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John Wayne Gacy, Part Two: A Little Window Into What's Wrong With America · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  He's with August Falche, the Hocus Pocus Lack of Focus, the
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  very uneducational podcast that brings you on a neuro divergent
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  journey through topics such as witchcraft, true crime,
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  paranormal activity, and a plethora of shy talk.
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  Today is Part 2 of our deep dive under the crawl space of John
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  Wayne Gacy's house. I'm just the And the best part
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  of having multiple conclusions is that I've forgotten
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  everything from last week's episode.
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  I'm joined by our brand new host who, unlike the 33 victims of
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  John Wayne Gacy, he had a choice to leave.
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  Why is he putting up with this? Who knows?
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  It's ocean burn. I'm just here to learn where to
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  put the bodies. And as always, let me introduce
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  our Hostess with the most chest. She has a lot in common with
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  John Wayne Gacy. She wears makeup.
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  She wishes she could fucking kill every man she sees.
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  And once you've been in our pocket, you'll be licking your
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  fingers for days. It's Danny Thomas.
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  Good God. I definitely forgot I wrote that
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  line. Oh my.
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  God. I don't even know what to say to
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  that. I mean, it's true, but.
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  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I struggled. I don't, I don't know, my good
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  John Wayne Gacy and stuff for last week's intro.
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  So this week I was just like hmm.
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  It wasn't very good intro last. Week look at the chicken.
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  Yeah, because like we're getting into like the, we're getting
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  into the really joyful stuff this week, the stuff that you
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  have been looking forward to the most.
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  I'm I'm tuning out. I'm going to come with everyone
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  again, yeah. It's.
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  Mad. Oh yeah, yeah, that's really
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  weird. That many, huh?
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  I did feel bad though. I was like, I was editing it
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  last night. I was up to like fucking 1:00 AM
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  and then I was like, everything was just a big decomposition and
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  rot and anal cavities and I was just like, how can I make this
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  as nice as possible for just. See, the misconception here is
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  that like I'm I'm squeamish or that I don't like the idea of.
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  Murder Little Flower? Yeah.
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  But like, I don't care. Like to be honest with you, I
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  like, I don't care if everybody in the world got murdered except
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  for me and my dog and my cat and my half Polish girlfriend, of
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  course. Like, but The thing is, it's
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  just it's so when we get into this, because we never do well,
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  like let's do an episode about a guy who killed a guy.
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  It's never that. It's always, it's always going
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  to be like. I think we we've done it maybe
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  twice. Yeah, like there's been a couple
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  like, but like, yeah, everything else is just let's talk about
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  this guy who killed 1,000,000 people.
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  And it's always just like constant and like it's once,
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  once you've heard about like and his 20th victim, this guy, he
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  fucking pulled his guts out of his asshole and tied it around
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  his neck and decorated his Christmas tree with him.
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  Like it's just to a point where I'm like, I'm now desensitized.
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  So justy we should do an episode on the Khmer Rouge?
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  Khmer Rouge. Oh, it's bad.
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  Oh, shame. It's in there.
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  It's, it's like Cambodia. And it's just like, you know,
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  genocide. Oh.
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  OK, Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So who's who's the Cambodian
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  genocide guy? I can't remember all the time.
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  Sorry, I did put you on the spot there.
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  I was. I was there a couple of years
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  ago, like I was there back in like 2019.
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  Yeah, Ocean's world travels of desperately horrific places to
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  be. Yeah, you.
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  Tend to go to the worst places like Chernobyl.
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  Chernobyl, too, works. I go to the best places in the
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  world, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I'm playing around the world with Ocean Burn.
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  Yeah, I should be depressed. There are interesting places
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  with good history. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  With my wife and. Then your wife is like.
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  That's me. Oh tugger.
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  No, no, I'm, I'm. I'm definitely the one that
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  comes across like and I'm there too.
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  Well, it's, it's all funny. Like, oh, we got to these
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  interesting places, but like what?
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  Like have you ever gone to a historically happy place?
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  And The funny thing about that is I cannot for the life of me
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  think of 1 historically happy place right now.
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  Like I've been to like New York, New Mexico, I've been to New
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  Mexico. That's pretty.
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  Cool. I bet you when you were in New
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  Mexico you were like where? Where did the cartels?
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  Hawaii was nice. Hawaii.
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  Oh yeah, Hawaii, what a lovely place where all the people have
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  been pushed out and densified by the fucking Howie's.
