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Scheme Insider: What Went Wrong With The Buckeyes' Pass Protection At Iowa? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Wednesday, October 7th. I'm
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  Speaker 1: we're going to welcome in our newest scheme insider at buckeyeinsiders.com.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Justin Whitlatch. think we may have done
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  Speaker 1: one show on YouTube, but we've also had a couple
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  Speaker 1: where we've had them just exclusive to our members at BuckeyeInsiders.com.
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  Speaker 1: And those were very, very popular shows and had very
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  Speaker 1: lively and active comment threads on our board. So welcoming
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  Speaker 1: in Justin Whitlatch. And Justin, we'll sort of let you
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  Speaker 1: introduce yourself for people who maybe have not seen you
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  Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel before. On the offensive side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball, Michael Pettit is kind of a defensive specialist.
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  Speaker 1: You're a little more on the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 1: But you have a thing for trench play, which so
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  Speaker 1: many good football coaches do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to join.
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  Speaker 2: Really good friends with Ross and all those guys. And
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  Speaker 2: it's been awesome working with you guys so far. I'm
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  Speaker 2: from Columbus. Went to Canine Winchester High School where I
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  Speaker 2: played ball there. Went to Capital where I was a GA.
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  Speaker 2: I got my first love of the game up front.
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  Speaker 2: I was a GA with the offensive line there. That's
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  Speaker 2: where I fell in love with the game. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's– I mean, I went to school to be a teacher,
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  Speaker 2: but when you're a GA, that's when you learn the
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  Speaker 2: professional football. And so I'll be forever grateful for the
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  Speaker 2: guys that let me join that staff. That's where I
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  Speaker 2: really learned the game. And then there I've coached at
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  Speaker 2: Upper Arlington, Canal Winchester High School, and Bishop Reedy, where
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  Speaker 2: I was the OC and quarterbacks coach. I did coach
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  Speaker 2: a couple years offensive line as well. But, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: more– I'm more privy to the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Can't stand those defensive guys. It's so boring on that side.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's kind of my history. I love the game,
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  Speaker 2: especially Ohio state living in Columbus family. And I were
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  Speaker 2: big Buckeye fan. So be able to break the game down.
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  Speaker 2: It's just been awesome so far.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So there you go. So if you ever
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  Speaker 1: see Justin and Michael Pettit at one of our live events,
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  Speaker 1: make sure you stay between them, keep those guys apart.
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  Speaker 1: They are natural enemies in the wild, those offensive guys.
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  Speaker 2: And the defensive guys.
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  Speaker 1: So, All right. So on today's show, like any good coach,
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  Speaker 1: do we want to talk about the great stuff and say, hooray,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith? No, we are going to break down some
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  Speaker 1: stuff that did not go well because we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be talking specifically about the offensive line and some of
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  Speaker 1: the past pro issues they had in this episode. And
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  Speaker 1: we were talking before the show that the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a bad game, but there were certainly plays
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  Speaker 1: where they had some issues. So we're going to run
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  Speaker 1: through four of them and just sort of some areas
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  Speaker 1: where They ran into some issues and stuff they probably
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  Speaker 1: need to get cleaned up. First one, this is one
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  Speaker 1: where I've seen this a couple times this year where
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  Speaker 1: you're asking someone to come across the formation. This case
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  Speaker 1: is Nate Roberts. Come across the formation to pick up
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  Speaker 1: the guy off the edge. That is a tough block
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  Speaker 1: to pick up. We were just watching the Michigan game.
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  Speaker 1: They had a play where they had a tight end
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  Speaker 1: trying to come across and did not pick up the
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  Speaker 1: guy because that is a tough, that's a big ask.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is where the biggest part of
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  Speaker 2: where Ohio State struggled, I thought, Saturday. And don't get
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  Speaker 2: me wrong, I thought offensive line improved, especially in the
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  Speaker 2: run game. But I think some of the takeaways for
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  Speaker 2: me as a coach is where can we get better?
