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Sui*ide, Stigma, And Why This Matters Now · Voices for Voices®

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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, it's Justin here at Voices for Voices.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for watching and listening.
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• 0:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh we're again grateful to have you with us.
• 0:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We wouldn't have a show if we didn't have you as uh as viewers, as listeners, as commenters, um, as just part of the uh Voices for Voices family.
• 0:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's uh it's an incredible feeling uh to now be over I I think it's 535 episodes.
• 1:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um and it's uh it's all because of you.
• 1:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're here we're here because of you.
• 1:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh that's uh I can't stress that enough.
• 1:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um that uh yeah, it's it's just incredible to be where we're at.
• 1:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um wow, okay.
• 1:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Just had me just thinking about where how far we've come in uh and so let's get started.
• 1:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh woke up this morning and uh there's fog and uh the fog isn't from the usual kind of weather uh terminology, I guess.
• 1:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know if that's the right word.
• 2:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, it's actually from I guess a wildfire that is nearby enough that the wind and the air current uh is bringing that to where we reside, and so that was and is still going on.
• 2:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh it's it's interesting because when I lived in another state, we had something similar uh happen uh when I went out to get into my car to drive to work, went out, and it was just like a hazy fog, and it's obviously could smell like something was burning in uh so we we want to keep our uh fellow humans who are in that path or have been in that path uh to uh to stay safe and uh limit your time outside, and that's just a public service announcement.
• 3:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, we want to keep everybody as healthy as can be, and that's uh what what we what we need to do.
• 3:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and uh is able to run a couple errands uh have the energy to to do a show, and these are all things that you know just a few months back, um I I wasn't, and and I I know I've talked about being at the gym and just wanting to get in, get my workout done, and get out.
• 4:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, there's a uh nice gentleman that uh met a couple times, uh just you know introduced ourselves, and you know, he's going from one exercise to another, and I'm going from one to another too.
• 4:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And uh he really took some time to to really kind of reintegrate me into working out uh as far as the process he's found it's worked, and can he also mention what I I've shared is you know, we we can never know everything, and so sometimes we'll watch others and go, oh wow, that that exercise that looks like something that I could try, something new, something different.
• 5:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe it's a twist on something.
• 5:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, you know, when you have the cables, right?
• 5:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So you have all kinds of attachments you know put on on there and work a variety of muscles.
• 5:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um he was showing me some of uh the the exercises that he does when uh when when he's at the at the gym, and uh it's very much appreciated.
• 5:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh again, because I'm now just you know getting back into the flow of things, and it's just nice to have somebody that will take the time to go through that and and just say, hey, if if you need any help, if you need a spot on the bench press or other uh weights, other exercises, just just let me know.
• 6:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'd be more than happy.
• 6:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I mean, it it was uh it was nice, it was a good feeling.
• 6:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And like I said, I I didn't know I've said I like to get to the gym, work out, and get out.
• 6:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It this was a conversation that was very helpful because it it was all about working out, it was all it was all about the different exercises and lifting weights and different ways and different muscle groups and uh how to address them.
• 6:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so it was it was nice.
• 6:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I uh I'm grateful.
• 6:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm I'm not gonna share his name.
• 7:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um but uh it was nice.
• 7:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It it was nice to to have that.
• 7:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I I could I could could have used that today, and I did.
• 7:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so I guess I like to say, I guess from like a lesson learned is it's okay to you know go about our routines and that, but not to be so closed off that if somebody's trying to help you or just show you you know, I'm using my experience, just happened a matter of minutes ago.
• 7:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, where someone was you know helping me, and I didn't take offense to it.
• 7:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't he wasn't standoffish or like, oh well, I lift this much weight, and you know, oh you're you're here, and like there was none of that, it was just like a human-to-human conversation, and and it was about working out, and that's what we were both there to do, and so it was very helpful.
• 8:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um, and so I'm I'm glad I wasn't so because I can can be and have then where I don't realize somebody has said hi or hello, and so I've already kind of passed them because I'm already thinking about the next thing that I'm gonna be doing, the next exercise, uh the next machine, you know, free weights or the machines or what have you.
