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Writing for Hallmark and Beyond with Russell Hainline · Girls Gone Hallmark | Hallmark Movie Reviews

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  Speaker 1: This is a bramble Jam podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Girls Gone Hallmark or Homework Review Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Megan and I'm a longtime Hallmark movie fan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Wendy. I'm a former Hallmark hater.
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  Speaker 2: Today we are joined by a writer having quite the year.
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  Speaker 2: But before we introduce him, make sure you never miss
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  Speaker 3: But back to our guest.
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  Speaker 2: You may have heard of a little movie called Three
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  Speaker 2: Wiser Men and a Boy yet he co wrote that,
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  Speaker 2: but he also has two more Hallmark movies dropping and
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  Speaker 2: a Netflix dropping this season. So we've got the Santa
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  Speaker 2: claus On Hallmark, Under the Lights on Hallmark Mystery, and
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  Speaker 2: the best title of the Holiday season, Hot Frosty dropping
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Wrestling Line.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you both for having me. This is fantastic,
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  Speaker 1: This is a thrill. I'm so excited to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you both, and I'm excited to talk about all these things.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a crazy year.
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  Speaker 2: So can we just ask if your head is absolutely exploding.
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  Speaker 3: Over the incredible year you're having.
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  Speaker 1: It's exploding with nerves, it's exploding with you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it really matters to me. And hopefully this comes through
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  Speaker 1: in the movies that I've done, in the movies that
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  Speaker 1: I'll continue to make, Like I really want them to
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  Speaker 1: be good. I want to be one of the people,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I've gotten to know Nina Wineman a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, when people see Nina Wineman's name
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  Speaker 1: on a project, they go like, oh, this is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a good one, right, Like I would like to
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  Speaker 1: be one of those names. And so I put a
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  Speaker 1: lot of myself into my projects, and I work really
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  Speaker 1: hard to try to make them as good as they
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  Speaker 1: can be. And so hopefully these all turn out to
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  Speaker 1: the audience's liking and I get to continue to do this,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, you know, what can I say?
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  Speaker 2: My understanding is that Hot Frosty, which is your Netflix
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  Speaker 2: drop this year, was a script that or an idea
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  Speaker 2: at least that had been for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Hot Frosty came to be because, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you come up with funny ideas as a writer, and
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  Speaker 1: you come up with ideas that you think, well, this
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  Speaker 1: will never happen. So I'm just gonna tell my friends
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  Speaker 1: at parties. And you know, I kept telling people about
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  Speaker 1: this idea for a movie where the pitch is what
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  Speaker 1: if Frosty the Snowman when he came to life was
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  Speaker 1: just a really hot dude? You know that was And
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  Speaker 1: the response is normally that right, And so I called
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  Speaker 1: it Hot Frosty, and ultimately I pitched it at parties
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  Speaker 1: enough that I thought, well, maybe I should write this,
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  Speaker 1: and so during the pandemic, I just I went for it.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it myself. I really liked how it turned out.
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  Speaker 1: I shipped it around. The good people at Muse picked
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  Speaker 1: it up and partnered us with Netflix for it, and
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  Speaker 1: I've got to say, I'm just I'm thrilled. I I'm
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  Speaker 1: thrilled that exists. It's one of those things you never
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  Speaker 1: would have thought existed, you Like, I wrote it for fun.
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  Speaker 1: I wrote it because I thought it would be funny
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  Speaker 1: and it would make myself laugh. And now it's real.
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  Speaker 1: So how cool is that?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it cool to be like, Yeah, I have a
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  Speaker 2: movie on Netflix this holiday season? Like, I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: know Hallmark, Like I get that that's exciting too, but
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  Speaker 2: like Netflix is Netflix.
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  Speaker 3: That's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I again, a bit of anxiety, a lot of excitement.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a very different audience, right Like Hallmark.
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  Speaker 1: Hallmark audiences know what to expect in these movies. There's
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  Speaker 1: there's brand loyalty, right, Like, there's a lot of if
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  Speaker 1: you like this Hallmark movie, generally, this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: your vibe, right, and so you can sort of play
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  Speaker 1: inside that sandbox and you can stretch what a Hallmark
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  Speaker 1: movie can be, but ultimately it's it's a Hallmark movie.
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  Speaker 1: Netflix people go there to watch anything. People go there
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  Speaker 1: to watch stranger things, they go there to watch which
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  Speaker 1: whatever else. Honestly, I don't watch a ton of TV shows.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a ton of things that people binge
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix that I just have no idea exist. They
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  Speaker 1: go there to watch the Irishman, right, They they're watch
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  Speaker 1: like all sorts of cool things, and this holiday season
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna watch Hot Frosty hopefully. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, who's gonna tune in? Like? What are
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  Speaker 1: the audience types of people that are gonna go yes,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely want to watch this. And are those the
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  Speaker 1: same types of people that like holiday romance? I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think they, at bare minimum will find
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  Speaker 1: a lot to laugh about. It's very funny. I've seen it.
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  Speaker 1: It's great. But you know, even if there's somebody who's
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  Speaker 1: like a little a little more reluctant on like the
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  Speaker 1: romance part, which I feel like, you know, sometimes people
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  Speaker 1: on Netflix, I feel like there's sort of a quick
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  Speaker 1: dismissal of though this is corny because it's because it's earnest,
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  Speaker 1: because it's heartfelt, because it's not like Ladled with Irony, Right,
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  Speaker 1: I think that audiences sometimes go that route. But even
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  Speaker 1: if they are a little reluctant on that side, there's
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  Speaker 1: so much to laugh about. Dustin is so funny. Craig Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Trulio, Katie Mix and Lauren Holly. I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's a murderer's row, a phenomenal cast. Lacey obviously
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  Speaker 1: is fantastic in it, you know. So yeah, I'm really
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  Speaker 1: really excited. I hope the audience enjoys it as much
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  Speaker 1: as I do. I mean, that's really all you can
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  Speaker 1: hope for at the end of the day. You make
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  Speaker 1: a movie for yourself, and you hope that other people
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  Speaker 1: like it as much as you do. And luckily, I
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  Speaker 1: really like Hot Frosty.
