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Becca on the Beach · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hello. Everyone, welcome to a two episode week.
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Speaker 1: Here at the Almost Famous Podcast. We are celebrating Michelle
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Speaker 1: Young's season. Of course, we'll be having her on the
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Speaker 1: show tomorrow and she's gonna break down the first episode
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Speaker 1: with us. But today we have a very special guest,
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Speaker 1: Becca and Thomas too, wonderful people who have been a
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Speaker 1: success story of this season's Bachelor in Paradise. We've got
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Speaker 1: Thomas and Becca and they're sitting here right with me
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Speaker 1: right now, So welcome to the to the podcast. Hello. Becka.
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Speaker 1: On Thomas, actually, would you consider a success story if
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Speaker 1: I broke up with him on the beach that last day? Yes?
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Speaker 1: That leads me to my first question. I know you
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Speaker 1: had to do that. Okay, I was there. I've been
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Speaker 1: through this for and they made me go through it
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Speaker 1: in the way that Thomas went through, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh wait a second, this makes no sense. This is
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Speaker 1: the first time on this show I feel like I
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Speaker 1: feel like I see right through you. So explain to me, Becca, honestly,
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Speaker 1: as honestly as you can, what really happened when you
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Speaker 1: had to sit him down that day well, okay, So
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Speaker 1: what the interesting part is is those last what would
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Speaker 1: you say, two or three days leading up to the
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Speaker 1: actual breakup, we didn't see each other at all. They
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Speaker 1: had us completely split up. And so the day that
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Speaker 1: Dean and Calem came down and we're like, hey, there,
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Speaker 1: I said over, are you either going to the Fantasy
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Speaker 1: Suits or you break up? I was in this mindset
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Speaker 1: where I was like, I haven't seen this guy for
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Speaker 1: a couple of days. We haven't really been able to
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Speaker 1: have any conversation other than saying yes to a rose
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Speaker 1: at the last Rose ceremony, and I was and I
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Speaker 1: was very adamant the entire time of like, I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to leave the show for a third time with
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Speaker 1: somebody if I don't fully know them, because I felt
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Speaker 1: like I did that in the past, and then I
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Speaker 1: got into the real world I got to know somebody
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Speaker 1: in a completely different light. And so that last day
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Speaker 1: I was kind of on the fence of like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I still I'm into him, but my head is made
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Speaker 1: up right now that this is my decision. I'm not
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Speaker 1: ready to go into the fantasy suitets with him. And
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Speaker 1: it wasn't until the last moments where he was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to leave plenty what if like fight
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Speaker 1: for us, to fight for this relationship where I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: maybe I am making a mistake here, But at that
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Speaker 1: point it was like too little and you know how
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Speaker 1: fast everything happens because they have to go through the breakups,
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Speaker 1: then they have to go through people being like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's go to the Fantasy sweets. So it's like boom
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Speaker 1: boom boom. So he left with then right away. When
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Speaker 1: I got my phone back the next day, I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just next Thomas and Sufi still wants to talk.
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Speaker 1: So um. I think like, had we had more time
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Speaker 1: in those last few days, the decision would have been
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Speaker 1: different and probably would have said, hey, let's leave the
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Speaker 1: beach and date, you know, not getting engaged, not go
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Speaker 1: to the fantasy suits, but still date. But because stations
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Speaker 1: for a while, I just like, I was like, I
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Speaker 1: can't do this a third time. So I kind of
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Speaker 1: just panicked internally. Interesting, Okay, but I was gonna say,
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Speaker 1: why didn't you feel like you could just say let's
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Speaker 1: go off and date. We obviously aren't at the point
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Speaker 1: to have overnights or anything like this, but I'd still
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Speaker 1: like to talk to you in the real world. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which I'm looking back now, I should have. I think
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Speaker 1: the main thing for me though, was the entire time
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Speaker 1: that we were on the beach together. It was smooth sailing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we really had no issues whatsoever, which freaked
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Speaker 1: me out because I was like, in a real relationship,
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Speaker 1: we need to of arguments, and I need to see
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Speaker 1: how you react when we're fighting or when things aren't
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Speaker 1: going your way. And I just thought like, for and
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Speaker 1: I will say this because I know people have said
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Speaker 1: like Thomas seems so well spoken and kind of scripted
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Speaker 1: and rehearsed, and like he's saying all the right things.
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Speaker 1: So when I was saying Thomas seems too good to
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Speaker 1: be true, that's like what I thought. I felt like
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Speaker 1: I only saw one side of him work he was
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Speaker 1: I was putting on this positive, brave face, but I
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Speaker 1: was like, I want to see more of a human
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Speaker 1: in you. I want to see more of the real, raw,
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Speaker 1: negative emotions at times. And so I felt like I
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Speaker 1: didn't quite fully know who he was at that point,
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Speaker 1: and that's again what kind of freaked me out. And
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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't be all in and be
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Speaker 1: leave here in another public relationship and see people have
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Speaker 1: us go off and nowhere together right now if I
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Speaker 1: don't feel a dent comfortable. And so that's why, really,
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Speaker 1: when we're out in the real world and finally had
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Speaker 1: our phones back and could start dating, you know, in
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Speaker 1: like the private way, because public as the show was
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Speaker 1: Aaron and I really got to know him for him
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Speaker 1: and fell for him, I would say, but I'm until
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Speaker 1: that point I felt like I was only I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm only getting like part of him, Like what am
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Speaker 1: I missing? And I got in a fight with my
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Speaker 1: producer at one point because I was like, I feel
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Speaker 1: like you guys are keeping something from me because I
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Speaker 1: see this man who basically I'm living with on the beach.
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Speaker 1: But then because I was also watching the episodes back
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Speaker 1: doing my podcast, but then I see this villain edit
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Speaker 1: whoeveryone's on the shell, Like what is it? What am
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Speaker 1: I missing? Worse than disconnect here, which really messed with
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Speaker 1: my mind. So Thomas, I have a question for you then,
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Speaker 1: because obviously we get paid on this podcast to have
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Speaker 1: an opinion. Oftentimes our opinion is just based on what
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Speaker 1: we see on television. You had a line this season
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Speaker 1: in paradise that I told Ashley on this podcast that
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Speaker 1: stood out to me. There's something really cool And I
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Speaker 1: don't even know if you meant to it, um, but
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Speaker 1: I think he told Anna. I believe it was Anna.
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Speaker 1: He said, Hey, this is paradise, a place for redemption,
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Speaker 1: Like it's a place to create your redemption story. And
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Speaker 1: I really felt like you did that here right, Like
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Speaker 1: obviously Becca is one of the women in this world
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Speaker 1: I care about the most and so very protective of her.
