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Brandon Mcdonald got DISSED by Ranch Fairy! (Mexico 2025 with MFJJ & BMAC) · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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It's been a a journey for me to learn how to use that jam room,
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but I've been attempting. A prosperous journey.
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I'm getting better. You are.
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Dude, so you can. There's a definite quality
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difference that you notice when you do use it.
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But I am kind of jealous of the yeah, of the camcorder for
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sitting in the blind, for sure. Oh, mine's coming back out for
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sure. Yeah, I think.
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So although if I try to run that set up like Bo Mars got where
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it's double S, then there's no point and you can't do that and
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you don't either. That's Slick has that too.
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That's our plate. Yeah, yeah.
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No, that's right at the house, right?
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Now that's a crazy. That's a crazy.
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That's kind of an interesting thing that we talked about about
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this trip was like the usages that are optimal for different
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types of cameras. And because we all have do this
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a lot and we all film different types of stuff, I feel we're in
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a unique position a little bit to say for like this type of
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filming, this is the best, but for this, this is way better.
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You know, it's kind of interesting, I think when you
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start your journey as like a content person, you start with
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like one thing and then you're well, for this, this would be
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better than before you know it. Josh has 40 cameras with them
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like. So many cameras on the side.
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You go, Sir, you have to pay money to get the country.
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Look at you that expensive give money.
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So in your professional. Yeah, that's what he said.
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It's like, no. No leisure.
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Leisure vacation. Well, we did.
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He's like you say, porno filming, I'm filming.
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Pornos. Yeah, then they're totally.
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Cool. Tell me, tell me about, tell me
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about getting pulled over by security because I sort of did,
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but not really. I'll tell you mine real quick.
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So I go through the scanner, through the customs, and they
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pull out my binal harness and they're like this.
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At the binos. No, the harness and I go.
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So I opened it for him and he pulls out the binoculars.
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He's like. He's like a chip.
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It puts it away and then and then he's like trying to look in
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the bottom but can't. Say you say it's not offensive
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because he's a Mexican. What is happening?
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You acted like he. I did the exact same thing you
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did. I just made noises.
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He didn't make chimp noises and I think that's really what
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that's. Different hold.
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On SO, yeah, I think that's. The that is the racist.
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Part. It's not vibrant, it's meant to
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imply the ignorance of somebody who doesn't know what binoculars
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are. Which is hilarious when they're
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airport security. But so then I open the bottom
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and that that vinyl artist has that range Finder on the bottom.
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So I pull it out. Yeah, it it did get pretty funny
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looking through both sides of it.
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And I'm like. It tells you I'm.
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Trying to tell him what it does and he's like ranging it but
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it's not working. I'm like it's glass.
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It won't might not work on glass.
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Rains that work? It was this whole thing.
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And I'm like, he's going to take it for sure.
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This is going to suck. In the background going eat
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cocaine. But anyway, I got through, but
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you got shooken down even harder.
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Yeah, like they, I'm pretty sure they profiled me.
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Not not exaggerating because like, I can see the guy looking
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at me while I'm in line before it's even my turn.
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And as soon as he puts the stuff on the machine, he's pointing at
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me to put it over there where everyone's going through on the
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right and he over there. Yeah.
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Fuck. Subtle.
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You guys throw all my stuff and I'm literally helping him open.
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It's like he's trying to figure out open up.
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Like, no, no, if you open from here, it's easier.
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Went through all my stuff and was nitpicking every last little
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thing, like every last little thing.
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Like he's so looking for something to charge me for take
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from me. And then he opens my camera case
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and he just starts asking questions about it, which he
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doesn't even know what I'm saying back to him.
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Yeah. Is how much, How much, how much
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for this? It's like they're trying to find
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enough functional dollars worth of something that they know they
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can charge you and you'll pay it right.
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So in any event, they they told me I had to like, oh, you need
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to pay like a 200 US. I'm like, what?
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No, I've I've brought this through here at like 3 times.
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Yeah, nobody's ever tried to take money and they take me back
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to a a backroom and literally I'm like, I'm about fighting
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with the fucking. Guy, Yeah, you're about to get
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water boarded. Yeah, I know.
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I know and then he tries to look at me.
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He goes if you no pay, we take what do you do?
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Yeah, I don't know. I'm texting my God, I'm like,
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hey, they're trying to make me pay money.
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He's like, don't give them anything.
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And I'm like, well, now this makes it worse because you know
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not to do this. And he was trying to get in.
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They wouldn't let him in. Alex was trying to get back into
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the customs to so I because so he could speak Spanish and I
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could get the fricking out the heck out of there.
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Ended up getting shaken down for $92.
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That's better. Than didn't you say at one point
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at 1:00? Point they were trying to tell
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me it was $1700. Yeah.
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Like he was put like in the pacer converter and he was
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showing Josh like 7 like no. Yeah, that's so great.
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No. Yeah, that's crazy.
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God. Yeah, so if you want to support
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Josh when he gets his cameras taken heading back home, you can
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use. They don't take all the back.
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Home. It's English, yeah, but I
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appreciate. The but if you get him to 100K
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subscribers, his total pay get you all 15% all of January.
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Personally, I think we should stop talking about it so it
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stops at like 99,000 and something, something just I
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would love that rolls into January 1st and then boom,
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perfect. But no, it's not.
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It's worth. It's coming.
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Yeah. And then we still.
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Have what, 26 days? Yeah, like, yeah.
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But anyways, yeah, that's how you can support his cameras
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getting seized. Podium archer.com, Yeah.
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Yeah, discountgear.com. Team BD 20% Team.
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BDI am going to get some of that gear 20.
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Percent's us like that's, you know, it's a press and it's a
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discount. Yeah, you know.
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You know what I'd like to commend you on on that, on that
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coupon code, is that people have to kind of guess what it stands
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for. But they don't.
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But they do. Yeah.
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That's like last night. And I know about that.
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Yeah. Well, it's kind of like mine
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too. People kind of got to guess, but
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they kind of know what they kind of got to guess.
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I don't know. Yeah, it's like you're being
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naughty without proving you're naughty.
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And it's so. You because you are.
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Nasty, nasty. So yeah, anyway, we're we're in
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Mexico. For those who don't know this
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podcast, I don't know if it'll come out before or after y'all,
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but either way, check out their podcast, Cody Marching podcast.
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And yeah, it's been fun. What rate the food?
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Give me a food rating one to 10 while we've been here and what's
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been each Give me your top three meals.
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You definitely are more cultured than I should, so you should go
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for. 3rd place to personal, that's a little more so go for
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3rd, 2nd. That's a tough one for for me to
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go for three. Top three.
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I know what my top. One is I bet we all have the
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same top. One, but we'll, I don't know.
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You know what, like I feel like the mule deer and the carne
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asada for me were were. Kind of tied for first.
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That's one and two, yeah, for sure.
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So what do you slot in three? And it could be a breakfast, it
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could be a lunch, it could be a dinner.
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Yeah, it might be that break this breakfast this morning.
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Actually, I really liked it. Like it was like a heavy layer
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of beans on these handmade tortillas and then a nice egg,
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onion, pepper mix with the habanero sauce on it and then
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immediately go take a raging fire up afterwards.
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But it was worth it. Oh yeah, the old Taco Bell.
