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- 0:00Book nine, Part one. Last of all comes the tyrannical man, about
- 0:05whom we have once more to ask, how is he formed out of the
- 0:09democratical and how does he live in happiness or in misery? Yes, he
- 0:16said, he is the only one remaining. There is, However, I
- 0:21said, a previous question which remains unanswered. What question? I do not
- 0:28think that we have adequately determined the nature and number of the appetites, And
- 0:32until this is accomplished, the inquiry will always be confused. Well, he
- 0:38said, it is not too late to supply the omission. Very true,
- 0:43I said, and observe the point which I want to understand. Certain of
- 0:48the unnecessary pleasures and appetites I conceive to be unlawful. Everyone appears to have
- 0:53them. But in some persons they are controlled by the laws and by reason,
- 0:58and the better desires prevail over them. Either they are wholly banished,
- 1:02or they become few and weak, while in the case of others, they
- 1:06are stronger, and there are more of them. Which appetites do you mean?
- 1:12I mean those which are awake. When the reasoning and human and ruling
- 1:17power is asleep, then the wild beast within us gorged with meat, or
- 1:22drink, starts up, and, having shaken off sleep, goes forth to
- 1:26satisfy his desires. And there is no conceivable folly or crime, not accepting
- 1:30incest or any other unnatural union, or parricide, or the eating of forbidden
- 1:36food, which at such a time, when he has parted company with all
- 1:40shame and sense, a man may not be ready to commit. Most true,
- 1:45he said, But when a man's pulse is healthy and temperate, and
- 1:49when before going to sleep, he has awakened his rational powers and fed them
- 1:55on noble thoughts and enquiries, collecting himself in meditation, after having first indulged
- 2:00his appetites, neither too much nor too little, but just enough to lay
- 2:04them to sleep, and prevent them and their enjoyments and pains from interfering with
- 2:08the higher principle, which he leaves in the solitude of pure abstraction, free
- 2:14to contemplate and aspire to the knowledge of the unknown, whether in past,
- 2:17present, or future. When again he has allayed the passionate element, if
- 2:22he has a quarrel against any one, I say, when after pacifying the
- 2:27two irrational principles, he rouses up the third, which is reason, before
- 2:31he takes his rest. Then, as you know, he attains truth most
- 2:35nearly and is least likely to be the sport of fantastic and lawless visions.
- 2:40I quite agree in saying this, I have been running into a digression.
- 2:46But the point which I desire to note is that in all of us,
- 2:50even in good men, there is a lawless, wild beast nature which peers
- 2:53out in sleep. Pray, consider whether I am right, and you agree
- 2:58with me? Yes, I agree. And now remember the character which we
- 3:04attributed to the democratic man. He was supposed, from his youth upwards to
- 3:08have been trained under a miserly parent, who encouraged the saving appetites in him,
- 3:14but discountenanced the unnecessary, which aim only at amusement and ornament. True,
- 3:21and then he got into the company of a more refined, licentious sort
- 3:24of people, and, taking to all their wanton ways, rushed into the
- 3:28opposite extreme from an abhorrence of his father's meanness, at last, being a
- 3:34better man than his corruptors, he was drawn in both directions until he halted
- 3:38midway and led a life not of vulgar and slavish passion, but of what
- 3:43he deemed moderate indulgence in various pleasures. After this manner, the democrat was
- 3:47generated out of the oligarch. Yes, he said, not was our view
- 3:52of him, and is so still. And now, I said, years
- 3:57will have passed away, and you must conceive this man such as he is.
- 4:00To have a son who is brought up in his father's principles, I
- 4:05can imagine him. Then you must further imagine the same thing to happen to
- 4:11the son which has already happened to the father. He is drawn into a
- 4:15perfectly lawless life, which by his seducers is termed perfect liberty, and his
- 4:19father and friends take part with his moderate desires, and the opposite party assist
- 4:25the opposite ones. As soon as these dire magicians and tyrant makers find that
- 4:30they are losing their hold on him, they contrive to implant in him a
- 4:33master passion to be lord over his idle and spendthrift lusts, a sort of
- 4:39monstrous wing drone. That is the only image which will adequately describe him.
