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Trusting your Mediumship with Dana Willey 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello, I'm Matt and I am a psychic medium but
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it has taken me quite a while to feel comfortable
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saying that. In my podcast, I explore the up
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and down journey of getting comfortable with
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my psychic and mediumship abilities. I'll be
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talking with guests about their experiences whilst
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turning the spotlight onto myself and figuring
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out how I can embrace my gifts while living a
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normal life. So welcome to The Psychic Explorer.
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Hello everyone and welcome to this very special
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episode. For those of you listening live, you'll
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have noticed there's been a huge pause. I released
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the last episode at the end of January. And we're
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now halfway through April, at least at the time
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of recording. And it's been a funny one. I felt
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like I really needed to just stop the podcast
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because I wasn't necessarily happy with where
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it was going. It was a little bit too spontaneous.
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I didn't really know where it was heading. And
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so I've taken this lesson to just stop. And that's
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a good lesson for everyone, I think. Just to
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stop, think, and assess where we want to go.
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I came back from Asia and I felt really good
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it was a new year a new beginning and then life
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happened things happened in life and that got
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me a bit down I wasn't motivated and I thought
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who am I to tell you that life is rosy life is
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good when I was feeling the way that I was but
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now I've come back I've got a plan things are
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more organized And I'm really looking forward
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to showcasing some fantastic guests. I've already
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recorded a few episodes, so I'm not going to
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be kidding myself by trying to get them out to
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you. And this episode is a special one. Today
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I'm interviewing psychic medium, mentor, teacher,
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Dana Willie. Not only is she all of those things,
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but she's also a podcaster. So I really felt
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the pressure was on because I wanted to make
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sure it was right. Her podcast really shone a
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light to me when I was going through this journey
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when I was in quite a dark space It made me realize
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that You didn't have to be totally woo -woo to
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do all this stuff You could live a normal life
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and still be in touch with these abilities And
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when I felt like I wanted to join another circle
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I went to Dana's online circles, which I felt
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were really supportive, it was a space where
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you could make mistakes, it was a space where
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you could practice different modalities. If I'm
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coming across as a bit gushy, it's because I
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do hold Dana in such high esteem, partly because
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the words that she uses are so full of light,
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the philosophy that she talks about, it really
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touches me, but also because of the impact that
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she had on me at the beginning of my journey.
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In this conversation, Dana focuses on trust.
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Trust in spirit, trust in mediumship, and more
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to the point, trust in yourself. And I feel it's
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such an apt topic to come back to you from this
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break to discuss. You know that my previous episodes
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have focused quite heavily on self -doubt. And
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I've really hoped that Dana's... words fill you
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with confidence that you may need, the confidence
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that you might need to be reminded that you have.
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Because once you find the confidence to trust,
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you find the confidence to be yourself. And this
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was such a poignant message that came through.
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So I hope you enjoyed this interview. Listen
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to her words, and I hope they fill you with as
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much inspiration as they did me. Here's the recording,
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guys. Dana Willie is a psychic medium who took
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steps to explore her abilities in 2017. Since
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then, Dana has studied under renowned mediums
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and mentors including Eileen Davies and Megan
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Alisa, as well as attending the Arthur Finley
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College here in the UK. Together with her good
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friend and fellow medium Matthew Tao, Dana co
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-hosts the excellent podcast I'm A Medium Ask
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Me How, as well as the supernormal podcast in
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which she, Matthew and Megan, discuss how they
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feel about the paranormal and other spooky topics.
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Dana offers a unique but grounded approach in
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her readings and teaching. She has been proudly
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serving Spirit as a mentor and teacher since
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2020 and runs weekly online circles sitting in
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the power meditations as well as a supportive
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online space which allows participants to practice
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the modality of their choice. So I am really
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feeling the pressure today because not only am
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I interviewing someone I really respect and admire
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but I'm also interviewing an experienced podcaster.
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Dana, welcome to the Psychic Explorer. How are
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you? I'm so honored to be here. I got very tearful
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when you said proudly serving spirit because
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I think that's what we all do and I think that's
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what we endeavor to do. And I think I gave you
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a bio and you just spiced it up in the most lovely
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way. And I'm so honored by the words you chose.
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Like I said, that's all I ever hoped to do when
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I ever stepped forward in this. I know you mentioned
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2017, but that is when I kind of got the nudge.
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I had been pulled to work, or I had an awareness
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of spirit my whole life. It was like, oh, that's
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just kind of what it was. But in 2017, I finally
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got that... that tickle that it was like finally
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I've got to figure out if this is real or if
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there's something to this. And I never had the
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intention of being a professional or teaching
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or being a podcaster or anything like that. And
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I think at the end of the day, that's all I ask
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for is to serve the spirit world. And you do
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it so well. Regular listeners will have already
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heard your name on previous episodes. I've spoken
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about your excellent, wonderful podcast, I'm
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a Medium. It was fundamental in helping me realise
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that what I was feeling could actually be real.
