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Batman: The Movie (1966) - Leslie H. Martinson | Houselights #284: Wing of Batman · Houselights: A Film Director Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palty.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to House Lights, our director discussion show here
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  Speaker 2: on the Nerd Party Network. This week, we're beginning the
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  Speaker 2: wing of Batman a whole summer celebrating the Cape Crusader
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes the Dynamic Duo. Each week will be covering
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  Speaker 2: a different director and sometimes singular, sometimes multiple films that
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  Speaker 2: they've added to the bat legend, starting with the nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty six Batman The Movie, a direct movie tie in
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  Speaker 2: for the on air Batman nineteen sixties television show Bam Pow.
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  Speaker 3: It's the team up of the century, the Joker, the Riddler,
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  Speaker 3: the Penguin and Catwoman. Can Batman and the Boy Wonder
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  Speaker 3: Pot possibly stop for super villains At the same time?
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  Speaker 3: Will the additional bat vehicles spur on toy sales and
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  Speaker 3: the imaginations of American youth. I am Darren Moser, inventor
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  Speaker 3: of the super molecular dust separator. Hey, I've only got
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  Speaker 3: one client so far, but it's worth it. And picking
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  Speaker 3: up the red batphone is Commissioner Tristan Riddell.
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  Speaker 4: Holy smokes.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the President on the other line and sending
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  Speaker 2: us messages via Polaris Rocket.
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  Speaker 5: It says who has the dough. When you don't know
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  Speaker 5: his name, he lives for making flour just the same.
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  Speaker 5: It's John Mills, ah.
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  Speaker 2: Gentleman, atomic batteries, to power, turbines to speed, ready to
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  Speaker 2: roll out.
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  Speaker 3: It's Batman the movie.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it is the first full length feature film featuring
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  Speaker 6: the Cape Crusader.
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  Speaker 7: We had to start here. We had to have to
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  Speaker 7: start here. That's absolutely to start this wing of Batman
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  Speaker 7: and this summer House. If you will, you need to
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  Speaker 7: start with Batman the Movie nineteen sixty.
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  Speaker 6: Six, which is a complicated choice in and of itself,
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  Speaker 6: because so much of Batman that started in the eighties
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  Speaker 6: was a response to how much people like myself and
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  Speaker 6: my brother hated the nineteen sixties Batman because I mean,
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  Speaker 6: for me, it was because that show I didn't get
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  Speaker 6: as a kid. I'm watching it on reruns. I didn't
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  Speaker 6: get it. I didn't get the joke. And it was
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  Speaker 6: on as this block of shows when it was too
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  Speaker 6: absolutely god awful hot to go outside, and I would
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  Speaker 6: sit there in the summers and it was like there
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  Speaker 6: were shows I wanted to watch in shows I did not.
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  Speaker 6: Going outside was no longer an option. Hiding in the
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  Speaker 6: dark was and it was like Batman was what you
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  Speaker 6: endured to get through it, and it became a thing
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  Speaker 6: where my brother and I would make.
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  Speaker 7: Fun of it.
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  Speaker 6: We would hate watch it together. And then you know,
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  Speaker 6: you get the dark and gritty Batman coming up in
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  Speaker 6: the late eighties, the death wish response, yeah he was
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  Speaker 6: a real and Frank Miller yeah, but you go back
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  Speaker 6: to the nineteen sixties Batman and you suddenly realize it's
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  Speaker 6: the only one. Well I mean, well maybe not necessarily
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  Speaker 6: the only one, but it was for a time. It's
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  Speaker 6: such an artifact of movie studio not trying to allow
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  Speaker 6: adults to pretend like their childhood thing was mature, but
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  Speaker 6: to be like, look, guys, let's be honest here. Okay,
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  Speaker 6: this is just this is a comic book. Comic books
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  Speaker 6: for kids, right, let's just do this, And you know
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  Speaker 6: it's Batman and the era of Father Knows Best and
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  Speaker 6: you know the Partridge fan Well, the Partridge Family was later,
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  Speaker 6: but you get the monkeys and stuff like that. That's
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  Speaker 6: the era of this Batman. And as a result, I
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  Speaker 6: think it's just I've done such a one eighty on
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  Speaker 6: the series and this movie over time that it's just
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  Speaker 6: it spins my own head around.
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  Speaker 4: Well, one of the things I.
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  Speaker 2: Like about the Batman, you know, Batman the movie, is
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  Speaker 2: you don't need to have seen the show. It is
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  Speaker 2: fully self contained. If this is all you saw on
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  Speaker 2: a rerun or someone had it on VHS, like, it
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  Speaker 2: gives you every piece of information you need to know.
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  Speaker 2: You need to know that Batman and Robin are fully
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  Speaker 2: deputized members of the police community, and they're going to
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  Speaker 2: tell you that. But it's yeah, it stands on its own.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like, you know, greetings Marvel fans, hope you
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  Speaker 2: watched episode three of season one, or you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: know who this is. It introduces all the characters. It's
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  Speaker 2: got the most ridiculous setup, but it works because it's like,
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  Speaker 2: what's bad about four super villains at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Must be trying to take over the world. Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: could buy I buy that. I know the stakes, I
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  Speaker 2: know what's going on, and yeah, it's but it is
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  Speaker 2: a fun ride. It really is. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: they made it in twenty eight days. It's obviously using
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  Speaker 2: a vast amount of assets from the show.
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  Speaker 6: So imagine, imagine, though you have a hit TV show,
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  Speaker 6: it's a bigger hit than you anticipated. And your response is,
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  Speaker 6: all right, we got a month. Everybody clear your schedules.
