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159: The Metabolic Health Crisis: How Neil Gyte Left Google to Build a Root-Cause Health AI · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

6:04
Neil Guy, welcome to the QVC podcast.
6:09
Thank you, Meredith. It's wonderful to be here. Very much looking forward to
6:12
our conversation. Okay, me too. Because
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I have to say, I've had a lot of people on this podcast who've gone
6:19
on a journey from the medical industry
6:23
into metabolic and quantum
6:27
health. But I think you might be by the first big tech
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story. Well,
6:34
hopefully the first of many, if that's the case. Yes, I
6:38
think so. I think that's what it's going to be. Okay, so
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let's start sort of, we'll back up a little
6:45
from where you are now with this incredible offer
6:49
of an independent AI that is going to help us
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connect with information in the metabolic and quantum health space.
6:57
But backing up a little bit. You were an employee
7:01
of a. Of a small company perhaps, perhaps people
7:04
may have heard of, called Google. And
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you are having health challenges. So let's start there. Yes.
7:13
So, yeah, So I spent 12, 12 great years at Google, actually,
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and my whole career has been in tech. Digital mapping and
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geography was my first love. Back to kind of university days when
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I came across computer programming and the fact that you could
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model the real world inside a
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computer and use that to ask and answer loads of different questions
7:34
that obviously it was difficult to necessarily do in the real world. And
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so digital geography was my first love. I kind of fell into
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consulting, building software programs, and I ended up joining
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Google. Being at Google for 12 years, really building the Google Maps, the
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Google Earth, kind of the developer platform that a lot of
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the, you know, developers. Oh, I didn't realize that's what you worked on.
7:57
Yeah. So I have to say, like, I'm just going to jump in for a
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sec. Like, a seminal moment in my life in
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terms of my relationship with technology was when Google Earth first
8:08
came out and you could look at the roof of your house
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and then hit zoom out and have it pull back and back and back and
8:15
back and back and back and back and back until you were seeing the full
8:18
Earth. Like, I have to say, that was kind of a spiritual experience.
8:22
So that's really cool. I think it was. I think for most
8:26
people. I remember the first time that I used Google Earth and I
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was doing my Master's in Geographical Information Science in
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Edinburgh. And, you know, typical kind of science lab, they had this
8:36
underground basement with no windows, just kind of darkness. And at the time
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we were using command line interface to run software
8:44
programs. And one of the other guys on my course
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said, hey, have you seen this new Google Earth tool? And
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so we downloaded it and similar to you, I was just blowing, you know, going
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from this command line, understanding the world to being able to
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zoom anywhere in the world was just. And from that moment I was like, right,
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I want to go work for Google.
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A few years to get there. But I ultimately did because I just, you know,
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Google's Earth and Maps mission, to kind of map every square inch of the
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planet and make that digitally accessible for everyone to understand,
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interact with the real world is a pretty amazing mission. And So I
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had 12amazing years at Google, kind of being part
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of the team building that. But as
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we said, I also then had kind of, I would say, my own health journey
9:31
in parallel, which led to me in the end deciding to leave
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Google. So, yeah, happy to dig into that.
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So what was going on with your health? Yeah,
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so if we'd have spoken probably about 11 years ago now, I was
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260 pounds. I'm pretty sure that I was pre
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diabetic and I'm sure fast track to many of the major chronic
9:54
diseases. And that was just travel,
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lifestyle work, thinking that sleep didn't matter.
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And ultimately I hadn't connected the knowledge of how
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what I consumed and the kind of the environment that I live in and what
10:09
I did to my body actually had a huge impact on health. My
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kind of turning point, the seminal moment, was becoming a father
10:17
at my daughter's christening. Sport had always been a big part of
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my upbringing. I swam a lot, played rugby,
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did a bunch of other tennis, different sports. But I was so out
10:28
of shape at my daughter's christening. You know, family, friends and kids were
10:32
playing football, soccer, kicking a ball around. So I went to join in
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and literally after two minutes, I had to sit down because I was out of
10:39
breath. And I just had this seminal moment of
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how can I be an active father if I can't even spend two minutes kicking
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a football around? You know, kids are running circles around me. And
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so that just set me on a slightly new path because I had the right
10:53
motivation to be the best father that I could be. And
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so I just started to learn and educate, be more conscious
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about what I ate, put better foods in my body. I. I started exercising
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more. Before I knew it, I'd signed up to a sprint triathlon.
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I absolutely loved that. And then went down the slippery slope into
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the kind of endurance, ultra endurance world. So I kept on doing longer
11:16
and longer triathlons until I eventually did a couple of full
11:19
Iron Mans. And so it was through that that I really got
11:23
introduced to metabolic health. Because when you're pushing your body for,
11:27
you know, 9, 10, 11 hours straight. Understanding how your
11:30
body produces, creates energy is really important. And so
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through that, I was amazed to learn that your body actually
11:37
utilizes fat as a fuel source as well as carbohydrates. Because
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the mantra and the paradigm is, you know, sugar and carbs. If you don't have
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that, you're going to bunk after two hours and your body is going to stop
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working. And so a lot of my time through that
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was focused on, you know, more lower carb approaches, making
11:56
sure I had metabolic flexibility to utilize different fuel substrates
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because it makes you more efficient as an athlete, but also, as I came
12:03
to realize in later years, it's much more healthy for you from a, you know,
12:07
from a longevity perspective. And so I would say that was my
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kind of first journey myself. But even through that, I hadn't connected the
12:14
dots of just how important our mitochondria and metabolic health were.
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I thought I knew a lot, but actually didn't. The second chapter
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of my journey was really then the impact of chronic
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disease on different family, loved ones and friends. So I had
12:30
very close family members being diagnosed with
12:34
autoimmune diseases, with depression,
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with bipolar, different, you know,
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cardiovascular diseases. But it was about two and
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a half years ago, almost three years ago now. A very close family member's stage
12:49
four cancer diagnosis really got me digging into what
12:53
causes cancer. How do you stop? How do you reverse cancer? And I came across
12:56
the amazing work of Thomas Seyfried and Nasha Winters and the
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metabolic approach and theory of cancer. And as I dug into that and
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realized that ultimately cancer is really a
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metabolic mitochondrial disease that is
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perverse and preventable through natural
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metabolic therapies. And there are thousands of examples out there on
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the Internet of people having amazing success.
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That kind of blew my mind that, because
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the common paradigm that you, that you read about through the news
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outlets, through all of the current modern technology platforms is cancer is
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a genetic disease. It can be caused by, you know, environment and
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toxins and so forth, but ultimately, you know, chemotherapy, radiation,
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immunotherapy are the only ways to treat it. But even at stage four,
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often they just extend life. They don't tend to
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reverse stage four. Whereas there are, you know, thousands of stories out
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there of people putting stage four cancer into remission. So
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that really got me kind of understanding that
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the vast majority of these chronic diseases are preventable and reversible. And
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I was still at Google at the time, and I remember having this seminal
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moment of back to kind of Google Maps and Google Earth. And
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one morning before my day, I just remember thinking
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the world of digital mapping is in pretty good hands. Everybody knows Google Maps,
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Google Earth, Apple Maps, you know, it's, it's such
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a pervasive part of everyone's lives.
