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GUILTY: "MOTHER-IN--LAW-FROM-HELL" SOBS FOR MURDER HIT PLOT ON LAW PROF SON-IN-LAW · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace and this is the Friday Night special
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: And tonight the so.
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  Speaker 2: Called killer mother in law suspect guilty and a murder
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  Speaker 2: case for the state alleges she masterminded an execution.
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  Speaker 1: A paid hit on her own son in law. The
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  Speaker 1: law professor.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, a so called killer mother in law. But
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  Speaker 2: for real, I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. So
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  Speaker 2: consumed with rage, with anger over her daughter's divorce and
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  Speaker 2: subsequently not having visitation with her grandchildren, that she commits murder.
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  Speaker 2: She murders her own son in law over visitation. It's
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  Speaker 2: really hard to imagine that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so.
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  Speaker 2: Often when we hear about a violent crime, many people
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  Speaker 2: will make excuses. Oh, they were under stress, they grew
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  Speaker 2: up in a bad family, they're uneducated, they're this, They're that,
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  Speaker 2: they were using drugs, they were using alcohol, a million excuses.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you about this mother in law.
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  Speaker 2: Her family, highly educated, called a five star family by politicians, lawmakers, rabbis,
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  Speaker 2: friends of the family's neighbors. No one within their circle
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  Speaker 2: can accept this woman, the matriarch of a very wealthy,
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  Speaker 2: very educated family, whatever do such a thing.
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  Speaker 1: But guess what, I agree with police?
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  Speaker 3: She did it.
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  Speaker 1: She had her own son in law murdered.
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  Speaker 2: Because he refused to give up his children. What do
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  Speaker 2: we know about the case? Let me just start with
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  Speaker 2: our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,
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  Speaker 4: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving
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  Speaker 4: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey is with
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  Speaker 4: her as police take her into custody, the latest person
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  Speaker 4: to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing
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  Speaker 4: of Nan Markel. In charging documents and a warrant request,
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  Speaker 4: prosecutors noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed
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  Speaker 4: killing herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction,
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  Speaker 4: he is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people
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  Speaker 4: have also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey
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  Speaker 4: Adelson had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has
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  Speaker 4: no extradition agreement with the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this with me an all star
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  Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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  Speaker 2: But first two Joel Waldman joining us out of this
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  Speaker 2: jurisdiction in Florida, host off surviving the survivor Joel the
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  Speaker 2: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Adelson is the brother in law, and he's not just.
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  Speaker 1: The brother in law.
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  Speaker 2: He's apparently a very well respected periodontist.
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  Speaker 1: This is the brother in.
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  Speaker 2: Law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markel, the
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  Speaker 2: law professor. I want to first start with the mother
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  Speaker 2: in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam. But
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  Speaker 2: this is just after her son is convicted in the murder.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start. Why is the mother in law at
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  Speaker 2: the airport with her husband, Harvey, with a one way
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  Speaker 2: ticket to Vietnam. Tell me how that whole thing went down.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,
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  Speaker 5: and she knew that it was coming. What a lot
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  Speaker 5: of people don't know is that this happened over nine
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  Speaker 5: years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all these years.
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  Speaker 5: The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as it is
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  Speaker 5: the middle woman.
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  Speaker 6: But just to get back to your original question about.
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  Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Adelson,
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  Speaker 5: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly
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  Speaker 5: a week to the day, Donna Adelson is arrested at
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  Speaker 5: Miami International Airport. And what we found out since then
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  Speaker 5: and is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her
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  Speaker 5: son Charlie were on the phone for thirty five hours
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  Speaker 5: that week.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven. Thirty five hours in one week. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an
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  Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor. Joel, don't lose any of
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  Speaker 2: those thoughts. Dave Ehrenberg is joining us.
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  Speaker 1: PAULM.
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  Speaker 2: Beach County state attorney and friend of Dan Markel, also
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  Speaker 2: with me Tamara Demco, I've got this. She is a
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  Speaker 2: doctor at a JD. An RN. She went to Harvard
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  Speaker 2: Law School. But aside from all of her education in
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  Speaker 2: her achievements, she's a close friend of the murder victim,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Markel. And again this case is like my head
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  Speaker 2: is spinning around with all the ins and outs of
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  Speaker 2: this case. But to break it down, this law professor
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  Speaker 2: Dan Markel, young, attractive, devoted father. He goes out of town,
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  Speaker 2: he comes back, half the furniture is gone and the
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  Speaker 2: children are gone, and he can't find the children. That
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  Speaker 2: starts a very acrimonious divorce with Wendy Adel's son Okay
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  Speaker 2: as her mother that just got nabbed on a one
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  Speaker 2: way taken to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 1: Dragging along the father.
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  Speaker 2: What did he know, Harvey?
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  Speaker 1: Is he just along for the writer? Does he know anything?
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  Speaker 1: Long story short?
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  Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave, I heard
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  Speaker 2: you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing
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  Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted of murder,
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  Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro, and you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned he drives around town in his ferrari and his
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  Speaker 2: name tag license Flight actually says the Maestro.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he is someone who's very self assured.
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  Speaker 1: That's one way to put it right.
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  Speaker 7: It was a book by Bob Woodrod years ago about
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  Speaker 7: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how
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  Speaker 7: he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees
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  Speaker 7: himself in that same vein that he controls things. So,
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  Speaker 7: you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to
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  Speaker 7: show that this guy self assured. To use the euphemism
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  Speaker 7: is the kind of guy who would help plan a
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  Speaker 7: murder and think he could get away with it.
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  Speaker 2: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.
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  Speaker 2: What they can't read? That sign at the jail says
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  Speaker 2: this is being recorded.
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  Speaker 6: Hello, exactly.
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  Speaker 7: You know, he was so cock sure of himself throughout
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  Speaker 7: the trial, the fact that he took the stand and
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  Speaker 7: spun this preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion,
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  Speaker 7: which made no sense, and he believed he had won
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  Speaker 7: over at least one member of the jury, and so
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  Speaker 7: he was shocked. You should see the face when he
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  Speaker 7: walked in after a short deliberation, because he knew his
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  Speaker 7: goose was cooked, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Just put his head down, like, I can't believe somebody
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  Speaker 2: has finally called me on my shiit. He finally finally
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  Speaker 2: had to answer up that he arranged the hit.
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  Speaker 3: No one want to see address of your emergency. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: tell exactly what happened.
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  Speaker 8: We heard looked in the garage, goal was up, and
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  Speaker 8: I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I went
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  Speaker 8: back to my house, but he never backed out, and
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  Speaker 8: I came back over and his wind his driver's side
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  Speaker 8: window is shattered, and he's moving his head around, but
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  Speaker 8: he's not responding. I've called his name, asked what's going on?
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  Speaker 8: And I call his name, asking what's happening. He's not
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  Speaker 8: responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is he conscious?
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  Speaker 8: Well, I can't tell.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, is he breathing?
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  Speaker 8: I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's
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  Speaker 8: moving his head around.
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever hear him talk or anything? No, okay,
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  Speaker 3: he said. He's sitting in the car right correct, the
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  Speaker 3: driver's seat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars.
