Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #89: A local psychologist and her boyfriend churn out mental health diagnoses at $50 a pop in order to sell "emotional support animal" permissions.  In another scam, a Democrat congresswoman is accused of stealing $5 million from FEMA.   And the Morgan Geyser case raises serious questions about the quality of care she has been getting from state mental health officials.

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Mark Belling Podcast #89: A local psychologist and her boyfriend churn out mental health diagnoses at $50 a pop in order to sell "emotional support animal" permissions.  In another scam, a Democrat congresswoman is accused of stealing $5 million from FEMA.   And the Morgan Geyser case raises serious questions about the quality of care she has been getting from state mental health officials. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Virtually every government program is vulnerable to all sorts of scamming.
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  Speaker 2: interpreted to include virtually anything that anyone would ever claim
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  Speaker 2: things like this up, and whenever anyone tries to oppose it,
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  Speaker 2: they're attacked in the media and attacked by the supporters
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  Speaker 2: of the programmers saying you don't care about then whatever
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  Speaker 2: the program, whatever the problem is. I've got an excellent
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  Speaker 2: example of all of this to start today's podcast. It's
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  Speaker 2: the result of a very good investigation that Fox six
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  Speaker 2: has done, and I'm going to tee it up just
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  Speaker 2: I'll tee it up briefly. Here's something that I don't
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  Speaker 2: even have to get into the specifics. Everybody knows has
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  Speaker 2: been filled with scams on all sorts of different levels,
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  Speaker 2: emotional support animals. All you have to do is say
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  Speaker 2: those words, and everybody will have a scam in mind,
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  Speaker 2: and they're all going to be different because the whole
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  Speaker 2: concept is open to be scammed. Let's start with this.
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  Speaker 2: What is any emotional support animal? I don't know that
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  Speaker 2: anyone can define it. So when something isn't defined, that
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  Speaker 2: means any animal I guess can be an emotional support animal.
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  Speaker 2: The maintime. Think about this. Now, let's think about well,
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  Speaker 2: we have to come up with some criteria to make
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  Speaker 2: something an emotional support animal those of you that are
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  Speaker 2: not minded like a scammer, but well, that sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a good thing. You have to put yourself in the
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  Speaker 2: other guy's shoes and turn yourself into a scammer. Paul,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think is any good at that because Paul
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  Speaker 2: can you? You can't? You just you know there you are,
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  Speaker 2: you on these storage lockers. I'm guessing you could scam
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  Speaker 2: that thing like crazy out there, but you're just too
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  Speaker 2: honest of a guy. Is that is that your thing?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing I could just, off the top
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  Speaker 2: of my head come of nine million different ways to
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  Speaker 2: scam that thing, you know, set up some extra fee
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  Speaker 2: for insurance, and then not pay any insurance company, just pocketed,
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  Speaker 2: figuring that nobody's ever going to bust in, and just
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  Speaker 2: Sis a big investigation. Brian Pulsin's their investigative reporter. You
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  Speaker 2: can find all of it on their website, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna sure you pick out some details because I want
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  Speaker 2: to focus on several elements of the story that are
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  Speaker 2: interesting to me. Back in twenty thirteen, you have to
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  Speaker 2: follow the timelines of this who was the president in
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, Obama, They were doing all of this good
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  Speaker 2: do good or stuff. They issued a rule during the
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  Speaker 2: Obama administration that even if say an apartment building, a
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  Speaker 2: facility like that is no pets allowed, an exception is
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  Speaker 2: made for emotional support animals for people who need them.
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  Speaker 2: And again you could see why people would bite that
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  Speaker 2: this would be a good idea, Well what about people
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  Speaker 2: who really need And the first thing that anybody ever
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  Speaker 2: thinks of is you know a seeing eye dog, Well
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  Speaker 2: they need that. How can you make somebody live in
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  Speaker 2: an apartment and they can't have their guide dog. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: instantly this program got scammed and everybody under the sun
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  Speaker 2: said this is my emotional support animal. And the next
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  Speaker 2: thing you know, all of these no pets allowed facilities
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  Speaker 2: are swimming with pets and geese and dogs and everything
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  Speaker 2: else that people would claim. So now let's get to
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Follow your timelines. Who's the president in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty Trump? So they decide to tighten this up and
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  Speaker 2: they require that you have to be certified as someone
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  Speaker 2: who needs any emotional support animal. They wrote that in
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  Speaker 2: and within that language is you needed to have the
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  Speaker 2: approval of a trained professional to certify that you needed that.
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  Speaker 2: That's what was written in and again that's a good
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  Speaker 2: thing to write in, but it's also an opportunity. And
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  Speaker 2: this is where a guy like you, you just can't imagine
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  Speaker 2: how that would be an opportunity. You would think that, well,
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  Speaker 2: we've tightened things up, whereas somebody else is seeing the
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  Speaker 2: dollar signs roll through, which brings us to the Fox
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  Speaker 2: six report. There are businesses all over the country that
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  Speaker 2: will send you a certification that you need an emotional
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  Speaker 2: support animal. The Internet has allowed these kinds of businesses
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  Speaker 2: to flourish. Now, imagine before we're in the Internet age,
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  Speaker 2: go back to say, nineteen ninety five, before there really
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  Speaker 2: was an internet. If you were going to offer up
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  Speaker 2: that type of business, how does anybody even know that
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  Speaker 2: you exist? How do you put yourself in front of
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  Speaker 2: the eyeballs of all of the people who want to
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  Speaker 2: be able to have an emotional support animal. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to do. But now the Internet is out there. You
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  Speaker 2: put up a website, you're found in a search engine,
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  Speaker 2: and a number of these places set up shop. Some
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  Speaker 2: are more legitimate than others. Now, let me move to
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  Speaker 2: a side topic before we get back. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things that I admit I wasn't aware of, and probably
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  Speaker 2: many of you are not aware of, is that the
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  Speaker 2: whole field right now of counseling is moving online. I
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  Speaker 2: found this out through a personal contact. I know someone
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  Speaker 2: who I knew some well. I dated someone who was
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  Speaker 2: a therapist a couple of years ago in Florida. She
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  Speaker 2: was legitimate. About half of her client tell It started
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  Speaker 2: during COVID and it just continued. They do a zoom
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  Speaker 2: or Skype or any of the other services FaceTime or
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is, and a lot of clients prefer it
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  Speaker 2: that they prefer to talk to the counselor while they're
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  Speaker 2: in their own home the counselor's in her office or
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  Speaker 2: wherever it is. And this is just growing and I
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  Speaker 2: can't see any reason why it's a bad idea. But
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  Speaker 2: it's a side part of this. But it's going to
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  Speaker 2: relate to the discussion that we have with regard to
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  Speaker 2: the emotional support animals. So the story that Fox six
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  Speaker 2: does is about a guy who's got a business in
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  Speaker 2: elm Grove and his business is to provide letters that
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  Speaker 2: indicate that this person requires an emotional support animal. That's
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  Speaker 2: his business. Now you would think in order to get
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  Speaker 2: into that business you'd have to be qualified. Well, this
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  Speaker 2: is why you and I need to be better scammers,
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  Speaker 2: because you and I could set up this business. He's
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  Speaker 2: got the business in Elmgrove and he puts up a
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  Speaker 2: website saying that he can provide you with a letter
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  Speaker 2: indicating that you are in need of an emotional support animal. Now,
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  Speaker 2: remember I said that under the law as redrawn by
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  Speaker 2: Trump in twenty twenty. You had to show, you had
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  Speaker 2: to show proof from a qualified and trained expert that
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  Speaker 2: you need this. Now this guy just has his website.
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  Speaker 2: I've been able to dig up a fair amount of
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  Speaker 2: information about the guy as well. His name is Sas Sass,
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  Speaker 2: and as it turns out, Sas his first name is Chris.
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  Speaker 2: Came to the attention of Fox six because a guy
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  Speaker 2: in Florida who's been doing the same thing, but he
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  Speaker 2: contends qualified professionally. In other words, he'll do evaluations on
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  Speaker 2: a professional in thorough nature. And he's apparently been disgusted.
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  Speaker 2: But all of these competitors that are setting up who
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  Speaker 2: don't do any evaluation at all. So my guess is
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  Speaker 2: that that's how because they interview this guy, how he
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  Speaker 2: grew who the Umgrove business to the attention of Fox sex.
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  Speaker 2: My guess is this guy's cherry picking over the internet.
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  Speaker 2: And if there's somebody, say in Louisville, kentucky'll contact an
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter in Louisville and so on. Anyway, here's the guy,
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  Speaker 2: Chris says. I ran his LinkedIn nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: psychology at all. He's working as a residential placement expert
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  Speaker 2: for an apartment complex that I think deals with senior citizens.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Newcastle Place. Some of you may know about that,
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  Speaker 2: but that on his LinkedIn he says he's a residential
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  Speaker 2: specialist at Newcastle. Before that, he worked in retail. He
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  Speaker 2: was at Bontan stores for a while and so on,
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  Speaker 2: And in twenty seventeen he opened up this business titled
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  Speaker 2: Touch Emotional Support Animal Assistance. Touch Emotional Support Animal Assistance,
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  Speaker 2: and the Fox Sex Reporter goes to the website and
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  Speaker 2: what you see is there's like a questionnaire. It's one
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  Speaker 2: of these questionnaires that you have to be. You are
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  Speaker 2: hopeless if you can't fill it out and get the
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  Speaker 2: emotional support animal it will ask. It's a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: questions that are ABC and D and A is always
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  Speaker 2: the answer that would indicate that you need in emotionals
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  Speaker 2: and it's quite answer apparently, questions like do you feel lonely,
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  Speaker 2: do you feel stressed out? Are you more comfortable with
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  Speaker 2: you when you're with it, et cetera. That's all it is.
