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Is Vahidi dead? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: You Hewett went back in studio north way up in Maine,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm back because except the fetching missus Hewett for
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  Speaker 1: her birthday yesterday to Vermont. Now you might say that's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty nice birthday, brother, You have no idea. To
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  Speaker 1: get to Vermont from Maine is a lot harder than
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  Speaker 1: you might think. You basically have to drive down all
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  Speaker 1: the way to New Hampshire, turn right for twenty five
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  Speaker 1: minutes to an hour, and then turn right again and
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  Speaker 1: head up into Vermont. You embermin only had six hundred
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  Speaker 1: and thirty three thousand people, and so it's like Montana
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  Speaker 1: and North Dakota, the sten Rhode Island, these little states
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  Speaker 1: with two senators. That's fine. Framers intended it that way.
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  Speaker 1: They can have Bernie Sanders and whoever the other guy is.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Patrick Lahey anymore. But it's another lefty socialism.
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  Speaker 1: It's so progressive. They put the pee into progressive but
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  Speaker 1: lovely place, beautiful, fetching missus Hewett likes to go up
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  Speaker 1: and down hill and trail and mountain, and so that's
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  Speaker 1: what we did, and we did it in something of
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  Speaker 1: a light rain. But it was a great, great trip
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  Speaker 1: and a happy birthday to the fetching missus Hewett during
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  Speaker 1: that time, not in a kind of a news blackout,
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  Speaker 1: but I get back to whether it's wireless last night
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  Speaker 1: and I catch up on events, and the events in
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  Speaker 1: a nutshell are this. There was a peace treaty arranged
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  Speaker 1: by Donald Trump, a ceasefire between Hesbala and Israel that
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  Speaker 1: parallel the ceasefire between the United States and Israel and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: And the deal was Hesbelah don't hit Israel and Israel
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  Speaker 1: will not hit Beirut, which is where Hesbeala headquarters are.
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  Speaker 1: That was the deal. Yesterday, Hesbelah broke the deal and
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  Speaker 1: they fired into Israel, the northern part of Israel, the Galilee,
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  Speaker 1: and Israel responded by striking the Beirut neighborhoods where Hesbelah's
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  Speaker 1: headquarters are located. So Hesbelah broke the seasefire and Israel responded.
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  Speaker 1: Then Iran decided that, well, you know what, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get in on this and we're going to prove
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  Speaker 1: they want to link these two deals together because Hesbelah
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  Speaker 1: is just their cat's paw and they want to save Hesbelah,
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  Speaker 1: which is on the ropes. So they said, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to link these two and we're going to strike Israel.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good idea. So Iran fired off at least
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  Speaker 1: ten ballistic missiles at Iran. Now they didn't do any damage,
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  Speaker 1: didn't kill anyone, but a ballistic missile, ballistic missile, and
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  Speaker 1: Israel cannot accept that. Now, President Trump in k they
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  Speaker 1: had a conversation with bb Net and you own President Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what was said. We don't know what
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  Speaker 1: the President asked, or if it's good cop, bad cop,
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  Speaker 1: or if it's all a ruse or if it's all
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  Speaker 1: a plan. But after a bit of delay, Israel smashed
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  Speaker 1: up a few targets in Iran, including one ballistic missiles
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  Speaker 1: factory and a couple of sites in Tehran, about which
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  Speaker 1: at this hour there are many questions. There are questions
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not Israel eliminated General the hed Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a Steelers fan, you might think, I thought
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  Speaker 1: the Ayatola's gay Sun was running Iran. Now, how many
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  Speaker 1: two point zero? And that's what they had the cardboard
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  Speaker 1: cut out of the gay alley Ayatola. But not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people believe he's alive, and some people do
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  Speaker 1: and some people don't. I don't know. I don't have clearances,
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  Speaker 1: but a lot of people think Vahedi basically took everything over,
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  Speaker 1: and the iERG is front our EGC is running the
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  Speaker 1: country to the extent anyone is well. The hills are
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  Speaker 1: alive with the sound of music, and the web is
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  Speaker 1: alive with the sound of rumors that Vahedi has gone
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  Speaker 1: to meet his maker and it's cool to room temperature.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, and you don't know, but I'll keep
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  Speaker 1: you posted throughout the show. I doubt Senator Cotton will
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  Speaker 1: tell us he's coming up a little bit later. I
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  Speaker 1: doubt Admiral Montgomery knows. Senator Cotton may or may not know.
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  Speaker 1: He may not know, but he won't tell us unless
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  Speaker 1: it's been released. But we have our eye on breaking
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  Speaker 1: news and we'll bring it to you as it happens.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you as well. My friend Gallagher, with
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  Speaker 1: whom I'm going to do an event in Sarasota, I
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  Speaker 1: believe on July twenty first, he's going to be insufferable.
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  Speaker 1: He raids enough money to send a thousand kids to
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  Speaker 1: Angel Tree Camp, and I actually applaud Mike for that.
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  Speaker 1: He really he's passionate as I am about these children.
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  Speaker 1: His parents are incarcerated. But I went over and looked
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  Speaker 1: at my website, Hughewet dot com, and they still have
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  Speaker 1: the banner up. So if you haven't given yet, head
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  Speaker 1: over there and make a last ditch gift. Maybe I
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  Speaker 1: can catch Mike all right, he's probably taking the week
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  Speaker 1: off and is smoking a cigar somewhere, feeling pretty good
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  Speaker 1: about his effort. And good on him. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: great that he did that. But if you forgot to
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  Speaker 1: send a kid to camp, today is the day to
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  Speaker 1: do it. Hughewitt dot Com. Make a difference in the
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  Speaker 1: lives of prisoners children, and the banner is still there.
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  Speaker 1: You can still use it President Trump. Now, I inter
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  Speaker 1: view the President a lot, and I know how to
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  Speaker 1: do it. Christian Welkoers interviewed him three or four times,
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  Speaker 1: and she's not as good as it as she ought
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  Speaker 1: to be because she gets into fights with him and
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  Speaker 1: she purposely brings up stuff like the twenty twenty election,
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  Speaker 1: which is going to be doomed to be an endless loop.
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  Speaker 1: And the president got man, he left. Uh, here's the
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  Speaker 1: part where it all goes to hell. Cut number eleven.
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  Speaker 2: It was a dirty election. This is happening again right now.
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  Speaker 3: In.
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  Speaker 2: Happening right now in California. Right now, it's looking look
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  Speaker 2: at what's happened in California. That it's in California. It's
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  Speaker 2: how they're not the dick dropping fast because it's a
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  Speaker 2: rigged election. Let me tell you, it's four days and
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  Speaker 2: they aren't even close to coming up. They can't know
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  Speaker 2: why they're doing that, because they're cheating on the election.
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  Speaker 4: There's what do you have evidence?
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  Speaker 5: I have to do us looking well.
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  Speaker 4: Have to do us.
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  Speaker 2: I listened and I listen to people, and let's see
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  Speaker 2: what happened.
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  Speaker 4: So that's not evident. You think it's a program.
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  Speaker 6: It's how they they have the votes.
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  Speaker 4: You think it's.
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  Speaker 2: Appropriate that they have an election and five days later
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  Speaker 2: they're nowhere close to picket.
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  Speaker 7: A local officials acknowledge they are slow, they're urging.
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  Speaker 2: They're crooked, urging the votes to.
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  Speaker 4: Be counted cut.
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  Speaker 2: That's how they very crooked, just like your crooked. Your
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  Speaker 2: press is crooked, and Meet the press's crooked.
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  Speaker 6: To be fair, I'm not crooked.
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  Speaker 2: But really, well, you play right into their hands out
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  Speaker 2: you're either crooked or you're stupid. You play right into
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  Speaker 2: their hands with this grap You know that these elections
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  Speaker 2: are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. Do you
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  Speaker 2: know that I won an election in a landslide and
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  Speaker 2: I got ninety four percent?
