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#215 - Identiverse 2023 Opening Festivities · Identity at the Center

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This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with I
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am this is the go-to podcast. Now your host Jim McDonald and
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Jeff Steadman welcome to the identity of Center podcast I'm
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Jeff and that's Jimmy jump. Hey Jeff, how are you?
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I'm pretty darn good, how are you?
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Fantastic man. Were sitting here doing a Live
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studio audience, recording at identifiers 2023, a Wandering
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studio audience with people kind of coming through the hallway
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here. Hey, that's kind of what we hope
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for, right, right. It was that we would have people
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kind of like poke their head in yeah, they're literally Four or
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five people watching sort of and having conversations around us,
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but we'll have people dropping in, as we're kind of going
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through here. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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And I don't know if you noticed this, but on my badge, it says,
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press / analyst, so does, what do you say mine, too.
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Yeah. So, you know, another thing was
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when they checked in, they had various, what do you call it
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that you put on the bottom of your badge?
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They're like little flags that hang off the bottom.
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Yeah, it's like a little flyer seen something like first-timers
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speakers and stuff. You just take the ones you
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wanted. Oh really that?
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Look like it. We collect them like Pokemon.
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I didn't take one first time speaker something like that.
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Yeah, right. Exactly why I definitely give a
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shout-out to the CRA because they have definitely hooked us
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up here. I'm sitting here we've got like
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this little table and chairs set up in the hallway.
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Just outside the Expo and between the keynote.
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Great location. Ian is waiting in the wings have
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a seat. Ian, we're ready to go.
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We're already recording, we're doing it live.
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There's like a I don't know what we call it like some Nurse, I'm
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kind of electric behind us. They has, like, our logo on it.
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We showed up as like media sponsors, which is very cool.
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So, shout out to CRA for. He'll get us all this up.
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Wendy was amazing. So definitely think you to wind
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when. Yeah.
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Where are your friends of the show?
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Stopped by saw that that sign out there and said well you guys
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are big time now, you know, some definitely feel that way.
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Yeah, I don't know what we are but it is something so, Ian,
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Glaser has joined us. Welcome.
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Hello gentlemen. I know that you've been setting
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the scene for the homeless nur's how we About Jim suit.
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No, we have not feel really emotional time.
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Yes, right. It is, it is absolutely lovely.
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Thanks, absolutely love. How would you describe that
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Colour? Baby?
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Blue, sky blue. I think it's more sky but like
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you know there's people that have like super tasters and
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super smells like thinking delineate between the and
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there's the same thing with color.
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I am not one of those people. So like I'm gonna go back to I
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don't know the Crayola 64 box of like he's blue, it's just blue.
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You're like you know because I'm a wd you to look at It's blue.
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No, it's actually quite lovely. Yes, I'm jealous and the shoes.
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Well, I was thinking uses your as you are now as your.
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I don't think it's Azure or as you were whatever is that like a
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darker blue? I think you said of Sky Blues as
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your it would. I have to like pay you like
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every time I see it Jim suiter-ocuto through the
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pandemic. When's the last time you handled
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cash, but that's an entirely different episode cash is over.
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Do you got a stalker behind you? That David Lee.
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I'm right behind you. David doesn't know that we're
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recording the identity. Joe Knows.
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So guys, holy have you been in? I Justice, I walk out of the,
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the show floor. And all I keep coming back to
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you is Seinfeld who are all these people?
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There are so first up, there's just a lot of attendees.
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Awesome, great Vibe. But the number of companies were
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I'm looking at going. I got no idea who you are, what
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you do and that is awesome. That's cool, right?
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That is super awesome. Same thing as a couple hours
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ago, Lance Peterman. And Espen Bago we're doing
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interior to Identity sort of Like The Perennial Ida Pro
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section that we've done over the years study room, only, and I
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just walked by and, like, people are out the door.
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I was one of those. I was just, oh my God.
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Like that's that's the point. Like, that's the point of what
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we've been doing. Like that's just so awesome.
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So yeah, that's the biggest identifiers conference so far at
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least that's what Andy said up on them.
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Opening keynote, which I believe there's got.
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Be, what couple thousands British, he's trustworthy
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because you have an accent That's how you know, right.
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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It's yeah, it's cool. I have not yet managed to the
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expo hall. So I'm looking forward to.
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This is my favorite part about going to conferences is seeing
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the stuff that I've never heard of.
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That's the best part and I love the because what I'd love to
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hear for folks. I've never seen never met, don't
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know what they do is the origin story of like okay, there had to
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have been something. You was the founder, you as the
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CTO or that funder that happened.
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You're like, I see this and I gotta, I gotta scratch this
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itch, right? There's got to be a way to do
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something about this. I love to know some of these
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origin stories of companies. I have never heard of and be
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like, what was that story? Right?
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Because some of those origin, stories are hilarious and
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amazing. And you're like, this is how you
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gotta do this. The number of people are like,
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well, I started to do this and then I just got sucked into
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identity. It's like yeah, welcome, that's
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how most people got it. That's my, that's my theory is
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most people didn't choose identity.
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No chose them. Yes, especially of a certain age
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if you're younger maybe but as a bowler hat I would love to in my
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career get to a point where I start talking to people to say
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yeah I picked this. Mmm I picked this as a thing.
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I want to see my major in college.
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Oh my God that's you're crazy man.
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But that's what that's what Lance is trying to do and UNC
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Charlotte and others have like that would be my gosh.
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But just to hear someone say like, you know, you know I
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worked at At the, it help desk in college and I was doing.
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I was Manning the password reasons.