- 4:45Yes, he said, that is the only adequate image of him. And
- 4:49when his other lusts amid clouds of incense and perfumes, and garlands and wines
- 4:56and all the pleasures of a dissolute life. Now let loose come buzz around
- 5:00him, nourishing to the utmost the sting of desire which they implant in his
- 5:04drone like nature. Then at last this lord of the soul, having madness
- 5:09for the captain of his guard, breaks out into a frenzy. And if
- 5:12he finds in himself any good opinions or appetites in process of formation, and
- 5:16there is in him any sense of shame remaining to these better principles, he
- 5:20puts an end and casts them forth, until he has purged away temperance and
- 5:25brought in madness to the full. Yes, he said, that is the
- 5:30way in which the tyrannical man is generated. And is not this the reason
- 5:34why of old love has been called a tyrant? I should not wonder further,
- 5:42I said, has not a drunken man also the spirit of a tyrant?
- 5:46He has? And you know that a man who is deranged and not
- 5:50right in his mind will fancy that he is able to rule not only over
- 5:55men, but also over the gods. That he will. And the tyrannical
- 6:01man, in the true sense of the word, comes into being when,
- 6:05either under the influence of nature or habit or both. He becomes drunken,
- 6:11lustful, passionate. O, my friend, is not that so? Assuredly?
- 6:17Such is the man, and such is his origin? And next,
- 6:21how does he live? Suppose, as people facetiously say, you were to
- 6:27tell me, I imagine I said, at the next step in his progress,
- 6:32that there will be feasts and carousals, and revelings and courtesans and all
- 6:36that sort of thing. Love is the lord of the house within him and
- 6:41orders all the concerns of his soul. That is certain. Yes, And
- 6:46every day and every night desires grow up many and formidable, and their demands
- 6:51are many. They are, indeed, he said, His revenues, if
- 6:58he has any, are soon spent. True, then comes debt and the
- 7:03cutting down of his property. Of course, when he has nothing left.
- 7:09Must not his desires crowding in the nest like young ravens be crying aloud for
- 7:14food. And he goaded on by them, and especially by Love himself,
- 7:18who is in a manner. The captain of them is in a frenzy,
- 7:21and would fain discover whom he can defraud or despoil of his property in order
- 7:27that he may gratify them. Yes, that is sure, to be the
- 7:30case. He must have money, no matter how, if he is to
- 7:35escape horrid pains and pangs, he must. And as in himself, there
- 7:43was a succession of pleasures, and the new got the better of the old
- 7:46and took away their rights. So he, being younger, will claim to
- 7:49have more than his father and his mother. And if he has spent his
- 7:53own share of the property, he will take a slice of theirs, No
- 7:57doubt he will. And if his parents will not give way, then he
- 8:01will try, first of all to cheat and deceive them, very true.
- 8:05And if he fails, then he will use force and plunder them. Yes,
- 8:09probably. And if the old man and woman fight for their own what,
- 8:13then, my friend, will the creature feel any compunction at tyrannizing over
- 8:18them? Nay, he said, I should not feel at all comfortable about
- 8:24his parents. But oh, heavens adeimantus, on account of some new fangled
- 8:28love of a harlot who is anything but a necessary connection. Can you believe
- 8:33that he would strike the mother, who is his ancient friend and necessary to
- 8:37his very existence, and would place her under the authority of the other when
- 8:41she is brought under the same roof with her, Or that under like circumstances,
- 8:46he would do the same to his withered old father first, and most
- 8:48indispensable of friends, for the sake of some newly found blooming youth, who
- 8:54is the reverse of indispensable. Yes, indeed, he said, I believe
- 9:00that he would. Truly, Then I said, a tyrannical son is a
- 9:05blessing to his father and mother. He is, indeed, he replied.
- 9:11He first takes their property, and when that fails and pleasures are beginning to
- 9:15swarm in the hive of his soul, then he breaks into a house or
- 9:18steals the garments of some knightly wayfarer. Next he proceeds to clear temple.
- 9:24Meanwhile, the old opinions which he had when a child, and which gave
- 9:28judgment about good and evil, are overthrown by those others which have just been
- 9:31emancipated, and are now the body guard of Love and share his empire.