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And I then had this knowledge around how important mitochondria,
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metabolic health were. And I thought that I knew a lot about health. And I
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also realized this was the start of my journey. I didn't even know about quantum
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biology yet or the importer of, you know, what the importance of water,
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light and magnetism. But still back then I was thinking, well, I'm
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probably one of the most educated people that I know in my circles yet, you
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know, almost nobody, there's a very small population really knows and
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understands this. And that was one of the main kind of, I would say,
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pivotal moments of me deciding to leave Google and make a
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new mission to try and help a billion plus people in true ex Google style.
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You know, you can't have, you can't have, you know, simple,
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easy goals, but no small goals. No small goals. But when you look
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into the, obviously you look at the stats and you see that, you know,
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93% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy and are
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on the fast track to developing one of the chronic diseases that. Chronic
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diseases, you know, 74% of
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the world's deaths are chronic disease related. It's like 54 million
15:28
people a year. And then you understand that probably 90% of those are
15:32
preventable and reversible. And I've seen from impact on my own
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family and through others the, you know, the suffering that happens
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in parallel with these chronic diseases. So I was sat
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kind of thinking, well, the world's in good hands for
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digital mapping. Very few people know, more people know, need to know about
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metabolic mitochondrial health. And that was one of the pivotal, I
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would say, decisions of me deciding to leave Google and set myself this kind of
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new crazy goal. Because yeah, the world needs
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more people, tools, technology, people,
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you know, amazing like yourself and the QVC and all of the network
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that you have. Because a lot more people need to be educated about
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true root cause health. Yes.
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Wow. And good for you for listening to that call,
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heeding the call, so to speak. Right. It's like you
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and I are not in and of ourselves health experts,
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but we got to the point where we're like, we know so much
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more than our peers and there is no one talking to them
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about this. So how can we use our
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skills, our talents to contribute to the
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spread of, of this, of the truth really.
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Is what it is and it's. And it wasn't actually, I make
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it sound easier than it was to make that decision, but it was also,
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it was actually a really difficult, I would say, decision to
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make. And actually, yeah, I mean, you have. A
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wonderful job at one of the top companies in the world working on something
17:06
that you like and believe in. That is huge, what you
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did. Huge. Like, yeah, talk us through it.
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Well, I was going to say actually it's part of my
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continual learning journey is for years I've tried to
17:21
get more into meditation, but never really saw the
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benefit. I stopped, started, stop started, stop started.
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But around the time that a lot of this was happening, I'd managed to get
17:33
back into the habit. And so, but I was just doing kind of guided
17:37
meditation, you know, kind of 20 minutes a day. And
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I actually had just come back from, I went to the
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Metabolic Health Summit, which is one of the kind of conferences events
17:48
in Florida. So this was back maybe two and a half years ago.
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And, you know, I'd obviously spent the last couple of years reading
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a lot into Metabolic Health, reading books, kind of devouring content and
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learning. Being at that conference and, you know, seeing people
18:03
like, you know, Ben Bickman present and kind of a lot of these people that
18:06
have been reading their work and being surrounded that community
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obviously kind of just gave me a lot of sense of, wow,
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there's a really amazing community around this. But I got back home and the
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following morning I was having, I was doing my meditation
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and again, just a guided meditation. All of a sudden my brain just kind of
18:25
switched into a different mode, different gear, and it was like the last
18:29
kind of 20 years of different experiences all just kind
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of collided and this experience happened. Maybe it was like 10,
18:36
15, 20 seconds, but it was just such an out of
18:40
body experience. And that was when this notion,
18:43
inspired by others, that I need a new new North Star, I
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need to, I need something audacious. And that's when I kind of came up
18:51
with this, right? My mission has to be to help a billion plus people
18:55
to become metabolically healthy. But I remember coming out of
18:58
that meditation and immediately it was the negative thoughts of,
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you know, that's absolutely. How are you going to do that? How are you going
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to do that? Who do you think you are? You know, you don't actually know
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anything, you know, well, you obviously know something about metabolic health. But
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all those negative things started and, but I'd listen to enough
19:17
podcasts about that negative chat and so I literally, I went
19:21
into the bedroom. My wife was just waking up and I just said, I have
19:24
to share this with you because if I don't share it with someone,
19:28
then I might well chicken out of this and kind of not do it. So
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I shared, I shared it with my wife. And just even that accountability of
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kind of putting it out there helped kind of create the
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seeds for me to ultimately, you know, follow that. But
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still, you've got this head versus heart of exactly what you just
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mentioned. You've got a great job, a great team, a great company that you
19:50
love. But the counterbalance of that is actually there are people
19:54
suffering out there with all these diseases that need help and access to information.
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And so. So, yeah, so it hasn't been an easy
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last kind of couple of years transition out of that. But.
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But it's, but it's, it's very pure and purposeful and that
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gives me, I would say, a lot of the drive to continue to try
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and build technologies and tools and other things that help people
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because the world needs it now more than. More than ever.
20:23
Well, Neil, well done. You know, I think
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a lot of people hear the whisper of inspiration and it's like,
20:31
what? No. And, you know, some people maybe aren't in
20:35
a position to do it financially or otherwise, but
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to be able to connect to that calling,
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to feel that higher level inspiration and.
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See a way that you could help to meet a need in the world
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is. Really inspiring. So thank you
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for following it. It could. I understand it was not
20:58
straightforward. These things never are.
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I sometimes hear myself being. Yeah, and then we did this and then we. Then
21:05
we sold our house and moved to Louisiana for a year. And people are like,
21:08
yeah, yeah, but like the actual micro decisions
21:12
and of. Are we really gonna do this? Oh, my God. Like
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what? I. I totally agree.
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Inspiration from, you know, people like yourself and others. So I was listening to a
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lot of, you know, different podcasts at the time and, and
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yeah, others talking about, you know, through those challenging times and,
21:30
and I think so much of it is back to, as you say,
21:33
connecting a little bit more to the universe
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or kind of whatever you call it. And I've been definitely been
21:41
pulled in this direction for many years, but it was getting stronger and stronger
21:44
and stronger. And that's just where. Yeah, I just, I had to
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tune into that and say, no, I think this is, I think this is what
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I'm supposed to be doing. So, you know, let's. Let's take a
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different turn in life and see where it leads.
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Yes. And this is, I think, one of the sort of
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unintended consequences of having really healthy
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mitochondria is that our mitochondria, you know, as
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we know, our antenna to our environment, but they're an antenna to
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all kinds of. All kinds of
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energies. And so our ability to
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be inspired, the kinds of ideas we're going to have, our ability
22:26
to see, see a vision, I think all of these
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things are enhanced. You know, even if we're just starting out to like, oh, I'm
22:33
just going to improve my health a little. It's like that is
22:37
only the beginning. It is. I
22:41
totally agree. But this is also back to, I think,
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I would say one of also the reasons why
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we're calling the service Metabolic why is because there's this element of
22:52
wisdom which has been there for the generations that knows this, that I think has
22:55
been lost a lot through the last 50, 60, 70
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years. But I would also say, you know, a few years ago, if
23:03
we'd have had this conversation, I would have been very dismissive, you
23:06
know, of that. But the more you learn, the more I think you
23:11
kind of connect with yourself a little bit more, the more you start to,
23:14
to realize that and the more you learn about mitochondria
23:18
and which is one of the things that we're really trying to do with Metabolic
23:21
wise is, you know, sadly, the biology textbooks, everyone
23:25
still just thinks, oh, it's the powerhouse of the cell, it creates energy. And
23:28
okay, that's one of things it does. But as you said, it is
23:32
a truly kind of amazing organelle
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that actually controls what happens in every kind of cell tissue of your body
23:39
through inputs, through the way it connects and signals to
23:43
other mitochondria. And the more you learn and understand that,
23:47
then the more you kind of start to get curious and so trying to
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kind of build this into a service to meet people where they are
23:54
that help kind of, you know, lead people there because it is,
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it's a journey for, for everyone. But I've come to
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realize that they are, yeah, way more powerful than, than even
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I ever thought. And even right now, way more powerful than we
24:09
understand. Even right now. The science is pretty amazing.