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  The best the the best place. The best part about Hawaii,
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  right? Like there is a place you can go
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  to where you can see the the spot that Captain Cook was
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  murdered at. That's.
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  Cool. See that's.
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  Also not very happy, but this is.
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  What I'm saying? And he was killed by accident.
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  But. Do you get me here when I say
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  that? Like I would go to Hawaii and be
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  like, oh, I want to get a fucking.
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  I want to get a like you. Want to go to like a luau or
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  something? Yeah, I want to go and fucking
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  like, drink some fucking icky, tacky fucking stuff and go and
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  see where Jurassic Park was made and kind of hang out.
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  We did that and the last set and you're like, hmm, the most
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  interesting thing was where Captain Koch was fucking killed.
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  With a spear, someone. Threw a spear.
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  It's really interesting though. I, I, I would like, well, I'm a
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  freak, but I, I would like that. I wouldn't care.
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  Captain Cook story at some stage.
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  Hawaii as a nation apologized for it because they were just
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  like, oh look, the guy through the spirit, like didn't mean to
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  kill him. He didn't speak, but we just
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  get. Excited.
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  Got guys, got an arm like a rocket.
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  Yeah, it was it was it was the thing where he was coming to
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  like negotiate. He he was under the bat the
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  banner of peace at that stage. And like some guy just fucking
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  yeah, sure. He.
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  Was. Let's tell celebrate.
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  Look how far I can drill this fear.
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  No, but like, he was he, he in fairness, the, the, the guys
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  coming in on the board did like murder people, right?
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  That's oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But yeah. But like he was come, he was
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  coming in to be like, look, we're not, we're not all that
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  bad here, guys. We want to have a chat.
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  Somebody just fucking. Sure, my my men are bad and my
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  men have killed a bunch of but I won't.
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  I'm good old if you talk. If you talk to me, we'll stop
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  killing you. Pretty.
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  Much that was the. I'll get you 30% off your next
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  holiday. This is this is literally the
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  same tactic that Trump is using right now with Greenland, OH.
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  Yeah. It's like, look, you know, if
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  you give me what I want, I'll stop being a cunt to all of you.
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  Did you? Did you?
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  Hear that? Started off by being a cunt.
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  He texted the Danish Prime Minister to say.
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  That is why. Now that I didn't, yeah, he
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  texts him. And by the way, it starts off
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  with deer. He gives him the deer.
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  He's like, since your country didn't give me the Peace Prize,
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  you're going to see the opposite.
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  Now it's like Jesus Christ I. I really do wonder like, what
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  point the like they will never reach a point where they're just
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  going to be like, OK, look, he's lost his fucking mind. 25th
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  Amendment. Get him out here.
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  They'll just be like, no, no, he's fine.
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  Like up until the day he is launching nuclear weapons the
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  the people around him are just gonna be like, this is fine,
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  he's good. He's strong.
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  Look how strong he is. He can bench press a car.
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  Yeah. Fucking insane.
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  So my brother, I think I mentioned this last week is is
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  very MAGA now. What the fuck, he's Irish.
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  He's probably going to get targeted by ice at some stage.
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  This is exactly right. So he, he's, he called me not
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  last weekend, the weekend before.
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  I know my family are very much that small town Irish family
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  where if you get out of that small town, you think you're
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  better than everyone. So he's in New York, I'm albeit
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  in Cardiff, but it's still if that's the Irish mentality.
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  It's the New York of Wales. Exactly.
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  So it's the we think we're better than everyone else.
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  So my brother's kind of like, well, no one else talks to me.
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  So he called me for the first time in weeks, right?
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  And it was the most depressing phone call that I have ever had
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  in my life just to see how MAGA and how fucking crazy he is
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  right now, right? He.
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  Was hot. Oh, it's, it's insane, right?
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  And then he was, he was basically talking about Trump
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  and stuff. And he's like, I don't give a
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  fuck. I love him.
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  There's been all these like fucking like war criminals for
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  so long and people have been afraid to go after them.
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  But then Trump was like, I don't give a fuck.
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  I'll go, I'll go into their fucking houses and get them.
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  And he's like, and he's a billionaire.
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  He's basically Batman and I, I. God.
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  I sat there right and I was like, literally I had, I had my
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  brother on speaker and like he was fucking lucky I was already
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  tanked drunk because I was just like, you can't.