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  Speaker 2: And I think off of their under center play action
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  Speaker 2: and then off their play action shot concepts, I think
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  Speaker 2: is where they can improve. And in the first clip
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  Speaker 2: that we're seeing here, we're in full slide play action.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, and what that means is everybody, including
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  Speaker 2: your tight end in the formation here, is in full slide. Typically,
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  Speaker 2: when you run full slide protection is when you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to take a shot or you're running some type of
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  Speaker 2: naked off of it. But in this situation, they're running
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  Speaker 2: a shot concept off of it. And again, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: asking a tight end to come across on full slide
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  Speaker 2: is a hard ask. Typically, you want to put tight
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  Speaker 2: ends on linebacker bodies. But Ohio State runs a ton
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  Speaker 2: of split zone. And this is the same look off
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  Speaker 2: a split zone. So this is kind of some of
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  Speaker 2: their under center play action They like the outside zone
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  Speaker 2: off of it, the outside zone split zone where your
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  Speaker 2: tight end's coming across. But in this clip here, you'll
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  Speaker 2: see up front that everybody's in full slide. So you
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  Speaker 2: see your right tackle, your right guard, center, left guard,
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  Speaker 2: and left tackle all in full slide protection. All you
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  Speaker 2: need your tight end to do in this situation is
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  Speaker 2: pretty much get in his way or at least give
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  Speaker 2: Julian half a second. And you'll see in this situation
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  Speaker 2: here that he's really low to the defensive end. the
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  Speaker 2: DN there is able to hard ride that inside because
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  Speaker 2: typically with your DNs, when they see a tackle block down,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to ride that as far as they can inside.
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  Speaker 2: Tight ends need to know that. So in this situation,
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  Speaker 2: either you're able to cut him loose or you're able
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  Speaker 2: to ride him to the sideline or you're going to
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  Speaker 2: have to reach block that. In this situation, if he's
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  Speaker 2: going to ride it so far down inside, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to reach this as a tight end. And I know
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to get beat inside But he's riding
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  Speaker 2: it so far down inside that you've got to be
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  Speaker 2: able to get to his outside shoulders and then try
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  Speaker 2: to run him down. And I think that's the big
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  Speaker 2: issue here in this shot play action is we've got
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  Speaker 2: to be able to take care of that D-end. And
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  Speaker 2: I think you'll see this again in some later clips
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  Speaker 2: as well as tight ends just struggling in pass pro.
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  Speaker 2: And it's hard to ask them during practice. Tight ends
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  Speaker 2: typically aren't with your own line doing pass pro. Typically
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  Speaker 2: they start in their indie drills where they're working their
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  Speaker 2: route concepts, kind of alignment. What do we got to
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  Speaker 2: take care of this week? What's the front look like? Typically,
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  Speaker 2: they're spending maybe 10, 15 minutes in pass pro, maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more at Ohio State. But asking them
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  Speaker 2: to do that is a hard ask. It's not uncommon.
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  Speaker 2: But versus Iowa, I think they kind of struggled in
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  Speaker 2: that aspect.
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  Speaker 1: The second play we're going to be looking at has
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  Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. Under center, got some play action,
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  Speaker 1: looking to.
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  Speaker 2: Take a shot.
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  Speaker 1: This is one where the pressure comes right up the A-gap.
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  Speaker 1: And we know quarterbacks love pressure right in their faces,
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  Speaker 1: right up the A-gap, right? But this is one where
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  Speaker 1: I think you can look at this and you can
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  Speaker 1: sort of slide this back and forward. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: there's at least a conversation where does he just need
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  Speaker 1: to let this ball go early and try and trust
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith to run under it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree. I think Julian, I think here
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  Speaker 2: you can take the shot. I think you've got the time.
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  Speaker 2: I know you feel as a quarterback, you definitely feel
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  Speaker 2: the pressure as soon as you come off of it
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  Speaker 2: because you have to turn your back away off of
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  Speaker 2: this play action. You don't feel comfortable. That's why quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: talk a lot about, can I keep my eyes downfield
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  Speaker 2: on the ride? Because when you're not, you're blind. You
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  Speaker 2: turn around, you really don't have any idea how well
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  Speaker 2: you're blocking it up front. But if you want to
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  Speaker 2: look at it from the offensive O-line perspective, Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: ran a ton of power on Saturday. And I thought
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  Speaker 2: they ran it really well. I think they averaged like
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  Speaker 2: four or five a pop on it. So I think
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  Speaker 2: they blocked it really well compared to what they have
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  Speaker 2: within their gap scheme. They've been really a counter team
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  Speaker 2: this year, but I thought power looked really good. So
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  Speaker 2: what do you do off of that? You run the
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  Speaker 2: play action shot off of it. And I think Arthur's
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  Speaker 2: doing a great job of really marrying his schemes together
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  Speaker 2: in this situation. He's doing that. He's trying to get
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  Speaker 2: a shot here to Jeremiah, which it's a great shot.
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  Speaker 2: It's open. I think the post safety plays it down
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  Speaker 2: and he's able to be one-on-one with the corner, but
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  Speaker 2: you're running what's called power play action up front. So
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  Speaker 2: everything looks the same up front. in terms of power.
