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Kyler Murray WINS Vikings QB1 job over J.J. McCarthy + What’s Next for Tony Romo? · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume What is going on by people John Middlecoff
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  Speaker 1: three OW podcast. Hopefully you are doing well wherever you
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  Speaker 1: may be enjoying life. And obviously we had a big
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  Speaker 1: story happened on Tuesday when it came to a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: situation that we've been talking for a while about on
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  Speaker 1: this show, which we will dive into. And it looks
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  Speaker 1: like Tony Romo's job is in serious jeopardy. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: fly around the league, we'll do some mailback questions and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just we'll have a fun podcast talking quarterbacks on
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  Speaker 1: and off the field. But you guys know the drill.
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  Speaker 1: never miss a show. And let's not waste any time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just dive in and Kevin o'cott wall schefter put
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  Speaker 1: it out in. Two minutes later, Kevin O'Connell told the
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  Speaker 1: team that Kyler Murray. On August eleventh, preseason games have
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  Speaker 1: not even began, they already named a starting quarterback. Kyler
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  Speaker 1: Murray wins the job and listen, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: sit up here and take a victory lap. I have
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  Speaker 1: taken Minnesota Vikings have a big fan base. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of you guys that are big JJ McCarthy fans or
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  Speaker 1: were rooting for this to work out, have been vocal
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  Speaker 1: right to me specifically. I mean, I've had some negative
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  Speaker 1: dms about what a hater I am, and I've looked
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  Speaker 1: at this simply from an unemotional view. We have precedents
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  Speaker 1: set in recent years of very similar situations, veteran teams
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  Speaker 1: with first round quarterbacks that going into year three, Trey
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  Speaker 1: Lance was on the Dallas Cowboys, Anthony Richson was the backup,
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  Speaker 1: and now JJ McCarthy is the backup. And I think
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  Speaker 1: when you look at this situation one, for me, it
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  Speaker 1: was an easy call the moment Kyler Murray showed up.
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  Speaker 1: I never judged teams on words. I judged them by
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  Speaker 1: their actions. Right coaches during OTAs during training camp, they
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  Speaker 1: can say whatever they want. I judge them by what
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  Speaker 1: they do on the field. I judged them last year.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, do you think Kevin O'Connell likes JJ McCarthy, Well,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember when they had Carson Wentz on the
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  Speaker 1: field week after week when his arm was falling off
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  Speaker 1: and they kept saying, you know, JJ McCarthy. He's got
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  Speaker 1: an ankle hamsterring, you know, he's kind of and he's
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  Speaker 1: there on the sideline and Carson Wentz is like, if
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  Speaker 1: it was a video game, would have been I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: well under fifty percent. And he's still out there and
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  Speaker 1: it was basically up until he got broken in half.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, we gotta put JJ McCarthy back in the game.
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  Speaker 1: That told me everything I needed to know. And the
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  Speaker 1: moment Kyler Murray showed up that they can say it
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  Speaker 1: was an open competition. And I understand a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people know these guys. I've never met Kevin O'Connell in
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  Speaker 1: my life. As I said, within the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: I got to put on a text thread with their
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  Speaker 1: new GM never texted me back. Don't know the guy either.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have any inside information on this. I've just
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  Speaker 1: been doing this for a while. I have a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good idea of the way things are trending. And then
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  Speaker 1: this notion one big thing that has changed, and Coward's
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  Speaker 1: been on this for a while that like most quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: in this kind of modern day era of a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: friendly league where you can't get hit, where the rules
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  Speaker 1: are on your side well by Thanksgiving your second year.
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  Speaker 1: If a team isn't feeling pretty confident in you, your
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  Speaker 1: job is in major jeopardy. This is not Warren Buffett
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  Speaker 1: and Charlie Munger. They're not looking for ten and twenty
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  Speaker 1: year horizons. This is not you and I investing in
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  Speaker 1: the SpaceX thinking about what is this stock gonna look
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  Speaker 1: like in two thousand and thirty five. The Minnesota Vikings
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  Speaker 1: are trying to win games. In September and October of
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, they are living in the present. And
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  Speaker 1: when training camp starts and you're going into your third
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  Speaker 1: year as a starting quarterback, your third year, I guess
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  Speaker 1: it would only been a second year technically, because he
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  Speaker 1: was injured his first year. Your third year in the system,
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  Speaker 1: your understanding and knowledge of your head coach, who's also
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  Speaker 1: your coordinator. You should know the way he thinks about
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  Speaker 1: offense like the back of his hand. It should be
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  Speaker 1: a major advantage for anyone they bring in to compete
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  Speaker 1: against you. And let's face it, you should have established
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  Speaker 1: yourself by that point in time where they don't need
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  Speaker 1: to think about bringing other people to compete with you
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  Speaker 1: for the gig. The moment they are doing that, you
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  Speaker 1: could argue it's over before or it even starts. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you look at this situation young quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: let's use for Nando Mendoza. There's a chance if things
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  Speaker 1: go well with the Raiders and they're competing to be
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  Speaker 1: a five hundred club. The coach has already stated, in
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  Speaker 1: a perfect world, a rookie quarterback doesn't have to play,
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  Speaker 1: And in a perfect world, I think they would love
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  Speaker 1: for Cousins to just be functional and Mendoza just sits
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  Speaker 1: the entire year Patrick Mahome style, Well, then next year
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  Speaker 1: they would make him the starter. And if next year
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  Speaker 1: he looked completely overwhelmed, we would have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: question marks going into year three and they would probably
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  Speaker 1: bring in some competition and it would be up for debate.