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We've been Taco. Surprised you didn't throw the
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quesadillas in there 'cause you can run it back.
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Quesadilla. Porter Bar.
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Right by the damn. I'm so impressed with how I feel
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down here though. Like I feel said that every,
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every bit of food we've had has been like just there's no shit
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in it and it and you can feel it like after a couple of days,
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everybody just kind of goes, wow, we've all been sleeping
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amazing. We've been drinking excessive.
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And getting no hangovers. I know that was not.
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I was going to point that out. I was like, why don't we have
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Hangover? Yeah, this I could.
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Definitely drank enough to have. Hangover Oh for sure.
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I think it's I it's got to be the food quality because every
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single one of us has had multiple times as a strip didn't
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even take that long couple days in we all go why are we feeling
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just so good? And I think it's because the
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United States food is shit. I think it's really bad.
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I think there's also a chance that they're just constantly
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chem trailing over the top of us.
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This general malaise of goon that's that's achieved in the
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United States through government control.
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I also think Bill Gates. I'm just saying I also.
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Think what we've learned too is this is we're not wrong.
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This is another reason to back up hunting even more and and
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potentially get into hunting because that's one way you can
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control your food intake a lot more than going to the store and
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buying some ground bison. That that thing probably is
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blasted with steroids and gear peptides and shit, you know?
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He's sorry. Well, he's not wrong because I
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mean, anything to to raise the the weight of the animal for
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slaughter because it's being charged for by the pound.
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They'll do like Oh yeah, here. You've seen the size of a store
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bought chicken nowadays when you see a drumstick and it's like a
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Turkey. Yeah.
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And you're like bro, that I know that not.
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Yeah, this is not good. Yeah.
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And these people are here. Just go grab a chicken that's
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running around out here. And then.
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But it's. Yeah, it's so good.
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Like the salsa has been so freaking money down.
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Here 012000 Jarred Salsa just you could buy at the store.
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I don't, I don't, I don't understand it.
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But I thought Ray said I can't. I thought he did too, yeah.
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I could have sworn I saw her porn stuff.
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I might be wrong, if I'm wrong I apologize, but all of it's been
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it's been amazing. What's your top three you think?
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Honestly it's the same. I put mule deer one over the
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Carney because because it was cool, because it was, it was,
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well, it was my Mulder and it was very more unique flavour
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because I've had lots of carnage it.
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Was great. Right, I nothing was really
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tasted like that before. And of course it's got tortillas
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with it and those tortillas are just stupid.
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And it's, it's, it has, it has to be the, the GMO crap or
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something as I, when I went on the, the, oh, the Coos deer hunt
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last year, different branch, different people that say, yeah,
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tortillas were just like, these are incredible.
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And they just put in the store. But he says they're super fresh
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down here, like because they don't preservatives, so the
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stuff goes bad. So they're probably just making
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them a a clip. Yeah, that I think that's the
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biggest part is the preservatives and also the stuff
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that the pesticides and stuff they use on crops in the States
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and pretty rough, I think. But my my top three would be,
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the more I've thought about it, I think it might be the mule
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deer because I love that Taj. It wasn't really Cajun, but it
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was like Cajun sort of that that seasoning was in.
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It was so good. And we all like spicy.
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And it was. Really thought it was really
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thin, cut thin, Yeah. So they were like, I mean like
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like a chicken popcorn. Yeah, yeah, Thinner though.
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Yeah, really thin. So I'd go that and then I'd
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probably go that pasta, probably because I don't eat pasta
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anymore with my diet, but I'd just never eat it.
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So that was awesome, as you see. Like, wow, yeah.
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And then shoot, where's Yeah, the Carney was great too.
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The tacos was fantastic. That probably my three.
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But the the biggest thing is just how you feel.
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And another thing we learned that I found really interesting
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is how shit the Coke 0 is here. That is pretty.
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Little bad. It's terrible.
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It'd be like the flattest of flat Coke Zero you ever.
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It is literally that I'm the sun.
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Yet you like it. That's cool.
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Maybe not three months, but like days.
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Totally flat tastes like absolute garbage.
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Flavor was terrible flavor. Come bring.
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Back the aspartame. I brush my teeth the first time
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I popped one, I come out and popped the popped the can, take
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a sip and I'm like, and my toothpaste was really great in
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this. There I go.
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Let me come back in like 10 minutes.
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I'm like, I can't wait for a good sip.
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Take another sip. It was just as terrible.
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I'm like, girl, if something's oh, I'm ruined, something's
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wrong. So bad, but then we had a.
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Monster, and it was US. Yeah, it tasted the same.
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Yeah. I was nervous.
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Like I popped it and I was like, yeah, yeah.
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Little sip like oh God it's normal thank God I do not want
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to nub this whole thing out. I really like a little kick
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right now. I.
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Know, I know, but we've all kind of had a challenge this trip on
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a side request that we've been working on.
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We have been trying to get a high frame rate coyote or
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peccary shot and now we've done it to where we're trying to film
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it from 2 angles. But the problem is we have yet
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to have a got Dang colored peccary come in within light we.
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Haven't had any man or. Yodi since we started trying to
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record because we sat at that time for Yodi's to see Yodi, we
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did. Crack a couple doves.
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So we just grazed the bottom up. Yeah, we did.
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I really wanted to hammer what it was quail yesterday.
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Yeah, well, that's the other problem.
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When we're sitting in two blinds, we can't all bowl like
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that. Yeah.
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I feel like I'm just. I want to shoot that quail.
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I don't know. You want to shoot that quail and
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I'm sitting in the other blind. You guys are we?
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Don't do to you. We.
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How do I know which one? I I actually.
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It's always going to be the one closest to the feeder, is the
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answer. I think today we should see if
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they'll send us with a radio, so if we have to, we can like.
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Oh, yeah. And I guess if there's nothing
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in, yeah, you're like, we could just, we could just.
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Yeah, that's actually a good bit, yeah.
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Paging Dr. Cutboy. Because we're basically the way
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we're setting up is you've got feeder in the middle and then
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we've got one blind that you traditionally hunt that's
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downwind or like sidewind. And then we're trying to set
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another one up caddy corner because we want the Super slow
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MO Cam to basically capture like.
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Enjoy the. Face or the ass of the animal so
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you can see the air going in and then coming.
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Oh, it'll be so cool. If we can make it happen.
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Yeah, it'll be so. Cool.
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We're running out of time is our last chance.
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I know. Last, we're.
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Playing tomorrow. I thought this javelina working
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hard to watch porn prolific. I'm sad about that.
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Javelina are badass freaking level.
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They're one of my favorite animals that just.
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They have so much personality and they live, especially when
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they live up in the mountains. You'd be surprised.
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Sometimes they live in Koosnier country, way up high.
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Aren't they like darker and heavier where they're dark,
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Where you are, it's here they're all like.
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Sandy, Oh, They're almost like black a lot of times.
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This is like they're like, dirty.
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They're like you're blonde hair. Like there's a blonde right
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here. Exactly.
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The locks, yeah. You know they're dirty though.
13:52
Lady Little at NASCAR Brianna Brianna.
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I had like 4 to 5 women come by and go yo that is super hot
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when. You walk by Cindy Sidney Sweeney
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and you pull the hat off and kind of give him give her a.
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US free hash. It was all.