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Speaker 1: Um just from a distance, but um, she's just an
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Speaker 1: awesome girl. And so like when you guys started dating,
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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, what's going on here Ashley? And
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Speaker 1: I also I do want to give us some credit
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Speaker 1: even after your time on the Bachelor. At we're we
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Speaker 1: kind of defended you, like we we said, hey, I
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Speaker 1: don't think we're seeing this whole story, Like this doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel like that big a deal, Like you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's communicating himself perfectly, but like, um, but
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Speaker 1: like heay, he sees this thing as an opportunity. Who
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Speaker 1: does it? Who knows where this could lead? And maybe
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Speaker 1: it leads love. Hey, I appreciate your honesty too. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean at least you're open about it. But here's
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Speaker 1: my question comes you have now been criticized on The
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Speaker 1: Bachelor at as being too well spoken, people not getting
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Speaker 1: to know you, feeling like there's something hiding. Then Becca
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Speaker 1: feels that way initially too. Can you defend your I
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Speaker 1: guess it's not much of a question, and like, can
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Speaker 1: you defend where that comes from? Like why do you
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Speaker 1: think that is how you come off to people? Is
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Speaker 1: that how you want to come off to people? Like
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Speaker 1: like everything's put together? Um? And what would you say
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Speaker 1: that now after Paradise? So what I'd say is that's
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Speaker 1: something that's been something that's followed me historically. If we
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Speaker 1: talk about just a lifelong context, I've been hearing similar
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Speaker 1: things about that since my late college years and starting
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Speaker 1: transition professional world, and to me, there is a repeating
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Speaker 1: pattern there. And what I'm seeing there is, yes, people
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Speaker 1: they initially feel like this person can't be this happy,
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Speaker 1: go lucky guy who seems to have life together, it's
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Speaker 1: always positive and always looking at the bright side. At
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Speaker 1: the same time, I look at how long that's been
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Speaker 1: going on for and if people am saying that for
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Speaker 1: over ten years now, that's just who I am. And
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Speaker 1: it's something people can have an opinion about us. No
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Speaker 1: matter what we do, they're gonna take a thing one
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day. One of the reasons
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Speaker 1: why I wasn't phased by the criticism that I received
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Speaker 1: on the Bachelorette, initially on the beach and even with
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Speaker 1: Becca's I have the confidence that that is who I am,
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Speaker 1: and that's how I continue to show up because I
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Speaker 1: don't know how to do it any other way. And
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Speaker 1: now being able to see each other in the real world,
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Speaker 1: Becca saw that glimpse on the beach was wondering, all right,
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Speaker 1: what am I missing? I saw that I also had
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Speaker 1: the emotional component to really have that empathy towards her
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Speaker 1: situation and he desire to grow on our relationship. But
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Speaker 1: I am that happy, go lucky, positive guy who seemingly
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Speaker 1: has it together, but it's just as flawed as anybody else,
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Speaker 1: and it's just people decided to see what they want
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Speaker 1: to see. So I mean with that, then I would
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Speaker 1: imagine you know that, do you? I guess I should
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Speaker 1: ask you like, does that take work? Or is that
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Speaker 1: just who you are? And Becca, maybe you can answer
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Speaker 1: that too. Is after getting to spend some time with
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Speaker 1: Thomas Um at this point. You know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how many months it's been that you guys have kind
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Speaker 1: of rekindled and and dated and and been together often.
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Speaker 1: But maybe you both can just speak to what you've
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Speaker 1: seen Becca and then Thomas like, does that take work
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Speaker 1: to always be happy, go lucky? And there's maybe that confused?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that would confuse me if
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Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, that was my biggest insecurity buddy.
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Speaker 1: Like that. People the more they get to know me,
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Speaker 1: the more they the less they would like me because
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Speaker 1: they want to understand me. And I'm like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why you know, so like I can
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Speaker 1: kind of feel where you're coming from. It's like that's
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Speaker 1: just who I am. But I'm gonna let you two
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Speaker 1: speak to that. Um first, I would say, and this
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Speaker 1: is something that I believe I spent several times in
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Speaker 1: my interviews on the Beach. I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: ever aired, but like in the entire process of me
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Speaker 1: trying to get to know him, I kept saying, like
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Speaker 1: I want to know more sides of him, Like again,
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Speaker 1: I see this positive, happy, go lucky guy, which to me,
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Speaker 1: I just like I don't think people are fully used
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Speaker 1: to that. I can think of a handful of people
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Speaker 1: in my life that aren't that way, like my mom
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Speaker 1: being one of them. My mom is She's always been
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Speaker 1: someone when I've been own or cranky, like always looks
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Speaker 1: at the bright side and tries to build me up.
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Speaker 1: And I just wasn't used to that, and I would say,
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Speaker 1: maybe this is just my own thing? Is men being
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Speaker 1: like that? And so for a while when I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: is this really him or is it not. If that
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Speaker 1: is him, that's a beautiful thing, like, and I would
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Speaker 1: never want to change him, but I just want to
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Speaker 1: make sure I know what I'm getting into if this
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Speaker 1: is my partner, because I would hate to think that
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Speaker 1: that is him and then come back in the real
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Speaker 1: world and date in a public relationship in a public
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Speaker 1: way and then have him like completely change and pull
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Speaker 1: one e D on me, where I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I thought I felt for somebody on the beach, but
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Speaker 1: now you're acting different. And so that's where my main
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Speaker 1: holdup was, and and just getting to know him outside
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Speaker 1: of Paradise, because that's where I feel like our relationship
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Speaker 1: really took off, was when we could be on our
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Speaker 1: own on our own time, have our own conversations away
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Speaker 1: from the cameras and everyone, where I got to know
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Speaker 1: him for him, and of course, like the more time
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Speaker 1: you spend with somebody, the more sides you see to
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Speaker 1: them and the more trades you see. But he's still
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Speaker 1: always been that positive guy. And we laugh about it
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Speaker 1: because like we'll have arguments are all be down and
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Speaker 1: cranky or having a moment, and he's still so supportive
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Speaker 1: trying to build me up, and he'll laugh and he'll
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Speaker 1: be like, how much am I annoying you right now?
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Speaker 1: And like being so positive? And I'm like, yeah, a
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Speaker 1: little bit, but I still love you so but like
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Speaker 1: that's just who he is, and again, like it's just
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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing. But I just feel really lucky now
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Speaker 1: that I can see more sides where denn is who
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Speaker 1: he is, but he can also get real and raw
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Speaker 1: and open up, and you know, he has his moments
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Speaker 1: to where I have to kind of be more of
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Speaker 1: the supportive, positive one to build It's a good balance.
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Speaker 1: But but I just feel like I needed our time
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Speaker 1: away from the show to really feel comfortable and in
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Speaker 1: seeing that and being all in in the relationship that's great,
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Speaker 1: Yeah it is. And Becca, earlier, you mentioned that you
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Speaker 1: know you're watching the Bachelortte season kind of like through
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Speaker 1: throughout and a little bit before Paradise, And unlike most
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Speaker 1: girls who go to Paradise, they get to see like
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Speaker 1: two episodes of that Bachelorette season, they don't really get
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Speaker 1: to know the guys. You don't get to know really
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Speaker 1: who's a villain and who's not. But you, I'm assuming
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Speaker 1: we're getting you're getting some screeners if your a podcast,
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Speaker 1: so you're probably ahead of the game. And you knew
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Speaker 1: what was going on with Thomas and the storyline that
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Speaker 1: he had on Katie's season. Let's just dive a little
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Speaker 1: deeper into like how that affected your willingness to get
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Speaker 1: to know him in Paradise. Yeah, it was. It was
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Speaker 1: a weird position to be in, and looking back, I
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Speaker 1: don't like going into Paradise. I didn't want my life
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Speaker 1: and my priorities in my work to change. So that
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Speaker 1: was one of the things that I was like, if
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Speaker 1: I'm going to come down here, I still want to
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Speaker 1: be able to do the podcast, do work for my
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Speaker 1: wine label, like be as normal as possible and still
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Speaker 1: be able to get those tasks done. Um, I think
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Speaker 1: helped and hurt me both when I was down there,
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Speaker 1: because yeah, I was getting screeners earlier. So when I
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Speaker 1: actually the night I stepped onto the beach, I had
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Speaker 1: only seen I think the first two episodes, so he
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Speaker 1: really didn't have the bad edit at that. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: some some things raised, but nothing major. But then you know,
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Speaker 1: fast word. Now we're on the beach, We've had our
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Speaker 1: first date, and we've spent weeks together and really i
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Speaker 1: think started our relationship. That's when I started to get
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Speaker 1: the the episodes where you know, people started calling him out,
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Speaker 1: and so that's where I'm questioning the whole. It was
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Speaker 1: this weird like I'm seeing one side of him and
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing him get along with not only me, but
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Speaker 1: all of the other costs on the beach, with the producers,
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Speaker 1: you know, not really having any issues. I think I
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Speaker 1: came in after most of his drama was done with
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Speaker 1: Dammy and Aaron, and then I'm seeing him just being vilified.
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Speaker 1: Is that a word? Where? And it was weird to
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Speaker 1: me because when I'm watching it, I'm like, Okay, he
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Speaker 1: got asked he would ever consider being the bachelor to me?