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  Speaker 1: But most of the good quarterbacks throughout the league, if
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  Speaker 1: you just look at the last ten years, the crew
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  Speaker 1: of guys, obviously the Mahomes, the Josh Allens, the Lamar Jackson's,
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  Speaker 1: the Herbert's, the Burrows. By the end of year two
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  Speaker 1: you're feeling really good. Some of those guys, you're going,
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  Speaker 1: did we just hit the lottery? But even when you
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  Speaker 1: look at the next here of guys, Rock Purdy, Jared Goff,
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  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Right, you feel, Jalen hurts like you're pretty
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  Speaker 1: confident moving forward that there aren't question marks going into
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  Speaker 1: year three. The timeline way back in the day, twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty forty years ago, when the financial makeup of the
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  Speaker 1: league was dramatically different. Social media and we just lived
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  Speaker 1: in a slower society, urgency, the Internet didn't exist. It
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  Speaker 1: was a completely different world. You know. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to be nostalgic about the nineties. Sometimes I miss it,
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  Speaker 1: but it operated at a slower pace. It just simply
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  Speaker 1: did all of society did. We were less impatient. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what you did. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different variables because of that, but I don't care what
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  Speaker 1: you do. We live in a different world now we
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  Speaker 1: live in, especially the NFL, in a timeline that has
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  Speaker 1: been cut in half. And JJ McCarthy, who listen, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to pretend like I didn't think he'd be
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  Speaker 1: a good player coming out of college. I thought, like,
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  Speaker 1: why couldn't he just be just like Jimmy Garoppolo. Turns
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  Speaker 1: out no, And I think you look back at the
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  Speaker 1: situation when they drafted him out of Michigan is It
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  Speaker 1: was almost two quarterback friendly. It was too easy. We
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  Speaker 1: had more question marks looking back now than answers. Where
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the other guys, like Caleb Williams. His
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  Speaker 1: last year at USC, they were dogshit. They went seven
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  Speaker 1: and five and if it wasn't for him, they might
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  Speaker 1: have won two games. Patrick Mahomes played on a Texas
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  Speaker 1: Tech team. I'd have to google it, but I'm not
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  Speaker 1: sure anyone else is in the NFL. On those teams,
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  Speaker 1: he had to do things to even make them competitive
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  Speaker 1: on a weekly basis. Josh Allen played at Wyoming. Lamar
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  Speaker 1: Jackson won the Heisman Trophy at La Louisville. These guys
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  Speaker 1: weren't playing for Saban in Bama. These guys weren't playing
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  Speaker 1: for these peak Ohio state teams, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: translates into the NFL. And clearly JJ had to do
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  Speaker 1: way less than all the other guys in his draft class.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams had to do a lot. Jaden Daniels he
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  Speaker 1: played on a historically bad defense the year he won
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  Speaker 1: the Heisman Trophy. If it wasn't for an unreal offense
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  Speaker 1: led by him, Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's he might have won six games. They went nine
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  Speaker 1: to three with the best offense in the country. Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nicks was laughed out of Aubury. It was a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Went to Oregon, started putting up like historic numbers. Michael Pennix,
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  Speaker 1: one of the big knocks. I was watching this thing
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  Speaker 1: on Kurt Signetti did he did this sit down. Jackson
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  Speaker 1: put it in our group chat. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have much of a life here in the hotel
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  Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills. I basically just come here, record the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: work out, get dinner, getting bed at about seven o'clock,
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  Speaker 1: and try to be asleep by nine. And I watched
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  Speaker 1: this thirty minute special on Signetti and they went through
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of plays on all the guys on his
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  Speaker 1: team that just got drafted, different offensive scenarios. It was
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  Speaker 1: it was just football porn. And one thing Signetti talked
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  Speaker 1: about there was a situation in the Alabama game on
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  Speaker 1: a short yardage play. It was like fourth and one
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  Speaker 1: or fourth and two, when the game was like three
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  Speaker 1: to nothing early in the second quarter, and he says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Kaylen Dubor not big on running the ball,
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  Speaker 1: and when they do, they kind of outthink the room
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  Speaker 1: because Kaylen de Boor's offense going back to Washington when
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  Speaker 1: they made the National Championship was fucking pass snap that
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  Speaker 1: thing to Pennix and sling that pill around to Rome
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  Speaker 1: and Doonzay McMillan and paulk who actually just retired, right
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  Speaker 1: Michael Pennix had to thrive for them to win. This
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  Speaker 1: was It's why once they got to the National Championship
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  Speaker 1: they got curb stomped and and I just think you
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  Speaker 1: look at this situation, is you saw a guy they're
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  Speaker 1: hoping for the best. That this is football. The assets
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  Speaker 1: are human beings. These are not widgets. You're not buying buildings.
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  Speaker 1: You're not buying companies, which are essentially a spreadsheet. You're dying.
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  Speaker 1: You're drafting humans with real emotions, with real flaws, with
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  Speaker 1: real question marks. Sometimes those question marks get answered immediately,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. Dak Prescott had Mississippi State in the
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  Speaker 1: top five in the country pretty sure at one time
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  Speaker 1: for one week at least they were either maybe one,
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  Speaker 1: they were definitely second in the country. Brock Purty created
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Campbell Iowa State. I mean, Jared Goff played
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  Speaker 1: on dog shit cal teams through it. Every play had
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  Speaker 1: to for them his senior or I guess his true
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  Speaker 1: junior year to make a Bowl game. So I think
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  Speaker 1: you look at JJ mcarthy got to a situation where
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  Speaker 1: the expectations were extremely high. Bunch of veteran players, a
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  Speaker 1: big time head coach, an elite defensive coordinator, a well
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  Speaker 1: run organization, and specifically a quarterback friendly operation. This is
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  Speaker 1: not the Jets where quarterbacks go to die, and whether
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  Speaker 1: we're at the bar, whether we're hanging out with our friends,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're a podcaster, where we just universally make fun
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  Speaker 1: of them. This is a place where quarterbacks Kirk Cousins
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  Speaker 1: came there thrived. Sam Darnold's like, this guy's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: your starting quarterback season later thirty five touchdowns. A year
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  Speaker 1: after that, he wins a Super Bowl. You know it's why,
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  Speaker 1: big picture, when I look at Kyler Murray, what an
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  Speaker 1: incredible opportunity. I've had lifelines thrown to me. I currently
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  Speaker 1: have been in one for close to a decade, and
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  Speaker 1: his name is Colin changed the course of my life.
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  Speaker 1: There's not a day go by day that goes by
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  Speaker 1: that I take that for granted because I realize what
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  Speaker 1: an incredible opportunity I've been granted. I'm with the guy
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  Speaker 1: in the peak of his profession and what I do
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  Speaker 1: for a living, and sometimes when you're throwing a lifeline
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  Speaker 1: by someone, you go, I can't believe this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: You got to take full advantage of that opportunity. Do
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  Speaker 1: everything humanly possible in your power what you could control
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  Speaker 1: to take advantage kyler essen flaws right. Most importantly a size,
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  Speaker 1: He's never just gonna be able to sit in the
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  Speaker 1: pocket like Brady your manning and see over his offensive linemen.
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  Speaker 1: It's a mass problem. As I've told Colin that today,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're five nine the guy in front of
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  Speaker 1: a six five. Like there's a reason if a point
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  Speaker 1: guard's covering shack he calls for the ball. What do
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  Speaker 1: they say in basketball? Mouse in the house. Even small ball,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, your small ball center sixty six, Well,
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  Speaker 1: my guy's seven to one, godspeed, because you can't. So
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna have to scramble get outside the pocket just
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  Speaker 1: to have some throwing lanes that he can see with
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  Speaker 1: his eyes. But no one would argue that like the
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  Speaker 1: physical talents and what has been asked of this guy's
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  Speaker 1: career is just on a different level than JJ McCarthy's
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  Speaker 1: now is it perfect? And there are some other big
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  Speaker 1: picture question marks with injuries. He's a smaller player. Is
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  Speaker 1: he quite I mean at one point in time he
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  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know one of the great athletes
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  Speaker 1: on this planet, right, I don't know if he's quite
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  Speaker 1: there anymore. He's had a knee injury. If he's quite
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  Speaker 1: as fast still relative to his position, you would consider
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  Speaker 1: Kyler Murray very athletic. And one thing he's always had
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  Speaker 1: is a powerful arm. He's got a quick flip of
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  Speaker 1: the risk and that thing can scoot coming out of
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  Speaker 1: his hand. And this is a coach who's got some
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: you know, stuff in common with with Andy Reid, with
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  Speaker 1: Sean mcv like, when all else fails, he wants to
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  Speaker 1: call a pass. Your philosophical belief as a coach doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really change. You can adapt schemes, you can change formations,
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  Speaker 1: you can utilize different personnel, But certain coaches Ben Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, like really deep down, they want to run
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  Speaker 1: for two hundred yards a game. They want to dominate
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  Speaker 1: on the ground and take the manhood of the other team,
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  Speaker 1: because that just rips the soul away from their opponent.
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  Speaker 1: They get off doing that. They're really wired like offensive coaches.
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  Speaker 1: They got some defensive kind of mindset upstairs right where
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  Speaker 1: you look around some of these. I would say Lafleur too,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, Like I think in a perfect world, he
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  Speaker 1: wants to rush for one hundred, Like what a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: win looks like to him, rushing for like one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eighty yards, dominating the time of possession, just running
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  Speaker 1: it down your throat. That that Eagles game for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, or I guess it was last
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  Speaker 1: year on Black Friday for Ben Johnson, probably his like
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  Speaker 1: favorite win of the year, you know, just the way
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  Speaker 1: they ran it down Fangio's throat. We're like in a
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  Speaker 1: perfect game for Andy Reid, Mahomes run for four yards,
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  Speaker 1: you know, same thing with the Bay Like he likes
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  Speaker 1: looking up at that statue and see him like three
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  Speaker 1: to eighty for Stafford. So every coach is a little
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  Speaker 1: different in what in the way in which they want
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  Speaker 1: to win. Signetti kind of a run first coach, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's kind of what he is. Lincoln Riley
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  Speaker 1: like spreading that thing out and flipping it around. So
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: every coach, even as a play caller, is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. Kevin O'Connell wants to call passes, wants to
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  Speaker 1: call bombs, especially with the Personnellity has and Kyler Murray.