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  Speaker 2: When I hear about the execution style hit on a
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  Speaker 2: loving dad of two little boys, a loving dad devoted.
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  Speaker 1: To his children. When I hear that, it just pounds
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  Speaker 1: it in. He was alive.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was
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  Speaker 2: still trying to speak, He was still moving his head around.
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  Speaker 2: Professor Dan Markel, I had heard of him as being
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  Speaker 2: a renowned law professor, just crackling with legal intelligence, totally
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  Speaker 2: devoted to his family.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing that NI one one call.
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  Speaker 2: And realizing that he's moving his head around trying to
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  Speaker 2: speak to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself.
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  Speaker 2: Did the victim die immediately? Did they know what was
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  Speaker 2: happening to them? What were their last moments on earth?
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  Speaker 2: Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see
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  Speaker 2: them again? Am I going to live or die? Let's
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  Speaker 2: listen to more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna hear it just like the jury.
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  Speaker 3: So they're saying his head is bloody.
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  Speaker 8: Now, yes, I'm bloody. I mean it's the window shattered.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I
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  Speaker 8: don't know what the situation is.
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  Speaker 3: It's the driver's side window, correct, that's correct.
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  Speaker 8: He's still moving around, So who's alive?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Looks like I should have an ulcer coming up
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  Speaker 3: the roadway. Okay, well, we need the mt. The officer's
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  Speaker 3: going to be there first. They're not going to come
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  Speaker 3: until we figure out what's going on. But they're on
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  Speaker 3: the way as well. Okay, we'd better be if this
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  Speaker 3: guy's got a shot.
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  Speaker 2: The state alleges she asked her mind and a paid
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  Speaker 2: hit on her.
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  Speaker 1: Own son in law.
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  Speaker 2: Howe in the hay did a mild mannered law professor
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  Speaker 2: end up dead execution style.
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  Speaker 1: And his own garage in his own car?
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's pulling in home to see his children
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  Speaker 2: and his wife and bam, he shot dead.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 9: Dan Markell comes home to find the house empty, his
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  Speaker 9: wife and two boys gone, and divorce paper is left
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  Speaker 9: on a bed. Dan Markel describes the day as his
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  Speaker 9: pearl harbor without warning, life as he knew it was
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  Speaker 9: gone for six weeks. Dan Markel says he doesn't know
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  Speaker 9: where his children are, much less as soon to be
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  Speaker 9: ex wife. Markel claims Aidolson is getting held from mother
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  Speaker 9: Donna Adelson and brother Charles Adelson, keeping her location secret.
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  Speaker 9: Their divorce order is for them to share joint custody
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  Speaker 9: of the children.
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  Speaker 2: My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children,
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  Speaker 2: the two little boys away from daddy.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mack joining me along with Gigi McKelvey. First of you,
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  Speaker 2: Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. There was
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  Speaker 2: never an allegation that Professor Martl beat the children, abuse
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  Speaker 2: the children, starve the children. In fact, if anything, he
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  Speaker 2: injulged them. He petted them too much. They were his
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  Speaker 2: mini means. He adored them. So the whole family gets
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  Speaker 2: in league with the wife Wendy Adelson to hide the
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  Speaker 2: children from the dad.
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  Speaker 9: What it's so shocking Nancy that, Okay, the marriage is
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  Speaker 9: at that point where Wendy wants out. Now you've got
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  Speaker 9: to remember that Wendy Adelson's family is all in South Florida,
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  Speaker 9: and that's where she wants to go with her children.
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  Speaker 9: We're talking to it eight hour difference between where the
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  Speaker 9: where the Markel's lived in the northern part of Florida
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  Speaker 9: and where the Adelson family lives in southern Florida rather,
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  Speaker 9: and when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with
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  Speaker 9: that's it. That's where everything begins, Nancy. They actually, I
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  Speaker 9: say they the Adlson family. You mentioned Dan Markel comes
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  Speaker 9: home to an empty house, right, Well, he had gone
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  Speaker 9: to a convention and he was like the keynote speaker
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  Speaker 9: at this big event. They made sure that he got
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  Speaker 9: the message that Wendy wanted a divorce right before.
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  Speaker 6: He went on stage.
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  Speaker 9: They played it out perfectly, and there was some crowd
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  Speaker 9: of damaging him like that. It was amazing what they
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  Speaker 9: did to this man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, you know, hold on gg when I
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  Speaker 2: got Eric Fatus really quickly, guys, Eric Fattus thatt on
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  Speaker 2: Trial Lawyer or TV legal analyst, founding partner Varner Fattus
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  Speaker 2: elite legal, former famony prosecutor. That's important now, Defense attorney Eric,
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  Speaker 2: when you are about to go to trial, strike a jury,
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  Speaker 2: give a legal presentation in front of hundreds of lawyers
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  Speaker 2: who are going to be as firing legal questions at you,
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  Speaker 2: you got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match.
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  Speaker 2: You can't miss a thing. I remember thinking in court,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury. Watch
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  Speaker 2: the witness, watch the jury as questioning. We take place
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  Speaker 2: like a tennis match, because if you miss one word,
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  Speaker 2: one sentence, legal term, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 1: Anything could go wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And so right before he takes the stage in front
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  Speaker 2: of hundreds of lawyers, that's when he gets hit with
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  Speaker 2: the knees. Your wife wants a divorce and he comes home.
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  Speaker 2: The house is picked clean and screw the furniture. The
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  Speaker 2: children are gone. Oh I can't even imagine that fatness.
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  Speaker 2: You come home, You're children are gone. That is what
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  Speaker 2: happened to him.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, I mean that is going to shake anybody have,
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  Speaker 10: let alone someone who is preparing for a big professional presentation.
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  Speaker 1: You got to be on.
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  Speaker 11: Your game, you've got to be listening. There are details
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  Speaker 11: you've got to take in. You got to make sure
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  Speaker 11: you don't miss anything. This is a high stakes presentation
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  Speaker 11: for him, and they did this in a calculated fashion,
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  Speaker 11: intentionally to shake.
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  Speaker 10: Him up as much as they could. And really, you know,
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  Speaker 10: his life is crashing in upon him immediately before he's
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  Speaker 10: about to give this kind of speech.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, clearly problematic.
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  Speaker 10: And show some malice on their part.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you something, Fattest.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but when I would go
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  Speaker 2: into try case, I would wait until everyone was ready,
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  Speaker 2: and I had a reason for this, the jury. I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't come in after the jury, that's rude, but I
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  Speaker 2: would wait till the defense was in place, the defendant
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  Speaker 2: made it from jail around, bond was in place, everybody
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  Speaker 2: was stated, why then I'd go in because I did
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  Speaker 2: not want them speaking to me and throwing off my concentration.
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  Speaker 2: Before I went and waited for the jury coming, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to think about anything at all other than what.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to do.
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  Speaker 2: Tunnel vision has to be that way, and I can
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  Speaker 2: just imagine him going to take the podium and going, hey,
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  Speaker 2: here's the divorce papers.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, back to what happened to Gigi.