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  Speaker 5: Bad press?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I got?
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  Speaker 2: It presented because you have no credibility, but you've never
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  Speaker 2: presented evidence it was rigged.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be talking about I want to talk about Tom.
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  Speaker 2: You have more evidence, there's more evidence than ever presented.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk your elections in this country. We're like a
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  Speaker 2: third world country, sir. Your elections are crooked, and your
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  Speaker 2: crooked and Meets the presses crooked is ABC and CBS
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  Speaker 2: and CNN one sided crook at network. So let's call
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  Speaker 2: it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling, have
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  Speaker 2: good that's the president.
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  Speaker 8: Let's please.
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  Speaker 7: I traveled all the way to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 4: I've got probing long.
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  Speaker 2: I know later an hour. So I'm on and off
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  Speaker 2: in the rain, and I've given you enough time. You
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  Speaker 2: want to straighten out your press because you know what,
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  Speaker 2: mister p country can never be great travel with you.
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  Speaker 8: Just listen, you travel all the way to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: For the you know, don't argue with this. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: to apply if I'm sitting down with President Obama or
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  Speaker 1: President Biden or President Clinton. It applied when I talked
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  Speaker 1: to Vet Clinton on this program. It applied when I
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  Speaker 1: talked to the secretary to carry on this program. Whenever
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  Speaker 1: I have a Democrat, I do not argue with their assertions.
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  Speaker 1: Their assertions can be checked later by people who are
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  Speaker 1: interested because Dwayne don't put up the transcript. Argumentative is
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  Speaker 1: an objection that is often accepted in court because argumentation
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  Speaker 1: is not actually seeking effect. Now you've got the President
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  Speaker 1: of the United States, one of the most important person
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  Speaker 1: people in the world, if not the most important person
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  Speaker 1: in the world. And Kristen's a professional. She knows what
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  Speaker 1: she's doing. But she has producers, and their producers are
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  Speaker 1: in her ear. And it's almost reflexive for legacy press
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  Speaker 1: to tell the president that the election of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: wasn't rigged. President and I have reached an understanding. He
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  Speaker 1: knows I think it's not rigged, and he knows I know.
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  Speaker 1: He knows what I think. And he says, you and
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree, and we leave it at that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't need him to admit that I'm right. People know
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  Speaker 1: that he has his position. There's just no need to
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  Speaker 1: argue with the president. You could be talking about the embargo,
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  Speaker 1: how long will it go? What if ships are hit?
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  Speaker 1: Are you confident in the defenses that we have. What
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  Speaker 1: about the shipbuilding plan that came out. It takes us
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  Speaker 1: down to nine carriers? Are you happy with that. There's
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  Speaker 1: so many important questions that talking about the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: election is not on my list. It's just not on
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  Speaker 1: my list. And when you've got the president of the
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  Speaker 1: United States, I mean, you can have some fun. You
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  Speaker 1: can ask him where you eat it again? He did McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: I did that. It's okay to have fun, to loosen
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  Speaker 1: up the guests and have some fun, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: the president of the United States. But really, to go
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  Speaker 1: back into the minefield of twenty twenty, it's just not
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  Speaker 1: a good call. Stay tuned, America. I'll be right back
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  Speaker 1: on the you do a show.
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  Speaker 9: No when I'm off with you. Whenorld it's cool, I
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  Speaker 9: will feel.
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  Speaker 1: Just thinking Welcome back America. That's my wife's favorite song.
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  Speaker 1: It was her birthday afterday. It's my tradition and to
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  Speaker 1: always play various variations of that. Charles C. W. Cook,
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  Speaker 1: senior editor podcaster at National Review, on the Editors in
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  Speaker 1: his own podcast, Charles c. W. Cook Does your wife
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  Speaker 1: have a favorite song?
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  Speaker 10: Charles, Yes, but I think it's a country song. It's
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  Speaker 10: less elegant than your wife's favorite song.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was That's about every woman of our
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  Speaker 1: age favorite song, right there, Charles. How long have you
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  Speaker 1: been an American citizen?
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  Speaker 10: I have been in America for fifteen years and a
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  Speaker 10: citizen four eight.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so you're still British enough in my book
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  Speaker 1: to please explain Henry Noak to me, and if it
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  Speaker 1: actually signifies it's a tragedy and it's terrible, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of press, but I have difficulty distinguishing big
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  Speaker 1: stories in the UK from stories that make you know
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  Speaker 1: the Daily Mirror, is it a big story and what's
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  Speaker 1: it signified?
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  Speaker 10: Big story. I think it signifies something. I think it
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  Speaker 10: would be a mistake to assume that it is indicative.
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  Speaker 10: I think what it signifies is the same thing probably
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  Speaker 10: Americans would recognize here and in a lot of Western Europe,
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  Speaker 10: which is that there is an oversensitivity to certain claims,
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  Speaker 10: and certainly to immigrants, and that this can lead to
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  Speaker 10: mistakes in the field. I don't think it means that
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  Speaker 10: Britain is lost, or that the police in Britain are
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  Speaker 10: uniformly anti white, or any of that. But I do
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  Speaker 10: think that it's the sort of story that ought to
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  Speaker 10: make the police recognize that they shouldn't just take claims
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  Speaker 10: at face value, and that there are problems that they've imported.
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  Speaker 1: So in the local elections of a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: Labor got hammered. Is that the kind of destructive defeat
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  Speaker 1: that cripples them three years from project out that far? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I think it is.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think it's because of this structurally,
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  Speaker 10: but I think it is going to foretell a collapse
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  Speaker 10: of the British Labor Party for a while now. Perhaps
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  Speaker 10: we're going to enter a new era in Britain in
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  Speaker 10: which the Greens and Reform battle it out. Irrespective, Labor
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  Speaker 10: is going to be in the wilderness for a while.
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  Speaker 10: I may have said this on your show before, but
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  Speaker 10: the Labor Party won a very big election victory last
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  Speaker 10: time around, but it didn't win much of the vote.
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  Speaker 10: Now that's fine, it's not illegitimate. It's how the system works,
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  Speaker 10: and I wouldn't change it. But I think the Labor
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  Speaker 10: Party won something like thirty six percent of the vote,
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  Speaker 10: but they won four hundred plus of the six hundred
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  Speaker 10: and fifty seats in Parliament, so they'd started out of sorts.
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  Speaker 10: They started with a flattering position in the legislature and
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  Speaker 10: they've just made themselves incredibly unpopular. So yeah, Labour's going
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  Speaker 10: to get absolutely crushed. The question is what comes in afterwards,
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  Speaker 10: going to affix what ails Britain.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I mentioned Henry Noak first because the reaction to
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  Speaker 1: that from Kemy Badnock, who leads the Tories, and from
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  Speaker 1: Nile Varage, who lead Reform, have been competing with each
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  Speaker 1: other for the public attention. Have you followed that?
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  Speaker 10: I haven't followed them. I've certainly followed the backlash. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 10: this is a story that is going to resonate with
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  Speaker 10: people and their politicians. What I would like to see
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  Speaker 10: is an actual shift in British attitudes across the board.
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  Speaker 5: Again, we've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 10: What I worry about a little bit is that the
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  Speaker 10: parties are jostling with each other for power, but that
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  Speaker 10: the center of gravity in British politics hasn't moved or
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  Speaker 10: won't move, and that the electra hasn't moved. What you
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  Speaker 10: need is a shift in the center in Britain, and
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  Speaker 10: I'm just not sure it's there yet. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 10: to see them picking up on stories like this, But you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, Britain needs.
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  Speaker 10: That's the best way of putting it.
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  Speaker 5: But Britain needs a.
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  Speaker 10: Sort of come to Jesus moment on a whole bunch
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  Speaker 10: of different issues, on defense, on economics, on entrepreneurialism, on
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  Speaker 10: pushing out a lot of what you might call woe
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  Speaker 10: call political correctness from its institutions. And it's going to
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  Speaker 10: take more than just electing someone who sounds good. The
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  Speaker 10: public's going to really need to want it.