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Fluffy, but and I had the ridiculous glasses with the
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safety strap and I had a NASCAR cut off so when I walked by I
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did do a little. You did do a little.
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Bit I Peacock a little, but all right, you know, but her mom
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right there, you know you got. To land, you're going to land at
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both. You're never going to land at
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both. Yeah, true.
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I'd. Have been around if you're.
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Alley Oh yeah, yeah. Any Congress who's toes 60 plus?
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No, but this has been this has been good.
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Brandon, do you have any more hunts left this year or just
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some local? You said you have a little bit
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of season locally. Yeah, I'll probably just sit
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whitetail at my house. So it's been nice because Josh
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was kind enough to to allow me to put some Gray light blinds up
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at my place. And so it's so much easier so I
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can just get up in the morning before everybody's awake, go sit
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in the blinds in a nice freaking insulated blind, and then turn
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the little space heater on. Watch for deer to come out.
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That's fine. I've got $1.00 that buck that I
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tried to shoot where I shot him in the neck because he matrixed
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me. He's he showed back up on
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camera. I know I want that guy.
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How long it had it been since you hit him to when you saw him
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again on camera? Two weeks.
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So you were getting worried? Yep.
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Yeah. Wow.
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I bet that was a relief. But I think that I'm on the
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fringe of his travel corridor. Like I don't think he lives near
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us. I think that he's circling,
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looking for Doze. And I think that he lives
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further away. So like I think if I can't make
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it happen in probably the next couple weeks when the Rep is
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full on off because she's dying down now I've got tons more
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dosha on back up on so. That's good.
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That's good. And then you go into Texas right
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after this, right? Yeah, From here I fly into Texas
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and do a whitetail hunt, and then I fly back to Nash, and
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then I fly back to Spokane. And then after Christmas I drive
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to Missouri, hunt a whitetail in Missouri, then Oklahoma, and
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then the ATA show back to Nashville.
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You're doing whitetail in Oklahoma and in Missouri,
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Missouri. And in Texas?
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It's good, good. I feel like you haunted a lot.
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More and a lot. Of stuff the last couple two
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years, which is cool. Way more than I ever.
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Had that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel the
16:16
same way. I've haunted so much more
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recently and it's been fun, you know, just and doing different
16:21
stuff like in in you know, you've probably haunted a whole
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bunch of new states. I'm just saying I've never
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haunted in Hawaii or Mexico or, you know, Oklahoma, wherever was
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showing up and and I think that's really cool because the
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more types of hunting you can do and the more you can experience
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whether or not it's whatever type of hunting, it's still a
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different experience. You're learning more, having a
16:42
great time. Do you have anything coming up
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in December? Because I know January is a big
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month for you to be in Arizona. Just local hunting.
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I mean, I don't know how much I'll hunt.
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It's it's what our local hunting is, is bottom barrel, it's
16:55
whatever. But I might do some hunting,
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maybe glass hit. I have either sex tag so I
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would. I would definitely shoot a no or
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a buck if I got opportunity. Do they do homeless permits yet?
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No, not yet. Yeah, surprisingly.
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Big, great revenue share, yeah. That would be So what?
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Josh had a crazy question yesterday.
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I don't know how that was not. That's probably not a good ask
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later. It was pretty wild, except the.
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Members only Patreon writing a guy just pause it would do this.
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I love. Oh I I skipped one.
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I'm I'm going back to Texas after ETA show.
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OK. So you're like through January
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and. Yeah.
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And then we all are doing that. Oh, in February?
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It should end of February that'll be like my last month
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till I think, you know, Brianna will want to do some turkeys in
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like, you know, May and then I think I'm new Hawaii maybe July
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again. But yeah, it's just fun doing
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different shit and trying different stuff and that we're
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all going to that Texas on as well.
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Yeah. So that was that was yeah.
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And then, well, I know I'm just saying we're all going, which is
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cool. And then we got Scotty and Josh,
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the other Josh, and I think that's it.
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But what a solid group, huh, guys?
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Camp. Breaking Scotty.
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I love it. He's just going to be ripped.
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I'm going to just keep my mouth shut.
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So no no, no BS question. Which obviously this goes
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without saying, we're all getting smashed.
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What Bomar doesn't drink. I don't know.
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Maybe he will. I don't know.
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Does he not? I assume he does body is the
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temple kind of thing. I've never seen him with the
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drink in his hand. I don't, I don't know.
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I literally everyone else going is the.
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Answer is yes going wrong and then he'll say I mean it's
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hosted. By Scotty I don't think Scotty
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Scotty might be the worst of all.
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Even if, even if Josh didn't drink, I never feel like you
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have to drink to like, have fun. I know no one, none of us feel
18:44
like that way. But Josh has the personality
18:46
where he'll be just as goofy and fun regardless.
18:49
Even if like everyone else's time went on, he's drinking
18:51
lemonade. Like you'll still be cool, you
18:53
know, And I can't wait. That sounds so much fun.
18:56
And then today we did a lot of shooting bows just for fun,
18:59
which is my. I love it.
19:00
We should have done that every day.
19:01
I'm like, we just did. That was so much fun.
19:04
But we traded each person, shot each other's bow.
19:07
And I thought, I always think that's fun because I think it's
19:11
possible every time you shoot something different, you might
19:14
feel something. You go, hmm, maybe I need to
19:16
implement that more into that. And do you have that because you
19:21
shoot so many different bows each year?
19:23
Do you have a transfer? Stuff.
19:25
Kind of it's honestly, I don't shoot any of them enough to get
19:29
really comfortable with them. That's the hard part.
19:31
You don't get a reps behind them.
19:33
But I also don't feel like I can give good feedback or good
19:36
information to people if I don't play with a bunch of them.
19:38
So I end up going through Rd. about, about, about.
19:41
Don't worry, I'll keep the Title 34 and keep shooting it tell
19:45
you. But but yeah, it's it's it's a
19:47
challenge. And like, I can honestly say I
19:50
don't shoot any of them long enough to pick up much.
19:52
Yeah, if I was shooting them four months straight be
19:55
different. And they're all very similar.
19:58
Like I really are like they feel different, but the result, end
20:01
result is very similar. The end feel.
20:04
On most of them are very similar and the end velocity on most of
20:08
them are similar. Like there's not that much a
20:10
difference. I mean, we make this big ordeal
20:12
and so much of the of the content is out there like
20:15
discussing and portraying the differences between these
20:17
things, but they are so damn similar that they're all good.
20:22
I. Think the level is just the bar
20:24
is very, very high, yeah. You're sure where you're sort
20:27
of. Nitpicking, you know, it's like,
20:30
it's like anything you go look at a mountain bike 20 years ago
20:33
there was a big difference between like a specialized and
20:36
Iron Horse. But nowadays as you move along,
20:38
it's like Mandy, you can't go wrong.
20:40
All these bikes are amazing. It's the same.
20:42
I think just that's life. Everything is just at such a
20:45
high level and it'd be crazy if we could Fast forward 10 years
20:48
and see like no year to year gap.
20:51
Just what is stuff in 10 years crazy.
20:54
But what about you? Do you have that because you you
20:55
bounce bows a fair amount too. Do you try to like match each
20:59
setup or is each one just like you?
21:01
Grab the bow, no bars, no nothing, Shoot it and kind of go
21:04
from like that. Rolls I I'm not fast enough to
21:06
like just fully RIP through a setup.