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  Speaker 2: McKelvey, investigative journalists, host of podcast a hit podcast, Pretty
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  Speaker 2: Lies and Alibis. Gigi, I want to get back, not
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  Speaker 2: from the speech that got totally ambushed.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get to the day he was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: So he's coming home and what he drives in does
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  Speaker 2: the garage, and the garage goes up and he goes
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  Speaker 2: into the garage.
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  Speaker 1: What happened then, Gigi, Well.
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  Speaker 12: We know that Dan was on the phone with a
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  Speaker 12: special school that Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son,
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  Speaker 12: and so he was actively talking to somebody as this happened.
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  Speaker 12: He told the person on the phone, there's someone unfamiliar
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  Speaker 12: to me in my driveway and he needed to see
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  Speaker 12: who that was. The person on the other end heard
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  Speaker 12: maybe a struggle, heard some loud noises and was asking
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  Speaker 12: you okay, and he could hear groans and so he
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  Speaker 12: tried to call in text and no response obviously, So.
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  Speaker 2: Gig McKelvey, isn't it true that the killer apparently followed
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  Speaker 2: markel into or right behind him, basically trapping him in
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  Speaker 2: the garage.
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  Speaker 12: That's correct, pulled up to where he would not have
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  Speaker 12: been able to back out or move in any way
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  Speaker 12: or get out of his car without being face to
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  Speaker 12: face with somebody who was going to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Ron Bitman joining me, former sheriff and Arundel County, Maryland,
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  Speaker 2: former homicide undercover, a narcotics detective, and author of a
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  Speaker 2: crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears. Ron, this is a hit.
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  Speaker 2: There's no two ways about it. There's no sex attack,
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  Speaker 2: nothing is stolen, there's not a carjack nothing. They come up,
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  Speaker 2: bam right in the head and leave.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hit.
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  Speaker 13: That's an execution, premature, with a malice, the forethought, and
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  Speaker 13: absolutely first degree murder one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: Now another thing, Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that.
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  Speaker 2: Just before he was murdered, Professor Markel was on the
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  Speaker 2: phone with the wife again basically the only person left
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  Speaker 2: standing that hasn't been formally.
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  Speaker 1: Accused of murder.
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  Speaker 2: They have been talking that whole morning, and Markel had
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  Speaker 2: left her a voicemail about wanting to talk about the boys,
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  Speaker 2: and she texted him his plans won't work. Then they
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  Speaker 2: argued about when Wendy could get the children.
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  Speaker 1: She was saying he.
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  Speaker 2: Could keep them a little bit longer and then he's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that the scenario they're arguing about the children that morning?
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  Speaker 9: It was a constant discussion between Dan Markel and Wendy
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  Speaker 9: about the children and about when Dan would have time
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  Speaker 9: with them, when he would see them, where he would
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  Speaker 9: see them was a big part of this.
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  Speaker 1: Geography really plays.
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  Speaker 9: Into this entire case. But yes, Nancy, she kept him
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  Speaker 9: on the phone and distracted all morning.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, guys again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and
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  Speaker 2: has not been named as a person of interest in
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  Speaker 2: her ex husband's murder.
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  Speaker 1: She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: She has not been named a.
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  Speaker 1: POI or suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what more do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Listen?
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  Speaker 9: After the court prevents it's Wendy Aedelson from moving to
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  Speaker 9: South Florida with the children, Adelson's mother, Donna, suggests the
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  Speaker 9: family offer Markel one million dollars to allow the children
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  Speaker 9: to relocate to South Florida. Donna and husband Harvey will
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  Speaker 9: contribute a third. Charlie Aedelson, Wendy's brother, will contribute a third.
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson also suggests telling
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: Markell that Wendy Aedelson is going to have the boys
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: converted to Catholicism, knowing Markell and his family are strict
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: to Jewish faith. Donna Adelson believes the mere thought of
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: his children being raised Catholic would convince him to let
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: the boys move to Miami.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Man talk about down and dirty to doctor Sherry Schwartz,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: joining us out of this jurisdiction, I might add forensic
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: psychologists specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. She has
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: written multiple books, the one Unlike the Best Criminal Behavior
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and the other one where law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Doctor Sherry number one.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Try to bribe Markel the mother he's on trial right
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: now for having her son executed. The mother in law
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: literally from the gates of Hell, of course. Oh yeah,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: don't be fooled by that right there. We'll just wait
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: till you hear what we found on those wiretaps. She's
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: presumed innocent until proven guilty. Doctor Sherry number one trying
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to bribe Markel, offering him a million dollars a cool
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: meal if he would let the boys relocate from Tallahassee
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: hours away to Miami, He's like, hell, no, I want
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: to be with my children.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even want this divorce.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: torture him by telling him he is a devout and
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: strict Jew. They're going to tell him that they are
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: having the boys baptized and converted to Catholicism.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Don't you know? He did a backflip.
• 22:09
  Speaker 14: Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty
• 22:13
  Speaker 14: where it's very similar to characteristics that we see in
• 22:17
  Speaker 14: narcissistic parents. It's all about power, manipulation and control, and
• 22:22
  Speaker 14: when the person, the target in this case, mister Marcall,
• 22:26
  Speaker 14: doesn't go along with what the narcissist wants, there's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 14: state of narcissistic rage where they will engage in acts
• 22:33
  Speaker 14: of extreme cruelty, such as not just bribery, but threatening
• 22:37
  Speaker 14: that they're going to convert the children to a different religion.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me. Chief Medical Examiner Terran County,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that's fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine that is at TCU, and he's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a star of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the Morgue. Doctor Kendall crowns, I want you to hear
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the trajectory path of the bullet.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: That tore through Dan Markel's face.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: Listen, the Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: driveway and on his cell phone when he was fatally shot.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: The killer was waiting for Markel outside his home in
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: Tallahassee's been Hills Section, then followed Markel into the garage.
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: When he opened it, Markell was shot in the side
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: of the head through the window of his car. The
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: bullet entered just beneath Markell's jawline.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kenvill crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: think I need something a little stronger than that. Did
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you hear what was just said that the bullet entered
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: just beneath.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Markel's jaw line. Now, let's think this through.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So he's driving on the left side of his vehicle,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: so it would have been the left jawline just below
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: it and rips through his face and neck and he lived.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: He lived.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: He was trying to talk say something to the neighbor,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and his head was moving around.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And how long could he have endured that before he died.
• 24:12
  Speaker 15: So the gunshow wound of entrance going under his left
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: jawline would be you'd have in this area of your
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: neck the crowded artery, the jugular vein, but if it's
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: a little anterior it may miss those, then continue through
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: into the mid section of his neck, which would hit
• 24:28
  Speaker 15: his trachea, his thyroid, and then continue out the right
• 24:32
  Speaker 15: side of his neck again possibly hitting the jugular and crowded.
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: If those two vessels are hit, he's going to survive
• 24:39
  Speaker 15: for minutes. If those two vessels are not hit, he's
• 24:42
  Speaker 15: going to sit there inhaling blood through his damaged trachea,
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: unable to speak because the area could involve his vocal cords,
• 24:51
  Speaker 15: and then sucking in blood and he could survive for
• 24:54
  Speaker 15: quite a while with that injury. But if it hits
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: the made your vessels, he's going to go Wait a.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Minute, what did you say about sucking in blood?