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Speaker 1: In reality, like that's not that bad, you know, I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you would go to ninety por some of those
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Speaker 1: men they would say yes, let's crossed our mind, so like, yes,
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Speaker 1: we would say yes with the opportunity. So to have
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Speaker 1: it have it be so blown up and watching just
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Speaker 1: one top crap on him and Katy sent him home
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Speaker 1: in the way that it did to me, it just
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Speaker 1: didn't add up in general. But then I'm seeing this
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Speaker 1: whole other side and we're living with him day in
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Speaker 1: and day out, constantly together. It just didn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: So in my I'm like questioning the producers and like
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Speaker 1: what am I missing? Like what's going on? Because what
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Speaker 1: portray in one way on the show, and then he
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Speaker 1: seems great on the beach, So it's just this weird
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Speaker 1: trying to like navigate, you know, and seeing one thing.
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Speaker 1: Am I going to give him a chance and stay
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Speaker 1: open um? But it was tough, and honestly, I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's still ever. I don't think they would ever
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Speaker 1: allow anyone to um see early screeners and still be
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Speaker 1: going on the show to date people who are potentially
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Speaker 1: on that season. It was it was weird. It was
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Speaker 1: really weird. Well it worked. Thomas I want to ask you, then,
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Speaker 1: why did you go back? Like uh, and maybe you
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Speaker 1: could give us some context. Did you know how your
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Speaker 1: season the Bachelorette was even playing out when you're on
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Speaker 1: the beach. And then second, like if you did, why
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Speaker 1: did you choose to go to the beach knowing that
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Speaker 1: you know it wasn't like the best of times for you.
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Speaker 1: I had no idea of how everything is the air
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Speaker 1: hous re seed. We were actually already in quarantine filming
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Speaker 1: Paradise before the premiere for Bachelor even came out, So
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, in Paradise before the Bachelorette premiere and came out.
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Speaker 1: So we were just going on living in her life.
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Speaker 1: And I showed up in Paradise the same way that
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Speaker 1: I showed up in New Mexico. And that's why I
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Speaker 1: felt confident in doing it, because it was just I
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Speaker 1: only know one way to be and that's myself. And
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Speaker 1: the thing if you look at what happened in the
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Speaker 1: Bachelorette is because I was sort of the odd man
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Speaker 1: out because the same pattern somewhat started to try to
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Speaker 1: take place in Paradise, where when I was the competition,
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Speaker 1: I was perceived as a threat in this person that
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Speaker 1: had to be vanquished in some way, shape or form.
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Speaker 1: But as soon as I was solidified and I was
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Speaker 1: just with Becca, the same people who had all that
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Speaker 1: strife and conflict with me, you notice all that went
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Speaker 1: to the wayside and a lot of sire story pattern
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Speaker 1: that happened to the Bachelorette that led to a lot
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Speaker 1: of the forward momentum that led to my ultimate quote
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Speaker 1: unquote demise on that show. And that was all just
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Speaker 1: based off of being that happy, go lucky, positive guy
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Speaker 1: trying to reach out in love on everybody else and
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Speaker 1: in that environment, it's just not suited and it wasn't
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Speaker 1: received in a way that people thought was I could
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Speaker 1: possibly be this way. And the reason why I showed
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Speaker 1: up in Paradise is because I was like, no, I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to be deterred of being who I am
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Speaker 1: because of a NEGATI can right here and I believe
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Speaker 1: that this is something that could work. And the long behold,
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Speaker 1: we're here and it's it's something that could work. And
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Speaker 1: I mean, and you both know because you've been through
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Speaker 1: multiple seasons, like when you're filming and living in the moment,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem as extreme and heightened and I think
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Speaker 1: until you watch it back, you know, months later, when
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Speaker 1: they at the music and everyone's sound bite, and that's
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Speaker 1: when everything is And so I'm sure. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: can't speak for him, but I can assume that he knows.
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Speaker 1: He knows how he went home. He remembers the way
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Speaker 1: Katie spoke, how she sent him out the door. But
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Speaker 1: until you're watching it back and everything's pulled together, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's way worse than I expected to be. But so
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Speaker 1: he didn't see it at that point, and so I
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Speaker 1: was seeing that he had no idea. So I would
17:47
Speaker 1: come back at times from watching episodes, but it's not
17:50
Speaker 1: gonna be good for you. And the last question here
18:05
Speaker 1: for you and this and this about this for me,
18:07
Speaker 1: and maybe I should have a couple more you guys
18:09
Speaker 1: were just with Katie, uh this last weekend. I believe
18:12
Speaker 1: in San Diego and um, the Bachelor world's weird. I've
18:16
Speaker 1: learned that from the hard way. A couple of times,
18:18
Speaker 1: you know you have a vendetta against somebody, speak poorly
18:21
Speaker 1: about somebody, You are quick to judge somebody, and then
18:25
Speaker 1: you see him at an event about a week later
18:27
Speaker 1: and you confront it. Um, how was that, like, I mean,
18:32
Speaker 1: especially for you, Thomas Uh, entering back into this and
18:35
Speaker 1: knowing just kind of how you were treated and maybe
18:38
Speaker 1: some of it, you know, Katie can justify and say, hey,
18:40
Speaker 1: it's just what I was hearing. Like I'm not saying
18:41
Speaker 1: she was completely the wrong here, but for you to
18:44
Speaker 1: see her in person again, like, how did that go?
18:47
Speaker 1: It was cordial, It was quick, I mean from mental
18:50
Speaker 1: all that every single time, and I was asking about it.
18:53
Speaker 1: I haven't had any bit of bad blood in Amassy
18:55
Speaker 1: towards Katie. My first interview had I take four sponsibility
19:00
Speaker 1: for it, because if you put yourself in her position
19:03
Speaker 1: and she has pressure of what she was doing on
19:07
Speaker 1: her shoulder to begin with, then an entire collective of
19:09
Speaker 1: guys saying one thing and really hammering that home. He
19:14
Speaker 1: had no choice really other to send me home. Granted,
19:17
Speaker 1: she could have handled the circumstances around a little bit
19:19
Speaker 1: differently on how she sent me home, but at the
19:22
Speaker 1: end of the day, the way that she did it
19:24
Speaker 1: was actually something beneficial for me. And I looked at
19:26
Speaker 1: it as almost as a favor because the same thing
19:30
Speaker 1: that I said to Becca on the beach, it's just
19:32
Speaker 1: I don't like to live a life with any what ifs.
19:34
Speaker 1: The moment everything transpired the way that it did, I
19:37
Speaker 1: just knew those weren't people who were intended to be
19:39
Speaker 1: in my life in any way, shape or form outside
19:42
Speaker 1: of just acquaintances that we were around for a brief
19:45
Speaker 1: period of time. So to me, all of that was
19:48
Speaker 1: just water under the bridge. There's no lingering, hard feelings
19:51
Speaker 1: or ill will towards anyone in this entire experience to
19:54
Speaker 1: this point, and at the end of the day, this
19:57
Speaker 1: entire franchise is b surrounds the possibility of finding romance
20:02
Speaker 1: and finding love. So I look at where I am now,
20:05
Speaker 1: and as unconventional it is, I see myself as one
20:08
Speaker 1: of the most successful things that could have happened here
20:12
Speaker 1: because I found love and so it wasn't weird, it
20:17
Speaker 1: was easy, and I'm just I'm just glad every single
20:19
Speaker 1: day we all realized we're adults and we can lap
20:25
Speaker 1: that way, you know, acts like an adults and be
20:27
Speaker 1: mature about it, like we've all gone through way harder
20:31
Speaker 1: things in our life. So this when he says it's
20:34
Speaker 1: water under the bridge, I don't think anyone had any
20:36
Speaker 1: ill will or you know, alcohol helps we'll have some do. So.
20:44
Speaker 1: Blake was also there this weekend in San Diego, and
20:46
Speaker 1: he had so many things to say leading up to
20:50
Speaker 1: Paradise filming. You know, whether he's gonna be there, not
20:53
Speaker 1: gonna be there, date, you're not gonna date you like
20:56
Speaker 1: all these things swirling in bachelornation as to the decision
20:59
Speaker 1: for to be or not to be there. How did
21:02
Speaker 1: you feel about your name in his mouth so much?