21:09
I'm envious of the guys at the shop because they can get
21:11
everything set up and be so close with every little thing
21:14
really fast. And I feel like I just take a
21:16
lot of time for each step. Yeah.
21:18
So like I was going to bring my title down here if I couldn't
21:21
get the arc set up, but I was able to get the arc set up, but
21:23
it took like days. And then you saw me.
21:25
I was shooting my bottom pin and I was like why is this 6 inches
21:28
high left? And I remembered I'd only dialed
21:30
in my 2 pins and I was going to just Rove with my 30 pin.
21:34
So you know, my stuff wasn't all the way dialed in.
21:37
What I noticed that was interesting in shooting your
21:38
boat is when I pick it up, I'm like the weight on this is
21:41
horrible. It's all wrong.
21:42
It doesn't feel good like when you just hold it in your hand.
21:45
But then as soon as I got to draw, I felt more steady with
21:48
the proven than I did with my bow.
21:50
And I've got mine set up like I want it.
21:52
But like when I just was holding the pin, I was like, boat, this
21:55
is great. And then your peep is so low to
21:59
your D loop compared to mine. Like just the way you anchor
22:02
face size, whatever it is, I'm having to come way up here.
22:05
I'm floating. Your D loop is super tiny.
22:08
Yeah. Muy piquito.
22:09
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And then the other thing was
22:12
crazy. When I pick your ball up, which
22:13
is the same exact one, your peep is huge.
22:15
I have light around the housing like crazy.
22:18
I literally have like as much light around the housing as
22:20
there is inside it. It's like a double doughnut
22:23
thing I got going on. Well, that's all facial
22:26
structure, right? Size of your nose, where your
22:27
eyes are positioned, how far apart your eyes are, how far
22:30
back they are in your head as opposed to forward.
22:31
Which is why I always need everybody's that I pick up.
22:35
Feels like the peeps way too small for me for how I anchor.
22:38
But I also tend to keep my head upright and barely touch my tip
22:41
of my nose, the strand. So you're afraid so.
22:44
And I think my nose is probably a little longer and my eyes are
22:47
a little farther back in relation to my nose.
22:49
Like if looking at the structure, your face, your eyes
22:51
are a little more together, a little more forward in your nose
22:53
isn't very long. I feel like you're in SO.
22:55
I'm not. And the distance, the distance
22:57
between them is really relevant too.
22:59
Like where your eyes are in relation to where your nose is
23:01
changes this angle so much. It doesn't take that much
23:04
movement positionally different. Like lift your head up to where
23:08
put a big bone marrow nose button on or versus not and
23:11
watch how much bigger you peep has to be because it's always
23:13
longer away from. That makes a big difference.
23:15
Yeah. But it's just like, I think what
23:17
you learn is also how important it is to get your setup truly
23:21
dialed in for you. Because we're noticing the
23:24
variance that like if you just looked at everything, it looks
23:26
like it's pretty close, but when you actually shoot it, it just
23:28
feels like a. Nightmare.
23:29
Way different feel on all. Of them, I literally was
23:31
shooting your bow a foot to the right, like I grouped arrows
23:34
like that, but it was a foot to the right and it's the same bow.
23:37
Yeah. It's just the way everything.
23:39
I don't. Yeah, it's goofy.
23:40
It is wild, but. Didn't have the.
23:41
Goofy grip, that's why. You don't like the UV grip?
23:44
No, it's too short. The first thing I said when I
23:47
picked up Brandon's bows, I never felt the arc and I just
23:49
felled it. I got a pretty good feel for
23:51
bows. And first thing I thought was I
23:53
don't like the grip because it's too, if it was an inch longer, I
23:58
think it would be fine. But it just like ends so
24:01
abruptly. I'm like, I feel like my hands
24:02
like hanging off this, you know, it's actually like a little tiny
24:05
pistol for your wear. Yeah.
24:07
And and I don't love it, but I like your straight to the Rise
24:10
Earth grip tape. And then I love the proving grip
24:12
because it's very thin and long so you can just get such a good
24:16
consistent hold. But I'm probably the most picky
24:19
on anything. For me is grip always.
24:22
And grip is too way overlooked by a lot of folks.
24:25
I agree with you 100%. Yeah, the grip is massively
24:28
important, which is why I pointed out when I don't like
24:30
it, because that's fine. That's fine.
24:32
I I have a concession. It's arguing.
24:33
I bought the side plates from the shop Slash I just took them
24:36
and then I got home and they refer a left-handed bow, not a
24:41
righty. And I'll sing Son of a bitch.
24:42
But you get you. Told you I can't keep a running
24:46
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Those backpacks are like 500 bucks, 20%'s a lot.
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It's a hundo baby. Yeah, it's a lot.
25:03
It's not a mathematician, but yeah, there's checks out.
25:05
Holy shit, you're a linguist? You said mathematician.
25:08
Nothing. I am a cheat bastard, you are.
25:10
I love, I love you will say all my shekels and sales.
25:13
So I love it. Oh I love it.
25:15
I hate spending them up. Dude it used to be so bad.
25:17
I would like get anxiety and start sweating if I bought like
25:20
something like 15 bucks. Really 50?
25:23
Yup, truly maybe even less. Wow, yeah, it's taking me a
25:27
long. Time.
25:27
I wish my wife was more like that.
25:29
She'd. Sweat when she'd spend 15 Yeah,
25:31
yeah, yeah, my. Poems would be like just but but
25:36
yeah, shooting the Moses that was super fun.
25:39
It's really like I think it's so interesting too that are all of
25:42
our arrow setups are so similar. It seems like people the last
25:46
maybe I don't know, maybe like from like 20/20/2023 people are
25:51
so into arrows. So it was what everything was
25:53
about online. It seemed like arrows, arrows,
25:56
arrows and people were shooting different setups, different
25:59
inserts, different outs or different heads, different
26:02
knocks, like really going and it seems like almost it's stripped
26:05
back over time to like you can just shoot the stock HLR and
26:08
it's just fine. You know, like it seems like
26:11
it's moved back sort of. What do you why do you guys
26:14
think that is where you've seen sort of emphasis on arrows?
26:18
Well, I think the, I think the reality to it is if you look at
26:23
what they've come out with in the last four or five years,
26:25
when you talk about timeline, they're all coming out with the
26:28
same thing. Well, there's a lot of a lot of
26:30
scuttlebutt over what the right thing to use is, what it should
26:32
weighs, diameter, all that stuff.
26:35
But the noise now has gotten really quiet because there may
26:38
not be a 420 grain 5mm arrow with about 15% of our center.
26:43
Everyone does it. And now all of a sudden they're
26:45
just not talking about it as much because that's the outcome
26:48
of what you would come up with. If you're starting to do the
26:50
math and starting to figure out how do I make this projectile,
26:53
check this box, this box, this box, and this box.
26:56
That's what you need. The 5mm arrow at least has some
27:00
of your thread inside the arrow, so it's going to be harder to
27:02
bend. It's as small as diameters you
27:04
can get and still have some of the thread inside of the arrow.
27:08
It's a great kind of trading product.