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  Speaker 1: One thing he can do is push the ball down
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  Speaker 1: the field. Now can he do it accurately? Can he
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  Speaker 1: stay healthy? I mean these question marks that part of
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  Speaker 1: the reason he was available and you could sign him
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  Speaker 1: for a million dollars right, I mean because even with
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  Speaker 1: Arizona paying a large percentage of the contract, like he
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  Speaker 1: was just a free agent, other people could have been
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  Speaker 1: competitive for his services and they just weren't. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a believer that this is really gonna work. Relative
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  Speaker 1: to a couple of years ago with Darnold right, fourteen wins,
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  Speaker 1: thirty five touchdowns, sixty minutes away from being the number
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  Speaker 1: one seed. Now, a lot of people push back Middlecoff.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know how bad our quarterback situation was last
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  Speaker 1: year when we won nine games. I go, that's fair,
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  Speaker 1: But at one point in time you were four and
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  Speaker 1: eight and then went on a stretch playing a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of shitty teams and had a little bit inflated of
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  Speaker 1: a record. But where I will not push back is
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  Speaker 1: your offensive defensive coordinator Combo is pretty elite, and you
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  Speaker 1: do have a lot of really good veteran, high character,
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  Speaker 1: high level guys on your team. So if Kyler just
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  Speaker 1: plays solid, be a very very competitive team, the biggest
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  Speaker 1: thing you have going for you, Just like you just
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  Speaker 1: got six games. Assuming the Packers are solid, which they
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  Speaker 1: are most years. I think we all agree the Bears
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  Speaker 1: and the Lions, with a bunch of young guys kind
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  Speaker 1: of in their prime of their career, are just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be pretty solid. So to win and be competitive in
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  Speaker 1: the division, it's really hard. I mean there it's what
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  Speaker 1: was last year was last place in the division. I
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  Speaker 1: guess Bears wanted. Packers made the playoffs. Two other teams
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  Speaker 1: nine and eight. So you're not gonna have a Cardinals, Jets,
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  Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. You know, situation like that the Browns, a
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  Speaker 1: team winning three or four games in this division like
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  Speaker 1: a disaster for one of these teams would be seven
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  Speaker 1: and ten. I mean it would be like what the
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  Speaker 1: bleep just happened? So I'm betting against this thing working
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  Speaker 1: again not bottoming out. I just I think what we
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  Speaker 1: saw a couple of years ago, I do not expect
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  Speaker 1: that to happen. I think the other thing here is
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  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy what happens now, because I think we have
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  Speaker 1: the two examples that I constantly use because I think
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  Speaker 1: they parallel this situation. The forty nine ers, the Colts,
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  Speaker 1: and now the Vikings had young quarterbacks come into positions
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  Speaker 1: where the expectations were extremely high. Right the forty nine
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  Speaker 1: Ers the expectation was, like, compete for the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: The Colts expectation wasn't quite that high, but like we
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  Speaker 1: should be a playoff team with how good we are.
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  Speaker 1: And JJ literally replaced Sam Darnold who just took them
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  Speaker 1: to fourteen wins. So those are really hard positions to
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  Speaker 1: take over as a young quarterback. And the forty nine
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  Speaker 1: ers got lucky that Jerry Jones is just kind of
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  Speaker 1: likes wheeling and dealing, and I don't blame him. Like
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  Speaker 1: I'm a gambling man, like I like taking some flyers.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I don't play the lottery, but I do essentially sometimes
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: in the stock market, be like it's a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of risk, but I like risk. I enjoy it. Like
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  Speaker 1: I don't get my highs from like jump out of
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  Speaker 1: planes or bungee jumping. I don't snow ski anymore. Like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I kind of get a high watching the stock go
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: up and down gambling on football, Like I kind of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: like that. That's what That's what gets my adrenaline going
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in the real world. And Jerry clearly likes doing deals.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: He gets his gets his juices flowing. And he took
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: a big flyer on Trey Lance and it didn't really
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: work right. He gave up a fourth round pick, and
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the Niners were able to offload his contract and get
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: some value back where clearly no one else in the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: league we're offering anywhere close to that. Were the Colts
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: last year once they went with Daniel Jones, And if
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I remember correctly, maybe Riley Leonard was hurt at the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: time in training camp. Might be having my timeline off
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit, But I think if they could do
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it again, they would have traded him in training camp. Now,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: like Trey Lance, his value would not have been great,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: somewhere between like a fourth and a sixth round pick,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but they could have offloaded him because you would have
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: had two years to work with his project. Quarterback, then
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: he shatters his eye throughout the season and the freak deal.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Now there are question marks about him even being the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: backup quarterback and trending like he's not. I don't think
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: they could trade him now if they wanted to. So
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: if you're JJ McCarthy and as I record this on Tuesday,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: or I mean, if you're Kevin O'Connell in the front office,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: if you play him in these preseason games, it could
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: go well, like he could just look solid kind of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: rehab his value, or two things could happen. One it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: could just not go great, right and just it could
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: hurt his value where no one would be willing to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: trade for him. Or two he could get injured. And
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the thing is, it's not like he makes six round money.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You know, he's owed two point seven and three point
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: seven guaranteed the next two years, so six point four
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: million dollars over two years, which isn't a ton in
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven NFL financial kind of terms.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: But it's not nothing, right. I mean, some teams you're
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: able to get a backup. I think the Vikings I
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: would expect Carson Wentz to be the backup I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: he makes two two and a half million dollars, so
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: J J. McCarthy makes more than that, and next year
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: he definitely makes more in that. So if you don't
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: feel this guy could be your backup, and even if
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you trade nothing for him, he's kind of making backup
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: money now. Because he was a high pick, there are
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be teams throughout the league that liked him coming out. Right,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: there are definitely gonna be some teams that weren't that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: big of a fan, and there are gonna be several
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: general managers, several head coaches, and several offensive coordinators that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: were fans of JJ coming out of college. And a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: lot of teams do this. They hold on to their
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: draft grade for a long period of time. Right, for
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: most of us, as things change in whatever we do,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like our opinion changes. Like fifteen years ago, I thought
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: being or ten years ago, getting hired in radio was
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the biggest thing humanly possible. Now I look like where
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I currently stand. I laughed at restural radio. I'm like,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: thank god, I'm not in that business. I mean, geez, right,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: but information changed the world changed. It's no different with players, right,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Just because I have a second round grade on you.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Then if over the course of three years, you can't
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: ever dress on game day for Andy Reid or Sean
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Payton or Sean McVeigh, and like, yeah, he's not can't
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: really learn the playbook, not that tough, Like yeah, not
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that interested anymore? Right, Or it could be the opposite effect.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: It's like I had a six round grade on the guy,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, three years later he made a
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl that he's like an impact player, Like I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was wrong. I'm now interested in this guy. If he
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: ever becomes available, we should be all over. And that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: where I think the JJ McCarthy thing gets kind of complicated,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: because you go, yeah, we like the guy coming out.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: But Kevin O'Connell, who was very invested in the guy, right,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: no one will truly know but him and Quessey. You
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: know what the free draft meetings were like, their individual
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: draft grades on the player, their personal conversations between each
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: other on how they value JJ, what their long term
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: outlook on the player was, what they thought his ceiling was.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: We maybe one day we'll get some sort of article
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of a tell all, you know, one of those classic
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like now they tell us. I think Bill Simmons calls it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But as of right now, it's like it's a lot
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of conjecture, a lot of guessing. You know, feels like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Questi's got some of the blame placed on him, but
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I have a hard time thinking that, Like the GM's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just getting full control over the quarterback when the head
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: coach is a former quarterback and calls the plays, Like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of calling bullshit on that. But regardless, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: don't even think Kevin O'Connell and I even watched some
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: of this press conference today, like he tried to still
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: be supportive and say he's still a young player. We're
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: working with him. But so if I'm a GM or
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: another coach, it's like something must be missing there. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: even if we don't have concrete information of like what
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he really lacks, he's just not good enough. Is Is