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  He's one of those people that you can't.
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  He's basically typical maggot. Like you can't argue with him
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  because it'll be another fucking crazy accusation after crazy
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  accusation after crazy accusation.
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  And then he brought up that that poor woman that got shot, like
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  for the life of me can't remember her name by that ICE
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  agent. He brought her up.
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  Yeah. Andrea good.
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  It was good. Was her surname.
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  Yeah, I can't remember, but then he was going off a bit like, oh,
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  she she shouldn't have fucking like tried to ram the car in and
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  was it but she she didn't try to ram the car out of yeah.
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  He was like, there's a new video that just came out today.
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  Like look at the new video, look at the angle of the video and.
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  I was like. Fucking it's probably AI didn't
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  I was like right whenever. It's his.
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  He was. He had his he.
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  Was recording from his phone while he had his gun in his
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  other hand and he shot her side of the head as she drove away.
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  Now like I'm, I'm not going to be this guy.
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  I, I do like to think that I have like critical thinking.
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  So I like my my biggest problem with like even American
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  politics. But like it's played into the
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  world now where things are sort of Isabella again, this isn't a
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  really hot pick. This is like anyone with half a
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  brain kind of knows this already that the problem we have in the
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  world is that liberals became so fucking self-righteous with
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  their with with what they were doing that there was so much
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  pushback on the other side that the fucking conservatives dogged
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  their heels in. And now you've got a golf in the
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  middle where like anybody who is and I'm not saying I'm centrist
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  like I'm I'm a liberal person like I'm very much so left wing.
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  But the problem with what has happened is the gulf has
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  separated so much that you've got people on one side that are
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  like, not only should we fucking allow our children to take
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  fucking beta blockers and whatever, like, but we should
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  make all of our children fucking like these people are fucking
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  limited. And then the other side are
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  like, we should shoot any drag queen who tries to tell a story
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  for our kids. And it's like, yeah, somewhere
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  there has to be a fucking middle ground here where we can think,
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  where our logical brain in America, there's nothing like
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  that. It's like because you've it's,
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  it's, it's not like politics shouldn't be like a sports team
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  where you just keep supporting them when they're losing.
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  Like if you're, if you're over there and fucking, you're
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  looking and you're like, oh, this Epstein file stuff is kind
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  of fishy. You shouldn't then be trying to
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  brush that under the carpet because Trump is your guy and
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  he's he's the guy on your team, which and the same on the other
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  side with fucking with Hillary Clinton where you were like we
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  why do we want like the death nail of American politics was
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  when the Democrats decided that they weren't going to let Bernie
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  Sanders run like that. When they push back on Bernie
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  Sanders, I do believe he could have saved the world.
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  It's crazy. I'm saying that, but I do
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  believe because like he was someone who was left-leaning.
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  What not left lean. He was left.
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  He's left wing, but he had he had a fucking brain that he
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  didn't want. He didn't just pander to what he
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  thought was devoting populist at the time, which they yeah, they
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  went so fucking left. They almost went right when they
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  when they were getting Kamala in or even with fucking, umm,
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  Hillary that thing. But like Bernie Sanders.
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  The problem with that was they're like, we can't let a
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  fucking Marxist in here, someone who's going to fucking turn
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  America communist. And which wasn't what was going
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  to happen, but like it was they saw someone who who was probably
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  going to tax the fucking rich and and not collect
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  corporations, not put him in the pocket.
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  And now what we've got from that is the Democrats had nobody that
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  you wanted to fucking vote for. So swingers jumped on board with
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  this populist fucking guy who was Donald Trump.
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  And it's fucking crazy to say that that guy is now standing at
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  a podium looking at his, he's looking at his phone while
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  there's a bunch of reporters in the room and he's kind of gone.
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  And just give me a minute here. I'm looking at all the countries
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  who I've saved from war this year.
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  What the fuck are you talking about?
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  It's so. Yeah, but it's like, and I said
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  this to my brother as well, like so like he's a comedian.
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  So I'm like, Oh no, comedians are fucking left-leaning.
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  Like so I was basically just like, you're about like fucking
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  2 shades of skin tone away from ice knocking on your door.
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  Like you, you weren't fucking born there.
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  You moved there 20 years ago. Like yeah, you're like your
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  fucking kids are American, whatever.
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  Like you've done all that, but like if you were brown, like.