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  Speaker 2: You fill it out online. On his website himself, he says,
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  Speaker 2: over ninety nine percent of our applicants are successful. He's
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  Speaker 2: advertising essentially that no matter what you do, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to give you the certification. Now, remember, go back to
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  Speaker 2: what I said was put in during Trump and twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 2: What did I say was put into the law during
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  Speaker 2: Trump and twenty twenty? How can you possibly have forgotten this?
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  Speaker 2: This was seventy five seconds ago. Why it was not
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  Speaker 2: more than that you needed to have the approval of
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  Speaker 2: someone who has trained. So here's how it works. You
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  Speaker 2: fill out the application, and according to the Fox six guy,
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  Speaker 2: in fifteen minutes, the thing comes back and it's a letter,
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  Speaker 2: and it's got your name out it and says we've
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  Speaker 2: determined that so and so is in need of an
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  Speaker 2: emotional support animal. It goes out and on, and they
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  Speaker 2: have a sample letter here. The guy from Florida, who
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  Speaker 2: I said is trying to whistle blow on this, he applied,
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  Speaker 2: and he said when he applied, he put in the
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  Speaker 2: most ridiculous responses you could imagine, just to see whether
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  Speaker 2: or not you could put in ridiculous responses and still
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  Speaker 2: get the certification. And he did, and he provided the
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  Speaker 2: letter to Fox six, and Fox six has it on
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  Speaker 2: its website. So here's a guy who is I'm no
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  Speaker 2: need at all of an emotional sport animal. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I did this training myself. I just filled out a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of crap to see what would happen, and he
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  Speaker 2: said right away, I got it back. And it comes
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  Speaker 2: back from here's the key to the story, a licensed
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  Speaker 2: psychologist in Wisconsin. Remember this guy, Chris Sass owns the company.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a license to anything. But the letter comes
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  Speaker 2: back from a psychologist her and she identifies herself as
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  Speaker 2: a clinical psychologist, and she's got her license at her
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  Speaker 2: letter head. Her name is Laurie Gebhard. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: read the letter that she wrote and wrote and sent
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  Speaker 2: to the guy from Florida who's whistleblowing, to whom I
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  Speaker 2: make it certain. I have evaluated Chas Stevens. That's a whistleblower,
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  Speaker 2: and his response is to the psychosocial and behavior self assessment,
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  Speaker 2: and I find that Chazz meets the clinical criteria for
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  Speaker 2: a mental or emotional disability recognized in the Diagnostic and
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  Speaker 2: Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. So she's saying she's diagnosed
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  Speaker 2: him based on his response, and he has a disorder.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if any disorder at all. I put this
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  Speaker 2: put in crap in the online thing. Due to this
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  Speaker 2: emotional and mental disability, Chazz has certain limitations related to
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  Speaker 2: social interactions, coping with stress and anxiety, and engaging in
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  Speaker 2: activities of daily living, which are indicative of functional impairments
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  Speaker 2: caused by Chaz's emotional mental disability. No, you may be
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  Speaker 2: wondering how she could crank this out in fifteen minutes.
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  Speaker 2: If you think like a scammer, you know how she
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  Speaker 2: can crank this out in fifteen minutes. If you're some
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  Speaker 2: goof like Paul who can't think like a scammer, you
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  Speaker 2: would have no idea how she could crank this out
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  Speaker 2: and fill this back with his thing and all of
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  Speaker 2: that in fifteen minutes. No, not Ai. She sends the
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  Speaker 2: same letter to everybody who applies. All she has to
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  Speaker 2: do is punch in the name and then they kick
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  Speaker 2: it back. So there's not what's what what do you
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  Speaker 2: call that thing? No, yeah, but there's a term for something.
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  Speaker 2: She's got a template and all she does is she
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  Speaker 2: drops the name into the template. And we know this
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  Speaker 2: because numerous somebody else applied and they got all of
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  Speaker 2: these letters. So she goes on and she cites all
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  Speaker 2: these things that she's diagnosed, and she's a psychologist. So
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  Speaker 2: let's start with this. There's way more to the story
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  Speaker 2: than I'll get into it in a month. Let's start
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  Speaker 2: with this. So even when you build in this protection,
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  Speaker 2: well you have to be diagnosed by a counselor. It's
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  Speaker 2: the same thing that led you all of the opioid dependency.
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  Speaker 2: I've told the story a few times. Most people believe
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  Speaker 2: that it started in Kentucky because Kentucky was just the
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  Speaker 2: hotbed of it, where these pain clinics would open in
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  Speaker 2: trailers in the middle of the woods. There was always
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  Speaker 2: somebody who was a doctor and usually a nurse that
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  Speaker 2: was running him. I'll give you another area where you
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  Speaker 2: can get somebody who claims, say, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: it a clinic? Is? All it is is a quack
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  Speaker 2: gynecologist who couldn't get any legitimate work doing regular gynecology,
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  Speaker 2: who decides to go on into abortions. Well, I couldn't
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: actually get any money delivering babies, so I decided to
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  Speaker 2: kill him. Some doctor who and by the way, to prescribe,
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  Speaker 2: prescribe medication, you don't even generally have to be somebody
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  Speaker 2: who's certified in a particular field. So these clinics would
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  Speaker 2: open up and everybody who said that they had pain
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  Speaker 2: were getting the opioids, and they we're getting a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them, and a lot of them, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: The word would spread word amouth, and the next thing
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  Speaker 2: you know, this is spreading all over the country. So
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  Speaker 2: just the notion that there's going to be an expert
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  Speaker 2: that's going to do something, it may be a protection,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not a protection if the expert is willing
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  Speaker 2: to say whatever the client wants. Now, let's start with this.
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  Speaker 2: We do know that there are online pharmacies and you
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  Speaker 2: see them advertised on TV in which you can get
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  Speaker 2: like the sex pills and all of it. And they
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  Speaker 2: always say that they do a consultation. Now I've never
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  Speaker 2: applied for one of these, but some of them they
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  Speaker 2: may have an actual consultation in which you do talk
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  Speaker 2: over the phone or FaceTime with a doctor and say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I have this sexual problem, this, that and the other thing. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that's much of a diagnosis because
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  Speaker 2: anybody can lie, but it's a way of doing it.
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  Speaker 2: In this instance, according to the Fox six report, this
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  Speaker 2: psychologist who's sending the letters out for Chris Sass's company.
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  Speaker 2: Her name is Lori Gebbard. Isn't doing any actual discussion
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  Speaker 2: at all. All she's doing is looking at the questionnaire.
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  Speaker 2: And the questionnaire, as I say, is what according to
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  Speaker 2: the guy in Florida, you can fill out any answer
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  Speaker 2: that you want because they're rubber stamping and approving everybody.
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  Speaker 2: So Fox six goes and talks to the guy that
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  Speaker 2: runs the thing, Chris Sas I remember he runs it,
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  Speaker 2: and the psychologist he's using his Lori Gebbart, and she said,
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  Speaker 2: do you approve over ninety eight They ask do you
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  Speaker 2: prove prove everybody that'll play? Oh no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: but your thing says over ninety nine percent. Then he
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  Speaker 2: asks him the law that was the amended rule that
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  Speaker 2: was put up at the Trump administation in twenty twenty says,
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  Speaker 2: there has to be an expert and the expert has
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  Speaker 2: to have a relationship with the patient. That's the term.
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  Speaker 2: And again we put that in as a safeguard. You
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  Speaker 2: have to have a relationship with the patient. So Brian
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  Speaker 2: will see a five to six. Ask this guy says, well,
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  Speaker 2: this filling out a questionnaire, does that mean a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a relationship. That is a relationship. He
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  Speaker 2: filled out the thing and she read it. That's a relationship.
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  Speaker 2: Now some of you may be wondering why, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: the fee is fifty bucks. That's another tip off here
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  Speaker 2: that you're not getting any kind of in depth psych
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  Speaker 2: Imagine being able to be diagnosed as having an emotion
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  Speaker 2: and mental disability for fifty bucks. You know, there was
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  Speaker 2: a time in our world before victimization became a cash register,
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  Speaker 2: that most people would not want to be diagnosed as
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  Speaker 2: having a mental or an emotional disability. But now there's
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of money in it. Fifty bucks is all
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  Speaker 2: it takes for somebody to diagnose somebody from out of
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  Speaker 2: state as having an emotional disability, and of course that
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  Speaker 2: emotionally mental disability means that they get to have a
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  Speaker 2: dog and then can live wherever it is that they
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  Speaker 2: want to live, including the no pencil out. There's a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: million other versions of the scamming of the emotional support animal,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: get them on a plane and all this. We're just
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: focusing on the one here. And again it all starts
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: because of a government program aimed at addressing people who
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: have actual need, but it becomes an opportunity for people
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to make a buck by providing the certification that you
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: have that need. And the way that you can make
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of bucks is you approve everybody's application. Now, honest,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: well meaning person goes and sees their doctor, and their
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: doctor refers him to a psychologist or a psychiatrist, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you go through in depth analysis what your problems are.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Can it be treated by meds? Can you do it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: through talk therapy? Can you come up with better's coping skills?
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And so on? And maybe it's so desperate, idiot an animal.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: That's a legitimate way of pursuing this, But that's a
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: lot of time for the professional to be involved, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: so on. This guy wants to if people want to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: be able to go to churn churn, churn, churn, churn.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Now you may wonder what's in it? Remember doctor here,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: this psychologist, Lori Gebbard, she's not listed as the owner
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of the place. Chris sass is what's in it for her?