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it something to do with his processing understanding the offense?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Is it a lot of different variables? Does the pressure
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: get to him? I just see you not being able
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: to work with that, Like I'm not as interested. Like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: looking back on Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, it's like, yeah,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they didn't really work in Cleveland or the Jets, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: then they got to Matt Rule in the Carolina Panthers shocker,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: then one guy with Jason Lytt and Liam Cohen, the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: other guy with Kyle Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell and Kubiak
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: and thrived. You know, it's like, Okay, could see that
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: very understandable scenario. This feels like the opposite. It's like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: what's going on there? You know. It's like if if
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you tell me Elon or Steve Jobs or Bezos acquires
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: a company and then three years later they want to
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: offload it, It's like, yeah, it's probably the company, not them.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: You know, their track record kind of speaks for himself.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like with JJ right now,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit dead weight. It's crazy to say. You're like, well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: he's so young. He is young, but he got a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: pretty unreal opportunity going into year three in the National
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Football League and got lapped by a five to nine
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: guy making a million dollars who's been injured a lot
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and got bench last year by for Jacoby Brissett. That's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the other thing. I got bench last year for Jacoby Brissett.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals can call it whatever they wanted to call it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Last year that's what happened. And the other thing is like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: well it's the Cardinals. Well, everyone's really high in the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Lions this year because they hired Drew Petsing from the Cardinals,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: who when Jacoby got inserted through like twenty three touchdowns
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and their offense actually looked pretty good because their defense
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: was fucking atrocious. So this is a scenario. We now
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: have several examples of this. When you're drafted high, if
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: your team does not just absolutely blow the expectation within
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: no later than training camp year three, if you're not
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: just establishing yourself as the no doubt about it starter,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: your position's not only in jeopardy, your job on the team,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: your your roster spots in jeopardy. And this has to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: do with the explosion of the cap. Teams aren't as
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: worried about eating money, about you know, waving the white
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: flag on a draft pick. You know, thirty forty years ago,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: when you invested a couple million dollars into a player,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you were all in for the length of the contract.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: It's like, why do we see so many coaches get
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: fired now all the time because paying someone ten twenty
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: thirty forty million dollars to go away for most of
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: these owners is a line item. It's like I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: just I've been ordering Uber Eats. I've been trying to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: do a better job in twenty twenty six doing my expenses.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So at the end of the year, when I'm doing
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: my taxes with my tax guy, I'm not like going
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: back going through all the credit card bills. You know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I got just not as organized. It's it's a downfall
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: mind this week I'm doing that. It's like, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: order order a couple burgers from shake Shack, order whatever,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: keep a track of it, you know, like most of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you do when you're out on the road. Expense report.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It's so much easier to do it immediately than try
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to go back a month or two later and figure
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that out. Well, It's like at the end of the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: day expensing meals for most companies, they don't even it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't even cross their mind. It's no different most of
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: these expenses. Now with these quarterbacks, with these players, I mean,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: think how many quarterbacks we've seen this offseason. What are
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: they paying to it a go away? What fifty five
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: million dollars they just paid them to go to Gleat.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: They paid Kyler in Arizona, probably the poorest ownership in
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the NFL. They're paying them thirty six million dollars on
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: their books and they fire their coach. So I just
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the money that's flown into this bad boy is pretty nuts.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just saw the Hall of Fame game,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: which was pretty entertaining in the first half, had like
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: seven million people watching. I mean the Pacers Thunder series
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: up until Game seven a couple of years ago. What
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a love that number like that. This league is booming,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Revenue is flowing, which means more pressure on trying to win,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: because the more you win, the way more revenue you
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: can make. I saw today people are like, look at
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Rabel was asked about what he learned this offseason in
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the uh going to counseling. It's like he didn't really
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: say anything. It's like, you think this guy's gonna break
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: down his therapy sessions with you guys. But the reason that, like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and we'll get into Tony Romo here in a second,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that Rabel's job was more than secure no matter what
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: had come out from all these tabloids, was because last
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: year he took him to the fucking Super Bowl. The Patriots.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: For several years last couple of years of Belichick, the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: one year dried mail, were an embarrassment. And the more
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you're an embarrassment, the less money you're gonna make. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: once you start going to the super Bowl, the more
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: you can charge for tickets, the more you're making in
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: every different avenue of the business, the more money that's
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: going in the ownership's pockets. Now, obviously Craft really likes
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Mike for Abel, but even if he was lukewarm on
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the guy, if you're gonna produce, you're gonna get kept.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And that will lead us right into Tony Romo. I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: can't speak for every corporation and the rules that go
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: along with those corporations, but I do believe whether it's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a football team, and we see this a lot right
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in pro sports, when a guy gets a DUI, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: if you're a good players, so yeah, we'll just let
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the process play out. It's like, yeah, that's on the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: legal system, and then roge to make a decision. But
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: until the end, he's at practice and we've played on
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: playing him in the games. Right, But if it's a
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: fringe guy, if it's a bad player, what happens. Guy
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: gets fired, guy gets cut. We saw a coach tight
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: end coach I think for the Commanders got a Dewey
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: fired before the season even started. Same same thing happened
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: at the University Oregon. Did some either have as the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: nonumber one overall team or number two overall team coming
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: into this college football season. One of the assistants got
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a dui on that staff. I don't know the guy personally,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but clearly Dan Lanning likes him because you know what
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: he said, Yeah, we handle that internally. He's good. If
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you got a dui at your job and you are
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a really high producer and you crush it for your company,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think you get fired now because of what
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Most people that they're what you know, are not public figures.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe no one would even know, but and clearly your
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: bodycam footage wouldn't come out like Tony Romo. My theory
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: was when the bodycam footage came out, did people at
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: CBS UH pull some strings and get that thing leaked
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: so it made it easier for them to say, yeah,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he suspended in definitely, because that's what the news came
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: out today on Tuesday, is that there is no change
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: in Tony Romo and all signs point to JJ Watt
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: filling in for him not only week one, but for
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the indefinite future. And I think this shows you that
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: CBS if they had liked Tony Romo, if this was
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: three years ago, I'll promise you this Tony Romo would
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: not have been suspended. Tony Romo would not have been
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: told like put out limbo of just yeah, we don't
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: know when he's gonna come back. And I'm sure they're
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: working with their lawyers trying to get out of this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: seventy or eighty million dollars in which they own. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I can't speak. I don't know Tony personally. He's always
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: seemed like an enjoyable guy. I understand people think that
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: he can be a little cheesy on TV, a little goofy.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily my style, but by by no means my hater.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it can be a little annoying, but I would
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: say I fan would be strong. But I definitely am
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: not a hater of Tony Romo. But there have been reports,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean a couple of years ago, the boss at
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: CBS had to go to Tony's house. And this is
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: more than just people on the internet complaining. Clearly, people
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: at CBS thought he was getting lazy and not working
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: his art. It's like didn't take his craft seriously. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: it's easy to take your craft seriously and grind your
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: ass off when you're trying to prove yourself, whether you're
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: some intern at some random you know, production company or
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: insurance company or you name it, or you're the practice
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: squad guy on the LA Rams, you're just trying to
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: earn your spot. It's another thing once you get broken
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: off and the money you know you don't have to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: worry about it's guaranteed to come in. Will you keep
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: working as hard? I've said this forever. The thing like
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the guys, the athletes I admire. I used to hate
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant as a kid because I was a big
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings fan. He was on the Lakers and the