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  Speaker 2: So so you have three movies on Hallmark this year.
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  Speaker 2: How did it come to be that you had that
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  Speaker 2: many at once?
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  Speaker 1: Ill? Luck, I mean, more or less, I got some
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  Speaker 1: cool opportunities this year. You know, two of two of
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  Speaker 1: the projects were things where you know, I came on
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  Speaker 1: to something. Santa Class is something that sort of came
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  Speaker 1: came more like, you know, completely started from scratch, but
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  Speaker 1: very different types of movies. Yeah, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: they happened. I'm stunned that they did happen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: two of them started shooting like very late summer.
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  Speaker 2: To like to now, Like, I mean, the Santa Class
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  Speaker 2: is in production. It may have wrapped, but I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. I mean, I know how they do it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they know exactly what they're doing. The team
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  Speaker 1: is fantastic. I got to visit the set for Santa Claus,
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  Speaker 1: got to meet everybody there. I mean, Lucy is an
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  Speaker 1: outstanding director. I'm incredibly blessed that she's done two of
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  Speaker 1: my movies this year. Very very cool. The cinematographers, like
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  Speaker 1: the people who make the sets, the designers, the costume people,
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  Speaker 1: my goodness, I mean like they are just so on
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  Speaker 1: top of their game. I don't know how they all
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  Speaker 1: happen this year. I was definitely wondering whether some of
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  Speaker 1: them would get bumped. I'm just feeling lucky, you know.
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  Speaker 2: To me, I'm like, yeah, I know how it happened
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  Speaker 2: this year because you had in Mary Measure, which was
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  Speaker 2: such a fun movie, and then the Santa Summit last
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  Speaker 2: year kind of like came out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: It was so fun and so different.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think there's a lot of great Hallmark writers,
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  Speaker 2: but I think you bring something different to the table
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  Speaker 2: that spices up the collection of movies that we're getting. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as viewers and as people who consume a
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  Speaker 2: lot of Hallmark content. To me, I'm like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: know why they're bringing this guy in.
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  Speaker 1: That's very nice. That's very nice of you to say things.
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  Speaker 2: It's true though, you got to visit the set of
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  Speaker 2: the Santa Claus. You said, what's your level of involvement
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  Speaker 2: in person as these movies are shooting typically, or with
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  Speaker 2: these other movies.
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  Speaker 1: In person? It's limited, right. I live in La these
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  Speaker 1: movies are in Canada. Right. I try really hard to
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  Speaker 1: visit sets of movies when I can, because I think
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that I can hopefully bring to
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  Speaker 1: the table as a writer and a collaborator and everything else,
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  Speaker 1: is these movies belong to everybody. Like when I'm done
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  Speaker 1: writing and I hand it to a director, when I
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  Speaker 1: hand it to actors, or when Hallmark hansit to actors,
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  Speaker 1: the producers handed to actors, then it becomes theirs, too, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so then they have things that they want to
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  Speaker 1: bring to the table. There are ways in which this story,
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  Speaker 1: you know, touches them, affects them. And obviously when designers,
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  Speaker 1: when everybody else gets involved, they have their own vision
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  Speaker 1: for it, right, And so I like to visit to
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  Speaker 1: show people, Hey, I'm not I'm not overly precious I
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  Speaker 1: do think that if you need like a line of dialogue,
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably the best person to ask. But also I
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  Speaker 1: love hearing other people's ideas. I love seeing what people
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  Speaker 1: bring to the table. I love talking with people about it.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly love getting to know the actors, getting to
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  Speaker 1: know the talent so that when I write for them
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  Speaker 1: in the future, I know them all the better. I
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  Speaker 1: can write for them even better. And just making friends
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  Speaker 1: with these people too. You know, I am just again
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  Speaker 1: this year was very cool and that I got to
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  Speaker 1: make friends with a lot of really cool people. I
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  Speaker 1: got to make some cool movies with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: really cool people. And again, I'm just I'm excited to
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  Speaker 1: see what the audience thinks. I think Santa Claus is
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  Speaker 1: going to be really special. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be really special. I don't know what I can say.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I can say anything about it, but
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  Speaker 1: you obviously know who the talent is. The stars of
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  Speaker 1: it that's already announced are both are outstanding. The director
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  Speaker 1: Lucy is outstanding. The premise is very funny. It's very funny. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be interesting to see that late in
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  Speaker 1: the game. December fourteenth, I believe, you know, if you
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  Speaker 1: are ready for like a full blown comedy, like, that's
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  Speaker 1: definitely what this is. So I'm I'm excited for people
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  Speaker 1: to see that one. I'm excited for all of them.
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  Speaker 1: They're all great in their own way. Yeah, those keep sliding.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I think because I washed,
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  Speaker 1: I keep adjusting my hat. People watching this on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: I my hat, I think as I washed my hair
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  Speaker 1: like an hour ago. My hair, I guess, is really slick.
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  Speaker 1: And I moved my eyebrows a lot when I and
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  Speaker 1: so my hat keeps just sliding farther and farther back.
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  Speaker 1: This is like the danger of doing a podcast on video,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I get. Yeah, I asked like a Wendy
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  Speaker 1: before we started, I was like, how's my lighting? Am
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  Speaker 1: I okay? Like going on?
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  Speaker 2: So the challenge is not looking at yourself the entire time.
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  Speaker 3: But I have never mastered that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm afraid that my hat is just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: like teetered on top at some point if I don't
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  Speaker 1: look every once in a while, you know. But I
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  Speaker 1: committed to the hat now and now I have to
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  Speaker 1: see it. I can't switched to no hat in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of an interview that that would not work at all.