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: This gets really good. Now again the naive among you
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: who do not think like scammers, that's you again. Well, well,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: but again it's only fifty bucks and she doesn't own
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the company. Who do you think Chris Sass's girlfriend is
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Laurie Gebhart. The faxics reporter must have found this out,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: or maybe he ran a background check because he found
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: that Laurie Gebhart's office has the same address as the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Elmgrove business that Chris Sass is running. This sending out
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the certification thing. So Sas sets up the company to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: churn out the form letters and his girlfriend simply writes
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the form letter. Does she actually read the questionnaire? Maybe
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: she's Somebody has to read something to pull the person's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: name off of it and send it back. Somebody does
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the processing of the fifty dollars over the credit card,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and voila, you send it out. Oh there's more in here.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I ran the backgrounds of both of them. Men as
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: they say, this guy Chris Sass, he's working at what's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: is it? East Castle? Which no, what did I say
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: a minute ago that he it's a residential specialist. That's
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: somewhere I want to get that here. Newcastle. He's a
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Newcastle that's his day job. This is a side gig,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and I'm guessing he doesn't have to spend a lot
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: of time at it because the thing, you know, once
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: people hit the website, they fill out the thing, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the psychologist kicks the thing back in fifteen minutes. It's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a pretty fast way to make a buck the thing.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: The only thing working against him is apparently there's zillions
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of companies on the internet that are doing the same thing,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: which is why you've got so many people that are
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: living in no Pets Allowed buildings claiming you got to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: allow my pet because I have the emotional support thing,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: because it only costs you fifty bucks to get it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: If you're able to find somebody that's got some credential
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: after their name, they'll fill this out because that person
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: clearly doesn't do any kind of actual evaluation. I find
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: out that Chris Sass recently got his third offense OWI,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: so apparently maybe he needs to have an emotional support
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: animals so he stops drinking and driving. As for this
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Lori Gebert, she's been around for a while. Are they
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: splitting the fifty bucks or are they're in a romantic relationship.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: It all goes into the same pocket. I don't know
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: what I do suggest, however, is Wisconsin we have a
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: board that reviews the credential of professionals. There is one
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: for psychiatrists. This woman's a psychologist. There is a board
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that oversees psychologists in the state of Wisconsin, and I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: mentioned that the guy from Florida, the whistleblower on this
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: who's trying to clean up this field that he's in,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he said a complaint to the state Board of Psychologists
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: about the behavior of Lori Gebhart, this psychologist. I would hope.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: See the problem with a lot of these boards that
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: oversee these is they don't do any regulating whatsoever. Hardly
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: anybody loses their license for anything in the state of Wisconsin.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Is this quackery. It depends on how you define quackery. Now,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: let's imagine I was going through here's something impossible to imagine.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Imagine I was having mental health issues. I know, you
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: just could never imagine that somebody is sane and calm
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and clear thinking as me could have mental health issues.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: But imagine I did. Imagine I was stressed over any
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: number of things. It's an important field. The idea that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I could get any kind of help for anything by
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: filling out some stupid questionnaire and have something cranked back
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: at fifteen minutes is absurd. There's no diagnosis going on here.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It's somebody that's using their name to crank something out
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: so that people can scam the law and bring a
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: dog somewhere or a chicken or whatever the emotional support
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: animal is that otherwise would not be allowed. So we'll
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: see whether or not they do anything to Lori Gebhart's license.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: You're gonna rationalize anything. How could a PhD? You know, well,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I want to make my boyfriend happy, so I'll crank
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: these things out. Or it's an easy way to make
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: money because I don't have an otherwise enough business. Or
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: everybody would benefit from anilet's like, probably lots of people
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: would benefit from an animal, But in many cases it's
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: not because they have a mental instability. It's just that
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: animals make you feel better. There is a difference. This
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: whole notion was creating for the purposes of people that
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: are so stressed out and so much anxiety that they
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: can't get through life. Now, I admit, and we're going
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: to do a podcast, I hope later in the week
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in which I'm going to address a little bit of this.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: We have way more anxiety and stress than we've ever had.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: We are filled with people in our world who can't
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: cope with any I mean, you just watch these cop
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: videos on YouTube. Every female that's pulled over says I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: have stressed anxiety, every single one of them. I have
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: stress and anxiety. I can't give it a diferences. He
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: can't go I am stressed in anxiety. I have stressed anxiety.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Do we have an increase in stress and anxiety or
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: do we merely have a bunch of people that are
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: such sissies that they crank out stress and anxiety every
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: time that they're in a stressful situation. Stress is something
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that hits everyone. They're stressful situations, you feel anxious. But
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: when it becomes a disorder, are there people who simply
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: can't cope or it just becomes a crutch for a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: bunch of sissies and babies who can't walk their way
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: through lives. My own belief is that there is an
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: increase in stress and anxiety, and I think that it
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: comes from all these pills we start giving children at
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a young age, and that's going to be a segment
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that I hope to do later out of the week.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: But whether I'm right about that or wrong about it,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: we start with the problem and you end up with
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people putting little wraps around their animals
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and claiming that their emotion of one of the animal
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: isn't anything. By the way, the animal's never been trained
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to do any of this stuff. But most of all,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: it's a way for the property rights and the business
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: rights and businesses the same. You can't have an animal
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: in here to have to exempt it because there's people
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that are running around with all of these certifications that
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: they're getting. What this reminds me of is it reminds
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you a lot of things. All these people that perform
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: marriage is because they get a license to be a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: minister from some online thing. They're not a minister the
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Church of the Universe, so so forth and so on,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: and you can perform a marriage. Now, I don't think
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you need to have a credential to perform a marriage,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: because we've gone past this idea that the person who's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: ma marrior of the judge, municipal judge, or the priest
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: or the rabbi, the person that's performing the marriage is
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: counseling and somebody go, Okay, fine, we want to get married.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Do you need to have to go through someone to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: get in order to get married? Probably not, But we
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: still require that somebody has got a license in order
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: to do so, they go and apply for it. The
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: difference here is this woman actually is a PhD. And
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: we did put in the sing of the law that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to have to be an expert and that
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: there has to be a relationship between them. But the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: fact that you put that in there isn't going to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: stop some people like this goofy guy say yes and
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend from churning these things out on the internet. Anyway.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I'm always ripping on the media this is and put
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: out that. There's just a million stories the media could
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: do and you never see him do it. And this
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: is one of them. And it's a good one that
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: they They probably fell on the laft, They probably got
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a tip off on it. But many of the things
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I get as a tip as well. And there's this
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: guy in Florida who was actually probably deeply diagnosing people
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and was like an innovator and using emotional support animentals
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: for the handful of people that need it. And now
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: he sees all these people ripping it off and just
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: going on online and saying this, that and the other thing.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: It's there's a million things that all the states that
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: have legalized medical marijuana, there's always a doctor that's gonna
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: say you medical marijuana would benefit you in that's a
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: one minute consultation or online and the whole thing. So
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: whenever you say that you need a certification for something,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: there's never going to be a shortage of dishonest people
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: who will go into that field and not do an
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: honest evaluation but crank him out like crazy. I said,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: uh a couple of years ago. Data. She wasn't a psychologist,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: she was a psychotherapist. And what they've talked about is
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: just the number of people who go into these fields,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: including with credential beyond hers, that are not they're not
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: in it to help people. They're just in it to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: make a buck, and they do this kind of sham operation.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Or it's the same thing that will happen when say
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: somebody's involved in a maybe an automobile accident, that there
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: are certain people in the medical fields who'll just write
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a letter claiming that you were all banged up. They
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: won't even do an X ray or something or another,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: whereas most legitimate medical professionals they're actually going to diagnose
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: you and try to determine whether or not you've got
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: a problem off of it or not. He keeps he's
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: trying to now turn a soprano's into everything Doctor Melphie
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and Tony Soprano. I don't know if you would have
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: liked liked the zoom calls. That's a little I mentioned.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: There's a yet another documentary. It's really good that I found.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I watched part one on the planet. I watched part two.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I can't remember the name. It's David Chase and the sopranos.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I found what it's on. It's on HBO Max, which
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: is a streaming service. So if you don't have HBO Max,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think that you can see it. But then
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I saw segment one was just about the first season,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: and the segment two was all their amanders of the
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: season and they got into the relationship with the doctor
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: milfied and it was, you know, the conclusion of courses
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: is like everybody else, he had mother issues and that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that's what she represented. Anyway, that story, let me turn
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: my attention now two talking in my mind, this is
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: related to scammers. It's a stretch. So I'll simply present
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the story right now. If you're a Democrat in this country.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Your primary qualification for acceptance, it's to simplay bash ice.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's the ultimate unifier in that part. Find a lefty
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: in this country and the ripping ice. They've got the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: signs up everywhere. It's the one issue in which they're
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: just blombing on to his ice. And here's the thing,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it doesn't even matter if you're telling the truth about ice.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: All you have to do is indicate you're on the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: right side. Remember Rico Camacho. Rico Camacho is the Wauka
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Shaw alderman who was also a school teacher at Catholic
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Memorial who made an online post that there was an
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: ice operation going on in downtown Waukeshaw. There wasn't. The
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: guy was so irresponsible and so abused his role as
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a public official. I initially thought, well, he saw a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: bunch of people running around in uniforms and being an
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: idiot that he assumed it was ice. It was even
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: worse than that. Somebody else saw it and told him
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and he posted this. Well, he lost his job at
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Waukashaw Catholic Memorial in part because they haven't said why,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: but clearly it's a violation of their social media policy