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But like I learned about that and I'm like I want to get into
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this thing so I don't know. It would be an awesome time to
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start speaking to those people and I bet you they walk among us
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silently, unbeknownst to us in various disguise.
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I've been coming to anniversary while.
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I think you have to how many identifiers and what's the
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plural for identi versus is it? I is it.
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I don't oversee. I think every 10 identifiers is
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measured as a CIS it's like a weird through Back measurement.
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I am pretty sure I've been to Eight or nine of them, something
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like that. I don't.
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So wait, this is the night, write this, I think so.
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This is the night. Yeah, I think I've been to seven
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because I missed the last order. This is the ninth for Andy.
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So I get a little confused here. I have been to almost all
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identity versus assistances and many of the cloud identity
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Summits, but not all I missed like one or two.
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So I've been to a couple It's safe to say I'm sorry.
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That was a really long answer that if that's, so the answer is
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nine. Yeah, yeah.
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So it's probably fun. So, I'm looking around and we've
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got some people who are kind of watching us.
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I don't see any first-time Badgers.
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So you guys have been to identify verse before
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first-timer. They didn't give you a little
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sticker. All right, we just chose not to.
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Okay. No first time Self Service a
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that's why I was telling you. Yeah, okay.
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So who's been to identify this before?
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No one all fresh fresh meat for identity?
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Oh my goodness. What do you guys think so far?
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They love it. It's great.
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That isn't Gartner. Okay.
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Well I have friends of guard. Also, try not to kill any more
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thing is definitely different audio.
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Yeah sure. Yeah.
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It's the doers in the idea of there being have there been
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master classes. There was some today earlier
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today. Yeah.
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That seems to be the theme. Is that like there were for
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everything was fall? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, there are a lot of people walk around who can go as deep
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as you humanly want to go and then then some which is, you
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know, great. Oh yeah, attack of the standards
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part 2. They never left.
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I like how the agenda goes from like 8:00 a.m. to 7:30 8:00.
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It's like Jim Abbott observe its day one.
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So when you say, I like that, that's true.
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I'm going to talk to you on Thursday.
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See how you're like? No, no, I got it.
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I was being a little facetious. I'm wondering how many people
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actually make it, make it where, from 8 to 80, well, it's Vegas.
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And then time has no construct here.
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It's you wake up and then you go to sleep.
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The time is irrelevant. It's just what happened in
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between and there's plenty of oxygen being pumped in from here
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to every room. Yeah they have you guys you know
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like the smartest you will ever be is walking into a conference
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room because if you sit there for 23 hours carbon dioxide
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builds up and you're just dumb as a stone by the end.
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And so the whole model of like sitting in a big room with a
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bunch of people like we're going to make a big decision.
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It didn't look like no, that's a horrible idea.
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Make it up further than right, The Narrative of how you got to
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it afterwards and it will sound amazing.
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But otherwise no, it's a clown show.
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Like Towards the end of it, same thing here, but one of the
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favorite things that I have so far noticed is some of the
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conference rooms at least upstairs.
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Yeah. Socially distant seating.
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And I'm not sure who came up with the official measurement to
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say that this chair is socially distant from another chair and
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it's maybe three feet apart. So does that mean you're safer?
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If you're not sitting that's emotionally distant.
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Yeah, that okay. Then, socially distance is
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actually a different measure really here to solve identity
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problems. Exactly what our challenge is,
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we're not going even try to get into that one.
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So Ian tell us about your sessions this week, you've got
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one called ceremonies ceremony's tomorrow at Eleven Forty in
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Jupiter. Something to let's go to sounds
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like a good number isn't that lost in space?
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Oh interesting poll. Hmm, you're on the internet, you
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tell us. Yeah.
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So I'm going to talk about actually had I known, I may have
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modified my presentation before it seeing Andres keynote I'm
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going to talk a little bit about recognition which is a pick that
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came up. Time and time again, but at a
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cloud identity Summit, which was the precursor, for those who
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haven't been to our Denver's, that offee Clannad energy Summit
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was sort of the precursor to this.
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An in Keystone Colorado. My good friend and mentor and
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somewhat boss Bob Blakely gave a talk about recognition how one
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recognizes someone else and it was super impactful for me and
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I've been thinking about this and combined with the notion of
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Ceremonies is something that can Cameron sort of brought to the
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conversation. I was like this seems like this
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could be fun and then I had to write it and it was different.
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E fun. No.
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I'm so it's a lot of its it is talking about how we do things
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in the real in the analog world. How many things in the digital
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world, and the difference between the two and why that
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matters and how we Shore up that distance.
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Then on Thursday, I've the keynote panel and I have the
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distinct honor of being on stage with some amazing people and
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including someone who doesn't get a lot of air time in my own
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backstory but a doctor Heather Hinton.
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Who is the sizzle at Patriot? Me Heather was at IBM and we got
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acquired. The company was that got
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Acquired and IBM and she and others pulled me into working on
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a patent for Federated provisioning.
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It was meant to become WS provisioning.
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There's gonna be a WS star for old-school.
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This is basically angle bracket standards for provisioning And I
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knew nothing about the patent process.
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I mean, I was a kid, like I knew nothing about Pata.
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None of these things. Yeah.
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But how cool is that to be involved with that at such an
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early stage? I thought it was a lot of
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paperwork in a pain in the ass back then because I was a dumb
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kid. Probably still is.
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But yeah, yeah. But I like the fact that I get
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to be on stage with her now and just like anchor for that, we're
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going to talk about beat that concept of.
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Should there be a chief digital identity officer?
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And I so I suggested this topic to a Andy into the, the
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conference folks like great idea.