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  Speaker 6: We're making a movie, and you make it and it's
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  Speaker 6: released and it's for you know, for the goals that
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  Speaker 6: you set for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: It's successful.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that world is gone for all time. It's never
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  Speaker 6: coming back. And you look at this and you're like,
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  Speaker 6: maybe we lost something here. Guys like, how do we
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  Speaker 6: get this back?
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  Speaker 7: And that's why they that's why Fox got Leslie H.
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  Speaker 7: Martinson because it wasn't because he was a visionary auteur
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  Speaker 7: and which is a not a shade to him whatsoever.
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  Speaker 7: It was bec because he was so experienced with TV
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  Speaker 7: directing that they're like, oh, you want to get a
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  Speaker 7: guy who does it under time, under budget and efficient,
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  Speaker 7: then you get Leslie H. Freaking Martinsen. The guy comes
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  Speaker 7: from what he directed episodes of Twilight Zone, Mission Impossible,
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  Speaker 7: Gun Smoke, and multiple episodes of Batman, and like, you know,
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  Speaker 7: like you guys talked about like this film is made
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  Speaker 7: on a way compressed schedule, standing sets, existing costumes, actors
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  Speaker 7: already in character. So he very much inherited the style.
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  Speaker 7: He didn't reinvent it, but he did it for under
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  Speaker 7: one point three million, and it made almost four million
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  Speaker 7: back right, which but it wasn't even they weren't even
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  Speaker 7: doing it for the money. It was it was to
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  Speaker 7: raise awareness for the show and get some more toys
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  Speaker 7: out there.
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  Speaker 6: Right, it's a it's a big commercial if it makes money, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: that's that's a big plus.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 6: But we also built some more things and got some
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  Speaker 6: more footage that we can insert in the in the
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  Speaker 6: next season if we need to. And but I mean
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  Speaker 6: like that that is you know, to your point, Trists
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  Speaker 6: and Martinsen's worked with the cast, he's worked.
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  Speaker 7: With the crew.
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  Speaker 6: He knows it, right, He's gonna walk in. He's like, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 6: I do hey, Leslie, what's up. We're doing four A,
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  Speaker 6: ten B and thirty two C and we're got we
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  Speaker 6: got till four Okay. You guys taking lunch at what one,
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  Speaker 6: one thirty one thirty Okay, cool, let's get going. And
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  Speaker 6: he's just gonna walk in. He's just gonna do it.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't there's not like this labored, like what's my
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  Speaker 6: motivation in this scene? Your motivation in this scene as
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  Speaker 6: you're trying to rehydrate the u WO members.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's it. That's your motivation.
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  Speaker 7: The motivation is hit your mark, say your lines, get
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  Speaker 7: out of my.
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  Speaker 2: Face, right, trip when we need you to trip in
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  Speaker 2: a plot based fashion. But and it's so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you were saying, Tristan, you know, they don't make
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  Speaker 2: him like this anymore. The fact as well that this
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  Speaker 2: is just a big TV show, like this isn't a
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  Speaker 2: oh we have more budget. Let's imagine, you know, let's
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  Speaker 2: make a bigger bat cave. Let's make a like they
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  Speaker 2: obviously did more. They had the bat vehicles. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's where a lot of the money went.
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  Speaker 7: And which was prepped by local airport stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Hey hey, fully deputized police force.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, this batman is not a vigilante so much as
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  Speaker 6: anized you know, representative of law enforcement. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that the the real beauty of it is that the
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  Speaker 6: the gag of it for the parents that take their
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  Speaker 6: kids to go see it is that they get to
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  Speaker 6: sit there and a line like we're fully deputized, you know,
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  Speaker 6: they're fully up deputized. Uh you know law enforcement officers
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  Speaker 6: like the parents can sit there like yeah okay, and
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  Speaker 6: the kids like yeah, they're the good guys and it's
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  Speaker 6: like yeah, okay, sure, sure, like and Tristan like you're
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  Speaker 6: saying fully staffed by the airport and it's like yeah that,
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  Speaker 6: Like the parents get a chuckle out of that. Well,
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  Speaker 6: they're you know, while they're smoking their chester Fields and
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  Speaker 6: going in popcorn and stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Speaking of smoking your Chesterfields. I lost it when they
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  Speaker 7: said they're like, yes, Robin, they're drinkers, but they can
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  Speaker 7: be saved.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. I felt scene in that moment. I really did.
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  Speaker 7: Like I could just imagine like Adam West like sipping
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  Speaker 7: a martini while he's reading his script, yeah for that line.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, or the penguin when he's you know, dehydrated his
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  Speaker 2: henchmen and they're like, be careful with the particles as
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  Speaker 2: we get them ready to put in the vials, and
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  Speaker 2: they're like you know that even they have mothers, And it's.
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  Speaker 5: Like what what what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 7: So this was This was written by Lorenzo Simple Junior,
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  Speaker 7: who was the son of screenwriter Lorenzo Simple Senor, and
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  Speaker 7: he came from a back of political speech writing before
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  Speaker 7: he went into TV and film, and he actually wrote
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  Speaker 7: the pilot for the show, and it was pretty much
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  Speaker 7: his idea to kind of have this self aware tone
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  Speaker 7: where it's not so much a wink at the audience,
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  Speaker 7: it's more of a it's it's so it's not so
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  Speaker 7: much that Batman is silly, it's that Batman takes nonsense
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  Speaker 7: very seriously. Yes, Yes, And there's a key there's a
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  Speaker 7: key difference there, and that was his that that was
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  Speaker 7: his mostly his doing for the script for Batman the movie.