21:08
Speaker 1: You mean, Blake wanted to be um. You know, Like,
21:18
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Blake and I and even when I
21:20
Speaker 1: saw this weekend, we hugged and I was like, it's
21:23
Speaker 1: good to see you at the end of the day,
21:24
Speaker 1: like I wish the best for you, and it was
21:28
Speaker 1: it was fine. Um. And we've always been in good standings,
21:33
Speaker 1: I would say, even after my season obviously, you know,
21:37
Speaker 1: like at that point it was weird because I broke
21:41
Speaker 1: up with him on natural television and got engaged to
21:43
Speaker 1: somebody else. But with that, like, there was never any
21:46
Speaker 1: ill will or bad blood between us. We've kept in contact,
21:49
Speaker 1: We've supported each other. We've been I think good supporters
21:54
Speaker 1: and I would say friends. I think there was just
21:58
Speaker 1: miscommunication and chalk it up to like men and women
22:02
Speaker 1: and how people communicate. Um, I always like been in
22:06
Speaker 1: I would say sporadic contact, but it was in my
22:09
Speaker 1: mind never something that was you know, serious as like
22:14
Speaker 1: a relationship would go. Um, and so like for me
22:19
Speaker 1: now it's like we all kind of know what goes
22:21
Speaker 1: on and who's dating who, and so in my mind
22:24
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, if I don't if like
22:29
Speaker 1: I just I guess I would to talk about somebody
22:31
Speaker 1: as much or you know, like the per focused on
22:35
Speaker 1: somebody in a relationship, if that makes sense. Um. Yeah,
22:40
Speaker 1: So it was strange, you know, that comfortable because he
22:42
Speaker 1: knew when he hadn't even said, like he's like, I
22:44
Speaker 1: know you're in a relationship and you're probably trying to
22:46
Speaker 1: protect something with Thomas. But yeah, I mean it was good.
22:50
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever you know, again, it's just
22:54
Speaker 1: communication between men and women and between the two of us.
22:56
Speaker 1: But I will always wishing the best and support him.
22:59
Speaker 1: We went to a show and Katie and I were
23:02
Speaker 1: up on stage with him, and so yeah, it's I
23:06
Speaker 1: think we'll always be cordial with each other in supportive.
23:08
Speaker 1: Obviously we're gonna be at Ben's wedding together, so yeah,
23:11
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys to settle like I saw each
23:14
Speaker 1: other before my wedding. I was selfishly, I'm very happy
23:19
Speaker 1: this happened this last weekend. You know, Nick and Caitlin
23:22
Speaker 1: did the same thing before our wedding, and we were
23:24
Speaker 1: also very grateful for it. I'm like, this is great
23:28
Speaker 1: you guys. You guys hash this out. Um, well, I
23:32
Speaker 1: do want to just hear from the two of you then,
23:35
Speaker 1: because obviously, you know, you both went on the paradise
23:38
Speaker 1: probably definitely with different stories, different intentions, and you know, um,
23:44
Speaker 1: now you sit here today on this podcast together, you're
23:47
Speaker 1: holding each other's legs, and you look really cute and
23:49
Speaker 1: good looking couple. Um, how does it feel like? How
23:54
Speaker 1: are you doing? How does this feel? Um? Where does
23:57
Speaker 1: where does this go? You wanta take it away? I'd
24:02
Speaker 1: say the most remarkable thing of all of it. It
24:05
Speaker 1: feels normal. It feels not like any other version of
24:09
Speaker 1: like a happy life should or imagine it would feel.
24:13
Speaker 1: And we wake up and we we take our dogs
24:16
Speaker 1: out and we drink coffee and we talked about what
24:18
Speaker 1: we need to do for the day, and it's so boring.
24:20
Speaker 1: We support each other through that dinner together and we
24:23
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the most simple, easy, beautiful thing
24:28
Speaker 1: that I could ask for. And I feel like when
24:30
Speaker 1: you find the right person, that's what it feels like.
24:33
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been I'm speaking for myself here,
24:36
Speaker 1: it's just been nothing short of everything I could have
24:38
Speaker 1: asked for. Yeah, it's uh. And maybe you I don't
24:44
Speaker 1: know if you can agree with this statement or not,
24:47
Speaker 1: but coming from the show and coming because then you
24:51
Speaker 1: obviously got engaged on your season, did you ever feel
24:54
Speaker 1: like there was some sort of pressure around that because
24:57
Speaker 1: you've got engaged on the ship, and so I think
25:00
Speaker 1: in the past relationships that you know, that was always
25:04
Speaker 1: a lingering feeling. I would say for me personally, now
25:08
Speaker 1: the first time where I don't feel that pressure. And
25:12
Speaker 1: that was the beautiful thing about how we could start
25:14
Speaker 1: our relationship was on all terms. After the show, away
25:17
Speaker 1: from the cameras, we could have the conversations, and one
25:20
Speaker 1: thing that I told him is I was like, we
25:24
Speaker 1: can we can take this slow and you can get
25:26
Speaker 1: to know me for me and see if I'm actually
25:28
Speaker 1: somebody that fits in your life and that you're compatible
25:30
Speaker 1: with and want to be with no pressure and if
25:32
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out between us, we can hopefully stay
25:35
Speaker 1: friends and have this school, weird, unique story behind us.
25:39
Speaker 1: But now I just feel like every day I wake
25:44
Speaker 1: up excited, but in a way where there's no pressure,
25:48
Speaker 1: in a way where we can just live our lives.
25:50
Speaker 1: And when I say like we're boring, we really do.
25:53
Speaker 1: Just you know, we wake up, walk the dogs, we
25:58
Speaker 1: get our work done, we go grow You're shopping nothing
26:01
Speaker 1: like wild and crazy and overly exciting, But to me,
26:05
Speaker 1: it's exciting because it's with him, And this is the
26:07
Speaker 1: first time where I just feel and I hate can
26:10
Speaker 1: see the word content, but I just feel content, happy,
26:15
Speaker 1: and like he's just like my calm place, and I've
26:18
Speaker 1: never felt like before. That's so sweet. Yeah, you're well, Hey,
26:23
Speaker 1: Ashley and I can both attest to being boring. Also, guys,
26:26
Speaker 1: I mean you were on stage at the concert last weekend. Um,
26:29
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything like that a lot. I raked
26:32
Speaker 1: my leaves yesterday and that was the thing I was
26:35
Speaker 1: most proud of. So we we get it here, Oh
26:39
Speaker 1: we yeah, we love we love the content nous. You
26:43
Speaker 1: guys said you said recently, Becca that you told your
26:48
Speaker 1: mom I see myself marrying this man, how is it
26:53
Speaker 1: different now than it was well, the previous two engagements. Yeah. Again,
26:59
Speaker 1: I think it's just on our own terms, no pressure,
27:02
Speaker 1: um I. And this is actually something too that I
27:05
Speaker 1: said on the show that they would never air. I
27:08
Speaker 1: know that they would never include this, but I think
27:10
Speaker 1: it was on our first one on one day, I
27:11
Speaker 1: told Thomas, I'm like, I want a partner, but I
27:15
Speaker 1: don't know if marriage is for me, um And I
27:18
Speaker 1: think that was just because I didn't find somebody that
27:21
Speaker 1: I was all in ready to commit to fully. Like. Yes,
27:26
Speaker 1: I was engaged in the past, and I was invested
27:29
Speaker 1: in those relationships. I don't want to downplay those. I
27:32
Speaker 1: would say maybe the first one doesn't count as much,
27:35
Speaker 1: but after my time, I'm about Surette definitely invested. But
27:39
Speaker 1: it just never felt fully right. And so that's why
27:41
Speaker 1: you know, there was never a wedding, there was never
27:43
Speaker 1: anything planned. And he's the first guy that I've been like,
27:49
Speaker 1: I can't picture my life without him. I want to
27:51
Speaker 1: do every day with him, boring or not. I want
27:54
Speaker 1: him to be by my side, and I want to
27:57
Speaker 1: invest and commit and and it just it just it's
28:02
Speaker 1: the first one that like really feels right, like really
28:05
Speaker 1: feels like this could be it. You know, you've you've
28:09
Speaker 1: mentioned it a few times, and I was just sitting
28:11
Speaker 1: here trying to think of you know, the pressure is
28:13
Speaker 1: a true thing. But you know, I was thinking, Okay,
28:18
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I understand exactly like in
28:20
Speaker 1: my relationships when I don't feel the pressure good or
28:24
Speaker 1: batter and different. And I really only felt pressure when
28:26
Speaker 1: things were going poorly or when I knew it wasn't healthy,
28:29
Speaker 1: or when I knew this wasn't right for both parties involved,
28:32
Speaker 1: like that both of us probably should be out of this.