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  Speaker 2: So we talked about the Hallmark versus Netflix of it
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  Speaker 2: all with from your end, was the experience different working
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  Speaker 2: with these two networks.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest difference is money, obviously, Yeah, right. You know
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  Speaker 1: Hot Frosty they closed down an entire town center for
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  Speaker 1: a while. Basically, you know, it was covered in snow.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't mean like the snow blankets. I mean
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  Speaker 1: like the the stuff that the stuff that like uh,
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  Speaker 1: Tim Burton and Germo del Toro use, you know, right,
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  Speaker 1: like the real stuff. You can feel the scale of
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  Speaker 1: it a lot. I got to visit the Hot Frosty
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  Speaker 1: set as well, and that was really exciting too, to
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  Speaker 1: meet all of those people. I think that you feel
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  Speaker 1: the scale of it a lot more. And also when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to Hallmark movies, every once in a while
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  Speaker 1: you'll run into budget things. I think that sometimes when
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  Speaker 1: people see something in a movie that they sort of
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  Speaker 1: like gripe about, or they're like, oh, this doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense or whatever, the odds are so strong that it's
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  Speaker 1: just like something happened during production and there wasn't money
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  Speaker 1: to do it the way that you know it was
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  Speaker 1: conceptualized or what have you. That's no knock against Hallmark,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, I think that the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: do this the way that they do it is quite brilliant.
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  Speaker 1: And they're able to make a lot of movies. They're
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  Speaker 1: able to make a lot of good movies. They're able
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  Speaker 1: to sort of function as a movie studio, like an
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  Speaker 1: old school movie studio. They're able to make movies to
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  Speaker 1: build up stars, you know, to sort of create brand
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  Speaker 1: ambassadors for you know, their whole thing. I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I know you two are going on the cruise, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how who gets to do that? Right? There's
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  Speaker 1: no Warner Brothers cruise that I know of, There's no
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  Speaker 1: you know, like so, I think when I say that
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  Speaker 1: there are occasionally budgetings on Hallmark, that's not to denigrde
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  Speaker 1: That's just the reality of the situation. Some of the
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  Speaker 1: movies have a little less money Netflix loves to throw
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  Speaker 1: on her around. I think a little more. You know,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't like a monster budget movie. It's still a
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  Speaker 1: budget movie. But in terms of the question, which I've
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  Speaker 1: rambled away from, I think sometimes when you pitch for Hallmark, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's a thing with a ton of snow when there's
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  Speaker 1: a whole fleet of snowmen and there's whatever. Then you'll
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  Speaker 1: get like, come on, man, we can't do that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But with Netflix, they're like, can we add more snowmen?
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  Speaker 1: You know sometimes sometimes it's like that, So Netflix, can
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  Speaker 1: you see gi a little more? You know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's I'm interested to try to work with Netflix again
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  Speaker 1: when the future, hopefully how Frosty goes really well. We're
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out some things, right, it would be
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  Speaker 1: cool to continue to explore what Netflix can do. I'll
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  Speaker 1: certainly be even more in tune with what a Netflix
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  Speaker 1: audience might want as a result of seeing how see
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  Speaker 1: if they liked off Rosty, seeing if they didn't like something,
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  Speaker 1: you know, learning some lessons, trying to make the next
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  Speaker 1: thing even better than the previous thing. But I anticipate
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  Speaker 1: doing more movies for Hallmark than Netflix, obviously, just because
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  Speaker 1: a Hallmark is such a machine. Man. I like, they
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  Speaker 1: They're perfect at what they do.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and when Hallmark finds people that they like to
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  Speaker 2: work with, they continue to work with them.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's why we see a lot of the same writers
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of the same directors, and of course
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  Speaker 2: the same actors. So yeah, I hope that for you too.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of people Hallmark likes, when you worked on Three
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  Speaker 2: Wiser Men, you kind of collaborated with Kim, really sessed
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  Speaker 2: at Paul Campbell.
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  Speaker 3: We love their writing.
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  Speaker 2: What was it like coming into like you have not
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  Speaker 2: only an established kind of situation, right, but also these
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  Speaker 2: established writers. What was it like working together the three
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  Speaker 2: of you?