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  If he was, if he was. Brown under the exact same
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  circumstance. He would be under the
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  floorboards fucking hiding. Yeah.
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  Exactly, I saw I saw a good post the other day that was like
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  there are people hiding in attics right now writing in
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  their Diaries. Yeah.
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  And that's that. That's true and.
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  It's like, frankly, I'm sick of you.
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  Did you see that video of that like DoorDash driver and she
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  basically like was delivering food, ice tailed her down.
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  She just ran into this customer's house and they
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  obviously took her in and the, the woman who was filming it,
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  she was like, basically she was, she called the cops and she was
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  like, can they do this and can they enter the, the home or
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  whatever? And they were like, no, like
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  they can't without like fucking a warrant sign, but a judge like
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  you're perfectly safe. And she was just freaking out.
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  She's like, well, that woman just got shot.
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  They have guns. Like what?
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  It's fucking terrifying. It's ridiculous.
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  Let's move on to something lighter.
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  Onto a lighter nose, John Wayne Gacy.
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  Let's scrap. The John Wayne thing, I just do
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  this. Let's go back and let's do
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  Epstein. Epstein episode 2.
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  Episode 2. I was having a lot more fun egg
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  going on a rant there. That I loved that because I was
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  just able to sit and drink and let you talk.
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  It was the best. And also coming from a place
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  where I have 0 knowledge like I'm just it's so surface like
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  it's. I have suggested that we do an
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  episode just entitled What's Wrong with America?
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  And I swear to God. We, I think we.
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  Should fucking hours on it. Yeah, let's let's get back into
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  John Wayne Gacy, which is, which is like a.
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  Sorry, what's wrong with America?
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  It's a little window into what's wrong with America.
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  Yeah, and so when we left off last week, if we had have done
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  the whole thing last week, it would have been a fucking 5 hour
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  episode and nobody wants that. We could have done that as a 2
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  hour episode, but because we go off on tangents, we yeah, we
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  cannot say. And that's why they love us so.
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  No engagement, by the way, if. You're listening to this.
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  If you're listening to this, not Claire, Claire's going to listen
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  anyways. But if you're listening to this
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  and your name isn't Claire, will you just pull comments on an
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  Instagram post or down on Spotify just so we know that
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  there's anybody listening because like.
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  Subscribe and comment. Guys.
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  We can see. So that's the thing.
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  We can see that from Buzz Sprout.
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  We can't we can't see that from Spotify.
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  There is listeners. They just don't like to make
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  themselves known and I wouldn't either.
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  So I get it. But basically.
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  So last week we we left off. I think there's a lot of them,
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  but they don't say anything. We left off talking about.
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  I mean, if that's that's how we get our social in every week,
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  then so be it. But anyway, we have some.
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  Last week he had done his whole, he'd done prison once already.
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  He was on to wife #2 who he divorced because he was like,
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  yeah, I'm actually gay. He was.
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  He had his own construction company.
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  He was living in his own house with his mother.
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  There is no other mention of the mother in my notes.
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  So I think at this point she has passed.
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  So it's just John living in his house in Chicago, owning his own
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  construction company. All of his neighbors love him.
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  They think he's such a lovely, nice guy.
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  But he was tricking boys, young men that worked for him, into
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  these quote, quote, magic tricks where he would basically be
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  like, do you want to know how to get out of these handcuffs?
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  And they would be like, yeah, sure.
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  Turns out that the only trick was to actually have the key to
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  the handcuffs, and then he would do a rape of these boys who
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  couldn't do a rape. Is such an odd way to say.
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  That. Weird way of phrasing.
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  It I don't care I'm I'm trying to I'm already traumatized from
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  last thing. Just let me go right?
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  Sorry. Sorry, I did a rape.
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  He did a rape of these boys with the handcuff trick, right?
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  So finally John would show his victims the finale.
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  This was another trick that he had he This was called the rope
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  trick and the rope trick was essentially John tying a rope
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  around their neck and then strangling them to death which
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  who volunteers for that trick to be done on them, but.
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  He was a stranger. Like, you know, you have these
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  guys who's like, picking up all the streets that he's just given
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  a job. He's only known for, like, a
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  couple of days. And he's like, hey, I'll show
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  this rope trick, but first I have to put it around your
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  throat. Like, yeah.
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  How? Well, I suppose he was like
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  drugging them and they were drunk, so like, their
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  inhibitions were like way down. But like, surely it's just like,
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  no fucking way. Like you're this big weird
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  looking dude and you're very excited about tying a rope
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  around my neck. Yeah.