• 8:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I can get in that kind of a zone, which is good, but then I would have missed I would have missed out on the conversation with this gentleman, and and I learned a a lot to kind of get my mind back into the the flow of things.
• 9:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um I mean, and I'm taking I don't know what five that nine minutes or whatever talking about this because he was taking time out of his day to talk to somebody he really he doesn't like we don't know each other from outside the gym, and he could have just easily just said, Hi, this is my name, and then I'd say oh you know I'm you know Justin and uh well you know it could have been like that, and a lot of times that's what happens is it's just like hey, how you doing?
• 9:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Morning, good afternoon, and that's the type of small talk that I don't do very well at.
• 9:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh I just don't.
• 9:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's you know, I'm uh I've used the word fixer that a lot I I find like what I want what I need to do.
• 10:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, I'm going to the gym.
• 10:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, am I doing shoulders today?
• 10:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, so I'm gonna need to do some type of a rotation of shoulder exercises, and there's a lot, there's a lot of options, and it was just a nice day to have a nice conversation, and you know he didn't hover, he didn't watch me do the do the workout or anything like that.
• 10:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Um so I didn't feel like that he was and maybe maybe he was watching from afar, I don't know.
• 11:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, but he wasn't in that you know, that micromanager type of deal where you know standing right next to you and or me, and and then we just start working out, and then they jump in and go, well, you know, if you do this, you know, that you know, you should be doing this or that, and you know, you you need to you know do lower weight, uh you know, like 10 pounds versus 20 or 30.
• 11:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And and so there's just so many different things that getting back into the flow of the gym, I'm I'm recalling a lot of what I thought I had lost as far as that that mem those memories of working out and the different uh the different exercises.
• 12:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so to get to get some coaching a little bit, I mean it was very nice, very kind for him to do that.
• 12:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I I think we all at certain times could use a little bit of help, a little recommendation.
• 12:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now it doesn't mean I have to do everything exactly like what he shared with me, but at least it gives me options in my mind that okay, when I do bat my back exercises, yeah, he showed this, maybe I'll try it.
• 12:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's that type of thing, and just and then he also said, you know, watch what watch what what people are doing, like you can learn from that.
• 13:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I said, Oh, absolutely.
• 13:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, and that's how I don't know, 10-20% of my workout, maybe 30, I don't know, some days, uh has it has evolved to have that percentage of exercises and lifting the weights be from me seeing somebody else at the gym doing a particular exercise or lifting weights.
• 13:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think that's that that's a that's a big thing because we know we're not perfect, and we know somebody's always gonna be able to lift more weight than us.
• 14:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just the way it is.
• 14:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, there's very few people, you know, that you know, the the world's strongest person, you know, when you have you know you know those individuals, that's a whole different level.
• 14:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just talking about like average everyday person, whenever they can make it to the gym, they go and they do a workout and they they look over to a certain machine and or and see a certain person doing an exercise and go, oh, maybe I'll include that.
• 14:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe it's not today, maybe it's in the future, and all that is positive reinforcement makes me feel and I I I and I know I'm spending a ton of time on this, but it's just it's just nice because the world a lot of times is so mean and harsh and negative and judging that to be somewhere and not have people judging.
• 15:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, maybe they do in their head, maybe they do.
• 15:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know.
• 15:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But today was a perfect example, or close as perfect nothing's perfect for us humans that somehow the powers to be.
• 16:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: God was like, all right, Justin, could use a little encouragement.
• 16:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know about you, but if somebody's not gonna verbally judge me is gonna help and show some things, I mean, do I have to listen to every single thing and do every single thing?
• 16:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 16:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Do you?
• 16:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely.
• 16:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What it does is it provides options that so I did shoulders today.
• 16:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So the next time I do shoulders next week, there might be some things that I learned today or saw today that I might go, oh well maybe I'll try what I saw next time and see how it goes.
• 17:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, the worst thing that happens is it feels awkward, and then you just go on to the next machine, like go on to what you know, the comfort zone.
• 17:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think it can be applied uh in life, not just at the gym.