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  Speaker 7: And I think that's what really sets this this movie apart,
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  Speaker 7: and also the tone of the show apart, is that
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  Speaker 7: it's it is whacky and goofy, but they're the people
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  Speaker 7: aren't aware that it's whacky and goofy, and there's It
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  Speaker 7: kind of reminds me of a Steve Carell quote I saw.
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  Speaker 7: I saw him when he was promoting his version of
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  Speaker 7: Get Smart. He was saying he was talking to the
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  Speaker 7: audience like he was at some convention and he said
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  Speaker 7: he's like, I wanted these characters to treat it like
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  Speaker 7: they were in a Jason Bourne film. And they all
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  Speaker 7: started everybody started laughing. He's like, no, I'm serious. The
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  Speaker 7: reason why it's funny is because the characters don't know
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  Speaker 7: it's a comedy. Yes, and that's it worn't work otherwise. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: and that's I think that's Batman's sixty six to a t.
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  Speaker 4: I completely agree.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, especially, gosh, there's there's so many lines between
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  Speaker 2: Batman and Robin where it just it's beyond ridiculous. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: out of the corner of my eye, I saw this
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  Speaker 2: rubber Matt convention and and then they're like, yep, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just because they'll say the ridiculous thing, the
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  Speaker 2: other person will confirm it with absolute seriousness, and then
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  Speaker 2: they move on and just repeat that one hundred times.
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  Speaker 4: That is the movie.
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  Speaker 2: But it but it works, and and it's fun it.
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  Speaker 2: I love the four way periscope so all the villains
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  Speaker 2: can look up the periscope at the same time, like
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  Speaker 2: that's actually really funny. I love that the sub has
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  Speaker 2: little penguin you know, fins at the back to propel it.
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  Speaker 7: That was a perfect submarine. I fully believed that that
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  Speaker 7: was a real working submarine where the fins would work.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, if only they had that in Hunt
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  Speaker 7: for Red October that you know, they wouldn't even need
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  Speaker 7: the whisper.
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  Speaker 4: Drive exactly right, exactly.
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  Speaker 6: The caterpillar drive is a thing of the past because
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  Speaker 6: you keep her drive flip it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I think that.
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  Speaker 6: I think that what people sleep on over time as
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  Speaker 6: well is that Adam West's talent for being that earnest
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  Speaker 6: about it, for actually going with it is such a
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  Speaker 6: skill Like there there's there is no small amount of
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  Speaker 6: talent toward playing it in such a way that that
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  Speaker 6: character doesn't come across as overly self aware and in
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  Speaker 6: any sense like Adam West's Batman, like you're saying, Tristan,
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  Speaker 6: he believes it, He's in it, and that's not easy
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  Speaker 6: for an actor to sell, but West sells it flawlessly,
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  Speaker 6: and I think that is really a credit to him.
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  Speaker 6: And yes, this is all he's ever going to be
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  Speaker 6: known for, aside from being Mayor Adam West of Cohog.
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  Speaker 6: But it's really one of those things where what a
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  Speaker 6: calling card sort of thing to be boxed into. And
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  Speaker 6: it's so wild because he was such a gifted actor
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  Speaker 6: that I would have loved to see him break out
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  Speaker 6: of this in some way and be really known for
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  Speaker 6: something else, like Bill Shatner manages, he gets TJ. Hooker,
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  Speaker 6: he gets Denny Crane, he gets all of these other things.
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  Speaker 6: Leonard Nieboy goes to in search of and all of
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  Speaker 6: this other stuff. And Adam West is this guy from
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  Speaker 6: with that absolutely land marks sixties role, and he's never
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  Speaker 6: given the opportunity to do to that, to follow that trajectory,
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  Speaker 6: and I think there's some timeline where he does. And
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  Speaker 6: I wish I was in it, because the guy really
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  Speaker 6: effortlessly doesn't break a sweat carrying this thing, like everything
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  Speaker 6: revolves around his ability to sell that whole conceit, and
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  Speaker 6: he does it and it doesn't look like he's struggling
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  Speaker 6: or trying or anything.
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  Speaker 4: It's just him up there. And you got to give
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  Speaker 4: ridiculous credit for that.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree. I there's the scene isn't in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: it's in the show. But there's one scene where I
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  Speaker 2: remember Commissioner Gordon is talking on the phone with Batman
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  Speaker 2: and he patches in Bruce Wayne on the other line,
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  Speaker 2: who is Alfred handing another phone to Adam West. And
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  Speaker 2: he goes back and forth between the two phones in
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  Speaker 2: his different hands, changing his voice and mannerisms to be
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  Speaker 2: Batman and Bruce Wayne seamlessly in a three way conversation,
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  Speaker 2: partly with himself, and it is amazing and just right there,
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  Speaker 2: I think that sums up just the amazingness of this character.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that it's really it's really something, and
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  Speaker 6: I think it's what everybody else can pin their stuff on.
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  Speaker 6: But also you've got to give a lot of credit
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  Speaker 6: to the talent behind the villains because they are just
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  Speaker 6: having a blast. How can you watch this and not
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  Speaker 6: have fun? When Caesar Romero starts laughing, or when the
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  Speaker 6: penguin has you know, right right right, right right right,
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  Speaker 6: and Frank go.
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  Speaker 7: When he walks from like just just a few steps,
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  Speaker 7: he does his penguin.
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  Speaker 4: Walk, and Frank gorshan Man, that guy showed up.
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  Speaker 6: He was the Riddler. There was no there was nothing
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  Speaker 6: else going on there. But you know, you have those
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  Speaker 6: three who were the series regulars, and then you have
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  Speaker 6: Lee Merriweather stepping in for.