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I don't like I probably have an opinion about this in the
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project you vacillating about where I fall on it, whether it's
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a good idea, it's not what should be in scope.
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What should be out of scope, we only have a half an hour, we're
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only gonna scratch the surface. I think it's really fun, it's an
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amazing panel and that's it. So just to, that's all people
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need to hear from. I called that one out, we
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recorded a show Friday that went live yesterday in the real
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world, and that was one of the such that I called out.
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Because I think anything that gets identity up the food chain
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within an organization is great because a lot of times were
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buried beneath a sea. So or it or maybe audit or risk
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or something like that. And anything that moves us up
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gives us more power to be able to do the things that we know we
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should be doing. And hopefully that gets the
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recognition. I think the Undiscovered come
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sort of country for us as an industry, is our relationship
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with the chief digital officer and chief marketing officer.
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And if we're part of the scissors organization, let's say
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or even the seals organization would not gonna build the same
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peer relationship with them. And so, this is the part where
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I'm like, oh I think we really should have a relationship
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because of all the touch points in a digital engagement Journey
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that you would Want an identity practitioner riding just
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alongside your digital person. But I don't know, I don't know.
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So would you just so? Somebody said, all right.
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Ian, you're our first Chief identity officer.
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What do you do? Like, how do you describe that
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to somebody? I think the way I would talk
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about it is for, what do I have? Custodia little responsibility.
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I am responsible for information about our employees, our
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contractors and what they can do.
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I am responsible for our customer information and how we
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manage our customers and their engagement.
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Now, that's where things get dicey, because does that mean Do
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you want ERM? That's our customer data you're
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working. Maybe that's where our a chart
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like that boundary. Like, that's the part where I
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get in tripped up, but I would talk about like I have a
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responsibility to these constituents and it's our
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Workforce is our contractors, our customers.
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I think that's how I would talk about it.
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No one's hiring me for the job yet, so, I don't know.
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But like, if you know anyone's got ideas, I'm all yours.
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Create the position that you want, is the way it manifested,
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right? Is that Manifest Destiny is what
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we're talking about here. We want to have, you know, Chief
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I Any officer, oh Victoria who showed up in the crowd, he's
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taking pictures of us. Course, he's tasting pictures
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because he thinks we're an appetizer like nuts.
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I got it online. Yeah.
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Well Jeff, you know what I think is really cool is that we were
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able to have Ian here on our kickoff show we're going to have
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them on this own show. We're going to record that on
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Thursday and we didn't touch on any of the topics that we're
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going to talk about. No that's pretty awesome because
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that's a thank you for the prompts and because now I have
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to go and prep my answers for What the heck I'm going to say
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on Thursday but guys have a great show.
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You going to talk to like a billion people and I will see
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you guys Thursday and answered in the hallways and you should
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come to the seat backs. I can't hear you.
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I think everyone to come on. Come on.
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You should come sit here. Next is open mic nights on the
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identity of the center of this gentleman.
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Andrew Cameron has far more to say about everything that I do
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and everyone should go see his talking.
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Japan went from GM. That's him.
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I don't think we've met in person yet but what time very
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prolific 10:30 Andrew Cameron. What room?
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Know? What room are you in in our
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room? In a room sunroom and the place
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in the area? Yeah, Jupiter see.
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Now he's gonna tag on his badge and Purdue you've got alumni on
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yours and you've got speakers. We discussed fan out, Andrews
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doing it right. You're supposed to be collect
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these badges, like Pokemon and just stick them all over right
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there, but you can't do a long night and first-timer because
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then they can see each other outside.
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That's a, that's the conversation starter with that.
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Yeah, okay. Thanks Ian talk to you later.
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ER, so that was kind of cool thanks again for joining us as
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he sachets away to his next engagement.
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I want to talk about something that happened to me Monday
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night. When I landed and I met my
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brother, he picked me up from the airport.
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We went to dinner someplace. Was it good?
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It was amazing. And I don't know if enough
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people not to so I've been coming to Vegas for 1516 year.
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Something long time, but I've never been further north than
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the Wynn Casino or whatever it may be, and he took me to a
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place called Ahern. It's a hotel like next to the
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Strat. I don't know if he knows it
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because it doesn't have a casino.
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So it's not popular, but it's just the hotel and inside,
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there's a restaurant, it's called atomo, Gourmet, Kitchen,
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and Pizzeria. And I gotta tell you the best
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chicken I've ever had in my entire life.
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Fantastic. And It's just a little
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restaurant. It's inside this hotel, Simon
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casino on the Strip. So that's my Spanish chicken.
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You've ever had no eyes and my chick on the Strip, on the Vegas
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Strip, on the Vegas Strip. It was, it was at the Ahern
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Hotel. Have you ever heard of the
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Ahern? We have a mystery guest who's
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joined us on the mic and screwed up it just a little bit closer,
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or if we can kind of figure it out.
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Yeah. Well we'll do that.
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We're all doing it live. Just like that good.
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Yeah, that's fine. And yeah.
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So have you ever heard of the Ahern?
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Yeah. Okay.
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Nobody has and could tell because there's nobody in it and
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there's no casino but it has this amazing restaurant.
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So I'm encouraging people get out, try Autumn.
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Oh, they're not sponsoring, I don't separate podcast.
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Yeah, that really good chicken and you know when I say I'm good
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chicken wow. What is your favorite food?
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Chicken and waffles is like my thing.
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So whenever we travel I try to find the best chicken waffles so
18:46
far the reigning Champion is actually at the Venetian.
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Thursday night, I'm going to be over at Yardbird before we do,
18:52
karaoke getting Chicken and Waffles because that's my jam
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but this was world class for sure.