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  Speaker 1: It was terrifying. Yeah, first, and I think that everybody,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully I'm not. I don't want to speak for Paul
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  Speaker 1: and Kim here. I think that everybody in the same
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  Speaker 1: way that I talked about before. Once something is out
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  Speaker 1: in the world, it belongs to everybody. And obviously, when
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  Speaker 1: you have something as big as Three Wise Men, something
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  Speaker 1: is for Hallmark iconic as Three Wise Men. With that comes,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have their ideas of
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  Speaker 1: what they want, what they want from a sequel, from
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  Speaker 1: further exploration of this world. I think that I was
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  Speaker 1: very fortunate to have the opportunity to join, but I
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  Speaker 1: was very cognizant when I joined of this is a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pressure. These are Paul and Kim's babies. I really,
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  Speaker 1: first and foremost want Paul and Kim to be happy
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  Speaker 1: with any work that I do want it. It's the
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  Speaker 1: baby of so many people, right, Like so many people
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  Speaker 1: it's like their favorite Hallmark movie. So then you feel
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  Speaker 1: that as well, they want this one to be bigger,
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  Speaker 1: right like Paul and Kim and you know Tyler and
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  Speaker 1: Andrew when everybody, there's this expectation that they put on themselves,
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  Speaker 1: and there's this expectation of trying to achieve the best
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  Speaker 1: possible product, trying to tell the best possible story that
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  Speaker 1: they put on themselves. And so I really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: feel that pressure too. I really wanted to like step
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  Speaker 1: up to the level of Paul and Kim and that
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  Speaker 1: team with what I would bring to the table. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm at liberty to talk about
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I brought to the table, but maybe you'll
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  Speaker 1: see in some scenes a familiar style of like Russell
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  Speaker 1: esque band, you know, like you'll maybe maybe a character
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  Speaker 1: you might be like, oh, this idea, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: this could have been a rustle thing. This could have been.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll also say that, you know, when you come
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  Speaker 1: on to work with something with other writers on a project,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you're brought on because it's not meeting what people
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to be. And that's just not the case
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: with Paul and Kim. I mean, they're just too good.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: They're just too too good. And when I was handed,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: when I got the opportunity to come on and I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: saw what they had done already, I thought, this is
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: gonna be really funny, This is gonna be really good.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Fans are really gonna like this. What what can I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: do to help? You know? I was an assistant on
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: this project, you know, and I was really really grateful
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: for the opportunity. And now I've gotten to know Paul
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and Kim a little bit, and they just I think
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: they think about these movies really smartly. I think that they,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like me, really want to, you know, push to the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: outsides of the sandbox and see what they can get
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: away with and what they can accomplish. They want to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: make the best possible product. They want to stand on,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: you know, their name. It's also for Paul and Kim
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: it's a lot easier, I think, to feel that sort
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of wanting their name to mean something because their faces
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: are also in these things. Right, Like, there's such press
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the pressure of being the actor
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: who has to carry one of these movies. Writing is
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: enough pressure for me. I'm good. So yeah, I'm really
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: excited for fans to see it. I'm really excited to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: see what like makes the final cut. There's also just
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: a bevy of great stuff in here, and I have
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: no doubt that on set that they I'm sure came
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: up with bits. I'm sure they came up with hilarious
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: stuff to add. And you know, again, all the best design,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: all the best people work on this sort of movie.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So I'm really excited. I'm really really excited. I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: fans are gonna really like it. And furthermore, I should
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: add that if Hallmark people want more sequels to things,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: supporting sequels to properties that you really like and showing
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the people upstairs. Hey, we want sequels. We
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: want more worlds built out. We want the Wiser Men's,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the Cherry LANs, the there's another one this year that
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I'm blanking on, but like the hall Out, the Holly's right, Like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: go go watch those and tell you know, tweet about them,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Instagram about them. Say Hey, we want to explore some
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: of these worlds more on Hallmark. We want these franchises built.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I think the.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Hallmark fan loves a franchise. We want a Santa Summit franchise,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: by the way, So I know you can't say anything.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But just that I'm thinking with prett selfishly, Meg, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I'm making this selfish. I mean, I will say that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I have been in communication with everybody from Santa Summit,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and I mean everybody, like every single person would love
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to go back to that world. I have a story
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that I would love to tell. I think everyone that's
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: heard the story thinks it would be a really cool
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: story to tell. Will we get to tell that story
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: is not up to me. But I am really excited
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: for Fingers Crossednock and Wood. I mean, what a great
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: year they're all going to be having, too, right. I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I know Ben's in a movie. Hunter's got the Chiefs movie.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: My god, Amy's got her a lead movie, which I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: definitely strongly recommend everybody go see. If anybody deserves a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: leading role in a movie, it's definitely Amy. So yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: just go support all those people. They were all so
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: nice and so great. Jeff is such a great director.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Astant was a producer on it. She was in
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Haul Out the Holly two. She's great. Yeah, it's a
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: monster team. It's incredible. You know again, I think I'm
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: very fortunate that my scripts have also gotten into the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: hands of tremendously talented people who share the vision and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: are very nice and very collaborative. And you know, I'm
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the byproduct of my success is or I am a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: byproduct of what do I want to say here? You
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's everybody else. It really helps
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: elevate what I'm bringing to the table in a way
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that I feel very fortunate and grateful for.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've been given a lot of I mean, they've
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: put a lot of faith in your writing. I mean
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: even starting like within Mary Measure, which for people who
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: don't know, the Girl's Gone Hallmark Russell Hayne line origin
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: story in twenty twenty two when in Mary Measure Drop
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that wasn't on our lineup. We were doing like one
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: movie a week at the time. It just something has
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: to make the cut. Well, we ran our count down
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to Christmas bracket and incomes Russell Champion in his movie
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and this was like the little movie that could and
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: we loved it because we love when the people behind
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the movies are like rallying the fans, and the fans
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: love that too, and we have of course since watched
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that movie.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: But if you look back to that, I mean.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You got Branda Penny, like, They're like, here's your first movie.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: We're gonna give you the hottest guy in glasses we
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: can on the network.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: We're gonna make it so funny.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Addie Mirrin is such a fantastic singer, all right, Great
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Garfield is coached so funny. I'm so glad you brought
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that up. And of course what did we lose to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: three wise men?