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  Speaker 4: Julie Newmar.
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  Speaker 6: So the question for me is, you know, obviously we're
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  Speaker 6: you know, fans of the show to varying levels and everything.
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  Speaker 6: Like when I was way younger, I couldn't I didn't
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  Speaker 6: realize it wasn't Julie Newmar, right, And I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if if it's that Lee Merriweather disappears into the role
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  Speaker 6: or or what you know, Like she seems like she's
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  Speaker 6: having fun, But did either of you have you know,
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  Speaker 6: Julie Newmar like the kid hanging in the back of
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  Speaker 6: your brain.
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  Speaker 7: It's like the Husband and Bewitched, like they replaced the
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  Speaker 7: actor and nobody knew, nobody noticed.
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  Speaker 4: Is it Dick Sergeant? Is it Dick York? Who knows
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  Speaker 4: it's one of them? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that occasionally happens. The one that comes
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  Speaker 2: to mind for me is the mother Harriet and family
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  Speaker 2: matters at the end, like they just completely changed the actress.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was contract difficulty or something happened. It's
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  Speaker 2: very obvious though, like they look nothing alike and it's
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  Speaker 2: the nineties, so it's not as all the reruns.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know it it is.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was due to health reasons, like her
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: back was hurt in or something. So I totally get
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  Speaker 2: not being able to do the movie. Because Catwoman has
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  Speaker 2: a pretty substantial role in this, Like she is not
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  Speaker 2: just in the layer, she's kitcussed, She's in multiple scenes,
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  Speaker 2: but she has it down like she is able to
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  Speaker 2: transform into Catwoman. That, like you said, probably the majority
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  Speaker 2: of audiences, if they didn't really know, they didn't even
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  Speaker 2: cross their mind of Oh, they got all the other
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  Speaker 2: villains together, the actors. Why wouldn't this be the same person.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and it's easy to lose the context that here
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  Speaker 6: we are in nineteen sixty six and Bruce Wayne Batman
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  Speaker 6: is falling in love with a Russian reporter. Right, that's
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  Speaker 6: at the time, Oh my gosh, what a big deal
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  Speaker 6: sort of thing. And I think that in a honeypot
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  Speaker 6: on top of that, right exactly. But I honestly, I
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  Speaker 6: think those are the scenes where she comes alive, like
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  Speaker 6: she's she's really having fun in those scenes where she's
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  Speaker 6: putting on the fake Russian accent and seducing him and
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  Speaker 6: everything like that. Like the movie really gets an energy
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  Speaker 6: to it that's a lot of fun. And I think
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  Speaker 6: it occurs at like a very key point because it's
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  Speaker 6: easy for the energy to flag in a sort of
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  Speaker 6: camp sort of environment like this. But when that gear switches,
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  Speaker 6: it's like, oh, this is interesting and new, this is different,
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  Speaker 6: and it keeps it going for a time and you know,
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  Speaker 6: and propels it all to the next act and everything.
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  Speaker 7: But it's I love, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, we talk about their deputized agents of law enforcement.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: I love the fact that Alfred has a mask on
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: underneath his glasses while they're in the in the Batmobile,
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: as if you know, nobody's going to know the difference.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: But then they're under orders to spy on Brightwayne the
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: entire time. But it's just not decent to watch them
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: kissing a girl, Alfred, So we got to turn this off.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: And it's like, it's such a wildly wholesome, silly moment.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: I lost it when they they turn on the feed
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: and they notice that like one chair is a skew.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: It's not even that visibly noticeable that there was a
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: fight there. But yet, you know, Robin freaks out and
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: Alfred says, bless my dust pan.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I you know I here we
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: are heaping praise on it, right, but like, what what
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: keeps this from being the midnight movie that goes around?
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: What keeps this from.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Being beloved outside of the bat circle as it were,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: you know, like we're all Batman fans.
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: It's there's the movie itself, there's how do I put it?
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: Like because it's often described as campy, you know, like
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: there is you have a shelf there like you have.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: It's not going to go beyond that, It's not going
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: to go beyond a certain level because it's camp. Things
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: that are camp usually have a very fervent fan base,
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: but it's not massive. It's usually pretty niche. And even
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: though Batman has been around for eighty years and Batman
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: is a huge money maker, it's the house that you
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: know built DC, or it's a property that built DC.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: I wish i'd say, and it's you know, like Batman
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: is a huge seller with comic books, movies, merchandise, clothing,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: everything that you can imagine. Batman sixty six is a
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: sub section of that huge pantheon. It's kind of like
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: if like, oh, are you a are you a Star
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: Wars fan? Like, yeah, but my favorite are the e
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: Walk movies that were made for TV fair Like, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: like those are awesome, but I mean not everybody's gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: like those, even though it's a part of the Star
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: Wars pantheon.
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I I completely track with what you're saying. I would
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: also offer, though, as we're sitting here discussing it, that
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: it's possible that usually the camp stuff that explodes that
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: becomes like super popular tends to be something like Rocky
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Horror Picture Show.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: It has a little bit more adult flavor to it
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: than this does.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: I was actually even thinking that, Like, that's the example
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: that came to my head because whenever I think camp
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: or underground hit or subculture or anything like that, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: think about Rocky Horror Picture Show. I'm a gigantic fan
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: of Rocky Horror Picture Show. But the thing is is that, like,
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: and it's a huge fan base for what it is.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: I think that's the thing is that, like, when you
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: have to say for what it is, it's never that
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: big fair point.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: That's a fair point. Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: And the thing is that the TV show of Batman
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: from the sixties is what really plays constantly throughout our
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: childhoods and up to a certain point. So if I say,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: you know, Adam West, you're going to think of a
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: TV show. And I didn't even know this movie existed
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: until I was an adult. I was like, wait, they
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: did a movie.