24:13
Each day, week, year that goes by.
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Yes. And I think we're just at the very beginning the, the
24:21
field of quantum biology is exploding. Um,
24:25
the, there are independent labs being funded all over the place. A
24:28
coup. You know, even some universities are starting to have quantum biology labs,
24:32
which is interesting because you can't actually study it in
24:36
undergrad. So it's like, it's, it's sort of like this
24:39
decentralized phenomenon of curious
24:42
scientists who are, who see the validity of
24:46
it then coupled, I think we now have a lot of.
24:53
Investment from people who can see potential
24:56
technologies and products coming out of it. So I think that's where a lot of
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the funding has started to come from. Which brings it back to,
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you know, what you and I are focused on, which is making
25:07
sure that the, that the knowledge can be distilled
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down for regular people in their
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day to day lives. And, and you know,
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if someone develops a light based cancer
25:22
treatment that's FDA approved in 10 years, like
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amazing, but right now, like right this minute,
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and that's where I see what you have built to
25:33
be just so, so crucial and important. And I
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would love for you to explain what it is.
25:41
Yes, yes, of course. Well, firstly, I would also,
25:45
through this, I would love to hear, I would say your feedback, I know gave
25:48
you access and you've had a little bit of a play around.
25:51
But let's start with the problem that we're trying to solve because I think
25:55
it's always great to have that as a lens. So the
25:59
problem we're trying to solve, as you and most of your listeners I think
26:02
know our healthcare system and the knowledge and technology
26:06
are generally very good at acute care, but they really fail at
26:10
chronic disease because they're managing symptoms, not really looking at
26:13
root cause. At the same time, everybody's
26:17
lost in a sea of conflicting health information. So for
26:21
every article you read about something curing cancer, you'll read that it
26:24
cures cancer. So there's all this conflicting information.
26:29
And the main resources that people go to, like Google,
26:31
ChatGPT, etc. They don't have
26:35
metabolic root cause understanding of the major chronic
26:39
diseases. So the answers reflect the majority of the science which has been
26:43
big food, big pharma, big tech driven. And so the
26:46
facility, they're focused on isolated biomarkers rather than
26:50
actual health outcomes. And there is
26:54
a lot of amazing kind of, you know, metabolic and quantum
26:57
biology science out there, but it's dwarfed
27:01
by the 90% of all of the rest of the studies which
27:04
are kind of, you know, focused on very individual, specific kind
27:08
of mechanisms. And so what that leads to is when you go
27:12
to Google and ChatGPT and you ask, you know, what causes cancer, how do you
27:15
stop, how do you reverse cancer? You won't get any mention of
27:19
metabolic therapies that actually
27:22
fundamentally understand the disease at its root cause. You will get a
27:26
reflection of, you know, chemotherapy, radiation,
27:30
immunotherapy, all of these kind of, you know, I would say different
27:33
standard of care, which generally don't tend to
27:37
be very successful at reversing stage 4 cancers, whereas
27:41
metabolic therapy has been very effective at
27:44
reversing stage four cancer. So that's the problem we're trying to solve.
27:48
So what have we built? We've built an AI based tool called Metabolic
27:52
Wise, which really, it uses AI and
27:55
technology to really map and understand the world's credible
27:59
metabolic health science, helping everybody to find
28:03
evidence based root cause knowledge and really to help make
28:06
sense of it all. So we translate complex metabolic
28:10
and quantum biology science into accessible wisdom
28:14
through a chatbot interface. And I think one of the
28:18
amazing things about AI and chat technologies is
28:22
it can meet you where you are. And so if you have simple
28:26
questions, it can give you simple answers. If you have more complex questions, you can
28:29
get more complex answers, you know, versus kind of the traditional way
28:33
of, you know, having to spend hours reading books or
28:37
reading articles to kind of find and dig what you want to, you can get
28:40
to the heart of the question that you're asking, you can get an answer.
28:44
And we then link to science papers, to podcasts, to YouTube
28:48
videos, to testimonials, to articles. So and
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that's a very curated set of,
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you know, intentionally so. And so people can then really
28:59
kind of find and connect with content that can educate themselves and then
29:03
they can hopefully go down this kind of rabbit warren of learning. And, and we
29:06
built in some of the cool features like suggested follow on questions
29:10
which really kind of help to prompt to, for you to think
29:14
down kind of different areas. Because when you do look at kind
29:18
of health and optimal health and disease prevention, mitochondria are
29:22
a huge part of that. And important into that are all of the signals that
29:25
it takes a lot of people focus on food and nutrients, which is, you
29:29
know, one port. But as you know, light, water, magnetism are
29:33
also really important signals that our mitochondria take in
29:37
that ultimately impact how they, how they operate.
29:40
And so how to kind of, you know, explain
29:44
that in a simple way to users that help build these follow on questions that
29:48
pique their curiosity so they can go down the rabbit hole of
29:52
any specific chronic disease or any aspect of it to really
29:56
educate people so people can realize that they actually
30:00
have a lot more power in their own hands than a lot of your listeners
30:03
will know this already. But also, I think we all have
30:07
family and loved ones who aren't necessarily quite on the same journey that
30:10
we are. So one of the key kind of second
30:14
users are for those people who want to share content
30:17
with others. So we've also got a sharing content where you can ask a question,
30:21
get an answer, click share and that will effectively share just that question
30:25
and answer with someone else. So if you have somebody else who's
30:28
suffering or you want to kind of share this knowledge wisdom with
30:32
some podcast links and some articles and so forth, you can do that in a
30:35
very simple way. Rather than. If I look back at my journey,
30:39
I'm sure you're the same over the last few years is, you know, you have
30:42
to spend hours searching and research trying to
30:46
find the needles in there. And then the person is like,
30:51
you're like, here's my compilation of papers backing up that.
30:55
Why I mentioned the blue blockers. It's like they don't want to read that,
30:59
they just want to know that you're not crazy because they've never heard of what
31:02
you're talking about. And what I think is super, super,
31:07
like just life changing about this is that
31:11
a lot of the time when a diagnosis comes through or a health
31:15
condition reaches a critical point.
31:19
Right. Like the person and the experiencing it and the people
31:23
closest to them are in crisis mode. Yeah. And that is a tough
31:26
time to find the energy to
31:30
research. And so I think that is, you know,
31:34
I often say that the medical system is a, you know, a crisis management system
31:38
and they're very good at that, but.