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  Speaker 1: And do you in your bones feel that that's possible
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  Speaker 1: or has this said on the British Empire.
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  Speaker 10: I feel it's possible, but I certainly don't feel as
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  Speaker 10: if it's guaranteed. I mean, Britain's been in bad places before.
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  Speaker 10: It's odd to think that. When I was a kid,
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  Speaker 10: my parents would tell me stories of the nineteen seventies
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  Speaker 10: which when they met and how dire everything looked, and
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  Speaker 10: they thought that the time maybe Britain was done. And
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  Speaker 10: then it was fixed by the Thatcher government and subsequently
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  Speaker 10: it wasn't re ruined by Tony Blair and others. And
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  Speaker 10: now I feel that they've gone back to that. So
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  Speaker 10: it's going to take the same sort of effort it took.
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  Speaker 10: That it's possible, but at the moment, I don't see
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  Speaker 10: too many signs of it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, now, let me switch over to the United
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  Speaker 1: States and Israel in their war with Iran. Over the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I've rehearched for the audience. Has Bilas struck Israel, Israel
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  Speaker 1: struck route Iran struck Israel? Israel struck Iran. The Internet
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  Speaker 1: is full of rumors that Bahiti is dead and that
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  Speaker 1: were we what do you understand the situation to be?
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  Speaker 5: Charles in general?
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  Speaker 10: As you may now, I've become a little bit skeptical
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  Speaker 10: of this because I feel as if we're in an
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  Speaker 10: almost permanent, not stalemate because we have the power, but
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  Speaker 10: middle ground where we're not willing to in part because
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  Speaker 10: the American public seems unwilling to push through and complete
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  Speaker 10: these missions, whether that's completely taking out the regime or
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  Speaker 10: putting troops on the ground or what you will. But
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  Speaker 10: on the other hand, with the United States in their
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  Speaker 10: week and their hand really is only being able to
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  Speaker 10: close the strait of hormones, which is hurting Trump here.
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  Speaker 10: So I think Trump's getting frustrated. I think he's aware
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  Speaker 10: of the political position. He seems to be frustrated with Israel.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not sure if he actually is or whether that's
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  Speaker 10: for show, but I just don't see any movement at
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  Speaker 10: the moment on what seems to me like he's stuck
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  Speaker 10: in the middle with you kind of war.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we've got to come back and play with that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let me switch to grand Platner for our last two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think grand Platner will be a United States chedator?
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  Speaker 10: I actually don't, And I'm aware that I'm not always
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  Speaker 10: good with predictions, and I'm also usually more pessimistic as
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  Speaker 10: a conservative.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he will.
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  Speaker 10: I think we were in the primary. I don't think
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  Speaker 10: that New York Times piece was enough to kick him out.
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  Speaker 10: I have a suspicion that Maine, which is a state
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  Speaker 10: that has more older voters in it than Florida, is
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  Speaker 10: at this point not going to vote for him, And
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  Speaker 10: I think that's probably more to come beyond what we know.
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  Speaker 10: And I think it may go back, especially with their
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  Speaker 10: voting system, to Susan Collins one more time, but it's
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  Speaker 10: far too close for comfort. And the fact that this
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  Speaker 10: guy is where he is, and the fact that so
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  Speaker 10: many people of having been so mawkish in their condemnations
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  Speaker 10: of everyone on the other side, the fact so many
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  Speaker 10: people on the left have lined up behind him in.
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  Speaker 5: The way that they have is depressing. Well.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I drove back from Vermont Dam in mid coast Maine.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Halfway up the state, I saw Janet Mills signs for
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the first time. And you're right, Maine is the oldest
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: state demographically. I just don't think that his style plays
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: with anyone over the age of forty. I think you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: put your finger on it. Last word to you, well,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I hope you're right.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: I think it's a disgrace to him to be in
• 19:04
  Speaker 10: the US Senate and want to replace Susan Collins or
• 19:07
  Speaker 10: most moderate member bizare that disaster.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Charles C. W. Cook following at Charles C. W. Cook
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: listen to his podcast Stewitt's Birthday, which we celebrated yesday
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in Vermont, of all places. I'm joined now by United
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: States Senator Tom Cotton, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: leader of the Republican Conference, number three in the Republican
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Leadership Structure. Senator Cotton, I want to begin by asking you.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I am following the Bahiti rumors throughout the afternoon and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: beginning this morning, and you can tell us definitive. I'm
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: sure you've seen them, but do we know anything one
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: way or the other.
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: First off, you let me congratulate I fetch you missus
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: Hewitt on her birthday and say that you going to
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: the Socialist Republic of Vermont to celebrate her birthday is
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: about like Bernie going to the actual Soviet Union honeymoon.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: There were hippies up there. I wanted to see hippies
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: in the wild. They were there.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: So anyway, happy workdays to her.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: No, I don't have any I don't have anything that
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: I can share in that obviously bad guy and wouldn't
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: lose any sleep if our friends in Israel had succeeded
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: in removing another terrorist leader from the battlefield.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: All right. Second question goes to an interview that Scott
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Pelley gave yesterday to The New York Times about his
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: departure actually is firing from CBS, in which he refers
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to Barry Weiss, who he's never heard of. Here's the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: cut number twenty five. I was not.
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: Familiar with her name, so I did some research and
• 20:50
  Speaker 11: discovered those things that you just outlined. She was going
• 20:55
  Speaker 11: to be the new editor in chief at CBS.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: That's all I needed, Santa Cotton, When did you meet
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Barry Wise and what were the circumstances of the controversy
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: surrounding you and she and the New York Times.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: Barry was an editor, I believe, at the opinion page
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: in the summer of twenty twenty when New York Times
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: solicited on their own accord and published my op ed
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: entitled send into Troops as Hugh. As you know, as
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: an author, you don't choose your own op ed dles,
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: the editors.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Choose it for you.
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: And my outbed didn't even actually call for sending into
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: troops if you remember, it just called to be ready
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: to send to me of it's necessary to restore order.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: Of course, that caused a total meltdown inside New York
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: Times newsroom and editorial room, led to the resignation of
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: Barry and her starting of the Free Press and ultimately
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: taking over CBS. I have to say I have received
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: from more than one friends the meme that shows little
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Domino up to the giant Domino, which is Tom Cotton
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: saying writing is bad and the big Domino being very
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: Barry wife runs CBS.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: It's true, it is a sequence. Now in that sequence,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Scott Pelley is unaware. He doesn't know about the little Domino,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the middle Domino, or the end of the big He
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: knows that she's the boss. What do you make of
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: a sixty Minutes anchor not knowing who Barry Weiss is?
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: My only observation about Scott Pelly and Frankfully all the
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: interviews that have been done by these sixty Minutes employees
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: who have departed since Barry took over, is that they
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: seem very entitled. They act kind of like bureaucrats that
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: Aid used to act, or a so called independent agencies
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: used to act. I think they are independent and autonomous
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: from any potential oversight in the case of those bureaucracies,
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: obviously from the President, and from the Congress, the people's
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: elected representatives, or in the case of Sixty Minutes, from
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: the bosses. Most people in this world have a boss,
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: and they don't like the boss. They don't have to
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: want to spend time socialize.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: At the boss.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: But the boss has to tell you what to do
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: and how to do it to do your job. And
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: with Barry White's coming in and enhancing editorial standards and
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: making sure, for instance, that you know producers are doing
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: something crazy and wild and wacky, like getting a quote
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: from the Trump administration when they're otherwise running kit pieces
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: against the Trump administration, I think it's it's kind of
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: silly to hear the sensible entitlement of these people who've
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: left sixty minutes.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Well, if I were, if you were to tell me,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with an analogy to you
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: being unaware of something, and it might be like you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: were unaware that Mike Lee was a big sponsor of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the Save Act. If you were to say, well, I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: didn't know that Mike Lee was a save act. That's
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like Scott Pelly saying you never heard of Barry Wise.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: It just defies belief, doesn't it.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: Well, so, so she was the boss, you would think
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: that he might wanted to take notice.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Of it, and perhaps he might still have a job.