• 17:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I know I I I've spoken about this, uh, you know, mentally I was so hung up for so many years on the cardio aspect of working out.
• 18:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I was so I was so concerned about the cardio aspect because I was like, well, I'm getting older and I'm not gonna be lifting up a lot of weights, and you know, my muscle mass and all that's gonna be lower, and and so this is what I was telling myself.
• 18:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody told me that.
• 18:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nobody said, hey Justin, you don't want to work out because this, this, this, this, and this.
• 18:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It was in my own mind that I had this, I guess, this debate.
• 18:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.
• 18:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I didn't do it for so many years, and I don't know what it, you know, I talked a little bit about getting started and that.
• 19:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But again, I was still hung up on the cardio aspect.
• 19:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, how am I gonna split up my workout?
• 19:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And do I do cardio for 30 minutes or 20 minutes, or and so I'm I'm just figuring it out.
• 19:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If I do cardio, and the same day I do like a body part, like uh shoulders.
• 19:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't today, I should have though, but it's okay.
• 19:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Big deal.
• 19:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Nothing, nothing's nothing's wrong.
• 19:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I doing shoulders, then I I would have done leg cardio, and I like the bikes that they uh that they have at the gym, and so I would do that either before the shoulder workout or after, and then when I have leg day, then I would do the cardio with my arms, which is basically like a bike, but it's with your arms, you know, you can go forward and you can go backwards.
• 20:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and the one thing I I mean, I love a couple things about it, but that one of the things I I love is it's broken, like the digital screen's broken.
• 20:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You might say, like, oh, you're going to a gym and it says falling apart.
• 20:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That actually helps me because right, usually there's this digital display of calories and distance and intensity and all these numbers, and when it and when that's not populating on the screen, I just get to go on feeling and go, okay, I feel like I've done enough for word cardio with my arms, and I'm gonna do some back.
• 21:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You might say, Justin, that's crazy.
• 21:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not really.
• 21:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You have somebody like me that has ADHD, ADD, all these things, that's probably one of the best things, again, that could happen at a gym for me.
• 21:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because when I do like weights and the machines lifting weights, there's a number of number that's associated.
• 22:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: With the amount of pounds or kilograms, you know, that you're you're lifting.
• 22:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But there's no time limit that says, okay, you only have this amount of time to do this exercise.
• 22:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But with cardio, there's so many numbers again to populate.
• 22:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you have somebody like me, I get fixated on that, on those numbers.
• 22:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, I'm am I going fast enough?
• 22:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Am I gonna burn enough calories or that I that I'm trying to?
• 22:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So for that arm bike, it's a it's a big blessing.
• 22:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because again, I don't I'm not staring at a screen that's telling me all these numbers and like all that's great, right?
• 23:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean it's nice to know, but I when it's every single second and things are flashing and moving, and that just doesn't do well for me.
• 23:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So it is a blessing in a sense that the digital display on the arm bike is broken.
• 23:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's something very, very, very, very small.
• 23:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But it can make a world of difference.
• 23:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because then it's just focusing on focusing on the moment and being present, being present in the moment, feeling the arms and the hand, you know, feeling the movement forwards and backwards, and what I'll sometimes do is there's the big clock hanging on the wall.
• 24:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Sometimes I'll I'll look at the clock, but that's just gonna tell me seconds and minutes and hours, you know, like the traditional clock, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, like that, that kind of clock.
• 24:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And it's not digital, so it's handy old-fashioned where the second hand, you know, goes around and around.
• 24:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then, you know, the minutes and the hour and all that follows.
• 24:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So sometimes I'll do that with the arm bike.
• 24:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like if I'm if I'm wanting to do that, I can.
• 25:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I usually I usually just glance at it because my arms might be tired from an earlier day, and so I I just I'm trying to try and do better at listening the proverbial listening to your body.
• 25:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Like, okay, I you know, I'm stretched out, I'm you know, my I'm morning my body up.
• 25:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I guess is the way to share it that way.
• 25:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But there's so many lessons.
• 25:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, I didn't think I'd be doing four, five, six, seven episodes about the gym, but it's part of my day.