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And so you can of are dropping. Yes, I don't know if we can use
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names. Protect protect the guilty and
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or innocence can we just call your mystery guest?
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So we know. Listen, I just happened to be
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walking by. Yeah guys pulled me over.
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Yes. So how's it going?
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How's it going? Is this your first?
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I'd ever see my very first identifiers and what do you
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think? I've been wanting to come here
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for many many years and former lives and never got here?
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I do, it's early for me, I think, you know, plus day one.
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It's day. One.
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Yeah. And I only really went to two
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sessions and one of which was like, super full.
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So, I couldn't even really get to that one button.
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It's great. You know what?
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I love, it's lots of people, I know already and it other
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conferences. I don't get a chance to talk to
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them. Yeah, because you're because you
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were running back and forth from one room to another room.
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I don't get a chance, but it's it's great.
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That's good. So did you get First-timer
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sticker for your badge. I did not.
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Okay. See our first timers are so left
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and right around here. Well, if it's your first time,
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how would you know that you have to put the fish on yourself?
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That's why I see so few of them the feedback.
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Yeah. You should have it on there.
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Yeah. There was a first-timer session
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earlier today. So for people who be honest, I
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wanted to check that out. Yeah but I didn't get here in
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time. Yeah.
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Okay it's cool. It's a good show.
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Definitely more for practitioners.
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We've been kind of talking about here.
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Or it's a different audience for sure.
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Compared to other conferences. That might might be part of this
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thing more technical. I think for sure, but it's good,
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it's fun. And it's like you said, it's
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like it's almost like a like a high school reunions to some
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degree with the people that you meet.
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And these are people that you only see, maybe once a year
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right at a conference maybe they're part of a slack channel
20:53
for ID Pro or doing something else and it's like oh yeah you
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start to get to know each other and yeah next thing you know
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it's like hey There's David, my new friend met him for the first
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time and hopefully, we'll see him in that the next identifiers
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or whatever it may be, right. Yeah.
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And that's how it works and the conference business because it's
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such especially the identity conference side of things
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because we're not talking, like, millions of people, like we're
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talking for the most part. Thousands that are congregating
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around here. Yeah, like 2,000 would you say?
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Yeah, I would say about 2,000, it's all my favorite things to
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do is the first is for the keynote is to try to figure out,
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okay, how many people are at table?
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How many? Tables.
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I'm a big as this room and I'm guessing around 2000 roughly.
21:34
It's the biggest identifies I'd been to for sure.
21:36
I think that's the biggest one so far.
21:38
What you think of the chemo? I thought it was great.
21:40
Under is awesome. Are you?
21:42
He's a great speaker. Always delivers really good
21:45
Insight. I'm always like listening, like,
21:49
you know, where are the things that I'm thinking?
21:51
Are they still validated it? Sounded like they were so that
21:54
made me happy. No, it was great.
21:58
Love the entertainment, the beginning.
22:00
I know someone is going to be very jealous that I work with
22:03
it. Really likes wants the music,
22:06
the Sinatra and just you know, just once more music and more
22:10
fun and Frolic. Yeah.
22:12
I thought was cool fireworks. Yeah, well, I don't play or
22:15
works but we do want to blow anything up.
22:17
Yeah. Do we?
22:19
Not know maybe to close things down?
22:22
Set things on fire? Yeah.
22:23
Like, when we were at OCTA gym, we did the octane conference
22:26
last year and we, they were nice enough to give us like a room to
22:29
report in and and we were sitting in a recording and
22:31
they're literally tearing the thing down around us as a
22:35
recording. And it was, it was an epic
22:37
experience but that's really kind of like leaving it out on a
22:40
high note. So yep.
22:41
That's the the mic Drop. Kick the mic.
22:43
Stand smashed a guitar. There's nothing left.
22:45
Yeah, it was good times. So you like the keynote, what
22:49
about other sessions that you're looking forward to?
22:54
So for me, it's a chance to go to hear other people that I know
22:59
and hear them speak. Right.
23:01
And get more down in the detail. Right because I never really get
23:05
a chance to do that. So I also want to make sure that
23:09
the things that I'm thinking about and writing about are
23:13
valid in the real world. Or is there something I'm
23:16
missing? Or, you know?
23:17
So hopefully in be going to be doing more listening than
23:20
talking, that'd be a nice change.
23:22
Yeah, a nice change of pace for you.
23:24
Right? Yeah.
23:25
Definitely. How much do sessions like are I
23:28
guess experience like this inform you.
23:30
On your day job, you talked about having, you know, sort of
23:35
influences maybe on some of the work that you do but are there I
23:39
guess, are there any examples where it's like, hey, yeah, this
23:42
is something that I thought was true in.
23:44
Listen, I just went by one of the booths and someone who I've
23:51
been having fair amount of sessions with was producing
23:54
something. And I said, hey, is this
23:57
something? Is this ready to go?
23:58
And they said, well, it's not ready but they saved.
24:00
Copy. So, I had him autograph it for
24:03
me. Autograph it.
24:05
Nice. Yeah.
24:07
But, you know what? That makes me feel good.
24:10
Like, I'm really helping someone tangibly, help someone, who can
24:14
deliver something. I mean, that's my job.
24:17
So you don't always get that feedback.
24:20
You get a lot of the problems, but you don't always know.
24:23
Did they take your advice? You're not right?
24:26
So we're like the doctor's office.
24:28
You come when you're sick, right?
24:30
Yeah. And we don't always often see if
24:32
for those well visits kind of thing and sometimes you can't
24:35
even describe. What's wrong.