- 9:37These, in his democratic days, when he was still subject to the laws
- 9:39and to his father, were only let loose in the dreams of sleep.
- 9:43But now that he is under the dominion of love, he becomes always and
- 9:48in waking reality what he was then very rarely and in a dream only he
- 9:52will commit the foulest murder, or eat forbidden food, or be guilty of
- 9:56any other horrid act. Love is his tyrant, and lives lordly in him
- 10:01and lawlessly, and being himself a king, leads him on as a tyrant
- 10:05leads a state to the performance of any reckless deed by which he can maintain
- 10:09himself and the rabble of his associates, whether those whom evil communicates have brought
- 10:13in from without, or those whom he himself has allowed to break loose within
- 10:18him by reason of a similar evil nature in himself, have we not here
- 10:22a picture of his way of life? Yes, indeed, he said.
- 10:28And if there are only a few of them in the state, and the
- 10:31rest of the people are well disposed, they go away and become the bodyguard
- 10:35or mercenary soldiers of some other tyrant, who may probably want them for a
- 10:39war. And if there is no war, they stay at home and do
- 10:41many little pieces of mischief in the city. What sort of mischief? For
- 10:48example, they are thieves, burglars, cut purses, foot pads, robbers
- 10:52of temples, man stealers of the community. Or if they are able to
- 10:56speak, they turn informers and bear false witnes and take bribes a small catalog
- 11:03of evils, even if the perpetrators of them are few in number, yes,
- 11:07I said, but small and great are comparative terms. And all these
- 11:13things, in the misery and evil which they inflict upon a state, do
- 11:16not come within a thousand miles of the tyrant. When this noxious class and
- 11:20their followers grow numerous and become conscious of their strength, assisted by the infatuation
- 11:24of the people, they choose from among themselves the one who has most of
- 11:28the tyrant in his own soul, and him they create their tyrant, yes,
- 11:33he said, and he will be the most fit to be a tyrant
- 11:37if the people yield well and good. But if they resist him, as
- 11:41he began by beating his own father and mother. So now if he has
- 11:45the power, he beats them and will keep his dear old fatherland or motherland.
- 11:48As the Cretans say in subjection to his young retainers, whom he has
- 11:52introduced to be their rulers and masters, this is the end of his passions
- 11:58and desires. Exactly when such men are only private individuals, and before they
- 12:03get power, this is their character. They associate entirely with their own flatterers
- 12:09or ready tools, or if they want anything from anybody, they in their
- 12:13turn are equally ready to bow down before them. They profess every sort of
- 12:16affection for them, but when they have gained their point, they know them
- 12:20no more. Yes, truly, they are always either the masters or servants,
- 12:26and never the friends of anybody. The tyrant never tastes of true freedom
- 12:28or friendship. Certainly not, and may not we rightly call such men treacherous,
- 12:37no question. Also they are utterly unjust. If we were right in
- 12:41our notion of justice, yes, he said, and we were perfectly right.
- 12:48Let us then sum up in a word, I said, the character
- 12:50of the worst man. He is the waking reality of what we dreamed most
- 12:56true. And this is he who, being by nature most of a timearrant,
- 13:00bears rule. And the longer he lives, the more of a tyrant
- 13:03he becomes. That is certain, said Glaucon, taking his turn to answer.
- 13:09And will not he who has been shown to be the wickedest be also
- 13:13the most miserable, And he who has tyrannized longest and most most continually and
- 13:18truly miserable, Although this may not be the opinion of men in general.
- 13:22Yes, he said, inevitably, And must not the tyrannical man be like
- 13:28the tyrannical state, and the democratical man like the democratical state, and the
- 13:33same of the others. Certainly, and as state is to state in virtue
- 13:37and happiness, so is man in relation to man. To be sure,
- 13:43then, comparing our original city, which was under a king, and the
- 13:48city which is under a tyrant, how do they stand as to virtue?
- 13:52They are the opposite extremes, he said, for one is the very best
- 13:56and the other is the very worst. There can be no mistake, I
- 14:01said, as to which is which. And therefore I will at once enquire
- 14:05whether you would arrive at a similar decision about their relative happiness and misery.
