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Useless Screenshots & Irrelevant Receipts (RHOC Recap) · Two Ts In A Pod with Teddi Mellencamp and Tamra Judge

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Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Melloncamp and Cameridge Edge.
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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in
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Speaker 2: a Pod with myself, Teddy Melloncamp and Alexia.
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Speaker 3: Hi.
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Speaker 2: Teddy, Hi, how's it going?
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Speaker 4: Good?
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Speaker 2: Good?
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Speaker 3: There? You good?
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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm running around like a chicken with
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Speaker 2: my head cut off so much travel and work and
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Speaker 2: all the things. So it's definitely one of those days.
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Speaker 2: But I'm excited to get into this episode. I feel
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Speaker 2: like it took me on a whole like Merry Go
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Speaker 2: round of emotions like highs and.
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Speaker 3: Lows and like yo, well, I feel like you have
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Speaker 3: a lot to say no, especially that last scene in
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Speaker 3: the in the dinner. Oh god, all right, that was
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Speaker 3: hard to watch.
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Speaker 2: That was hard to watch. Before we even get into that,
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Speaker 2: there's a couple of headlines we need to get into.
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Speaker 2: Real Housewives is Orange County. Shannon Badour suffered setback and
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Speaker 2: court battle with ex John Janssen over leged facelift. Shannon
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Speaker 2: Badoor went to court and as a part of her
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Speaker 2: effort to settle with ex boyfriend John Jansen's lawsuit against her,
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Speaker 2: but according to court documents, an Orange County judge denied
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Speaker 2: Shannon's request to remove John's allegations of fraud from the case.
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Speaker 2: John accused Shannon of fraud and breach of contract. He
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Speaker 2: claimed that despite repeated requests, Shannon had refused to pay
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Speaker 2: back the money. He demanded the return of seventy five
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Speaker 2: thousand and punitive damages and attorney fees. In her recent motion,
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Speaker 2: Shannon argued John had failed to present enough evidence to
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Speaker 2: back up his allegation of promisory fraud. John opposed the
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Speaker 2: request and said his lawsuit had enough to press seed.
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Speaker 2: In addition, Shannon argued for John's requests for punitive damages
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Speaker 2: and attorney fees to be dismissed, but then the judge
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Speaker 2: denied her plea to prevent John from seeking punitive damages,
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Speaker 2: but did strike his request to have his attorney fees
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Speaker 2: paid for. The court noted John may be allowed to
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Speaker 2: re argue his case for fees at a later date.
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Speaker 2: So this isn't great, It's not really great.
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Speaker 3: No, And this is a lot to talk about. So
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Speaker 3: this for sure, I mean, this is like all over
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Speaker 3: the storyline, This is all over the place. So there's
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Speaker 3: a lot to talk about with this. How do you
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Speaker 3: feel about it. How do you feel about judge making
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Speaker 3: that decision? Did you think it was fair?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think oftentimes when it comes to
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Speaker 2: court cases, a lot isn't fair. But I think that
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Speaker 2: this definitely isn't a win for Shannon because if the
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Speaker 2: judge thought that Shannon was completely free of this that
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Speaker 2: I think the case would have been dropped.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to give you my honest opinion. I
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Speaker 3: think that the judges, you know, that are ruling all
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Speaker 3: these cases, you know, know about the Housewives, and he
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Speaker 3: may not particularly like you know, the housewives and reality
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Speaker 3: TV stars, and I think it's always a big risk
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Speaker 3: that you take, you know, being a public figure and
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Speaker 3: having this platform and being a reality TV star. I've
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Speaker 3: seen where that has really worked against our favor, and
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Speaker 3: I think this is a case of that. You know,
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Speaker 3: I feel like John doesn't have enough evidence. I mean
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Speaker 3: by what he's saying and by what Alexis showed this episode.
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Speaker 3: I mean a receipt. What's the receipt that he sent it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Shannon's really not denying that he gave her
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Speaker 3: the money, so there's obvious proof that he did give
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Speaker 3: her the money, but there's no paper there's no contract.
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Speaker 3: There's no I mean, he could alled that it's a
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Speaker 3: verbal agreement, but they were dating and there were a couple.
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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows to say that he said, you
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Speaker 3: know what, I don't want to do this for you.
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Speaker 3: You know, maybe she said, you know, I'll pay you back,
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Speaker 3: But how is that like an agreement.
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Speaker 2: I have the feeling that there's going to be more
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Speaker 2: to come on this and it'll shed more light on stuff.
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Speaker 2: But I think it just goes back to always, whether
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Speaker 2: somebody is your boyfriend, your friend, whatever it may be,
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Speaker 2: loaning money or giving gifts at this high amount is
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Speaker 2: going to end in drama when relationships come to an end.
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Speaker 3: If you're with a housewife, if you're on a TV show,
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Speaker 3: if you're on a reality TV show, it's always going
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Speaker 3: to be that and it's always going to make the headlines.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's happened to a lot of the girls
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Speaker 3: on these other franchises where you know, things have not
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Speaker 3: turned out well for them just because there were reality
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Speaker 3: TV stars. I mean that's how I feel.
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Speaker 2: But even if I'm not on a reality show right now,
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Speaker 2: but if I started dating somebody and they loaned me
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Speaker 2: or gave me seventy five thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: And it's stipid. If it's a loone, why didn't he
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Speaker 3: get an agreement? Why didn't he make or sign a
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Speaker 3: paper that said I'm loaning you this money with the
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Speaker 3: condition that you came me back. There's no agreement, there's
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Speaker 3: no pay it's his word against first.
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Speaker 2: Well, and supposedly she said that she tried to pay
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Speaker 2: him back, allegedly something along those lines, but in order
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Speaker 2: for her to pay him back, he's no longer allowed
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Speaker 2: to stay disparaging comments about her. He refused to sign that,
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Speaker 2: which that that is the only part. I mean, all
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Speaker 2: this other shit. We can argue it back and forth,
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Speaker 2: it really is. You know, I don't love people money
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Speaker 2: for this reason. I think it always comes back to
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Speaker 2: bite you in the ass because money is ends up
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Speaker 2: killing relationship. But sure, I think I think it's it's
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Speaker 2: just tricky because why wouldn't he want to sign the
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Speaker 2: document that says, okay, pay me back, then we don't
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Speaker 2: have to go to court. Right.
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Speaker 3: No, And truthfully, they're going to spend all this money.
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Speaker 3: They're going to end up spending more than to so
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Speaker 3: many thousand dollars that he gave her, and it's just
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Speaker 3: a stupid move, you know, and he didn't want to
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Speaker 3: sign a or where he can continue to talk about her,
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Speaker 3: so it's kind of like he's sending a mixed message.
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Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with this, but you know,
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Speaker 3: I want to continue to be able to talk about
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Speaker 3: you and Alexis as well.
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Speaker 2: And well, what somebody has said is that it's because
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Speaker 2: in the agreement, and who knows if this is true
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Speaker 2: or not, but it didn't say that. It was only
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Speaker 2: about the disparaging comments being about what he was saying
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Speaker 2: about her. It was not mutually exclusive, so it means
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Speaker 2: that she could continue to talk about it. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if this is accurate.
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Speaker 3: It could be true because I get it. She's on
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Speaker 3: a show where she that's her job, so she needs
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Speaker 3: to say her story, and then she has all these
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Speaker 3: other women also saying the story for her, so it's
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Speaker 3: kind of like she had her hands side that she
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Speaker 3: needs to have, you know, that ability where she can
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Speaker 3: speak because it's her story and she's getting paid for that,
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Speaker 3: that's her job.
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Speaker 2: And especially alexis now coming on the show to talk
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Speaker 2: about it. Exact show receipts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she can't keep her mouth. But he on the
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Speaker 3: other hand, if he really wanted nothing to do with this,
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Speaker 3: he could keep it his mouth shut and he could
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Speaker 3: have gone paid. If that was the case.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he really wanted the seventy five thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't about just sticking it to her, right,
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Speaker 2: because I think he's probably still pissed about past things
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Speaker 2: that she said, like saying, oh, you know, I always
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Speaker 2: paid for him at the beginning this and the you know,
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Speaker 2: like I think.
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Speaker 3: For him, it's not she's been pretty quiet between you
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Speaker 3: and I. But I think that I mean, obviously this
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Speaker 3: episode she does say that she has more things if
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Speaker 3: she really wanted to, than she could say, and he's
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Speaker 3: a real monster, and there's so much more that she
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Speaker 3: can say. But I mean, at this time, I think
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Speaker 3: she's just saying the truth, you know. And like all relationships,
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Speaker 3: you know, some guys pay some girl's pace. She makes
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Speaker 3: good money. He makes money too. You pay for a trip,
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Speaker 3: you buy him a gift. You know, it's not like
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Speaker 3: you're keeping count of how much money I spent and
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Speaker 3: how much money you spent.