31:42
They also in a way take advantage of it because you're not in
31:46
a, you're not in learning mode when you're, when you get a stage
31:49
four diagnosis, you're in freak out mode. And so anything
31:53
that can make it easier to get to the
31:57
essence of what would be useful for you in
32:01
that particular moment or for someone close to you
32:04
who wants to do it. This is a huge
32:08
unlock, like huge.
32:11
Yeah. So I really hope it's useful to that and really
32:15
myself. So I have two co founders, amazing
32:19
people, Steve and Jess, who both have managed to
32:22
reverse so called irreversible diseases. Steve
32:25
managed to reverse systemic lupus and Jess
32:29
reversed LADA latent onset autoimmune
32:32
diabetes through metabolic therapy. And so one of the other key things
32:36
that we've built into the platform as much as we can, that it's
32:40
kind of limited at the moment, we're looking to try and expand that is testimonials.
32:44
Because one of the things that I certainly found with supporting my
32:47
family member with the stage 4 cancer diagnosis is I want to find
32:51
somebody out there who's had same cancer, same stage, same
32:55
age, who've used Metabolic therapies to cure and
32:58
you know, reverse that because there just simply aren't, you know, randomized
33:02
controlled trials done about a lot of these things, you know,
33:06
for its, for its own reason. But for me, even just. And I remember
33:10
having to, you know, hunt around and kind of search and search and search to
33:13
try and find those. Because when you're in that crisis mode, if you can
33:17
relate and hear somebody else has been through a similar condition. For me,
33:21
oh, actually there's not just one person, there's multiple, you know, different people.
33:25
I think that is a really important part of, okay, I understand the science,
33:29
or I've now educated a little bit on the science, but are there other
33:33
people who've done, you know, the same thing? So really curating this combination
33:37
of science papers if you want to read them, but you know,
33:40
YouTube's articles, podcasts as well as
33:44
testimonials is kind of really important because all of
33:47
that factor into people's decision when especially
33:51
as you say, you're in kind of crisis mode, facing one of these
33:55
chronic diseases or a family member does, it just
33:59
really helps shorten that path and allow you to ask
34:02
all of the questions that you want and get immediate answers back.
34:06
So yeah, that's one of the other hopes that we have, that
34:10
the tool will be really helpful for people, people in that situation, having
34:13
been there ourselves. Yes. That's so cool.
34:18
Yeah. And now I'm like, I'm thinking because at the
34:21
Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, our next
34:25
phase is to teach practitioners how to do case study write
34:28
ups according to the standard, according to peer
34:32
reviewed publication standards. So maybe we could get a
34:36
pipeline of case studies going in to Metabolic. Wise
34:40
would absolutely love that because it is one of the, yeah,
34:44
there's just, there's not enough, I would say, well structured
34:48
testimonial content out there. There are a lot of good case studies that, you know,
34:52
have been published and that's, you know, that's great. But often
34:55
I would also encourage, you know, people obviously love videos as well as, you know,
34:59
reading case studies. And so, so the more of that we can
35:03
have, the better because there are so many amazing stories yet haven't been
35:06
captured that can, you know, inspire others. And hopefully people
35:10
don't get to the point where they have one of these advanced late stage
35:14
chronic diseases. Because I think that's one of the other things that
35:18
I've learned is, you know, the vast majority are
35:21
preventable if you take the right interventions early on.
35:25
But convincing people to do that is
35:28
difficult because it's Counter to everything that everyone's been
35:32
told for the last 50, 60, 70 years, the modern world is
35:36
set up really against that. If you look at the. The food environment,
35:39
the technology environment, just the. You know, the.
35:43
Especially if you live in a big city, the deck is. The deck is
35:47
stacked against you. And so people need the knowledge to be able to
35:51
understand how they can start to, you know, take
35:54
control of that and stack the deck in their favor. Because our
35:58
bodies are just. Especially the last 10, 15, 20 years, have been
36:01
exposed to so much more stress from so many different
36:05
angles than our bodies are designed for. And I think,
36:09
you know, the combination actually of mitochondrial dysfunction
36:13
and nervous system dysregulation, and the two are very
36:17
tightly connected, is actually kind of the root cause of
36:22
pretty much all of, I would say, you know, the modern diseases,
36:26
because we're just being. Yeah. Subject to so much more
36:31
stress in different ways than our evolutionary biology is
36:35
designed for. Yes. I mean, I was thinking
36:38
about that when you were talking about your office space
36:42
earlier. Working in a basement in front of a bunch of screens.
36:46
Yes. I mean, how many people, even if they're not in a
36:49
basement, even if they're in a high rise.
36:53
Maybe the windows are a little better than a basement during the day. But
36:57
we're contained within these
37:01
environments that are actively working against us on so
37:05
many levels, and we don't even realize it. And I think, you know, that's what
37:08
we're, you know, you and I are both trying to get at is like, you
37:12
know, knowledge is power. It's like if I was eating,
37:16
you know, gummy worms three meals a day, and someone was like, you know.
37:22
There is. There is. There are other ways to feed yourself. It'd be like, that
37:25
would be good information to have. And so if you want to just
37:29
speak to that for a minute, because I, you know,
37:33
you and I have taken drastic steps, but, like, not everyone will or
37:36
can. And so just the idea of
37:40
how a person who does have an office job can think about
37:44
this, like, you know, if I was an office worker being
37:47
like, neil, what are you talking about? Like, how would you sort of walk me
37:51
through that? Yeah. So I think the first thing to realize is,
37:55
yes, we have both taken drastic steps, but. But there was a
37:59
little, you know, it wasn't kind of like just a light switch. There was that
38:02
pivotal moment. But for me, I would say in 10 years
38:06
building up to that, I was on this journey of
38:10
learning and kind of educating myself. So I think that's just, you know, one
38:14
part of it. Is a lot of people will ultimately maybe get to a tipping
38:18
point moment. But I think the
38:22
way I would encourage approaching it is just, I would say, you know,
38:25
be curious and really think about our
38:29
biology through a little, just through an evolutionary lens
38:33
and then just seek to understand where you're at. And it's
38:37
not like you have to make dramatic changes overnight. Some people want
38:40
to, it's more about how can you. Okay, yeah, I'm in a, an office
38:44
job, I'm in my, you know, my office. What can I do?
38:48
Okay, well I can, you know, at least in the mornings I maybe I can
38:51
get up and you know, see 20 minutes of morning sunlight to at least start
38:55
to set my circadian rhythm. Can I, you know,
38:58
go out for lunch and at least get outside of the office to have, you
39:02
know, some natural light exposure I would say during the day. So there are
39:06
small things you can do to lead, I would say towards that. But
39:09
then there's also then as you build up the knowledge base. But to do that
39:12
you need to be convinced that actually, you know,
39:16
we're deficient in sunlight and it's a key driver of,
39:19
you know, mitochondrial and metabolic health. And so that's where
39:24
why we built metabolic wise to make kind of, I would say these
39:28
simple questions to start to help to educate people.
39:32
And I think a lot of it is then just around making small
39:36
different changes and
39:39
understanding that the environment and the signals that your body
39:43
takes in are really important. And then for everyone is going to
39:47
be starting from a slightly different place which is also where I love the
39:50
benefit of the AI kind of technologies and interface. Because
39:54
you know, you can start with that, it can start in light, you can start
39:57
with sleep, you can start with food, you can start with nutrition, just start
40:01
somewhere and then as you continue to be curious,
40:04
you'll change one things you'll see hopefully
40:08
changes in yourself. And that will start this journey that you go
40:11
on, which is a constant journey. Because I think one of the other biggest
40:15
misnomers that people expect is, you know, well, two things.