- 14:09And here we must not allow ourselves to be panic stricken at the apparition of
- 14:13the tyrant, who is only a unit, and may perhaps have a few
- 14:16retainers about him. But let us go, as we ought, into every
- 14:20corner of the city and look all about, and then we will give our
- 14:22opinion a fair invitation, he replied. And I see, as every one
- 14:28must, that a tyranny is the wretchedest form of government, and the rule
- 14:33of a king the happiest and in estimating the men too. May I not
- 14:37fairly make a like request that I should have a judge whose mind can enter
- 14:41into and see through human nature. He must not be like a child who
- 14:46looks at the outside and is dazzled at the pompous aspect which the tyrannical nature
- 14:50assumes to the beholder. But let him be one who has a clear insight.
- 14:54May I suppose that the judgment is given in the hearing of us all
- 14:58by one who is able to judge, and has dwelt in the same place
- 15:01with him, and been present at his daily life, and known him in
- 15:05his family relations, where he may be seen stripped of his tragedy attire.
- 15:09And again in the hour of public danger, he shall tell us about the
- 15:13happiness and misery of the tyrant when compared with other men. That, again,
- 15:18he said, is a very fair proposal. Shall I assume that we
- 15:22ourselves are able and experienced judges, and have before now met with such a
- 15:26person. We shall then have some one who will answer our enquiries by all
- 15:31means. Let me ask you not to forget the parallel of the individual and
- 15:35the state. Bearing this in mind and glancing in turn from one to the
- 15:39other of them, Will you tell me their respective conditions? What do you
- 15:43mean, he asked, beginning with the state, I replied, would you
- 15:48say that a city which is governed by a tyrant is free or enslaved?
- 15:52No city, he said, can be more completely enslaved. And yet,
- 15:56as you see, there are free men as well as masters in such a
- 16:00state, Yes, he said, I see that there are a few.
- 16:03But the people, speaking generally, and the best of them are miserably degraded
- 16:07and enslaved. Then if the man is like the state, I said,
- 16:12must not the same rule prevail. His soul is full of meanness and vulgarity,
- 16:17The best elements in him are enslaved, and there is a small ruling
- 16:19part which is also the worst and maddest. Inevitably, and would you say
- 16:26that the soul of such a one is the soul of a freeman or of
- 16:30a slave. He has the soul of a slave, in my opinion.
- 16:34And the state which is enslaved under a tyrant is utterly incapable of acting voluntarily,
- 16:41utterly incapable. And also the soul which is under a tyrant, I
- 16:45am speaking of the soul taken as a whole is least capable of doing what
- 16:48she desires. There is a gadfly which goads her, and she is full
- 16:52of trouble and remorse, certainly, And is the city which is under a
- 16:59tyrant rich or poor poor? And the tyrannical soul must be always poor and
- 17:06insatiable? True? And must not such a state and such a man be
- 17:11always full of fear? Yes, Indeed, is there any state in which
- 17:17you will find more of lamentation and sorrow and groaning and pain? Certainly not.
- 17:22And is there any man in whom you will find more of this sort
- 17:26of misery than in the tyrannical man, who is in a fury of passions
- 17:30and desires impossible. Reflecting upon these and similar evils, you held the tyrannical
- 17:37state to be the most miserable of states. And I was right, he
- 17:41said, certainly, I said, And when you see the same evils in
- 17:45the tyrannical man, what do you say of him? I say that he
- 17:51is by far the most miserable of all men. There, I said,
- 17:56I think that you are beginning to go wrong. What do you mean?
- 18:02I do not think that he has as yet reached the utmost extreme of misery.
- 18:07Then, who is more miserable one of whom I am about to speak?
- 18:14Who is that? He who is of a tyrannical nature, and,
- 18:18instead of leading a private life, has been cursed with the further misfortune of
- 18:22being a public tyrant. From what has been said, I gather that you
- 18:27are right, Yes, I replied, but in this high argument you should
- 18:33be a little more certain and should not conjecture only, for of all questions,
- 18:37this respecting good and evil is the greatest, very true, he said.
- 18:45End of Book nine, Part one,