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Speaker 2: But I originally for that you actually do I do
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Speaker 2: I know exactly what money and I spend I know, like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: well I got.
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Speaker 3: To do But you don't want to bring that up.
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Speaker 3: You know that that's just like something that you do
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Speaker 3: out of love because you know you want to do it,
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Speaker 3: but you're not kind of like.
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Speaker 2: But I think also so much was said last season,
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Speaker 2: whether it was off camera and then brought up on camera.
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Speaker 2: There was a while their relationship was coming unglued. There
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Speaker 2: was a lot of things said. So I think that
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Speaker 2: both parties, I think, have a lot of residual anger
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Speaker 2: towards one another, and it's coming out in the form
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Speaker 2: of this lawsuit, where really it should just be you know,
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Speaker 2: these two are toxic together, they should be done. Let's
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Speaker 2: pay each other out and move right along. But I
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Speaker 2: think the idea of now Alexis being on the show
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Speaker 2: is just going It's going to keep opening that scab,
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Speaker 2: It's going to keep opening up. Of course, this next one,
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Speaker 2: it's Ryan and Jen went on this podcast called Date
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Speaker 2: Your Wife, and an Instagram post, Ryan wrote, thank you Garrett,
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Speaker 2: Jay White, and Daniel White. Jen and I are truly
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Speaker 2: grateful for the opportunity to be on the amazing Date
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Speaker 2: Your Wife podcast. We loved the four of us kept
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Speaker 2: it real. In this episode, we dive into the story
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Speaker 2: of how Jennifer and Ryan met, as well as the
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Speaker 2: challenges they faced in their previous marriage. Ryan often portrayed
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Speaker 2: as Orange County's bad boy, and Jennifer, a mother of
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Speaker 2: five who had previously been married, to share their experiences
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Speaker 2: navigating love and life under the scrutiny of a reality show.
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Speaker 2: We all know how reality TV can twist narratives to
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Speaker 2: create the story they want. Is refreshing to hear directly
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Speaker 2: from Jennifer and Ryan and get to know them better.
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Speaker 2: They both seem genuinely connected and deeply in love. Our
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Speaker 2: conversation also covers the struggle and dealings of social media trolls,
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Speaker 2: media scrutiny, and public comments. I mean, I think, listen
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Speaker 2: to the podcast if you want, and just keep watching
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Speaker 2: their relationship play out. Their relationship whether I think sometimes
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Speaker 2: Jen seems like she's ticking her head in the sand
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Speaker 2: a little bit. They do seem to get along relatively well.
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Speaker 3: I agree, I like them together. I think they're really
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Speaker 3: in love and happy together. Again. You know, we don't
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Speaker 3: live with them, so we don't know what really happens. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: of course, I mean they could say, you know anything,
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Speaker 3: but I feel like, you know, there could match. I
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Speaker 3: feel like for now, you know, I mean you don't know,
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Speaker 3: like we say, you know, it's a risk that you're taking.
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Speaker 3: But they seem to like each other. Seems to treat
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Speaker 3: her nicely, and they seem to be like in it together,
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Speaker 3: you know, as a couple supporting each other.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see this. Next one is Taylor, who you
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Speaker 2: know was a friend of last season, but was also
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Speaker 2: on Beverly Hills Beverly Hills multiple seasons. She now has
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Speaker 2: her own podcast. It's called Naked Truth Podcast. She states
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Speaker 2: that one of my Oscy housewife friends was getting out
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Speaker 2: of the car behind me, and I haven't heard from
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Speaker 2: her and quite some time, and I actually have been
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Speaker 2: really hurt over it. So when I saw her, she said,
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Speaker 2: oh my god, how are you. She's acted so excited
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Speaker 2: to see me, And I said, actually, I am hurt,
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Speaker 2: and you hurt my feelings. She was going through a
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Speaker 2: really dark time in a roller coaster relationship. So I
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Speaker 2: want to be supportive of my friends and everything they do,
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Speaker 2: but especially in a situation like that. So I was
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Speaker 2: her go to call morning, noon, night, in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the night, just as many times as I could
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Speaker 2: be there because I know there was a time when
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Speaker 2: I needed that. When her life changed all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: everything was different for her and she didn't need me
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Speaker 2: any longer. Crickets. I haven't heard a single word from her,
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Speaker 2: and it was very hurtful to me. One of our
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Speaker 2: other oh see house so I friends has said to me,
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Speaker 2: you just wait and see. The minute that she doesn't
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Speaker 2: need you anymore, you won't hear from her. I thought
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Speaker 2: that's impossible, because we were on the phone three, four
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Speaker 2: or five hours a day listening to her cry and
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Speaker 2: support her. There's no way she's just going to drop me.
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Speaker 2: I feel as though she was taken aback. It's been
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Speaker 2: a long time and she just dropped me like a
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Speaker 2: hot potato. She said, oh, I'm sorry, and I said, well,
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Speaker 2: you know you hurt my feelings. So clearly this is
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Speaker 2: about Shannon, Shannon, Taylor and Taylor. I think the hard
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Speaker 2: part about this is and I think this happens on
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Speaker 2: a lot of shows. Like I was very lucky that
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Speaker 2: when I got fired, my core friends were still my
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Speaker 2: friends and still there for me. But I also can
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Speaker 2: say with one hundred percent certainty I don't require a
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Speaker 2: ton as a friend.
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Speaker 3: I'm not right. Yeah, some friends are more needy, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and some friends just need that attention and you don't.
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Speaker 3: And you know, you know when you're a friend, and
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Speaker 3: that's what real friends are, you know, it's not the
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Speaker 3: one that you talk to three and four times a day.
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Speaker 3: It's just really like your real friendship. You can call
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Speaker 3: them at any time. You cannot talk for a whole week,
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Speaker 3: but then you get on the phone again and it's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: we shouldn't go by. It's like you just talk to her.
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Speaker 2: But I think that's also what we see playing out
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Speaker 2: through this episode, is what Taylor is saying, is what
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Speaker 2: I think Tarmora had said past when Tamara got you know,
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Speaker 2: fired or demoted or whatever we're gonna call it, she
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Speaker 2: dropped her as well. And I think that when you
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Speaker 2: require a lot of somebody and you're on a reality
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Speaker 2: television show, like let's just imagine, you know, you and
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Speaker 2: Mary self probably require a good amount from one in
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Speaker 2: one another, like you guys confide, I don't know how much.
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Speaker 3: Right, No, I mean we're real friends, But I don't
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Speaker 3: know what you're trying to say. There's girls that only
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Speaker 3: become your friend for the show, and they're kind of
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Speaker 3: like show friends, right, and they use you, they need
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Speaker 3: you for their story that episode, I'm sorry, or that
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Speaker 3: season as a matter of fact, and then things shift.
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Speaker 3: And that's where you know when your real friends are
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Speaker 3: when you're not filming, Are they still around? Are they
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Speaker 3: there for you? Do you keep in touch with them?
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Speaker 2: But I think that there's also a difference, Like I
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Speaker 2: have people that I would consider my real friends on
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Speaker 2: the show, but I wasn't calling them at all hours
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Speaker 2: of the night, crying to them, telling them my problems.
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Speaker 2: You know that that opens a whole nother level. I mean, yeah, yes,
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Speaker 2: you know what, Kyle. Sure, there's been moments where like
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Speaker 2: I am broken down and I need to talk to
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Speaker 2: someone and it is Kyle. But that being said, she's
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Speaker 2: still a friend regardless. But what we have to history
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Speaker 2: has just kind of repeated itself because Shannon not only
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Speaker 2: has done this to Tamara, Vicky, Heather, Meg Taylor, Like
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Speaker 2: this is a pattern. So I think if if.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, shame on the women that already know
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Speaker 3: that and they go for it, Like if you know
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Speaker 3: she's that type of girl, she's that kind of a woman,
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Speaker 3: like then you shouldn't be interested in having a friend
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Speaker 3: like that either. It's kind of like sometimes they use
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Speaker 3: each other, you know, it's not only Shannon, maybe Taylor
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Speaker 3: or whoever else had some motive as well to become
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Speaker 3: her friend as well. So it's kind of like they're
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Speaker 3: using each other, like you think she's using you're using
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Speaker 3: her by the way she's using you.