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It helped me to not feel quite so alone on this
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journey. And actually something you have taught
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me, Dana, not only in your podcast, but also
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in your circles, is that you just have to trust.
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And I find that really difficult at times, especially
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coming to this from a sceptical point of view,
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particularly from grief as well. It's really
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tough to think, is this just my brain protecting
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me? Is this real? So today I am trusting that
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all will go well and that it should be all good.
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But before we delve into the topic of trust,
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I would like to start at the beginning and I
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would really be interested to know what brought
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you to this path and how did you begin exploring?
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Yeah, so I, as I said, I had like this awareness
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my whole life, you know. I always called to like
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this one memory. It was like, you know how you
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have that first memory as a kid or whatever.
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But I remember going to my great grandma's house
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and like being like, there's this one room and
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I was like, I think grandpa died in that room.
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I didn't know that. And my mom got really freaked
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out. And I had this like awareness at that point,
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like, oh, these aren't things we talk about.
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And so I just kind of suppressed it and it was
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like something we don't talk about. And then,
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At the age of 11, my dad died. And isn't it funny?
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Not funny, but this is so much how we are drawn
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to this path. And from that moment on, from the
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moment that my dad passed on, this just was what
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I do. And I just became, amongst my friends and
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family, the person that talked to her dead dad
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all the... the time and that was just normal
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and it was like that was okay like people could
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compartmentalize that and like and it was very
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normal for me that I just had this interaction
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with my dad all of the time he was omnipresent
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with everything I was getting signs I just knew
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when he was around and it was like okay fine
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it's my dad and I'm very comfortable with that
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which is quite interesting because so many of
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my students feel like they can connect for others,
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but they have a hard time connecting with their
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own loved ones, where for me, my loved ones were
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almost the ones that taught me how to do mediumship.
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And then it just progressed and it was like I
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went from being the girl that talked to her dead
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dad all of the time to I couldn't go to the grocery
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store without Aunt Edna popping in or feeling
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the awareness of somebody else's energy and it
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became a lot of psychic hits all of the time.
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It wasn't even mediumship to the point where
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it was just like I just would have awarenesses
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and I would feel other people's feelings and
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I just didn't, I lost me. I lost. who I was because
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I was so aware of my surroundings, of everything
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that was going on, of I just, I didn't want to
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leave the house anymore, and it didn't feel good
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anymore. And it actually started earlier than
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2017, but I had started going to therapy, and
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my therapist said to me, you know, you might
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be an empath, and I was like, I don't know what
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that was, and I went to Google, and I was like,
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tick, tick, tick, tick, yeah, I have all of those
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things. And I started to deep dive into like,
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how would I not be an empath? How can I start
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protecting myself? And it's funny because now
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I teach an empath class of like how to protect
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yourself and how not to go into the world and
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be this huge sponge. And through this whole journey,
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it was like me finding me and the authentic part
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of me. And in 2017 is when I finally was like,
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I got to figure out if I'm making this shit up.
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I'm sorry, I cuss, Matt. You know this about
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me. No, you're fine. Honestly, you're all good.
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I should always... And if you listen to my other
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podcasts, you would know that I really do cuss.
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I feel like the spirit world probably cusses
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too, but it's fine. Oh, honestly, it happens
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to me all the time. Whenever I swear when I'm
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doing a reading, my face -to -face mentor looks
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at me and says, Matt, cut it out. But I'm like,
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it's what I'm feeling. It's what I'm channeling.
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It's funny. I had this is so funny. And I promise
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I'll get back to my story. But I had a spirit
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led reading that I was doing the other day and
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the grandfather came forward and the first thing
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I knew I had an awareness that it was a grandfather
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straight away. And then immediately he immediately
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he said, son of a bitch. And I was like. I'm
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really going to say this, but that's how she
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knew it was her grandpa right away because that's
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all he used to slap his knee and say, son of
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a bitch. And it was funny because Eileen Davies,
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who I'd studied with, oh God, she would have
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freaked out if I would have done that, if I would
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have done that in one of her classes. But I don't
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know. It was funny. Anyway, 2017, I decided to
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go to a development circle because I needed validation
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because you had mentioned something about being
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skeptical. And I highly recommend being skeptical.