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, and now.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: You know I got to play a very small part
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: in that. I was just so excited to be a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: part of Hallmark at that point. I think I knew
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: by that point that I was doing Santa Summit in
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Mariy Measure. It happened. I got to visit in Marie Measure.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I had to meet all those people. And it's so
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: addictive you too, Like I can't emphasize enough for me anyway,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that getting to work on movies is as close to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a drug as like you can possibly muster. I could
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: be doing anything else and I don't want to. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: want to do this. And so then when you go
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to the set and you get to see all these people,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: meet all these people and watch them in action and go,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: those are my words they're saying it. Look at this
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: set design. Oh there's a poster that they made for
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: like the thing in like the background that nobody will see,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: but I got to see and they worked hard on it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: These are things I'm just so immensely grateful for. So
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: then that holiday season, while I was working on Santa Summit,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I stumbled upon you All's account and I was like, well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I got to advocate for the home team, you know,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I really enjoyed that. I thought it was
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I don't remember where Santa Summit
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: finished last year. I think it I think it lost
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to like Built Moore. Maybe I've run into some heavy hitters,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: some some staunch one seeds, you know, So I don't know.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe this year will be the year, maybe Like Wiser
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Men or Santa Class, you know, will go all the way.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to put in three movies this.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Year, the Deck, you know, and also I know I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: focused on Santa Class and Three Wiser Men. But Christmas
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: under the Lights is my first movie that I've done that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I I think I would call more a little like
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: traditional Hallmark. I got the opportunity to come on to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: this project and sort of make it my own. Uh
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And at first I was like, I'm kind of the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: guy who's been doing the funny things. I don't know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: But then I was like, I'm the guy who's been
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: doing the funny things. Maybe I should do something that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: a little different from me, something that's a little scary.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So I think that one is also really good. I've
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: seen that one. It's it's a little different. You'll hear
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: some there's still some comedy in there, but it's a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: little more emotional. It's a little more of the old
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: tug of the old heart strings. I tried to make
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it very very personal for myself. I think that paid dividends.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I think that you know, Heather and Marco and Antonio
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and Sharon. I mean, like, the cast is great, they're
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: doing great work. Lucy again dynamite director. So I think
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: if you're somebody who really likes those more traditional Hallmark movies,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the ones that are going to tug at the heart
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: strings a little bit, I think this one really works.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited and a little scared because again,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it's a little different for me. It's something that'll be new.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's something that'll be new for me anyway, So I'm
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: excited to see what people think about it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: So we've got like the Santa Sena and three Wiserman,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: which are real ensemble casts, and then you know, we
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: have Under the Holiday Lights.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Why don't Yes, it was at one point it was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: called The Lights of Christmas. Now it's Christmas under the Lights.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: You know, you never know what the title will end
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: up being.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Santa Class changed names too.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Santa Class changed and Mary Measure changed, you know, titles changed.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: They at one point there were conversations about changing Hot Frosty,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: which thank goodness didn't happen. Yeah, I'm not even gonna
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: say what the alternated titles were, but I'm I owe
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of debt to like Craig Robinson and Joe
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Lutrulio for really going to bat for Hot Frosty. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: now I think everybody really loves that title, but there
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was a time when that was not necessarily the case.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's Yeah, I'm excited, but yeah, sorry I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: totally interrupted your question.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: I know, Well that's okay.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So as a writer, do you prefer like I got
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: two leads and I'm writing for that. I mean, to me,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it seems like you're so good at the ensemble that
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And then before I let you answer that question, my
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: fallo up to that is like, in your mind, you're like, oh,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: writing this on some leads us to future opportunities for
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: additional scripts.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Is that in your mind at all?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: You know, that's not in my mind. I think that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: when you're writing a movie, you know by the end
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of it if there's opportunity for more. But when I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: wrote Santa Summit, I pitched it as let's not do
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the it's boy meet's girl thing, Let's make it about friends.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Let's do it that way. And then that took a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: lot of time and effort to make sure that everybody's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: story was being told. You know, you have Jordan's story,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you have a of a story, you of Stella's story,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you have the three of them together, you have Jordan's
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: story outside of Liam. Right, that's like five different stories
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: happening at once that all sort of need to be balanced.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I think that that's probably a big reason why I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: got the opportunity to work on Wiser Men Santa class
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Is is definitely like a little more led by Kim
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and Ben, but there is a big ensemble component that
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited for people to see. Yeah, but writing
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the two hander, I kind of like the ensemble more.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: It's harder and it's harder to make things happen. It's
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: harder to get things past upstairs because you want to
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: write like twenty five characters and they'll go, hey, wait
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: for doing that's yeah, that's too much. So then you
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: have to cut out bits. You have to cut out characters.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: There's a character I loved in Santa class that I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: had to cut entirely. I had to cut a character
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that I loved from in Mary Measure. At the time,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I was really, really, really happy that Santa Sana got
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to keep Erica's Dasher. I was definitely a little concerned
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at one point. My favorite, well, like Act eight, you
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: have your leading character talking to somebody who we've seen
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like once for like five minutes. That's not something that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: normally happens in movies like these. That was very influenced
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: by y'all remember Can't Harley Wade.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of my all time favorite movies.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Me too, Yeah, so that was definitely the dasher thing
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in Santa Summit was very much like the h the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Jenna Elfman scene at the end of can Harley Wade.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like a little bit where sometimes you just
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you need to hear from an outsider to get perspective
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on your own thing. But those are hard, those are
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: hard cells sometimes. But no, I think that the ensembles
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: are harder mm hmm, and I kind of like them more.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: They also like the dialogue goes boom boom boom boom
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: boom in those which I really love me too.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So we always talk about that way, like we want snappy, snappy,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: snappy snappy.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote, I won't say which script is it?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: One that's even a maid I wrote, I wrote into
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a script recently, these characters should speak as quickly as
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: humanly possible, right, I just put it in the text.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, please let them do and I'm sure
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I was told just remove that from the scripts. They're
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna do how they how they want to
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: do it. But like Santa Sumo is a great example.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like Jeff Beasley is so good with comedy, he knows
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it's gotta fly. Lucy comes from the world of comedy
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: shit like Santa Claus is Gonna fly. The wiser Men guys,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, they get it. So I think that when
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: you do an ensemble thing, you sort of know what
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the game is, especially when it's something that's comedy forward. Uh,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and it's got to be boom boom boom. Even in
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: my opinion, even the scenes that are more emotional, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't I don't think that any of those old comedies
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: from the thirties and forties are less effective emotionally because
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they're speaking quickly. Like you know Rick at the end
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of Casablanca, he's not drawing that big speech out, he's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: firing through it. But you know it's because he's got
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to get her on that plane. You know, there's a
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: reason for him to be talking fast. I think finding
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: reasons for talking fast can sometimes be hard. I've also
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: been talking fast this whole interview.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I speak at an unsustainable pace, So I love it.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I think my brain processes language that quickly, so I
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: want it to be fit. It's like the Gilmore Girls
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: style of acting, right, like write ten more pages than
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: you in theory could fit into this time and make
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: it work.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And I love it like that is we love that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the draft of Santa Class that I turned in,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: at one point, I had somebody send me a text
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that said, this is unmakeable because it was just so
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: long and there were so many bits in it and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: so much going on, and so they were like, we're