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Speaker 2: But I also think, you know, it's very hard. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm watching back original seasons of Beverly Hills where Taylor
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Speaker 2: was in the same kind of situation where she would
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Speaker 2: call Camille or Kyle or whoever it was, when she
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Speaker 2: would get in these big fights with her ex that
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Speaker 2: ultimately ended up committing suicide. And it's very hard when
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Speaker 2: you're on the receiving end of these phone calls and
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Speaker 2: somebody is distressed and heartbroken and crying to you to
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Speaker 2: then be able to go you know what, No, I'm
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Speaker 2: not going to listen to her right now because she
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Speaker 2: may fuck me over in the future. I think that's
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Speaker 2: a very hard thing, a hard boundary to put up,
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Speaker 2: especially when you are filming a television show together. But
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Speaker 2: I think you have to go into every friendship thinking,
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Speaker 2: you know, what this friendship could end and if and
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Speaker 2: they could.
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Speaker 3: Use it against me, because this is what I'm seeing
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Speaker 3: like that, you know, Maris and I have such a
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Speaker 3: bond that no show would ever you know, destroyers or
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Speaker 3: divide us. I mean we can have a difference of opinions,
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Speaker 3: but you know we would never do some of the
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Speaker 3: stuff that we see on the other shows, like between friends, Right,
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Speaker 3: that's very special. I was a friend before the show.
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Speaker 3: So that's I think what makes the difference. She's been
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Speaker 3: in my life, like the most difficult times, like my
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Speaker 3: biggest stories and like my biggest star olds, So it's
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Speaker 3: different the guy.
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Speaker 2: Also, she got fired tomorrow, you would still be her friend.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, She's always going to be in my life. Yes,
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Speaker 3: But that's what we're saying exactly. We're both agree that
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Speaker 3: a lot of these girls just do this, you know,
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Speaker 3: for the show and when they need you and then
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Speaker 3: they drop you. But then on the receiving end, you
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Speaker 3: want to be a good friend. You want to listen,
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Speaker 3: you're in distress, and you're going to pick up the phone.
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Speaker 3: You're going to talk to them for hours and then
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Speaker 3: they forget about what you did for them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and because I mean long story short, we can
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Speaker 2: all be very selfish at times, especially when we are struggling.
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Speaker 2: But I think then you know it. Also, what I've
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Speaker 2: noticed throughout the group of people on reality television is
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Speaker 2: you only live. There's a lot of housewives that I
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Speaker 2: think only live on reality television. There is no outside life.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that is so true. Yeah, there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: If you haven't like my life right exactly, I would say,
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Speaker 3: like the show revolves around my life, Like my life
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Speaker 3: doesn't revolve around the show, right, And you guys see
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Speaker 3: whatever you get whenever we're filming, and and then I
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Speaker 3: just block it out and I just go on with
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Speaker 3: my everyday life like I do. But you know, there
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Speaker 3: are some women that are obsessed with this and like
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Speaker 3: their whole life is consumed by the show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if that person isn't hired anymore, then they're
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Speaker 2: no longer a person that you're going to take the
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Speaker 2: time to talk to because it's not.
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Speaker 3: Your life anymore. You're done, exactly.
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Speaker 2: It starts where Gina and Jen go to Heather's at
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Speaker 2: Bablaha Bay Club. Heather questions why Gina would allow Katie
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Speaker 2: to make this accusation. Gina says she's still getting to
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Speaker 2: know Katie. Then, Gina says Katie told her that this
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Speaker 2: was before. This was a shock to me that this
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Speaker 2: was before Sutton's Christmas party. Heather questions why Gina didn't
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Speaker 2: tell her in December, and Gina says she fucked up.
18:00
Speaker 2: First things First, why did they have to have on
18:02
Speaker 2: those gold eye masks? And why was it they slid
18:05
Speaker 2: down to their lower and tire sit.
18:08
Speaker 3: Up for one? Whiz weird too. Yeah, it's like, why
18:10
Speaker 3: are you wearing a mask? It's like we're trying to
18:11
Speaker 3: take off everybody's mask, Like, why are you trying to
18:13
Speaker 3: put one on?
18:14
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh. My other question is this
18:20
Speaker 2: started to make me feel a different way about Gina.
18:23
Speaker 2: I think Gina's been getting a very good.
18:26
Speaker 3: Entire It's not a metage. She's actually being great. I
18:30
Speaker 3: mean she's just being you know, very fair, you know,
18:33
Speaker 3: until this, until this. Yeah, apparently she knew about it
18:37
Speaker 3: already before and she was hiding and well, she said
18:39
Speaker 3: she didn't want to bring it on because she was
18:41
Speaker 3: afraid what it was going to do to everyone when
18:44
Speaker 3: they're you know, every all the girls were back. Katie
18:47
Speaker 3: was trying to become friends with the girls. I mean,
18:49
Speaker 3: I think that that's what she's trying to say. No,
18:51
Speaker 3: that she didn't want to bring that because she didn't
18:52
Speaker 3: want to make that a problem. But she should have
18:54
Speaker 3: known it was going to be a problem if Katie
18:56
Speaker 3: would say that.
18:57
Speaker 2: Well, of course, But you think for one second that
19:01
Speaker 2: Gina didn't have the intention of making sure that this
19:05
Speaker 2: came up on camera. She saved it. That's what people do.
19:12
Speaker 3: They save it, save it. That's true, you know the show.
19:14
Speaker 3: That's how it is.
19:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think she can't.
19:17
Speaker 3: Such a big mouth. I have to save it for yeah,
19:19
Speaker 3: but make things.
19:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think she saved it and then she you.
19:25
Speaker 3: Know then but she saved it for Katie.
19:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, she saved it. So then there would be drama
19:30
Speaker 2: with Katie and Heather and it could all blow up.
19:33
Speaker 2: But then she could look like the good guy, right,
19:36
Speaker 2: And I like, but don't try don't try to produce
19:41
Speaker 2: this into something that it's not. You saved this information,
19:44
Speaker 2: you let it come out. Then you act appalled that
19:46
Speaker 2: it came out. Just own it and be like, yeah,
19:48
Speaker 2: let's free.
19:49
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have backed it. She shouldn't have acted that
19:51
Speaker 3: she was you know, surprised by it because she already
19:54
Speaker 3: knew about it. That's like where it makes it like
19:56
Speaker 3: fucked up that she knew about it and she's friends
19:58
Speaker 3: with Heather. But think about it. Would you have told
20:02
Speaker 3: Heather before if you would have given Heather that information,
20:05
Speaker 3: that Heather would have brought it up to Katie, it
20:07
Speaker 3: would have been the opposite.
20:09
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but then, but then I think it would
20:11
Speaker 2: have been if Heather would have brought it up to Katie.
20:14
Speaker 2: I think we'd probably already be done with this conversation now.
20:17
Speaker 2: But what made this a bigger deal than it? Truthfully,
20:20
Speaker 2: it is because I don't even actually care whether she
20:23
Speaker 2: called the paparazzi or not. But it's that Katie.
20:26
Speaker 3: I thought, by the way that Terry said he loved it.
20:28
Speaker 3: I loved when Terry said, oh, I love the paparazzi, Like,
20:31
Speaker 3: do you have his phone number? I would love to
20:32
Speaker 3: call him because I love to have my pictures taken.
20:35
Speaker 3: I thought he handled that so well. Yeah.
20:37
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they they're well oiled machines. They
20:39
Speaker 2: would have handled it differently. I think what Heather didn't
20:42
Speaker 2: like is that she was called a liar behind her back.
20:46
Speaker 2: Gina knew about it. Gina is now pretending like she is,
20:50
Speaker 2: you know, mother Teresa in this whole thing, when really.
20:54
Speaker 3: She knew about it and she could have gone the information. Yeah.
20:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, then we're getting some new comprofessional looks. These are
21:01
Speaker 2: a little These are a little tough, these confessional looks.
21:04
Speaker 3: I agree, Why are they? Especially the hair, I mean
21:07
Speaker 3: it's not even so much a clothing. I think that
21:09
Speaker 3: just like the whole glam as far as the hair
21:11
Speaker 3: and makeup goes, it's it's not doing them. Well yeah,
21:15
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like the girls for the
21:18
Speaker 3: confessional looks, they want to try so hard and be
21:21
Speaker 3: like over the top that they look ridiculous.
21:24
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the problem that people like Dread
21:27
Speaker 2: and Erica who that's like their natural sell right, that's
21:30
Speaker 2: their character, that's that's the reality, that's who they are.
21:33
Speaker 2: But I like Marasol on my show, Oh maybe Gerdy
21:37
Speaker 2: mar Chanelle I on, there are certain women that that's
21:41
Speaker 2: just who they are. They always are going to be
21:43
Speaker 2: over the top. But then when it's when it's somebody
21:45
Speaker 2: like me, if I try to come to the top,
21:48
Speaker 2: I look like an asshole me too, And.