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I don't think we're skeptical enough in the spiritual
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community. I think we buy everything hook, line,
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and sinker. We go to every metaphysical shop,
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buy every crystal and every smudge stick, every
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book, every whatever. And we buy every guru,
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every whatever without really fundamentally testing
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it and evidentially looking at it. which is why
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I love mediumship so much, because there is evidence
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behind it. So I went to my first development
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circle in 2017 after doing a lot of meditation,
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a lot of deep diving, and I went, oh shit, I'm
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actually good at this. And I remember calling
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my husband on the way home from that going, there's
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actually something to this. And from then on
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out, but I always say like I did not intend on
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doing this professionally I didn't go to that
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first development circle with the intention of
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like I'm this is this is my life This is what
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I'm gonna be doing now. It was just to see if
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I was crazy or not so That's that's how I got
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here. It's strange, isn't it? Because so many
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people I talked to about this they Their catalyst
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is the same. It's grief And I find that so fascinating,
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morbidly fascinating maybe, that this opens up
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from the same place. It's part of our human condition
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and I've come to realize like who among us hasn't
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experienced some layer of trauma or loss or discomfort,
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right? And I think that it... The spirit world
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communicates through us through the language
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of feeling. I truly feel like emotion, sensation,
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feeling is the number one way that the spirit
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world is going to communicate with us. And we
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need that language of emotion or feeling to communicate
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that heart to heart, soul to soul connection.
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So to me, in so many ways, it would only make
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sense for us to be good mediums and good communicators
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for us to have that. that alphabet, that language
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for them to use. If everything was wonderful
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and we had never had anything to reference or
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use, because so many of us, I mean, Matt, you've
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become such a beautiful medium in your own practice.
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How many readings do you have where everybody
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just dies lovely as an old lady in their bed
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at the age of 92? You know, people die of overdoses,
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they die because they were really horrible people
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to the people in their life. They cheated, they
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stole, you know, people aren't, they do bad things
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when they're here. They die of unfortunate circumstances,
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and that's part of the story. And I think we
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have to sometimes live through some difficulties
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to be able to tell their story sufficiently and
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accurately. You mentioned earlier that you were
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the kid who was talking to your dad after he
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had passed, and I can only imagine the dynamics
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and situations of that in itself could have brought
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up. But I wonder, when you decided to step onto
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your path, how did your friends and family treat
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you? Did they treat you differently? Yes. So
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it's always weird coming out of the woo closet
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is what I like to call it. The people that I
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thought would really support me didn't necessarily,
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and the people that I thought would didn't. It
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was kind of this very interesting thing. I slowly
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shared this with the people. as I felt comfortable
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with it. I had a best friend who we used to go
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get readings together all the time before I started
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development and she was very much part of the
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whole development process. Obviously my husband
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knew. He was highly skeptical of everything.
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He started really our whole relationship together
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as an atheist, then kind of warmed up as an agnostic
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and came into all of this very skeptical and
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now has become like my biggest fan. So kind of
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even meeting him at his interest level where
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I had a best friend that was like, oh my God,
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Dana, tell me every reading, tell me every little
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thing to him going like, what the fuck are you
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doing? You know, my mom was very supportive,
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but everybody kind of was different. Like I had
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friends that I had not shared any of this with.
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And as I started to come out of the woodwork,
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I remember one of them calling me and going,
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what? Who? Where? Because some of this I kept
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very private to me. And so I feel like as we
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navigate this, first it's become something very
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personal and special to us. And wanting people
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to accept it and love it as much as we do is
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a tender thing. But I always encourage people
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to like meet people wherever anybody else is
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at. You know, I know you're in the UK, but like
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in America, like religion is such a big deal
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and proselytizing and you come believe and that's
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not what this is. This is for me. If you're interested,
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I'm happy to answer questions, but realizing
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like this is just part of me. And if you want
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to learn more, I'm happy to answer it for you.
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But like, you kind of have to be comfortable
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with who you are and not care what people think.
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Now, all that being said, when people, if I'm
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on an airplane and people ask me what I do, I
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don't particularly like to tell them I do this
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stuff. If I'm just meeting somebody at a cocktail
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party, this is not the icebreaker that I want
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to tell people. I was at a friend's 50th birthday
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party, like in December, and I was telling everybody
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like, oh yeah, no, I do this, I do that. And
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then somebody else knew what I did and they're
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like, oh my god, this is the girl. This is the
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medium. And I was like, oh yeah. So, and then
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everybody's starting to, yeah. A party trick.
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Mm -hmm. Then your party trick and like, can
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you do it now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so far on
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this journey, it sounds like you've had a lot
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of confidence. You came out to people around
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you to say you could do this, but did you have
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any self doubt? Tons, tons. I think that was
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the biggest thing for me. The imposter syndrome
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is probably my biggest, my biggest Achilles heel
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in my mediumship. The thing that got in the way
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of my surrender, the biggest. You know the foundations
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the fundamentals of how we connect as mediums
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very very simple The thing that will always get
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in the way of our mediumship is our humanness
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Our inability to just say the thing to be vulnerable
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and just go I'm just gonna say it or in to believe
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in ourselves To want to do it. Perfect. I was
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a and am always going to be a perfectionist and
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so if it wasn't perfect I didn't want to do it
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or all of that. So actually building up the confidence,
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believing in myself was a huge thing. Even, and
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I don't, knock on wood, like I feel like I've
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got it pretty under wraps, but I don't feel like
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I got it pretty under wraps until even two years
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ago. This journey can go on forever. We all know
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we never stopped learning either in life or on
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this path in particular. But I find it interesting
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because I was talking to my face -to -face circle
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leader last night and she'd been doing this for
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30 years and she was saying she had no self -doubt
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like from day one that she knew what was going
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on and she had a lot of confidence I said to
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her oh my god. I am so envious of you I wish
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I had that confidence or at least had had that
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confidence when I first started out ask me this
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question and I'll ask you this question, Matt.