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  Speaker 2: So front side, which is your right guard, right tackle,
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  Speaker 2: and the heavy tackle here in this situation, everybody would
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  Speaker 2: be blocking down, blocking down on your inside gap. Okay. Backside,
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  Speaker 2: your pointer guard for the in-man line of scrimmage, and
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  Speaker 2: then your backside tackle is going to step and hinge.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But in this situation, when you run shots off your power,
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  Speaker 2: your counter play action, it's a really hard ask of
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  Speaker 2: your center to block back on a two-eye or a
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  Speaker 2: three to because you're opening so open yourself up so
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  Speaker 2: much with the backside guard pulling there's that space for
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  Speaker 2: your backside either two eye or three to work with
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  Speaker 2: so as he pulls and you'll see in this situation
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  Speaker 2: he tries to follow the poor and get inside of
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  Speaker 2: it center does is able to get his hands backside
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  Speaker 2: but you can tell based on his body leverage and
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  Speaker 2: how high he is that he's able not to get
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  Speaker 2: his hands inside and defeat that block and ultimately he
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  Speaker 2: gets beat in this situation but that's a really hard
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  Speaker 2: ask of your center. You should be able to do
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  Speaker 2: it realistically. Um, but again, this is something, and what I've,
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  Speaker 2: what I love about Arthur is he's bringing new play
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  Speaker 2: action concepts weekly based off of their run game. And
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  Speaker 2: this is kind of a new play action we haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen yet from them, um, is making it look just
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  Speaker 2: like power. And again, that's just a really hard ask. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I think you can continue building upon it. Um, but yeah, that,
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  Speaker 2: I would hope moving forward they work that concept more
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  Speaker 2: and then we get better and we progress through it,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the next one, this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a flashback, I think, for Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State fans. Because I know we talked a bunch last
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  Speaker 1: year with Ross about, you know, they sometimes struggled on
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  Speaker 1: the line with stunts and twists and teams playing games
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  Speaker 1: up front. This is one where that gets them here.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, so... And this is another aspect where I think
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State struggled a little bit. It was third and medium,
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  Speaker 2: third and long. Iowa did a really good job of
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  Speaker 2: showing exotic fronts. And if you remember, they even had
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  Speaker 2: some of their D tackles moving pre-snap, walking back and
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  Speaker 2: forth up front on the line of scrimmage. And again,
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  Speaker 2: for an offensive lineman, you can't stand that. As a coach,
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  Speaker 2: that's really hard to prepare for and to game plan for.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got to have some answers. And here, like
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  Speaker 2: I've talked about in some of the videos we've posted,
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State is a half-slide team. And you'll see you
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  Speaker 2: always want to think half slide will always be away
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  Speaker 2: from your back. So your back is aligned on the
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  Speaker 2: left side. It'll be half slide to your right. So
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  Speaker 2: your right tackle should be C gap. Your right guard
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  Speaker 2: should be B gap. And then your center should be
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  Speaker 2: a gap. okay backside you should be one-on-one with the
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  Speaker 2: walked up three and then your tackle should be walk
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  Speaker 2: one-on-one to walked up five okay your back should be
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  Speaker 2: responsible for the walked up linebacker but in this situation
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  Speaker 2: iowa does a really good job what do they do
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  Speaker 2: here this is attacking your pass pro they know that
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  Speaker 2: they're half slide team they know that the center is
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  Speaker 2: going to work to the play side a so you'll
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  Speaker 2: see in this situation the walked up backer instead of
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  Speaker 2: attacking the quarterback attacks the center. So he attacks the
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  Speaker 2: center's outside shoulder, pins him down inside, and that gives,
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  Speaker 2: you see there, the walked up three, an opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: stunt away from the center, and then he's a free
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  Speaker 2: runner to the quarterback. So in my mind, that's a
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  Speaker 2: win from your defense. Defense coordinator did a really good
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  Speaker 2: job of attacking the protection in that situation. Moving forward
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  Speaker 2: as the center and running back, we've got to be
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  Speaker 2: able to communicate that. If the back sees that he's
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  Speaker 2: really attacking the center and not me, I've got to
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  Speaker 2: fall back, and I've got to be able to catch
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  Speaker 2: the stunt coming at me. So in this situation, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to communicate. You don't really see this often. But
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  Speaker 2: this is, I think, chalked up to the win as
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  Speaker 2: the DC. But again, it's good to have on film
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  Speaker 2: because moving forward, you can have a plan for it.
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  Speaker 2: And you can talk through this with your back and
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  Speaker 2: your center of, hey, if we get this done again,
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  Speaker 2: this is how we're going to handle it.