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: I was like, but really, the thing that kills me though,
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: is that even though you know, if I if I
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: have to draw some I don't even I don't even
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: want to call them negatives, But if I want to
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: draw some attention to the limitations of it, with everything
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: that we said with the camp with the Shelf, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: with this, with the shub genre and everything like that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: The legacy of Batman's sixty six is probably bigger than
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: most other aspects of Batman, if I could be so bold,
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: because even beyond Batman fans understand what Batman sixty six is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: They understand the sliding on the bat pole. They understand uh,
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: the no abs on the suit. You know, like they
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: understand the bat two see that. It's all ingrain in
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: our culture. And I feel like, you know, like the
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: entire bat poo zoom, you know that phenomenon, Like, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: you saw that in comics, but you did not see
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: that in a live action show. But you know, whenever
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: that happens, whenever you want to make a reference to
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: Batman in a fun way, it's usually going to reference
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: Batman sixty six. I just finished the brand new Batman
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: lego game, Batman Legacy of the Dark Night, And when
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: you when you get the platinum trophy, you get invited
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: to a section of the cave where everybody's partying. Adam
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: West literally calls you on the bat phone to congratulate
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: you on getting one hundred percent on the game. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: in that game, yeah, it was, it was amazing and
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: I just it just happened to me this morning. It
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: just happened to be on the day that I podcast
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: about his movie. And during the game, like when you
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: do a finishing move, you get a power or a
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: pop or a flack what like this was this was
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: sixty years ago. This was sixty years ago, and we're
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: still integrating it into other pieces of media.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: That's a that's a great point.
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: That's a great point that, Yeah, you're right, like I
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: the eighty nine Batman is sort of approaching it, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: this is still beyond you know, because even you know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: when we get to the eighty nine Batman, like that,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: this set the expert this is this is what sept
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: everybody on edge was like, was it going to be
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: this again? You know, because the sensibilities had changed and everything.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: But even through all this changing sensibilities, I think it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: interesting because this is beloved in its time. It finds
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: a new life in you know, in just syndicated reruns
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: on UHF stations up through the eighties, and then you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: everybody's no, that's not mature enough for me. But then
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: it winds up creeping back and so you're right, like
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: the legacy of this is inescapable. It's I would argue,
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: you know what, I'll make a controversial statement that it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: more inescapable than even the original series for Star Trek
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: in a sense that Star Trek keeps breaking orbit, as
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: it were, whereas this is a continual reference point for Batman.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of similarities, for sure. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: was also thinking of Star Trek in the fact that
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the sixties, even the same years.
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: And they use the torpedo noise in the movie.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Well, but it also I mean, we can all say
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the original series compared to everything else that came after it,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: for Star Trek is the most camp. It's not on
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a Batman level, but it's you know, there's some ridiculousness
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to it and the level of budget and effects. But yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: then it had its real had its kind of second
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: wind in the seventies, late seventies, which kind of you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: was a decade before Batman had its second wind. But yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I think what it really comes down to is, like
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you said, John, the you know, quotability, relatability. I mean
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: you can say saying bat Time saying that channel. We
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: all know what you're talking about, you know, you can
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: say you're you're mock punching someone. You say, bam paw,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: we all know what you're talking about. It's not in
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a vacuum. It's not it's it's permeated culture so much.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: And and also I'm not I'm a big Batman reader.
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: I've read a lot of comic books, Batman comic books,
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: but I am admittedly very weak when it comes to
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: pre nineteen eighties Batman. Mh so, did he did that Batman? John?
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Do you know, like, did that Batman in pre nineteen
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: eighties comics label everything bad something?
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: It's a little fuzzy for me because the eighties is
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: really where like that was my childhood, so like that's
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: really where I became familiar with Batman. So like my
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: firsch my first touchstones with Batman, as it had evolved
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: beyond any of that type of stuff, I always considered
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: it more like comic books have always leaned into the
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: pretty ridiculous sound effects that they'll spell out.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: M M. So.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: I always took the sixty six TV show as that
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: was one of the things where they had real permission
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: to lean into it and just get completely zany with it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: And it's like an on screen joke.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: It's not somebody saying buff, it's saying it there in
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: the manner of the way they would draw it in
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: any comic at that time.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Well, the main reason why I ask and listeners please
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: please write us if you know the answer. But it's
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: became it became very much a joke later on in
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: the series that whenever Batman created something, he was so
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: good at branding, like he would always put his his
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: logo on everything. He was a great marketer. And but
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: he would also say bat whatever, bat cal that you know,
• 28:14
  Speaker 7: I'm blanking on example, bat shield, whatever the thing is.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: And so it makes me so it makes me wonder
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: if that's was started because of the show or if
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: the show just made it explode, because it was something
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: that was referenced in the comics before the show. And
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: there's one example that I absolutely freaking love. It's when
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: bats is with Harley Quinn and he pulls out a
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: little a little charging device in its shaped like a
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: bat and he goes, it's a bat to ree and
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Harley Quinn goes, shut up.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I uh, the thing is.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: I think it did, because like that that's also sort
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: of a hallmark of comics of the time, like even Superman.