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Ask me how much my self -confidence got in the
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way of my day -to -day life and I'll tell you
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it was the same as it got in the way of my mediumship.
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Same level. So I would ask you the same, like
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how much do you get in your own way of believing
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in yourself in your day -to -day life, right?
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So the same things that are going to inhibit
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our connection and our mediumship is the same
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themes and processes that are getting in the
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way of us. moving forward in our day -to -day
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life. You know, at Mediumship with Heart, what
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Matt and I founded that company with is that,
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yes, again, the foundations of Mediumship are
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very easy to learn. It's the personal development.
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That's 90 % of your Mediumship development is
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the personal development. And for me, it was
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the confidence. It was, that was my, like, personal
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development piece that I had to be confident
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in myself. And within that, I always said that
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mediumship allowed me to be the most authentic
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that I had ever been in my life. I was the queen
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of putting on masks for other people. What do
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you need me to be? How can I people please for
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you? You can't do that with mediumship. It either
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is or it isn't. All of those masks are stripped
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away. You're just bare. This is who I am. And
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then within that, you have to have confidence
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of, like, and I'm OK with wrinkles and with all
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of it. I'm OK with this. And that's the personal
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development. I like to think that there's a phrase
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I've coined and it's being comfortable with the
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uncomfortable. You just got to put yourself out
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there and do it. And also, look at your past,
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look at your trauma. Work through those issues.
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I said on an episode a few episodes back now
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about the bullying I experienced when I grew
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up. And it took me about five attempts to record
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that episode because every time I got to a certain
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part, my brain would just freeze up and I would
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go, oh, I don't know what to say next because
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I hadn't really dealt with the issues. And it
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wasn't until I... recorded that episode, that
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I realized that the people in my life that I
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judge, the people in my life that I avoid, that
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all stems from the bullying in my childhood.
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When that bully cast their stone into the lake
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of my childhood, the ripples from that stone
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are still radiating out now and affecting my
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adulthood. Absolutely. So I was going to ask
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you, if you think there is a link between getting
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through or past the traumas that was your catalyst
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and getting past any self -trust issues. But
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Ash, I think you might have answered that already.
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Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And it still pops
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up. But the trust part will always be there.
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You know, I want to make sure we talk on that
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because trust is such a big thing you even when
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you're talking about the bullying and things
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like that trust is such a huge part of mediumship
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and it was you know even within my imposter syndrome
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it was me trusting myself you know I always ask
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the students like do you trust the spirit world
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that they're gonna show up because they're already
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here do you trust and oh yeah yeah okay now do
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you trust yourself and that's always like the
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thing because I didn't feel worthy enough I had
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a worthiness issue so it wasn't me not trusting
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them it was me not trusting me it was not me
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believing in my own worthiness that I was good
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enough that I was okay enough that I was whatever
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I needed to be but the spirit world chose me
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or pulled me to this for a reason I speak about
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it being your special spice for whatever reason,
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like I may not be the medium for you, but Matt,
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you might be the medium for somebody, right?
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Like your voice, your story, the way my dad died
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might be the vocabulary I need to touch your
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heart to bring your loved one through. That is
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I just need to show up and and trust that. I'm
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being pulled to be here in this moment, in this
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time. And you said it being comfortable in the
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uncomfortable. It allows us to just show up and
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trust that we were pulled to show up in this
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moment and just be there. And that trust part
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is, once we allow for that trust, that's when
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everything, that's when the game changes. I really
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hope you're enjoying this conversation with Dana
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Willey. I find her words so full of light. Just
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a reminder, if you wanted to reach out to me,
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you can find me on Facebook, Instagram and threads
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at the .psychic .explorer. Let me know if you
25:29
know of anyone that you would like interviewed,
25:31
if there's anybody that inspires you. I'm always
25:33
on the lookout for people who I find interesting,
25:36
who I think you might find interesting. So you
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know where to go, like and subscribe and all
25:40
that jazz. But now let's get back to Dana with
25:45
some more practical tips on how to trust in not
25:49
only yourself, but also in spirit. So Dana, do
25:58
you have any personal rituals or practices which
26:02
help strengthen your trust with spirit? And I
26:06
find it interesting what you were saying before
26:08
the break about trusting in spirit or trusting
26:10
in self because I've got written here as a question
26:12
Trust yourself or trust in spirit. So I will
26:16
let you decide which one you want to answer on
26:18
that one. Yeah It's so funny because I used to
26:22
be the ritual queen like I used to have to burn
26:26
Palacento and like I used to like go around my
26:29
room with like a bell and like I mean it was
26:32
like a full -on orchestration before I did anything.