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  I wonder what what level of naivety is is happening here.
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  Like is it just that like, yeah, those were the days when you you
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  didn't hear of a lot of like stranger danger?
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  Or is it just that like kids will be like, oh, I'll do
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  anything for a beer? Like I I just, I don't get what
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  like because I think it. Was a combination of like, you
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  know, being drugged, being drunk.
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  And then, like, we did, like, at the time, there wasn't any like,
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  you know, famous serial killers, like all the.
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  Yeah, famous. Serial killers heard.
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  Were active at this time, so the myth and the lore around them
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  hadn't been established. Like would you like to come to
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  my house and drink beer and porn?
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  And you're just like, hell yeah. Drink beer and porn.
• 19:50
  My mom was saying, like around this time, she used to always
• 19:52
  tell me like she they'd like hitchhiked to dances and stuff
• 19:56
  all the time and like you wouldn't have any care in the
• 19:58
  world. No one locked their doors,
• 20:00
  nothing like that. And.
• 20:02
  When I was growing, yeah, I guess.
• 20:03
  The trust back then? That was, we didn't lock our
• 20:05
  back doors like this community that we have.
• 20:07
  Like you just walk into the back.
• 20:10
  Like you wouldn't even knock sometimes you walk into the back
• 20:12
  door like people were just going into each other's houses.
• 20:14
  Like we all knew each other and stuff like but like, yeah, go in
• 20:17
  and you like fucking make yourself a sandwich in someone's
• 20:19
  house. Like it was just kind of.
• 20:20
  Yeah, like if you lived in like a housing estate and you knew
• 20:22
  everybody, it was just the community.
• 20:25
  But that's, yeah, that's what I find fascinating about like it's
• 20:29
  obviously now you, you tell your kids like, like don't talk to
• 20:35
  strangers, fucking lock the door, don't get into a fucking
• 20:38
  car like always. Like that's like you give your
• 20:41
  kids phones early because you're worried about them and you're
• 20:44
  like, make sure you have a contact.
• 20:46
  For me. I like, but when I was growing
• 20:49
  up, I like, I don't know, like maybe it's like obviously
• 20:52
  Ireland back in the 80s and 90s, like, you know.
• 20:57
  There was no bad people in Ireland in the 80s and 90s.
• 21:00
  Outside churches. This is that's.
• 21:03
  True, like we were like, get in there now, like being an altar
• 21:07
  boy. That's that'll be good for your
• 21:08
  soul, bad for your whole good for your soul.
• 21:10
  That's that's what I was saying of the way the way.
• 21:14
  I don't like this priest. You're being rude like.
• 21:17
  Going now, now make sure it's sloppy, but like that's the the
• 21:25
  like that's like I was an altar boy.
• 21:28
  Same. I must have been an ugly one,
• 21:30
  but like I was an altar boy. And like you hear about all
• 21:33
  this, all this shit afterwards, like of what people went through
• 21:37
  in the 70s and 80s in Ireland. And it's no wonder you're like
• 21:40
  don't trust anybody in America at the time.
• 21:45
  I would have taught that like, you know, like in maybe maybe
• 21:49
  it's it's like Chicago isn't a small town either.
• 21:53
  It's like these people have obviously been to movie theaters
• 21:55
  where they've seen movies where people are like, you know, a
• 21:58
  taxi driver would have been out. OK.
• 22:00
  Like, you know, like these kind of films that are like, high
• 22:03
  violence and stuff like that. Like the guys, they're not naive
• 22:06
  in the way that, like, they are going to go to this house to
• 22:09
  drink. Like, what they want to do is
• 22:11
  drink beer, smoke and weed and watch porno.
• 22:15
  And this guy is facilitating that.
• 22:17
  But are they like, yeah. Hmm.
• 22:19
  The risk of danger seems to be not so.
• 22:22
  Not so much as horny. I am or.
• 22:24
  Yeah. It's just weird.
• 22:27
  Which is always worth the risk in my opinion.
• 22:31
  Right, but OK. So he would have this rope
• 22:33
  around their neck. No trick.