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: The the s shield would be on everything and and
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: so Yeah, in terms of the branding again, I think, yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: that's just part and parcel of it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not the biggest lore comic person, but
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: from what little bits I researched, I think the sixties
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Batman was heavily inspired by the forties Batman. So that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like even more classic comics and such. So and I
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: can't say if they had the bam paws, but it
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: feels like the sixties was kind of that second wind
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of the forties, and you had people who grew up
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: on that, but it definitely was its own own thing,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: so much so that it kind of reculturally reset Batman
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: for everybody, which kind of again also happened in the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: eighties to a to a point, not erasing what came before,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: but was a new introduction point. Yeah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: The thing is, as we keep talking about it, like,
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: there's sort of a thing where I think another thing
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: that puts a shelf on it, as you would say, Tristan,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: is that the ending of it isn't an ending, And
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I think that there's there's almost like a sense of
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: commercial breaks through this thing where it you know, I
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: might have seen it on Uninterrupted, but I was expecting
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: commercial breaks because it was very much just structured.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Like there were bets along that episode could and it
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was it felt yeah, oh yeah, that's true.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: That might be another capp or for it too, because
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: like even the beginning isn't really a beginning, Like you
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: don't get the Batman theme and the you know, no
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: no no no no no, no no no no, like
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: you don't get that big thing. Instead it's the searchlight
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: going around where it's like, hey, oh, I'm not taking
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: anything away from it, you know what I'm saying, You're not.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just almost feels weird.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: It felt different, It felt interesting. It was one of
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: those moments when you're just like, oh, yeah, this is
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: a movie.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: Like this one of those few times when I was
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: just like, Okay, this is a movie. It's like when
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: animated movies based off of TV shows just add more
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: shadow to the sides of the characters to indicate that
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: it's a movie. It was that intro was just like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: this is different from the show from season one.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think I think that Another nice
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: thing about it is, you know, this is where the
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: old man grape always shows up you know modern movies now,
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: but like another nice artifact at the time is because
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: it was in the technicolor phase of the world where
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: they were like, if it's if anybody's gonna be watching
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: this in black and white, they still have to have
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: some really killer color separations so it doesn't all look
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: like a wash of gray.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: So everything's so colorful in this movie that it's just beauty.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: Like you can you can just see just this wash
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: It looks like a living comic book because of how
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: yellow Robin's Cape is, because of exactly how red the
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: reds are and all of that type of stuff, And
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: it's like it's I really hope things gravitate back toward
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: this sort of thing where it's like, you know what,
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: let's take the filter off of the lens, guys, let's
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: just really go crazy.
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: Let's just a you know, I'm just imagining Snyder with
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: his finger on the slide right there, saturation slider, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: just bring it all the way down to fifteen.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: I was mentally doing that exact thing where I was
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: like Robin's Cape it was gonna look orangish and like
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: a burnt color on the edges by the time we're
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: done with this here. Yeah, well it's an artistic choice,
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: but you know, I don't know, I really like the
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: color of everything. I like how much it just absolutely
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: there's no you don't lose a single element in the background.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: There's no like I would have to turn my TV
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: off to make it dark enough to lose the separations
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: on everything. And I think that's that's a beautiful thing,
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: especially for something like this.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's also the nice thing as I'm pretty
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: sure they shot the sixties show on film, as most
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: shows were shot that way back then that weren't sitcoms
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: like where you had a standing set, and it was
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: much more contained. So yeah, the visual look, it just
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: goes right from the show into the movie, which except for,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: like you said, it's a little bit wider, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: and a little bit bigger budget, but not so much
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: too distract from from what it is. And hey, they're like, oh,
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: we got some shots of the you know, the back copter,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: so we can intercut that in future episodes, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: because why not, you know, we used the use the money.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: You gotta think like a producer man, you know, can
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I can I reuse something, although there is something slightly
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: controversial maybe that that I want to ask you, Tristan,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: because back when we talked about Oliver Stones, absolutely classic JFK,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: I pointed out, you know, some of his commentary about LBJ,
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: and we have a very LBJ like hand and dog
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: in this he's portrayed as something of a glory hound, right,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: not the nicest, you know, most virtuous guy.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Did you have a problem with this portrayal of LBJ.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: I did think of you when it popped up, because
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: I actually started thinking about how I kind of missed
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: the days where we would just see the back of
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: a president or the back of the head, or maybe
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: like a voice on the phone, and we all know
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: who it's supposed to be, right, Like we all know
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: they don't say, you know, President Johnson, they don't say LBJ.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: They don't say they just say mister president. Like if
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: it's you know, like if this was in the early nineties,
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: we hear a voice like this, we know it's going
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: to be a bad impression of Bill Clinton, and it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: part of me misses those days. I feel like contact
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: ruined it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: I would say that Forrest Gump was the first one.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, you're right. Forrest, come to the first Forrest,
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: come to the first right, you know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Like that that's sort of the That was where they
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: towed it right up to the line. But I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: you're right the contact was what was like what line
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: and just erased it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: I one thing about this is that's very different from
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: later films that we'll definitely discuss is Gotham is not
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: really a city. It's not.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's near well kind of near the coast, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it. When you're flying over it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It feels like it's in the Midwest.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: But I mean, I mean it was clearly a coastal
• 35:37
  Speaker 7: because he could barely get rid of a get rid
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: of a bomb with all they just can't get rid
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: of a bomb. Yeah, that's it, you know, But what
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: did you guys think about that? I mean, it's so
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: hard to go back in time. I mean, back then,
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: they wouldn't even thought twice about it that there's like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: oh yeah, Batman and Robin are in Gotham City. Gotham
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: wasn't really a character then, at least not in the
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: nineteen sixty six show. And that's it from eighty nine forward.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: In terms of in the cinematic history of Batman, Gotham
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: is its own character, has its own vitality and vibe,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: and and it's living. It's it's it's its own entity.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Do you feel like it was lacking here or did
• 36:15
  Speaker 7: you just not notice it? Don't care.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: I don't think that this Batman exists in the gritty
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: Gotham And so no, like this is this is any
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: city us a sort of thing. This isn't h This
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: isn't a Batman dealing with the you know, the ethical
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: problems of street crime. He's fighting supervillains. You know, the
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: problem that Gotham has is everybody's fine. It's the supervillains
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: that are the problem.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: It's it's not.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Other things, not Batman.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: And they're doing a fine job. It's fine. The streets
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: are clean, everything's fine. Zero corruption rights.