26:37
Full on woo woo. Full on. The woo was in the
26:40
house. I'm just kidding. Yeah, no, I don't do
26:47
anything. magical or crazy anymore. I think sitting
26:51
for spirit. I think, again, building that trust,
26:55
building that relationship. I have been just
27:00
blessed to work with some amazing mentors and
27:03
teachers, even the teachers that weren't great
27:05
that I don't put on my resume of people that
27:08
I've learned from. I've learned a lot from them
27:11
too. But who I learned the most from are my guides
27:14
and helpers and from the spirit world and we
27:17
don't do that unless we sit with them and so
27:20
sitting with sitting for spirit um i like to
27:25
do it daily i like to be a good girl and say
27:27
i do it daily sometimes i don't sorry to interrupt
27:30
you but for listeners who might not know what
27:32
that means could you explain what that is yeah
27:35
so it's called sitting in the power some say
27:40
sitting for power whatever you choose to say
27:43
but it's really sitting without any intention
27:46
for anything to happen it's opening up our power
27:49
our awareness our energy letting that blend with
27:53
spirit energy and really just being attuned in
27:57
whatever way we need to be the best instrument
28:00
we can. So that's also inviting our guides, our
28:03
helpers, our friends from the other world to
28:07
work on us. And maybe one day our clairvoyance
28:12
is getting worked on. Maybe one day we're feeling
28:15
emotional or whatever. But within that, I feel
28:20
that connection and that attunement each day
28:23
is the best thing that has helped me in that
28:26
trust, in that building of a relationship with
28:30
the spirit world. We talk about, if you haven't
28:33
ever heard of the term of being spiritualized,
28:36
of like, yeah we can say I'm giving you all of
28:39
this evidence, but this is that touching, that
28:42
feeling, that tangibility. that, you know, I'm
28:46
talking to the invisible person in the room.
28:49
But for us as mediums, this is the tangibility
28:52
factor. So sitting for me is is my ritual, if
28:58
you will, or even, you know, I sit weekly for
29:02
trance and do certain things like that that have
29:05
really enhanced that tangibility, that that thing
29:09
that allows trust that when I feel that like.
29:12
that little shift or that change in the room
29:15
that I'm like, there they are. I know that they're
29:17
here. So that's my ritual. For many, fear might
29:22
come from the thought of making a mistake or
29:26
saying the wrong thing during a reading. Then
29:28
would I be able to invite you to be vulnerable
29:31
and share with our listeners a mistake which
29:34
you have made during your practice? And how have
29:38
you learned from that mistake? Well first I love
29:43
the word no. The word no from a sitter does not
29:46
scare me and in your development first and foremost,
29:51
becoming neutral to that word is going to be
29:53
your superpower. So I always tell my students
29:57
that the word no is never going to go away. So
30:00
the more that we can just embrace that, the better.
30:05
I think what a few mistakes that we make as mediums
30:09
is walking away from the evidence because we
30:12
got it now. Instead of giving our full trust,
30:16
coming back to that trust to the spirit world
30:19
because we know without a shadow of a doubt that
30:23
we got the evidence that we did, we run away
30:25
from the piece of evidence because our sitter
30:27
said no. When everything that they're telling
30:30
us is like, no. nope this is something this is
30:33
something uh instead of revisiting that no seeing
30:37
where the evidence is leading us there's been
30:41
so many times where in my earlier readings things
30:47
like that i ran away from evidence because the
30:51
confidence because i was like well they said
30:54
no i'm gonna i want to be right i want to be
30:56
right i think the no's can can lead us in a beautiful
31:02
direction in a reading. So I don't fear nos at
31:06
all. I think the other thing that I made a mistake
31:12
with early on, and this is less in my ratings,
31:15
but more so just in my understanding of spirituality,
31:19
and it's really framed where I've moved everything
31:22
here forth, is I listen to a lot of people. and
31:28
their opinions on things and their takes on things
31:31
and you know God there's in every society and
31:34
every religion and and gosh I'm just one of many
31:39
mediums out in the world that has their opinion
31:41
on things. Take what resonates for you and leave
31:44
the rest. I took on other people's practices
31:48
and their and their beliefs of like stuck spirits
31:51
and things like that and it never resonated for
31:54
me but because somebody else told me That's what
31:57
I thought at the very beginning of my development.