• 22:34
  He would just marry them. So John was performing this
• 22:38
  trick on different victims. He seemed to get progressively
• 22:42
  increasingly aggressive. Some of them he would just
• 22:44
  strangle with the rope, which is still awful, Not trying to say
• 22:48
  that it's not, but some of the victims he would actually shove
• 22:50
  underwear into their throat, which would lead them to dying
• 22:54
  from asphyxiation before the rope trick came into place.
• 22:57
  So yeah, it was. It's kind of a lot.
• 22:58
  I think there was also somewhere I seen this where he learned
• 23:02
  when he talked about what afterwards that he learned when
• 23:06
  you murder somebody daily. Yes, I will get to that.
• 23:12
  But this was the underwear and stuff like that where he was
• 23:15
  stuffing into them like. Yeah, yeah, he had a thing for
• 23:18
  for the underwear. So it went from John just
• 23:22
  sexually abusing and raping boys to no full blown murder.
• 23:27
  When John's victims were finally dead, he would often hide the
• 23:30
  body under his bed for like a full day.
• 23:33
  And then he was like, OK, I should probably fucking move
• 23:36
  them. So then he decided it would be
• 23:38
  best to move them under the crawl space under his house.
• 23:41
  Now I talk about this on every episode of this fucking podcast.
• 23:46
  Americans have crawl spaces. Why the fuck would you have a
• 23:51
  crawl space and just stop having crawl spaces?
• 23:54
  Well, technically I hate it. It's because their houses are
• 23:57
  made of timber and. If they're built of fucking,
• 24:00
  yeah, they're doll houses. If you left them on the ground.
• 24:02
  I. Hate it?
• 24:03
  Yeah, they've got their solution to like damp.
• 24:07
  Raising damp is to keep the actual timber frame of the house
• 24:14
  off. Like lift it off.
• 24:15
  Yeah, to keep it off the ground, whereas there's so.
• 24:18
  Many cases of frogging and it's just like I Joe and it happens
• 24:22
  so often I just I can't you're. Going to have to explain
• 24:24
  frogging to ocean I think. Yeah, what the fuck?
• 24:28
  Yeah, this is what I say. Frogging, I know I I talked just
• 24:32
  you this is. Going to be weird done anything?
• 24:35
  No, it's, it's actually, it's really, really common in America
• 24:38
  and I'm obsessed with it. And so frogging is basically
• 24:41
  because the way the houses are built in America, it's so easy
• 24:44
  for someone to basically just move in and live in your walls.
• 24:49
  So that's frogging. You move into someone's house
• 24:52
  and you live in the walls without them knowing.
• 24:54
  I mean, absolutely, fuck that. Yeah, you live in the walls, you
• 24:58
  live in the attic. And they're normally the way
• 25:00
  they're built is you can get through the walls, up into the
• 25:02
  attic, down into the basement, and then at night when
• 25:05
  everyone's sleeping, you can enter the house through whatever
• 25:08
  fucking cracker like. Cranny.
• 25:11
  And then you piss or do whatever.
• 25:13
  So there's been loads of videos. There was one video actually
• 25:15
  that came out recently. And yeah, some woman.
• 25:19
  You see the vent pop out from over the fridge.
• 25:21
  She crawls down, pisses in the sink, steals their food, and
• 25:25
  then just gets back up into the fucking crawl space.
• 25:28
  But it happens all the fucking time, all the time.
• 25:32
  And it's so scary to me. It's just, it's terrifying.
• 25:34
  And I'm like, I know I live in a fucking apartment building.
• 25:37
  There's no way it could be my wallet.
• 25:38
  So what, you're saying that John Wayne Gacy found a way to
• 25:41
  prevent people from frogging because he just stuffed the
• 25:43
  walls with dead bodies? He just dove dead bodies
• 25:46
  everywhere. Yeah, I mean, that's one way to
• 25:47
  do. It I tried to frog his house and
• 25:48
  we're like. Yeah, like I'm not going in
• 25:52
  there. I think it might be called dead
• 25:53
  frogging if you just start stuffing bodies in your fall
• 25:56
  space like. Legit like Alicia, it's so
• 25:58
  fucking it's terrifying to me that I, I listen to these like
• 26:01
  don't sleep podcast things or whatever.
• 26:05
  And then one guy was saying that he was staying over at a
• 26:07
  friend's house and the, the vent or whatever it was.
• 26:11
  And like just, I've mentioned this to you before when we
• 26:13
  talked about Simpsons episode where the vent was above the bed
• 26:17
  and he looked up and there was just eyes looking at him.