27:10
It's more durable typically than a smaller diameter because the
27:13
connection of an insert on a smaller diameter is more likely
27:16
to fail. It's just it's elongated as a
27:18
weak point. It's about as small as you can
27:21
get and be durable. And it's in the 8 to 8 1/2 GPI
27:24
where we try on the 300 spine arrow and we try to build that
27:27
out to end up at 400 to 4:50 depending on your config.
27:32
That's what's got away now. Everybody makes it.
27:34
Before, not everybody made it. And I think that's where the
27:39
arguments were coming from. It was the other brands that
27:42
didn't make this that we're trying to argue why you needed
27:45
that instead. Now they all make it and all of
27:48
a sudden everybody shut up. I mean mostly, but.
27:51
Also go ahead. But also, well, the Ashby study
27:55
came out and and it was released, but then there was a
27:58
resurgence driven by Ranch to to bring a 650 grain.
28:03
And then I think there was people that had had problems
28:06
because more than likely they either didn't shoot in the right
28:08
place or their stuff wasn't tuned properly and they weren't
28:11
getting pass throughs and they weren't finding deer.
28:14
And they perceived that the solution to that problem was to
28:16
go heavier and go with fixed blade broadhead.
28:19
And so that's what that's what some of the push was.
28:22
Huge, huge part of it. But I'm saying probably,
28:24
probably the biggest. I mean, that was obviously a
28:26
huge wave, but I'm saying that wave I feel like you don't hear
28:30
about. It, but I think that it's the,
28:31
it's that evolution of what, of what occurs is people shoot that
28:35
and then they start backing back down.
28:36
That's what you did exactly. Exactly.
28:38
And realizing that like, oh, you don't need that.
28:40
It's. Like that thing you just tried?
28:41
Lunch from college. Yeah, exactly.
28:44
Exactly. It was more than once.
28:46
What was the? Yeah, well, you had to do twice
28:49
just to make sure you didn't like.
28:51
I wanted to be so. Sure, I.
28:52
Had to win the second time. But what's the heaviest arrow
28:56
that you got up to and actually haunted with not just playing
28:58
around like? 615 was what I haunted, but I I
29:01
shot a axis at 1:10 with that arrow and I shot my elk at 85
29:06
with that arrow. So did you.
29:09
Like. Would you potentially go back to
29:11
a weight like that? I mean, I don't like.
29:13
It no, I just don't find it necessary now.
29:15
Yeah. Like I did like the way that the
29:17
bow felt when you're shooting it because there's like the the
29:20
feedback feel of it. I like that feeling.
29:22
But the new, like the bows, even since it's been, I don't know,
29:26
it's been probably four or five years, like the Ark is so dead
29:29
that I still just kind of, it feels kind of similar to me now.
29:32
I got you, yeah. But no, I just don't find it
29:35
necessary think that the broad head is 95% of the factor of
29:40
penetration. I think the weight is very very
29:43
low in the. List well, and that's that's
29:45
something that even the head the arrow guy agrees with.
29:48
He thinks it's 95% the broad head.
29:51
So it's funny when you when you acknowledge that and as do most
29:54
people are shooting 420 green arrows.
29:56
Most people with any logic to what they're doing are very
30:00
cognizant that the broad heads that I'm picking has the
30:02
majority to do with Patrick. If you want to penetrate, you
30:06
simply need to do a lead cup tube over anything because it
30:10
will out penetrate anything. And I don't think anybody even
30:12
argue that. If you're worried about that, if
30:14
you're worried about the big hole in something, you should
30:16
put a bee sprotted on the front of it and just cut a whacking
30:20
hole in it. And hopefully you still go
30:22
through, which as long as your equipment is tuned, is really
30:26
what matters, that that arrow is not doing this.
30:28
When it hits the animal, the arrows wobble and you don't have
30:32
the energy behind you. As soon as it hits, the ascent
30:34
is going to move and there goes all your energy.
30:36
What? So if somebody's shooting at
30:38
home and they're seeing like when you say wobble, I know
30:42
sometimes when I'll shoot, like you'll see it kind of torpedo
30:45
like that spin that's out of tune.
30:48
That's out of tune or you torque to the bow.
30:49
Really funny when you shot it or you're fletching hit something
30:52
as it left. So if you get somebody with a
30:54
abic like let's see, they're, they're pulling like an inch and
30:56
a half tear. What's the arrow doing?
31:00
Is it coming out and literally just kind of you're seeing it
31:03
like kick back and forth as it's snaking toward the target?
31:07
Like directly out of the bow. What's it?
31:08
Doing well, I'm saying like if you're taking a 20 yard shot, it
31:10
probably isn't going to have time to stabilize.
31:12
So what's that actually physically look like?
31:14
I'm just, I'm curious for people that are shooting their bows,
31:16
are they, is there something that they can actually be
31:18
looking for where they're like, oh, I'm not getting prey hair?
31:21
There's a there's a great easy way to see it.
31:24
A super simple throw a light, a knock on hair.
31:26
And then if. You'll watch that thing go like.
31:28
Woo. And then if it's not just like a
31:29
laser beam coming out correct, then you're not tuned?
31:32
Then it's not tuned. I also think if you have a
31:34
really square good target, not like a bag or something but a
31:37
solid foam target, you should be able to see after a while.
31:40
Like OK, all my heroes travels right ways.
31:43
But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's launching that
31:45
direction, because it's going back and forth.
31:47
You just know something's going on, but that's what that's what
31:49
paper tuning is for initially, right is to see what your arrow
31:52
is doing right as it leaves the bow.
31:54
So you have a better idea if your orientation of your arrow
31:56
rest or your string cable orientations or your wheel
31:59
orientations are square so that projectiles leaving the bow
32:02
square. So the energy that that prove
32:04
that bow produces can accurately transfer the energy into the
32:07
arrow and you have to have adequate spine of the arrow that
32:10
it can absorb the energy. If you're running too weak of an
32:12
arrow or way too much tip weight, things like that.
32:14
The energy that you're creating can't get into the arrow because
32:18
it can only bend so far before the energy has to get
32:20
distributed somewhere else. That's you can hear like really
32:24
loud bell. A lot of times that's what's
32:26
going on. So it's not transferring the
32:27
energy into the arrow, so it's depleting through the limbs.
32:31
So your shot and my shot, we basically the arrow passed all
32:36
the way through the animal and then our arrows were like 2 feet
32:39
to 10 feet behind the animal. But you were using a beast 2.0
32:43
yeah, 2 inch. And I was using the 2.3 and the
32:46
results were very similar. We left all the energy in the
32:49
animal like we maximize that sucker because if we, if we
32:54
would, if I would have gone any wider with the cut, which they
32:56
don't make that, but if I would have gone wider in theory, I
32:58
wouldn't have got a full pass through.
33:00
And then probably the same with you, I mean, because we've all
33:05
have. You added you had any more level
33:07
of resistance to it, you probably wouldn't have got full.
33:09
Yeah, probably, But you your arrow sailed through.
33:13
Yeah. And I'll shoot in a hybrid with
33:15
a lead cut which should penetrate better, which is the
33:18
idea of it. What's the total cut?
33:19
When those blades fold back, what do you remember?
33:22
Well they have an inch and a half and they have a 2 and I
33:23
honestly don't remember which one I grabbed.
33:26
I just grab some out of the shop and scream on my boat.
33:28
So but that's a 2 inch with a lead cut.