32:01
And so I was doing rescue circles and and stupid
32:05
shit like that that there was no proof or evidence
32:08
for. And, you know, sometimes we don't know better
32:11
because we we don't do better because we don't
32:13
know better. But it makes me sad because somebody
32:17
felt like their loved one was stuck or got bad
32:20
information. And so I always learned when I when
32:26
that dogma was unpacked of like, no, that's not
32:29
true. They're all OK. I've never not been able
32:32
to contact somebody. What does a stuck spirit
32:35
feel like versus a not stuck spirit? Wait, they
32:38
all feel the same. So what's a stuck versus a
32:41
not stuck? Right. And so when I started to unpack
32:44
that, I was like, this is just all biases that
32:47
we bring to the table. And maybe it was part
32:51
of my evolution and maybe it was part of what
32:53
I needed to figure out on my own. But I think
32:57
unpacking why do you believe what you believe
33:01
is one of the best things that I would impart
33:03
to anybody as we embark on any spiritual practice,
33:09
right? We all come to the table with how we were
33:11
raised culturally, how we were raised religiously,
33:14
how we were whatever. And then we go to these
33:17
different places and they're like, believe this,
33:20
believe this, believe this. What does the evidence
33:22
show you? What are you moved by? And then being
33:25
flexible through the rest of your life to let
33:29
it move you or change you in whatever way that
33:33
the evidence or your experience actually does
33:35
without having it. Because we will always try
33:40
to, because we're human, try to make something
33:44
fit to fit our dogma, right? So I think that
33:48
was one of the biggest. I don't know if I answered
33:50
your question, but I think that was one of the
33:52
biggest mistakes I made early on in my development.
33:55
It's interesting because the things you are saying
33:58
are resonating with me and they are similar to
34:03
the themes that my face -to -face mentor talks
34:06
about. And you're right because I went to a circle
34:10
before the one I go to currently and it was great
34:13
because it got me on the road and it allowed
34:17
me to practice. But there were some things that
34:19
they were saying in there which didn't quite
34:21
sit right with me. They weren't horrendous at
34:23
all. It was a great experience, but they didn't
34:26
quite resonate with me. But I never stood up
34:31
and said that that didn't feel right to me. And
34:34
as we talk about trust, we compare ourselves
34:38
to people who have been doing this for much longer.
34:41
And I certainly thought, well, I can't say anything
34:43
because they obviously know more than I do. But
34:46
actually, when it comes to it, your truth is
34:48
just as valid. And ask questions, you know, ask
34:54
questions. I think that's the I just took what
34:57
somebody said is gospel because they had been,
35:01
to your point, doing it longer than I had. And
35:03
like, what makes you think that way? What was
35:06
what's been the thing that made you have that
35:10
experience or that opinion or that whatever?
35:14
Ask questions. Look at the history of practices
35:18
you know when I um I got a reading once and she's
35:23
like you need to clear your house you need and
35:25
I was like okay how do I do that she's like sage
35:27
and I was like okay that's something I have regret
35:31
about because I wish I would have researched
35:33
it and I now I know now I know better I do better
35:38
um but I have regret over using white sage and
35:42
using somebody else's practice that was not mine
35:45
to use But I think that is our responsibility
35:48
of as we know better, we do better. And as we
35:52
have curiosities about different practices of
35:55
like, where does this come from? Where does it
35:59
stem from? Is it appropriate for me to be using
36:02
that practice? because I think so many of us
36:06
just like jump in because we're scared or because
36:09
we're like somebody told us to do it and they
36:11
know better. Okay, well then I guess I'll do
36:13
it. Ask questions. And if you're not in a place
36:16
that is accepting of those questions, you're
36:19
in the wrong place. I know you said earlier on
36:22
that the best thing people can do is to sit in
36:25
a power. Let's go a bit deeper than that though.
36:28
What if someone is still struggling with the
36:33
reality of this. They're still not convinced
36:35
that actually this is real. What advice could
36:39
you give someone who might feel that there is
36:42
something going on but can't quite get past the
36:46
woo -woo -ness of it or can't get quite past
36:49
the idea that this could be real? I mean... Hold
36:54
off. What's the rush in making a decision first
36:58
off? First off, there's no pressure. I, first
37:04
off, welcome skeptics to watch me read all the
37:07
time. I think that just come and watch other
37:11
readers read. There's plenty of places that you
37:18
can watch different demonstrations. Are you moved?
37:24
Are you moved by what you're seeing? Is there
37:26
discernment? I mean, I'm a stickler for that.
37:29
I'm still a skeptic. I believe in the spirit
37:32
world, and I believe that there's connections.
37:34
I believe there's evidence. But I will watch
37:36
readers read, and I'm like, you're not connected.
37:39
Because that's my understanding of like, yeah,
37:42
you're cold reading. You're just giving Barnum
37:44
statements. And I, as a teacher, understand all
37:48
of the tricks of the trade of like, yeah, you're
37:50
full of shit. You're not actually connected.
37:51
to anything. So it's okay to be skeptical. I
37:55
think having grounded skepticism, even to what
37:59
I was saying previously about asking lots of
38:02
questions, continue to ask lots of questions.
38:05
There is no rush to conclusion on any of this.