• 23:50
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: Look, I understand, especially in a very old institution like
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: sixty minutes, you have a lot of people that have
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: strong opinions and you want to have their opinions her,
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: and there's ways to do that in a cordial and
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: professional manner. But it sounds like mister Kelly didn't take
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: that approach. And obviously no one has a right to
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: treat their.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Boss in that fashion and keep your heal.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: Anyway, if if you want to, if you want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: future boss in that passion and understand you might lose
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: your job and your inbot has a.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Right to do that.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's America. You can get fired. Reconciliation
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: went pretty well, It went better than I thought. You're
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: in leadership, are you impressed with how the conference held together?
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: I employees that we held together and finally passed the
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: bill to overcome unprecedented democratic obstruction. Remember, Hugh, this all
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: goes back to the Democrats defund the police agenda, this
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: time is defunding our immigration police, the Border Patrol, and ICE.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: We offered even to compromise through the normal budgetary processes,
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: for instance, But what did they insist upon, like totally
• 24:48
  Speaker 8: unacceptable conditions like ICE officers could never wear masks.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Well, do you know why they wear masks?
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: Because far left zelots want to use facial recognition technology
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: and AI to identify these officers, to docks them and
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: then to terrorise their wives and kids at home. Obviously,
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: we would never do agree to that. So what does
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: Chuck Schumer and the Democratic Party have to show for themselves.
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: Not only did we fund NICE at the end of
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: this year, which is all we were debating earlier this year,
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: we funded them now through the end of the Trump administration.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: So I'm pleased that we finally put that behind us,
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: and that the brave men and women who are out
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: there enforcing our immigration laws and securing our border don't
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: have to worry about democratic extremism for nearly three years.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: All right, Two more question, Senator. The shipbuilding plan came out.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: It's been revised again. Apparently we're going to drop to
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: nine aircraft carriers. Were you surprised by the shipbuilding plan
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: you're on Armed Services? I was, Hugh.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: I'm still waiting to get the full briefing on it
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: and the explanation of the logic. I'm always open minded
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: what the Department proposes in this administration, but obviously our
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: aircraft carriers are a key strategic advantage for us, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: a reserve judgment until we hear the full explanation for this,
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: which I expect that we will say all right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Then finally, a grand Platner quote from his rally this weekend,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: cut number fourteen.
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: If the Senate chose to it could impose the same
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: ethic standards on the Supreme Court that we have for
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: every other federal judge. And if we did that, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: think there's a compelling case for the impeachment in removal
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: of that least two of them.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Now, he didn't go to Harvard Law, he didn't go
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to Michigan law. But he is running for the Senate.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with his statements? Cotton?
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Well, but you know where he did go.
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: He did go to Hotchkiss, one of the most expensive
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: and fanciest private schools in America, into another expensive fancy
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: private school in Maine. Graham Platner is a total fraud.
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: He's out there with his beard and his Carhart jacket,
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: portraying himself as some tribune of the working man, when
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: in reality, his rich Ivy League education and dad paid
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: for him to go to those schools and bought his
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: house for him, and his mother's upscale boutique restaurant is
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: the only real customer he has for his fake oyster form.
• 27:11
  Speaker 8: Everything about Graham Plattner is a fake, except for his
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: Nazi tattoo and his anti Semitism and his boarding around
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: on child exploitation apps. Apparently his understanding about the separation
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: of power is his fake as well, as you point out,
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: oh my.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Gosh, you can't do that to the Supreme Court. I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it's just like one oh one center. Tom Cotton will
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: have more Graham Platiner every week if he wins the
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: nomination over Janet Mills. But I saw some Mill signs
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: today that I haven't seen since I got up to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: mid coast Maine. So maybe people are having second thoughts
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: about Graham Plattner. Senter Cotton, thank you don't go anywhere America.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Me're right back on the UITs you, Hewett, please to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: welcome an old friend, James Phillips. James and I taught
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: at Chapman University a while back. He's on the move
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: between law schools right now, but he is still working.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: And next Thursday, I think it's next Thursday, the Supreme
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Court going to have a conference. Maybe it's next Friday,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: at which James has a petition for rid of Cercherai,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and I really want the Court to grant this. James, welcome,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: How are you and where do we find you today?
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: I'm great.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: I'm coming to you, Hugh from Florida.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: So all right, here to talk to in Florida. Tell
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: us a little bit about international parents for Ethical Care
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: versus Robert Ferguson, the governor of Washington State. When I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: read your brief, I just couldn't believe. I think I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: sent you a note Washington stated, nuts.
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: Well, what Washington decided to do was a men's one
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: of its laws a couple of years ago. And so
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: if a child runs away from home and shows up
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: at a youth homeless shelter and says that they want
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: or are receiving gender firming care or treatment, then this
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: triggers a whole series of things where notification to the
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: parents that they have that state has the child is delayed,
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: renification is delayed, and the child is they're referred for
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: gender affirming treatment without parental consent or really knowledge. And
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: so we challenged this and the lower courts, the district
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: court in Washington, and then the Ninth Circuit decided the
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: parents didn't have standing, that that legal doctrine of not
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: having enough.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Dog in the fight.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: And the parents that we were representing in the case
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: are four sets of the parents have gender confused kids,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: including one who's run away before.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: But that wasn't enough. The parents also are kind.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Of chilling their speech and altering their parental behavior to
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: avoid kind of triggering a kid from running away and
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: using this law.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: But again the.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Ninth Circuit said, that's not enough, you know, you know, outstanding,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: And so that's what we're trying to get the Supreme
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: Court to take.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: For the benefit of the Steelers fans and layman. Standing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: means that you've been injured in an or about to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: be injured in an imminent st of way and an
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: actual real injury. So if you're the parent of a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: child who's run away and the state isn't telling you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's an injury, James Phillips does did the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: State of Washington dispute that or did they argue these
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: parents don't have a runaway right now, because then it
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: could be a wrong capable of repetition yet evading review.
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: Right, you're right, and these parents don't have a child
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: that's run away right now, and so the state says, well,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: you know, you're going to have to wait for that
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: to happen. But of course the whole design of the
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: law is to keep this information from parents. We saw
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: some similar conversations about this in the Muhammed case that
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: the Supreme Court recently decided, where they said, how can
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: we trust that a child's going to tell his parents
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: that they're reading these books in class? Because we just
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: can't rely on that. So it's same kind of the
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: same thing here. You know, kids aren't going to tell
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: their parents I'm running away to homeless shelter because you
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: won't affirm me, and so the parents won't know until
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: it's too late.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So when you were at before the ninth did you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: get on bank or was it simply a three judge panel.
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: We sought on bank review after the three judge panel
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: ruled against US and on bank reviews denied. But we
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: did get some really nice dissents, one from Judge Tongue
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: joined by Judge Boomatay and Judge Van Dyke, and another
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: by Judge Van Dyke joined by Judge Boomatay, So they
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: had some very helpful language, and so.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That helps a petition for search. Sometimes has this case
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: arisen anywhere else in the circuits that held a different way.
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Well, we've seen a circuit saying that parents don't have
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: standing in this context where they're trying to challenge policies
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: or regulations that are going to, you know, interfere with
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: their ability to direct their child as far as you
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: know gender and sex where there might be this happens
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: at the school district a lot right where the kids
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: are being social transition without parental knowledge or approval. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: this is got up in the Supreme Court a few times,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: and Justice Alito, joined by Justices Gorsich and Thomas have
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: said this is a present a question of great and
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: growing national importance, and the fact that governments are doing
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: this is tragic and troubling, and lower courts are kind
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: of shirking their duty here by trying to avoid contentious
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: constitutional issues by finding no standing in these situations. But
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: we haven't seen anything quite like Washington. Washington's i guess,
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: trying to be a first in the nation here on
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: these runaway laws.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: But we do see this a similar.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: Thing that's been happening around the country, often in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: school district content.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Jane Phillips give the listeners just a thumbnail on printal rights.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: They're over one hundred years old. They're one of the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: first fundamental rights recognized by the Supreme Court that's not
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: explicitly in the Constitution, the right of a parent to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: oversee the education and raising of their child. How deep
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: in the law is this fundamental right?