40:19
One is, you know, there's basically, there's one way of doing things
40:23
which works for everyone, which is totally the opposite. We're all
40:26
individual. But whilst we're all individual, what works for us
40:30
will change at different points in our lives or when we're on different locations
40:34
in, you know, on the planet or even when the context and
40:37
situation in our life changes. And that's where you know, you
40:41
think, oh, I've got this set, I've got my, I know my own body. I
40:44
know my biology. This is what works for me, for me. And that may work
40:48
for one period in your life, but five years later
40:52
something different might work for you. So this constant being open minded
40:56
to change and adapt and evolve. But I think the more that you can
40:59
look at things from an evolutionary perspective and
41:03
from a local seasonal perspective, kind of understanding where
41:07
we've evolved from as human beings, ultimately
41:10
mitochondria that have been around for two and a half billion years,
41:14
you know, kind of way longer than anything. And when you start to understand from
41:18
that perspective, I think it becomes easier to
41:21
start to make these changes because hopefully what
41:25
reflects back from that is actually I'm starting
41:29
to feel a bit better. I'm starting to see or notice a change and hopefully
41:32
for people it does lead to a significant, you know, change,
41:36
whatever that is. But I also think you can still have an office
41:40
job and thrive and be optimal. So it's not just to
41:44
say, because it's not realistic. I'm in an office right now, as are
41:47
you, to just live out outdoors all the time so you can
41:51
have this balance. I think it's more. How do you educate yourself just to
41:55
stack the deck in your favor to keep your
41:59
body in this nice, kind of more of an equilibrium state
42:02
rather than a chronic stress state?
42:06
Yes, yeah, absolutely. And understanding even just like
42:10
how to stack the deck, it's like, oh, I didn't even know that
42:14
this was, this was in the bad pile. Okay, good to know.
42:18
And, and that's what, where again, I think the metabolic AI is so
42:22
helpful because what I have found it's
42:25
gotten a little bit better, you know, but like I'll have a conversation with somebody
42:29
and then they'll go Google or they'll come into our community and
42:33
they'll hear all the quantum biology nerds talking about something and they'll go Google it
42:36
and they're like, and they'll come back and they'll be like, Google says
42:40
this is not true or this is pseudo science or this is unproven or
42:44
this is fringe science or the, this is all nonsense. And it's,
42:48
you know, to be like, well okay, we've spent the last five
42:52
years waiting through, waiting through all of that
42:56
to just be, send them to a resource that
43:00
they can trust that will just give, bring them straight
43:03
to the point. Right, yeah. So that is one of the
43:07
hopes that we have for metabolic wise is it, is it can play that role
43:11
because I think we all face exactly the same. And this is,
43:15
I would say back to the broader Challenges with AI
43:19
and the large language models that built and developed, which is,
43:22
they are absolutely amazing because they're ultimately trained on the
43:26
world's information and resources. They are largely
43:30
biased by the sheer volume of
43:34
kind of information. Which is why, you know, you go to Google and ask, you
43:37
know, does you know, does LDL cause heart disease, heart
43:41
attacks? And you know, all of these platforms will say yes, it does
43:44
because there's been so much research funded looking
43:48
specifically at, you know, the LDL molecule.
43:51
And, and so that's just where, so there's 95%
43:55
of that which is not true root cause science. It's just
43:59
looking at an isolated part of the system, not looking at the
44:03
system as a whole. But you have, you know, 5% of the research
44:06
which is then looking at the system at whole and you look at LDL and
44:10
cholesterol in context and you realize that actually, you know, it's much
44:14
more of a innocent bystander. And there's other things
44:17
driving heart disease which even I've only learned, you know, over the
44:21
last kind of year or so, you know, the importance of structured water and
44:25
some of these other things. And so these large language models
44:29
just reflect the corpus of knowledge of the world. That
44:33
doesn't necessarily mean that that is the best and most accurate knowledge. And
44:36
sadly, a lot of the science of research that's been done over the last
44:40
30, 40, 50 years hasn't been great because it's
44:43
looked at separating the body into discrete
44:47
organs and tissues and exploring those and you
44:51
know, the various kind of biochemistry in isolation
44:55
rather than ultimately looking at our body as this amazing
44:58
intricate system, system that it is. So if we can,
45:02
so what we've really tried to do is to kind of curate
45:06
the science and evidence that reflects that to hopefully
45:10
then give a, you know, a different, different perspective
45:14
that I think people who have seen the
45:18
transformations that you can have by really focusing on your
45:21
mitochondria metabolic health effectively know and realize that actually
45:25
yeah, this, this, this does work. This is what returns us to
45:30
ready to health and optimal well being.
45:34
Yes, this is a really important
45:37
bridge that. And. You know,
45:41
I think what you've, I think there's, yeah, there's a big
45:44
missing chunk in this bridge out of a purely
45:49
allopathic model of health controlled by the medical industry and
45:53
big pharma and big food. And then because I often have
45:56
talked about it feels like we're live, I live, there's like, I live in a
45:59
different world than a lot of people. Like they live in the, in a world
46:03
where that is. That is the only thing. Yeah.
46:08
And we live over here. Where that is
46:13
one thing. And it's totally incomplete is like incomplete. And
46:16
we live in this whole robust world. But that there are not the bridges.
46:22
Are not there. And so I think what you've done is to construct
46:25
a really integral piece of the bridge. Because once
46:30
you see the robust research and
46:33
evidence for this other model, then you can take a next step. And
46:37
it's like, oh, look at. There's a whole world of doctors and naturopaths and
46:40
practitioners and support people working out of that model
46:44
that I didn't even. People don't even know they exist. Exist.
46:49
They don't even know. It's like my doctor said. I used this,
46:53
this example recently. I heard a young woman talking about. She was given
46:57
a diagnosis, was called like
47:00
premenstrual dysphoria. It's a new diagnosis that is like
47:04
just extreme hormonal imbalance leading to suicidal
47:08
ideation. And. Right. And the doctor was like, yeah, you might need a
47:11
hysterectomy to get over this. And that was it. And that she
47:15
thought that was her options were suffer or get a hysterectomy. Yeah.
47:22
So I totally agree. So I always reflect back
47:25
to just because I love the movies like most people do. The
47:29
Matrix and Right. For me,
47:32
Metabolic Wise and what we've built is designed to be
47:36
the glitches in the Matrix. And I love it. And to
47:39
offer you that red pill to choose to
47:43
go ultimately into a totally different world because the reality
47:47
is, and I was living in this world, I think you probably were
47:51
as well before we managed to see the glitches and find our way
47:54
out is we're living in a big food, big pharma, big tech
47:58
driven world. And it is literally it is, it
48:02
is the Matrix. So hopefully Metabolic Wise
48:05
is, is helps people see the glitches and ultimately
48:09
decide to take that red pill. But as long as people do that,
48:12
for me it's just all about empowering people with knowledge to make conscious decisions.