38:09
Have an open grounded skeptical mind. You can
38:13
be spiritual and still do those things. So watch
38:17
people them, see live demonstrations. They're
38:21
on Zoom, they're on public platforms like social
38:25
media, in different spiritualist churches. You
38:28
can go see things like that. Go to development
38:32
circles. Do it for yourself. That was it for
38:37
me. So I wouldn't have necessarily believed that
38:40
I was actually doing this, doing this, until
38:42
I could read for a complete stranger that there
38:45
is no way that I knew anything about and bring
38:49
un -Googleable information. There's just no way.
38:54
So that was what I needed for me to move the
38:58
needle for me. It was actually the same for me.
39:01
I used to say I need a certificate from someone
39:04
at psychic University to say that I can do this
39:07
Yeah, and it's with enough consistency to like
39:10
I mean we can all have a lucky guess or a flash
39:13
in the pan but it's like this is happening with
39:16
enough like Rant, you know consistency with people
39:20
that there's no way like I don't know them. I've
39:23
never met them I'm pulling information like there's
39:27
there's there's no way so Looking back over the
39:32
years, what has Dana's biggest challenge been
39:36
since she began exploring? Being in too big of
39:47
a rush. I think being in too big of a rush to
39:52
get somewhere and not enjoying each and every
39:57
part of the journey. I wish that I would have
40:02
taken a little bit more time and enjoyed every
40:07
little second of it a little bit more before
40:10
rushing to the next step, before rushing to the
40:12
next step. I'm a very competitive person by nature
40:16
and I don't know, I'm just that person. And so
40:21
I wish I would have enjoyed it. a little bit
40:23
more. What I didn't realize that I wish I would
40:27
have realized at step one was that this journey
40:30
is never over. You might get put on a pedestal
40:36
every once in a while and people might look at
40:38
you like, oh, you're great. You're amazing. There's
40:42
always somebody better than you. If you get into
40:47
this comparison game, it is a loser's game. You're
40:56
gonna look at the Eileen Davies of the world,
40:59
the Gordon Smiths of the world, and you can compare
41:01
yourself to them, and you can compare yourself
41:03
to the mediums of the past, and you're gonna
41:06
kill yourself. Enjoy where you are at this moment.
41:13
The other thing that I would offer is your mediumship
41:17
is going to go, and your psychism even, is going
41:20
to go through different phases. I have had phases
41:26
where it's just on fire. Like I don't know what,
41:30
like if I took my vitamins or like I don't know
41:34
if like the moon is in the right station. I don't
41:37
know, but like something happens and I'm pulling
41:40
names like it's whatever and everything is just
41:43
going smoothly and then something shifts and
41:45
something changes. but it's meant to shift and
41:49
change and that's part of being on the journey
41:51
and it can be really frustrating because it can
41:54
be like is this thing on top tap tap it can be
41:57
really really frustrating when our mediumship
42:00
changes but remembering that our mediumship is
42:04
meant to change and if you're not changing you're
42:06
not growing so those parts of my mediumship have
42:11
been difficult but remembering that in those
42:14
moments like it's not It's not a it's gone. It's
42:20
just shifting and changing to come back in a
42:22
better way and Finally Dana what allows you to
42:28
be able to trust in your mediumship now? They're
42:36
always here I am worthy And it never had to cut
42:42
it okay Have you ever noticed there are some
42:48
shitty people that do this work? It never had
42:50
to do with me doing being worthy there are some
42:53
shitty people that do this work and The spirit
42:56
world will use any telephone that they have even
42:59
if it's a crap like 1994 Nokia like they're gonna
43:06
use what they have to speak through you so all
43:10
you have to do is show up all you have to do
43:13
is show up and and just be the best voice for
43:21
the spirit world as you can possibly be. The
43:24
spirit world does not expect you to be perfect.
43:27
The spirit world understands your humanness.
43:30
They love that about you. And I truly believe
43:34
that our journey as human or as mediums is to
43:39
heal along this journey in our development, to
43:43
heal so often right alongside our sitters and
43:47
who we are reading for. And it is just this ripple
43:53
effect of, I talked about this not too long ago
43:58
in Sippin' Sunday where we all sit in the, I
44:02
hold this space every Sunday where we all sit
44:04
in the power together. And I talked about the
44:08
ripple effect. of just a simple smile. You know,
44:12
we think mediumship has to be a reading that
44:15
we give, but we forget that the simple smile
44:19
that we share with somebody or just saying hello
44:21
to somebody. Why is that not sharing a gift from
44:25
the other side? That true love that that for
44:29
me, the spirit world is love. It is truth. And
44:35
when we as the medium out in the world, just
44:39
share that love, that truth. We're doing mediumship,
44:44
baby. It ain't that complicated. So I don't know
44:47
if that answered your question either, but I
44:49
just started talking from love. And this is why
44:53
I love going to your circles because there's
44:55
so much lightness to it. There's so much philosophy
44:58
and it always touches me. Your words always mean
45:01
something to me. And if anybody else is listening
45:04
to this or coming to this from a similar point
45:07
of view. I know your words would have touched
45:09
them as well. So I just want to thank you, Dana.