28:34
Speaker 1: We're not our best versions of ourselves were not content
28:37
Speaker 1: the boring things aren't just boring their burdens um and
28:42
Speaker 1: every day felt like a tougher day. And that's when
28:44
Speaker 1: the pressure started to feel. But like in my relationship now,
28:48
Speaker 1: like contentment, I would say, is at the surface. I
28:51
Speaker 1: just told just this week, like I'm almost upset that
28:54
Speaker 1: I don't feel more anxiousness towards the wedding or nerves,
28:56
Speaker 1: Like I just feel good about it, like peaceful about it,
28:58
Speaker 1: Like I just feel excited that I'm marrying somebody that
29:02
Speaker 1: I love and that I don't feel pressure to marry her.
29:04
Speaker 1: In fact, it's just a decision I want to make.
29:07
Speaker 1: And so I think that's like it's like a magical,
29:10
Speaker 1: really beautiful thing you're saying is like the lack of pressure.
29:12
Speaker 1: Probably only happens, I would assume when things aren't going well,
29:16
Speaker 1: because then you feel like you gotta stick it out
29:18
Speaker 1: and there's no way out. So yeah, that's a good
29:21
Speaker 1: that's that's I don't know, I appreciate you saying that.
29:24
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of cool. Um, you are kind
29:27
Speaker 1: of like the second version of what's happened with Caitlin.
29:31
Speaker 1: You know, she was fully committed in a relationship for
29:34
Speaker 1: three years after being the lead, and now, look, you're
29:38
Speaker 1: it's very very similar end up with somebody from a
29:41
Speaker 1: different season and you were a lead, And I think
29:44
Speaker 1: it's cool. Yeah, And that's I mean, and I loveit.
29:49
Speaker 1: And she and she was really great and helps me
29:52
Speaker 1: through the break up because she was a past lead
29:55
Speaker 1: that was with her partner for a few years. It
29:58
Speaker 1: wasn't break up. She really did give it her all
30:02
Speaker 1: and so like going through that breakup, she helped me
30:04
Speaker 1: tremendously and even now just bonding with her over and
30:09
Speaker 1: we left about it now because she was on Katie
30:13
Speaker 1: season host invitation, got to know the guys, and I
30:16
Speaker 1: think she told Tea before coming on to Paradise, like
30:18
Speaker 1: watch out for two guys, watch out for Thomas, watch
30:21
Speaker 1: out for Erin and talking about that now. But yeah,
30:27
Speaker 1: it's it's it's nice to see other examples of relationships
30:32
Speaker 1: come from the show that aren't the conventional way or
30:36
Speaker 1: quote unquote like the right way of how things should
30:39
Speaker 1: have been done. But you still meet people in different
30:42
Speaker 1: avenues at different events or whatever. It might be part
30:46
Speaker 1: of vatination. Um, and that was very adamant. I was like,
30:48
Speaker 1: I don't want to date anyone else from the show, really,
30:50
Speaker 1: I don't want to have another public relationship. And I
30:53
Speaker 1: mean here I am months later, but um, but yeah,
30:57
Speaker 1: so she's been great to see and I would just
31:00
Speaker 1: hope that I know it's because so many contestants come
31:04
Speaker 1: from the show, and um, I think hopefully it can
31:07
Speaker 1: be a good thing for people to see someone in
31:10
Speaker 1: Thomas's position, who really got the short end of the
31:13
Speaker 1: stick and had a terrible the first time around, to
31:16
Speaker 1: still be open to finding somebody and whether it's with
31:20
Speaker 1: a friendship or an actual partner from the show in
31:23
Speaker 1: the franchise. Um, I think it's just gonna be nice
31:26
Speaker 1: for other people to see him and be like, Okay,
31:28
Speaker 1: you know he hadn't really go, but but it could
31:32
Speaker 1: still turn around. You never know. Yeah, Ben, about the
31:36
Speaker 1: conversation with hand. Of conversation was in the quote it
31:40
Speaker 1: was your past experiences don't define you here, and oh
31:44
Speaker 1: that was true first hand at the beach of my
31:47
Speaker 1: relationship with everyone who I had the time within New Mexico.
31:50
Speaker 1: And then that's just as true in life. And that's
31:53
Speaker 1: that's something that I'm glad she got to have that
31:55
Speaker 1: experienced just as well to anybody else. And I'm seeing
31:57
Speaker 1: that playout first hand. Yere meet exact scenario. Becker just
32:01
Speaker 1: went over, well, Thomas, if I filled out a jacket
32:05
Speaker 1: the way you do, I've been seen on Paradise also
32:07
Speaker 1: just to show off the arms, but I never went.
32:10
Speaker 1: There's a reason why because I have a hard time
32:13
Speaker 1: with even a small T shirt. So, um, if you
32:16
Speaker 1: have a beauty in a couple of weeks coming up,
32:20
Speaker 1: that's right, man, I'm so pumped. I'm getting really excited.
32:24
Speaker 1: Planning is planning is done. It's time to celebrate for
32:27
Speaker 1: a lot of the couples we get to see there
32:29
Speaker 1: their first I love yous on the show, but we
32:32
Speaker 1: didn't get to do that with you. So can you
32:34
Speaker 1: tell us about how that moment went down? Do you
32:37
Speaker 1: want me to tell me? If you want to tell it,
32:39
Speaker 1: I'll tell the first part you free him home? Yeah, okay, okay.
32:43
Speaker 1: So the first one that started in phase if there
32:46
Speaker 1: was I'm falling in love with you initially, and that
32:50
Speaker 1: was I went up to see her in l A
32:53
Speaker 1: and I walked through the door and I'm surprised with
32:56
Speaker 1: the most elaborate blanket for assembled in the middle of
32:59
Speaker 1: her living and it was just incredible. So we spent
33:02
Speaker 1: that night in a blanket for eating snacks, playing games.
33:07
Speaker 1: I looked over and I'm like, I'm falling in love
33:09
Speaker 1: with you. You know, you have the feeling long before
33:12
Speaker 1: you have the words to express it. And it was
33:15
Speaker 1: something I spelt continuing to bubble up me, bubble up
33:17
Speaker 1: in me. And then a week and half, two weeks later,
33:20
Speaker 1: we're here making dinner in San Diego. Yeah, we were
33:24
Speaker 1: just hanging out and he we were just sitting on
33:28
Speaker 1: his back balcony in front of the fire, drinking wine,
33:32
Speaker 1: talking and like you know when you just have word
33:36
Speaker 1: vomit and you're like, oh, it's gonna spill out of me,
33:38
Speaker 1: but I kind of want to keep I was trying
33:41
Speaker 1: to keep it in for a while and then all
33:43
Speaker 1: of the stollen, I just looked at him and what
33:46
Speaker 1: did I say. I was like, you know what, I
33:48
Speaker 1: think I'm falling in love with you, Thomas. And then
33:51
Speaker 1: right away you said it back, or you were like,
33:53
Speaker 1: I know you are something. But I was trying to
33:58
Speaker 1: hold it in for so long and has popped out. Obviously,
34:02
Speaker 1: thankfully he reciprocated it, because it could be gotten real awkward.
34:06
Speaker 1: But I think we just both felt it and we
34:08
Speaker 1: both knew and yeah, it was really it was one
34:11
Speaker 1: of those moments leading into it. We were about to
34:13
Speaker 1: staring at each other, giggling like little little school children,
34:16
Speaker 1: and it was just like I love you. Yeah, you
34:22
Speaker 1: mentioned l A and San Diego. I have to assume
34:25
Speaker 1: that the fact that you guys are so close geographically
34:29
Speaker 1: has really helped build the relationship. Yeah. Yeah, I think
34:33
Speaker 1: we really looked out in that department where because obviously
34:38
Speaker 1: everyone from the show was from all over the country
34:40
Speaker 1: or from Canada, and uh, it actually was one of
34:44
Speaker 1: our first conversations that kind of bonded us because I
34:47
Speaker 1: found what he lived in San Diego. I was like, oh,
34:49
Speaker 1: I used to live in that area. So we talked
34:51
Speaker 1: about our favorite restaurants and wine bars and coffee shops. Um.