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: Worried about trust?
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'm right, there's no Yeah, Commissioner Gordon
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: is not fighting institutional rot from the inside or anything
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: That's the thing is like this, this joker is not
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: going to be releasing smilex on the population population of Gotham.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Like possibly weed. But like you know there's smiles.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and they were all all the villains were kind
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of just against Batman. They just all wanted to get
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: and kill Batman. That was their only really thing.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: No, they wanted a billion from each country.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah good, Yes, when you adjust for inflation, was a
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: really that was a lot of money back.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: That's that was an that's the amount of money that
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: makes you think the Austin Powers are. They just laugh
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: because that money just isn't even a thing in sixty six.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's like, oh, we want eight trillion dollars.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, domestic product of a country. Sure, we'll
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: just put that in a truck for you. Like no, yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I uh yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: They they want money, but like there and their their
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: motivations for what they are, they're super villa and their motivations.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: They just want to be rich.
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: I was like, okay, I heard some I shouldn't say
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: I heard I read somebody kind of compare the villain
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: plot of this movie to a workplace comedy because I
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: know it's kind of it's I know it's kind of
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: loose and don't take it, you know, too literally, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: just in this movie, they're all working together they all
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: have their own jobs, like you have jokers kind of
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: a manager, you have Penguin, Whula's logistics, and Catwoman's the
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: only competent person trying to get stuff done. And you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: Riddler's the idea guy who's a little kind of like
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: a wallflower but still unhinged, and they all are interacting together,
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: and like of course, like in the in the comics
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: they do this all the time, but in a kind
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: of a gritty realism way. All these people would be
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: at each other's throats and killing each other, but in
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: sixty six, it just they're all just laughing at each
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: other and insulting each other and just moving on and bickering.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Always like to take it out by.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: How much the villains get along and actually work together.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: In this it's kind of jarring because every other team
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: up we see it's usually undone because they just can't
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: not fight each other. But in this they can. There's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: barely even any hedgeman, you know, yoho.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: I think that's why the League of Doom was so
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: fun in the cartoon. We got to see this thank you,
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: thank you, Legion of Doom. We got to see them
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: the l O d We got to see them together
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: all the time.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: You know, no, because I'm evil, but like even the
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: Legion of Doom, they're all like bickering around a conference table,
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: you know, and like and Solomon Grundy's there, like, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: like that guy would ever be.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, I remember there was a Robot Chicken episode
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: where Lex Luthor is giving like reading the minutes from
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: the previous meeting to the Legion of Doom, and then
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: he also has some announcements. He's like to the person
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: who is wiping their boogers above the urinal in the
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: men's bathroom.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: Stop it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: Even has to deal with this nuts.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, even the villains are bureaucratically challenged, as he remember
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: to pay your dues for this month because the Legion
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: HQ is not going to fund itself.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Did you guys ever watch the cartoons that came out
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: a couple of years ago? Of course, Yeah. I still
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: haven't watched.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Him, William Shatner playing two Face. I was signed up immediately.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: I have no idea why I haven't watched him yet.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I need to do that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: It's not as fulfilling as you would hope, but it's
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: still like Return of the Cape Crusaders. I loved, but
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: I remember that one, the two face one was it
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: was good. It wasn't great, it was good. But yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: you know, I think, uh, I think probably this this
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: movie will. I think this movie will fade in time though,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: and it makes me sad, but I think it'll fade
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: in time because even trying to get my kid or
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: my kids along the way to watch this, it it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: just it doesn't work. There's there is too much that
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: sixty years is a long time and.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: It I think this will. I don't think it'll disappear.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: I think it'll become so niche at some point that
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: you know, it's gonna become like the uh, it's like
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: the final level. It's it's gonna hit that level of
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: like when you view this, it's like viewing the Star
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Wars Holiday Special. You've finally seen everything. That moment isn't
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: necessarily right now, but there is a moment in the
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: future where viewing this is gonna be like, oh, did
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: you know that they made one from that TV show
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: they did? Yeah, let me show it to you, Like
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: this is sort of like the final achievement level.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I tried showing this to my oldest when she
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: was a lot younger, and we only made it through
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: like maybe two and a half episodes before she lost
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: all interest. And she's nine now, and when she came
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: down the stairs, I had it on and I just
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: hear behind me, so it made an impression. But actually
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: what she absolutely loves is bat Wheels where it's a
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: kids show. It's a cgi kids show because all of
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: them are now and it's all about the vehicles of
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: the bat family. Like it's kind of like cars, so
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: they're like sentient. Yeah, it's like cars the the Pixar
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: movies with Batman, and there is one that is voiced
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: by Adam West and that's her touchstone to that Adam West.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: Batman is the car that's voiced by Adam West, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: she that's her favorite car from the show because she's like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: he calls everybody chum. It's hilarious and and also, uh,
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Ethan Hawk is Batman?
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Really? Yes?