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: So if he had, if it hits the trichia area,
• 25:07
  Speaker 15: it'll it'll cause blood to go into the airway or
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: mainstem broncos and you'll be sucking in that blood, kind
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: of gasping in the blood. Not able to talk, but
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: just making a noise because your vocal cords are damage,
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: but you're sucking in the blood.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, Do you know what you're saying? Do
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you ever think about it? I mean, when I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: about Markel, I immediately think about as two boys, because
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: one day, whenever they can mentally and emotionally take it,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: they're going to find out the details about how their
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: dad died, and they're going to have to find out
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that their dad was sitting in his car, had been
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: arguing about how much he wanted to see them and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: be in their lives and be the primary caregiver, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: then he ends up with this horrendous injury, pain beyond
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: excruciating to the neck and face, the head, and he's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: sucking in his own blood. I mean, do you ever
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: think about what you're saying or is this like just
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: a clinical analysis for you?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Well, of course I.
• 26:21
  Speaker 15: Think about what I'm saying, But the emotionality of thinking
• 26:26
  Speaker 15: about the individual's life outside of him, of the injuries
• 26:30
  Speaker 15: that I see at autopsy, I try not to think
• 26:33
  Speaker 15: about because if I get wrapped up in the emotion
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: of all of it, I wouldn't be able to do
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: my job. So in a way, yes, it's very clinical
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: to me. You ask me a question, I will give
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: you a clinical answer, describing what's injured, not thinking about him,
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: his family, the pain and suffering, etc.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: After eight days of testimony, the twelve member jury deliberated
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: for approximately three hours before returning a guilty verdict against
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson. She was found guilty of first degree murder, conspiracy,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: and solicitation in Dan Markel's death. Adelson is the second
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: member of her family to be found guilty in this case.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Son Charlie was convicted first to hired killers and to
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: go between also sentenced. Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: judge read the verdict. Judge Stephen Everett told Adelson to
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: control herself as she started to cry, instructing her to
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: not have any more outburst in front of the jury.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Ruth Markel, Dan's mother, said in her impact statement that
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Donna Adelson is a curse.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Back to the facts of the case. Tamara Demco, a
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: very dear friend of Dan Markel's, was living in Tallahassee
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: when Dan was murdered. Tamara hardly even know where to start,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: but why don't we start with the day of the murder,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: I did not find out about Danny being shot until
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: he had already passed. So the nineteenth of July, I
• 28:17
  Speaker 16: received an email from a law school friend that said,
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay?
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: And she knew that I was very close to Danny.
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: So I went to Facebook and I looked and I
• 28:30
  Speaker 16: saw the awful news and it was horrifying because he
• 28:34
  Speaker 16: was shot in broad daylight before noon on the eighteenth
• 28:38
  Speaker 16: at Friday, I was working two miles down the road
• 28:41
  Speaker 16: while my dear friend was being murdered, and the thought
• 28:46
  Speaker 16: was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news,
• 28:48
  Speaker 16: and it was very.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Devastating, Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: over the world, I only wish their husband would take
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the children to school in the morning, do the school run.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I happened to love.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite part of the day. But be involved,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: play with the children, do something with the children. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I got lucky because my husband does. But
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: so many women feel that it's all on them. And
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: here's the guy, your friend, Danny Marcel, who is fighting
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: tooth and nail for his children, what, if anything, do
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: you know about his battle with his wife and his
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: in laws over the children.
• 29:41
  Speaker 16: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy, Danny was just so
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: passionate for life, and he was most passionate about his boys.
• 29:49
  Speaker 16: He was a real friend, someone who would go out
• 29:52
  Speaker 16: of his way to see you and to support you,
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.
• 29:57
  Speaker 16: But the boys were his life, and he and even
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: take time out of his schedule to go meet up
• 30:03
  Speaker 16: with the boys just for snack time. That's the kind
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: of dad he was. You'd also seen them to sleep
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: at night and he would play with them. He was
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: just a wonderful, wonderful dad, and the boys deserved and
• 30:16
  Speaker 16: still deserved to know him and who he was. The
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: divorce is very contentious.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: because did I have those facts right that he goes
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: he's a professor. It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: a professor at FSU.
• 30:33
  Speaker 16: Florida State University, correct, and.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Was apparently in the academic world, very well regarded.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: He was also devout.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Because Joel Wallman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: want her answer isn't it true that we find out
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: the mother in law, Donna Adelson, she quit work and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: spent her whole cultivating her three children like they were
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: hothouse plants, going to the right schools, going to the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: right camps over the summer, getting this award and that award,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: and the whole shebang.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm not detigrading that, I'm applauding that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: But isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: to bribe Danny with a million dollars.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: To give up the children.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Essentially let them move seven or eight hours away to
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: be close to her, the grandma. And then when that
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to raise them
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized and they were
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over the edge,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and Wendy, to her credit on that well, ostensibly would
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: not do it.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Didn't that happen, Joel Waldman.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch Don
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Aedilsen is at the wedding. Obviously, prior to all the acrimony,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Dan Markel, as you just mentioned, was becoming more and
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: more involved in his Judaism.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: He really wanted a kosher.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Wedding, and lo and behold at the wedding itself, they
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: pulled all the kosher food. It was something that was
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: perplexing to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it. They
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: had friends who are coming.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Who would only eat kosher food.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: And then as things heated up, and as this to
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: force got more than working.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa, whoa Joe, Wait, isn't this was this the
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: big wedding with two hundred guests in Boca Raton.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, it is two hundred plus guests.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: And it was in the New York Times. You know
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: how hard it is to get your wedding. I did
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: not try, Jack, You don't look at me that way.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I was lucky to get it in the Make and Telegraph.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Oh and the headline was something like Grace secretly Mary's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: husband converts from that Baptist to Methodist. Okay converts anyway,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: something to that effect was in some paper. Long story short,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: it was so big it was in the New York Times.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: This is the first I've heard that they pull the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: This is the Adelson family.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: They pulled the kosher food, and all the guests there,
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: you know, probably a good portion would only eat kosher food.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: So there goes the wedding meal for a lot of people.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: Nancy.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at Karenstark dot com.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Karen with a C.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Go Karen, go, go go the.
• 33:31
  Speaker 18: Mother in law.
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: no good values of morality that we're talking about. They
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story.
• 33:45
  Speaker 17: You have guests who can't.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Eat, Karen, you do know there's been a murder, so
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: let's not get too hung up on the wedding. Although
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I agree with you that.
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: I mean, I know, Nan, but you know what, the
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: thing that really gets to me the most beside the
• 34:03
  Speaker 17: murder are the children.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree. Back to the children, good, thank you.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Let's get the ship right in out of the weeds
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: and back on the road. And since we're so much
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: on the road and we're out of the weeds, Joel Waldman,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: isn't it also true that there is a third sibling.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You've got Wendy who was married to the murder victim,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and to this day everyone insists she knew nothing about
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the plot by her mother and brother to kill him.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: You got Wendy, you got the brother, Charlie, who's convicted
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of hiring a hitman to kill his brother in law.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: And you've got a third sibling that was in love
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: with an Indian girl who was Hindu. And the parents,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the Adelsons, threw such a fit. He broke off married
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: someone that they would accept. That marriage fell apart after
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a couple of years, and he went back to his
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: original first love and they're together today.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Is that right, Joel?