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to go online and post things that aren't true, so
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: you would think that beyond that that this would damage him.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: You don't understand leftist politics. Comacho is trying to milk this,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: In other words, milk his lie. Rico Camacho has just
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: declared his candidacy for the state Legislature, which is a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: way better job than Waukashaw Alderman. The city of Waka
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Shaw itself is the one part of Waka Shaw in
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: which the Democrats think they have a chance to win
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a legislative seat. There are a couple of districts that
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: overlap Brookfield and Wawatasa, they can win those, but this
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is a standalone district. But it's right in the center
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of the city of Waukashaw, which has a large Latino
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: area working class and so it's Republican, but it's not
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: as overwhelmingly Republican as say Menominee Falls or Economy Walk
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and Wales and areas like that are. It's the seat
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that is represented by Scott Allen. Scott Allen is running
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: for mayor of Waukashaw, so there's going to be an
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: open seat there. Rico Camacho was running for the State Assembly,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: so here's a guy in his whole advertisement in which
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the whole message is gonna say, if there are other
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Democrats that run for the seat is I'm so against
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Ice and I was willing to go on social media
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and lie about Ice. From the perspective of the Democrats,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing. You see their whole m O
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Russia collusion and everything else. They aren't shamed by the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: fact that they're making this stuff up. If anything, they
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: want to praise the person. You had the guts to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: lie to try to bring down Trump, never mind messing
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: around with the truth. You took a risk by lying.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And now the Morgan Geyser story, I think the point
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: has been missed. She's one of the two slender Man
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: stabbers and the one who is treated more seriously. Morgan
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Geyser has been in a Wisconsin state institution for about
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: ten years. Ever since a little longer than that, Ever since,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: she and a friend developed in their goofed up heads
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that slender Man, a fictional character, was real, and they
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: came up with this idea that slender Man wanted them
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: to stab to death one of their fellow another girl
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: who went to school with them. They were both tried
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: as adults, which was a good thing because if they
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: weren't tried as adults, we can only rat slap their wrist.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And they were both sentenced to time in a mental institution.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Geyser since turned eighteen, turned twenty one, so on, and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: she has continued to petition for her release, and they're
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: obviously are concerns that she's not well yet because she
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: was the and I deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, denied.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Finally Wakshaw County Circuit Judge Scott Wagner, who is in
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a brief time on the bench. He only got out
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of the bench earlier this year. He ran for election
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: unopposed and had the support of Conservatives. He's advertising himself
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: as potentially a disaster now again. When he screwed up
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a case a few weeks ago, I said it may
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: be too early to make a firm decision. Anybody can
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: screw one or two things up. But it was Scott
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Wagner who greenlighted the release plan for Morgan Geyser. As
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you may have learned, she busted out. She's since been caught,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: but she busted out of the treatment facility that she
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: was at she's on electronic monitoring, and she cut the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: bracelet off, disappeared. They found her in Illinois. There are
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: zillions of questions that come here. First of all, her
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: treatment center was initially never disclosed because it was sealed
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in the court order. The family of the girl, no
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: young woman that was stabbed, adamantly opposed the release allowing
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: guiys that to have be released anywhere near in Wakeshaw. Obviously,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they're concerned that she's going to try to do it again,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: if she's still somebody who thinks slender Man is real
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and so odd. So they sent her to a treatment facility.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It's a glorified halfway house in Madison. She walked away
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: from the facility the tail end of last week cut
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: off the bracelet. According to news reports, it took ten
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: hours before the facility notified the authorities. Now, let's start
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: with this. Did Wagner issue an order on this release
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: plan that would mandate that if she walked away or
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: cut the bracelet, there has to be immediate notification. People
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: always go out of this saying, well, they're on a bracelet,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: throw on a break thrown a bracelet. It's such a
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: false sense of security. Off of it. Who's monitoring the bracelet?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: So imagine I put Paul on the bracelet. What good
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: is that going to do? If I'm not chee, if
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I don't have something that buzzes the instant he cuts
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: off of his bracelet. Geyser was eventually apprehended in Illinois.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: The question now will be whether or not they revoke
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: her release. I think they better. Now you have a
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: situation here of somebody when they were a child treated
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: as adult, but a child did something completely delusional, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: your no shit is that they're going to grow out
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: of it. But you come up with a plan here
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: in which she finally gets her freedom, and she's only
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: been out for a few months, and they set up
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think very restrictive rules. I mean you could say, well,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: having to wear a bracelet and having to stay near
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: your facility and so on is pretty restrictive, except she
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: was in an institution. For her, this is out and
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: not freedom. According to the reports on the case, she
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: connected with an adult it's unclear if it's a male
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: or a female, and apparently wanted to run off with
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that adult and left the state. As I say, she
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: was apprehended in Illinois. But there are other parts of
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: this story. In news reports earlier this year, it was
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: reported that Geyser now considers herself to be a he.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Apparently she's moved back to a she because the references
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: now arta she again, she's one of those names Morgan,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So it could be either way. But she's got her
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: hair cut short, and she certainly would appear as somebody
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: that could pass either as a male or a female,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: which begs this question that nobody ever answered, nobody ever asked,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: but I'm asking it. What kind of help did she
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: get in the Wisconsin Mental Health Institution? How is it
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: that they had her all these years and she's still
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: not right? Or is it that you got a bunch
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of lefty shrinks that work these places and instead of
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: talking people out of their delusions, reinforce them, including gender.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: The whole problem with gender as we used to when
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: somebody I'm just I've decided I'm a man, is you
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: tell no, you're not. If you're a man, you'd have
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a gladingis down there you don't, or vice versa. Instead
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: we reinforce this. What kind of treatment was she getting?
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: What she told? There is no slender man conformed grow
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: up and become a productive member of society, or where
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: all of her weirdnesses and eccentricities reinforced. In other words,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: she's not getting any help at all. From the perspective
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: of the public, we have a right to be protected
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: from somebody who might stab you to death thinking that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you're thinking that slender Man wants you to do it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: And her inability to conform to the most basic thing,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: keep the bracelet on, don't leave the state, stay near
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: your facility. Wouldn't a kid. She's not gonna follow any
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: other rules either. My indictment is of the Winnebago Mental
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Health Institute, which is the big state facility in Oshkosh
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that oversaw her treatment. It seems to me that she's
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: just as screwed up as she was when she thought
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that slender Man wanted her to kill a classmate. So
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: what have they done for her? I don't know. Maybe
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the UH mail Order Emotional Supports psychologist is on the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: payroll out there. Maybe she's the one in charge of
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the treatment. Maybe she's sent to Chris Sassi's thing and
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: for fifty dollars to see center order things, saying she
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: can be released and go out to society. It's semi related.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: But one of the points that I've made with regard
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to you, I'm always skeptical when judges rule that somebody
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: is not guilty of a crime because of mental defect.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Now in Wisconsin, that doesn't mean that they walk free.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: They are instead sentenced to a mental is the sentence
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to what's called mental I don't have the term in
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: front of me. I don't think it's confinement rather than prison.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: The problem is is that what they are sentenced to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: often does not mean institutionalization. I think control, whatever the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: word is. The shrinks involved in this, they have a
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: vested interest in being able to pat themselves in the
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: back and say that they fix someone. So nine months
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: after the person did something heinous, they're out on the street.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Be Oh, they're not dangerous anymore. They're popping their anti
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: crazy pills. Don't worry about them. You'll see these news there.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: The only question is whether or not he will spend
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the rest of his life in prison or on a
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: metal facility. That's not the question. Just because you're confined.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I think confinement is the term, but confined does it
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: mean locked up? Confinement can mean living home or living
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in an outpatient facility, so forth and so on. There's
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: not any type of scrutiny into the decisions that are
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: made by people who work in government in mental health evaluation.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And as I say, with regard to the whole areas
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of psychology and psychiatry, people make the mistake of condemning
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the field altogether. It's the same as that. It's the
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: same as talk show hosts. There are good ones and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: bad ones. It's the same as podcasters. There are a
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: few good ones like me, and a bunch of terrible ones.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: There are quarterbacks. There's some very good quarterbacks, and then
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: there's j. J. McCarthy. By the way, I called that
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: he is the worst quarterback in the NFL. The Vike.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: What the Vikings have done is commit the terrible mistake
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of rationalizing their number one pick. He realized they got
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: rid of two very good quarterbacks in order to make
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: way for him, Sam Darnold and before that Kirk Cousins.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And that's simply well, we don't want to admit that
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: we botched the pick. Packers have botch picks. Who is
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the not Jordan Morgan, the other offensive lineman first round
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: pick that was a bus three or four years ago.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Wasn't Morgan, it was the guy before that. Anyway, he
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: never started, He's gone. They didn't put him out there
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: and have the team suffer in his in his inability
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: to play. If you can't earn your way out of
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: the playing field, you just acknowledge that you made a mistake,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: but you don't compound the mistake by throwing the guy
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: out there. Well, I don't know the these people made
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Tony man Tony Maners played twelve years in the NFL.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: He just wasn't a first round pick. I'm talking about
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: guys who shouldn't even play. Tony man Rich also spent
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: very little time with the Packers. He was he's been
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: like six seven years. I think with the Lions that
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: those aren't even close. I'm trying to think of. I mean,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: he was so forgettable. I think the guy played at Mississippi.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe offensive line picked number one like four years ago. Yeah, anyway,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you see it in the NBA as well. Johnny Davis
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin was picked by the Wizards. He's in the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: G League. Now. You can't hang on to these players
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: simply because you're drafted the number one. If you can,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: if it turns out that you made a terrible mistake,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: that the guy isn't working at his craft or he'd
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: rather you know, he's you know, just a bus You