• 26:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know how much, but it it's having enough an a positive effect on my mental health, on being more productive, and it's not like I have to rate each day like, oh, I did seven things, or I did ten, or I did zero or one, or but it makes me more active than I I would be.
• 26:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, because it it even even just to get once you're at the gym, even to get to where the weights and the cardio equipment are, and there's a walking track, you have to take the walking track around maybe three-quarters of the way, halfway, depending on which direction it is.
• 27:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They switch up on days of the week, what direction um, and so even that I'm I'm walking from my car to inside on the track to where I'm beginning my workout, and then once the workout's done, I take the track around to where the main desk is, and then I exit the building.
• 27:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So even that little walking there, when you take somebody like me that's been so sedentary, it makes a difference, it makes a big difference.
• 28:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And we all might and we might think, well, that's not gonna get you, you know.
• 28:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The word was getting ripped, uh, you know, get you know, have like muscles and that like I'm gonna get ripped.
• 28:16
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Uh and for me, I just I just want to have I just want to be a little bit more active.
• 28:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And if the muscles come, great.
• 28:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But I'm more in it for just the activity of moving around.
• 28:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why the amount of weight I lift doesn't matter.
• 28:43
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The amount of minutes and seconds and all that on the cardio equipment really doesn't matter.
• 28:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because I'm not judging myself against anybody.
• 28:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I might see something, I might see somebody doing an exercise that I might want to do, but I don't, I mean, maybe sometimes I'll look at what the weight that they're doing, but 99% of the time I'm I'm just purely watching these individuals do their workout and go, oh, I didn't realize that, or I forgot about that.
• 29:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or, you know, the cables, you know, or you can put so many different attachments on to work all kind all a ton of body parts.
• 29:47
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So today it's about the gym.
• 29:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Tomorrow it might not be because it's an off day.
• 30:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not sure what the our filming schedule is going to be like the next three days after today.
• 30:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're really humming along.
• 30:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're really we're back in that groove.
• 30:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think we're like 23 episodes in 30 days.
• 30:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, I'm the I'm the staff member that does this.
• 30:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Gets everything set up, films, edits, gets links for all the all the platforms that our show and podcast are able to be listened on and viewed on.
• 30:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll see, we'll see what the coming day brings us.
• 31:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I have to reiterate, none of us knows how long it's gonna be, how long we're gonna be on Earth.
• 31:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so for me, I'm thinking, okay, if I'm just a little bit more active, maybe that adds a day or two here and there to my life with the show and the podcast, just sharing sharing to help.
• 31:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Really, that's what it comes down to.
• 31:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You might ask, Well, what's you keep talking about stigma and uh and and all these things, and it's like, yeah, there there is a stigma, and again, you might say, Well, what do you mean?
• 32:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And like, yeah, right, you're just a weak person.
• 32:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, just yesterday from my social media feed, there were two people that died by suicide.
• 32:23
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Two.
• 32:25
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: One was uh Josh Grizzetti.
• 32:33
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Josh Grizzetti G-R-I-S E-T-T-I.
• 32:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Guess how old he was forty-four.
• 32:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Guess who else is forty-four?
• 32:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Me.
• 32:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm forty-four years old.
• 33:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So and then this this person is was he was on Broadway and I I don't know if he he did any TV or or movies.
• 33:20
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's an actor.
• 33:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Josh Grizzetti, twenty-four years old, died by suicide.
• 33:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Then there's the Los Angeles City Hall, where yesterday a man jumped just after four PM from the Spring Street side of City Hall and landed on the front steps of the iconic downtown landmark.
• 34:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The person who is believed to have jumped from the twenty-fifth or twenty-sixth floor.
• 34:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They were pronounced deceased, unalive at the scene.
• 34:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So there's there's a stigma.
• 34:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know I don't I don't know those individuals personally.
• 34:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know what they were going through.
• 34:56
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't know if they're medication, I don't know if they are therapy.
• 35:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We just don't know when our time is gonna be.
• 35:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And when we and I see these news stories of these individuals, it's not a phase.
• 35:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You've heard me say this many times, that if our show, any one of the episodes can help at least one person step away from the ledge yesterday, if we could have helped an individual from opening the window and and jumping, that's that's what makes my life worth living.