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  Speaker 1: And then the last one we want to look at,
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  Speaker 1: this is just.
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  Speaker 2: A corner blitz.
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  Speaker 1: And this is another situation where it's like you can't
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  Speaker 1: really fault the guy. It's hard for a tackle to
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  Speaker 1: get out there on a corner on the blitz. But
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  Speaker 1: this is one where When we get to the end
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  Speaker 1: zone view, I'm going to start this clip a little earlier. Normally,
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  Speaker 1: we sort of start it right at the snap. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start this earlier so you can see the guy,
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  Speaker 1: there's a tight end that goes in motion. The corner
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  Speaker 1: goes out in motion, out with the tight end, which
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  Speaker 1: feels like that feels like in your mind, you're thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe man, maybe, you know, the last thing you're thinking
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  Speaker 1: is corner blitz, which this is one where I'm really
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  Speaker 1: kind of sympathizing with Ian.
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  Speaker 2: Moore a little bit on this one. Yeah, and you
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  Speaker 2: can see after the snap, he's got his hands up
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  Speaker 2: like there's no one going to communicate. Like Gruden calls
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  Speaker 2: this corner cat. It's a pretty popular pressure concept in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. And, again, you've got to have a plan
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  Speaker 2: for it. In this situation, you've got a really athletic
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  Speaker 2: guy on a tackle, and they haven't seen this concept
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  Speaker 2: yet a lot this year of attacking their pressures. And
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  Speaker 2: I just wanted to put this on video as to
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  Speaker 2: it's going to continue happening defensive coordinators see that it
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  Speaker 2: was successful, they're going to start bringing it more often.
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  Speaker 2: But you'll see that their five tech goes inside to
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  Speaker 2: B and tackle, I think actually does a really good
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  Speaker 2: job of knowing, okay, he's going to be, someone's coming
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  Speaker 2: out to C gap. That's going to be my responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: I think on the snap, I think the issue is
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  Speaker 2: we're not setting our feet vertically. Anytime as a tackle
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  Speaker 2: that I'm getting a speed rusher and this situation, this
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  Speaker 2: is a speed rush. You're getting a DB rushing the
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  Speaker 2: quarterback and, This would be like a really wide nine.
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  Speaker 2: Think wide nine in the NFL. I'm getting a speed
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  Speaker 2: rush and I've got to have a plan for it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the same thing in this situation. What I teach
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  Speaker 2: on my offensive lineman, if we've got a pressure from
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  Speaker 2: a nickel or a corner and he's attacking me as
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  Speaker 2: the tackle, I've got to vertically set as far as
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  Speaker 2: possible and as fast as possible. And if he beats
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  Speaker 2: me inside, at least I've got my inside hand to
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  Speaker 2: be able to club to get inside of him. But
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  Speaker 2: in this situation, we're too slow off the snap and
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  Speaker 2: I think we're not vertically setting like we should to
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  Speaker 2: be able to meet him before he meets our quarterback
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  Speaker 2: in Julian. So, again, I put this on there. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen again. Corner cat is really popular, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you've just got to get better at that
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  Speaker 2: position of vertically setting and making sure you've got that
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  Speaker 2: plan moving forward.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and before I let you go, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to mention your Twitter handle, and there's a reason for this,
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  Speaker 1: so hang on. He's at wingt underscore football. So, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking, okay, this is a man with an appreciation
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  Speaker 1: for the classics and the old school. Okay, we got it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, got it.
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  Speaker 1: This is, of all the years, to be a guy
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  Speaker 1: with at Wing T Football as your Twitter handle and
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  Speaker 1: be breaking down Ohio State football games and upcoming opponents.
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  Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and the Northwestern Wildcats. First of all, that
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  Speaker 1: was a clinic against Penn State last week. And how
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  Speaker 1: excited are you to have all that is old be
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  Speaker 1: new again in the Big Ten?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw all the clips just run through Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, I'm a Wing T guy at heart. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: I've evolved since then. But I'm really excited to dive
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  Speaker 2: into Chip's film because it looks like he's in that attitude.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to run what I want to run, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't really care what anybody thinks. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's when Chip's at his best. So I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to see what winky concepts he had because he was–
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was times where they were in two
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  Speaker 2: tight end sets with two backs or with a wing
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  Speaker 2: and two backs, and they had no receivers on the field.
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  Speaker 2: And they're running trap. They're running trap option. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: really excited to see what he ran. That's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember a couple years ago at Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: the first– snap of the spring game. They were in
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  Speaker 1: the robust tee, and he sort of passed this off
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