34:54
Speaker 1: But it's been nice because it's only about a two
34:56
Speaker 1: and a half hour drive without traffic on a good day.
35:00
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun um because yeah, well we spend
35:04
Speaker 1: what would you say percent of our time together, ninety
35:07
Speaker 1: percent of our time together, and so it's it's fun
35:10
Speaker 1: because we both have home bases in the cities. But
35:14
Speaker 1: then it's like a little road trip back and forth.
35:16
Speaker 1: And he, I know, would like me to already be
35:18
Speaker 1: living in San Diego, but I just bought a house,
35:21
Speaker 1: so I gotta gotta say, but it's it's an adventure.
35:26
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's so nice if he's close. I can't
35:28
Speaker 1: imagine having to fly back in fourth places. It would
35:31
Speaker 1: just be too tough. We had the proximity which allowed
35:33
Speaker 1: us to spend the nights of the time together with
35:36
Speaker 1: with each other, and more important, we had that time
35:39
Speaker 1: together away from the cameras, having to be indoors, having
35:43
Speaker 1: to have or just intimate one on one time. That
35:47
Speaker 1: to me, I feel like it was the biggest thing
35:50
Speaker 1: we could have had to start a relationship, because at
35:51
Speaker 1: that point, it's all right, we just spent three and
35:53
Speaker 1: a half months confined in our homes with nothing but
35:57
Speaker 1: each other to keep us distracted. And that's Ill, someone
36:00
Speaker 1: who we continue to fall in love with deeper and
36:02
Speaker 1: deeper each day. And I mean like building a foundation
36:05
Speaker 1: on a pillar of stone instead of sand in that way.
36:07
Speaker 1: And now we have to go explore. It costs want
36:12
Speaker 1: to go grocery shopping in exactly. And then and then
36:15
Speaker 1: for us, like what we saw this with we have
36:18
Speaker 1: that deep lovel contentment in the normal quote unquote simple things,
36:24
Speaker 1: and that was heavily attributed to us having that first
36:27
Speaker 1: three and a a half months just being able to be
36:28
Speaker 1: close and spend time each other's homes. I don't know
36:31
Speaker 1: how in the world do you hide, Thomas, I don't
36:33
Speaker 1: know how. Like there's some people in this franchise that
36:35
Speaker 1: you can sneak in with a mustache and a backwards
36:38
Speaker 1: hat and sunglasses, But fella, that's not easy to sneak
36:42
Speaker 1: you around. Y Yeah, really go to public Besides, we
36:48
Speaker 1: would take the dogs on walks and go to parks,
36:50
Speaker 1: and I could tell when he would get spotted. You know,
36:54
Speaker 1: you always see some gas and so I would just
36:57
Speaker 1: always beloinded away so they didn't see me. And then
37:00
Speaker 1: he gets stopped and it would look, you know, look
37:02
Speaker 1: like he was alone. But it's funny because and then
37:06
Speaker 1: you probably get this all the time because you're a
37:08
Speaker 1: tall guy when you're walking through the airport or the
37:11
Speaker 1: grocery store and people orcognize you. It's like and it's
37:14
Speaker 1: just reactions to him, Yeah, you don't hide, we don't hide. Well, um,
37:19
Speaker 1: but that's okay. Hey, so it's fine. Um, Actually anything else. Oh,
37:23
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say if I could, do you
37:24
Speaker 1: have any regrets now buying the house? Because you look
37:28
Speaker 1: for a whole year for a house, basically you said
37:30
Speaker 1: on Instagram and now you're like, oh, man, do I
37:34
Speaker 1: want to be stuck in l A Or do I
37:36
Speaker 1: want to be in San Diego? You know what? Um,
37:40
Speaker 1: a little bit, But I'm so still proud of myself
37:44
Speaker 1: that I was able to find one and just do
37:47
Speaker 1: it on my own and worst case scenario, I'll just
37:51
Speaker 1: still keep it for a while and use it as
37:52
Speaker 1: an investment or a rental property. Um, but yeah, it's
37:57
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that. I mean, it was not ideal,
38:01
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna make actually good story because the day
38:06
Speaker 1: I officially closed on the house was the last day
38:09
Speaker 1: of Paradise. So I got back to the hotel because
38:14
Speaker 1: I just broke up with him and I I then
38:16
Speaker 1: re credited that and I was like, oh man, I
38:18
Speaker 1: have these one. So I'm sobbing all on the bed.
38:22
Speaker 1: And my one of my best friends, who is also
38:24
Speaker 1: as the producer, also used the same realtor and lender
38:28
Speaker 1: that I used. I bought all these texting calls in
38:32
Speaker 1: from them, and she was like, fat guy, I know
38:33
Speaker 1: your chad right now, but you just close down your home.
38:36
Speaker 1: Like yeah, now we know why you You're in a
38:38
Speaker 1: rush out of here. This all makes sense now. Beca
38:41
Speaker 1: is like I closed at a house in two hours. Thomas,
38:43
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, this isn't gonna make sense, but I'm out, Like,
38:46
Speaker 1: we'll talk later. We'll figure this out in a couple
38:48
Speaker 1: of hours. Hey, you two are great. Thanks for joining
38:51
Speaker 1: us today. We really appreciate you coming on the Almost
38:53
Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Best of luck to both of you. Thanks
38:56
Speaker 1: for sharing your story. Thanks so much what a really
39:10
Speaker 1: happy couple. I mean that that is something special. And
39:13
Speaker 1: I know people still have their reservations about Thomas Um,
39:16
Speaker 1: but you know, I am protective of Becca because I
39:19
Speaker 1: got to spend so much time with her and I
39:20
Speaker 1: know what her heart desires. And it feels like I mean, Ashley,
39:24
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm crazy, it just feels like they're good.
39:27
Speaker 1: Like no pressure on them, but it just feels like
39:28
Speaker 1: they're good. I know, I feel really good about them.
39:31
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see where the year takes them. And uh, well,
39:35
Speaker 1: it's now time for one of our favorite parts with
39:37
Speaker 1: our resident expert, Ashley I ken Eddie breaking down all
39:40
Speaker 1: the headlines and bachelor in Bachelor Nation. Here we go.
39:44
Speaker 1: First headline is this. This is a cute one Bachelor
39:47
Speaker 1: Paradise is Noah crashes car into house while kissing Abigail. This,
39:51
Speaker 1: according to Eat, this is crazy. I heard about this
39:54
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. So on Thursday, October four,
39:58
Speaker 1: Noah got on his Instagram stories and he described what
40:01
Speaker 1: happened that night. He goes, just took Abigail out to
40:04
Speaker 1: a nice dinner and we're enjoying ourselves. Incredible experience. Food
40:08
Speaker 1: was great, we hopped in the car. We start listening
40:10
Speaker 1: to Annie of all things, the sun will come out,
40:13
Speaker 1: tomorrow comes on, it starts raining. The mood is getting right.
40:20
Speaker 1: We get to my house. I stopped the car. I
40:23
Speaker 1: look at Abigail and I think, dang, she looks really pretty.
40:27
Speaker 1: So I start kissing her. And it turns out I
40:30
Speaker 1: never put the car in park and I rolled right
40:33
Speaker 1: through my grass and hit my house. He says, it is.