• 26:20
  And I was like, you go. Like the you go episode scared
• 26:24
  me so much. I was just like, oh, no.
• 26:28
  But yeah, people could be living in your walls in American.
• 26:30
  You don't know. And it's not the same as like if
• 26:32
  you live in Tornado Alley, your houses are built that way.
• 26:34
  Basically. They're built to be stackable,
• 26:38
  like almost like IKEA furniture, because a tornado or a hurricane
• 26:43
  can take it out at any minute, and it's just so easy to just
• 26:46
  click it back together. And that's fine, unless you get
• 26:48
  a tax break for that. In places in the UK, and I think
• 26:52
  maybe in the likes of Dublin murders, Victorian bills, the
• 26:56
  attics of like terrorist housing, they don't have a block
• 26:59
  Gable wall going on so you can. No, they're all join, aren't
• 27:03
  they? Yeah, so there will be.
• 27:05
  I like there's reports of people breaking into people's houses by
• 27:09
  like, just going up into their own attic and walking, Yeah.
• 27:13
  And get down into their neighbor's house from the trap
• 27:16
  door. Like.
• 27:17
  So like, I suppose that's the only kind of.
• 27:21
  Like something similar that would be like relatable.
• 27:23
  Yeah, that we have what like in in America, I suppose in
• 27:26
  America, like when you've got cities like, you know, like in
• 27:29
  cities where like it's city blocks and stuff like that and
• 27:32
  everything they have got foundational buildings and they
• 27:35
  have like, you know, basements and like actual block bills.
• 27:40
  It it obviously isn't common. But out in more rural areas in
• 27:46
  America, like a lot of those, as you say, a lot of those houses
• 27:48
  are just stick built, especially in like places where Tornado
• 27:52
  Alley and stuff like that, like where your house is just going
• 27:54
  to fall down anyway, so you might as well like, like it's
• 27:58
  the tree pig. Yeah, my.
• 27:59
  Friend. Well.
• 28:02
  I won't build my house out of bricks, I'll just put that with
• 28:04
  sticks because I can build a cheap again.
• 28:07
  That's the thing, my friend Michaela, like, so she's, she's
• 28:11
  from Illinois, but they get like tornadoes a lot.
• 28:13
  But if you're actually down in Tornado Alley, there is like a
• 28:17
  huge tax break because you're basically you're living in the
• 28:20
  line of fire. And they're like, well, we got
• 28:22
  to give you something if you're actively choosing to, to do
• 28:25
  that. But yeah, it's like, it's just,
• 28:27
  it's, it's really fucking scary to me.
• 28:29
  It's one of the things that freaks me at the most that it's
• 28:31
  just like someone just watching you doing anything.
• 28:34
  And then you hear of so many cases where people will be like,
• 28:37
  oh, we call called a priest to be like, oh, we think our house
• 28:39
  is haunted because we hear this, this and this.
• 28:41
  There's someone living in the fucking attic.
• 28:43
  Yeah, it's the priest. And that's.
• 28:44
  It's but it's just like it's so fucking scary, Like there's
• 28:48
  always like I'm like I follow like creepy, creepy tick tock
• 28:51
  and they're like there's like loads of cases of like we're so
• 28:55
  Realtors will go to like show a house or whatever and then
• 28:58
  they're alone in the house and I'll hear a noise and it's just
• 29:01
  someone who's been sleeping up in the fucking.
• 29:02
  How's your mental health? I don't know anymore I.
• 29:06
  Really don't. Do you think that maybe watching
• 29:10
  all of this stuff about people living in walls and stuff, it
• 29:13
  probably isn't? That might have a negative
• 29:14
  effect on you. Not really because I know that
• 29:19
  can't happen really in the UK because I live in an apartment
• 29:21
  building so it doesn't, but it's also like.
• 29:23
  You also. Don't want to?
• 29:25
  I don't but my TikTok algorithm tends to only show me these
• 29:28
  videos like at night. But then when I went through my
• 29:30
  face of like of like not sleeping, I had one viral
• 29:35
  comment that has like something like half a million likes but it
• 29:39
  was like 6:00 AM in the summer and I saw this really creepy
• 29:42
  video and I just commented. Jokes on you, it's daylight
• 29:44
  here. He just got like half a million
• 29:47
  likes. So it's just like, because
• 29:49
  everyone always comments, why is why are you showing me this at
• 29:52
  3:00 AM? Why am I only seeing this at
• 29:53
  3:00 AM? But yeah.