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: gonna have to cut things down. And then I did.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I cut like fifteen twenty pages out of it, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: now it's gonna be a really fun, snappy, funny comedy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But I do think that you run that risk when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: doing ensemble stuff of writing too many things. Yeah, then
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you have to kill your darlings. I'll have another I'll
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: have another ensemble thing in twenty twenty five, knock on wood.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: As long as everything goes well, I can't say anything
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: about it, but there should be another ensembly thing in
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. There's some fun stuff coming in twenty
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: twenty five too. That's why I feel so grateful, man.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, like I could do these all the time.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They're so they're so fun, they're so they're so good
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: for the soul.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I love that you already have some of
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that lockdown. That makes me really happy for you. If
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I could throw it back a little bit.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You went to Duke.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: We're in the college application process with one of my kids,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and we visited Duke. I'm like, well, you need to
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: apply here just because it's so pretty, Like is the
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: most beautiful college campus I've ever seen? My question actually
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: is you then went on to.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Be a theater teacher.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Did those experiences like as a theater student and a
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: theater teacher inform the making of In Mary Measure?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: What do you think I mean?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I assume yes, you're like, let's write what I know?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I have no nine million funny stories to tell about
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: those experience.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I think that I also answer all my questions beginning
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: with that's so annoying for a listener as a posish,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: every single person apologize profusely to everybody who might be
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: listening to this instead of saying I just took a
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: big inhale there. In Mary Measure is about teachers. The
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Santa Summit is about teachers. The Santa Class, in its
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: way is about teachers. I think I keep gravitating towards
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: that because it was so formative, working with kids, working
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: with young people who really want to express themselves, young
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: people who have so much to say. And don't know
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: how to say it yet is really really rewarding. There
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: are things about teaching that are very not rewarding, which
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: we won't go into in a Hallmark movie generally speaking,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: although I do think it was touched on in Santa
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Summat and some of the other things. But the working
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: with kids and getting to know students and getting to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: see their progress is so great. I have multiple students
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: who work in the industry now doing great things, doing
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: really cool things. My student, Alish Shannon, she was in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the movie Like Black Christmas. She's on leverage redemption. Now's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: she's gonna be at one of these conventions. She was uncharmed,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But how cool is it? Like, you know, Hallmark people
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: are doing conventions and one of my students is getting
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to do a convention, and like, that's insane, that's so cool.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I'm so so thrilled for her. I have no doubt
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that there will continue to be teachers in my movies
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: because it's such a hard thing and it's so important.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: That sounds that's like self aggrandizing writer talk to say
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it's important, So these like what do I want to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: say instead of important?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're wrong.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I mean Yeah, I think that it's important for people
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: to think about what teachers go through and how hard
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it is to be a teacher, and to cut teachers
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: some slack, maybe pay teachers a little better, maybe give
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: teachers more administrative support. Nobody is a teacher because they
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: thought it would be easy. They're a teacher because they
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: love it, even the ones that are bad teachers. We've
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: all had bad teachers. They got into teaching earnestly because
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: they love it. Nobody because if you don't love it,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: why on earth would you subject yourself to what teachers
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: get subjected to on a daily basis. So yeah, I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: in me measure more than anything else. Was like my
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Duke a cappella group days in a lot of ways,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: but the teaching part of it was there for sure,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And then Santa Summit was one hundred percent informed by
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: some of my experiences as a teacher. Absolutely.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Running segment on our podcast is the Justice four segment
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: where we champion these supporting actors and we're like Justice
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: for Ericatavl for example, like put the man in a
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: leading role? Uh can I put you on the spot
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and ask you? I mean, like last year we were
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like Justice for Amy Greening and now she's getting her moment.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Do you have supporting actors you'd love to see elevated?
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Wow? What a question. M there's the um again. I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: think that I think that so many of them are
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: so good. I have to look through my cast. I mean,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: like the obvious people. Stephanie Size great again she I
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: think Eric is a great choice. I brought up you
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: know Garfield, who is the coach in in Mariy Measure.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I think he's awesome. Although he's doing some really cool
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: work and like he's on like a vampire show, I
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: think he's crushing it. I think that I'd love to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: see continued opportunities for like both actors that are notably
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: older and actors or notably younger. I'm trying to think
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head who I've worked with
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this year, who I can reveal that I worked with.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say anybody from this
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: year is batch yet, but like, I have a script
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: that I would love to see happen where the lead
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: is like seventy. You know, I think that doing something
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: where you know they're in their early twenties would be
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: really cool and fun and interesting. I know that you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: one of one of the goals of a studio system
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: again is to create new stars. How cool would that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: be to sort of, you know, give give some people
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a chance right out of the gate at a at
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a young age, let them carry I think that would
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: be really cool. I think that something that runs a
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: little older would also be really really cool. I keep
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: going back to in Mary Measure because Garfield Wilson, who
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: played the coach who is Freddy's dad and was Brendan
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Penny's friend, and then Jennifer Robertson from Shit's Creek and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: all these amazing things, was the sister. When I went online,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of people who were like shipping
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: the two of them, even though I don't even I
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: don't even think they shared a scene together, but they
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: were like, these two should fall in love. I was like,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm mad I didn't try to push for that. I'm
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: mad I didn't try to come up with something like that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: But I think it speaks to something where the fans
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: don't just want like our pretty leads to fall not
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, these are also everybody I named is gorgeous,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: so like, I don't mean it like that, but like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I think when characters are in the leading role, we
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: automatically know, okay, well they're gonna fall in love. We're
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: rooting for them to fall in love. Giving some of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the characters in normal to play supporting role as a chance,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I think is really really valuable because man, the audiences
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: also want them to fall in love in these things.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: They want everybody to fall in love. I mean, so
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: we're here for so yeah, but Amy, I'm when I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: found out when Amy told me I was over the moon,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I wish I could read my I'm sure that the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: text that I sent her had a lot of capital
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: letters in that. But so I'll put I'll put Stephanie
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: out there as like my person you already mentioned Eric,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I'll put Stephanie. Stephanie is great, especially because I would
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: love to do a musical something like way more musical
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and man, the pipes on her right. She's in Waitress
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: right now I think in Winnipeg as like the lead
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and that song at the end of Waitress like makes
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: me cry every time I hear it, And I really
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: want Stephanie to send me a video first. If you're
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: listening to this, Stephanie, I haven't forgotten I would.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Love to see her in a leading role, a singing,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: leading leading role, something. Yeah.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, got to get them written, Russell.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: With what time. That's the problem I'm running into is
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: if I do things, if I have the things that
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: are actively moving forward, then all the ideas that I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: have that I love so much, they just get back
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: burnered and I don't want anybody else to do them.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I want to do them, you know, I have. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: wonder if I can say this, I have I have
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a project that hopefully will happen in the near future
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: somewhere that is very much about the idea of wouldn't
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: it be great to have more time something that is
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: very time oriented? Because you know, the older I get,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the more I'm like, I don't have time to watch
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the movies I want to watch. I don't have time
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to read the books I want to read. So I
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: have I have something and I don't know where it'll
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: end up. Maybe I'll tell you off air, but I'll tease, yes, please,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'll maybe I'll tease off air what this would be.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But I but I think going back to whatever the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: question was, what was the.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Question who you wanted? Who were you champion for? Oh?