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: have misevaluated his potential, or maybe gets injury. So the
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: point I was making with regard to psychiatry and psychology, Oh, psychia,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: it's a racket. No, it's not, but many people in
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: it are a racket. I think in general, the better
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you are at something, the likelier you are to do
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: it on the up and up. Not always, but in general.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Let's imagine your a truly great person in helping out others,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and you're in the field of psychiatry or psychology or psychotherapy.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: If you really, really are good, word of mouth is
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: gonna spread. This person really help me, and they'll do
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: it on the up and up. It's when you're not
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: any good and you can't get any business. The next thing,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you know, you look at it a questionaion saying, yeah,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: this person's completely off the rocker en. They'll be better
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: if they get to have a support. Duck. It's time
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: for me to take a break here. Speaking of pieces
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: of work, Marjorie Taylor Green now has quit the Congress altogether.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Clearly she's up to something, right, what for what? Say
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: you don't you don't know? You admit you don't know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Admit you don't know. See I know, I know. I
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be saying I know unless I thought I knew,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: which is why I'm the brilliant podcast through over here.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a moment. This is the
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling podcast. This
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: just happened so fast. Marjorie Taylor Green was almost appendage
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: to President Trump campaign rallies, the inauguration. She was always
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: near his side, then got on the outs for a bit.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Then the President calls her a trader. She fires something
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: back and no, she's not even in the Congress at all. Now,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the falling out I analyzed last week and I think
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: it's pretty easy to understand. And I use the term
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green. Didn't know her place Marjorie Taylor Green,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and you can get up. She's hanging around near the president,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: she's famous and all of this stuff. She thinks she
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: can be a leader of the Republican Party in the
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: United States. She's thinking she can be a United States Senator,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: when the reality is is that she probably will always
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: be somebody who can win election from a very conservative district.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Her district is in suburban Atlanta. The city of Atlanta's
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: unbelievably liberal. Some of the suburbs outside of Atlanta are
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: very conservative. That's what she's She's Rome Georgia. She represents
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: an area that's kind of appending extended suburbs of Atlanta
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and down there. They like the fact that she's feisty,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and they're overlooking some of her wacko ideas about the
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: rothschild sending lasers from space which started the wildfires, and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: a bunch of other crackpot things that she threw out
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: because she was gutsy and stood up for Trump. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: they liked the fact that she's on a bat she's
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: wearing the red, white, and blue end she's shouting. You know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: AOC will trying to shout down Trump and she'll shout
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: her right back down. She's got a distinct likes that.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: But in the meantime, it's pretty clear that there are a
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: whole lot of mainstream Republicans are rerounized. Okay, she's pretty
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: nice in this robe, but well, you can't give her
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: anything important. So she wanted to run for the Senate,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: and Trump said, I'm not going to support you for
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the Senate. You can stay in your House seat. She
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: had is to fit over this, and she doesn't think
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: she That's how I think this all started. And therefore
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: she started looking for areas to oppose Trump. But she
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: started saying Trump spending too much time on foreign policy.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, this notion that's Trump fitting Trump. Trump
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: is a guy who is able to take his daily
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: time and have it add up beyond one hundred percent.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Trump spends a lot of time on foreign policy. He
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: spends a lot of time domestic policy. He spends a
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: lot of time analyzing NFL quarterbacks. He spends a lot
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: of time on everything. The guy's unbelievable. He's like the
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: anti Tony Evers. Tony Evers adds up the time he's
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: allotted into his day, and instead of adding up to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent of time, it adds up to like
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: nine percent. He didn't do anything all day. But anyway,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: she took that shot. So Trump fired back, and now
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: she quits the Congress. Now here's the thing that I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: want to analyze. Why would you quit the House? She
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can be on the outs of Trump and still be
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: in the house. Why did she do that? Now? As
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I wouldn't be asking this if I didn't
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: have a theory. One of the things that afflicts people
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: that go into politics is their ego. Many of them
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: put themselves above the cause, all sides, left, right, and
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: so on. They're driven by ego and power, and they
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: don't care so much about the issue per se as
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: they do about getting ahead. Most people don't run for office,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: don't have those issues. You wonder, well, you know, I just,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: for example, I think that the pissing match that's going
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: on right now between say Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: is as much about ego as it is anything else.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: They've got one issue that they disagree on, and that
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: has to do with Israel, and they're turning it into
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: this blood feud. And I just think it's because who's
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: the bigger deal is all that's driving the two of them,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: rather than Okay, we have this one difference, you don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: have to turn it into World War ninety six. I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: think Marjorie Taylor Green wants to run for president. She's saying, Okay, fine, Trump,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: you don't want to let me be a senator, I'll
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: just run for president. Now. I think Trump sized things
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: up with regard to her. Remember George as a swing state,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: it's really close to dead. Even there were the seven
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: swing states, and the president's election, George is one of them.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: In the next senatorial election, if she's the Republican nominee,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: she's somebody that people in the middle can't stand. They
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: think she's nuts. Republicans may love her, but the swing
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: voter city side elections in swing states don't. And Trump
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: understands that. He understands that you've got to have somebody
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: that can win a general election in Georgia. And he
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: thinks that she's so I mean, you'd be able to
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: fundraise like crazy against her, And that's what he told her.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to hear it, so she said, fine, okay,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I won't. You can't stop me from running for president.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: And she size it up the potential Republican opponents and
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: it's basically maybe Rubio, but probably not and JD Vance.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: JD Vance has to align himself with Trump or Trump
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: will exile him from the orbit. So Marjorie's thinking, I'll
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: be you off here. If I'm the anti Trump candidate.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: JD has to be the pro Trump candidate. I can
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: make this one on what so what does that have
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: to do with her resigning from the House. A good question.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Let's imagine Marjorie stays in the House. In the House, basically,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: what you do is you vote and every one of
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: these issues that's coming up in front of the House.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: You remember, the Republicans have this tiny majority in the House.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: They need everybody's vote. They can only have two or
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: three that wander off each time, and most of the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: issues the Republicans are all unified because it's either a
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: really lefty position or the Republican position. If she keeps
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: voting with Trump on everything, she's not able to go
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: out there and take all of her shots on Trump.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: By being out of the House, however, she can start
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: a podcast and she can do the tour of the
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: lefty media that she's been doing. She popped up on
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the View, she's been on CNN, she's gonna be over
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: an MSNBC, She's going to be every She'll probably try
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: to get herself into the Tucker Carlson orbit. She's going
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: to go into all of the places right now that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: are anti Trump, including those left of center and will
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Bass Trump it's hard for her to pull off this
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: batching Trump when she's voting with Trump on every vote
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: in the House, which she'd have to do. Secondly, she'd
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: really hack off a lot of Republicans if she started
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: voting with the lefties on everything. So therefore she sees
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: they need to be out of there altogether, and now
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is untethered to nothing. She's tethered to nothing really other
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: than her own thing. I think the problem she will
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: face and trying to be the female version of Trump
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: is I think she's not. I don't think Marjorie Taylor
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Greena is stupid. I don't think that, but I don't
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: think she's anywhere near as smart as Trump. And some
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: of the ideas that she's thrown around indicates somebody that's
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: a little unhinged. And remember a lot of this was
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: she was trying to get her attention for herself. She
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: first ran for the Congress in eighteen. She came up
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: with this thing. The California wildfires were started by the
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Rothschilds are a famous Jewish family, and she said that
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: they had a laser in space and it coached. And
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: then when she was called anti semitic over she said
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the roth Childs were Jewish. I don't
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: know what's crazier not knowing that the roth Childs were Jewish,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: or thinking that they are spending their time hiring lasers
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to set off wildfires in California. Here's a name for you.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: It's been in the news. Sheila Sherphilus McCormick. She's the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Democratic congresswoman from Florida. She's been indicted, and this doesn't
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: appear to be one of those cases of Trump getting
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: back at people. There's been very little Democratic defense of her.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: They're simply trying to use her cast to try to
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: go after other reput for a republic who didn't do
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: anything as bad. In her instance, she owns a company
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: in Florida. She's accused of conspiring to steal five million
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: dollars from FEMA. Now, remember I alluded to this story
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: earlier on when I was talking about the federal programs
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: with regard to emotional disabilities and emotional to support animals
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: and so on. FEMA is the agency that hands out
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: disaster funds. And anybody who opposes FEMA, oh you're not.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: You don't want to help people who have had been
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the victims of a disaster. People who are scammers eyeball,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: something like FEMA and the dollars signs are flying around
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: to their heads. Now, obviously some federal programs are easier
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: to scam than others. After Katrina, I mean the stories
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: about the fraud that occurred after Katrina. You know, everything
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: was torn down, There weren't enough contractors. All these chuck
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: out of trucks drove themselves down to New Orleans after Katrina,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and they did these repairs, and who knows what the
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: actual repair actually costs, but they're submitting reimbursements into the many,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: many fortunes. And in many cases the building was never
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: going to The building was just a dump and a
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: shack and it needs this out or the other thing.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: The company that Chapilas McCormick owned is a family business
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: that's involved in healthcare. When COVID broke out, Remember there
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: was that disaster declaration that Biden gave. Remember that that
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: meant that FEMA was in a position to administer some
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: of the vaccine grants she applied for. One see, in
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: order to get these vaccine grants, though, you had to
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: do vaccinations. I'm willing to bet that if you went
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: and check these records. There are some people that have
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: been vaccinated eighteen thousand, five hundred and fifty times that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: they are on papers have been vaccinated right and left.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Because there are double and triple and quadruple and homet
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Who knows how many reimbursements are going in. Who's been caught. Now,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: she's trying to play the race card. I'm a successful
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: African American woman. They're targeting me over this. But I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: know she isn't getting a lot of support, either in
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Florida or anywhere else. It means probably a lot of