33:30
So it's still, you know, so there's a 2 inch cut this way
33:33
and a lead cut this way. So you're 2 separate ones.
33:35
That's kind of cool. But when you do that, you don't
33:38
get the same slap cut. So that's what you're getting on
33:41
your holes that look bigger than your plate span.
33:44
That's when it slaps. It's like it's pushing the skin
33:47
and cutting it at the same time, so it ends up with a much bigger
33:49
hole. So my mine looked exactly like
33:52
the Bride, like it wasn't an expansion of it, which is a
33:57
little concerning honestly, because it's like if you can get
34:00
a 3 or 4 inch swath and something, don't you want that?
34:03
Especially when you're going all the way through and beyond.
34:06
And if you took that same broad head and had a lead cut on it,
34:09
you'd probably get way better penetration.
34:11
But I think you're still going to get a similar cut, but I
34:13
think it's not going to be quite as big because the skin can't
34:16
stretch, right? So part of that is it's
34:18
stretching before it cuts. So that tips pushing on the skin
34:22
and then the blades deploy and then it all goes.
34:24
Yeah. Whereas if it was cutting
34:26
through it, the skin doesn't stretch out before the deploying
34:29
blades hit. Yeah, yeah, this interesting now
34:33
I mean I always felt rage were like that too.
34:36
You'd see anything shot with a rage.
34:38
It just had a massive holes entrance and exit and Beast do
34:42
that too. It's like it and they look
34:44
either one. Those are the 2 heads that when
34:46
I think of entrance and exits that look like you hit something
34:51
with a spear or an axe. It's like rage and beast is what
34:55
I've always seen in the pictures and then the mega meets 2 huge
34:59
holes but they look different. Speed did the same too.
35:01
Yeah, when I shot like I think will.
35:04
Do the same thing 2. 222 Should I haven't shot an animal?
35:07
Ever. I've seen it do that and I've
35:09
seen it not do. That well, but I've seen I've
35:11
seen like that's the thing about this this interesting.
35:14
I've seen the rages shit the bed and I've seen rages make massive
35:19
holes and stuff. And the reason that I like
35:21
shooting the beast is because I feel like the ability for the
35:24
blades to to constrict back and then re expand.
35:28
It's really smart. You just have, I think that it's
35:30
a really great balance between penetration and cut diameter
35:34
because if everything goes great, you get big cut diameter,
35:36
you get 2 big holes. But if for whatever reason I
35:39
center punch a rib on the on side and the off side, maybe I
35:42
don't get a full pass through. But maybe those blades have been
35:44
able to collapse down a little bit more to.
35:45
Just get the arrow out the other.
35:47
Side a little bit wherever. Well, maybe the T2 is not going
35:49
to do all that. Yeah, I know it is interesting.
35:52
I mean, it's fun stuff. Brianna actually did a test on
35:54
her channel where she did it with a test and a bunch of brown
35:56
ends, but on a low pounded short draw bow.
35:58
So you don't see those too often.
36:01
It was it was actually really informative even just to film
36:03
the test and learn the stuff. But I'm a bit curious, Brandon,
36:08
how you how you felt getting dissed publicly by the fairy
36:14
himself? I was, I wasn't going to say it
36:16
when you started talking about that.
36:18
I was like, oh shit, it comes to another fight.
36:20
How did you feel about getting the diss up your way?
36:22
Are you going to respond? Are you going to?
36:23
Record, I need to go, I need to go look at it again and and
36:26
decide what it was. And I I think that like so if
36:30
you are unwilling to continue to test and then take in new data
36:35
and change your mind when the results that you're getting like
36:40
clearly show that this is not superior because that's the
36:44
truth. You can shoot a heavy air, you
36:46
can shoot a ranch ferry setup, you can shoot an Ashby setup and
36:51
it can be effective, but I think it tilts the teeter totter too
36:56
much this way. I think that the more effective
36:59
hunting tool because trajectory is such a massive deal.
37:02
I agree. Like it's such a huge deal.
37:04
The difference between something at 20 and 25 yards, like when
37:09
you're whitetail hunting, if something comes in or what we're
37:11
doing here, which is very simple, but the trajectory
37:14
really matters and, and a heavy arrow, the reality is the
37:18
trajectory, the trajectory, the impact is going to be much
37:21
broader. And so I think that the bet
37:23
there's just a better balance. You just don't need it because
37:25
the other thing is you're not getting through the parts that
37:28
they say you're going to get through.
37:29
That's my other opinion. I don't think you reliably shoot
37:32
something right in the knuckle and get through it with a 650
37:36
green arrow. And so I started just thinking
37:38
about that. I was like, all right, you have
37:39
the vital V, you have the lungs, you have the guts and that's a
37:43
massive target. And if I hit any of that, the
37:47
bigger the broad head is, the better that's going to be,
37:50
especially if I hit the guts. I don't want to do that.
37:53
But if I hit it in the guts with a big ass broad head, it's going
37:56
to die faster than me hitting it small.
37:58
So I'm just going to air on hitting stuff back here and not
38:02
hitting it up here. And so when ranch wants to be
38:05
like the Boo Boo, he's, you know, like he's decided this is
38:09
the thing that I believe and and he wants and you know him, I
38:12
mean, he's willing to get out and just talk shit.
38:14
And that's part of what makes him.
38:18
But I don't think it's, I don't think it's the most, I don't
38:22
think it's the best thing. I just don't, I don't think it's
38:25
the best thing. But dude, I was there, man.
38:27
I like when you look at math and all that stuff, more momentum,
38:31
more mass to the arrow, like it's going to penetrate more.
38:35
But I don't think that ultimately that ultimately you
38:38
need a bunch of the weight to get penetration if you just swap
38:40
broad ads. That's what I decided.
38:43
That's interesting. I mean, I, I definitely agree
38:45
with the trajectory stance because if you're shooting
38:50
something that's casting just this huge arc and you're, you're
38:55
hunting stuff with overhead branches or you're in timber or
39:00
things like that, you got to watch a lot more stuff than if
39:04
you know, you're pretty much line of sight and obviously
39:07
going to be arcing at further distances.
39:09
But if you can reduce that cast, I think that gives you so many
39:13
more options when hunting. Because what happens if an elk
39:17
walks through a window for me and he's 65 yards and I'm
39:20
shooting 650 grains? Well, I might have to kneel to
39:26
to miss some ranch that's up here, which is fine.
39:29
But what happens if I'm standing behind a Bush for cover and now
39:31
when I kneel, I'm too short to shoot over it?
39:34
But if I had my 420 grains set up, I'm shooting so much flatter
39:39
that I could shoot standing and shoot under the branch.
39:42
I think that stuff, it sounds minimal, but when you need it,
39:47
it's key. Moments make or break moments.
39:50
The other thing is speed to target and this is where this is
39:53
where he this is where he's like sent me a couple of charts as
39:56
far as speed to target and I need to dig back into him.
39:58
But if like Paige. The deer that she shot where
40:03
that deer just ducks hard. If she was shooting an arrow
40:06
that was 40 feet per second slower because she wanted to be
40:09
with a 650 grain setup, she would have just the assumption
40:13
is the deer starts moving at the exact same time.
40:15
That's what you have to assume. And here's the bow and it's and
40:18
it sees or hears an arrow coming and it starts to duck.