45:11
This has been absolutely wonderful. Thank you.
45:13
Thank you so much. Where can people find you?
45:19
I am at DanaWillyWoo on all social media. So
45:24
yeah, you can find me there. And then mediumshipwithheart
45:29
.com is where you can find circles. So we have
45:34
a free space every Sunday. And then we have development
45:37
circles throughout the week. We have classes
45:39
that pop up every once in a while. Private sessions
45:43
are at DanaWillie .com. And what else? Oh, podcasts.
45:48
I'm a medium Ask Me How. Hopefully someday we'll
45:52
record more of those, a TBD. And then Super Normal
45:55
Podcasts, as you mentioned. That one is just
45:58
on all spiritual topics. Again, trying to get
46:01
my co -hosts to tape is like a whole thing, so.
46:06
It's like herding cats. Well, luckily, it's just
46:10
me on this podcast. So I only have to worry about
46:12
myself. There you go. And I would thoroughly
46:15
recommend them, especially on the medium. It
46:18
was so helpful to me. I remember I was scrolling
46:20
through Spotify, trying to find a spiritual podcast
46:24
or a psychic podcast that spoke to me. And suddenly
46:27
I found yours and you were talking about ethics.
46:31
And that was such an eye -opener to me because
46:34
I had never thought that psychics or mediums
46:37
would talk about that. And you're talking about
46:40
the fact that if you do a reading and it doesn't
46:42
go very well, then you refer, you read book or
46:45
you refund. And so from that episode, I went
46:49
all the way back to the beginning and listened
46:51
to them all. So your honesty comes through as
46:54
it has done today. And once again, Dana, I just
46:57
want to thank you so much for being on the Psychic
46:59
Explorer. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks
47:02
for having me, Matt. I adore you. And there you
47:20
have it folks, Dana Willey. Thank you so much
47:23
for listening to that. I really hope you found
47:25
that as enlightening as I did. You know that
47:29
my previous episodes have focused a lot on my
47:32
self -trust and my self -belief. And actually
47:35
I've come to a stage now where... I'm good, I
47:38
think I'm happy with myself. As happy as anyone
47:41
can be, that is. But actually I've got a lot
47:44
more confidence that I believe in what I say
47:47
I can do because of the feedback and revelation
47:50
I have had from the people around me. We might
47:53
have dips, we might have off days, we might have
47:56
readings which things don't go very well, but
47:59
we just rebook, refer or refund. Something that
48:05
Dana once reminded me when I reached out to her
48:08
with a bit of a crisis of confidence. We're all
48:13
human and we're all allowed to have off days.
48:16
So I hope you found that as enjoyable as I did.
48:21
If you felt there wasn't a lot of banter there,
48:22
that's probably because I was making sure I was
48:24
on my best behavior and just trying to get things
48:27
right. But yeah, that was my first interview
48:30
of the new format. Hop on over to Instagram,
48:35
Thres, Facebook. You will see the new branding.
48:39
I don't like to call it that because that makes
48:41
it feel like it's more than it is, but I'm for
48:44
lack of a better word, new branding, new logo.
48:47
I'm trying to be a bit more interactive or a
48:50
bit more consistent on Instagram as well. So.
48:54
Follow me reach out to me as I said before by
48:57
me letting you know that you're not alone. Let
49:00
me know that I am not alone. I Really look forward
49:05
to hearing from you if you again if you have
49:09
anyone that you would like me to speak with Anyone
49:12
that you find inspirational anyone that's really
49:15
helped you reach out to me If you have any questions
49:20
or if you would like to talk about your experience,
49:23
I would love to hear from you. Don't feel like,
49:26
you know, you're not big enough on social media,
49:29
you're not this, you're not that. I'm not. Really,
49:33
I'm not. And what a great platform for each of
49:37
us to help each other out. So consider this a
49:41
warm invitation to anyone who would like to discuss
49:45
their journey. their discovery, the catalyst.
49:51
I'd love to hear from you. You know where I am.
49:54
The .psych .explorer. Next time it's going to
49:58
be a solo episode, so just me. And then after
50:01
that we're going to have the lovely Charlotte
50:04
Leitch and she is going to be talking about crystals.
50:07
Something I know very little about, although
50:10
after speaking with her now I've got a bit more
50:12
of an idea. I'm not sure I'm going to be putting
50:15
my crystals outside. to charge in the moonlight
50:17
but I don't know I never thought I'd be talking
50:19
to dead people and here we are so so look forward
50:23
to that because it's a good one I don't know
50:26
what it's like where you are but here in my little
50:28
corner of the UK spring has arrived in fact you'd
50:32
be mistaken to think it wasn't summer it's beautiful
50:35
the birds are singing the sun is shining the
50:41
leaves are coming out all the flowers are in
50:43
bloom so enjoy get out there put your feet in
50:47
nature soak it up and until next time take care
50:52
guys bye