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Packers Humble Bears, Ben Johnson in 31-7 Beatdown · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the under center podcast presented by fanside that is Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am Kenneth Davis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I've been punished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like my parents made me watch something that I did not be an Alex, I wanted to force me to continue watching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna let y'all know, I wasn't a real time.
0:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He told me in 10 more texts and I was ready not to watch the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Four disclosure, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 won't even do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I already knew the final score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why am I doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already angry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's start off with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I texted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you got to watch all of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need you to feel every ounce of pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of text me goes, I just got to the Adunzee fumble.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I have to keep going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, there's one more turn over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't turn it off now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually think I said don't stop now boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't stop now boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't stop now boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't stop now boys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, bears lost 31 to 7 in Lambo field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt LaFour got some some spec back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First apology of the day goes to the NFL.
1:13
[SPEAKER_01]: because I was talking mad spicy about I hope the packers have some feeling and don't act like the Eagles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The packers have weighed in enough feeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, which again, for this rivalry is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what's gonna happen to Ben Johnson on this show?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyson Bage in 12 with 21, 87 yards, 21 deceptions, two sacks, a QBR of 19 and a rating of 27.4, case cinema, let also the two sacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I'll get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Case cinema, 11 and 19, 180 yards, one interception, two sacks, and this is a script time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A QBR of 23 and a rating of 52, Jordan Love on the other side, 25 of 31, 2TD, zero interceptions, two sacks,
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[SPEAKER_01]: QBR of 95.2 and a rating of 137.5 and one of the things that I said on this show on a prep show, or I pre-game show, rather.
2:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Watch the Bears get bombed by Jordan Love, Christian Watson and Golden, and it came a fruition.
2:21
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bears the helping their defensive backfield, Kyla Gordon, Spider-Man, where the hell are you at?
2:27
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be some, you know,
2:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about when is it going to be time to make some changes and I still think jailing Johnson is a good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not getting what I don't think the bears are getting what they need from a guy that's supposed to be bouncing between the top tier and the second tier of being in the top quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now now we know he's in the second, but it's not even like top of the second.
2:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how hard he is, but there's just times where it's just like, bro, and usually it get beat when he was nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still times like man, what the, that truck, he got truck, and again I know he's a corner back, but part of the thing is he's supposed to be a tough corner bed.
3:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So come to the floor, all right, you, you, all right, yeah, mark that down because you got to edit that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three, ten will be our first audio drop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there might be a few audio drops in this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't have to.
3:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you, all right, do not play this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not sit here and Alex actually warned you too.
3:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It said, if you got any news, Tyson Bajit, he needs a separate game plan.
3:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously all three of him needs separate game plans, but case canum with his arm can't, he's not Caleb, but he has the anticipated anticipatory ability along with some zip on his ball to do some things, but he can't move.
3:58
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can throw the ball down, failed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can throw the ball down field, which, again, unless it's a play where you know you're going to scheme a guy open, there's no reason to have Tyson Bayesian throwing balls down field like that.
4:09
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's, we all know his limitations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a bad kid, not a bad back up, but you can't run him like he's a full-time starter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So part of, and the packers clearly need that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The packers knew that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was part of their defensive game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we fully saw that where they're like this dude can't throw it past eight yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, we're just going to bottle up that great run game and we're going to force Tyson Bayesian to beat us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the bears in the packers played the same game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jordan love got the job done with a little help from the bear secondary not getting the job done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Tyson Bayesian simply couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They played the exact same game plan, which is we're going to make you be one dimensional and Tyson Bayesian laid the biggest goose egg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jordan love got it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think the bears necessarily made the Packers one dimensional as much as I feel like once the game had flipped and they didn't have like it was what were you gonna do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to win up so far on you running a ball was more just let's take a little time off the club but really they just kept looking up there they just kept looking up there and it was like one of our guys is gonna come down with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, that is a good game plan for them because they have Jordan love one of the better deep ball throws in it in a fail and a healthy Christian Watson.
5:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Which when is that bug injury bug on pop up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish that I don't know about him joking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll Christian Watson is healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the type of vibes that I live off of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the point being, you knew what you were running into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of fundamentally ground pound and I know and but this also kind of comes back to heart hurt you to you was trying to send a message to the Andre Swift, not upset about that message right and I don't know when the turf toe happened with Kyle Mnunga, but you overused Kyle Mnunga last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that may have come back to hurt you with what you like to do with this run guy wearing game because Rochon just is it one of them at this point, Rochon Johnson rushed for he had five carries for six yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you got one of my major note from this other than like Tyson page and it just didn't have it today and the bear secondary didn't have it today was way too much Rochon Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the five carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the field of lunch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the field of bunch way, way, way, way too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like the Andre Swift was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the Andre, well, it's a bad game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost average five yards per care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He, the Andre Swift had nine carats of 43 yards for four point eight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The we talked about it that this needed to be a game where the Andre Swift takes over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was running.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing pretty fairly was doing solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the game got away on the field enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not on the field enough to let alone let alone just getting nine carries like he just didn't have enough snaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be really curious to see the snap breakdown when that comes out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes you have to be humbled.
7:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So you learn sometimes not to do certain things.
7:17
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to smoke, I like you calling your shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you better back it up.
7:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, saying, you got to be like, you know, you got to be like,
7:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you know how the America's villain and how the sky didn't want her and now she's a chance she should be the damn WMF Final Fantasy player of the year and if she wins that title and is one of college title and then went in the WMBA, what can you say about it?
7:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You can dislike all you want, but she backs up mess up.
7:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Johnson, you got too colorful with all of this stuff.
7:48
[SPEAKER_01]: The ego was flowing last week with the whole case at the beginning of the series.
7:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop playing with these NFL teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you to play when you got when you got the hand.
8:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So I rather you play also when your team is hurt, but you need to know when and not play when and not to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You set Beijing up for failure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just be straight up and down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You set Tyson Bayesian up for failure because that game plan was not suited for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the first thing you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd impacted the defense with what you did defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Allen didn't have his best game, even though he was pulling them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first half to try to stop the bleeding, he didn't have his first game.
8:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking, let me go real quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't pull up my nose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, thank you, Little Fairwell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: bad decision, one going with Tyson Bager.
8:38
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason in case ketim shift until case ketim fails, there's no reason for case ketim not to be to start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying either one of them or world beaters, but we saw a nice serving side and this is another thing too.
8:51
[SPEAKER_01]: When we look at case kingdom in this game.
8:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's remember case kingdom has not had two weeks of starters reps, all right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw case kingdom with a week of starters reps, right?
9:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Two weeks off of starters reps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of this stuff also being asked to like, hey, put up 24 points right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to push it like you got to push it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One dimensional now, make it happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cold, right off the bench, cold, right?
9:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you said him up can fill your also.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when are you going to stop playing with I can coach up anybody's QB.
9:23
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
9:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You got two decent guys behind Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the Caleb game plans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to know you don't do it all because they're not running like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need separate game plans.
9:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But until and let's Caleb was coming back next week.
9:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Until Caleb comes back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to have Tyson Bagent have the same failure.
9:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm gonna say case kingdom.
9:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Have the same failure that Tyson Bagent had today before you pull Tyson, I mean, case kingdom.
9:53
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Caleb Williams better be back next week.
9:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, and then what they showed us they want to feel.
9:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Williams is gonna be back next week.
10:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty happy.
10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna look for him as you work out.
10:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They were testing it.
10:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Caleb is gonna be great to see again, buddy.
10:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I'm wrong, but Caleb looked at looking as I like.
10:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I was talking.
10:15
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
10:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking like no, but y'all.
10:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody's uncle from Seanberg who was like, you know, Tyson.
10:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I really like this Tyson guy, right?
10:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
10:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he just operates.
10:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb can learn a thing or two from Tyson Bayesian in this offense.
10:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch him operate.
10:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those guys in Seanberg.
10:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I, there, there was a guy in one of my group chats, who is a Tyson Beijing man, who is quick, quick this year, quick, last you say.
10:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They got a bench Caleb.
10:50
[SPEAKER_00]: They got to see what this offense looks like with Tyson Beijing.
10:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He recused.
10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He recused himself.
10:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He declared, I was wrong today.
11:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do wonder, I do wonder if Shomberg nation, if Tyson Beijing nation, I do wonder if, you know, like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this second civil war, in the Justin Fields versus Caleb Williams civil war, and then the smaller civil war between Caleb Williams and Tyson Bayesian, like, at least that's going to be putter.
11:20
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate to do this, and I know you take on larger topics on the show.
11:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I usually stare away from them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think Tyson Bayesian was any way near better than Caleb Williams, or does that to start before him, you could be part of the reason we're in the end of the week that we're in in this country right now.
11:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hit me with it because it's at some point let's I'm a black guy right I'm a black guy Let's just say Snoop-Putley was backing up Drake May right and Snoop has a game
11:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no damn way, hell, my black ass is gonna say you need to probably start snoop over Drake.
11:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Me, no, all right, it's also the crying.
12:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also the fingernails like the fingernail painting part of it.
12:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, that's a, that's a, that's a, you think it's a, it's actually if you watch Caleb Williams last year and that parts of this year and you still weren't on board, like that's a you thing.
12:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, now listen, um, when I do it, no, do I care?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, do I care less because you're winning?
12:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
12:27
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
12:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like some of the things that we let get in the way of the truth is baffling.
12:33
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
12:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally baffling.
12:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not what this discussion was about.
12:36
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the beating of Pintence.
12:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to get Ben Johnson one more thing, but one little shred of credit because I do think Ben Johnson was outclassed and outmatched by Lefler definitely at a little, had a little something to say after last year.
12:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was Ben Johnson's game plan for Tyson Bayesian to be like throwing in triple coverage when the checkdown is wide open.
13:03
[SPEAKER_00]: like, I don't think that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you give Ben Johnson a little bit of credit.
13:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's part of the game plan.
13:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Tyson Bayon was making poor decisions.
13:11
[SPEAKER_01]: He was going to get to the poor decisions with the football.
13:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
13:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to get to that.
13:16
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
13:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think do I have anything left for Ben Johnson.
13:22
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't win when you're not going to put anybody from the draft on your defense.
13:27
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be sometimes like last year.
13:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We're having to bear us weren't getting any pressure, but the defense was picking off everything and carrying the same thing.
13:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
13:35
[SPEAKER_01]: There going to be times and I know, look, this year, this defense has showed that they can kind of do that, but we need to stop having this defense to be situational.
13:44
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have this defense be a hammer.
13:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And at times when there's injuries is situational, it's commonly situational, which isn't bad, look at where they were until this game.
13:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But you stop playing like on offense, you need to have one of the better physically talented quarterbacks.
14:01
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the fastest Russian cores are running back 10 of them in a great online, but you don't need a good, really nice defense of line.
14:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't say like, that doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, that's what's there.
14:15
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm with you.
14:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
14:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that like didn't feel good, switching to the defense now and the defense of performance which did not get the job done, I actually think the pressure was decent.
14:28
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like, there were moments where yes, Jordan love had all day, but there were a lot of moments where they got pressure and the secondary let them down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The secondary totally let them down.
14:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome worker.
14:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Mosins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mosins.
14:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's one thing to be fast and a motor, but he, he jabbed the hell out of that guy on his right side and that guy, he, it was over for, if this is gonna be majority of Austin Booker, y'all need to go out and get a D.T.
15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
15:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'll say, injuries too.
15:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Dio was flashing to get Dio.
15:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been playing a lot more like what he was supposed to, because I didn't believe now.
15:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I thought his ceiling was coming over, he's been playing a lot more to that ceiling of I can be a dude I can I can be a player out here, you know, I'm saying, I can you if the bad at ball that he got like Dio has been playing better to think is they need a world beater on that line it's just the truth of the matter they need a world beater, but
15:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I introduce you in Khalil Mac?
15:42
[SPEAKER_00]: What about Khalil Mac and then you just see a wire to DT?
15:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You see a world reader and and also how do we know how consistently die of plays on the inside all the time?
15:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Khalil won't be out there all the time, but I feel like you need pressure up the middle.
15:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now if they had a guy if they think about like this if they had a guy that almost the call for double team up the middle.
16:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be interesting to see what sweat, dial and booker could do.
16:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that it would make them great, but I think it would make them it would improve their performance.
16:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'll say this if there's not a tackle out there and you just go out and get a world leader at in.
16:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to argue if they need something on that line on but this too.
16:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said this last year.
16:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get back to the defense.
16:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be honest about Tyson Bage.
16:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyson Bage and almost through four and assumptions last week.
16:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all through.
16:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and it was more because you were right when I'm going all in there being like, Tyson is doing a double cup triple coverage, honestly twice.
16:39
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, he's locked in on coast and lovelin'.
16:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not even just locked in.