40:39
Speaker 1: It's very cute, genuinely small little kiss turned into me
40:43
Speaker 1: hitting the house. I've never done that before. I wouldn't
40:45
Speaker 1: think I'd ever do that. It's absurd, But here I
40:48
Speaker 1: am letting all the things go into shambles for a
40:52
Speaker 1: little bit of love, which is adorable. I wonder if
40:55
Speaker 1: there was actual damage to the house. There's a little tap. Yeah,
40:58
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, a car part going into the siding
41:01
Speaker 1: will definitely cast some issues. But what a story to
41:04
Speaker 1: joke about one day later on Guess his foot wasn't
41:07
Speaker 1: on the gas. Well that's that's even better. Yeah, that
41:10
Speaker 1: would cost names. Well. Hey. Madison Pruett revisits Tints Peter
41:14
Speaker 1: Weber after the Final Rose and new book. She's a
41:17
Speaker 1: new book coming out. If you didn't know this. Has
41:19
Speaker 1: she spoken to the bachelor? The headline questions this. According
41:23
Speaker 1: to US Weekly, Okay, so, she says that the pair,
41:27
Speaker 1: the two of them have multily have mutual friends, but
41:32
Speaker 1: they have had no direct contact. She says, through mutual friends,
41:36
Speaker 1: there have been conversations circulating. We have not seen each
41:40
Speaker 1: other since the finale. We don't talk or anything like that.
41:44
Speaker 1: I have nothing but the best to say about him.
41:47
Speaker 1: I think he's an incredible guy. And everyone goes off
41:50
Speaker 1: of what they see on an edit on a TV screen,
41:54
Speaker 1: but people have to remember that every single one of
41:56
Speaker 1: us are human beings and things can be depicted in
41:59
Speaker 1: a certain way, but we have real feelings. Blah blah,
42:03
Speaker 1: blah blah. They haven't seen each other, they have not talked. Yeah,
42:07
Speaker 1: a long story, sure, they haven't. Talke about her new
42:09
Speaker 1: book is coming out. Well. Michelle Young teases three guys
42:13
Speaker 1: fans should keep their eyes on ahead of Bachelorette premiere.
42:16
Speaker 1: This according to ET Okay, Yeah, so e T says
42:19
Speaker 1: these are the guys that we need to look out for.
42:22
Speaker 1: Clayton who apparently he's a sweetheart and is the new bachelor.
42:26
Speaker 1: So of course we have our eye on him. Rod
42:29
Speaker 1: Wait time out? Can I pause you? There? Isn't it
42:32
Speaker 1: weird that, like the show hasn't officially announced Clayton as
42:35
Speaker 1: their bachelor, like yet Jesse Palmer post a picture with
42:38
Speaker 1: him on Instagram. Thank you? So weird? I was like,
42:43
Speaker 1: is this the official announcement? Did I not see it?
42:47
Speaker 1: Very odd? Very very odd? Okay, So then we apparently
42:51
Speaker 1: need to look out for Rodney and Jamie who left
42:59
Speaker 1: a very memory dorble first impression and was oh Michelle's
43:03
Speaker 1: first one on one. Okay, So Rodney, Clayton and Katie
43:09
Speaker 1: Thurston fires back at social media speculation about Blake Moyne's
43:13
Speaker 1: engagement disuccording to US Weekly, Okay, so there are people saying,
43:17
Speaker 1: are you okay? Is it okay? You guys aren't liking
43:20
Speaker 1: each other's posts. Oh, they're not liking each other's post
43:24
Speaker 1: that okay? Now what a second? This is this stupid?
43:29
Speaker 1: I think that that is actually a little weird. You
43:32
Speaker 1: don't have to comment under each post, but you're not
43:34
Speaker 1: gonna like each post? You don't. You're telling me I
43:37
Speaker 1: don't like everyone of Jessica's not on purpose, Like you're
43:42
Speaker 1: doing a great job, sweetie. No, I sure it is,
43:46
Speaker 1: but like, I'm not on my phone that much, and
43:48
Speaker 1: so if she posts on social media, I don't see it,
43:52
Speaker 1: Like I don't go back through and like, look at
43:54
Speaker 1: all the pictures she posted. I just like, it's not
43:56
Speaker 1: like if I saw one of hers, of course I
43:57
Speaker 1: would like it, I'd probably comment, But often times I
44:00
Speaker 1: don't even see half the stuff she's posting because I'm
44:02
Speaker 1: just not on it, Okay. And if he's in Africa, like,
44:06
Speaker 1: that's the real different, yeah, because he's probably posting twelve
44:11
Speaker 1: hours before she's actually getting on her phone. So in
44:14
Speaker 1: those twelve hours and vice versa, fans are like, oh,
44:18
Speaker 1: they haven't liked that picture yet, Well, yeah, because the
44:20
Speaker 1: time change. But anyway, this is what Katie said. She says,
44:23
Speaker 1: imagine your fiance has been on his stories for weeks
44:27
Speaker 1: in Kenya, working his butt off, and yet this is
44:31
Speaker 1: what people notice. She goes. But liking posts equal to love?
44:36
Speaker 1: I thought, Um, that's that's what a Twitter Twitter person said.
44:41
Speaker 1: Liking posts equals to love, I thought, And then she said,
44:44
Speaker 1: I guess that's love one all right. So you know,
44:50
Speaker 1: if you want to really like get into this with
44:52
Speaker 1: Bachelor passer Nation world like Kaylin and Dean. They don't
44:57
Speaker 1: even like follow each other. Yeah, everybody's silly. Everbody silly.
45:00
Speaker 1: Come on, if they're together, they're together. If they're not,
45:03
Speaker 1: to let us know and we'll be the first to
45:04
Speaker 1: announce it. Well. Hey uh. Caitlin Bristow and Tatia Adams
45:07
Speaker 1: react to Jesse Palmer being named host of The Bachelor.
45:10
Speaker 1: This Corney et M so so our friend Lauren Zima.
45:15
Speaker 1: She spoke to both the girls, and this was what
45:19
Speaker 1: Caitlin said. I think it makes sense to have women
45:22
Speaker 1: around the bachelorette and men around for the Bachelor, just
45:25
Speaker 1: to be supportive. He's been the Bachelor, we've been bachelorette.
45:29
Speaker 1: It's kind of nice to have that perspective. I'm here
45:31
Speaker 1: to validate your feelings or what you're going through, you know.
45:34
Speaker 1: I think it brings a whole new perspective perception to
45:38
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and the Bachelorette. That's a Tastia said. She said,
45:41
Speaker 1: I think with Jesse we might be able to bring
45:45
Speaker 1: it back to how the franchise used to be. Um,
45:47
Speaker 1: he can give some pretty good pointers. I'm excited for him. Um.
45:51
Speaker 1: I think it's good for Jesse to come on there
45:53
Speaker 1: you go. Well we got our I think they're called
45:55
Speaker 1: host now I get confused. Our host Caitlin Bristol and
45:58
Speaker 1: Tatia Adams of The Bachelorette comedy on Jesse Palmber. That's
46:01
Speaker 1: all the headlines we have for you today. Um, super thankful,
46:04
Speaker 1: uh for all of these headlines and all the madness
46:07
Speaker 1: the Bachelor is in the Bachelor world is creating. Well, hey,
46:10
Speaker 1: let's take a break here and we come back. We're
46:12
Speaker 1: gonna have Alexis the winner of our Bachelor in Paradise
46:14
Speaker 1: bracket league. Al Right, guys, we are joined right now
46:28
Speaker 1: by our Bachelor in Paradise bracket winner or league or
46:33
Speaker 1: league winner. She got the most answers right every single week.
46:39
Speaker 1: So Alexis, congratulations on being a Bachelor fanatic. Thanks, I'm
46:43
Speaker 1: proudly am one. Are you a fan of the podcast to? Yeah?
46:46
Speaker 1: So I started watching The Bachelor during Ben's season with
46:52
Speaker 1: one of my really good friends MIXI in college. We
46:55
Speaker 1: were u in the in our program that we were
46:58
Speaker 1: in in school, like every but he watched it and
47:01
Speaker 1: so we're like, well, let's give it a shot then.
47:02
Speaker 1: Ever since then, yeah, I've been pretty die hard about it.
47:06
Speaker 1: Amazing who's your favorite couple to come out of the
47:09
Speaker 1: franchise And you don't have to name me? Um, you
47:14
Speaker 1: don't have to, but other than me, how conceded? Is
47:22
Speaker 1: that so silly? Yeah? I'm really enjoying um Katie and Blake.
47:29
Speaker 1: I felt like it was like good, a good match.