24:36
So how are you supposed to diet? You know, how you supposed to
24:38
fix something? Yeah, So I've got a question,
24:43
it's a little bit off the conference object, but it's
24:47
Vegas in general. Are you a Vegas person?
24:49
Do you like it here? Yeah we've my husband and I when
24:53
they first started NASCAR races here like 1990, something or
24:57
other, we bought tickets. So we've been coming here.
25:01
We used to come here regularly, then it was super cheap to come
25:04
here and even though I went to the races once or twice, I
25:08
wasn't a big race person but I mean it was fun.
25:12
Um but yeah we come you know, once a year maybe for fun.
25:15
Hang out. Not huge gamblers.
25:18
More people watching stuff but it's super fun.
25:21
Yeah, I we used to have family out here too.
25:23
So now we don't anymore, but we still come.
25:26
So what tips do you have for people who maybe don't get out
25:30
to Vegas very often? Well, my little inside tip is if
25:36
you're on the strip and you want to go somewhere to find some
25:40
cheap drinks and you're not having to pay $20 a piece, get
25:45
in the cab and go somewhere else.
25:48
That's one good advice but I'm a strip.
25:50
This Casino Royale is on the Strip.
25:53
Anybody heard of Casino Royale? I know the movie, it's it's on
25:57
the other side of Harrah's, I think it is right as your other
26:01
side like flamingos. And then Harrah's and its really
26:05
the only kind of non big corporate Casino there.
26:10
And they used to have like, you know, two dollar beers and
26:13
stuff. They are dollar beers.
26:14
Now, they might be two or three or something and I didn't, I
26:18
think they took away their tables.
26:20
So I think they're getting kind of pushed out almost, you know,
26:24
like everything here is all. That's fun.
26:26
It's a, it's an Off the Strip but it's on the Strip kind of
26:31
place as a different vibe to it. That corporate.
26:34
Yes, exactly, right. And there's only a couple
26:36
casinos left that are right now. As I know.
26:41
Can you still get free drinks if you're gambling?
26:43
Yes. Is that a applied a slot
26:45
machines? Yes, that's assuming you just
26:48
don't get in touch service out there.
26:50
So what they do is you had a gig, put your order in and then
26:53
it's a half hour until you drink comes.
26:55
Yes. So when it comes, you stuck to
26:57
be on the same machine. And typically you're sitting
27:01
there waiting because you've already lost that money.
27:04
Yeah. You've lost. 150 bucks here.
27:06
Waiting for you. Three dollar.
27:07
Beer. Exactly leaving here
27:10
empty-handed. It's all I've done this before.
27:13
Yeah, yeah. Is there something the identity
27:17
world that you're looking forward to?
27:19
Here in general, just Nostradamus is Jim likes to call
27:24
this week. Definitely a couple stalks that
27:26
I'm really looking forward to a couple like from colleagues that
27:32
I used to work with. So I just I really want to hear
27:35
what they have to say. And for me, you know, I'm trying
27:38
to my ears are pierced for some certain things, and I'm just
27:43
wanting to really validate my thoughts.
27:47
Does that make sense? Yeah.
27:49
Yeah. Actually one of my thoughts
27:50
validated in Andre session where I'm actually working on an
27:54
e-book and the e-book is the expanding scope of digital
27:59
identity, and he pretty much said the scope of digital
28:03
identity is expanding. I'm like that validates.
28:05
What? I'm going to spend a lot of time
28:07
putting together, so I Denny's a fad.
28:11
It's gonna go away. It's like the internet.
28:12
Yeah, it's important. Well, there's been conferences
28:15
since 2006 at least. Maybe maybe before then so it's
28:23
just getting more and more complicated.
28:26
How about a I like? What's your sense of how AI is
28:30
going to impact? What we do and identity?
28:33
Yeah, I mean let's we think that AI for a while, right?
28:38
I mean it has been around what the definition.
28:40
I feel like it's changed. Well, it's generative now.
28:43
Yeah. Now it's now it's generative AI.
28:46
So is it going to impact? Yes, it is going to happen.
28:50
I'm kind of afraid that everything that's an innovation
28:53
gets called a, i We have this valid I mean, is that about or
29:00
what right? I think it's valid things that
29:03
are like business intelligence are not aii, right?
29:08
Well it's it could be. I think this is where the
29:11
definition has changed and before we get too far, we have a
29:13
new guest joining us. Megan is here.
29:15
Hello Megan. Hi, thanks for having me.
29:17
Yes, I okay, we got water. I'm good.
29:20
Yeah, we were talking about Ai and I feel like the definition
29:23
has changed because With the introduction of large language
29:27
models. What I think we used to consider
29:31
as AI isn't really any more, I think it's more as ml machine
29:35
learning, which is a subset of a.
29:36
I, so when I hear a vendor say, oh, we have ai in our thing.
29:42
Okay. Do you really because do you
29:45
have a chat GPT like thing in there or a Google bard or any of
29:49
the other large language models out there?
29:51
No, you probably don't. You're using some sort of
29:54
machine learning to do role-based access.
29:56
As control or something like that, which perfectly valid as a
29:59
thing like that. But one of the things that I'm
30:01
starting to really, kind of Grill vendors on is tell me
30:05
about your right? What is it actually doing?
30:07
Is it the the current definition of AI or is it the five year old
30:12
definition of a? I yeah, because I think within
30:14
the last six months with, you know, with the way things have
30:17
turned out with things like chat, GPT and open e, i and its
30:20
contemporaries. I don't think we can call it,
30:22
the Saints, not equivalent, it does, it not remind you of when
30:25
the word cloud Dad was interested.