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: hip Phil and Kobe and Shack. Not Kobe as much,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: but definitely Shack and Phil used to make fun of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like Sacramento and I used to him. And then as
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I got older, and then obviously once he passed and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: we got to kind of his just personality and retirement,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: he kind of felt like you got to know him.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It's like I respected the shit out of this guy
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: more just to That's why I've always loved Tiger Woods,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: why I've always loved Tom Brady. It's like, even when
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: they hit the pinnacle, they were filthy rich. It felt
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like they worked harder. And I always admired that because
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of looked at like if I was in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: their situation financially, would I on a daily basis, we
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: get the most out of me? And I guess you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: never truly know until you're putting that position. But I
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: just admired these guys that work like they have nothing
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: when they have everything. And you know, I think Tony Romo,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like it's pretty clear he got everything and kind of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: put it on cruise control. And the people at CBS
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that went to bat for him, that gave him this
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: incredible job coming out of you know, retirement, when his
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: career ended, weren't thrilled. And now because of that, like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: you need people in your corner, you need people to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: go you know what, I got a fucking war for
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: this guy, because if they thought that Tony Romo would
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: not be suspended, his job would not be in Jeopardy
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Week one, whichever game Nancy and him would be calling,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: like he would be in the booth if I'm a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: betting man on August eleventh, I don't think we ever
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: see Tony Romo's CBS again. I thought this a couple
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: of days in once they kind of released the statement
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: that he's suspended indefinitely, that they will fire him, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: then the next move was he'll sue for his money
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and they'll fight back, and then there'll be some undisclosed settlement.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: It is my probably big picture guess on the way
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: this plays out. And J. J. Watt will just take
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a spot. And I saw today Ross Tucker, who I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: met this year in person, I think for the first
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: time at the Super Bowl party. I followed his work
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: for a long time one on his podcast sometime this offseason.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I liked the guy a lot. Got elevated to the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: number two spot, and I think we've seen the last
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Tony Romo for a while. And it also shows like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and I get. I was thinking about this today eating lunch.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: If I was someone like him who had made I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what he made playing football, but he definitely
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: made a lot of money, right over one hundred million dollars,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and then you signed a contract for almost two hundred
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: million dollars I would have someone on my payroll that
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: when I was doing things around town that involved potentially
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: drinking or any work related thing where I could be
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: productive in the back of the car or any road trips,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that guy would be a full time staff member and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he would travel everywhere I went. It's like, even if
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I'm paying him fucking five hundred thousand dollars to be
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: my right hand man, go everywhere with me, I'm making
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: twenty million dollars a year, I'm already worth one hundred
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars before he even signed the contract.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Who knows how much Tony Romo made off the field
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: as the Dallas Cowboy quarterback when he was making player
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: money for ten plus years. Like, I think that's a
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: mist that I saw this clip, and I think I've
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: mentioned this on Instagram. Fifty Cent was doing an interview
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: and someone's asking him, like, when's the last time you
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: filled up your gas tank. He's like, I don't fill it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: My guest dank. He's like, I haven't driven in twenty years,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Well why would I drive? And you know it's safe
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to say fifty Cents probably got more money than Tony Romo.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: But this is the Tiger Woods. Thing like Tiger Woods
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: should have had a guy on staff that everywhere he
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: goes he gets driven. Now, if you want to drive
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: to the store, drive to go get tackle bell or
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: pickup dinner. Okay, but I'm talking about a situation like
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Tony Romo was in if he would have had that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: staff member, like a lot of prominent people have. Like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: whenever I see Tom Brady and you know, I think
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: last year or two years ago, when he first started Fox,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: he used to post on his YouTube channel when he'd
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: be traveling to different games, he'd always be in the backseat.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: This is when when the bird landed wherever. If he
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: was calling Philly Cowboys, he's calling Ram Seattle, and the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: guy would be filming in the back seat, you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: because he'd have a driver or a full time you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: car service wherever he went. You don't drive, Why the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: fuck would you dry, especially if you're gonna be boozing
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: when you have that much to lose, right, So, I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: think this bears all the responsibility you blame Tony twofold. One,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, bro, have someone on your fucking staff when
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you're making that much coin. And two, if you had
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: worked harder and the people that you know, part of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: having a job like that is also managing up those
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: guys were stowing your corner, you wouldn't be in this situation.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Pookah displ threw some NFL stuff. Pooka left practice today
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: with a ton of guys all over the league. You
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: know this is right about that time in camp people
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: start getting tight calves tight. Hammy's like, I don't make
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that much of that. The news though on Puka that
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I saw go on my Twitter timeline is on Schefter's podcast.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: He says one thing looming over some big name guys
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: throughout the NFL. He said, James Pierce, the dude in Atlanta,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that guy's getting suspended on the question is just how
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: many games? But two other guys who are in the
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: discussions to get suspended are Puka Nakua and Josh Jacobs.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And obviously Pukah's one of, if not the best wide
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: receivers in the league, and Josh Jacobs is a key figure,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, for the Green Bay Packers offense. And you know,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it's just it's something to keep an eye on. I honestly,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I hadn't really crossed my mind. I just assume like
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: everything that happened with Puka, the biting incident, some of
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the other incidents. I mean, those are things that you know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: if Roger wants to give him a one game mentioned,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I know who'd be rooting for that. That'd be Kyle
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Shanahan and Raheem Morris with the forty Diners. Same thing.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Who's playing I don't think it's is it Vikings Packers
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: week one? I think the Packers Bears. I don't think
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: they played the Bears week one? Maybe the Lions maybe
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that was last year. Uh, but that'd be a big blow,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: especially if it was multiple games. Uh. One thing that's
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: kind of cropping up on some of these guys, like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Nick Bosa towards a cl came out today tendonitis soreness.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Kyle claimed that it happens to a lot of ACL
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: guys the year. In return, he's more weak to weak
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: than day to day, Like, I'm sorry, that's a pretty
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: big concern. Same same thing with Rashaun Slater, who I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was actually a little surprised he was just full go
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: going into training camp given how bad his knee injury
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: was last year. He he's having some issues not able
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to practice these last couple of days. Again, they all
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: say it's not that big a deal. And if you
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: just told me that, like you're fully healthy and you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: just have a little soreness in a knee or little
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: hamstring tightness or a little little calf tightness or whatever,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it's training camp, no big deal. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: if you tell me you're a player coming back off
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: a severe injury and then you start practicing and then
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: things start swelling up, like, it's just not nothing to me,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Like it's not almost a monitor this, it's just something
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, because I know this, no
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: matter how hard you're practicing, you play harder in the games,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and there is more torque, there is more soreness, there
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: is more intensity that goes with once Week one starts
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and moving forward. So I obviously you know, rooting for
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Nick Boston, Rashaun Slater to be fully healthy. But sometimes
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: these you know, these knees, you have some of these
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: bad injuries. It never really recovers. And I think we're
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: so accustomed to, you know, Mahomes and Daniel Jones something
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: like are those guys just gonna make it less? Explosion
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and power that is asked of you when you play
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: quarterback than an offensive tackle setting and stopping bull rushes
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: or Nick Bosa bending the edge and shoving up against
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: guys like the torque. Playing on the line of scrimmage
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is just you're asking a lot, you know, of these
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: guys that also weigh, you know, how much to shun
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: slater Away three hundred twenty pounds, what's Bosaway two hundred
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and sixty five pounds. So it's just they have a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: lot more weight they're carrying around than some of these quarterbacks.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: It looked like the Bear signed Kobe Bryant from Seattle
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: this offseason and they were gonna have to be a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: defensive back first. Defense. I mean, their defense wasn't gonna
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: be great because I don't think their pass rush is
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that great. But they had a chance to. Jalen Johnson