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: people figure that she has been scamming this. And we
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: just had a case in the state of Wisconsin, a
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: big deal. The other area where there's a lot of
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: scams home health care or home childcare services. Who's checking
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: suppose Paul said, Let's say Paul has his wife set
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: up a home childcare business in they're reimbursing for nine
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: kids being in there every day. How many times do
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: they get State bureaucrack comes in and sees if there's
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: nine kids in there. That's just it. So again, whenever
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: anybody tries to draw attention to any of these programs,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: saying that we're spending too much money on that. People say, well,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: now you're a not for child career, not for disaster relief,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: or you weren't for getting people vaccinated. With regard to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: COVID and without regard to your position on the actual issue,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: these become just easy targets for fraud, and the only
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: way to stop it is for the punishment to be harsh.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: This woman needs, first of all, her political career needs
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: to end. The Democrats are not removing her from Congress. Well,
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: she's only been charged you sexually harassed somebody. They'll run
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: you out of Congress instantly, without regard to whether or
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: not you're a conviction. But you can be accused of
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: stealing five million dollars in federal money. She's gonna be
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: staying there forever. Now, why do the Democrats want her
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: to stay and not reside? They need her vote? Why
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: did I just tell you? With regard to Marjorie Taylor Green,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: the Republican margin is minuscule. So if sherpullis McCormick resigns.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: First of all, she's got from a very democratic district
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: in Florida. There aren't many districts in Florida that overwhelming
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the Democratic but hers is she's county, she will that
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: seat will always be held by a Democrat. Secondly, the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: other reason a lot of Democrats are not coming to
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: her back is they're going to be able to get
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: a Democrat that they find less distasteful than her in
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that seat. But until the election next year, they wanted
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: to stay around without regard to how crooked she is,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: and given how slowly the criminal justice system works, there
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: won't be a conviction prior to that. And I'm sure
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: they'll tell her at some point, you're going to take
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: a plea deal. She'll take a plea deal, but she
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: won't take the plea deal until after the election in
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: November of next year, because once she takes the plea deal,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: she'd have to resign her seat in the Congress. The
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: people that are voting for all these Marxist mayors, one
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: of the things that you think would happen that just
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen is they never seem to think that all
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: the crap that's happening in all the other cities that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: have Marxist mayors will happen in their city. People tried
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: to say this to the people of New York Do
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: you want to be Seattle? Do you want to be
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles? And they just can't connect that. It's the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Marxism that's the problem. They think, well though, its people
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: just have dumb mayors. It's not because they're Marxists. To
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: my retort, I just to my I simply used Chicago
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: as a retort of all the big cities in the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I guess you could throw New York in here. You know,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: all over the United States, downtowns had gone on hard times.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: They started to bounce back when the millennials moved to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: downtown's like like they have in Milwaukee to live. But
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: you remember, you know, downtowns were the big shopping areas
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: and the entertainment districts and so on, and then malls
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: came in and downtown's became they struggled in most of them,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: they're just offices. Chicago was the city Who's downtown that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: never happened, Michigan Avenue, the Magnificent Mile, beautiful, the whole,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: the Lower the Loop area, a little bit more downs scale,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: but still vibrant as lefty as Chicago was prior to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: two mayors ago. When Lightfoot got in. They never really
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: had a crazy idiotic mayor. They were always Democrats, mind you,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: but they were mayors that understood that Chicago bank rolls
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: everything in the quality of life, all the money that
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: comes out of this this is what we need in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: order to pay for all of our lefty stuff and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: so on. But these Marxists have a different view. In part,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they don't believe in locking people up and they don't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: believe in incarcerating them. So it starts with the crime.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It always starts at the crime, and the crime creates
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: the snowball effect. The crime starts, the businesses start to leave.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Businesses start to leave, so now it's not attractive to residential.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Now the business of residential are down, so even more
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: businesses leaving. It keeps snowballing and snowballing and snowballing. If
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I remember back in my younger days, I mean, just
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: always go to Chicago on Christmas time. It was so beautiful.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I mean they lit it up. I mean Michigan Avenue
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: itself at night. It was brighter than in daytime. The
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: lights in the street, the street is so wide, all
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the stores are decorated up. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Well they
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: still have the Christmas tree lighting do you hear about
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: what happened at the Christmas tree lighting? Three hundred teens
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: show up and riot. This is happening now at almost
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: every downtown Chicago thing. If there's a thing that brings
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: in like people from the suburbs and a lot of others,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: it's their opportunity. They have no fear of consequences. They
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: figure there's three hundred of us. Worst case scenario, the
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: cops will grab nine of us, and when they do
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: grab nine of us, they won't do anything to us
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: because the lefties run Chicago. So they had a riot.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Five people were shot, one critical condition, gunshot wound to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: the torso. Multiple police officers were attacked and injured with
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: mace and stun guns. See, the police officers in Chicago
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: know that they can't respond to violence with violence. They
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: can't use the kind of force that's being directed at them.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It used to be what the cops would do is
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: they would mace the criminals and they would, you know,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: they would tase them. Now the criminals are coming in
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: with this stuff, firing out at the cops who can't
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: do anything in response. So how'd you like to be
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Let's suppose you're somebody who lives on the North Shore
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of Chicago, and okay, we'll come down for the Christmas
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: tree lighting. And you saw this and you're fearful for
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: your life. Never again. Now you'd like to argue to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: other liberals, Okay, fine, elect one of your stupid, dope
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: liberal mayors. You know, the Tom Barretts and John Northis
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: of the world are a dime a dozen. You can't
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: do this. And I will say, as adult as may
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Or Chevy is, he's not a Marxist. You know, we
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: have disorder on Water Street. It's not like they don't
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: do anything to stop it, but once it actually starts,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: they realize, okay, we have to do something. They're not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: of the opinion let them do it. But that's what
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: you get when you get with Marxism. The challenge is
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: always going to be to persuade the lefties who live
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: in these big cities that the Marxists and all the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: other cities are have the same mentality and mindset as
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: the Marxist that's running for office in your own city.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: And now to this story, there are two types of criminals.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: What do you do you think you know what the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: two types are. Yes, you got it, smart and dumb.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: I was gonna stay smart. It's stupid. I think stupid
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: sounds what's worse, stupid or dumb. I think stupid is
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: a lower level of dumb, don't you. Yes, I think
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: like lots of people in dumb, I mean dumb. I'm
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm all excited. I uh, did I push
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: or lose my football? Pick? Was my line? Two and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: a half? I thought it was either two and a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: half or three. It was in both plays, and I
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: don't remember what it was. And we did our contest.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I thought it was three on the radio. But well, yeah,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: I do want it right now. How hard is it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: for you to find these things? Three? I pushed, I pushed,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I tied. Yeah, I tied. I lost four in a row.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: So the point that I was making before Paul got
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: all laddled off on this is for me tying, rather
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: than this is actually a victory. I didn't lose five
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: weeks in a row. I have at one in the ages.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: But I tied on my pick. You won your game
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: by half a point, didn't you mean embarrassing? Just by
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: the way, Let me throw this in real quickly. The
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Bears are eight and three. Do you believe they have
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: been outscored on the season. Mathematically, that's almost impossible. The
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: only way that can happen is in your three losses,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: you get slaughtered so bad that that margin of loss
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: and your three losses overwhelms the margin of victory. At
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: eight games, it usually means you get your come up
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: and s and hopefully that'll be in the two games
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: they play against Green Bay. Anyway, we're the two types
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of criminals. You have to amend your answer because you're
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent correct, smart and stupid. This story is that?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Which type do you think this story is going to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: be about? Stupid? I mean some crooks are smart, like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: the ones that's target scamming the government for everybody, Like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the Congress from Florida has caught ninety seven zillion get
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: away with it. You know. The FEMA is just ripped,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: ripped off right and left, all right. This couple's name
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: is Ricardo and Anna Puentes. They're from Watertown. They went
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: into the Saint Vincent to Paul's store on Pelwaukee. This
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: according to the Waco shop freeman. First of all, I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: just the places you're gonna go to, Like I don't
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: for the Saint vincent to Paul. Stuff is really cheap
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: to begin with, right, I know, and am again I'm
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: can't say I'm familiar. Maybe there's like no security at
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: all there because of the nature. I mean, I don't
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: think they've got security cameras of the whole thing. They well,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is the Pewauculan. I just don't know.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Oh it's in the story. I didn't even read that part.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Oh that's how they caught the other part of it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: You're right about that anyway, that's they go into shoplift. Okay,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: people go into shoplift everywhere. Now, I know a little
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: bit about shoplifting. First of all, there's YouTube videos and
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: shoplifting all over the place. What's the primary goal of
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: shop Well, obviously to steal the stuff. But in terms
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: of the way you shoplift, what's the most important thing
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: to know? Well, don't draw attention to yourself. Don't draw
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: attention to yourself. So the couple's going into shoplift. While shoplifting,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: the guy grabs up a twelve year old girl. What
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: shoplifting isn't enough, Let's do child mollist anyway. Now it's
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: not clear would they have caught him or not. But
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: the little girls said she reported this. They checked the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: security video and they see that they were shoplifting. I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: know this. Who's the angriest person about the whole thing?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: The wife? First of all, what do you do, I'm
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: grabbing a prop of year old girl. You're here with me. Secondly,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: we would have gone away with the stuff that we swiped,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: but you couldn't keep your hands to yourself. Ricardo and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Anna Puent's and then they questioned him, and of course
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: he admits it. I honestly think that if I had
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: that kind of problem, I'm molesting twelve year old children.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure even if they showed me the video,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: I would still deny it. But he admitted it. Let's see.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: I love hearing the statements of stupid criminals. Obviously it's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: a terrifying story, but the good thing is the pervertsmen
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: caught and the little girl, the fact that this happened