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh? Writing writing projecting. I would love to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: just have like a I would love to have Hermione
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Granger's Time Turner right right, and just write all these
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: things without losing a beat.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Wendy doesn't understand that reference, having never read or seen
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: a Harry Potter movie.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: But I'm a Potterhead, so you know I'm.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Not a potterhead. Honestly, I read them all at the time.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I saw the movies because I see I see like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: every movie, so I uh here, I was just complaining
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: about time and I see all the movies. But I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to be like a totally like stereotypical member
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of my generation. I don't know what house I would
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: be in or anything, but I do know I do
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: know the reference to the time. I do remember the
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Time Turner stuff. Which book was that? Was that the
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: third one?
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I think it's the third one.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my favorite, by a landslide, both book.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I think to tie that back to Hallmark for Wendy's sake,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think that a big reason why I like doing
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: these sorts of comedies on Hallmark is to try to
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: bring in more people, yes, and to try to do
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: things that will really appeal to the very passionate and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: very loyal and very fantastic Hallmark fans, while also showing
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: people that some of their preconceived notions about what a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Hallmark movie is don't necessarily exist anymore. And then if
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: they watch some of my movies, maybe then they watch
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: some of some Anina's movies, some of you know, Julie
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Sherman Wolf's movies. You know, they you know, built more
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: around and round, you know, the hall at the Hotley's
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: all these movies. What was the one I really like?
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Holly Hotline talking about Eric right, another great one. So
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I really think they're hitting their stride with Hallmark right
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: now in terms of the breadth of what they can do.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And so I'm very grateful to be a part of that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And I really don't want people looking at it from
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: afar and going, oh, those are these things. They're these things,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm not a part of that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: You could be, you know what We've been talking about
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: for a long time too on the podcast. So you know,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I notoriously say I'm a former Hallmark hater because I
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: don't like the stigma around like what Hallmark movies are.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That's how I came into it. I was like I
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: don't want to watch that. I don't want to spend
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: my time watching that. But now as I have gone
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: into it, like I have my favorite writers, my favorite directors,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: like who I want to see, they are pushing, they
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: are working tours, creating a different kind of landscape of content,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm really excited for it. It's not your Gramma's hallmark.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: No, it's it really does work like a studio. I mean,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I read a bunch of movies, read a bunch of
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: books about you know, old Hollywood, and this is exactly
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the sort of thing they would do. You know, you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: sling the bat a bunch, You create a bunch of movies,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You give people opportunities. We see what fans like. You
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: give those people more opportunities, you tell more of those stories.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: And you know, if you're doing stuff like the big
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: studios that are all run by sort of private equity
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: firms at this point, but they're making like eight movies
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: a year or something, how can you learn what your
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: audience is going to really respond to with such a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: small sample. You do need more I hate the word content, right,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: but like you need more movies in order to know
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: what's working and what's not I do think that's something
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that Hallmark and Netflix share is you know, having a
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: lot of material that then they can use to track
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: what they're interested in continuing to do going forward. So yeah,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I think that. I think that if somebody watched something
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: like Three Wise Men the first one, like who wouldn't
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: think that this is funny and cute and charming, Like
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: people I know who watched Santa Summit Who. When I
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: went on letterboxed, there were so many reviews that were like,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I watched these with my girlfriend or whatever, and I
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: normally hate them, but this one was good. You know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: there are more like that. You might have to sort
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: through some that are more old school that you might
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: not like right, You might have to target, you might
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: have to read what the movies are about, you might
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: get to know some of the people who make them.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: But like I think there's a lot of room to
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: explore there. And again, I'm grateful that Hallmark seems to
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: be interested in continuing to explore some of these things
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: because of your really cool The first movie that I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: saw Wendy, when I I was given an opportunity by
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: a producer by the name of Jack Grossbart who had
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: read some of like the thrillers that I had written,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and he was like, I can't make these, you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: they're gory. I do Hallmark. That's very different. He's like,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: but if you ever try to write a Hallmark Christmas movie,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: you'll let me know, you know, we'll talk about it.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I tried one and it wasn't It wasn't a Hallmark movie.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I still think it would be a good movie somewhere,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: but it was not a Hallmark movie. I learned a
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: lot more about what that sandbox looked like. And then
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the second movie that I wrote for him was in
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Mary Measure, and I got made right. But in order
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to do that, I did have to watch a few
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Hallmark movies, you know. And the first thing that I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: ever watched was Winter and Veil with Lacey and Tyler.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: So I thinks a really good one.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: No more Strudel, Yeah, that's we talk about that movie.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: We referenced that movie a lot, because they talk about
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Strudell in that movie a lot. And I was like,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: if they say Strudle one more time, good word.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's a good word for actors to get to say.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, and now I feel very fortunate
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that I've got a movie with Lazy, I've got a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: movie with Tyler I, you know, get to I've gotten
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: to know both of them a little bit more. Hopefully
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I will continue to get to know them both more.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: They're both so nice and cool. Like everybody, this is