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: Okay, it does an amazing Batman and no disrespect, a
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: little disrespect, but a little disrespect to the show bat Wheels.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: It is. He's waste. He's wasted on that show. Like
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: we need to get him in some sort of like
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: high profile voice role for Batman. He is a perfect
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: Batman voice.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: And now I gotta go check out bat Wheels.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No, I really agree with you John about you know
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: it losing that kind of touchstone. And I have a
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: theory on it because I've started to notice this as
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: well with with other kids and my own kids, that
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the upcoming generation it's it's not that it's sixty years old.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's because the method of continuing the legacy, the channels
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that we would watch things on are gone, or changing
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the fact that there's no rerun TV where you couldn't
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: control what was shown. And you turn on the television
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: and oh, it's ten pm on Saturday and they're showing
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Batman and you were, and everyone who was watching it
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: right now is exposed to that, and they're going to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: talk about it in school or with their friends, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: it's going to naturally propagate now because everything is on
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: demand unless you choose or your parents show you there.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: So and it's not just Batman like I'm feeling, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is negative, it's just what's happening
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: is there's this massive like gap in the old lore
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: of everything that a pair parents age population grew up
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: on and the next generation where if you don't become
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the bridge like Star Trek or Star Wars or anything
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: to a degree, then it's it's just not propagating as
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: much because they're not going to just discover it now.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: You know, we are the torch bearers to pass it
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: on to our kids. But that just becomes what are
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: your parents like and what then what are you exposed
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: to as a child. So it's it's just it's interesting times.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a fair point.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, going back to my story of encountering it,
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: like I watched the show simply because I was trapped
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: and like what else was I going to watch? General Hospital?
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: You know, It's like three o'clock on a Thursday afternoon,
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: and I don't want to go outside.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I know that that G I.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Joe or Transformers or Robotech is on the other side
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: of this particular half hour, and it's like I turned on.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: I'm like, fine, fine, I'll endure this. That's fine, And
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: it's over time, I guess, you know, just sort of
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: like inculcates in your brain, you know, as you're going along.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: So that's a fair point though, like everything is so
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: fractured and you don't have the I guess the Stockholm
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: syndrome that developed in somebody like me of watching the
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: sixty six show so much that.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Eventually I'm like, no, actually I like this.
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: See previous things I've said about Star Trek five for
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: more of an illustration of this matter.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, no.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: But then to Tristan's point, they, you know, the franchises
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: are continuing to try to make new content to hook
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: the next generation because they know if they don't, it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: just sliding away into obscurity. And so yeah, so for
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: for his kids, it's it's batwheels, and maybe that will
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: lead to sure watching you know, other Batman as age
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: appropriate and it grows. But it's it's just really interesting.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: It's not as cut and dry or simple as it
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: was of like, well, you just show it on television
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: or you just show it on movies and people just
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: pick it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Up back when you have four channels to choose from.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: All right, well, let's circle through our ratings for Batman,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the movie from nineteen sixty six. Matt uh, Well, I
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: think i'll go first. Man Man. I'm going to god, gosh,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to give this a two. It is not
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I gotta give my monster room to grow.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: It is enjoyable, but it is so cringe. It is
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: so cringe. Although I will laugh because as I was watching,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: my wife came in and was like, oh, has the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: kind porpoise sacrifice itself. I'm like, that's actually about to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: happen in like thirty seconds they're on the buoy. So yeah,
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: it's relatable, it's a touchstone, it's quotable. But you got
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: to drag me, you know, in front of my screen
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: to get me to watch this again. It's it's I'm
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: not going to watch this for another couple of years
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: when it's an anniversary edition. I'm sorry. It's just my take.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm also trying to leave a little bit of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: room because we can't give every single Batman a five.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Like I know we're not going to, but we're gonna.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I'm setting the floor, okay, and the floor is a two, Tristan,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: what is your bat rating?
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: I'm giving this three ducks that don't perish from the bomb.
• 48:35
  Speaker 7: That's what I'm giving this. Even though we're heaping this
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: movie with praise, even though we're have nothing but nice
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: things to say about it, I feel like we're talking
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: mainly about the show and its legacy itself more so
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: than just the movie. Like cause if we were if
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: this movie existed in a vacuum, which it doesn't, if
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: the movie existed in a vacuum, and this was the
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: only thing that you ever knew about at a West
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Batman or Batman nineteen sixty six or that genre that era,
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: it would be like, oh wow, wow, this is crazy,
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: Like this is this is wacky, like it was funny,
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: but like, okay, you know, let's let's move on to
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: something else. But because you have three seasons and it
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: was perpetuated in pop culture, we look on it much
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: much more fondly. And so I'm giving this a loving
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: three stars for the fun that it has, but I'm
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: not giving it five stars because I'm not like jumping
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: up and down at every single scene.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: All right, and you John, how many dehy rated rehydrated
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: vials do you give this?
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: One? Oh? Three?
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: Definitely a three, Like Tristan was saying, we're heaping praise,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: but it's always with that qualifier for what it is.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: And you know, you're absolutely right, Triustan, this doesn't exist
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: in a vacuum. This is not them doing anything besides
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: throwing it up there so that the kids who haven't
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: seen season one, Hey, this is a TV show, guys,
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: and so when it comes on the next season, they'll
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: tune in and hopefully boost the ratings and sell more toys.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, this is a three. It's a very loving three,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: I every time it comes on, I'm like, eh, you know,
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: I'll watch a couple of minutes of this, but it's
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: not something where I'm like, I gotta watch the whole thing.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Like I can watch pieces of this and be fine.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: So it's a three, all right.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Well, as we continue the wing of Batman next week,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: we'll be covering director Tim Burton covering Batman nineteen eighty
• 50:33
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