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: to her. I don't want to put this in the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: wrong way, but the fact that she quickly alerted everyone,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: she's helped prevent anybody else from doing this, and she
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: could consider herself a hero here rather than a victim.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: And the criminal plaint said The twelve year old old
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: reported to her mother in November nine that she was
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: at the Pewaukee Saint Vincent de Paul's store earlier that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: they shopping with friends and a pair of one of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: them when a man and a parent of one of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: them when a man touched her inappropriately on her backside.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: She reported the man had been following her around the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: store and made her feel uncomfortable, and that he brushed
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: up against her but had repeatedly gotten uncomfortably close to her.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Police reviewed surveillance cameras from that day on the store
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: on which the man is seen touching the girl. Were
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: touching the girl's butt with his left hand. The complaints said.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: He was also seen leaving the store with a full
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: purse that was empty when his wife carried it in.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: So the guy has the purse, the white frid and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: the empty person. Suddenly he's the guy that's smuggling out
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: of the purse, and then he's so if they he
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: would have gotten away, was they would have gotten away?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Was stealing the stuff if the goof hadn't grabbed the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: butt of the twelve year old girl who ratted him out.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Oh I love cameras everywhere I love the fact that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the girl told their parents about the fact that it
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: happened in the yacht. You gotta love the fact that
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: the Saint Vincent of Paul store had the cameras in there.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't know about the citizenship status of the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: point his family here, but I will tell you this,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I want the book thrown at this creep. The wife.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: She needs to be prosecuted for shop lipping. You don't
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: give her a pass of this. I want the book
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: thrown at this creep. Well may this may well be.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I did not have an opportunity to run
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: his criminal background check and so on. And the problem
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: with credit a criminal background check is in Wisconsin. All
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: that shows up is Wisconsin, and often people will be
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: from numerous states, and there may be lots of other things.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: But oh yeah, that's in here somewhere. I didn't breathe
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: the entirety of the quote. I jump on ahead. Yeah,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: he pretty much acknowledges he's a pervert. Let's see the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Raccuto Puente said he was attracted to the girl. What
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: a don't be thing to admit. I mean, let's go
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: to Mark Belling's Perfect World and figure out what the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: punishment of this is it's just a question of which
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: body part do we want to cut off more? I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: mean the hands. He's shoplifting with the hands and that's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: what he's grabbing with, or there's another body part that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: we could go after. But he was stupid to think
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: to touch her. Well stupid? Is he as stupid? He
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: admits his stupidity. He's also depraved in a monster, the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: complaint said. But he indicated that he stopped himself as
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: he started to reach for her. When that actually that's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: not real smart either. I mean the guy say so
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: he's stick in his arm out. The girl kind of
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: saw that it was coming out there, but stick at
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: his arm out. You see him on the security camera. Anyway,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: when Shona recorded image of him touching her, he responded
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: by saying, I need help. Maybe he can go to
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: the same shrinks that. Maybe he can go to what's
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: her call up? What's his name? Sass over there and
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: he can have his girlfriend give him a fill out
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: a fifteen minute question here and send a letter say
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: on that the I mean, there are people listening to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: me who probably know this guy, this sass and the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: psychologist who looks at a form and then puts in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: a person's name and signs their name to it and
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: claims that she's a competent metal health professional as opposed
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: to what everybody knows. These two are. What. Yeah, I
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: messed up and not had these thoughts for a long
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: time until he went into the Saint Vincent de Paul store,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: apparently to shoplift. I'm sure the wife's wool thing is fine.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: You go and do that. You're a door stealing our
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: stuff going out of the park. All of this stuff
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: I had, like, I don't even know what you gotta think. See,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking at the Pewaukee Saint Vincent de Paul, you
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: there might be some halfway decent stuff in there. Well, yeah,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: this is Peewaukee. This is not like uh this, it'd
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: be like you're seeing Vincent DePaul and see in in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: uh in, what's her name? Cedarburgh in there? You don't
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: have one? Do you have a Salvation army? Or are
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: you claiming that Cedarburgh won't even allow that kind of slumming?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Or I know what it is, you Cedarburgh. Rich people,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: you're so cheap, you don't donate anything and give it away.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: You're you simply have your wives go and put the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: thing up on eBay rather than giving it away to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: poor people or whatever. Well, I mean, of course they
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: look like like like like crooks, and he looks like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: a pervert. But whenever you see somebody that you already
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: know is a pervert, I mean there's the whole you know,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Pewee Herman. Everybody believed it because he just looks like
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: he's a pervert. The Woody Allen thing is the closest
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: call I think. I the Woody Allen thing is more
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: than a quarter century old, and all we know is
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: the evidence of what people have said on both sides.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: I'm fifty to fifty as to whether or not he
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: did it. I just do you think Woody Allen did it?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: You do? I just his denials are credible. His accuser
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: is not credible in the sense that it was part
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: of one of the most public breakups of Victorial of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: all what he yelled at me and Pharaoh of I mean,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: this was World War I talked with Well, it was
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: just hatred between the two of them, in which you
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: could certainly see her prompting one of the kids to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: say this. The thing of it is with regard to
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: any kind of pervert. I always look as to whether
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: or not there's a pattern, and that's where the Woody
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Allen thing becomes problematic. There's a little bit of a pattern,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: but not much. I mean, he married his wife's stepped up.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: People keep confusing that Sung Ye was also right around
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: of age when he married her. But Sunyi was not
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  Speaker 2: Woody Allen's child. He was onre Previn's child and me
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: as child. They adopted Sun Yee. It was never his child.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: And he made the movie Manhattan in which his girlfriend
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: and the movie is seven. The oddest thing to me
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: about Manhattan is when that came out, nobody was bothered
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: by this at all. And people point out at that
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: time the age of consent in New York was was seventeen,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: so it was not illegally he was doing it. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the most praise movies of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: all time. In the movie, he's having an affair with
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: a seventeen year old and nobody was bothered by That's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: part of it. In fact, the implication was that the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: happy ending was it looked like they were gonna hook up,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: she went off to Paris or whatever and so on. Now,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: if you made a movie about some old geezer point
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: on a seventeen year old. It would be you couldn't.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: It's not even succeptible in pornography to do that, for
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Heaven's sakes, So I don't. Other than that, though, there
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: have never been other accusers that have come forward to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: my knowledge against Woody Allen. And you know the whole
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Ron and Pharaoh thing. That's Dylan's sister and he had
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: an axe to grind. I think there's a good chance
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: he didn't do it. I think there's a good chance
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: he did do it. I'm undecided on that issue. I'm
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: never undecided. They always have these polls, you know, a
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: gallup pool forty nine, forty eight percent, this three percent undecided,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: always wort. How are these people who can't make them
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: with their minds? He's undecided and this one I'm undecided.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: This is the Mark Belling podcast. Let's talk about football.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about football? All right? Let's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: start with the state high school fight. Did you go
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: to these games that? Did you crap out because it
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: was too cold for you? You were there? Did you
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: stay for all three of them or not? Did you
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: stay for all three of them? Or not. I thought
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: you were. You said you were going to all three games.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Well now you changed so you only went to the
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: one game. Well, I'm gonna quickly comment because I watched
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: all three of these games because on Friday, as you know,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: I sit on my rein and don't do anything, and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: it's the daytime. What a perfect in their sports during
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: the daytime on TV that is at a replace. So
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I watched all three games. Grafton won the Division III game.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: It wasn't the last play of the game, but it
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: was fourth thout. It was they had no time outs left.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: There's I think twelve seconds on the clock. Kid kicks
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: a thirty five yard field. You talk about pressure, We
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: talk about how kids have such snowflakes and pressure and
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: anxiety and all of this stuff. How'd you like to
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: be a kid knowing that you are going to remember
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. You either want to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: state championship with your kick or you cost your team
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: a state championship by going wide left. That is pressure.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Thirty five isn't that long, but for high school it's
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: a kid, it's a kick. Any put it through. So
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: that was they won their game on a field. Go
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: West to Pier won the kind of it's not really
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Crosstown but close west to peer beat Green Bay Notre Dame,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: which is the Catholic school from the Green Bay area.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: That was a pretty good game. And then the Division
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: One game. I need to bring this up because it's something.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: What happened is something that I saw more than once
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: this more than once this weekend. It happened in an
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: NFL game too. Bayport was playing Arrowhead and it was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: a back and forth game of two really high powered teams.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, Arrowhead scored Bayport's driving down the length
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: of the field with time running out, and they had
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: almost no time to go to the length of the field,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: and they got down to the eleven year I should
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: mention Arrowheads up by three points, and Bayport completed a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: couple of long passes and got to the eleven and
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: the kid catches the ball with one second left, which
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: stopped the clock one more second and none of this
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: even comes up. Caught them with one second left, and
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: it looked like the crack operator did not help or hurt.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: It looked like the clock stopped right when I don't
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: recall a few out of bounds in the out of
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: timeout or what it was, but the clock properly stopped
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: after the catch. You're down by three, you're on the eleven.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: The Bayport coach elected not to kick a tying field goal,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: which would have sent the game into overtime, and decided
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: to go for the win on fourth and eleven. Well,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: they didn't do it. The coach is the son of
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: the son of Steve Jorgenson. Steve Jorgensen was the guy
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: that won state championship at Oshkosh North and he started
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: the dynasty at Kimberly. Another guy took over after him
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: and continued the Kimberly dynasty. This is his son, and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: he won a championship with Bayport last year. And what
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: we don't know They mentioned on TV that their kicker
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: was three for three on the season. Here's the thing
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: with teams that go to the state championship. They usually
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: slaughter everybody during the season, so they're probably not. I mean,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: I'll watch Baseport. You can just see how for most
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: teams they played their probably scoring it will. They never
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: needed to kick a field goal because they were scoring touchdowns.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: So were they making that? Did they make the decision