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: thick irony here. And I have to say this because
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the podcast is called Surviving the Survivor, because my dear
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: mother is a Holocaust survivor, and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson,
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: march down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Dan Markel was
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: too Jewish. Dan Markel was too Jewish, but Rob Aidelson
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: marrying a non Jewish woman, she was just beside herself,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: so they dug their noses into that relationship. Insisted that
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Rob Adelson, that now Estrange, son of the Adelson family,
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: marry a Jewish woman.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: He did for a short time, he was.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: Not in love, and then later he reconnects with this
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is happily married
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and completely disconnected from the Adelson family.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is is Joel is one hundred percent correct.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: They are not going to win Parents of the Year.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: There was an article that came out from a supporter
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: of the Aedolsons, which was a little suspicious because of
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: the timing. It looks like perhaps it was from a
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: paid supporter, someone who said he's known the Eedelsons forever
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: and they would never do something like this. They must
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: be innocent. But then it was revealed that the author
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: of the piece hadn't spoken to the Aedelsons in twenty
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: five plus years, hadn't seen them in more than twenty
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: five years. So they don't have a lot of defenders
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: right now, Nancy. And the big question is Donna is guilty.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: What's the next shoot of ball? Because I don't think
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: prosecutors will be done there.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You may you believe prosecutors are going to go after
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the father in law, Harvey Aedelson, who was with Donna
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Adelson on his way to Vietnam. Didn't he go, hey,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: don't we have a one way ticket to Vietnam? We're
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: not coming home?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: And you know what that is.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: are under suspicion.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump. Okay,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: which'll get to But his phone, Harvey Aielsen's phone took
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of the phone calls around the time of
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: the murder.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But you know what, let's bring it home. Let's bring
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it home just a moment.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: to one one called listen to this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, what's going on with him? I don't know.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: got blood all over his head.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: To Tamara Demco. She is a doctor, she is a jd.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: She is an our n.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: She's a Harvard Law school classmate with Danny Markel. She's
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: known since nineteen ninety seven. Was at work a few
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: blocks away when Dan he was murdered. When I think
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: of this, I know he was brilliant. I know he's
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: a Harvard law grad. I know he's a law professor,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: wrote all sorts of very impressive works.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Of legal acuity.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I know that. But a dad so involved, so full
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of life, it's very hard for me to take in
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that his own in laws would have him killed.
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.
• 38:32
  Speaker 16: I actually grew up in the same town as the Edelshon's,
• 38:34
  Speaker 16: my family's home a mile away from their home, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: I guess lectured for Wendy Edelson in her law school classes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 16: It was really something that I did not want to
• 38:46
  Speaker 16: consider as a possibility, and it's heartbreaking in and of itself.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Samara, of course you were not on Charlie Aedelson's The Maestro,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: But now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: do you think.
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: I think that there was a very concerted effort and
• 39:05
  Speaker 16: a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's or planners.
• 39:10
  Speaker 16: I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice
• 39:13
  Speaker 16: in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: justice will continue to happen, and will continue to seek
• 39:21
  Speaker 16: it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable,
• 39:26
  Speaker 16: and that a callous disregard for life and the cold
• 39:29
  Speaker 16: calculation of the murder is not something that a self serving,
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: that's the just kind of justice that I'm looking for.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us, did you know Donna Adelson the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: mother in law.
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I
• 39:54
  Speaker 16: had also been to Wendy's home and Aqua Ridge. And yes,
• 39:58
  Speaker 16: I've met Donna several times. I've had drinks with her,
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with
• 40:04
  Speaker 16: the family as well.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Harvey Adolson is like, what Charlie Adelson is like. There
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: are people, even when confronted with the evidence, and it's
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: pretty strong evidence, including fifty six thousand dollars in cash
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: put in the go between account, Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, who
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: hired her, who arranged for her common law husband and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: his friend to do the hit. Her account gets all
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: this money poured into it. The hit men get money
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: and Charlie Adelson. Hey, Dave Erinberg and Joel Waldman jump
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: in if I've got this wrong. There are a lot
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: of meticulous facts in this case. But Charlie Adelson had
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: a habit he whenever dealing with cash with staple the
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: money together. I've never seen that in my life. And
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: they would get cash stapled together. Is that right, Dave Ehmberg?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: That is correct.
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: It's like a fingerprint.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: That was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: for the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: you explain that the killers had in their possession of
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: these stapled stacks of bills?
• 41:25
  Speaker 19: How do you explain it?
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: Well, Charlie, I think they built his defense around that
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: where he tried to explain it by saying that he
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: was the victim of an extortion plot and that's why
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: he had to pay the killers or else they would
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: kill him and his family. Of course that didn't make
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: any sense.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Well then how come he's still alive?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: And that's and also don't how extortion works where the
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: killers go and first murder your enemy and then they
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: come back and they say, okay, we've killed your enemy.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Now we're going to kill you and your family unless
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: say pay us or we're going to kill you and
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: your family. So none of this made any sense.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely fast Awkwards exactly.
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Either, tamoraw dimco back to you, I was asking.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: You what were the Adelson's like, specifically Donna.
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: great to have to chat conversations with, and she was
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: very proud of her children, very much involved with the
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they
• 42:42
  Speaker 16: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly, and Charlie
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: was very lively. He was always on the go and
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: enjoyed partying quite.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: A bit, and Dave Ehrenberg joining US Palm Beach County
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: state attorney and friend of Danny Marcel. He has been
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: really Charlie. Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: he was James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm from South Florida, and as Joel and Tamrek
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: would say, that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: life with his ferrari and his fast women and his
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: clubbing lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: he was involved with steroids. And here was a guy
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: who was a nerd back in high school who then
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: became this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: he could get away with murder.