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Well, I mean this right really goes back to blacks
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: Stone in England. Right, this has been with This is
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: part of our country's history and tradition, and the Supreme
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: Court finally recognized that a little over a century ago.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: And so this is kind of paramount to the law
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: has protected us for a long time. But we now
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: see a lot of things that are intention with that
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: where the government, whether the state level or the school level,
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: thinks they know better than parents on some of these
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: issues and so we're seeing a lot of conflict around
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: the nation on primal rights.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Now, if you got cirt, it would just be on
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the question of standing, right, they wouldn't get to the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: merits at this point.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: That's correct. We never got to the merits below. It
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: was dismissed on standing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: And so this kind of this is to me the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: kind of case this Court likes getting the rules laid down.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Is that why you're an optimist about this, because this
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is a standing case and you've got some sticklers for
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: standing on the court.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: I am optimistic.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, we had the three justices who are worried
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: about this, led by Justice Alito and Justice Kavanaugh was
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: also a fourth justice who would have vote a granted
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: search in one of these cases. But also we have
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Justice Thomas and Justice Corsich. Again, this is just standing,
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: so they don't have to get into the merits of
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: the promo rights issues. They can just decide the standing
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: issue and send it back down to figure out the merits.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: There are some circuit splits that we've identified, and of
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: course the Supreme Court likes to try to figure out
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: you know, when courts are divided, you know who's right,
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: So they can have kind of uniform operation of law
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: around the country, and it's a really.
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Clean what the court calls a clean vehicle. It's not messy.
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: All we've got is a complaint by the petitioners are
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: the plaintiffs, and then the laws. They don't have to
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: really get into a deep factual record to decide this case,
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: so you know, we're optimistic that the court will will
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: take it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Last question, James Phillips in International Partners for Ethical Care
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the Robert Ferguson, Governor of Washington. How many Ron has
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Washington State basically kidnapped? Now, I'm going to say kidnap
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: because they're denying those children their parents' right to have
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: life and exercise over them. Do you have a number
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of children in the program.
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: We don't, and in part because parents don't always know
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: that this is happening.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Well, good luck to you at the conference next week.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I hope we will keep our eye open. But when
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the conference results come back, James Phillips always a pleasure.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Kasha Miths the news over the weekend, has the law
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: struck Israel in Israel? Israel struck Hasbaa in Beirut, Iran
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: struck Israel in the north of Israel, and Israel struck
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Iran in a number of places. There are not yet
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: confirmed reports that mister Bahiti is no longer with us,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: the head of the IRGC, maybe even hot Tammie two
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: point zero. We don't know. But to talk about where
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: we are, we're Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired the United States
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Navy is back. Admiral, good to see you again. Why
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: as you make it the events of the weekend? First,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: where do you think we are?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: So?
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: First, I want to credit the President. He has kept
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: the conflict in the Arabian golf area.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: The Persian golf area. He's kept the lid on it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: What he's allowed is when we're attacked either a merchant
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: vessel that we are providing cover for, or if a
• 36:19
  Speaker 12: US Navy ship or a ground target in one of
• 36:22
  Speaker 12: our era partners, we then do a proportionate strike against
• 36:27
  Speaker 12: a similar type of facility, radar facilities on carg and
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: other islands, launch points, things like that. So proportionate responses
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: even after several rounds. And the normal US policy is
• 36:38
  Speaker 12: what proportionate response? You once, maybe twice, but you do
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: it again, you get the stick. And he has said, nope,
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: keep a lid on it. But what happened with Israel
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: is that Hesbela kept raising the stakes. You know, there
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: was a back and forth within south of the Latani,
• 36:55
  Speaker 12: but then Hesbels struck an Israeli town, Israel struck a route,
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: Iran struck an israel military airfield. Israel struck Iran with
• 37:08
  Speaker 12: the results you meant potentially mentioned, and then Iran just
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: fired back. And I think Israel said, look, your two
• 37:13
  Speaker 12: strikes did nothing. Our strikes did some serious economic and
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: potentially political leadership damage.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: We're done.
• 37:20
  Speaker 12: And so the beauty that is then Yahoo put a
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: lid on it now later than the president wanted, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: he got a lid back on it. So the President
• 37:28
  Speaker 12: is trying to keep the lid on these two parallel
• 37:31
  Speaker 12: conflicts so that he can negotiate a deal for the
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: straight Ohr moves.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So, Admiral, we won't know for another day or so
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: extent of the battle damage assessment from the Israeli strikes.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: But I also see that they took out an attempt,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: or allegedly took out an attempt to reconstitute air defense.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: The Ranians aren't very good at air defense, are they?
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: No? And what's happened is when we say we took
• 37:56
  Speaker 12: down an air defense system like an say three hundred,
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: we might have taken down the launch, we might have
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: taken down the radar, we might have taken down the
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: camandic control system. So if we do that to like
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: four different systems, you know, they're out there like putting
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: the lego blocks back together, and they get one from here,
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: one from there, and they reassemble. And the problem is
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: they're reassembling this under the persistent stare of the United
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: States ISR Intelligence MES Realconnaissance shared with Israelis. And so
• 38:20
  Speaker 12: I think the rule is if someone's going to go downtown,
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: let's start by taking this out. And so whoever was
• 38:27
  Speaker 12: going to strike for US in Iran, it's obvious the
• 38:29
  Speaker 12: first set of strikes, long range precision strikes is the
• 38:32
  Speaker 12: one one proper use of long range precision minisues at
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: this point is to strike a reconstituted air defense system.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what happened.
• 38:41
  Speaker 12: Now.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Addmil you have been a fan for many weeks now
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and months on this program. Operation Freedom started again escorted
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: our people through. President hasn't done that yet. He's counting
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: on the blockade throttling the regime to what extent will
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that work? Because this regime we'll boot the ninety two
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: million Iranians for the quarter million i ERGC members, won't it?
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: It will, So I'm glad to brought that up.
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: So I'm a big fan of the blockade and trying
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: to relieve the pressure of the Iranian uh, you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: blockading efforts by Operation Freedom right by bringing merchant ships
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: mostly large oil tankers through a southern route. But the
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: key the way to pressure, but that doing the one
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: through the southern route to get ships out that we
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: favor relieves pressure on our allies and partners.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: We're not directly directly.
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: Impacted and kind of like a you know, recession depression
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: kind of way from this kind of the the irgcy
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: blockade of the straight h hor moves, but we do
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: get knocked on effects from our from our trading partners
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: being negatively impacted.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: So we do want to relieve that pressure.
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: But the real key here is our blockade, but it's
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: got to be reinforced by probably the UAE and other
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: countries where IRGC assets are held being seized. The IRGC
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: is a is a mafia like organization.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: It runs.
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: It's greased by money, and that money is held by
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: rich IRGC accounts in the UAE and other countries, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: those need to be rolled up so that you get
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: increasing pressure in the ERGC and they can't pay off
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: their closest acolytes to keep the loyalty.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: So oil at this hour is a little bit over
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: ninety one dollars a barrel, nowhere near what it was
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: during the buiding inflation, and nowhere near where I thought
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it would be months into this conflict with they're on.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And I learned yesterday listening to a podcast by some
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: smart guys on oil that Saudi Arabia is now getting
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: about three quarters of what they ordinarily would pump through
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: horror moves out via the back door, and that UAE
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: get about half of what they would pump out through
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the back door and pipeline and other countries are stepping up.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Did the Iranians not understand how the market works, which is,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: if you need something, the market will find a way
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: to get it for you.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: So two things.