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  Speaker 2: that they couldn't trust their kicker with the game on
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: the line, they hit a twenty eight. It's the same
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: thing that the Grafting kid was facing. That was for
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: the win in the game, rather than this was just
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: for a tie that he didn't trust his kicker to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: be able to respond to the pressure. Or did they
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: just think that they had to play that they could
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: make worth and fourth and if it's one thing to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: go forward and fourth and one or fourth and two.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: They went foot and fourth and eleven and they didn't
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: make it. He said, I asked my players and they
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: said go for it. First of all, if you're the
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: coach of the team, you're the guy that's supposed to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: make that decision. I would not put that. I would
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: not put that on the kids. That is different from
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Mark Johnson, the Badger hockey coach, where they had a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: penalty shot to tie the National Championship game. He said,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: who wants it? He was looking for a player who
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: was not going to shy away from that moment. And
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: that's a separate thing from Yeah, I think that that's
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: not a good answer. I think I think you should
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: say it's my decision and I'm gonna live or die
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: with it, and that's the reason he's the coach. I mean,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I mean by that standard, I mean the coach is
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: never going to call any plays either. Then the same
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: thing happened. The New York Giants are playing Detroit and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Packers played Detroit on Thursday. Hard to say if Detroit's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: that good or not. I just they were going to
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: lose that game. The Giants had the ball at the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: end of the game. It was fourth First of all,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: it was third down. They had got the ball down
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: to the one yard line and proceeded to lose yard
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: age and they're running wide plays. So it's fourth and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: goal of the sixth and you're just assume they're going
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: to kick the field goal to send the game into overtime.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: They went for it. You know, this is against Detroit.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: That Campbell the coach at Detroit, he is famous for
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: always going for it at fourth down. But this is
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: fourth and sixth. It wasn't fourth and two, and a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: couple of his players took It's an interim coach with
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: the Giants that already fired their coach. So I'm guessing
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: this is an interim coach auditioning for the job. And
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: I think we now know what's gonna happen. He's not
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: gonna get he's not getting the job at the it happen.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: You just see this trend now, and it started with
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: this whole analytics thing. Go for it, goal for it,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: goal for it, go for it. The problem, as I've said,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: with analytics, is it's talking about in the overall in
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: a situation, not that precise situation. It's calculating generically each
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: team and doesn't take into consideration home field, how good
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: the other team's defense is playing, who has the momentum,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't calculate any of those things. And let's talk real
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: quickly about the Packers again. The strength of the Packer
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: team is the defense. And you can debate a lot
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of things about green Bay, but you can't debate the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: trade for Michael Parsons. He has been the final piece
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: of the puzzle that has given Green Bay an incredibly
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: good defense. Their pass rush is outstanding, they're very good
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: against the run game. I mean, Packers are playing on
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: defense eleven against nine. Given the fact that three guys
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: are blocking Parsons, that means two other defenders don't have
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: to worry about anybody that's out there. The caveat, of course,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: is is that. I think Minnesot's very good football team
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: and is a very good defense, but the Viking quarterback
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: is joke. I mean, maybe in three years JJ McCarthy
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: will be able to play, but he's got good receivers
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: and a good offense around him, and he's just pretty bad.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: So the Packers are a team whose offense is still
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: to me, not clicking, but their defense is carrying them.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: And I've often said, of the two, I'd rather have
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: a strong defense that a strong offense. I think the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: offense is enough personnel in it that it can come around,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: but the defense is really it's the defense is really good. Well,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs was not playing very well when he was
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: healthy because he's been playing injured all year. But the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: offensive is doing a pretty good job of run blocking. Unfortunately,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: it's not doing much of a job of pass protection.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: It's been very hard for Jordan Love to throw long
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: because he's never has enough time to be able to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: throw long. With regard to the Wisconsin Badgers, I mean,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: you talk about an unusual season. They have beaten two
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: ranked teams. The Badgers are four and seven, yet the
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: fans have stormed the field after a win twice which
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: you just wouldn't think would happen with a team that's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: four and seven. The last six teams Wisconsin has played
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: ranked in the top twenty five as of the time
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: they played them, and eight of the teams that they've
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: played this year have been ranked at one time in
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the top twenty five. Nonetheless, I think it's accurate to
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: say that some of those losses, it doesn't matter if
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: they were playing a team that was ranked or not,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: they were terrible. In the case of Wisconsin. What I
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: think has happened here is Fickle has built one of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: the best defenses in America and he has a terrible offense.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: And again, of the two, particularly in college, you know
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: you turnover transfer portal recruiting, you can bring in new players.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I think it is harder to build a great defense
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: in college because there are so many good offenses. But
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: I think that Wisconsin made the right decision in bringing
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Fickle back. The key now will be to have enough
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: money in that program to stop guys from transferring. And
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: there have been a lot of teams in college football
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: that have been firing the coach and nobody's addressing the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: real problem unless you have alumni that are going to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: pull out the check book and start writing out massive checks.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: You're going to lose players to the schools that do this.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: I was talking about this as somebody over the weekend.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Don't the Badgers have like techzillionaires. The problem with tech
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: billionaires is that they don't care about sports. They care
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: about the biotech lab at all of that. You know
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: what kind of alumni care about sports. Guys in the
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: oil business and so on. That's how these Texas schools
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: have all this money because that's the thing that they're
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: motivated by. But they're going to have to do a
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: better job of paying players, and particularly if you have
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: a freshman who has a good season, you got to
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: pay of it. People say, well I don't like that, Well,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: then you don't like college sports. That is what it is.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Whether you like that, that's what the situation here is.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: It's the reality. The other problem, and we talked about
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: it with Mike Brolette, is Wisconsin has been plagued by
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: injuries to a level that you wonder if it's beyond
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: a coincidence. But with only a couple of exceptions, it's
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: been confined mostly to the offense. Well, the training staff
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: works on both sides of the balls. I'm guessing the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: injuries more have more to do with the fact that
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: the offense wasn't any good, meaning guys are likely to
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: be banged around and overmatched and and so on. And
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: finally this I'm prepared to declare that Formula one in
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas is a failure. This was announced with such fanfare.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: The race was Saturday night, and I'm telling you, I,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: other than people that are Formula one geeks, did anybody
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: even know what was going on? They started they started this,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: there was so much hype over the whole thing, and
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: they're going to run the race on the strip and
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: so on. I just think that other than people into
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: Formula one, other people were watching college football going on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: and going out on Saturday night. It's just it's become
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: an afterthought on the Formula one schedule. They've got two
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: American races late and the season in there, so the
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Formula one is winding itself down with races going on
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: in the one country that doesn't seem to care that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: much about Formula One. I mean, Formula one gets watched
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: in America when it's on TV when there's nothing else on.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: The races in Europe around on Sunday mornings. People will
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: watch it then, but the whole thing in Vegas and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Saturday night, plus from what I've been able to pick up,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: everybody in Vegas hates it because they close the streets
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: for three to four weeks to set up the course.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, the strip is closed, the side streets are closed.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: Visitors who want to come in, and it's still sort
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: of in season in November. The room rates are inflated
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: because all the Formula one people are in town. The
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: casinos don't like it because apparently the people aren't those
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: aren't really gamblers that come in for all of this,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: and they've unfortunately they're saddled with a ten year contract.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: But I think and everybody, everyone, maybe not everyone knows
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: Vegas is really hurting. The visitor count is down, and
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: the casino operators are saying, we've got to change things
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: and realize we've been doing too much overcharging with these
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: resort fees and gouging people in the whole you can
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: go to Vegas and not spend a lot of money.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Thing has gone well. We've got an economy in which
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: everybody's cutting back. Walmart's booming, and nobody else is because
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: of the situation in the economy, and it's hitting Vegas.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: But also I think Vegas. And when I say Vegas,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: I mean the people marketing Vegas took their eyes off
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: the ball. They're putting their eyes on the ball on
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: the Formula one crowd and not the regular old American crowd.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: The Vegas crowd is. They have this event in December
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: every year that packs the places in the slow season.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: It's the rodeo that the Vegas crowd. The Vegas crowd
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: isn't Formula one and chasing all of these high end
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: rich people, the rich and famous, the glitterati from all
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: over the world. Those are people so who may come
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: in for one thing, but they're not going to build
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: any loyalty for you. And in the meantime, you're crowding
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: out what your loyal customer base has been for so long.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: And I think that those statements are not even controversial.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: I think almost probably everybody now agrees with that. I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: want to quickly tell you about our schedule this week.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: For Thanksgiving week, our next podcast will as usual, be
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: released on Wednesday. We are going to be doing our
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: football preview and picks on the Wednesday podcast normally it's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: on Thursday, but with the Packers playing early in the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: day on Thursday and so on, we're going to do
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: our football segment with Mike. We're doing that on Wednesday's podcast,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: the one that will be released in the middle of
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: the week, and the third podcast, which would normally come
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: out on Thursday, that's Thanksgiving Day, so we're releasing on
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Friday morning. In other words, Black Friday morning. So the
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: third podcast of the week will be released on Friday morning.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: I just think it's more appropriate that we put it
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: out at that point. So that's when you'll be able
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: to find all of them. Man, keep listening in. That's
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: all you need to know. Yeah, that's Thanksgiving game. I
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: just yeah, and in Detroit, and the whole thing seems
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: like a loss. But I mean then I watched Detroit
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: play and they're not the same team without the two
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: coordinators that they have last year. Who knows what'll happen.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk to you some night.
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