16:43
[SPEAKER_01]: He's missing coast and lovelin'.
16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
16:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost when he threw into a triple coverage with coast and right there.
16:50
[SPEAKER_01]: He was to the left from where coast and was even at.
16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you, this, no, this, this, this, this, this, this is a thing, too.
16:57
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my biggest issue and it goes back to the bin thing.
17:01
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not time to be training coast and, I mean, a training, uh, Tyson Bayon, and it's not a knock on Tyson.
17:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you this.
17:08
[SPEAKER_01]: If we didn't have case kingdom and there was no button, no, no quarterback, even though it'd be hard to bring in a backup quarterback that didn't play for.
17:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Detroit to come and learn this system during the season.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: You know if you trade for a backup quarterback unless he's like Joe Flacco It's still may take two to three weeks before you can put them out there after you're starting to get hurt now if you didn't find out case can I'm gonna play I'd be fine trained in Tyson right now.
17:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I would every like a this is what they got the kid hasn't been playing You got to figure out how to use him properly
17:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Knowing the case, Kingdom can play.
17:39
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the time to be training and for a tyson to be gaining experience.
17:43
[SPEAKER_01]: The bears do not have that much room between winning and losing to do stuff like that.
17:48
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the 95 49ers.
17:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where damn nearby halftime the game was over.
17:54
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not that.
17:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that.
17:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You need consistent play from your quarterback position for this team to win.
18:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone because you put all your eggs in the offensive basket.
18:04
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
18:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So stop playing around with this.
18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
18:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a wonderkin.
18:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
18:10
[SPEAKER_01]: One Tyson probably reminds of you a lot of you yourself or whatever.
18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Get out of that out of here.
18:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Play the best quarterback right now that you have on your team.
18:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they really, they've taken the best quarterback.
18:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they make, they made Tyson QB2 for a reason.
18:23
[SPEAKER_00]: They love cute.
18:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They love Tyson for a reason.
18:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's the move.
18:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They extend it.
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to.
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to.
18:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to.
18:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to, you have to
18:39
[SPEAKER_01]: for the third stringer when you just gave him that bread.
18:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Always in sports, follow the money.
18:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always, hey, we just paid him how do we look if we just paid him in cases the guy.
18:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that doesn't, now because of this, it doesn't matter because we all know the truth right now, right?
18:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, case may come in here, stinking up and you may have to go back to Tyson.
19:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying throw Tyson, Beijing out with the bath water.
19:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying right now is in time for him to be learning on the damn job.
19:07
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying right now.
19:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back away from the podium, so you can rock it a little bit.
19:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know because it's hard to say that because Tyson does have experience, right?
19:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He had the starting stretch.
19:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't in Ben Johnson system, Alex.
19:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was true.
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't in Ben Johnson.
19:25
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not, this is a new system.
19:28
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been playing, getting reps in live action, in this system.
19:33
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, he's not, and it's not a good, listen to what I'm saying, everybody.
19:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I know because what I said earlier and y'all all get crazy when we talk about world stuff, when it's like y'all talk about world stuff all the time, look what a hell we are at.
19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point that I'm trying to make is I know that turns it to kin doesn't like Tyson Basically because you're not listening to me.
19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: If you listen to any of these shows, you know I like Tyson Vagin.
19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: The point that I'm making is once you found out that case, Kenom is does not have to sit on a rocking chair and could operate your offense proficiently.
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason to go to Tyson Vagin at this point.
20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just, you're doing a disservice almost to him.
20:07
[SPEAKER_01]: This is bad tape for him!
20:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of us that won't tie some pages to get us starting jobs in place.
20:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Did this game help him?
20:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Did the last game help him?
20:14
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it did not.
20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I look, it almost to be better for him to still show potential and not play to show awards when he does get the chance to play.
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not the biggest issue.
20:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest issue is wins and losses.
20:27
[SPEAKER_01]: In case Keenan was clearly the best guy at this point until proven otherwise.
20:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point that I'm trying to make.
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I hear you.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think to me, it's an evaluation issue.
20:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears just have mis-evaluated.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They're quarterback, you know, and again, and like I think there's, I'm not sure if Huber's is the right word, but there's a missing piece where everybody in the league knows by now.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyson Bayesian doesn't have the omelette.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it so, so much.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And defenses are obviously going to be ready to play against a quarterback who cannot push the ball down the field.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And there wasn't a good enough answer for that from the Bears.