40:21
So if the arrow is going slower and then people would say no,
40:24
no, your bow's quieter with a heavy arrow.
40:27
So maybe it doesn't duck as hard and maybe it's maybe the impact
40:30
is actually going to be the same with the slower error because
40:33
it's not reacting as much. But I don't think that's the
40:35
case. I think that like especially for
40:37
something that's cagey like whitetail, I think a faster
40:40
arrow is important because I think as they start to duck down
40:44
so fast felt like you can just fucking spy them or whatever.
40:48
Like I think that crazy. It's important.
40:51
Crazy fast. They react and and I, you know,
40:53
I've heard people say that the amount faster that your arrow
40:58
gets there is only like a tiny little fraction of time.
41:03
And I go, yeah, but why don't you go and sit there on the
41:06
computer frame by frame and see how much just one frame like
41:10
makes a difference to 1 frame? Yeah, anytime you've actually
41:13
sat there one something that can see or moving forward, you want
41:16
to see it enter frame one. The thing that's incredible
41:18
about it more than anything to me, and that's gets very
41:21
overlooked, that animal doesn't actually start to duck until
41:23
that arrow is 2/3. 2/3 almost, only about 2/3.
41:26
Yeah. So all that drop that you're
41:28
seeing, that 6 inches of drop, 8 inches of drop is, well, that
41:32
arrow is covering about 8 yards or 10 yards, Is it?
41:36
So if that arrow covers two extra yards.
41:40
That's a huge difference. That's 20% less a drop.
41:42
That's a lot. It's a lot.
41:44
It is a lot, a lot. And it's it'd be nice to do the
41:47
math on it and calculate sound and time and travel and
41:50
movements. When you actually start seeing a
41:51
movie, you can see how much they're moving per second and
41:55
micro micro that down because I mean, there's you can, you can
41:58
show up two different arrows to elaborate or get the exact
42:01
distance per second of travel. So you can compare it and say,
42:05
OK, well, here's this, here's that.
42:08
And it's probably more than a foot of animal movement
42:11
difference. It's 100% that 40.
42:14
Is the worst? Absolutely and and again I think
42:16
the best. Way to see it is cameras, you're
42:19
looking at my frame and and people can look at the number
42:21
and go oh, that's so negligible, that's nothing.
42:24
But when you see on a frame, one piddly frame and the deer moves
42:28
down like a whole nother inch, Yeah.
42:31
What if you're 5 frames late? Just five go look at the
42:35
movement 5 frames and significant you know so I and
42:40
you could hear it when you're practicing with a buddy like if
42:42
you guys happen to crack a shot at the same.
42:43
Time you hear? Yours don't hit the exact same,
42:47
and your bows are probably pretty Dang close in speed.
42:50
So now if me and Brianna shoot an arrow at the exact same time,
42:53
my arrow's getting win in that race way faster.
42:57
And theoretically what? I don't know what speed she's
42:59
shooting, but if I got my arrow heavy enough, it would be down
43:02
closer to her speed and I can hear it audibly that my arrow is
43:07
getting to the target way faster.
43:10
So I I've never got with the argument that it's a negligible
43:14
like, oh, the time doesn't make a difference.
43:16
No. Well, if it's a crazy, it's it's
43:20
ridiculously. Important.
43:21
Yeah. And it's the argument you would
43:23
make if you want to be right. Yeah, not you want the the right
43:26
answer or the right outcome, but if you just want to be right,
43:28
yeah, because I just don't saying the amount of.
43:30
Time difference doesn't matter. Is bullshit.
43:33
I think it's the most important thing Josh and I have talked.
43:35
About this, I don't even know how many times we've talked
43:37
about it. A lot.
43:38
When people mess with miss a animal with a bow or hit him
43:41
poorly, almost always it's because of animal movement.
43:46
Yep, it's not because of a bad shot.
43:48
That does happen too, obviously. But so often if a guy freaking
43:52
shoulders a deer or something and you go watch tape frame by
43:55
frame, you go actually, you know what, you pinwheel them.
43:57
He just ducked and turned right into it.
44:00
Happens all the time. Yep.
44:01
So every, every second you can cut is better in Bowser to what
44:06
we talked about earlier, getting better.
44:08
They're getting faster. So it's easier to run a 300 foot
44:10
setup that is everyone's running 300 foot setup.
44:13
It's pretty easy to do, you know?
44:14
Yeah. And if you run the.
44:16
Sicario or whatever you can run a freaking 340 setup or
44:19
something, but in which is you know, yes, you may have a short
44:22
brace and maybe if you sneeze it hits A5, it hits in the five
44:27
ring, possibly because the short brace, but if you're able to
44:30
repeat it and shoot 340 isn't that race.
44:34
I'm. Pretty impressed with how it
44:36
felt. It shoots.
44:37
I don't believe how good the draw.
44:38
Was, I'll be honest, I don't understand a drawing.
44:40
It's all gas. When I yeah, I saw it's a, it's
44:43
a, it's a great statistical anomaly.
44:45
At 30 inches for sure, that's a great way to say it.
44:47
It's a. Statistical anomaly at 30
44:49
inches, Yeah. Yeah, it is.
44:50
And obviously the short braces. I would assume the most
44:53
important factor in them getting there because what is it A5 in a
44:57
cap five and a quarter, five and a quarter, but it's. 15 feet per
45:01
second faster, so it's bananas, but the cams better Cam is a
45:05
faster Cam and then the brace height.
45:06
Obviously you're cutting an inch off the brace.
45:09
I couldn't believe I withdraw was for how fast it was.
45:11
I really could. It was good.
45:12
That's what I'm going to switch to when we go back, but
45:16
fantastic, like the proven I. Obviously you you.
45:18
Said how well the thing holds. I love the button and you have
45:20
that shit stabilizer out front. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
45:24
hey. Go get them boat disciples.com
45:28
Pick up your archery games while you're there.
45:30
Huge giveaway all month. Botech ascend package, Bushnell
45:34
binos, Bushnell range Finder, batlands bino harness and a
45:37
whole tricer set up. That is a big deal.
45:39
I wasn't joking. The other.
45:40
Day when you when you video and I was like, that's a lot.
45:42
I want it every $10 five entries.
45:45
For all of it, you know, what's it, what's their own, what's
45:48
discount can you get on Batland stuff?
45:49
For the 20%, yeah, team BD. Yeah, I'm running the Sacrifice
45:55
LS backpack. These are my favorite pants of
45:58
all time. These are the honor pants.
46:00
They have knee pads that come in and out.
46:01
I typically run them out unless I got to do some crawling.
46:04
And then the quarter zip flex hoodie, I believe, is that shirt
46:08
I was wearing. Yeah, that's a nice one for.
46:10
Sure. And then the harness I've I've
46:11
tried a couple. The X2 is the one you want,
46:14
which is not the one I brought this strip, but the X2 is the
46:17
one. Does the X2 have the?
46:19
Range Finder pocket on the side, not underneath, more like a.
46:21
Standard Marcy deal, but you also want the magnetic pouch.
46:26
I was a chief bastard and had them send me, which is so funny,
46:28
but I had I was because I'm cheap.
46:31
I had them because I had them cheap and they were sending me
46:33
free stuff. I got the one with the.
46:35
Clip and I go, this is terrible. Send me the send me the get the
46:39
magnetic bino pouch is what I'm saying.