21:50
Speaker 3: I kind of ridiculous, you know that was That's my
21:52
Speaker 3: hardest thing. I hate the confessionals already, like having to
21:55
Speaker 3: sit there in the hot seat and being questioned and whatnot,
21:58
Speaker 3: so that for me already is un comfortable. Then you
22:00
Speaker 3: put on top which you're gonna wear, and like the
22:02
Speaker 3: hair and just like the whole thing, the whole look.
22:05
Speaker 3: It just stresses me out. I just paid everything about it.
22:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're not dressed as who you are,
22:12
Speaker 2: like in some capacity, it doesn't feel like unauthentic confessional,
22:16
Speaker 2: like you can tell you you're uncomfortable in your own skin,
22:18
Speaker 2: giving it, like I remember, you got to own it,
22:21
Speaker 2: you got to own it. Yeah, because Gina and Shannon
22:24
Speaker 2: both looked uncomfortable in their confessional looks.
22:28
Speaker 3: I don't even recognize Gina. Like I had to put
22:30
Speaker 3: on my glasses when I was watching because I was like,
22:34
Speaker 3: is that Gina a completely different look?
22:36
Speaker 2: I Like, I think Gina is a beautiful girl, but
22:38
Speaker 2: like I think she's beautiful to it.
22:39
Speaker 3: I love her style. I mean I've seen her and
22:41
Speaker 3: I always think she's very stylish, very pretty. But it
22:45
Speaker 3: was just like that look, like whoever got did it
22:47
Speaker 3: for her? Like it's not working.
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, but who knows. Maybe because they filmed it so
22:51
Speaker 2: many times, maybe this was just an off one and
22:54
Speaker 2: the next time we see her in the same look,
22:56
Speaker 2: maybe it'll be toned down.
22:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully Tamos look like Tamra's like how she is,
23:02
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. She has a hair like
23:03
Speaker 3: she wears it, her makeup, you know, her pretty dress,
23:07
Speaker 3: like how she would. You know, I feel like you
23:08
Speaker 3: need to be that person like you. I like to
23:11
Speaker 3: be who I am on camera, just like how I
23:13
Speaker 3: would dress like I'm not gonna look ridiculous because I
23:15
Speaker 3: would never dress like that in my real life. Yeah.
23:17
Speaker 2: And I think Heather always kind of looks like herself.
23:20
Speaker 2: I think it does. I think Katie is really awesome. Yeah, Emily,
23:26
Speaker 2: I think that it just whenever you try to be
23:29
Speaker 2: a little too much, it comes off as a little
23:31
Speaker 2: too much. Then Shannon goes to Katie's house. Shannon tells
23:35
Speaker 2: Katie she admired her for standing up to Heather, and
23:38
Speaker 2: Katie shows Shannon the text proof about the paparazzi. Katie
23:43
Speaker 2: thinks Gina is terrified of disappointing Heather. Katie gets a
23:47
Speaker 2: point and loses a point in this one because she
23:50
Speaker 2: gets a point for calling out Gina for being scared
23:52
Speaker 2: of Heather, but then she loses a point for continuing
23:55
Speaker 2: to show the screenshot of that terrible proof.
23:58
Speaker 3: Text, which says, now it's who's gonna say that? Who's
24:05
Speaker 3: gonna actually tell her? Like put it away, Like it
24:07
Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything if you're not proving your point.
24:11
Speaker 2: Like all you wrote back was yes, Like all the
24:15
Speaker 2: person wrote back with yes. You could have texted that
24:18
Speaker 2: to anyone in their mother and they could respond to yes,
24:20
Speaker 2: Like she could have texted that to me and I
24:22
Speaker 2: could have given my opinion. This proves fucking nothing.
24:26
Speaker 3: I agree, But do you like Shannon and Katie together?
24:29
Speaker 3: Does that seem like natural to you? Like? Did you
24:32
Speaker 3: like that? Like their friendship and you found friendship?
24:35
Speaker 2: I think that this I thought was a very good
24:37
Speaker 2: episode for Katie.
24:39
Speaker 3: I thought so too.
24:40
Speaker 2: I appreciated Katie and Jen at the end kind of
24:43
Speaker 2: just gossiping and talking like they're whispering back and forth
24:47
Speaker 2: during the drama. I liked Katie with her daughter when
24:50
Speaker 2: she was trying on different clothes and the daughter saying like, yeah,
24:53
Speaker 2: if you want to go to impress wear the blah.
24:55
Speaker 3: Blah, Botega. Yes, yeah, No, I like it too. You know,
24:59
Speaker 3: I always liked her since the beginning. I thought she
25:02
Speaker 3: was a good addition. But we have to give the time,
25:04
Speaker 3: which is like what we said, you really just can't
25:06
Speaker 3: judge by one episode, and I feel like the audience
25:10
Speaker 3: always does that, And that's why I hate about social media,
25:13
Speaker 3: that the audience just like watches one episode and there
25:15
Speaker 3: they are on Instagram, you know, making the comments and
25:17
Speaker 3: attacking and it's usually negative. And yeah, and you just
25:21
Speaker 3: have to give people a chance. And I thought it
25:23
Speaker 3: was a good episode for her too. And I did
25:25
Speaker 3: love seeing Katie and channing together. I thought it was
25:27
Speaker 3: like real, genuine and I think they're getting.
25:30
Speaker 2: To know each other and I appreciated it. I liked it.
25:34
Speaker 2: But then Tamra and Emily going a walk. Tamer says
25:37
Speaker 2: Jin can't sit at home and look at her empty
25:39
Speaker 2: bank account. Then Tamor says it's self induced like Shannon situation,
25:44
Speaker 2: and then Tamar thinks Gina is done with Katie. This
25:49
Speaker 2: is where we kind of get We're starting to get
25:52
Speaker 2: more storyline about what's happening here, and I think it's
25:58
Speaker 2: it's foreshadowing what's going to happen at this dinner.
26:02
Speaker 3: I agree, because then the dinner happens.
26:04
Speaker 2: And all hell breaks loose. Then we get Emily and
26:08
Speaker 2: Shane celebrating their anniversary. Shane has made the talking about
26:14
Speaker 2: Shane has made zero effort to improve his health. Then
26:17
Speaker 2: they the two ask each other fifteen year questions, if
26:21
Speaker 2: you could go back, would you still marry me? Shane
26:23
Speaker 2: says yes. Emily said she'd marry Charlie Hunnam. You know what,
26:26
Speaker 2: he's hot. Then Emily asked what nice things he says
26:30
Speaker 2: about her. Shane says he always tells the kids that
26:33
Speaker 2: she's the best mom. Shane upgraded Emily's engagement ring, and
26:38
Speaker 2: then Emily gives Shane the boudoir for it. But this
26:41
Speaker 2: is what we need to talk about about the gifting
26:43
Speaker 2: of the photo. I think the photo is beautiful. I
26:45
Speaker 2: think it's great, but I almost died when I saw
26:48
Speaker 2: it was in children's wrapping paper.
26:52
Speaker 3: I didn't even see that, no way, But that's probably
26:55
Speaker 3: all she found, right. She probably thought he would have noticed.
26:58
Speaker 3: He was going to be so eager to open it.
27:00
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's funny.
27:02
Speaker 2: But I was like, is this from your six year
27:04
Speaker 2: old's birthday party? Like, what's going on?
27:07
Speaker 3: Left over wrapping paper? She that's so funny.
27:09
Speaker 2: But also her reaction was a little bit small when
27:12
Speaker 2: it came to getting her ring, and I was like,
27:14
Speaker 2: did she know this was coming?
27:17
Speaker 3: Well? I mean sometimes you know, because you know he's like,
27:20
Speaker 3: you know, calling the jeweler, or you know there's some
27:22
Speaker 3: kind of activity going on at home, or that they
27:24
Speaker 3: talk about it or whatnot. But yeah, the ring was beautiful.
27:27
Speaker 3: I think they're so cute together.
27:29
Speaker 2: I think because I think that Shane has had a
27:32
Speaker 2: real come up on this show. I think everyone has
27:34
Speaker 2: learned to appreciate that his like dry personality is actually humor.
27:39
Speaker 2: And I think they're I really think they're a good couple.
27:42
Speaker 3: And I think I really enjoy watching them. They have great,
27:45
Speaker 3: you know, dynamics to take the way. They're friendly. They're friendly,
27:48
Speaker 3: they're sweet to each other, they laugh.
27:50
Speaker 2: They're also so different, but I think they compliment each other.
27:53
Speaker 2: I like them together, but that also just goes to
27:57
Speaker 2: show what can happen after a couple of seasons on
27:59
Speaker 2: a household, as you see completely different sides of you.
28:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the men make it that far, yes.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of them don't. The real unmarried wives of
28:09
Speaker 2: Yes Any franchise. Right then, Gina and Katie get lunch.
28:14
Speaker 2: Katie says she felt abandoned by Gina taking Heather side.
28:18
Speaker 2: Gina says she had her back by telling her not
28:20
Speaker 2: to bring it up. I mean she told her not
28:22
Speaker 2: to bring it up on camera. So Gina says Heather
28:26
Speaker 2: is mad at both of them and she should have
28:28
Speaker 2: had Heather's back. More, Katie gets emotional, saying how she
28:31
Speaker 2: values Gina. Katie is worried everything she told Gina will
28:35
Speaker 2: be held against her. It's not Gina's best episode. But
28:41
Speaker 2: also when Katie starts.
28:43
Speaker 3: To you don't think this is a good scene though,
28:45
Speaker 3: like between them, like you know, at this point, I
28:48
Speaker 3: feel like Gina's realizing that shed up with Heather, and
28:53
Speaker 3: she's trying to tell her, Listen, you know, I'm not
28:55
Speaker 3: going to have your back now because what I did
28:58
Speaker 3: was wrong and I should. You know, I should have
29:01
Speaker 3: been a better friend to Heather, and I told you
29:04
Speaker 3: enough to say it. I think, what did she kind
29:06
Speaker 3: of redeems herself.
29:08
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought she was kind of coming
29:10
Speaker 2: in pretty hard on Katie, knowing good and well. This
29:12
Speaker 2: is Katie's first season she could have advised her not
29:16
Speaker 2: to bring up such a thing, you know, like, but
29:18
Speaker 2: instead kind of made it more of a drama and
29:20
Speaker 2: then wanted to be the hero in this aspect. But
29:24
Speaker 2: then it isn't until Katie starts crying that Gene is like,
29:27
Speaker 2: oh shit, I may have pushed this too far.
29:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can see that Katie was really hurt.
29:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm sure, I mean, we all live this.
29:36
Speaker 2: I'm sure Katie was like, oh, shoot, this is what
29:38
Speaker 2: I thought I was sing, you know, like whatever she's new.
29:42
Speaker 2: What'd you think about the Shannon and her dad Jeane
29:46
Speaker 2: getting lunch together?
29:49
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I like, first of all, I was
29:51
Speaker 3: happy to see that. He's all I remember and watch
29:53
Speaker 3: these shows, and I don't have my parents, so when
29:56
Speaker 3: I saw her with her dad, it brought me a
29:59
Speaker 3: lot of joy. I don't know what kind of relationship
30:01
Speaker 3: she has with her father and how much involved you know,
30:04
Speaker 3: how much she wouldn't bother your father, you know, since
30:06
Speaker 3: he's you know, an older person. You know, I don't
30:09
Speaker 3: know his health. But so I was kind of like, wow,
30:11
Speaker 3: they have a good relationship, you know, at least you know,
30:14
Speaker 3: you know, he knows what's going on. I don't know
30:15
Speaker 3: whether that's good or bad, you know, when you're an
30:17
Speaker 3: older person. But I was happy to see that she
30:21
Speaker 3: did have, you know, her father, she'd have this conversation
30:23
Speaker 3: with her father. I wasn't surprised by her father's reaction
30:27
Speaker 3: as far as like, you got to fight this guy
30:29
Speaker 3: because he's being a dad, he's protecting his daughter. And
30:31
Speaker 3: no matter you know, how old Shannon is, it's always
30:34
Speaker 3: going to be like his baby girl whatever. So you know,
30:37
Speaker 3: I don't know, I like the scene, I really do,
30:40
Speaker 3: you know. I think when we're in hard in hard times,
30:44
Speaker 3: you know, we turn to our parents, and she's very
30:46
Speaker 3: lucky that she has her dad.
30:48
Speaker 2: Well, she also in this scene she shares that she
30:52
Speaker 2: has to get a breathalyzer for her car, and then
30:55
Speaker 2: they talk about the drinking and she says she's going
30:58
Speaker 2: to be limiting herself to to drinks. She says that
31:00
Speaker 2: when she was with drawn, they drank constantly and she
31:03
Speaker 2: was miserable.
31:04
Speaker 3: And by the way, her dad was drinking too, like
31:06
Speaker 3: a big glass of wine.
31:07
Speaker 2: Well that her confessional actually did make me laugh when
31:10
Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, I mean in the eighties, there
31:13
Speaker 2: was just a big bottle of Chabie on the right.
31:18
Speaker 3: I remember that bottle. I think it was like in
31:20
Speaker 3: every household.
31:21
Speaker 2: I mean the same way that like our parents would
31:23
Speaker 2: smoke sins.
31:24
Speaker 3: They way to drop this off at school? Yes, like
31:27
Speaker 3: absolutely carpool right, Like.
31:32
Speaker 2: That's just how it was. But I do think that,
31:35
Speaker 2: you know, a big point is when drinking becomes a
31:39
Speaker 2: mode of coping.
31:42
Speaker 3: But but is she really an alcoholic? I still don't
31:45
Speaker 3: know that. I mean, just because you get a DUI
31:48
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're an alcoholic. I am very aware of
31:51
Speaker 3: the dui that was dumb, irresponsible. But sometimes you know,
31:54
Speaker 3: people will have two or three drinks only and unfortunately
31:57
Speaker 3: they get behind the wheel and they do kill somebody
32:00
Speaker 3: or kill themselves or get her or whatnot and go
32:02
Speaker 3: to jail. I get that. But just because do you
32:05
Speaker 3: have you get a DUI, does that make you an alcoholic?
32:08
Speaker 3: Like That's what I'm not understanding here.
32:11
Speaker 2: I think the I have two thoughts on this. I
32:15
Speaker 2: think I'm never going to say somebody's an alcoholic or
32:18
Speaker 2: not an alcoholic. I can't make that judgment call, but
32:22
Speaker 2: I can give facts. It has been brought up since
32:25
Speaker 2: her very first season by her kids, her friends, her
32:29
Speaker 2: ex husband, And I think also another point we need
32:32
Speaker 2: to make is Shannon seems to blame John for her drinking,
32:35
Speaker 2: and Alexis is insinuating that John drank because of Shannon,
32:40
Speaker 2: And it just seems like nobody wants to accept account
32:42
Speaker 2: of doing right. And I think that is a problem,
32:47
Speaker 2: Like you can't blame like, if I'm going to drink
32:49
Speaker 2: too much tomorrow, there's no one else to blame but me,
32:52
Speaker 2: of course not.
32:53
Speaker 3: We're like grown outs adults and we have their choice,
32:55
Speaker 3: so that there's no you can't blame anybody. I mean,
32:58
Speaker 3: it is true that you're be influenced in a way
33:01
Speaker 3: if you know, obviously, if you love to drink and
33:04
Speaker 3: then your partner doesn't like to drink, then you're going
33:06
Speaker 3: to drink probably a little less just because you like
33:08
Speaker 3: to drink with somebody else, and in their case, they
33:11
Speaker 3: both like to drink. But I think it's really immature
33:13
Speaker 3: and stupid to blame each other when you're grown ass
33:15
Speaker 3: adults and you have the choice, you know, of doing
33:17
Speaker 3: it or not. Well, but I just want to know
33:20
Speaker 3: issue or not. I mean, I'm just like all confused.
33:22
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, she likes to drink, but guess what,
33:24
Speaker 3: so does everybody else, because everybody else drinks.
33:27
Speaker 2: I think that is that is where some of the
33:30
Speaker 2: women have reached their threshold, because they've been on the
33:33
Speaker 2: show with her for many many seasons and had the
33:36
Speaker 2: late night drunk calls and had all of that got it.
33:40
Speaker 2: I think that's where it stems from. Do I think
33:43
Speaker 2: that all the women on the show have probably drank
33:45
Speaker 2: too much at one point or another and then's dumb shit? Sure?
33:49
Speaker 2: But I think where some of them are like, listen,
33:52
Speaker 2: this is a repeated thing that's happened over and over
33:55
Speaker 2: and over again.
33:56
Speaker 3: And unfortunately it never really got so much attention until
33:59
Speaker 3: her UI. Then it becomes you know, more concerning. It
34:02
Speaker 3: also becomes like a legal problem, and it just you know,
34:06
Speaker 3: maybe she you have to hit like rock bottom so
34:08
Speaker 3: she can like finally take control of the situation.
34:11
Speaker 2: Even though I have definitely seen scenes of Shannon looking
34:15
Speaker 2: completely out of control while filming and you know, in
34:19
Speaker 2: past seasons, I can say that so far this season,
34:22
Speaker 2: Shannon is coming across the best that she has on
34:26
Speaker 2: a drinking front. Does that mean that I think she's
34:29
Speaker 2: an alcoholic or not an alcoholic? I do not know.