30:27
Yeah, we're in the cloud. Yeah, we're not exactly.
30:30
It's just a new thing right? Exactly.
30:34
So Megan you're here you've got your doing a talk later this
30:37
week. Oh so I'm Megan Sheamus with the
30:40
fight Alliance I don't know. I've done two talks already
30:43
today so it's perfect timing. Your brain is like completely
30:48
using. So yeah so I this morning I was
30:51
talking to the women I and identity folks about the work
30:53
that fight Alliance is doing and how women are actually Ali
30:56
driving some of that stuff forward.
30:58
And then we had a great master class today on for the dev like
31:02
Dev Community about enabling phyto sign-ins for websites,
31:08
which was standing room. Only, it's actually been really
31:10
amazing the level of interest and excitement around the stuff
31:13
that the final lines is doing. And I can't wait.
31:16
So we have even more to come over the next couple days.
31:19
So you've had two talks already. Today, you're doing a third,
31:22
which is this podcast? And you've got more coming up.
31:25
We had we have many. I'm so happy that you asked.
31:29
So we have so our executive director and CMO is giving a
31:34
keynote tomorrow. Is that Anthem that's injured
31:36
shaky are here for another show. Current hold of the show.
31:39
Amazing amazing. Speaker, he's going to be doing
31:43
a keynote tomorrow at 8:30 so I hope folks can wake up bright
31:47
and early or maybe stay up all night and come and hang out 34
31:50
his keynote because he's gonna actually be making some kind of
31:53
cool and Announcements about some of the stuff that we're
31:55
doing and then Christian bran from Google.
31:59
So Google just actually announced their they rolled out,
32:02
passkey support across all of their Google accounts for
32:06
consumers so he's going to have a talk on passkeys tomorrow.
32:09
And then we have the ux session which is a master class.
32:14
So great. We've laid the foundation for
32:17
like safe and secure. Sign ins.
32:18
How do you make it really optimal for users to opt into
32:22
that? We did.
32:24
To research on that. And tomorrow, we're going to be
32:26
announcing the results of that a master class and then and you
32:30
take a breath because we just have so much going on here.
32:33
Andrew will be then hosting a fireside chat with some early
32:36
adopters of passkeys, including kayak Google and into it.
32:41
So I think that, you know, and out of ours, has been a really
32:46
great supporter of like the work that we're doing and they've
32:49
really embraced you guys. I mean, we partner with that
32:52
with identifiers and, you know, We're really mutually supportive
32:55
of all the stuff that we're doing.
32:56
But I think that the audience is just really clamoring for more
33:03
information about the work that we're doing, and it's been
33:06
amazing so far. And I've only been here for like
33:08
eight hours, so, Well, it's Katrina.
33:11
You're totally Trend upwards. I recently set up past key on my
33:15
Google account. Becky, have you set up passkeys
33:18
yet anything? If not, have you encountered any
33:21
counts that actually have support for it yet?
33:24
I mean I'm assuming you have a Google account but yes, yes, I'm
33:28
sure. I have, I give kudos honest, I
33:31
don't. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's great.
33:33
It is great. It works really well like
33:35
shockingly, right? For the way that, you know, the,
33:39
I think some of the tributaries. Because I've got there for an
33:40
employment standpoint. I went in, I signed up set up my
33:44
pass key and I was like, got it worked.
33:46
Yeah, so I definitely would encourage it.
33:49
Were you most surprised that there weren't any lack of
33:52
friction? Friction e, i was matched the
33:54
120% yeah prepared for like, all right, I'm gonna have to if this
33:58
is gonna screw up I'm gonna get locked out of my Gmail.
34:00
Yeah. Right.
34:00
You know, so I think it's good all wrong.
34:02
Let me get my, let me get all my secret backup codes collected,
34:05
like, you know, to make sure that I think it's really
34:07
interesting because in the ux research that we did, Did was
34:10
that like we found that people are actually surprised when
34:13
there's less friction there like this might be less secure
34:16
because I'm not doing like a million steps and it's it you
34:20
have to actually really educate them that no this is a first
34:25
factor that is way more secure than a password and that's it
34:29
and it's a new thing and it's going to take some time.
34:31
But like as I said, or I continue to say, we've only been
34:36
a year into this, we only announced passkeys one.
34:40
Year ago, we were talking about it last year at a Denver, so we
34:42
just announced it. So, like, tremendous amount of
34:46
momentum and movement forward in just a year, it will be Stay
34:52
tuned. Andrew has a really cool slide
34:53
about like years years. We've been dealing with things
34:56
in the like how don't steal his Thunder.
34:58
Weather alert. Hmm.
35:00
Becky got a jam. Okay she's out of here.
35:03
Our mystery guest. I just thanks Beck sort of named
35:06
her but we'll see. Yes, mystery guess.
35:07
So is Megan. Is this your first identifiers
35:10
conference that you've attended? Now this is my Fourth or fifth.
35:18
I want to say I don't averse. Chef is doing a bad check, to
35:21
make sure you're putting on a little Massacre on buddy.
35:27
Thank you. That's what I've been saying
35:29
really I'm in. Like so I find it ironic that,
35:31
you know, you know, we're at enough we're an identity
35:34
conference and we're not even aesthetic aiding our own badges.