21:09
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears tried pushing it horizontally.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: The Packers were ready for it.
21:13
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears tried doing, you know, they abandoned the run game too soon, but you know, they tried throwing short of the sticks.
21:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They tried doing these middle-of-the-field things.
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And like between Tyson's bad decision-making and his inability to push the ball down the field,
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It just helps the packers defense, you know, like these packers defenders can can scoot you up and they know like the safety.
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Xavier McKinney, right, bald out, undercutting routes because he knows this ball isn't going over my head.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that missing piece of the puzzle where it's like everybody knows this.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody knows this and if you're going to roll this guy out there, you've got to have some sort of answer.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a little bit of design runs, maybe more design runs.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Once the horizontal stuff wasn't working like a few screens worked okay, and that was great, but then like the packer sniffed that out and there was never that response to something that to me was a very like foreseeable thing.
22:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very foreseeable that like okay the packers know they're going on to guy you can't throw out more than 14 yards down the field.
22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to be scooching up.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to be worried about balls going over your head.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you combat that?
22:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I'm not Ben Johnson.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not an offensive wonderkin.
22:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to be that step ahead.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where when we're talking about arms out, we're talking about why we thought case keynum should be the dude moving forward.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, case keynum, ain't Caleb Williams and case keynum can't do some things that Tyson Bayesian can do.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But we saw it right away when he came in, even though there were incomplete passages like just even pushing that ball down the field and that threat of completing passes, which by the way he did against the Eagles, he completed balls down the field like that opens up so so so so much.
22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And the packers again knew it.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how many times the Tyson Bayon throw it deep once once and it was like an excuse me.
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we haven't we haven't taken a shot yet, we should probably do that.
23:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Packers like, yeah, ha ha, that's never going to happen, you know, so like when when that part of that vertical part of the game is missing, there has to be something else to make up for it and the bear what what the bear's tried just the Packers were ready for and there was no response, there was no, there was no counter punch, there was no plan be of like, okay, our plan A to counter act Tyson Bayon's lack of verticality, I thought was missing.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: and also goes to your point on putting some of this on Tyson.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that we talked about from the case keen and victory was how Tyson and Caleb need to look at, it seems like on a decent amount of Ben Johnson plays, there's a release about of a crosser.
23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: about five to six shards right there.
23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to just talk about the dump off to the running back is you saw using this cliff ramen, but you usually see and when the play breaks down, case cat, case cat moving the ball down and feel by hitting that guy.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a high load concepts.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to like further underline, I'm going to let you cook some more, but like the high low concepts, right?
24:08
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always the big shot and that's the primary one.
24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Take the big shot, but if it's not there, just look lower and there's your there's your release valve.
24:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of Davis is talking to the high low read stuff cases making all the high low reads, Tyson made none of the high low reads.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And he kept so I like you bring that point up even more, where it seems like even with the high low, there's a guy, a mid guy, which a lot of times
24:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, he was, and I mean Tyson was locked in on that guy and that guy was been triple now say this I don't I'm sad I don't know if Tyson has a little bit of issue with layering, but also as it just he's throwing in the triple coverage so what doesn't even matter and you know I'm saying even though if you can layer you can still get it done like that, but you have to be nice with what you're doing you don't have to never have to.
24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and that's just where again, like both of the quarterbacks is Caleb and Tyson can learn from when case uses that to keep the ball keep the plate keep the series going and you saw that to Alex's point that even though case was off, he still was doing the things quickly to make sure that they tried to keep the ball going in the series open.
25:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it is no question that if Caleb Williams isn't
25:25
[SPEAKER_01]: if Caleb isn't back and he starts Tyson, the fire that will be lit under us will be everlasting and ever burning.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's just because it's now, look, I mean, look at what, look at their record right now, right?
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you put it in the text.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Those, those are two else in the division.
25:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and two.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The Vikings won, I'll get you that one, cause the month's almost taking place.
25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but this one, like, and you, you see literally, he looked, he pulled it out with the switch on it.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And then his foot, and go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He shot the team in the foot, but not putting out the better quarterback at this point.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, for anybody who's taking them taking shots of Tyson, it's not that.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know case games still had anything in them.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess case kingdom knew.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so there was one person in the room, but the fact that against the rival,
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is, dude, my, I was cocky talking crash talking trash on Thursday show.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the rival you played and you got beat up.
26:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You got your ass met, right?
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You got your ass met.
26:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy when they did the handshake.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He stood and he looked.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt LaFlor in the face.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He made it a point.
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a lot of it.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look him in the face because you know what you was playing with this man and that man.
26:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, shots of Matt LaFlor for always taking the high row.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I don't care.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I can't have been the same way that with the Caleb and the fingernail stuff or whatever.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I got friends.
26:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a friend in my chat that was so hot about Ben Johnson talking about he wants to score this many points, right?
27:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like out there he eats.
27:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, bro, that's all.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he got to go prove that.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, for me, like, I know you look, the thing is this.
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get you one, right?
27:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So people, how am I making people mad with this?
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I look so good, check the chat.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will always say there's a difference between Pete Rose and PD users, right?
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Because when Pete Rose didn't bet on his team, he told bookies that his team didn't have the best chance to go out there and win.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, when Pete Rose did bet on his team, I bet he used that bull, the hell out that damn bull pin or that starter to try to make sure he got to the win, compromising that the next game or the game after because he taxed the pitchers, point being a PD user.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the thing about PD user.
27:49
[SPEAKER_01]: His, what he's doing helps you win, period.
27:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't take away from you winning through.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Roger Clemens on PD's, did it hurt his body?
27:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I'm not, I'm not even one of those guys.
28:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, let all the PD uses it.
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me leave with that book.
28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Clemens and punch, probably be it.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Just they were your whole family's before.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Discussion for another day.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, Kenneth, you're doing a lot.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Fast-pissing me off.
28:09
[SPEAKER_00]: What on earth does this have to do with vengeance?
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna tell you what this has to do with vengeance.
28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm happy that you, you're bringing me back to that, right?
28:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing is that I'm going to tell you, I'm happy you said that.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you why I brings back some of what my friend had to say.
28:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So a PD user breaking the rules even though that wasn't in the rules at the time breaking the rules regardless everything he's doing is to benefit the team he benefits the benefit him at first.
28:34
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing he can do is play more, play longer, heal faster, hit the ball out of wider, have better eyesight to do what he's doing.
28:42
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason I'm connected to Ben Johnson is when my friend makes that comment about Ben Johnson scoring more points than Peyton Manning's Broncos, regardless of if he fails, Ben Johnson, what he would do was still set the bears up to win every game because he's trying to score the most points.
28:57
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it doesn't offend me.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the point why I'm trying to bring that was why I was trying to bring it all bad.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for helping me because I actually was drifted.
29:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I needed you.
29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to check you even further.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I just, no, it wasn't, I forgot my, I forgot my tether.
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And you, I like, I needed like, I forgot my tether into what sent me over there.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, people get mad over stuff and again, it's, it's not right to get mad.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's just we get mad over stuff that didn't even that serious to get mad off of.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this game.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get upset.
29:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt, it's big enough a lot, but you could be upset because they, I don't know if they, I don't know if they could, I don't know if they could a one this game about it looks have it perhaps not even with case.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I started good up.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, Alex, you guys, defense was bad, but they like were put in bad situations.
29:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, here's, here's the crux of the issue.
29:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Bears had a full house.
29:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They got the boat of turnovers.
29:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Three picks, two fumbles.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a full house, man.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You're beating a flush with that.
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a strong hand.
30:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, when you can't take care of the football like that, you're not gonna win many games.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If they don't have five turnovers, five, they don't have three interceptions and two fumbles.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a better chance to win.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they have a guy who can push the ball down feel it a little bit if they don't ignore the Andre Swift, if they leave him a field longer for whatever reason, Rochon Johnson play in so many steps, you know, there are decisions that were made in this game that I think if you change, I had full of them, I think the bears are way more competitive in this football game.
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a blowout until later to be honest, I think you know, I think.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you could be right.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I would lean your way.
30:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still going to say that look what happened happened.
30:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, let's just say both teams didn't miss field goals.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: This would have been 37 to 10.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Packers miss like a thousand field goals and I could take advantage of that.
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't they did it all right, so I get my point my point being that this could have just been a victory Regardless we never know if it was a swiff we be all because you when I was thinking of that when you said out that you said the Andre Swift So I wanted to use that But no, it's just again.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know you know I'm saying I don't know if they could have been this is another thing that goes back to our last conversation from Thursday
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We were just talking about assets you said the pack are going to get hot all they need is like one of those games and I don't know or since going back like a person's coming back that's what I'm saying like all they need it when you think about the fact that they only had three turnovers and you gave them 50.