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: came back full healthy, you know, after last year kind
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of being up and down battling some injuries. You draft
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the Oregon safety, big time athlete in the first round.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: You signed Kobe Bryant. All of a sudden, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: you got some of these other dbs rotating at the
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: other spot. It's like, okay, your defensive backfield could be
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: pretty solid. Right, your past rush isn't exactly gonna be
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the eighty five Bears, but your defensive backfield is gonna
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: be pretty good. Well, Kobe Bryant looked like he was
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: gonna miss a month, maybe, like, you know, eight to
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: twelve weeks. It came out today's getting surgery, and he's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: gone four to six months. So I think it's safe
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: to say probably a season's over last, but not least.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: This is a cool story. I guess players have been
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: begging Jackson Dark to slide, like it's been a police
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: slide Jackson, you know, and some of you guys are
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: so young you don't remember this. But when Michael Vick
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: was on the Atlanta Falcons, they got Bobby Cox to
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: work with him, the old rip recently passed, try to help.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: He was the Braves manager, try to teach him how
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to slide. I personally believe like there are certain attributes
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you have as an athlete that you kind of get
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: from like junior high. You know, they're just you have
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: that ability and that's in your thought process, and other
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: guys just don't really play like that. And Michael Vick
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: was never a slider. It didn't come natural to him.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But if you watch Russell Wilson play, maybe it's his
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: baseball background his slide. Rogers are pretty good slide. Their
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: slides were just smooth, you know. I don't know if
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Jackson Dart is a natural slider. If it's something you
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: try to force in, that could be a pretty tough transition.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But if you're the Giants, you want that guy out
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of the blue tent. You do not want him going
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: head first into places. So either run out of bounds
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: or fucking hit the ground feet first, because if you
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: go feet first, they can't leap at you. If you
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: go head first in the air like that, that's where
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you get some problems. And even if they get penalized,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: like you're putting your head first, bad things can happen there.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So it's funny some of these stories come out of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Giants training camp. It's hard to tell, like is this
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: going well? It's not going well, but that's part of
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: this time of years. Answer a couple of mailback questions
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and we'll get out of here. As a Falcons fan,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I get the hate the franchise is pretty pathetic. How
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: do you write them off of competing for the division
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: so easily? Though, on paper, they really haven't gotten worse.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: They tied the Panthers in the Bucks and beat the
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Saints twice. I don't really see how the other teams
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: have gotten significantly better either division feels like a crapshoot. Well,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I do feel the Panthers kind of came on at
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. They've added Jalen, They've added
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd. Now they've had a bunch of injuries. Still
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: some question marks. Fair I'm betting on the come with
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: these Saints. I think they're gonna be pretty good, but
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: that's fair to say you beat him twice, there are
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: still some question marks. I'm not the biggest Tefanski guy,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you know. I know everyone loves him, but he ran
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: a historically poor offense last year. The previous year they
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: were terrible on offense as well, kind of carried by
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz. Their quarterback situation. Michael Penis can't practice, he
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: can't go in life drills right now, so there's no
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: guarantee that he's gonna be ready for the first couple
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of weeks of the season. And Tua, who is always hurt,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: literally got hurt early in camp. But even let's say
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: he's ready to go. Do I feel great about you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: going into games with Tua Tongua by low? I don't you.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: James Spearce gotta get suspended. Jalen Walker tours ACL. Now,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: if you were I played quarterback, you could just hand
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it to Beijon NonStop and just throw Lali bops to
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: the big wide receiver and tight end because they're fucking good.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kyle Pitts is a huge target, and so
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: it was Drake London. But like, I'm sorry, I got
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: question marks with your pass rush because you drew the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: two guys you drafted in the first round last year,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: and in fairness, they looked Jas Pearce might be a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: major character concern, but holy shit, that guy can play.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: And Jalen Walker is just I don't know if he's
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: ever gonna be a fifteen sack guy, but he was
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be a really good player in the NFL for
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a long time and he's just gone. So I just
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: not a huge believer in the coach. Don't love the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: quarterback situation. You've already had two major injuries on your
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: front on defense. That fair to say, Like I do
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be dog shit. No do I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think you guys are gonna be You really weren't in
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: the mix last year. You rattle off some games late
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and made the record look a little bit better. But
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. Your running back's fantastic, love
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the engagement. Just heard you read something on Hurtz. The
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: discussion on Hurts was in the show I've Died on
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the Hill saying that fifteen quarterbacks in the league could
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: have won the Eagles Super Bowl. You're telling me if
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield was the Eagles quarterback with that roster and
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Barkley running for two K, he wouldn't win. See. I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: think it's a couple of things can be true. Jalen
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: was a really good player the two years they made
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls. He was a vistatile player, used to run
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a lot, played really well in some big games. Obviously
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: played well in the Super Bowl. But I'm with you,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Fangios an elite defensive coordinator. They had the best run
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: game in the league. Their offensive line was dominant that year.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: AJ was still humming got her. I almost said, got
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: her up. That's a golfer. Got urt Is the is
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the tight end. Yeah, I mean I there roster a
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago is really good now Fangio today,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: all right, maybe it might have been yesterday. And the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: thing with Vic is like no filter, I mean Nune.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He will just be like, yeah, the guy's out. I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: don't think how he loves it, but yeah, Jonathan Gernard
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: probably out in the rest of trading camp, right, Yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: not a big fauci guy, loser. He'll just he just
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: like Jesus Fanjo. He does not care late sixties. Will
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: just talk shit, which I appreciate. No filter on the man,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't give compliments easily. And he said today
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: that like Jalen or whenever he talked last the Jalens
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: looked really good. So he slimmed down. One thing that
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: jumped out to me, And this is what I've been saying.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: He looks like he's faster when Jalen is running, he is.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: He's a top ten quarterback when he has because he's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: a great deep ball thrower. He's a good scrambler to throw,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and he's an excellent running threat. So his dual threat
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: capabilities make him when he's playing like that when he
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: just last year is like I'm gonna be like Russell
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Wilson twenty twenty Pocket Quarterback. Only it's like, that's not
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: gonna work. But in this offense, there'll be a lot
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of like getting him on the move because they'll be
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: under center the play action, get him rolling out. It
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: actually could suit him really well if he's willing then
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: to take off. Only time will tell with that one.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I think my pen is leaking because I got pen
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: all over my hand. Couple more. I'm a dentist in
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Nashville and often listen to pod. Well, I'm writing patient notes,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I need to go to the dentist. I was kind
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: of looking around my teeth. I'm like, I don't think
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: I've gone two years. Whenever I go though, and I
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: haven't gone for a while, I'm always expecting, oh my god,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and then are always oh god, here he looked pretty good.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: They don't feel good in the bag. I feel like
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I got some cavities. I've never got my molars taken out.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: That's a conversation for a different day. Try to brush
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: a couple times a day. Water Pick Big water picks
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: a game changer. Love that water Pick. Was listening to
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: your episode of Years the other day and had a
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: random thought are there any tax advantages for these players
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: in the NFL while they're holding out? I know they
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: are likely W two employees, but would any of them
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: be able to write off any lost income for holding
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: out on their tax revenues. If so, I would have
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to imagine it's even a bigger incentive other than potentially
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: massive payday. Yeah, they're all W two employees, so there
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: aren't write offs. And you know these guys, I forget
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: the exact rule of when you start getting fined, like
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a day, but the young guys do
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: not get fined, so technically they don't lose any money
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: because their salaries start week one, so they're paid during
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: training camp a stipend like every player beside their off
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: season roster bonus or whatever. But if you make ten
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: million dollars or twenty million dollars as a player, you're
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: not receiving any of that during training camp. It kicks
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in week one, so you're not necessarily losing any of