• 36:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because I have the opportunity and the great responsibility to bring easy topics, hard topics, my mental health, my mental challenges to our Voices for Voices, podcast, and TV show.
• 36:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, yes, I wasn't able to save these two individuals.
• 36:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not gonna not gonna be able to save every person, but that's my why.
• 36:54
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why I'm doing this, that's why Voices for Voices is ingrained in my body, in my mind, in my soul, in my spirit.
• 37:04
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why we do the shows, that's why we have books, other media that's gonna be rolling out is to help people and say, Oh, that character's just like me.
• 37:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not the only one.
• 37:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We just want to help.
• 37:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You see, on our social media, some of our biographies are we advocate, and we do.
• 37:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what we do.
• 37:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're advocating for people to get help, not so they're judged.
• 37:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But if those people, those two people I just referred to, those two news stories on uh TMZ, one was on TMZ and one was on E Online, which I think's entertainment online.
• 38:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So they they get the credit because they put the story out.
• 38:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not me.
• 38:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just another person that read it, and it's just a it's just a sad day when these things occur.
• 38:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's why we do what we do.
• 38:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Whether you think there's a stigma or not, there still is.
• 38:51
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Otherwise, why would those two individuals take their own lives?
• 39:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Was it a relationship?
• 39:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, I don't know, I don't know what it was, and then frankly, it's none of my business what it was or what the things were leading up to it.
• 39:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm sure there'll be stories that come out and like, oh, they're last 24 hours, and yeah, that's not what we're here for.
• 39:22
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're here just the share that this this isn't over.
• 39:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: This mental health, you know, some people jump on the bandwagon because it was a hot term.
• 39:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, it was a buzzword, buzz terms, and that's what bothers me is the people that jump on the bandwagon just so they can get some more publicity for whatever they're up to, whatever they're doing.
• 40:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Because it's easy if you're someone famous, and maybe the you know, the mental you've been able to handle the mental challenges that have come your way.
• 40:19
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's easy for those individuals that come out and tell their story, or it might not even be their story, it might just be made up.
• 40:34
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know.
• 40:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not accusing anybody of anything.
• 40:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I did I don't know, but that's the only thing I can think of.
• 40:46
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: While our show and our podcast is vastly improving and one of the top podcasts in the world, what I just said right there prior to that last part, it's stuff like that that is taking air out of not just our show, our podcast, but others who are actually talking about their lived experience instead of you know, some A-list or going, oh, I'm going through this.
• 41:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They might be, they might be.
• 41:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, I'm not accusing anybody, I'm not alleging anything.
• 41:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just putting it out there that this is a public safety, public service announcement.
• 41:53
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We need to help our fellow humans.
• 41:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And there's always gonna be people that are gonna be in it for the wrong reason.
• 42:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They just are.
• 42:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some people just aren't nice.
• 42:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So I pray if you're one of those people that are are just using the mental health, mental illness terms for your publicity.
• 42:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I pray that you stop.
• 42:37
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: If there is anybody out there doing that, I don't know.
• 42:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm I'm just purely saying if there is somebody or somebody's out there, just asking them to please stop.
• 43:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Pretty deep show.
• 43:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Especially this last segment here, really.
• 43:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You know, if we can help one another as much as we can.
• 43:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's all we can do.
• 43:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can't do everything on our own.
• 43:32
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Even though we would like to.
• 43:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But we need we need help, we all do.
• 43:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Talking to a counselor or therapist is not a bad thing.
• 43:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm speaking from experience.
• 44:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for joining us on this episode of the Voices for Voices podcast and TV show.
• 44:12
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• 44:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We would greatly appreciate that.
• 44:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They won't be disappointed, and you won't be disappointed.
• 44:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And you and your contacts can find the Voices for Voices podcast where you get your podcast.
• 44:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, let's please celebrate the voices of everyone in the world.
• 44:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can do that by being a voice for ourselves and somebody in need that isn't able to share their voice.
• 45:12
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we'll see you next time.
• 45:14
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you very much.
• 45:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye bye for now.