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: And that's the.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: Kind of person who would commit this kind of crime
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: because people say, why do you think you could get
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: away with it? Well, when you're hopped up on steroids
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: and you think that you're smarter than everyone else, Yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: you think you're above the law and you wouldn't get caught.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: And it took nine plus years for there to be
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: justice for Charlie.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And the FBI.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a FED for three years. I hate the federal government.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Except the irs. I love you.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Please don't look at me, Joel Waldman, Could you please
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: explain what I'm talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: would never been convicted are murdering his brother in law
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: over a visitation with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: be in a jail sale up in her seventies trying
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: to flee to Vietnam right now if it had it
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: been for wire taps and surreptitious recordings, one of the
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: most amazing ones that actually worked, Joel Waldman, and I'm
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: gonna hear from Robert Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I want to circle back to doctor Gorniac.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: On what Danny Markel experienced because when the neighbor came up,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: he was still rolling his head around and moving, which
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: in my mind means he was suffering after he was shot.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Joel Waldman, as it's called the bump. If Adelson's had
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: kept their traps shut, they wouldn't be in jail right now.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the bump as it is called.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: So the bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: So it's interesting bring it up.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I just did a tour for my podcast to the
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: location where the bump happened, and it happened to take
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: place right in front of where the Adelsons were living.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: And it's an iconic, the iconic, the icon yeah, the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: icon yes, yes, and it's a.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Very lavish building.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: I think units started around two million dollars.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo building. The
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: unit started two million dollars.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's interesting.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: This tour I did.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: I was curious to see these different spots. So I
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: also went by Charlie Adelson's house.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Oh so we can see. I can't wait to say this. Okay,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: court admitted that he was making three and a half
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: So that goes back to the James Bond quest because
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: that is not really the salary of the periodontis.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: But we do know through these.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Wiretaps that he was illicitly dealing steroids as well. But
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: back to the bump. So this bump happened right in
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: front of this Icon building in South Beach. It's a
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: beautiful area. You can literally this is what's so sad.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: You can literally take a stone from where the bump
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: happened and throw it and hit the school that the
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: two Markelle children attended, and Donna was on her way
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: to pick up her grandchildren.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: You may after they killed Danny Markel and move the
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right that's where they're going
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to school.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: two young boys are gonna have a lot, a lot
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: and Nancy, I know, you know this firsthand, a lot
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: of grieving to deal with and a lot of you know,
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: understanding about what happened to their family as they become
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: these young teens that they are.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Now not only changed their last name from Markel back
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to Adelson, and the maiden name of the mom, but
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: took away the oldest son's middle name, which had been
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: the Hebrew name of.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Dan Markel's grandma.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Right, so all trace of Dan Markel has been removed
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: from their life.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: the school that they were attending at the time, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: ultimately when they got the uh, you know that video
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: so called Dulce Beata tapes that have the little woman
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Aedelson talking. So it's a combination
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: of this.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Donna Agelson's attorney, and he
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: portrayed the accused murderous mother in law as a woman
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: who became too involved in her daughter's divorce and that
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: led to insults and name calling in so many emails
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: between family members. But she said that did not make
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: her a murderer.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: It was not proof.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son, doctor Robert Adelson, an
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: ear nose and throat specialist. The mother and son are estranged.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: He described his mother as controlling and said she hated
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Dan Markell. Adelson, seventy five, did not take the witness
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: stand in her own defense. After the guilty verdict was read,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Adelson shouted, oh my God, breaking down in tears. The
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: judge admonished Adelson to control herself, then ordered the jury out,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: giving Adelson a two minute break to collect herself.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: This is the trial of the monster in law, the
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: her son in law because he would not let his
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: children move eight hours away to live. I hear wow,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I wonder why after trying to bribe him for a
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: million dollars, threatened to indoctrinate the boys in another religion.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: A plot unfold. I haven't even gotten to all the
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: wire taps.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: You know what.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: You're going to totally wig when you hear this. But
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: let's take a step by step because it can get complicated.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: Charlie Aedelson, brother of Wendy Aedelson, uses his girlfriend Katherine
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: mcbanawad to arrange a murder for hire, using the father
• 50:29
  Speaker 9: of her two children, Sigfredo Garcia, and his friend Louis Rivera,
• 50:33
  Speaker 9: to kill Dan Markel. The end result that Wendy Aedelson
• 50:37
  Speaker 9: can move her two children too South Florida, near her family.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: Exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed?
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan markill.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Right behind him, and of course I jumped out and show.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: How many times did Garcia shoot Mark?
• 50:58
  Speaker 20: Mister moyle cole Blood Cold Blood Gig McKelvey joining US
• 51:06
  Speaker 20: investigative journalist, star of Pretty Lies and Alibis podcast.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Gigi's been on the case from the very very beginning.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Gig Cold What I mean? He just rattled off, how
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: many times you shoot him? Twice? He doesn't care about
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: the children, He doesn't care about Markel's family, devastated family twice. Okay,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: forget about that. Let me talk to you about the plot.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Let me understand. Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the one that got the divorce.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: The lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: He decides to intervene and he gets his girlfriend, Katherine
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Magbwana to arrange a hit and the hit men are
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: the father of her chill ldren, Sigfredo Garcia and his
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: friend Louise Rivera. Okay, there is Catherine Magbonwa and the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: father of her children, Sigfreda Garcia and his buddy Luis Rivera.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down, Gigi. And
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: isn't it quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: around Wendy Adelson is dropping like flies now her mother
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: is on trial, but she is unscathed.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Neither person of interest or suspect.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Tell me how this whole thing went down with the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: girlfriend with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: a piece of work, because when I think of hit man,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband to get
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: some of his low.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Life friends to pull off a hit.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not all as in priests and virgins, Gigi,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: birds of a feather, you know the rest. So he
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder and guess what
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: she does.
• 52:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean that's essentially what happened. And it was
• 53:01
  Speaker 12: pretty soon after they started seeing each other at Halloween
• 53:04
  Speaker 12: party where they're getting in their car to leave, and
• 53:07
  Speaker 12: he just asked her, hey, do you know anybody that
• 53:10
  Speaker 12: would hurt somebody? And she said yes and left it there.
• 53:14
  Speaker 12: And it wasn't until later on when the relocation was
• 53:19
  Speaker 12: a big issue with Donna, and we're going to hear
• 53:22
  Speaker 12: that on these wiretap calls as this trial progresses. It
• 53:26
  Speaker 12: was getting fever pitch. I don't think Charlie cared where
• 53:29
  Speaker 12: Wendy and the boys lived. He's a playboy making millions
• 53:33
  Speaker 12: of dollars every year, but it was important to Donna.
• 53:36
  Speaker 12: And as time went on and Donna got more frantic
• 53:39
  Speaker 12: and more obsessed with the location issue, he finally went
• 53:43
  Speaker 12: to her and said, we need to get this done.
• 53:45
  Speaker 12: That is when she went to her baby daddy, Sigfredo Garcia,
• 53:50
  Speaker 12: and proposed, would you like to make some money to
• 53:53
  Speaker 12: take care of somebody?
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And he said yes.
• 53:56
  Speaker 12: After that he got his childhood friend, Luis Rivera, who
• 53:59
  Speaker 12: was the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings,
• 54:04
  Speaker 12: to come along as a ride along essentially, and that's
• 54:07
  Speaker 12: where the plot started.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: So Charlie Adelson, aka the Maestro, who is Wendy Adolson?
• 54:17
  Speaker 18: Ah?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: There he is? What a fine figure of a man,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: vanity plate maestro? Okay, whatever, So how is he making
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: so much money hand over fishgg how much money are
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: we talking about? What did he do for a living.
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: He's a periodontist, so that's a dental surgeon. Harvey the
• 54:36
  Speaker 12: father was only a dentist and owned the Adolson Institute,
• 54:40
  Speaker 12: which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: travel around South Florida and do day work at these
• 54:47
  Speaker 12: other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money. Also,
• 54:52
  Speaker 12: the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments.