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that income by holding out in August. Maybe the rules
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: were different in previous cbas, but currently, like any guy
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that's holding out is impacting their salary zero of what
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it will be this upcoming season in terms of what
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: it's currently on the books for. But yeah, I mean
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: they can't. No write offs. It's why. Where I think
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: they can do that is some of their off the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: field stuff, you know, create an LLC and kind of
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: work it through that. But in terms of football stuff,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like the way they're paid. Your tax advantage really, you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: is based on you get tax where you played. So
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: obviously the California guys have different experiences than the Texas
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: or Florida guys or the Titans players. You know, certain
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: divisions are pretty good for that, right. I would say
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the AFC South, if you play it in Nashville or Jacksonville,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you get eight or nine home games a year, you
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: get to or Houston and then you get to play
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the Titans and the Jags. I'm not exactly sure how
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the international game works, Like if I played in Australia,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I just be like, I'm just not playing Taxas, Like
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've never coming back here. But I think
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: that's automatically. It's like anyone using Gusto or whatever the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: just automatically does it. Question for the back dots on
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: cam Ward after watching The Quarterback Show reminds me a
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: little Brett Farv gunslinger mentality that is fun to root
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: for and intangible. Seems to be very serious about his craft.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I knew coach there over the last couple of years,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: and he said he really liked him. See he's a
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: little immature, you know, not in a bad way, but
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: just the expectations coming to the NFL, but just in
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: terms of like almost didn't even know what he didn't
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: even know. But the number one thing he said from
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the jump was like his heart was in the right place.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: He tried to do everything humanly possible the right way.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Was a big fan of the kid, and physically he
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: can move big arm. I saw a bunch of clips
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: coming out about Carnel Tait that you know, again, Bar's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: low there but looks pretty sweet. So your boy questioned
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that draft pick. Just some Twitter highlights, but he's making
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: some sweet catches in the corner of the end zone.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I think anytime you're kind of that gunslinger type, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, are you gonna play like that against the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Jags or the Texans that have sweet defenses. He kind
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: of got to be a consistent quarterback from the pocket.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: So but there's it's a hybrid, like you don't want
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to take away from their skills and day Ball worked
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: with Jackson Dart last year. I think there's some parallels
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: with those two quarterbacks kind of their style of play.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I get this question a lot how scouts are judged
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in the front office, Like do you review your mispicks,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: your bad picks? How well a game plan can be
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: made if they're advanced opponents? Scouts, likability inside the building?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: How do they advance? I think a lot of advancement
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: in the league. Are you know, clearly you get a
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: reputation for being good at your job, being detail oriented,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: being on the right guys. Word kind of spreads, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: you know, you make human interactions if you're a road
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: scout with other scouts and some of those guys turned
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: into gms or vps and they hire you, and you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's similar to any industry. It's a relationship
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: business people you meet people you gravitate toward as you
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: guys you know rise in the ranks. You you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like people that you feel comfortable with and that you
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: know and you've had long term relationships with, right, I mean,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I think that happens a lot in the NFL. Right, Like,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: how do most of these jobs and guys create like
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: how do you hire an assistant GM when you get
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a GM job, or how do you hire you know,
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  Speaker 1: your head of college scouting. It's no different than some
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: guys like, well, how did uh look at John Harbaugh?
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  Speaker 1: His his offensive staff room is Matt Naggie, who comes
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  Speaker 1: from Andy Reid, who John Harbaugh's NFL career was basically
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: created by and Greg Roman, who has been his offensive
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: coordinator in Baltimore and his brother's offensive coordinator. So you
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: typically hire people like now, every once in a while,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you're Jim Harbaugh, you don't know Mike McDaniel. You hire them, right,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: the Eagles, they Sean Mann, they know them. But a
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: lot of times that's not the way it works, Right,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan needs a DC, he gets Robert Sahl to
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  Speaker 1: come back, Robert Sahl leaves, he needs a new DC.
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  Speaker 1: He gets Rahie Morris, who's worked with countless places. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of that, and sometimes you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like that as a scout, you're not judged as often
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  Speaker 1: as you think of like misses and hits. I think
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  Speaker 1: because it's not concrete, because you're be like well, a
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  Speaker 1: the coaching staff screwed him. Well he got injured year two.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty easy to make excuses. I think
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  Speaker 1: with the advanced scouting, every team's a little bit different.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: You know, certain defensive coordinator offensive coordinator wants specific things.
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  Speaker 1: Some are more detailed, some or not. But no matter
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  Speaker 1: what you give them, an offensive or defensive coordinator is
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: still going to put together their own game plan, right,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and they have notes of running opponents, especially divisional opponents
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  Speaker 1: or teams they consistently play in the conference. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like you're not gonna tell them ten things, and they're
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: gonna do all those ten things. Now, maybe you give
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: them a couple ideas you hammer home on a specific player,
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  Speaker 1: especially when there's turnover in the roster and new guys
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  Speaker 1: are getting reps. You could help them up to speed
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  Speaker 1: on that. But I think with the advanced reports like
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  Speaker 1: Vic Fangio or Brian Flores or you know, Sean McVeigh,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna build their game plan the way they want
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: to build their game plan. That was my experience in
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: talking to somebodies, and still kind of do that now.
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  Speaker 1: The closer your relationship gets over the years with said
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  Speaker 1: coordinator in your building. The more and more they listen
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  Speaker 1: to you. It's like anything, the more they trust you,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the more they rely on you, maybe they ask you
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: to do more. That's a tough job, traveling taking red
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: eyes building game plans right in advance reports. I did
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that one year just for a couple. It was that
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not gonna last this thing. I
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  Speaker 1: can't do this. This is I feel more like a coach.
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  Speaker 1: I was much better off on the road meeting different people,
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  Speaker 1: scouting colleges using my personality. I was not just I
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  Speaker 1: was not an advanced guy. That that was not my strength.
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  Speaker 1: That was a major weakness for me. I'm like, I
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: have no future in the business doing this any more.
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  Speaker 1: Questions I got a fucking ink all over my hand
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: mail bag. Question. I recently watched all the Rocky movies
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  Speaker 1: for the first time. Do you remember these movies when
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  Speaker 1: you were a kid and the cultural impact it had? It?
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  Speaker 1: Never I've never been more inspired after watching a film
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  Speaker 1: in my life. Well, I think, did Rocky one come
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: out like seventy six, seventy seven. I googled this question
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  Speaker 1: because like the Rocky that always stood out to me
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  Speaker 1: was Rocky four when he fought Drago and the famous
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: montage of him running through the snow and training in
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: that little kind of wood cabin. Think that movie came
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  Speaker 1: out in nineteen eighty five, so I don't even think
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  Speaker 1: I would have been one then. But I think the
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  Speaker 1: Rocky movie, you know, is a little like Rudy, just
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  Speaker 1: the what those movies stood for, you know. I saw something.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a biography coming out on Sylvester Sloan about
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's like, you know, like the Johnny cash
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Or almost said, ray Lewis, what the fuck's the guy's name?
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, get up at four o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: your your brain just not firing at all on all pistons,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: like they're just not It's just I just got you know, Yeah,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I couldn't fall asleep last night, probably got like four
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  Speaker 1: hours of sleep. It's not Ray Lewis, blind guy. I'm
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: sound like suching you. But you know, movies like I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: watched the Eldest Movie, I don't know within the last year.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Michael Jackson movie. I think a
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  Speaker 1: similar kind of movies coming out on Sylvester Saloone. I
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  Speaker 1: think the thing he gets most credit for is like
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  Speaker 1: he wrote that script and it was kind of about
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  Speaker 1: his underdog mentality. I think the one thing that Philly
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: has is they kind of have that personality of their
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  Speaker 1: chip on their shoulder, the underdog mentality. And I think
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  Speaker 1: it gets back to like, yeah, we're not in New
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  Speaker 1: York City, which is right up the road, you know,
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  Speaker 1: We're not Washington, c Is where like the president and
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  Speaker 1: the people that run the country live, you know. So
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  Speaker 1: there's just this element that Rocky represented a certain type individual.