48:16
So as long as you're making a conscious decision about anything. And there are some
48:20
amazing things about, you know, the medical health
48:23
care system. Not discounting that back to my opening, which
48:27
is great for acute care, not so great for chronic care. Sometimes
48:31
drugs can, you know, be a helpful short term
48:35
bridge to kind of help you gain momentum. But
48:38
ultimately they all come with side effects. None of them
48:42
really treat our biological body. And so the
48:45
more you can empower people with access to knowledge, hopefully,
48:49
you know, the more that they can. Kind of
48:53
at least make a conscious decision about what they do. And if that is decided
48:56
to go back and live in the Matrix, consciously, totally happy with
49:00
that. But I think most people will make the decision to
49:04
live outside of the Matrix because when you know
49:07
somebody who has cured an uncurable disease,
49:11
you see the energy that comes from that, the energy that comes
49:15
from knowing and connecting with yourself and your, you know, biology,
49:19
having brain, heart coherence, all these sorts of things which even
49:23
I'm. I would say at the kind of early stage of my kind
49:26
of, you know, journey of really dialing into that, you
49:30
realize that you can live a much richer real
49:34
life. And naturally, the life that you really were kind
49:37
of living wasn't really. Yeah, it was. It was a
49:41
different life. And it doesn't always lead to, you know,
49:45
I would say, vibrant, healthy, healthy outcomes.
49:50
Yeah, no, not very often. Okay, so
49:54
I want to just talk about the. Metabolic
49:58
wise for one more second and then I'm gonna. We're gonna go back to the
50:02
Matrix and go cosmic. So I just want everyone to understand.
50:05
Okay, so what you do is you go to mellow. Okay. It
50:09
will be launched when I. When this airs. So you go to metabolicwise.com
50:13
and there's a little. There's a little box and it says, ask
50:17
a health question. And you know, I'm. I'm noticing
50:21
in trending questions, the cholesterol one is at the top.
50:25
Is cholesterol good or bad? Right. So, like, great,
50:28
that. Let's just start with that. And
50:33
then it's gonna. It's giving me feedback, it's giving me links to
50:36
podcasts. If I just want to listen to a podcast, it's giving me
50:40
studies if I want something hard to take to my doctor.
50:44
But it's coming. It's skipping over that part that you talk,
50:48
that you just talked about, Neil, where it's like cholesterol, high
50:52
cholesterol, needs statins and will give you a heart attack. Right? Like, we've skipped that
50:56
and we've just gone straight to like. Yeah.
51:00
Looking at the important molecule that does everything
51:04
from build hormones to, you know, 20 of your brain is
51:07
cholesterol. So like, foundationally, it's so important in, in the
51:11
body and so it comes with it for. Yeah. Hopefully from
51:15
a. From a different, A different perspective. And. Yeah, so the first
51:19
link it's giving me is cholesterol myths and truths. A quantum biology
51:22
and biochemical perspective. Beautiful. Okay.
51:27
The truth about cholesterol and quantum biology. That's the next link. And
51:30
then there's you know, it breaks it down into
51:34
brains and nerves, hormone production, light sensing, you know, all
51:38
of, all of. And then there's a list of top references.
51:42
There's a paper, a YouTube, a testimonial, an article and
51:45
a podcast. And you can sort of choose whichever
51:49
works best for you. And
51:52
go from there. Like, hopefully you see that. So
51:56
good, right? Because I'm like talking to my friend
51:59
who's totally healthy on statins because her
52:03
cholesterol was slightly elevated as she's going through menopause and I'm
52:07
like. I could
52:10
just send her this link. Well, yes, well,
52:14
well, very soon you will be able to. So we are, right now
52:18
we're expanding a little bit just into a broader kind of private
52:22
beta access, so sharing it with a slightly
52:26
broader community just to get feedback to make sure that it's
52:29
kind of, it's robust enough. But the feedback so far has been
52:33
overwhelmingly pretty positive. So we'll make sure that we. Yeah,
52:37
Neil, listen, just launch this effort. Okay? It's
52:40
great. I'll take the password off.
52:45
Tomorrow. And so I would say that the
52:49
two of the important, I would say things that are in there. So one, hopefully
52:53
the follow up questions are really interesting and useful as well because quite often
52:57
you do have your own curiosity. Other times those
53:01
follow up questions can help kind of prompt. And the
53:04
second thing is there's obviously there's the share link as well.
53:08
And so your last asked question and answer, if you hit that share link,
53:12
it will just copy a URL you can then put into WhatsApp,
53:16
iMessage or email. And so if you wanted to
53:19
send to your friend, you know, what's the relationship between
53:23
cholesterol and statins? Or if you ask what are the
53:26
downsides of, for example, of using statins, we should give a pretty good kind of
53:30
answer to that. So then you can simply share that with all the links and
53:34
resources and then your friend will get that question and answer
53:37
with kind of that same experience and be able to take that experience and
53:41
go and ask their own questions.
53:45
Beautiful. So good. Yeah. And then of
53:48
course, if you then are like, oh, well, now I want a doctor or a
53:52
health coach or someone who understands me through this lens.
53:56
I have a list of those.
54:00
We. There are many. Right. Like it opens up a whole new world
54:03
where you can then create your health support team.
54:07
Yes. Populated by people who get this and you're not,
54:11
you know, you might, you might have your insurance doctor. Right. Where you'll have
54:15
to navigate through that. But I, what
54:18
I like to say to People is like have at least just one person in
54:21
your life who gets this. Even if it's like
54:25
whether it's a health coach or your optometrist or just
54:29
somebody with, with a background, you
54:32
know, with a practitioner background who can support you through this.
54:36
Yes, absolutely. So, so that, and that's part of some of the next steps
54:40
of what we'll build is how to make it also easier to
54:44
find those like minded people support and services.
54:48
Because having the knowledge is one thing, but you're absolutely right.
54:52
Having the support network of people
54:56
to help you because ultimately we all need help in different ways
54:59
is also a really important part of it as well.
55:03
Yeah, no, I think this is so fun. We're really just on the
55:07
cusp of. I think
55:11
circumventing big tech, which is, I'd love to wrap up
55:16
on that topic. You are very helpful and
55:19
supportive. When we got randomly deleted off YouTube and it
55:23
really did cause me to reflect even more than I
55:27
already had sort of on the role of big tech in our
55:30
lives. In the way that it keeps us,
55:35
it's in some ways programmed to lock us into the
55:38
matrix and in other ways is a portal to find
55:42
all of the, to find like minded souls. So
55:45
someone who was like deep on the inside and is now way on the outside,
55:49
what are your thoughts? I would say it's similar to almost,
55:53
almost everything in, in life and in our bodies which is
55:57
everything can be a double edged sword and the things that cure you can harm
56:01
you. It depends upon, you know, the kind of different levels and states.
56:04
And so I think just understanding that is
56:08
important. Yes, tech and the big tech companies are a great tool and
56:12
resource. But also I think like you have learned through
56:16
this process, you also can't rely on that. You need to have a plan
56:19
B, you know, a plan C and almost have this, build this kind of layer
56:23
of independence around it. So I think
56:26
that's, that's really important because you know, and it's
56:30
the part partly the nature of the capitalist kind of
56:33
world and system which is they are now kind of, you know, driven by
56:37
profits, by shareholders. And I, at my time in, you know, in
56:40
Google just you did see a culture shift, I would
56:44
say, you know, more towards that. Back in the early days
56:48
it was, you know, and still Larry and Sergey's the kind of the founders
56:52
letter that they wrote that you know, we're going to be an unconventional company. They
56:56
did stick to that for, you know, for a number of years. But Google then
56:59
ultimately lost that and it did, it did Just become a
57:03
corporate company like any of the other kind of big companies.