• 54:57
  Speaker 12: Charlie was notorious for having a safe his stacks of one.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Hundred bills in there. But Charlie, Yeah, he was driving
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: around supercars.
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: He had a boat throwing money out left and right,
• 55:11
  Speaker 12: and he had to.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Meet with a supercar. The last thing I want is
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: a man pulling up in an expensive car. I mean
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: a guy pulls up in a Lamborghini.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bye bye. You know what that means to me?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: That means he's having a midlife crisis, or he feels
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: like he's got to have a really expensive car to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: impress people, because obviously his personality and intellect don't cut it.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: So not interested. My husband drives a beat up SUV.
• 55:43
  Speaker 19: Beat up, totally beat up, and he doesn't care. That's
• 55:48
  Speaker 19: what I like about him. So this guy, what kind
• 55:50
  Speaker 19: of car? Is a supercar? Charlie Adelson, I believe he
• 55:53
  Speaker 19: had a Lamborghini If I recall correctly, it must have
• 55:58
  Speaker 19: been why I said Lamborghini.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, I could just see him driving up now the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: strip in Miami in his Lamborghini Maestro on his vanity.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So who's doctor Bubner?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: B n E R Who Dave Mac?
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Who's doctor Bubner?
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: I noticed that you, Dave Mac keep talking about doctor Bubner,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm wondering why he just love to say Bubner?
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Who is that?
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: Doctor Bubner is a Miami doctor who is a breast
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: augmentation specialist, and he refers to himself first as doctor
• 56:37
  Speaker 9: Bubner and then of course his patients are so happy
• 56:41
  Speaker 9: with the results that they in turn call him doctor
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: Bubner and.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, okay, great, what does he have to do with
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: this case?
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: He's like the missing link in the Dan Markel murder mystery,
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: if you want to call it that. The prosecutors that
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: were investigating the case, they actually were able to high
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: end doctor Bubner. Between Katherin Macbanawah and Charlie Adelson and
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: that he did Katherine macbanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: To star's wait stop stop stop stop stop place play
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: speak no more. Are you hearing this, fattus? I assume, fattus,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: you've seen the series of moodies called The Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Scott don Nott's and others in it. Yeah, you need
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: to see that. I showed it to the children. But
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: I think the title says it all. So the go
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: between Katherine mcbanoa, who set up the hit for Charlie
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Adelson for his mother or the monster in law got
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: paid with a breast lift implants.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy right now because.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: That's not hard to trace, right, he paid her with
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: knee breasts a and me.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Right right, Nancy.
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: But that the key there is Charlie paid her. Charlie
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: paid her, not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the bill
• 58:16
  Speaker 10: for this new press. And so what we're talking about
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: is is certainly this uh you know, code of folks
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: who are.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Conspiring with one another.
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence,
• 58:27
  Speaker 10: is just kind of a protective grandma.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Protective mother tried the million dollar bribe. O. Did you
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: not hear you need to turn up hearing aids? Did
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: you not hear?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: GJ.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: McKelvey, just say, Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: where those boys lived. He only did it because his
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a dog in that fight, no skin
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: in the game. He did it because his mother would
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: not leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys.
• 58:57
  Speaker 10: But to say that that call this murder for higher
• 59:01
  Speaker 10: plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the
• 59:04
  Speaker 10: evidence has supported yet. And so, uh, you know, I
• 59:08
  Speaker 10: just think that's a bit of a stretch the prosecutor.
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: They've already got there pound of flesh with the four
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: other convictions, and in defense of saying leave this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, you're talking about the conviction of
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: the brother, the playboy, Lamborghini Brother aka Maestro, the girlfriend
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: with the breastlift, Katherine Maybanoi, the hit man, and his
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: gang cohort. Those four have been convicted. None of them
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: care about where the boys live. The only one that
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: cares is Donna eight oldson. Catherine mcbanoi testifies under oath
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a link without Mommy
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  Speaker 2: saying okay, you can go.
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  Speaker 1: So this was like a regular part of the way
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  Speaker 1: this worked.
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  Speaker 20: Whenever this conversation came up, he yes, we consult his
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 20: mother and come back.
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  Speaker 5: And speak to you, and Jackie is an.
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  Speaker 9: Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson.
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  Speaker 9: The agent hands Dona Adelson a press release of Markel's murder,
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  Speaker 9: asks Adelson for five thousand dollars, and provides a phone number.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 9: Investigators intercepted called. Donna Adelson makes to Charlie asking him
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: to meet with her about paperwork hand delivered to her
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: outside her condo. Charlie asks if it involves him, and
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  Speaker 9: Donna says, probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 9: intercept calls. This time Charlie tells mom not to talk
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: about things in the apartment. Adelson asked his mother what
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 9: the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: about five Charlie asks if they ask for five thousand dollars.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adlson calls Katherine mag Banawa and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: explains someone approached his mother. They're regarding her son and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: his ex girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adolson
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: saying to mac Baniwa, my mom doesn't know these guys.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: He says, paying someone off is not an admission of guilt.
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  Speaker 9: Conversations continue between Charlie Aedelson, Donna Adelson, Katherine Macbanawa, and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: Siefredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators.
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  Speaker 2: You know Eric Fattus's worst nightmare is a wire tab.
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  Speaker 1: Hey or an undercover agent?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Eric Fattus, did you hear that an undercover agent approaches
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Adolson on the street. He's got a press release or
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: an article about Markel's murder and says, hey, you owe
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: me five thousand dollars. I have info on you and
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: your son.
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  Speaker 1: What does she do?
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  Speaker 3: John?
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  Speaker 1: Call police? She calls her son.
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  Speaker 2: And goes, don't talk on the phone and makes us
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe a five
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars she has just been put to her and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: they go, don't when somebody says don't talk on the phone,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: you know it's something bad or don't put it in
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: writing you don't want to leave a trail, and that's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: what she says.
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  Speaker 10: Well, hey, what it could be. It sounds a little
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: bit like entrapman. It sounds a little bit like government overreach.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 10: It sounds a little bit like Charlie Edelson was involved
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 10: in some misdeeds and the government's trying to rope in
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 10: somebody who did not have any direct involvement. Look, the
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 10: mother may have known that Charlie Adamson did what he
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 10: did and may have wanted to talk with him about that.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 10: None of that is criminal. And the fact that she says, oh,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: it involves both of us, well, she's the one who
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: received the document and received the bump, which was this
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: surreptitious encounter. And so hey, look, you know, calling your
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 10: son to talk about it is not crime.
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  Speaker 2: You know what when you say things like Ron Bateman
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: come out, you.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Know, let's school Eric Fattis.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: If it's possible Bateman former sheriff, author homicide undercover, you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: name it Bateman.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear the.
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  Speaker 2: Words don't talk on the phone or don't talk in
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: the apartment, why not talk in your apartment? If some
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: guy I don't know literally bumps in to me on
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: the street and tries to extract five grand from me.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I'm calling police, but neither one of them call police.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: In fact, they don't talk on the phone all that started.