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  Speaker 1: Now I don't know why Rocky never put his gloves
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  Speaker 1: in front of his face. He just took so many shots,
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  Speaker 1: but beating Drago. The final scene when he gives the
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  Speaker 1: speech to everyone in Russia, the chick Drago was banging
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  Speaker 1: who I think slided up in real life. The blondie
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: who also Flavor Flav was Ray Charles was sleeping with
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  Speaker 1: when she got a little bit older. I love Rocky four.
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  Speaker 1: I love Rocky four, but I think Rocky and Rudy
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  Speaker 1: like that. Even though the Rudy story, I think Joe
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  Speaker 1: Montana's gone on record like he hated that movie because
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  Speaker 1: he thought, like, that's not exactly how it was. But
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  Speaker 1: the montage when Rocky's getting his ass kicked, or when
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  Speaker 1: Rudy's at practice running the scout team and just getting throttled.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't know if they make movies like that anymore,
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  Speaker 1: those stretches. I'm just a sucker for a good montage
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  Speaker 1: in any movie. And the Rudy montage of practice and
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  Speaker 1: the Rocky workout montages or the Rocky fighting montages are
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  Speaker 1: as good as they got. So I'd say culturally, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the Rocky montage or the Rocky series kind of created
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  Speaker 1: one of I mean, these both these guys are old now,
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  Speaker 1: but when I was a kid, there weren't. There was
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: no one in Hollywood bigger than Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bruce Willis kind of, I would say, pulled
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  Speaker 1: up right next to him, and then they created this
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: thing called planet Hollywood. They were all partners, even though
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: they were rivals. But I mean, you talk about action
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: movie stars, you think Sylvester salone, you think Arnolds Horsmaker.
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  Speaker 1: Can you help me understand when on this why a
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  Speaker 1: key messador is so underrated as a first round pick.
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  Speaker 1: He's twenty five. Sure, most edge rushers don't hit their
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: peak until they're twenty five, So the Chargers essentially can
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  Speaker 1: get an edge rusher hitting his peak now on a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: cost control contract for the next five years. How is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: that not peak value? Coaches in front offices aren't as
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: concerned and what's gonna happen five years from now? They
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: care about winning in the next few years. I feel
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  Speaker 1: the same as a fan. Why don't Why do so
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: many people hate on this pan? I don't know. You
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: must not have watched Miami because obviously ruben Bain got
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the headlines. Would ruben Bain go fifteen to sixteen in
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  Speaker 1: the draft? Messidor just won a couple picks later? I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: would guess Messador of the next three years is like
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: twenty seven to thirty sacks. I think he is going
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: to be a highly productive pass rusher for the Chargers.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a really good player.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of in agreement if I tell you,
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  Speaker 1: over the next three years, Messador gets them twenty eight
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and a half sacks. Do you think they give a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: shit that at the end of those three years he's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: twenty eight years old? No? I mean, who care? This
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: gets back to the JJ McCarthy thing that this is not.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not investing in uh, you know, Carvana hoping you
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: know that it changes the world over the next twenty
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: years in car purchases and dealer ships don't even exist, right,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: That's I'm not looking at this like two thousand and forty.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this right now. I need messador rushing
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  Speaker 1: the pastor week two, week six in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not worried about twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: No one's guaranteed to have a job in the NFL
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. You just never know. Things can
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: change like that on the field off the field, guys.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I mean Sean McVay a couple of years ago almost
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: just quit, almost just quit. Kyle Shanahan had just go
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: to surgery for ten hours in an accident that he
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: was going twenty miles an hour. What if you just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: would have died? You fucking there's nothing in Kyle Shannon
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: once said, Tomorrow's not guaranteed. That's life. I think football
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: is a lot like that. We think and listen, I'm
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: talking both sides out of my or out of both
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: sides of my mouth, because I'm a huge like, go
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: for the seiling, go for everything. Pick twenty two. I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: don't think you could do much better than Messador. I
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: was a huge fan, watched a lot of Miami last year.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Those two pass rushers were men playing with boys. Most
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: of the year they were ass kickers. So I'm with you,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not as bothered by the age. Now would I
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  Speaker 1: take him over? You know, if I was picking pick
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: four and it was like between him and rvel Res, like, okay,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take a swing for rvel Rees, but there is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: no guarantee over the next five years. Even if I
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: took rvel Rees over Messidor, like history would say, Messidor
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: we look back in three years could be the better player.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, hell, we know that forty eight forty nine
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: percent of these players in the first round get second
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: contracts with their the team that drafts them. So as
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: much as we love all these first rounders, some of
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: them are not going to work out because they get injured,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: because they're just not good enough. And some of them
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: that you just think, like eh, are gonna be core
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: pieces for the team moving forward. So I'm a huge fan.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just you could argue that's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit lazy, Like, what if I just get two contracts
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  Speaker 1: out of the guy. I get the guy for eight years,
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  Speaker 1: So I get him from twenty five to thirty two,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: thirty three years old, and he gets he's extremely productive player,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: mix a couple of Pro Bowls. The overwhelming majority of
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: players that aren't quarterbacks do not get a third contract,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: even the good ones. So yeah, if I can give
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: the guy two contracts, that's a fucking win. If I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: can just after a couple of years think like I'm
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: gonna want this guy on my team after his rookie contract,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that's a win. So I I think that's a little
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: bit lazy to like, oh, he's just twenty five, it's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: not thirty eight. You know, Khalil Max thirty five and thriving.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: So if you're a focused guy, hard worker, keep carr
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: of your body. I think we got to change ages
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit, right. Thirty used to be really old.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: You ever look at a picture sometimes with like guys
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: from the sixties and seventies, like famous people, and you're like,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: oh my god. You know when that pops up on
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: like Instagram, it'll be some show you watched as a kid,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and it'll be like the dad and the dad will
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: be your age, be like the dad's thirty thirty seven
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: years old in this photo, you're like, or they do
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: it with the sopranos sometime, like Tony was forty two
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: in this pic, like Tony looks sixty. And I don't
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: know if it's just dudes drank more nightly, they smoked cigarettes,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: they just warn't as healthy. Probably a lot of different
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: variables there, but I think that's parallel sports as well.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not asking everyone to be like Lebron James
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: or Tom Brady, but I do think you know, historically,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys in the Hall of Fame had
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: like nine year careers. So if you came in the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: league at twenty two, you were done by like thirty
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: thirty one years old. That's kind of done now. I mean,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: look how many guys throughout the league at different positions
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: are still playing at a really high level in their
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: mid thirties, especially defensive line. I can think of like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: three off time, cam Heyward, how olds he kalais Campbell,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: how old's he? I mean, some of these guys used
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the litztart looking around. Brandon Graham was he was retiring
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: on his own. It wasn't because the Eagles wanted to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: get rid of him and help they If Brandon Graham
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: they wanted to back last year, he came back. If
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: he wanted to play this year, they would have gladly
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: had him. Is he on the team? I have to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: google that one. Maybe he is a camp I don't know.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: But a lot of these guys voluntarily step away, not
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: because the team, their teams don't want him, so vidaveas
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: thirty one to thirty two Thriving just I think they're
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: just hesitant to give a guy an extending contract. But
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: someone team will. I If the Bucks won't, someone else will.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. Good, take Audie else and uh enjoy
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Rocky if you haven't seen it. Number four is my
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: personal favorite the volume. Mm hmm