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: One, I'll really be impressed when the LG pipeline, which
• 41:16
  Speaker 12: I believe the Saudis are going to start building, also
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: starts going east to west across their country.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: That's when it's over. That's when the Straits of Horror
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: moves no longer matters.
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: When you have an LERG pipeline to get Saudi, another Gulf,
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: another emirate LNG out, the oil is already there. As
• 41:31
  Speaker 12: you mentioned the increase in both the UAE and the
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: Saudi pipelines, the UA pipeline down through Oman. Look, can
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: these be struck by Iran, Yes, but that's a different
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: thing than blocking flow. Striking another country is different than
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: blocking flow. So when people say, oh, the pipelines are vulnerable, yep,
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: Courts are vulnerable, fields are vulnerable. You know, airfields are vulnerable.
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: Those are acts of war. That's number one and number two.
• 41:57
  Speaker 12: You're going to now see the huties wake up. They're
• 42:01
  Speaker 12: being shooken by the Iranians right now. The UTIs were
• 42:04
  Speaker 12: put into a bit of a coma by Israeli and
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: US strikes in the fall of twenty twenty five.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Look, they took big damage.
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: Then the next bad thing that happened was their number
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: one sponsor, both in terms of cash but also material
• 42:18
  Speaker 12: to build ballistic missiles and drone sets. Iran was disabused
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: of that ability you know, the UTIs are now having
• 42:26
  Speaker 12: a struggle to bring it back together. They fired a
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: weapon into Israel. They're threatening quote Israeli ships in the
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: Red Sea. We're not sure what that means. There's not
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: a lot of those transitting to the Babeo Mendeb. But
• 42:37
  Speaker 12: when they start to threaten other ships that I think
• 42:39
  Speaker 12: we're going to be back into the striking the UTIs
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: game again with the Israelis.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So how long do you see this going on? And
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: by this I mean Iran failing to concede that they
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: are a third rate power, not a second rate power,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and certainly not a superpower.
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: Well, I think, honestly, if we if this is a
• 43:03
  Speaker 12: tough one for the president, it'll take a lot of
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: discipline to really get the great result. The great result
• 43:08
  Speaker 12: is they buckle right, and that comes from extending the blockade.
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: You know, weeks or if not a couple months more.
• 43:17
  Speaker 12: And I think that's probably too long for him politically,
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: the president. So the question is how hard he's been
• 43:23
  Speaker 12: a good dealer with him, He has not caved. There's
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: so many points for you to have normally see an
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: American go, you know, we're the bigger country, will cave
• 43:29
  Speaker 12: on that. No, no, no, this is a forty seven
• 43:31
  Speaker 12: year adversary. It's not time for us to say, you know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: we'll we'll be the bigger guy on this. We are
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: holding Iran accountable for forty seven years of terrorism culminating
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: and killing thirty two thousand people in thirty six hours.
• 43:45
  Speaker 12: To reminder, you're being friends when you say there's two
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: belligerents in this, there are not.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: There is an antagonist.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: Iran that killed thirty two thousand of its people in
• 43:54
  Speaker 12: thirty six hours. That caused the protagonist, President Trump to
• 43:58
  Speaker 12: take action. And that's what we're doing right now, ending
• 44:01
  Speaker 12: that regimes control.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: So how long do you think that they can keep
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: switching Let's assume for a moment and it's just an
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: assumption that Bedi is dead. How long can they keep
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: dropping down in the level of ir GC before they're
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: in the peering competence.
• 44:20
  Speaker 12: Well, what's interesting here is they were they were going
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: up right, you know, they were going to Sulimani's predecession.
• 44:26
  Speaker 12: I think you know as a uh, you know, Vahiti
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: had been a previous leader. Now they really are and
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: you know a couple of those next rungs of the
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: ladd are already missing.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're gonna have You're gonna.
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: Slide down some stairs before you hit, before you hit
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: the next platform with people on it. And I got
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: to tell you this is like, this is one of
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: those jobs that you know, you're like, you know, did
• 44:47
  Speaker 12: I mention I've got to check my colleges next month?
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: I mean, you know, there's a lot of reasons why
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: people not might not want this job.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: And uh, I mean it's a tough one to take.
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: If if the Israelis really did get him, what's that
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: say about Israeli and US intelligence and targeting?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Amazing?
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: It's not like he didn't know if he was a target.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: You just mentioned the word. I want to finish on targeting,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: there is in every branch of the military, especially targeteers.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Do you think we have a list of what we
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: hit next and the Israelis have a list of what
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: they hit next, and that whenever it's a one zier
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: or twosy, we know exactly what the priority is.
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: Yes, And I think that's what we spent the last
• 45:29
  Speaker 12: seven weeks since the Seaspire, the initial ceasepire, We've spent
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: this six weeks refining our lists. There were still a
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: few deliberate targets left after we'd done thirteen thousand, but
• 45:41
  Speaker 12: there's new dynamic targets, targets that evidence themselves during the
• 45:45
  Speaker 12: bobbing or afterwards when a guy called said, I.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: Can't believe they didn't get me, you know, and we're
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: going back after them.
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: We've got good lists that we don't lack for targeting lists.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Admiral Mark Montgomery, Thank you, Admiral paulham on xat Mark Montgomery,
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• 48:00
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  Speaker 1: not know that you are a yacht rock guy, and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of disappointed. Actually, I don't associate you with
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  Speaker 1: yacht rock and looking glass. That's my era, not your era.
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  Speaker 1: But how did you come up with that?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to take you one step further, Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, thanks for having me. And number two
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  Speaker 3: is that this summer's hottest trend.
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  Speaker 4: Is taking yacht rock and funking it.
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  Speaker 3: music for the summer.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what I referenced in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for helping this boomer out.