46:41
But but yeah, I don't know. I think all that shit's in.
46:45
I, I do think since all of us started YouTube and we've done
46:49
it a while now, it's been interesting.
46:51
Just a finger on the pulse of the of what people are talking
46:54
about. It seems like people.
46:57
Debate and kind. Of bicker less about gear
47:00
nowadays than like maybe a few years ago and maybe it's just I
47:03
don't see stuff like that because we don't really I know I
47:05
wonder if you're just not paying attention or if.
47:07
They or if it is less, I'm not pretty sure.
47:08
I don't know. Josh would be the one.
47:09
I think it's less. Yeah, see, I, I think it's
47:12
drastically less. I get less arguments, I get.
47:14
Less comments I get less that are anti, that are negative,
47:17
right? Yeah.
47:18
I mean I get all kinds. Of ones that you're more.
47:19
On that's nice, that's great. I don't care.
47:22
But you're not you're not seeing you're seeing way less of the
47:24
fighting. And I think well, and what was
47:27
the fighting about originally that was usually it was a heavy.
47:30
Air light arrow, Yes. That was the best thing when
47:32
after when when I started making content.
47:34
I remember that being a big yeah, which when I started doing
47:37
my own contents part of this, we put it, which I think it's been
47:41
3 1/2 years. Yeah, but you were doing stuff
47:43
with my. Own team for a long now for
47:45
that. I could have sworn you were
47:46
doing. Reviews of like the.
47:47
Revolt like. We can go to your channel and
47:49
click oldest and it'll come up and say like, well, that's,
47:52
that's a skewed thing because. Dan actually started my channel
47:55
for me because we made a video that he was sponsored by
47:59
somebody that was another bow company and they threw a fit.
48:01
So he just let's just make you a channel, put it on your channel.
48:05
Yeah, sure, whatever. So I've had a channel longer
48:07
than actually really big content, but no the it's I went
48:10
back and looked and it's either it's like 3 1/2 years is it or 4
48:16
1/2 but I'm pretty sure it's 3 1/2 but.
48:20
Yeah, I I think the less fighting, I think it comes down
48:22
to a point we were talking about earlier.
48:23
One, the arrow stuff dying off a bit and two, just gear all
48:26
around getting better. Yeah, because what's there to
48:29
argue about when? It's like, oh, you know.
48:30
What? Like, yeah, I may be the biggest
48:33
Hoyt guy ever, but I went and shot the Matthews and the bow
48:36
tech and I was, I was very impressed by both.
48:39
So like it's sort of gone to that rather than maybe five
48:42
years ago there was more of a discrepancy and you'd shoot,
48:45
wow, that is shit, especially you went back seven years, I
48:49
think there was. All a lot more.
48:51
Or even 10. Yeah, Oh my.
48:53
God, yeah, but no for the last five for sure.
48:55
Three or five. They've.
48:56
Gotten really close together. There's like September, there's
48:59
the occasion, actually. It's wait actually.
49:01
There's the there's blindfold test was bad.
49:03
Yeah, the the occasional there's an occasional outlier anymore,
49:07
but in general they're all pretty damn close.
49:09
I think the slowest, mind you, I'm just talking flagship bows
49:12
of same specs. I think the slowest to the, if
49:15
you take the sicario out of it to the fastest there was 10 feet
49:18
total. So everybody had to take the
49:21
sicario out of it. Because the.
49:23
Sicario. Is a flux.
49:25
Well, it's also little. I have an according grade.
49:27
Yeah, hang on. I would look at the Mach 33 and
49:30
say, OK, let's compare that. Yeah, my 33 is not any faster
49:32
than anybody else's. Yeah.
49:34
So what happened? So that is interesting because
49:36
it is the new FDS scam. Yeah.
49:38
That tank one and mind you, it's.
49:40
Really tent like so the best speed tent ratings I got
49:44
exempting that was like 341 this year I remember it was the
49:47
fastest thing I got and that was like 351.
49:50
Oh OK. So it's 10 feet faster, but
49:52
every inch you shorten it is 14 feet slower, and the standard is
49:56
8, so you shorten it 2. Inches.
49:59
It's now. Slower than a comparable Audi 8
50:02
Which? Is why the?
50:04
Mach 33. FDS isn't any faster than anyone
50:07
else because that's a 2 inch shorter spectrum with a Cam.
50:10
Oh wild. Yeah, so.
50:12
It's it's. If you're 30 inches or 29 1/2
50:15
inches and you want to be extreme, it's great, you'll get
50:18
it. But don't turn around and buy a
50:20
PSE Sicario instead of 27 inches.
50:22
You're going to be very disappointed.
50:24
So is that just means the tape? Does that just mean the Cam is
50:27
super inefficient if it's dropping that much speed per
50:30
inch? Because generally, and that's
50:32
most most of the bows that we're testing anymore.
50:35
Have modules not pivoting modules.
50:37
They're actual click, click, click, click, right, just
50:39
different this piece, that piece, this piece, that piece.
50:41
What does that Matthews does that and those your main ones
50:44
should compete against a prime all interchangeable module.
50:47
Like the whole module comes in, the whole module comes out.
50:49
That's way more efficient when you have a rotating module,
50:52
which if Bowtech ever made this jump, their bows will go faster
50:55
because you can make each individual draw like more
50:57
efficient and you can design the draw force curve for
51:01
specifically the size. So a good example, the the two
51:04
bows that they're coming out with have the same Cam one it's
51:06
going to be more efficient on one than it is going to be on
51:09
the other because that Cam as you pivot the modules over in
51:12
the draw peg to make the light changes will lose efficiency
51:16
greater. They can design it for one size
51:18
and then make it move out of the IE the sicario is designed
51:22
efficiency wise for the longest drawing.
51:26
So when that cam's on that boat and it's maxed out, it's
51:28
ridiculously fast. But as you move it once again,
51:30
pivoting module not interchangeable.
51:32
Yeah, you're losing more. The average I'm seeing though is
51:36
88 or nine. I've seen some that are 7, which
51:39
is why I test them at 30 in the night for around test their 29.
51:42
Yeah. It's like, all right, how much
51:43
would you do is branch? Yeah.
51:45
And now you can just do the math.
51:46
And now you can do that. That's nice.
51:48
It's a it's. A.
51:49
It's anything that you. Would want to try to figure out
51:51
how's this both going to perform for me after I make a video.
51:55
You should be able to answer that question without having to
51:57
actually check. I think that's a cool thing to
51:58
integrate into the videos. That's really valuable for
52:01
viewers and it's kind of fun. Well, I just want, I just want
52:03
to make sure people are buying. Or getting something when
52:06
they're buying it that they know what it's going to do, not
52:09
assume what it's going to do and then get mad too much there when
52:13
it does. Because that way piss you off if
52:14
you bought a sicario. Because you're 27 and you're
52:16
like, I'm going to shoot fast because I'm only a 27 draw.
52:20
That would be that would be annoying very much.
52:24
Well, well, guys, this. We have been.
52:26
Such a fun, nice laughing bunch this trip we really have and I
52:30
love it. I really do love it.
52:33
We're about to get in the blind and try again.
52:35
I love the fact that this podcast we didn't.
52:37
Talk about the beer we shot on this trip at all.
52:39
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