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: such a cliche that nobody ever wants to hear I
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: don't think, but maybe Hallmark fans do want to hear this.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I've not met a jerk man, I haven't. I have not.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Everybody that I've had the opportunity to work with has
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: been so generous and so nice and so cool. I
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: think when you make movies like these that are on
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a budget and that are very time crunched, there's there's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: no room for jerks. There's no time for jerks. There's
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not enough money to waste time because somebody wants to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: be a jerk about something like otherwise the movie might
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: not get made right. So it also helps that everybody's Canadian,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and Canadians are super nice. So I don't know everybody
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that I've gotten a chance to work with. You know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you wonder, like, oh, are they gonna like think that
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: they're like big, like to too big in their too
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: big for their breeches that's the phrase I'm looking for.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Or do they think, oh the writer, pooh pooh, you
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: know whatever. I just haven't encountered that from at least
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: from the talent from the stars that that you know
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: your listeners are in love with, right, They're all super
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: cool and super nice so so far anyway, there's no
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: river so long, but contain a bend. Maybe one of
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: them becomes jerkorn bag, But so far I've found them
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: all to be awesome to a person.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I love that feedback. So you're pretty active on social media.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: You're still on Twitter, slash x. What's the best place
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: for our list to keep up with you?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I am Russell h film. That's two s's,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: two l's, which I feel like I have to say,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: but do people know a Russell with one L?
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Every time I write your name, I accidentally write one L.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, so I think it's.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Worth there's there's an impulse that people have just fell
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: with one L. But every Russell that's in pop culture
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: is two l's. I don't know what I'm seeing. Right,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: There's like Russell Crowe that's two l's. Russell Westbrook in
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the NBA. Two L's Russell Peters, the comedian. There's a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: bunch of Russell's out there. They're all two L's. I
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: don't know a single one L Russell anyway, that's a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: sidebar two s's, two l's Russell h film. I'm that
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: on Instagram where I'm pretty active when I'm not trying
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to steer everybody towards voting for my movies on the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: on Megan and Wendy's polls.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Hey, we love it, steer them. Yeah.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Erica Tudley took up the mantle last year as well
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: with because he had Santa Summit and a holiday hotline.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So it was a good time.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he was helping out. It's good, it's
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: it's but you're never gonna beat I feel like there's
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: always a movie or two that it doesn't matter how
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: much you campaign people.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: We've talked about taking them out of the running. We're like,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: what if we took Biltmore out of the running last year?
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: This year it's hard because like, what are you gonna
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: take out? Are you gonna take out Holiday Touchdown? Are
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: you going to take out three Wiser Men? Are you
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: going to take out the Holiday Quest?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: So, this year, it might be a fairer fight.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: In my mind, there's not a single front runner, not yet,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I haven't actually seen a single minute of it.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so interested to see how people respond to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: Santa Class. I know it's just because I was just
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: working on it. It's so funny, it's so out there.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: It's there are so many surprises that'll probably just get
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like spoiled in a preview at some point. But like, man,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I think it's and you know, I think that speaking
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: of social media, something that I've learned from like Kim
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and Ben among other people, and obviously Tyler is very
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: good at this too, is the promotion game is real, man,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Like it's really important to get your movies out there
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and to get awareness out there. And Kim is so
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: forward thinking and I think she maybe I read something
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: once where she credited Tyler for this. I don't know
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: if that's actually true. Kim is very smart in her
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: own right, but like both of them are so good
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: about like shooting little promos while they're working or thinking
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of what they're going to do to like get the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: word out. And so I feel so so grateful that
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: people like Kim and Ben and Tyler and whatever in
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the movies that I've worked on, because they're they're fighting
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the good fight for me. But I'm trying to join
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: in that as much as I can. On Russell hGe
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Film on Instagram and Russell h Film Twitter. I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: those are the main places.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: We had Kim on our podcast a few weeks ago
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: and she was saying like she has to have Tyler
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: hold her hand to that sort of thing.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: She's like, she's like, I'm not a techie person.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I had to have him on the phone as I'm
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: like creating this content, which is so funny to me.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're an actor, you're a writer.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: And you're I think she's being modest. I think that
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: she's so dow well.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I was I don't know.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: If you saw, but she made this reel for the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Real West and I was like, that was so beautifully produced.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Do you have any interest in being a director? And
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: She's like, I had no idea what I was doing.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like, I think you know more than
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you're saying.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I think that she knows what looks cool, and she
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: also has really good ideas. There's there's a promo idea
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that I know they had for Santa Class. Who knows
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: if Kim and Bennill actually put it together, but when
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: they were talking about it on set, I was very
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: very excited. I think it would be really funny and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: a great way to get the movie out there. So
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I'll be trying to help as much as I can
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: on russell each film, So please go there for any
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: and all updates on the crazy stuff that I've been
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: doing this year and stuff going forward.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really
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  Speaker 4: Thanks everybody, Bye bye.
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  Speaker 2: All right friends, before we go, just a quick heads up,
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  Speaker 3: Bye Pat,