57:07
But I also think. And hopefully we're, you know,
57:11
we're evidence of this is Metabolic Wise, which is
57:15
it allows, you know, the advances in AI and technology are
57:19
really allowing, you know, individual and small
57:22
organizations to build really powerful kind of
57:26
independent tools that do what Metabolic Wise does.
57:30
Or, you know, there's tons of other companies out there doing kind of pretty amazing
57:33
things. And so I think you just need to understand, you know, the double
57:37
edge kind of nature of that and.
57:42
Then make sure you've got some alternative, you know,
57:45
strategies. Should your YouTube channel be, you know,
57:48
accidentally deleted and still, I guess we'll never know exactly,
57:52
just, you know, just what happened there. But yeah, I think
57:56
it's just, it's important and the more we can
57:59
decentralize and kind of maintain a bit more independence, you
58:03
know, around things, you know, you know, the better. And so I think a large
58:07
part of what's really exciting about the future of technology,
58:10
if you look at, you know, blockchain and
58:14
a lot of the things that are supporting much more of a decentralized system,
58:18
I sincerely hope that, well, that is going to hopefully power
58:22
a lot of the future of the next 20, 30, 40, 50 years to have
58:26
much more decentralized systems rather than centralized systems.
58:30
So. But obviously there's a big battle
58:34
there. Back to the matrix.
58:38
Yes, no, there is. And I think
58:42
we are living through the unfolding of a new
58:46
paradigm. It's not coming, it's here. We're in it
58:50
and. We'Re all
58:54
sort of making our contributions as best we can
58:58
for decentralized truth seeking
59:02
and truth telling to at least be an option
59:05
if not the dominant force.
59:09
Yes, amen to that. Yeah. And
59:13
then just on, you know, looking at
59:16
AI from a broader perspective,
59:20
I've had several people, you know, reach out to me looking
59:23
to be on the podcast with AI based health companies and they're using
59:27
AI for diagnostics and they've. And different things
59:31
like that. And I just haven't quite like
59:34
thought it through enough to follow up in one way or the other. And I
59:38
don't have a super strong opinion, but I'm just wondering what
59:43
your thoughts are on, on the role so
59:46
of AI in from a
59:50
diagnostic clinical perspective?
59:53
Yeah, good question. So, so that's where I think it can be
59:57
incredibly powerful. And this is back to
1:00:01
just the principle. The earliest stage you can spot that
1:00:05
things are going wrong to then course correct the better.
1:00:09
So I do think some of these kind of AI diagnostic
1:00:13
tools if they are trained in the right
1:00:16
way to spot the right thing, can be super
1:00:20
powerful. But the combination of that is when you
1:00:23
understand there's a problem, then what's the solution that's recommended.
1:00:28
And that's where again, you know, it's amazing. We
1:00:32
can detect cancer much earlier than previously stated. But then the
1:00:36
standard of care is okay, well still
1:00:38
chemotherapy, still radiation, still do some
1:00:42
immunotherapy. You know, there's, there's very
1:00:46
few places that are looking at natural metabolic therapies that could,
1:00:50
you know, treat that much more effectively, much less toxically,
1:00:54
much using your own body as, you know, to
1:00:57
heal itself. And so I think there's immense
1:01:02
possibilities within that. But so much of it depends upon
1:01:06
then what that information is going to be used for
1:01:11
really dictates how good an event outcome it will be.
1:01:15
Right? Yeah, that, that makes total sense. So
1:01:19
it could be helpful in seeing where you
1:01:22
are earlier and keeping track of things more easily. But again,
1:01:27
yeah, choice of what you then do with that information is
1:01:31
so the key thing. It really is. But I
1:01:34
also, but it's not to get yet testing and biomarkers. I've
1:01:38
got my own kind of specific perspective on this because you know, I think
1:01:42
the world's gone a little bit too crazy around, you know, the,
1:01:47
all of these different testing companies now, 150 like 200, 250
1:01:51
biomarkers. And and for me all those biomarkers are
1:01:54
just leaves on a tree. And ultimately if you tend
1:01:58
to the soil and the roots of the tree,
1:02:03
those leaves will be the shape, the color, the size
1:02:07
that they're supposed to be. And that's going to be different for every single human
1:02:10
being in the world because we're all different, we're all individual. And there are
1:02:14
some simple basic tests I think you can do to understand
1:02:18
the soil and the roots that I would say
1:02:21
negate a lot of this kind of advanced testing and so forth. And
1:02:25
so I also think, you know, there's hopefully
1:02:29
some more interesting simplification that comes out of
1:02:33
this. Instead of chasing optimization of 150 or 200
1:02:36
different biomarkers which will self optimize.
1:02:40
If you have your, you know, your metabolic
1:02:44
terrain and your autonomic nervous
1:02:47
system, if you have them functioning and working together, then
1:02:52
your, the leaves on your tree will be the shape and color and size that
1:02:55
they're supposed to be. Yeah, that makes,
1:02:59
that makes perfect sense. And we,
1:03:02
I do, you know, I. There are people
1:03:06
where the quest for health sort of takes over their life and then
1:03:10
people where the Quest for health is in. In service of living a full
1:03:13
life. So getting going psycho
1:03:17
on these biomarker spreadsheets. Yeah, it's totally. I am
1:03:21
useless at tracking. Like, every time I've worked with someone who's like, can you track
1:03:24
this or that? Or I'm like, I ate breakfast. I don't
1:03:28
know, what do you want? So. So I'm not good at
1:03:32
that. Well, this is where it's back to everyone's different. Some
1:03:36
people love the accountability of tracking it, and I would say so. And so
1:03:39
for me, it was actually a really important part of my journey at
1:03:43
the start to help keep me accountable. But I
1:03:47
think what I've learned about all these tracking tools is
1:03:51
if you're not naturally in tune with your body, which I wasn't back
1:03:55
then because I was just abusing my body from, you
1:03:58
know, from pretty much every single angle. And when you do that, you are. I
1:04:02
would say a lot of it is personal context. But, you know, I couldn't read
1:04:06
my body's signals. So tracking and understanding
1:04:09
things and seeing kind of, you know, getting feedback from
1:04:13
wearables and stuff really helped me tune into my body.
1:04:17
But then I also found then once I'd done that, I could put
1:04:21
those tracking devices away. And then I was much more in tune with my body.
1:04:24
And so for me, all of the tracking devices are just tools to
1:04:28
help people connect with themselves more. Some people need them, some
1:04:32
people, you know, don't. But over time, hopefully you can
1:04:36
intuitively get to know your body and therefore rely on
1:04:39
them less. But sometimes it's still useful to kind
1:04:43
of, you know, keep track based on, you know, what's. What's going on
1:04:47
in your life. Yeah, I agree.