34:31
Speaker 2: I do not know that answer. I do know that
34:34
Speaker 2: if I was on a television show and I had
34:36
Speaker 2: just gotten a DUI and all this shit was going down,
34:40
Speaker 2: I write, take a break from drinking, And if I
34:45
Speaker 2: couldn't take a break, I would probably start thinking about
34:50
Speaker 2: why I couldn't take a small break from drinking. But
34:55
Speaker 2: then Tama goes to Alexis's house. Tamra says, the Alexis
35:00
Speaker 2: knows today is not the same as she has ten
35:02
Speaker 2: years ago. Alexis then questions why she wasn't invited to Katie's.
35:07
Speaker 2: Tamra says, Katie thought it would be disrespectful to Shannon.
35:11
Speaker 2: Tamra says Shannon's life has been upside down for ten
35:14
Speaker 2: years and says it's traumatizing for her and that Shannon
35:18
Speaker 2: needs rehab. Alexis says Johnny barely drinks since they've been together.
35:27
Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe that, and you know, I mean
35:30
Speaker 3: the whole thing. You know, I'd like Alexis, but I
35:33
Speaker 3: don't know why every word that comes out of her
35:35
Speaker 3: mouth is john And now Johnny like, why, like, don't
35:37
Speaker 3: you have anything else to say besides talk about him?
35:41
Speaker 3: This is nobody cares. I mean honestly, this is I
35:45
Speaker 3: just have a problem with that.
35:46
Speaker 2: Honestly, I really, I really think that Alexis thought she
35:50
Speaker 2: was coming on and doing something here by the way
35:53
Speaker 2: she's talking. But to me, it's just giving me the eck.
35:58
Speaker 2: If your relationship and your life is so good with Johnny,
36:03
Speaker 2: then quilp telling us all about it all the time,
36:06
Speaker 2: like exactly, I get it. But a part of this
36:11
Speaker 2: that really made me. I took my sadness about the
36:15
Speaker 2: whole situation away. But when Tarama says, when you break
36:19
Speaker 2: off an engagement, you usually give the ring back, But
36:22
Speaker 2: how the fuck are you gonna give a face back?
36:24
Speaker 3: Right? I gagged. That's why it was a better deal.
36:28
Speaker 3: It's better than a ring for sure. Oh my god,
36:34
Speaker 3: that was so funny. That was so good.
36:36
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my gosh, like we all know, just Tarma,
36:39
Speaker 2: she did him good.
36:40
Speaker 3: She did him good.
36:41
Speaker 2: That was a good one. But then somebody is also
36:45
Speaker 2: going to have to tell me who the how Alexi is,
36:47
Speaker 2: because why is Alexis keep referring to see that way exactly?
36:51
Speaker 3: So now it's Alexi and Johnny, right.
36:53
Speaker 2: But like I really I'm trying, I'm really really trying
36:59
Speaker 2: to go in one. I don't like when people talk
37:02
Speaker 2: about themselves and the third person, even with a nickname
37:05
Speaker 2: or without a nickname. But when I'm talking about myself,
37:08
Speaker 2: I just say myself. I'm not like and then Teddy
37:11
Speaker 2: was all or TJ or Teddy Joe or It's just like,
37:16
Speaker 2: stop right, you're bugging me. I want to give you
37:20
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt, Lexi. Lex Alexis right, but
37:26
Speaker 2: you're bugging. You are bugging, and tamra Is says a
37:30
Speaker 2: funny comment, but then Lexi's right back to just drilling
37:34
Speaker 2: in her points. We're like, maybe take yourself a little
37:37
Speaker 2: as serious and have a little fun with it. But
37:41
Speaker 2: she's not.
37:44
Speaker 3: No, she's not. She gets the dinner and she has
37:46
Speaker 3: the same kind of behavior, so.
37:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, she doubles down. Then all the women, including Vicki
37:51
Speaker 2: and Alexis, meet for Gina's dinner party. Alexis asks Katie
37:55
Speaker 2: why she wasn't invited, Like, you already know why you
37:58
Speaker 2: weren't invited, told you the attention, please. Katie says she
38:05
Speaker 2: didn't want Shannon to feel underwater. Then Alexis says to Vicki,
38:10
Speaker 2: look who's in my world now? I mean, I guess
38:15
Speaker 2: Alexas I don't know. I guess that some people may
38:18
Speaker 2: have chuckled at that line. I didn't.
38:22
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like Alexis has been watching these shows
38:25
Speaker 3: and kind of like recording everything in her mind, and
38:28
Speaker 3: she's like throwing all these lines and things like that happened, like,
38:31
Speaker 3: you know, in previous seasons when she was on, because
38:34
Speaker 3: they flashed back to that moment where Vicky how to
38:37
Speaker 3: use that line, so then she's kind of like using
38:39
Speaker 3: it against her.
38:41
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, either Alexis has been watching these
38:45
Speaker 2: shows and is like trying to come in with the
38:47
Speaker 2: funny one liners but that are coming off not so funny,
38:51
Speaker 2: or she's like has like a funny publicist that she
38:55
Speaker 2: like is helping her come up with like the right liners.
38:58
Speaker 2: Like you always know when there's the hell life that
39:00
Speaker 2: has those like quippy little things to say, but then
39:03
Speaker 2: they can't deliver it properly, so you're like.
39:06
Speaker 3: Uh huh, but yeah, how did you feel about VICKI
39:11
Speaker 3: showing up? Did you think that that was going to happen?
39:13
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes it's kind of like you feel it
39:16
Speaker 3: or you know something's coming, but I really didn't, you know,
39:19
Speaker 3: expect her to be there, But Tamra did make a
39:22
Speaker 3: point that Shannon brought her, you know, to feel comfortable,
39:28
Speaker 3: but comfortable, right, you know, she felt, you know, and
39:30
Speaker 3: not a blame her. I mean, she had to walk
39:32
Speaker 3: into like a shark tank, so she was like, Okay,
39:34
Speaker 3: you can come with me. And maybe Vicky also wanted
39:37
Speaker 3: to be part of it and have something to say
39:39
Speaker 3: to Tamra as well, and just she wanted to be there. Yeah,
39:43
Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was a good move by
39:44
Speaker 3: the way.
39:45
Speaker 2: I thought it was smart to bring Vicky. I mean,
39:47
Speaker 2: even though Vicky can drive me crazy, like she's definitely
39:50
Speaker 2: entertaining television, she is, she's entertaining. Tamra says, Shannon brought
39:56
Speaker 2: Vicky to do her dirty work, so she can. You know,
40:00
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it was a combination. I
40:03
Speaker 2: think that Shannon knew she wasn't going to be able
40:05
Speaker 2: to take this conversation, and she knew that Vicky wouldn't
40:09
Speaker 2: be able to help herself.
40:12
Speaker 3: So that's exactly what happened.
40:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also clearly the trace Amiga split had just happened,
40:19
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that.
40:20
Speaker 3: It was perfect that it was uh huh, Yeah, I
40:23
Speaker 3: felt that too.
40:25
Speaker 2: But then This is where I feel like Vicky shouldn't
40:27
Speaker 2: have done this. I don't think Vicky did Shannon en
40:30
Speaker 2: of service here when Vicky says to Shannon, you have
40:34
Speaker 2: permission to drink, like, just let it be. If she
40:36
Speaker 2: wants to order a drink, she'll order a drink. But like,
40:38
Speaker 2: now you're making a thing of it. Yeah, And then
40:43
Speaker 2: Tamra says, oh, yeah, an alcoholics should drink. But I
40:49
Speaker 2: think we get a peek at you know, one you
40:53
Speaker 2: can see that Tamra's upset and all of this triggers
40:56
Speaker 2: her because of the years and years in the past.
40:58
Speaker 2: But I think we get to see a peace hypocritical
41:01
Speaker 2: Vicky because first she gives Shannon permission to have a drink,
41:04
Speaker 2: and then when someone corrects her, she agrees and said
41:08
Speaker 2: Shannon doesn't need permission, Like, which is it, Vicky?
41:13
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I just thought it was a stupid
41:15
Speaker 3: common part of me because she set herself up to
41:18
Speaker 3: obviously this happening. You know, somebody crossed them, will who
41:21
Speaker 3: are you to give her permission? So like just the
41:23
Speaker 3: comment was not necessary, could have been avoided, and and
41:27
Speaker 3: then it made a thing of the drinking the drink
41:31
Speaker 3: to bring that up obviously, Yeah, and.