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  Speaker 5: Now let's move.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: By the way, I want to assure the audience, Choke
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Point is the equal of any brad Thor novel. It
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: might be the best. I have not finished it because
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  Speaker 1: I said, there's one hundred pages left out of a
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  Speaker 1: three out and thirty page book. If I read this
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to the end, I think I have a guess of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: where it's going. I don't want to give it away
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: on the air. I cannot be accused of giving it
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: away on the air because it grips would have got you.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But let's start with Operation Fortitude. Since you make reference
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to it. It is relevant to the new movie Pressure
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that is out. It's discussed and Pressure tell people about
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Operation Fortitude. So listen.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of the Chinese, and so I
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: think the Chinese, not necessarily the people themselves, but the CCP,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party, they are.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: All congenerally devious and.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I don't like a single thing that comes out of Beijing.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: So they loom large as the big bad in this book.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: And I took a page out of World War two history,
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: where we needed the Germans to.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Believe we were going to do the D.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Day landings two hundred miles away from where we actually landed,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: the beaches at Normandy, and so Operation Fortitude was an
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Allied deception campaign where they had inflatable tanks in southern England,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: planes made out of balsa wood, troop transports, all this
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff that to the Luftwaffa as they flew
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: overhead like this giant army was being massed in the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: very southern part of England. And then we put out
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: fake radio traffic. We had double agents putting misinformation out
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: there that we were going to the Allies. We're going
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: to cross at the narrowest point of the English Channel
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: and land at Pod de Calais, which is twenty five
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: miles across the channel. And even when the Normandy Utah
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: Beach all of the beaches were being stormed on d Day,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Hitler still hung back and held back some of his
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: forces because he believed that the larger attack was coming
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: at Pod dea Calais. So I update that and suggest
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: in the book that the Chinese are doing something similar
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: to us, where they focused the White House and the
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: National Security Council's attention on Taiwan while they make another
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: bold or more shocking move in the Indo Pacific.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Are you said it idea? I'm I'm not giving that away.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: You gave that away, but that is sort of a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to go that way
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: but I want people to understand that. As for Brad's
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: view of the Chinese Communist Party, I direct you to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: pay twenty seven. Knowing the Chinese, the odds are pretty
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: good that they would have co opted someone from the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: local diaspora, someone with family back in China who could
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: be threatened if they didn't cooperate. It was a tact
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: that Carved had watched for them, used for years. The
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Chinese community is party ruled by fear, with over a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: billion people subject to an autocratic system build on control.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Power is the only principle Human lives or currency in
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the exchange rate was brutal. The party whateveryone's necessary to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: stay in power, even employing the most abhorrent forms of
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: coercion extortion. Harveth despised them. So I guess you accurately
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: summed up what you also relate in choke Point. Brad.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a thriller, But I call what
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I do hugh faction, where you don't know where the
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: facts end and the fiction begins. And I believe that
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: those real life details are the bedrock of a good thriller.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: So the Chinese are notorious as the Russians are for
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: using cutouts and blackmailing people into different intelligence operations and
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: things like that, particularly using their own citizens or family
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: members of citizens who are in foreign countries. And they
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: basically say, you're gonna do this for us or back home.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: This is going to happen to your grandmother, your sister,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: your niece, your nephew. And it's really a terrible way
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: to operate. But you know, you've got that many people
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: in China. They don't care. They just don't care. They'll
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: do anything they can to stay in power in the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: move ahead. And that again, Moscow or Beijing, I don't
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: see a lot of daylight between the two of them.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: They're both evil, reprehensible. They are not our friends.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about faction now. I enjoy reading Brad Thor's
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: novels because I learned something every time, and Break at
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the Point in not any different. In Chunk Point, for example,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: there is nice Stands rule which I haven't looked up yet,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I haven't verified it, but which purports to dictate the
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: sequence of facial effects after death as rigor mortives sets in.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Is there, in fact the nice Stand's rule?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Yep, there certainly is, and uh that plays a role
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: in an operation that Harveth has to carry out, and
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: he is racing the clock. He's raising against Riga Mortis
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: with a body that he needs to have appear as
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: if it's still alive. So yes, that is all how
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: to reverse it.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: The trick to interviewing a thriller writer is to teach
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: people on stuff that's in the thriller without giving away
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the plot. Let me also ask if, in fact Kasai
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: sin means blessed chord a kind of Buddhist GPS? Is
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that am I pronouncing it correctly? Ksae sinai sin?
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I would, I would refer you to a native Thai
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: language speaker.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I am not going to walk that far out on.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: The branch and correct your pronunciation of a Thai word.
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: You.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's a that's a legit thing, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: that idea that those chords, basically the color in the
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: chord can tell you what monastery it was made at
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: it and it is kind of slang. It's referred to
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: as like a Buddhist GPS system.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: All right now, I think it's fabulous the way this
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: sets up. Let's go back to the beginning chapter one.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Scott Harvath is on it Vayat Island in Botanese Province,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: northernmost Philippines, ninety miles from Taiwan. A costs something called
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the Baishi Channel. I am amazed that at my age,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: after as much national security and fiction reading I've done
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: in my life and thrillery, I have never heard of
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: it Bayotte Island, Batan's Province, or the fact that there's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: something called the Bashi Channel. I just did not know
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: any of this. Scott does do many.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: People, you know what, We do military exercises with our
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Philippine counterparts there. So it is one of the places
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: that China's paranoid about that if they ever made a
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: move on Taiwan, that we would be putting in patriot
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: missile batteries other things there.
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: In fact, we have put.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Some military assets like missile batteries into the Philippines that
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: can strike mainland China from those islands in particular, and
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: that's the northernmost point in the Philippines closest to Taiwan,
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: and it is an area where the Chinese have tried
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: to exert a certain amount of let's say control, to
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: co op people to spy for them, and things like.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: That because They are very worried about the US.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: And the Philippine military, the Philipino military working together on
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: that island to counteract any any attempt to move on Taiwan.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: One thing that I didn't put in the book here
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: that's interesting, particularly about that, is that Taiwan is a
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: very difficult island to invade. There's only a handful of
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: spots where you can get landing craft up to Taiwan
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: and actually put troops in armaments and things like that
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: ashore and so any place where those ships can be
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: struck on their way into Taiwan is very much a
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: war issue for the pla for the Chinese.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Brad Thor's new novel is Choke Point. He's here for
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a couple more segments. Don't go anywhere. I'll give you
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a few more teasers. It's fabulous. Summer's here. Brad Thor's
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: novels out ordered at Amazon. I don't know if it's
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: dropped yet. If you can free order it Amazon. Choke
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Point by Brad Thor, Stay tuned on this Monday edition
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: of the Uhwit Show Welcome Back America Again. Brad Thor
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: is responsible for the bump music because Chris Crosses Christopher
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Cross is in this book Choke Point, and I'll let
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you go and figure out why he is. Brad, I've
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: been keeping people posted. There's no update, by the way,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: about whether or not General Vhedy is dead. There are
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: rumors all over the internet that the Israeli has wiped
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: him out last night. What do you think got any guesses?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: You know what, I'll tell you, I'm going to need
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: more than just internet speculation in rumors.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: You know, we still haven't seen the new Supreme leader
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: in Iran. We don't know if he's alive, he's dead.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: I'm a very much show me state kind of guy
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: at this point in my career, in in my life,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I want to see the toe tag. I
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: want to see the guy at room temperature. You know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: when we do these operations, we normally come up with
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: different ways to prove it to the media on our end,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: so I know that's possible. Sometimes it's hard. In these strikes,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: there's nothing that's recoverable. I think we got a finger
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: with a ring on it when we went after the
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: head of the IRGC Solamani. We had his ring in
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: his finger when we smoked him. So I'm kind of
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: cautiously optimistic. My hope is yes, but I'm gonna wait.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not popping any champagne just yet.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Well that's I've been saying through the whole show, and
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: people probably have to wait until the Israelis make an
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: official announcement, if there is one. All right, now back
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: to book and technique in choke point gate analysis GAI
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: T not gate Gate analysis? Is it real and dependable?
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: It is very real, very dependable, And essentially what gate
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: analysis is is it's a software program that the way
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: you walk is as unique as your fingerprint. You can
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: fake a limp for a while, but eventually, unless you
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: put a stone in your.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Shoe, you are going to screw up the limp.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: You cannot force your brain to keep a limp as
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: you walk going unless that's all you focus on, and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: it's practically impossible. So to defeat gate analysis, you have
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: to put a stone in your shoe. And in fact,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: the Gate analysis thing, there was a bunch of hubbub
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: above about it when we were looking for the pipe
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: bomber from January fifth into January sixth, who put pipe
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: bombs outside the DNC and I think the RNC headquarters,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: right before January sixth, and so gate analysis was something
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: that was being used trying to identify this person.
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: So it's a very real world technique.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, gate analysis a technique used on page seventy six
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: of Choke Point. On page one sixty of Choke Point,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: facial comparison is used between a picture in which there's
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: some covering of the phase and an all DoD portrait
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and you come up with eighty eight percent facial similarity.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Do we have such programs?
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: We do have them, and they're actually getting better and
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: better all the time. And what there's actually a very
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: interesting sunglasses company that's found a way to disrupt facial technology.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: We used to think that.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: You could wear if people didn't want to have facial
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: facial recognition technology to be successful. Let's say it's somebody
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: at a protest. They would wear kind of like a gator,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: that thing that you pull up to your nose, and
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: then they would just wear sunglasses. But we found out
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: that the facial recognition software can penetrate through the sunglasses.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: It can actually pick up your eyes and your nose.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: So now there's a new set of sunglasses that a
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: couple of spies have been working on that take away
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the ability for the facial recognition software to be successful.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: You still want to cover the bottom part of your face,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: but these new sunglasses are helping to interrupt that. But
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: you've got to be willing to walk around like that,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: which and you know you immediately draw attention to yourself
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: if you're all mocked up with funky sunglasses and things.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: It's it's one of the hardest things for spies to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: do these days is to avoid biometrics and facial recognition technology.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Very very different passport.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Tell me whether or not the gremlin exists. The gremlin
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: is a piece of high tech technology used to defeat
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: basically ring cameras. Does such a thing exist? So did
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: you make that up for plot purposes?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: So I made up something last year called a goblin,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: which is like a.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: Little mini emp thing.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: This is called this I'm linn actually interferes with Wi
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Fi cameras. So the technology exists. But my way, the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: name I gave it is.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Mining that I came up with. But that technology does exist.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, have you figured out what the discombobulator is yet?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Brad Thor that was using.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: I can't remember if we were talking about the stingray
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: last time where it spoofs cell phone towers. But no,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: but the actual name the Discombobulator. That's a heck of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: a mouthful. I have not run that to ground for
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: you yet.