31:48
[SPEAKER_01]: When you think about Jordan love clicking in the way to Jordan love clicked in the end clicked in like that since the first game of the season really You know what I'm saying like all you need to do this always out with the packers is give them a game so they can go on the run Now look down thumb up there and go through another fuck that's that could be that's easily said
32:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But this could be that game that can send them on a tear.
32:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just frustrated by Ben Johnson.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, first of all, first of all, I love Ben Johnson.
32:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I love, I won't say trust today.
32:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben, you don't have the trust today.
32:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Ben Johnson hit as far as, if I'm a hip-hop hit, it's that's the same analogy I'm using, your free-cazoids.
32:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a binge-outs and do, and you let me down, man.
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And I usually take up for you, but you really, this one, you let me down, and I hope that you gain something from this.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing, too, thinking about a young coach with that is succeeded, this succeeded through adversity, too.
32:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying, to where you do sometimes you get cocky, we all can have been cocky in our day and you need some humble pie and I hope he takes this humble pie and those like sometimes you just can't be playing with people like you and all like this, this is for this is the NFL and you just can't be like, I want to go with this guy because I want you got to be like, I got to go with the best guy at this time to make sure because thing about it like this, we've talked at Nazim in the off season about how difficult the best schedule is right.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: What if it's one or two victories that makes it make it if you get the wild car or one or two victors if you win the division?
33:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the Vikings game, that's that was the Vikings game.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And Caleb got hurt, right?
33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Swift fumbled on the gola.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: That that's not all Ben Johnson is much.
33:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But this, this is on you right here where you're best quarterback should have been out there.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, it's the pack.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can't play, you just can't mess around.
33:39
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't, you just can't mess around.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And then give us something, man.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, that's frustrating.
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: This was, this was, this was a hard watch, bro.
33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this right here.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's the Packers in Labo.
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this was, I mean,
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: The bruise in the playoffs, we're out, shout out to the socks, we appreciate everything you guys did this year.
34:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But woof, this was this man, I felt like I got disrespected.
34:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I got disrespected respectfully because, remember, we could have ran it up.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Now look for what could have been like, let me show you something.
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Because literally the last three series wasn't like it was really trying to go for it.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But, man, I'm not here to ask that.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, real quick, too, is Alex's only audio.
34:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I got another apology to make.
34:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody in the chat, and Alex shows me the funny stuff in the chat, I had made a comment in his hilarious.
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't talk in about Braxton Jones and Braxton didn't even play.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this had some sort of fun, like I'm with my lady, and I'm getting mad about Braxton Jones and does it.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: That was hilarious, all right.
34:45
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that, I wanna point out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The open of it, when the world was going on in the day, like, woo, whoa, where's Braxon Jones at when I need him?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Braxon, my bad, my bad, anytime you want to get back the files to get back, please come up back.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: But woo, that one right there, I mean.
35:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know the crazy part,
35:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was similar, I hold up.
35:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I know some of was bootleg, but some of those quick twist by Tyson.
35:15
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the, oh, Justin Cameron, Rex and twist, and it was like, what's going on?
35:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Men, when he just let the edge of the attack, the quarterback, okay?
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually wrote my notes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Theo's working for the package right now is what I put in my notes.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt Alex.
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[SPEAKER_01]: be able to stuff.
35:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I thought of that comment.
35:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought of you when watching Theo Benedict get kind of cooked.
35:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So listen, maybe this was just a wake up call for the Tyson Bayesian crowd.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this is a wake up call for folks who are like Braxton Jones.
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: is awful and like is Braxton Jones not the best left tackle in the NFL.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that.
36:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that, but but again, like he serviceable.
36:07
[SPEAKER_00]: The yeah, man.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He's serviceable and serve the open it and had a tough Game I mean there were there multiple moments of that way too many guys going on blocked way too many guys going on blocked not all not all on the Bandit so I'm not gonna like say this is all the event that's it problem, but like or I got it we do
36:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Discussed in a certain draft time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the Penn State guy.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Penn State guy.
36:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, did you know I washed him.
36:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Had that one time he hit case The guy that was coming from the other side was about the heat case
36:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, even wanted him and he, he walked case, but the opposing edge was about to barley walk case to him.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, wait, nobody had enough.
36:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I don't got, you know, I had to go back and see how many they sent on that one.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not take time to go back to see how many they sent.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a situation like that.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, oh man, was that, was that game?
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, oh man, have the packers.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I know this goes off of Tyson Bajans played majority of this game too.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, and they've been waiting for that game.
37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that that was that was what I wanted to equals to do you know just just exactly and that's what I said last week.
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like package.
37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to I didn't want them to win, but I wanted them to play like they were hate hating the bears like that carpet stuff.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because again, it sucks.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a badspair.
37:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, this the only way this team is going to get better.
37:37
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, they keep just going through it.
37:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a walk in the park.
37:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to get better.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
37:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They need to be tested.
37:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Stress tested.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They need games like this to really look at the mirror and know that people in the league will say they were the best team in NFC this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On a three level network.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They need to know, not yet.
37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, slow that down right now.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some ways to go before you can start making those announcements.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some other victories you have to make in the playoffs before you can really start making that in those announcements.
38:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Not taking the way.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
38:08
[SPEAKER_00]: If there is a silver lining of this loft, it is that it was a beat down start to finish.
38:13
[SPEAKER_00]: All three phases pretty much.
38:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, these looks good.
38:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got time to stop them.
38:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got time to stop and I should just want to leave for a minute.
38:21
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right, Muff Pond.
38:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't miss kick with another like way too much heat on Cairo back cover.
38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Cairo misses back coverage back every like.
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They ran it back to like the 30 on one of those like that listen all three phases are just absolute beat down.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So like that to me is probably more valuable this team that if they had lost a close one, you know, they're like, oh, well, we nearly had them it's like, no, you got dominated in all three phases and it really is a look in the mirror moment, if there was hubris in that building if there was hubris in that locker room.
39:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring it back to the Odyssey, which was my extra point a little bit of go if there are feeling like Odysseus if they're Matt Damon like let me just pop cyclops in the eye on the way out real quick, you know that's him with the with the handshake right Ben Johnson it wasn't enough from to get the big deal he had to get it go in and snub them with the handshake just like pop in the cyclops in the eye if you had a little Matt Damon you bris
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It might, you know, it might be beneficial to be humbled like this in week five.
39:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bad to go into in your division, to drop to go into in your division, that is bad.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But you wanna have a humiliating defeat like this in week five rather than week 16 or rather than the wild card game.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So if there is a silver lining, it is that,
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: this happened now and then they can they can come correct the next time the bears did not come correct this week so you know they're
39:56
[SPEAKER_00]: there's going to be a lot to talk about in that film room.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a lot to talk about when they look at that tape and we'll see, we'll see how they respond.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears have been very good about responding to adversity in the past.
40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: This new bears regime, let's see how they respond.
40:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a super scary gauntlet coming up before this buy.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The patriots are looking better, so maybe the patriots are tough, but there are a lot of winnable games coming
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: and let's see how they handle it going into the buy and then see how they come out of the buy.
40:30
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, anything else?
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: No game balls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None.
40:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No game balls.
40:36
[SPEAKER_01]: No game balls.
40:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, balls.
40:39
[SPEAKER_01]: No game balls for the last one before we get out of here.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say that's a new record.
40:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So for those following at home, this is a new record.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: One, two, three, four, five, six,
40:52
[SPEAKER_00]: 7 audio drops us a new windy city record and a game like this.
40:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was a record setting performance.
40:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So make it all the sense in the world.
41:02
[SPEAKER_01]: For Alex Shapiro, I'm kind of Davis, we'll be back later on this week to preview the Atlanta Falcons game about to say the Hawks.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, too, that Falcons game, that's not gonna be just a walk in the park right now.
41:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Panics is dealing.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: The pinics is dealing the bears.
41:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We can say the pinics is dealing the bears, may bounce back to the department, since they play well, the bears may jump on them, because this bears team still has this equality team.
41:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, that's not, that's not the Falcons right now.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point in the season, where you look past them, um, I would say, I'll tell you this, the bears were the one in the day that Falcons game would have been a track game.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't be a trap game.
41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Not because you're going to get back on the winter record.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can, there are no such things trap games coming off of.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you get into one to seven losses at part right there?
41:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's not a trap game.
41:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, everybody will see you sometime later on this week to preview bears