41:34
Speaker 2: I think that Vicky. I don't think Vicky's a dumb
41:36
Speaker 2: dumb I think that she knew that she would she
41:39
Speaker 2: should could say that and one of the girls would
41:41
Speaker 2: dig in on her. She didn't know who it was
41:42
Speaker 2: going to be, but somebody was going to get right then.
41:47
Speaker 3: The girls were really uncomfortable though, when all that was
41:50
Speaker 3: going on. You can see their faces like they were
41:52
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable.
41:53
Speaker 2: Well, I think that what if you were Shannon in
41:58
Speaker 2: that situation, would you order to drink.
42:04
Speaker 3: If I knew I wasn't an alcoholic, Yes, because if
42:07
Speaker 3: you know, you should usually alcoholics. I mean, I don't
42:10
Speaker 3: know about that, but what I've heard is that they
42:12
Speaker 3: just can't have one drink because then want more drinking,
42:15
Speaker 3: more drinking. So I don't have that problem. So if
42:18
Speaker 3: I knew that I wasn't an alcoholic, I know how
42:20
Speaker 3: to have just one drink. But again, I don't know
42:23
Speaker 3: what her condition is, So I don't know that she's
42:25
Speaker 3: just can't touch a drink because I'm not sure it'll
42:28
Speaker 3: make her want to have more drinking and then it
42:29
Speaker 3: becomes a problem or she's not doing it in front
42:33
Speaker 3: of the girls because obviously she doesn't want them to know,
42:36
Speaker 3: and she's like drinking, you know, secretly at our house.
42:38
Speaker 3: I don't have those details, so I don't know. I
42:41
Speaker 3: disagree with you. They shouldn't have made it a thing.
42:43
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have made it.
42:44
Speaker 3: I made that comment, But I also.
42:46
Speaker 2: Think if Shannon were to go into this differently and
42:48
Speaker 2: be like, listen, guys, do I realize that the past
42:51
Speaker 2: ten years, I've had extreme highs and extreme loves, I
42:56
Speaker 2: have drank too much. I've made mistakes. DUI was a
42:59
Speaker 2: complete wake up call. And now my goal and please
43:04
Speaker 2: tell me if I cross it is. I want to
43:06
Speaker 2: be able to see if I can socially drink and
43:08
Speaker 2: not try to.
43:09
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Maybe she'll do that one next episode.
43:12
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, just take ownership. Don't
43:15
Speaker 2: blame your exxes, don't blame Johnny, don't blame this, don't
43:18
Speaker 2: blame so and so, don't be mad at like, just know.
43:22
Speaker 3: But I feel really uncomfortable when these things are like
43:25
Speaker 3: on these shows, because you know, in other cities as well,
43:28
Speaker 3: drinking has been a problem for some cast members, and
43:31
Speaker 3: then they've made it that and then in your real life,
43:34
Speaker 3: if you really have a friend that's going through something
43:36
Speaker 3: like this, You're not going to talk to them like
43:37
Speaker 3: that and attack them that way. You're really going to
43:39
Speaker 3: want them to get help and you and you're can
43:42
Speaker 3: put your differences aside. You know, there's sometimes in life
43:45
Speaker 3: that even if you've had backstory, you know a lot
43:48
Speaker 3: of like mess ups up and you really want to
43:50
Speaker 3: help the person. You're not going to get a result
43:53
Speaker 3: by like insulting somebody and calling them an alcoholic if
43:55
Speaker 3: they really are an alcoholic. You know, you're going to
43:58
Speaker 3: hurt them and they're going to get defensive and they're
44:00
Speaker 3: they're gonna not own it or fight you on. It's
44:02
Speaker 3: just like it's just like hard to watch. For me,
44:04
Speaker 3: it was like hard to watch, especially because I knew
44:06
Speaker 3: there were friends before, so it just I don't know,
44:09
Speaker 3: it makes me kind of sad and I'm surprised every
44:11
Speaker 3: time they meet it's going to be the same thing.
44:13
Speaker 3: So it starts getting like uncomfortable. So either Shannon owns it,
44:17
Speaker 3: like you said, so, either Shannon owns it and says, listen,
44:19
Speaker 3: you know, she comes clean. You know, maybe she'll do that.
44:23
Speaker 2: I think, And but I think what ends up fucking
44:26
Speaker 2: over the situation is during the five Months off where
44:30
Speaker 2: Shannon continued like to call Tamra a drunk. So then
44:35
Speaker 2: now you've got not only a friend that has been
44:37
Speaker 2: pushed to their their end, now all of a sudden,
44:41
Speaker 2: instead of taking accountability for your own actions, you're pointing
44:43
Speaker 2: fingers yet another person that.
44:45
Speaker 3: You said, right, yeah, she's projecting it onto her. Well
44:48
Speaker 3: that's what a lot of people do, like when they're
44:50
Speaker 3: at fault, you know, they're projected onto the other person.
44:52
Speaker 3: Well what about you, Like, you know, you're a drunk too,
44:54
Speaker 3: and that way you take off the attention offer yourself.
44:57
Speaker 3: That happens a lot, like you know on our shows. Yeah,
44:59
Speaker 3: you know obviously, because that's how you defend yourself. Which
45:02
Speaker 3: I agree. I'm like, you know, we're very like open
45:05
Speaker 3: and we would rather just be open about it and say, listen,
45:09
Speaker 3: this is what it is and that's it. She would
45:11
Speaker 3: put it to rest. But by not admitting to it
45:13
Speaker 3: or taking it a responsibility, you're going to keep coming
45:16
Speaker 3: after her. Yeah.
45:17
Speaker 2: And I think as a friend, and if you have
45:19
Speaker 2: seen a friend drinking for years and years and years
45:22
Speaker 2: and it's created lots of turmoil in their life, I
45:26
Speaker 2: think you do have a right to put boundaries up.
45:29
Speaker 2: Do I think the delivery was not ideal?
45:31
Speaker 3: Yes, clearly it wasn't ideal.
45:34
Speaker 2: It was not ideal. But I do think that's you know,
45:38
Speaker 2: different personality types. And I think when you get hit
45:42
Speaker 2: like your at your wits end and you feel like
45:44
Speaker 2: you've ben push push push, that is some people's way
45:46
Speaker 2: of handling is like, you know what, fuck this, I'm
45:48
Speaker 2: going to throw it all out there because I'm done.
45:52
Speaker 2: But then Jen and Katie acting like two little muppet
45:55
Speaker 2: men in the theater during the whole dinner was like
45:58
Speaker 2: the perfect balance for me during all of this.
46:01
Speaker 3: I was so cute. Yeah, they were cute.
46:04
Speaker 2: But then this is another hypocritical Vicky moment. Vicky stands
46:09
Speaker 2: up and says she's sick of the fighting, and Emily
46:12
Speaker 2: brings up Vicky posting about Tamra being a trader, and
46:15
Speaker 2: Tamra says she didn't feel comfortable doing a show after
46:18
Speaker 2: Shannon crashed her car into a house drunk. Tamra says,
46:21
Speaker 2: I'm not a trader, I'm a faithful I just voted
46:24
Speaker 2: you two out of my life. And then Vicky says
46:28
Speaker 2: Shannon went to rehab and Tamra says it was therapy.
46:31
Speaker 2: Shannon says she couldn't drink in her program. Tamra says,
46:35
Speaker 2: that's a lie. I think I love Emily's ability to
46:38
Speaker 2: call people on their shit, whether they're friends or not.
46:43
Speaker 2: She goes from disagreeing with Tamar on Shannon's habits to
46:47
Speaker 2: defending Tamra against Vicky No more Gomblson Like. Then Vicky
46:52
Speaker 2: goes up and does this whole speech about Jesus Christ
46:57
Speaker 2: and follower and the blah, well, I'm.
46:58
Speaker 3: Saying faith and we have to you know, support each
47:00
Speaker 3: other and we have to be here for the women.
47:02
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's kind of like against like a lot
47:05
Speaker 3: of her behavior in the past. But you know, maybe
47:08
Speaker 3: she did have like that Kumbaya moment, like at that moment,
47:11
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you have to be like for us,
47:14
Speaker 3: you know, like that to that point that you're like,
47:16
Speaker 3: you know, what, what are we doing? But it was fake.
47:20
Speaker 3: I thought that it was kind of real. I mean,
47:22
Speaker 3: I don't think it. It didn't seem fake to me.
47:25
Speaker 2: Vicky. If you no longer want any drama in your life,
47:28
Speaker 2: if you want to lure you there, then why the
47:31
Speaker 2: hell are you there? And if you're there solely to
47:34
Speaker 2: be a good friend to Shannon. We already fucked that
47:36
Speaker 2: up by bringing up the drink in front of the table,
47:39
Speaker 2: So I'm.