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  Speaker 1: You all right? When we come back, we'll talk a
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: little bit more about the specifics of the plot, which
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: occurred primarily in Thailand and DC. I've been to Thailand
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: for about three days. There's a little bit of Cambodia
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: in here. I've been to Cambodia for two days. So
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: this is not really my terrain, but Brad Thor makes
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it very alive, very real. Lots of Americans are going
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: to want to read Choke Point for a lot of reasons.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it when we come back, and that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: waits my trip tech music drawn from bradthor brand new
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  Speaker 1: doing this pre publication?
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  Speaker 3: We're doing a pre publication. It drops a week from tomorrow.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: It drops on Tuesday, June sixteenth, just in time for
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Father's Day.
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  Speaker 1: So people can pre order right now, get it sent
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  Speaker 1: to your house, give it to dad or Grandpa, they
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  Speaker 1: will love it is the Royal Bangkok Sports Club reel.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, that actually is very real, Yes.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: It is right now. I want to give you a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: compliment on the nicknames of KitKat and motion Light. That's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: a CIA Operatives nickname for two of the CIA technicians.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: The first is always on break KitKat and the ladder
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: only works when someone walks by motion Like. I love that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's very funny. Where'd you come up with
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: that stuff?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Kit Kat and mo that was there? Those were their names.
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  Speaker 3: You know, It's just it's I've got a lot of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: smart alecy friends that have a lot of lot of good,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: funny jokes.
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  Speaker 6: I had.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: I had a buddy of mine that worked with the
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: NYPD and he had a partner in this guy used
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: to say, be careful, if you pull.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: On the chain, you get the whole dog.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: And you know, I just kind of collect these things
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: over the years that it's just good to know smart Alex.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: They've got great So let's go broad. We've got a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: drama here at Thriller sat primarily in Bangkok, where I've
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: been and never want to drive again, and a little
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: bit of allusions to Cambodia and I've been to Cambodia,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't ever I've been to Sandookville, which is
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: in the book, and I'm curious, why did By the way,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: the map at the beginning very perhaps the best map
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I've seen to illustrate the problem we have with distance
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: in the Pacific, And it's right there on page three,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Why did you go Thailand, China, Taiwan, Cambodia for this thriller? So?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I think what sets me apart from other thriller writers
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: is that I always choose a very real about to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: happen on your doorstep geopolitical backdrop. And I've been fascinated
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: with how China has tried to buy influence around the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: world via their Belton Road initiative. And I said, has
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: there ever been a country that told the Chinese we're
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: not interested in fact, not just no, but hell no.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: And turns out that Thailand did. There was a particular
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: engineering thing that the Chinese were interested in getting the
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Thaie government to buy off on, and Bangkok said no,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: go Pound sand And so I thought, Okay, if China
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: really wanted to force their will in Thailand, how might
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: they do it, and how might they do it to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: create so much chaos that another military coup would exist,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: would take place. The last one is about twenty thirteen
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen in Thailand. And I said, now, how do
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: we make this important for America? How could China screw
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: things up so badly and be so dangerous in Thailand
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: that it would chill Americans to the bone.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: And that's where I came up with the idea.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: I actually found out that China did have a plan
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: that Thailand said no to.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to tell people that the background.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: You may have seen some headlines on the Thie Cambodian
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: border clashes. President Trump makes references to all the time,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: you give more background in Choke Point on that controversy
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: that I knew going into Choke Point. Were you aware
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of it until you then work on this book.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I knew that there was a lot of trouble on
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the border between the two nations and that it was
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: escalating because they constantly accused each other of planting land
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: mines and there's a lot of I mean, it's very
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: much like Israel and Lebanon. It is very interesting, the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: missiles and mortars flying back and forth and all this
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And I thought Wow, how am I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: not hearing about all of this stuff going on in
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: the United States? And that became my job as a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: thriller writer is how do I make this important and
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: relevant for my American readers?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Well done? Now, I've already sent a note to my
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: friend Glenn Byers, who's a thriller at Fishinado and whose
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: favorite bar in the world is Off the Record in
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: the hay Adams. And if you ever get a note
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: from Glenn Byers, he's okay. He's not a stocker, he
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: collect thriller writers, but there's a meeting there that is
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: central to the book. How often do you go to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Off the record in the basement of the hay Adams.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: I like to stay at the hay Adams.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: And in fact, what's interesting is I've set multiple books
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: there in the bar. I've had scenes set there, and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: I always send the manager, who's delightful, assigned copy and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: they keep them in the hotel. They have a file
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: folder that lists every time they've been mentioned on a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: TV show, in a movie, and so my books. They've
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: taken very good care of me. And my daughter goes
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: there sometimes and they treat her like a queen, and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: so I just love the whole staff at the hay Adams.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: And last time I went, they upgraded me to the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Presidential Suite so I can look out across the White House, which.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Was just amazing.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: They're just nice people, so and it's a cool power spot,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: you know that.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: And I also think it's the best place to get
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: married in America, maybe after the Nixon Libry and orvil.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: And I think it's the best place in America to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: get married. Let me close with this brad tour. In
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: chow Point, we run into SHAWNA. Vaughan of the Secret Service,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Aaron Delaney of the National Security Council, and Jennifer Fields
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: of the FBI. Are they coming back?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: You liked them that much?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: Huh?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: I think they They're good characters.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Agent Fields was in last summer's book. She worked with
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: her boss. She's been in a couple she's been in Deadfall,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: she was in the Edge of Honor last summer. And
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: I really like agent Fields. She's actually named after my friend,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: actress Kim Fields, so that's kind of fun for me.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: But Shawnavaughn's a fun character. And then, of course, you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: know with the relationship you and I have with Robert O'Brien,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: having been the former National Security Advisor and Trump one
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: point zero. I love anything I could set in the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: NSC so that character will will also be back.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, so I want to finish this way. Brad Thorpe,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: you've been how many books have you got out of
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: the Scott Harvest series?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: This is the twenty fifth book, And like the James
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Bond movies, you can go to see the latest one
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: without having ever seen a bar you need for absolutely.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: Want to start.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: If you want to start writing here, absolutely NodD and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: you won't give anything away. You can start with this.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious in your mind? Is there a plan?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Is there an exit plan? Does Bradthorpe ever in tend
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: to like get a pinat Calata away from the cartels
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: that are in this book and away from all the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: CCP guys are in this book and the and the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: rogue Sealed team? Beeple? Are you ever going to just
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: gonna kick back and retire?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: I couldn't sit still long enough. Few I love what
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: I do for a living. I'm so lucky.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I love writing these thrillers and as long as I've
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: got an audience that keeps me employed, I'm going to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: keep giving it one hundred and twenty percent every single time,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: working to make every book better than the last.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Is there a book tour coming up for Chill Point
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and where do people find out if there is?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: So?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: There is, I go on tour.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I'm hitting cities across the country in the full tours
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: available at Bradthor dot com.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: All right, go there, get your books signed, Meet Brad.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: He's one of the few authors out there who actually
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: enjoys meeting the people who read his books because they
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: usually have a question about this or that, and his
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: encyclopedic memory we'll recall it. This time. You're going to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: get a whole bunch of people who don't know any
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