35:37
I mean, how sad is that? You can go up there, any
35:39
imposter, anything you could throw, whatever stick that you
35:42
want on it? I'm just, it's actually an
35:44
interesting thing that you bring up because we actually Us our
35:46
own conference which is authenticate, which is taking
35:49
place in October. This is not a Shameless plug
35:51
although I do, we're going to shamelessly plug it because
35:53
we're going to be there but so we also like catch heat for
35:56
things like that and we have to when we're running events have
36:01
to. So like use tools that are maybe
36:03
not optimal to the kinds of authentication that we want to
36:07
deal with, right? So when you have to like
36:10
download the app and use a password, or you have like some
36:13
kind of magical Inca or something, is it optimal?
36:15
It is not. But we're working.
36:17
So we as fight Alliance so we use cvent for our event.
36:21
We're working with them to fight own able their platform because
36:24
we're like look like there's only so far.
36:26
We can go with this conference before.
36:28
People are like, why are we not using Fidos to sign into the
36:32
platform, right? So I think like, I got to give
36:36
identify us a little bit of a pass on that where it's like we
36:39
only have so many tools to choose from and like they we
36:41
cannot like make them optimal in the amount of time that we need
36:45
to do for events. But we, at least are working
36:48
with our vendor, to make it better.
36:51
So I thinik ate his later years in October.
36:53
Yeah, it's in October. I wish, I knew the day, so it's
36:56
the 16th to the 19th. We're going to be actually in
36:58
California. This year going to be outside of
36:59
San Diego and Carlsbad. We needed a bigger space.
37:03
We needed a bigger expo, hall, bigger, presence, which is a
37:06
good problem to have. So we're going to be a little
37:09
more contained. We're going to do a lot of
37:10
really fun stuff for our attendees.
37:14
And what's really exciting about it is I'm really Dissipating.
37:17
A lot of newbies because passkey people are excited about
37:20
passkeys but since you were just learning about this for the
37:22
first time. So as I so, actually run the
37:25
agenda and content for authenticate.
37:28
In addition to my day job at the fight Alliance, trying to like
37:33
put together an agenda that can accommodate all levels of
37:36
experience with Fido is actually really fun.
37:39
We're going to have a lot of, like, newbie content, like mid
37:42
deployment content, Dev content, it's going to be just Just way
37:46
more inclusive than we've had in years past and in terms of
37:51
content. So I'm really excited about it.
37:53
It's a fun conference juvenile to go into the last one actually
37:56
really excited to have. I done it at the center, be our
37:59
partner partner podcast. Yes, the breaking breaking news.
38:02
Yes. So we will be there for sure.
38:04
Supporting it. What are you looking forward to
38:07
the rest of this week? So and I mean, I'll preface
38:11
this. It doesn't necessary.
38:12
Have to be identity related, could be something in Vegas,
38:15
you're looking forward to. Bender parties or something.
38:18
Oh, wow, it's Vegas. Yeah, so it's been interesting.
38:21
This is the first year that identifies has been in Vegas and
38:24
past years. You know, we've been at in
38:27
Denver and, and other locations. So Vegas is cool.
38:32
I think that one of the. So one of the things I love
38:35
about identifiers is a community.
38:37
So, this is a very inclusive community, whether you're new,
38:41
or you're sort of seasoned here. People are very friendly and
38:46
wanting To like learn. And there's just a lot of
38:48
opportunities for networking here, which I always love a by
38:52
Denver's. The other thing is that I like
38:55
Vegas so I like to maybe hang out the pool a little bit
38:59
Network at the pool, bring the laptop.
39:01
I mean it hasn't really been able to do that as much your
39:04
laptop network with a pina colada, you know, you got like
39:07
the kind of floating desk, kind of thing going on, turn the
39:10
camera on because obviously no one's gonna beat that backdrop,
39:13
right? Obviously I would never not.
39:15
So, I think that it's just it's the people here and it's the the
39:21
array of content is really just like super interesting.
39:24
So I could go have like a list of sessions.
39:26
I want to go to. It has nothing to do with my day
39:28
job or things of but it's just super interesting the stuff
39:31
that's going on in the space. So I Denver's is always a great
39:34
show for just learning new things meeting.
39:37
New people, really great Community is good community.
39:41
And speaking of community, we have Lea has joined us sort of
39:45
hello. Hello.
39:46
Hello, Leah. What are you looking forward to
39:49
the rest of this week for a Denver's?
39:52
You know, I really think that I'm excited to meet a ton of new
39:55
people. Last year was my first identify
39:57
verse. I knew no one, I was a brand-new
39:59
be in the identity space and now it's a year later and I feel
40:03
like I've started to learn a little bit more.
40:06
I will admit, I didn't know the difference between IGA and I am
40:10
and Pam when I started. And I've really the community
40:13
has been very helpful. And when I ask questions or just
40:17
anything has been very helping me, educate myself, and that's
40:21
what I'm really Excited about? That's awesome.
40:23
Are you a member of Ida Pro? I am?
40:25
Yeah. It's that Community being very
40:27
helpful as well. It's been like the slack
40:30
Channel. You can just it's crazy.
40:32
It's not just me, right? It's like channels, amazing.
40:35
The sectionals. Awesome.
40:36
And you and I actually use it. I'm part of infragard, Tampa Bay
40:41
and I actually can slacken to there and ask people, and
40:44
they've already connected me with tons of other people.
40:46
So, I really appreciate how much the security Community are guess
40:49
the identity Community has just It pulled me in and let me be a
40:53
part of it won't be long till Leah's up on the big stage.
40:57
Throwing, two keynote down. Y'all do not want me up on the
41:00
stage. Well, I heard a y'all, so I
41:03
definitely want you up on the stage for that particular
41:06
relief. Yeah, well, that's fine.
41:09
I mean, it can't always be just, you know, deep deep deep topics,
41:13
right? Getting into it.