47:40
Speaker 3: Right your case, that is true.
47:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then Tamra questions why Shannon had to pay
47:45
Speaker 2: for everything, but John took seventy five k from him?
47:49
Speaker 2: Then this is all. This is fine now, But then
47:51
Speaker 2: Alexis the receipts, yes, part for the facelip, part for
47:57
Speaker 2: the loan, you know, I mean.
47:59
Speaker 3: John has been to me like Lenny on our show.
48:01
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't with this young man anymore. I mean,
48:04
Speaker 3: it's it's really like the whole story is like about him,
48:07
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.
48:08
Speaker 2: But at least if it was Lenny, Lenny could have
48:10
Speaker 2: done the facelift.
48:12
Speaker 1: Right.
48:13
Speaker 3: Do you think he's gonna want all of Lida stuff back?
48:16
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's crazy. But yeah, but you know
48:20
Speaker 3: what I mean, it's like the same John thing, the
48:22
Speaker 3: same John, because that's all comes out of Alexis's mouth.
48:25
Speaker 3: And what are the receipts? The fact that he gave
48:26
Speaker 3: her a check or wire to her account, we already
48:29
Speaker 3: know denying that exactly, She's saying, yes, he gave me
48:32
Speaker 3: the money. Yeah, it's not saying but you know what's
48:35
Speaker 3: a gift? Yeah, and I've given him a lot of
48:36
Speaker 3: things too, So you know what we're done. We're equal.
48:38
Speaker 3: That's it.
48:40
Speaker 2: Then Shannon leaves the right.
48:41
Speaker 3: I really don't want Shannon to give him back the money.
48:43
Speaker 3: I really don't. I'm telling you the truth.
48:45
Speaker 2: Why I think the courts are going to make those
48:47
Speaker 2: decisions not because.
48:48
Speaker 3: She's a housewife I love. Because she's a housewife and
48:52
Speaker 3: all the judges and legal people hate reality TV stars
48:55
Speaker 3: and believe me, mark my words, because there's no agreement there.
48:59
Speaker 3: They're not even It's not like I said verbally, because
49:01
Speaker 3: you know, verbal contracts can have you know, some sort
49:04
Speaker 3: of could be binded legally, but that's not the case.
49:08
Speaker 2: And this is this is a PSA at all houseld I.
49:11
Speaker 3: Hear say, she'd say, I mean, who cares? I mean,
49:13
Speaker 3: you don't know, you weren't there, You're.
49:15
Speaker 2: If you've been on Housewives multiple years, you can get
49:18
Speaker 2: free facelifts from good surgeons by just posting. So I'm never.
49:22
Speaker 3: Gonna say you can go to jail.
49:26
Speaker 2: Like did you you know do a trade like I
49:28
Speaker 2: have my neckflip. I posted about it.
49:31
Speaker 3: We're good, I'll know money they we need to talk.
49:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then Alexis tells Vicky there's more than what
49:40
Speaker 2: Shannon has told her. Either way, that was money well spent.
49:45
Speaker 2: But then some of the women are like, we didn't
49:46
Speaker 2: even know she had a facelift, which goes back to
49:48
Speaker 2: like Shannon giving that's a compliment.
49:52
Speaker 3: No, but that's a compliment. Well, they didn't know she
49:54
Speaker 3: had a facelift because it looks so natural and it
49:56
Speaker 3: looks so good. Yeah, you don't have a facelift and
49:58
Speaker 3: look like somebody else, a look like the formed person.
50:01
Speaker 3: So she looks so good, she looks so natural. So
50:03
Speaker 3: they didn't know she had to face it. So to me,
50:05
Speaker 3: that's a compliment not knowing that you got to face it.
50:07
Speaker 3: You should want to look natural.
50:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. Then Sannon says she could release something
50:12
Speaker 2: worse about John, proving he's a monster. Shannon says she
50:16
Speaker 2: can't say anything since he file a lawsuit. Tamer tells
50:20
Speaker 2: Vicky she wasn't the reason she backed out of Trace
50:22
Speaker 2: Amiga's it was Shannon. Vicky says Tamar needs to support her.
50:27
Speaker 2: Tammer says Vicki is enabling her and she needs help
50:29
Speaker 2: with her drinking. And then Alexi Alexis says, lie, her
50:34
Speaker 2: face needs to stop talking. Emily thinks Alexis is doing
50:38
Speaker 2: herself a disservice by being John's defender. And then Vicky
50:42
Speaker 2: tells the women this is disgusting and they not all
50:45
Speaker 2: need to be kind to one another as women of faith,
50:48
Speaker 2: and then Heather and Emily agree that's hypocritical. So do
50:51
Speaker 2: the editors because then they show all this, but also
50:53
Speaker 2: and one last point and then you can you go.
50:56
Speaker 2: But if Vicky really didn't want to be about the
51:00
Speaker 2: drama when she saw Shannon walk away from that table upset,
51:03
Speaker 2: I would have.
51:04
Speaker 3: Walked with her.
51:05
Speaker 2: I would have waked her.
51:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I did that with Marisol. I had a
51:09
Speaker 3: similar situation like that, and I was I wanted to
51:12
Speaker 3: stay because I was not afraid, and I was like,
51:14
Speaker 3: I can stay here. But I left after Marisol because
51:17
Speaker 3: Marisola wanted to leave and she felt uncomfortable, and I
51:20
Speaker 3: went with my friend and I want my friend. And
51:22
Speaker 3: that's what Biggie should have done. She stayed there just
51:25
Speaker 3: because she wanted to be part of the trouble and
51:28
Speaker 3: kind of like have a moment. And then just after
51:31
Speaker 3: she said everything just walked out and encouraged them all
51:33
Speaker 3: to be friends and loving and kind and have faith.
51:36
Speaker 3: I was like, what it is.
51:38
Speaker 2: Bullshit, Like you stayed here because you wanted to get
51:40
Speaker 2: a reaction out of Alexis and Tarmera and whoever else.
51:44
Speaker 3: I did like that you saw, you know, the little
51:46
Speaker 3: conversation between Tamra and VICI you know where Tamra explained.
51:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that it made it any better,
51:52
Speaker 3: but you know, I thought that was I think they.
51:55
Speaker 2: Just all have such a long history and they know
51:57
Speaker 2: so much about each other, and they know, you know,
52:01
Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and the ugly. And I think
52:03
Speaker 2: that's why we've loved watching these this friendship throughout the years. Yes,
52:07
Speaker 2: but I think now is you know, it really is
52:10
Speaker 2: hard when you see people heading their breaking point.
52:13
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean I feel maybe Vicky and Tamrock
52:16
Speaker 3: can come together and if they really do love and
52:18
Speaker 3: care for Shannon and she does have a problem with drinking,
52:22
Speaker 3: that they could help her.
52:23
Speaker 2: But I think it's really hardy gone the other way.
52:26
Speaker 2: Vicky is now doubling down on tam Like it's just
52:29
Speaker 2: I don't want to be so biased, but it's like
52:31
Speaker 2: I think at this point the trace of megas is
52:35
Speaker 2: a toxic three so done.
52:37
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, we don't want that. We don't want
52:39
Speaker 3: a three someme to be toxic.
52:40
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, no, I mean only only good threesomething, right,
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Speaker 2: But I am yeah. I think I think the biggest
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Speaker 2: issue in closing is Vicky thinks Shannon can drink and
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Speaker 2: Tarmor doesn't. So I think they're not going to agree
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Speaker 2: on that point. But I also it.
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Speaker 4: Also, by the way, if I were Shannon, I would
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Speaker 4: leave those scenes and I would just like drink a
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Speaker 4: whole bottle of tequila because honestly, like you know what
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Speaker 4: that is to be like, not seeing with those women
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Speaker 4: and they're attacking you and telling you things.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I think these women are driving Shannon to drink.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a lot, a lot.
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Speaker 2: But I think also Shannon can just say what she
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Speaker 2: wants to do on her own to the group and
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Speaker 2: say where she is and what she's doing, and then
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Speaker 2: they don't have the option to comment on it. If
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Speaker 2: you comment on yourself and you make a declaration on
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Speaker 2: where you are and say to your friends, guys, I know,
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Speaker 2: I know I've.
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Speaker 3: Done one hundred you have to own it, but I'm
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Speaker 3: not ready.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see. I think it's definitely heating up.
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Speaker 2: It is definitely heating up.
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Speaker 3: It is I'm having fun watching now, my.
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Speaker 2: Gosh, I know we're hooked. We're hooked. I'm taking notes,
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. All right, thanks you guys for tuning
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Speaker 2: in to another episode of The Tatoo Cheese, and thanks
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Speaker 2: for all your hot takes
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Speaker 1: Mhm