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  Speaker 13: Let me talk about that for one second. I've been
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 13: in those positions. I have been the undercover guy. I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 13: have been the hit guy for a relationship that went bad.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 21: And I was.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 13: The guy on the phone during the undercover call in
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 13: this case with a wife, and it is so funny.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 13: And I'm being undercovered narcotics detective for a long time
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: and got into this role as a hit man.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: People always talk on the phone.
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  Speaker 21: They try to talk in code, and I was talking
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 21: in code to this one particular lady. It's just so
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 21: funny there not as diabolical with their planning of a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 21: murder like people think they should be. I had Maryland's
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 21: first life without parole case ever happened, and it was
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 21: a contract murder involving a wife and a husband. Totally
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 21: different case where I was the undercover hitman. But again,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 21: it's just so funny how just things just crumple down
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 21: and the worst thing that you can have in any
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 21: kind of crime is another person. And if there's another person,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 21: which in this case, there are several they'll altern on
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 21: each other, which obviously in this case they have what
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 21: I call in this case, and I don't know if
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 21: I've coined this I it's my own.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 13: Thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 13: that was dropped on the husband before he went for
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: the speaking engagement. And then these guys here, the Garcia
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 13: and Rivera. I mean, come on, you think there's no
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 13: ring cameras across the street or at the front of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: the house. I'm I mean, come on, it's just it's so.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: And now it culminates from the hitmen to the breastlift
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: as payment for setting up the hit, to the son,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: the brother Charlie Adelson, to the mother, Donna Adelson. Now
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson, and all of this,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, was for her.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: She says she knew nothing of it.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: close to getting out of the country and going to
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: a non extradition jurisdiction, specifically the nam caught at the airport.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Listen, this is a sweetheart.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 18: Let's go just get away, just get away somewhere, so
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 18: we could have sometimes think.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 10: Okay, so your testimony is that you weren't trying to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: go to Vietnam because you.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to be extradited from there.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 18: So my husband actually had said, you know, we've been
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 18: to Vietnam before with friends, we run vacation and it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 18: really was like a place of peace. And so he said,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 18: if we go to a non extradition country, then if
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 18: the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 18: or me, whatever both he said, then he said, we
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 18: won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 18: go back. We could buy a ticket and we could
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 18: go home. And my understanding was that I could go
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 18: home and I could turn myself in if that's.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: What they wanted. Yeah, that's how it typically does not work.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: You go to a non extradition country and then when
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the cops want to arrest you.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Just come home. Okay.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: That is what we call in the law flight as
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: evidence of guilt.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: You leave the scene of.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: The crime, or you leave before you can get caught.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Everyone is wondering what else was heard on those tapped
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: phone calls to gg McKelvey. We have been listening to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Ellie on the stand now going on two days. What
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: did they say?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 12: They pretty much went through a couple of calls, initially
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 12: about Wendy, and I think what the prosecution was trying
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 12: to do was show that Donna was complaining about relationships
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 12: and jobs that Wendy had chosen.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: And she was having Charlie do her bidding for her.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: You need to talk to your sister, talker out of this,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 12: You need to talk her into this. So I think
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 12: the first couple of calls, that's what that was for.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 12: Then we get into those bump calls that we've been
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 12: talking about, where there's panic.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: You know, Donna's not wanting to say much.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls, but it's
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 12: what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 12: ex Girlfriend, what is five thousand dollars? Why is this
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 12: No police called nothing at all except that phone call
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 12: right after that, Charlie, we need to have dinner.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: This involves the two of us.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 12: The TV was about five and they have determined over
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 12: the course of these wiretaps, TV is code for murder.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 9: Jeffery Lecash was dating Wendy Agelson around the time of
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: Dan murder and says he felt like he was being
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: framed as the possible killer. La Casa says Wendy pushed
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 9: for details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July eighteenth,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 9: killers rented a car similar in color and style to
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: La CAS's gray Nissan Sentra and travel in the same
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: direction as La Cass as they head out of town.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: He also notes he had plans to travel that route
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: the same morning in June twenty fourteen that the hitman
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markel.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: JJ mccalveny, joining US investigative journalist, So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: thought her family, including her, was trying to set him
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: up to take the fall for the murder.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, and he told a story that would support that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 12: He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 12: She had just got back from a ten weeks day
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 12: in Miami, and they met up and she said, look,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: you know, I really just want some days alone. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 12: this is at the time that the actual murder happened.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 12: They met up one last time, and as they're going
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 12: to their car, she turns and asks him about his trip.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 12: It was happening the next day, Hey, what would cause
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 12: you not to go on your trip? Which way are
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 12: you going? And he thought it was odd, and so
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 12: he goes on about his day and come to find
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 12: out both times, the first attempt that happened in June,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 12: that law enforcement did not know about, in fact, until
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 12: Luis Rivera told them in his profer they ranted a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 12: car very similar to Jeff Lacass's. And I don't think
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 12: it's much of a coincidence that on two separate trips
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 12: in two separate months, when the killers are in town,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 12: that's when Jeff Lacass scheduled to go out. He would
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 12: have taken a route that would have went very near
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 12: Dan Markel's house about the same time that the two
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 12: hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 12: I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 12: it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 12: the Adlesim way of thinking about Dan at the time
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 12: he was with Wendy.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: That's what you do.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 12: Sometimes when you're in relationships. So it could have been
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 12: the perfect storm for him, but thank goodness he was
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 12: able to.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Isn't there other than brainwashing? The boyfriend Dave mac I'm interested,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about a conversation. According to the boyfriend, Jeffrey Lacasse,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: he says, Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys, Dan
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Markel's wife that wanted the divorce and moved the boys away.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: Wendy Adelson, according to Lacas, says, and I'm reading it verbatim,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: looked into all options possible to take care of the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Danny Markel problem, including hiring a hitman, and it would
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: cost about fifteen thousand dollars. Okay. Then there was a question,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: is this some kind of joke Charlie Matt and the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: boyfriend says, this was no joke.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: Jeff Lecash actually has already testified Nancy, and he broke
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: this all out. Georgia Kapelman when the prosecutors actually was
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: able to bring this out of him, and she even
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: went back to, what was this a joke? Kind of
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 9: like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorce
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: president kind of thing as a joke? And he was like, no,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: this is not a joke, because think about it. In
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: contact Nancy, you've got Wendy Adels and volunteering that Charlie
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: came up with a plan and it would cost fifteen grand.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: That's beyond joking. That's not an off handed comment. That
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: is a very firm I got to get this off
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: my chest kind of thing.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: And she did, you know what.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: And I don't care how angry I get at my husband.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: If someone said, hey, I'm going to give you a
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: TV as a divorce present, it's cheaper than a hit man,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: they would get a total knuckle sandwich. Okay, But according
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: to what the boyfriend says, this was no joe. And
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: let me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Has not been charged. She is not a.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Person of interest in the murder of Dan Marcel. Everyone
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: in our country is innocent. They are presumed innocent until
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: and unless the state pierces that presumption of innocence with
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: guilt to prove the incident actually happened and the defendant
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: is guilty. Wendy Adelson, as of tonight, has not been
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: charged as a suspect or person of interest in this case.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: And we wait as justice unfolds for the so called
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: monster in law, Donna Adelson, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: friend
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  Speaker 3: B.