1:04:51
And, you know, I think, like, whatever a person needs to get to the next
1:04:54
step and seeing that data is super
1:04:58
helpful. And I did wear an aura ring for, I don't know, like, six
1:05:02
or eight months or something. And I learned some really interesting things
1:05:05
about that I was not paying attention to. I was expecting it
1:05:09
to. I didn't want to wear it because I'm like, it's going to tell me
1:05:12
to exercise more. And I know. Like, I know. Okay. And I
1:05:15
started wearing it and it would give me these little messages, and it was the
1:05:19
opposite. Was like, yeah, you haven't had any restorative time
1:05:22
today. You might want to take care of that or you're going to be. You're
1:05:26
not going to have enough energy tomorrow. And I was like, oh,
1:05:30
thanks, aura. And I actually hadn't, you know,
1:05:34
and I Was you know, again working with someone who was supporting me who
1:05:38
know was like, yes, you need to, you need to like
1:05:42
fully rest and like. So unloading the dishwasher doesn't count?
1:05:45
No. Sit down,
1:05:49
sit down and be still. Oh, okay. Right.
1:05:53
So yes, we all, we're always on a learning journey.
1:05:57
So, so yeah, that's, that's, that's a great, it's
1:06:01
a great insight and so but sometimes it will tell you the things that you
1:06:04
know that you don't want to admit to yourself. But that's also back
1:06:08
to making conscious decisions which is, but
1:06:12
yeah, so the technology, it's like, like so many things, it's a double edged
1:06:15
sword. So I think yeah, at least try it and use it and
1:06:19
kind of learn something from it. But hopefully then as you've done, once you learn
1:06:23
those things, then put it down for a while, get in tune with your body
1:06:26
and just kind of dip back in as and when you. As and when you
1:06:29
need. Yes.
1:06:33
Beautiful. And would be so will be so fun
1:06:37
when more and more people understand this and
1:06:40
can connect to the information behind it. So Neil, I want
1:06:44
to thank you again for taking the risk
1:06:48
and heeding the call to build out this tool. It's going to be so
1:06:51
exciting. Let us know how,
1:06:55
when people can access it if they want to be one of
1:06:58
the testers, can they do that? What are the plans
1:07:03
for Metabolic Wise? Yeah, so hopefully when we release it,
1:07:06
we'll probably time releasing this podcast with it openly available.
1:07:11
Right. Which should be in the next, in the next couple of weeks. We
1:07:14
are kind of that close and I would say look between now and then. Yeah,
1:07:18
I'm happy to, to share with, you know, with a few others if there's people
1:07:22
that are interested to test. But yeah, by the time this goes out it will
1:07:26
be available. So people just need to go to metabolicwise.com and
1:07:29
then ask your questions or there's some. Yeah, there's some trending and pre
1:07:33
planned questions that people can kind of get started. Yeah and
1:07:37
right now there's not. There's no login, there's no paywall. It's just
1:07:41
for just there to be used. Is that what
1:07:44
it's going to be like? So that, so that is the plan.
1:07:48
No login, no paywall. At the same time we probably will
1:07:52
introduce a login but that's purely just to know
1:07:55
humans are there. A lot of people do want more of a personalized experience.
1:07:59
They want to store chat histories like you can in most of the other kind
1:08:03
of major AI platforms. So we are going to build that in, but initially
1:08:07
we just wanted as minimal barriers as possible
1:08:11
because the mission of the company is to empower and educate
1:08:14
people. So I say, yeah, so the plan is for it to be kind of
1:08:18
openly and freely available to people to use and share and
1:08:22
hopefully, you know, educate themselves
1:08:25
to make. Yeah. Make their
1:08:29
lives better and live in better, more
1:08:33
optimal health.
1:08:36
Onward. Hurrah to that. And for
1:08:39
everyone listening, if you ever wish, like, you had a really simple way to,
1:08:44
you know, just get a very specific
1:08:48
reference or something to somebody who needs it, this is
1:08:52
going to be really helpful to you. So,
1:08:56
Neil, thank you. And we should chat again. I'd love to
1:08:59
check in, you know, down the road and see how things are going and what
1:09:03
you've been learning from people's searches. I think it'd be really fun. Yeah, no,
1:09:07
we'd love to come back on. Yeah. Once we've. Once we've launched and we've got
1:09:10
hopefully a nice. A nice healthy user base of people using
1:09:14
it. So, yeah, I would love that. Thanks, Mary, if it's been. And I would
1:09:17
just say thank you again, because if you hadn't taken your leap of faith,
1:09:21
I have learned a huge amount through your podcast
1:09:25
and through, you know, others in this space. So Sarah Pugh, she sits on
1:09:29
the science advisory board of Metabolic Wise. So we've got
1:09:33
Sarah Pugh, Ben Bickman, kind of
1:09:37
quite a few different, diverse, kind of big names in the metabolic health
1:09:41
space. And I've learned so much through your podcast and through
1:09:45
their work because I'm still on my educational journey, I think, as are
1:09:49
you, as. As are everyone. So I really appreciate the work
1:09:52
that you and the team do at qbc and we'll definitely partner
1:09:56
more moving forward because people need more great
1:10:00
content, resources, testimonials and stories. And so
1:10:04
the more we can make that happen and make that simple and easy for everyone,
1:10:07
hopefully the better. Great. Yeah, maybe we
1:10:11
can. We can collaborate on getting more testimonials
1:10:15
from our. From the audience here. Anyway, if you want
1:10:19
to do a testimonial for Metabolic Wise, let me know. Yeah,
1:10:23
reach out. We would absolutely love to do that. So.
1:10:27
Yeah, because that's probably the. Yeah, there's just.
1:10:31
There's tons of podcasts and articles and YouTube videos,
1:10:34
but I would say really robust testimonials out there. There's. There's
1:10:38
just a lot less. So. So, yeah, so you're looking for like a video.
1:10:44
Video testimonials generally direct directly from people
1:10:48
who have recovered their health. Yes. So directly for people.
1:10:52
So right now, you know, effectively anything, you know, if there were great
1:10:55
testimonials on YouTube, then we bring them in, but we. We look at them,
1:10:59
obviously they need to have kind of a bit more evidence
1:11:03
around, you know, what the person was suffering with, you know, what they
1:11:06
ultimately did to help reverse that. If they've got any supporting
1:11:10
your kind of data behind that, to make it a little bit more of a
1:11:13
robust. Very similar to, you know, to. I would say, to publishing a case
1:11:17
study. So if people have those, then please
1:11:20
send them through. If not, one of the next plans is to set up just
1:11:24
a simple platform that people can ultimately kind of, you know, record and create these
1:11:27
testimonials. So, yeah, we'd love to collaborate. Yeah. Now, I'm thinking while we're
1:11:31
doing if, when we're doing the case study workshop, we could add in
1:11:34
testimonial. You know, here's how to write it up as a case study, and here's
1:11:38
how to record it as a testimonial. Yeah. And we can provide the
1:11:42
tools to do that as well. So. All right,
1:11:45
now we're sharing our business meeting with the audience. I'm sure they're
1:11:49
enjoying it. Okay. If anyone else has ideas, let us know. Right.
1:11:53
We're building. That's the quantum universe. We can do what we want and build what
1:11:56
we want. And we are. Exactly.
1:11:59
Exactly. Thanks, Neil. Thanks,
1:12:03
Meredith.