47:32
Speaker 1: So thinking although there's been some things that have been
47:36
Speaker 1: I don't know going on. I guess people are like
47:38
Speaker 1: concerned that he's not commenting on our stuff even though
47:41
Speaker 1: he's in Africa. Yeah. I think I don't know, we're
47:44
Speaker 1: not reading too far into that here, Like we're like
47:47
Speaker 1: he's an Africa, Like, give the guy a break. He
47:49
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be on social media right now. Yeah. Yeah,
47:52
Speaker 1: it's silly to feel any pressure to right under every
47:55
Speaker 1: one of your significant other pictures on Instagram. Who were
47:59
Speaker 1: you already for this Paradise season? Oh well, definitely Joe
48:03
Speaker 1: and Serena It Yeah, they were just so cute. But um,
48:08
Speaker 1: I during um Riley and Marissa's engagement, I guess it
48:14
Speaker 1: was prior like the Fantasy Suite. I thought, just being
48:17
Speaker 1: so like open with his feelings and so genuine and
48:21
Speaker 1: the whole Sunday morning thing was just like so cute.
48:25
Speaker 1: So those are my my two couples. You know, obviously
48:30
Speaker 1: you're the first inaugural winner of our almost famous Bachelor bracket,
48:34
Speaker 1: and many people out there listening right now are wondering
48:38
Speaker 1: what was your strategy, Like, how did how when you
48:40
Speaker 1: went into every week, how did you pick your people?
48:42
Speaker 1: What did you think through? Share some insight? Yeah, I
48:46
Speaker 1: would rewatch the previews like a bunch of times, and
48:51
Speaker 1: I didn't want to forget my like to pick my people.
48:54
Speaker 1: So I had watched right out there the episode I
48:56
Speaker 1: would make. I would pick my team. And then um,
48:59
Speaker 1: there's actually this YouTube channel Bachelor Fantake, and I like,
49:05
Speaker 1: I feel like you should be part of the FBI
49:06
Speaker 1: or something because he will take the whatever one minute
49:10
Speaker 1: preview and turn it into like a fifteen minute video
49:13
Speaker 1: and he like super analyzes everything, and so I would
49:18
Speaker 1: rewatch that that would help me pick my team. Okay, well,
49:22
Speaker 1: alexis that begs the question that we bring up every week?
49:26
Speaker 1: Did you see Marissa kissing Tamar? No? I didn't, which
49:30
Speaker 1: I was yeah, whenever I want to see that clip.
49:34
Speaker 1: I haven't looked it up yet, but when you guys
49:36
Speaker 1: mentioned it the first time, I remember seeing them on
49:40
Speaker 1: the couch. But I don't remember that, and I was
49:42
Speaker 1: really surprised that I didn't catch it, So I don't know.
49:48
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a direct message this week that
49:51
Speaker 1: explained the video. Somebody did an FBI type investigation and
49:55
Speaker 1: I guess it was really good editing, so it was
49:57
Speaker 1: like meant to be seen like that, but said it
50:00
Speaker 1: was the weird angles and it wasn't themar and that
50:03
Speaker 1: was good editing. I'm going to believe it even though
50:05
Speaker 1: I watched it. I'm like, I don't know how they
50:07
Speaker 1: did that, but um, I mean, it feels like we're
50:10
Speaker 1: the only one super super engaged in this conversation, so
50:14
Speaker 1: that that d M made sense to me. Now, Alexis
50:16
Speaker 1: we had I don't know how many. I think we
50:18
Speaker 1: had close to maybe over two thousand people joined this bracket.
50:21
Speaker 1: How does it feel to be the winner? Like? Do
50:23
Speaker 1: you win a lot of things in your life? Honestly,
50:26
Speaker 1: I consider myself to be a pretty lucky person. Um,
50:30
Speaker 1: but I think I'm more just competitive, and especially when
50:34
Speaker 1: it's like the end goal is something that I actually want,
50:37
Speaker 1: you know, So, um we I've done a fantasy league before.
50:42
Speaker 1: My best friend April we've done one just like by ourselves. Um.
50:47
Speaker 1: And so this was the first time that I've ever
50:49
Speaker 1: done batch Bracket. Actually it was the second time I
50:51
Speaker 1: did it for Tassias season. But it was kind of hard, um,
50:55
Speaker 1: But I felt like it was a lot more fun
50:57
Speaker 1: because there's so many things that you can get points for. Um.
51:02
Speaker 1: Because Paradise is just so unpredictable. You know. Well, Alexa,
51:06
Speaker 1: you're a winner, and so is your cat. You guys,
51:08
Speaker 1: we've been able to watch her cat be just all
51:11
Speaker 1: love EBB up on her and he's he or she's
51:13
Speaker 1: perfect for Halloween. He looks like Salem. Yeah, Alexis, your
51:19
Speaker 1: cat is is a superstar. I mean even even decided
51:24
Speaker 1: to take a bath on screen. That's pretty impressive. That's
51:26
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people aren't familiar with doing.
51:28
Speaker 1: No shame, No shame at all, Alexis, Are you gonna
51:31
Speaker 1: play in the almost famous Season two Bachelor at Brackett?
51:36
Speaker 1: Of course I'm hooked now I have to. Yeah, it
51:40
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. I'd see how many people like
51:42
Speaker 1: joined the league, and it kept going up the whole time,
51:45
Speaker 1: So no matter what, people kept wanting to join, and
51:51
Speaker 1: I was I think what motivated me to keep going
51:54
Speaker 1: was that I was tied for first with one other person.
51:58
Speaker 1: For me, I'm and I have to have to win.
52:01
Speaker 1: So well, Alexas, thanks for playing, and thanks for coming
52:05
Speaker 1: on to say hey, we appreciate it, and we appreciate
52:08
Speaker 1: your listenership. You're so sweet, and we will see you
52:12
Speaker 1: on the bracket. I bet we see you back here
52:16
Speaker 1: at some point I could see I could see a
52:17
Speaker 1: two pee out of Alexis in the next couple of seasons. Yeah.
52:21
Speaker 1: I wonder if I'm gonna like eventually just become part
52:23
Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation. Let's let's make it happen on my
52:28
Speaker 1: own podcast. I've actually met you both before, well in
52:32
Speaker 1: a way. Um, Ashley, you made a cameo with Jared
52:37
Speaker 1: for my best friend's birthday. Um. And then I went
52:42
Speaker 1: to We and the same best friend, April, we went
52:44
Speaker 1: to a Bachelor Live on stage in Portland's and did
52:48
Speaker 1: like sweet experience. How was that? Did you enjoy it? Oh? Yeah,
52:52
Speaker 1: we went. I mean, like I said, like, we're big fans,
52:56
Speaker 1: and I'm April is also like an incredible fan more
53:00
Speaker 1: than me. I'm surright she didn't. If she would have
53:02
Speaker 1: done the bracket, she would have won, so maybe she'll
53:04
Speaker 1: be my competition for the next season. Yeah, well I uh,
53:10
Speaker 1: Jessica is at that show. Portland's one of our favorite spots.
53:13
Speaker 1: Thanks for saying hi again. It's it's it's good to
53:15
Speaker 1: see you. There's a lot of people on that tour um,
53:18
Speaker 1: but it's nice to have you back. So Alexis, uh,
53:21
Speaker 1: thank you. Uh, and we will be chatting again, I
53:24
Speaker 1: bet very soon. That's my guest. Well, it's great to
53:29
Speaker 1: have Alexis on the podcast. I have a feeling we'll
53:31
Speaker 1: be hearing from her again. What a great episode. Uh,
53:34
Speaker 1: Thomas and Becca. I mean, we'll post some clips, but
53:37
Speaker 1: they were just like holding on to each other the
53:39
Speaker 1: whole time. It seems like they're they're doing really well.
53:41
Speaker 1: It's really cool something the celebrate. Well, hey, uh, we'll
53:44
Speaker 1: talk to you again tomorrow. Uh. Breaking down this week's
53:49
Speaker 1: episode of the Bachelorette with the Bachelor atte Michelle Young.
53:51
Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome, It's gonna be incredible. But until then,
53:54
Speaker 1: I've been been follow the Benn and Ashley I All
54:00
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