41:14
You wanna have some fun, we do that in our show too bright.
41:16
We end most of our shows on a on a lighter note, so - is clearly
41:20
a Vegas person. Yourself Vegas room.
41:24
I don't know what that that was not meant to be Caracas.
41:27
An insult that. I'm the biggest person here for
41:29
the final biggest person to. Yeah.
41:31
Are you back yet? I feel that you're either very
41:34
into Vegas or you're very not and into the weekend, like
41:37
niggas harder three days and then I'm out, that's it, then
41:41
drown. Where's my plane?
41:43
Exactly. Yeah, I would say younger Leah
41:47
was a huge Vegas person but now I'm older and I feel like A big
41:52
loser because I was really excited to just get to my hotel
41:56
room and take a nice bath. Yeah.
41:58
But sure you and I were talking earlier, you have a very cool
42:02
set. I don't want to blow up your
42:03
spot or do anything like that but it's pretty sweet.
42:07
I mean, what you're planning on doing over the summer, at least
42:09
stand for the next foreseeable. All we want to do in the summer.
42:13
Well, I didn't I wasn't going to put her on the spot but if she
42:15
wants to volunteer what was going to happen?
42:17
After you said that loud nose. Come on.
42:20
I mean I'm flying to Zurich. Back on Thursday.
42:23
So I'll be in Europe for the summer.
42:25
And I've just been kind of traveling around just a little
42:28
bit. I just got back from Calgary
42:29
visiting. My she is my roommate when I
42:32
lived in Innsbruck and I got to hang out with her which was
42:35
really nice and I found identity week in Amsterdam and so I'm
42:40
going to go check it out because you know, why not?
42:42
I got to go spread the identity where program I'm excited.
42:46
I'm supposed to do something for them ride any week, America
42:48
later this year. Yep.
42:50
So you got all right, you're on a mission.
42:52
Now you need to come back and Report.
42:54
What was identity week? Like an American Amsterdam, it's
42:57
an Amsterdam. Yeah, it's on June.
42:58
This is what. So that's the mark of a true
43:01
identity nerd. When they are like traveling
43:04
around on vacation they're like well I have to hit identity week
43:06
right here anyway. Yeah there I might as well,
43:11
definitely a security nerd. I like accidentally found
43:15
security and it has been so nice to come in and be like, oh,
43:18
These Are My People. You guys got it.
43:21
Yeah. We haven't figured out, like,
43:23
what to call a group of identity people are at dinner a couple
43:27
years ago with the identity, which I don't really like that
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term. We called it a disagreement of
43:33
people, that's a stupid like, because we can never agree on
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anything. I don't have six either but it's
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like identify versus is like, what's the plural of that?
43:42
That's a good question. While I'll be brainstorming that
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on the plane and I'll come back with some ideas, I promise.
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So now, we got a foreign correspondent for the show.
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This is fantastic. I like it.
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This, this From Identity, week Amsterdam.
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Yeah, there we go. See that would be cool.
43:56
We haven't been able to make it across the pond yet.
43:58
Jim. Some well-being that we're in
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Vegas. I think we should wrap up the
44:02
show and go enjoy your Vegas. Yeah, I'm hungry.
44:06
I'm thirsty. We have 13 minutes left of the
44:09
free drinks inside. So, the sliders are really good.
44:13
I have 10K, sliders, the fries are legit.
44:16
Sliders fries about from the crowd?
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What else should I be checking out?
44:20
What you are? What do I know?
44:21
Paul, you know, it's actually a weird.
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Yeah thing but identifiers actually does a wonderful job
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with the food, like the libraries are great.
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I mean, these are things people. I mean, I know I run a
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conference. I got those surveys back.
44:32
The most things are like food. Yeah, people want to be
44:36
well-fed. I judge every conference on the
44:39
quality of their cookies. So that's how we're going to
44:42
find out over the next couple of days whether or not this
44:44
conference turns out any good have faith but that's how I
44:48
judge It Is by cookies. The I'll tell you the last
44:51
Gartner conference It's cookies were around point.
44:54
Just going to say it right there.
44:56
I agree with that statement. Wholeheartedly alright, let's go
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ahead and wrap up anything else. Jim.
45:02
I think that's the point that was bringing up.
45:03
Like we have to depend upon the services that we have for events
45:07
in like they're not always like we can't be like We must insist
45:11
upon these XYZ things in a year that you put in place.
45:15
It's actually really hard because we would like to make
45:19
himself look more. Like body are like sign-ins for
45:22
all of our event. Things to be Fido and Abel but
45:25
it's like those things say time, right?
45:27
But we play at the seeds but like I take the brunt of that
45:30
because I'm like whatever magic things for XYZ.
45:32
I'm like I'm sorry I didn't do as I say not as I do.
45:38
I wish I did but but That's the point.
45:41
Yeah. All right, we want, we want it.
45:43
We want everybody to be safe. We're not black because he's
45:46
gonna keep talking. We're going to try to end the
45:48
show which easily keep going on. And on about it, I could go on
45:50
forever forever. Like Megan.
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All right? Megan, Megan is remove.
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The mic is walking away. Slowly.
45:58
She's doing it backwards to so, probably smart.
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Yeah, out of here. Thank you for the folks who took
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the time to stand here, and very uncomfortable, no seats or
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anything like that. He was very, very much hoping
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Leah, thank you for joining us. Megan, thank you for joining us.
46:15
Thank you for Ian and Becky and that conference organizers.
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Again, to give us a spot. Yeah, it's very cool.
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So we'll go ahead, leave it there.
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And yeah, no, no, no cool. Outro would just say we're done.
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