• 29:56
  And this is how the crawl space entered into the public
• 29:59
  consciousness. I mean probably, it was probably
• 30:03
  happening with the Ed Gein era as well.
• 30:06
  He had a lot of shit in his crawl space he actually like had
• 30:11
  and just eat. In about two years we might do
• 30:14
  an episode. Oh, I can't wait.
• 30:17
  When Mother allows, we'll be what we'll we'll be stuffing
• 30:20
  things into the crawl space at Keene's house.
• 30:23
  He had made like, you know, how people skin cattle and like,
• 30:27
  hang the hide or they have it as a rogue, he had done that with
• 30:30
  human skin, but that was in order to hide that was actually
• 30:35
  inside a crawl space, like stapled to the walls within the
• 30:38
  crawl space. So I really like crawl spaces.
• 30:42
  I don't know. Anyway, so when John's victims
• 30:47
  were finally dead, he would often hide the body under his
• 30:49
  bed, Blah, blah, blah, That's fine.
• 30:51
  We got this. And then he decided to move them
• 30:54
  under his house into the crawl space.
• 30:57
  So some of the bodies he actually, I almost texted you
• 31:00
  about this at 1:00 AM, but I knew that he would have
• 31:02
  probably. Killed me.
• 31:04
  He treated with quick lime occasionally.
• 31:07
  So quick lime you're in construction.
• 31:10
  This is apparently to move decomposition on faster, Yes.
• 31:15
  How? Does that work?
• 31:16
  So lime will just like, burn you and burn you and burn you and
• 31:19
  burn you. So it just like it's.
• 31:21
  Yeah. And it comes in a powder format
• 31:23
  and like, even when the powder gets on you, it will just burn
• 31:26
  the shit out of you. It is a.
• 31:28
  White white rhino lime for anybody listening out there, if
• 31:31
  you want the best kind of lime, white rhino.
• 31:35
  And it's why if like in construction, a big thing with
• 31:38
  us is if you like end up somehow even partially submerged in like
• 31:45
  cement, you need to fucking get the hell out there very quickly
• 31:48
  get washed off because even mixed in with like everything
• 31:51
  else in cement, it will absolutely just tear the skin
• 31:55
  off your body with chemical burns.
• 31:58
  Yeah, they've also like lime plaster was like a lot more
• 32:03
  prevalent years and years ago about all bills.
• 32:06
  And the only time you'll see people like with like proper
• 32:10
  lime, like lime would have been the thing that made the plaster
• 32:12
  white. So you wouldn't have had to like
• 32:14
  paint the the plaster. OK, but it dry it, it dries out.
• 32:19
  Is it like a? Bleaching.
• 32:20
  Factor. Kind of yeah.
• 32:21
  Like it's it's not, it's not that it bleach yourself, it's
• 32:24
  just that it is bright. The fact that it is bright white
• 32:26
  itself, but the chemical itself will just burn through your skin
• 32:29
  like. But they've, they've kind of
• 32:31
  stopped the practice of them of putting lime into plaster now
• 32:35
  because people were inhaling a lot, you know, like people
• 32:39
  mixing it and it was getting into people's eyes into into
• 32:42
  lungs and stuff like that. And like if you I think like
• 32:45
  faces with preservation orders that you have to pull and like
• 32:49
  materials. Yeah.
• 32:52
  So what they end up doing is they get like a massive sheets
• 32:56
  of cloth, but it's like old, not hemp, but whatever that like
• 33:02
  must have made-up like it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, like a
• 33:05
  like a rope cloth like. So you cover the whole house
• 33:08
  with that and then you hose that down so that the lime can't like
• 33:13
  lift into the air because it will fuck people up like.
• 33:17
  OK. So it is like it's very
• 33:20
  efficient that actually eating away our bodies, or so I've
• 33:23
  heard. Yeah, because he used it a lot.
• 33:25
  And I mean, I guess, I guess he would have had like, access to a
• 33:29
  lot of it. So.
• 33:31
  So then other victims, he would try to embalm them.
• 33:35
  It's unclear who got what treatment and why.
• 33:37
  I think he was just kind of playing around.
• 33:39
  I don't know. So honestly, John didn't really
• 33:42
  seem that picky about who his victims were, as long as they
• 33:45
  were young and they were boys. Men.
• 33:49
  Sometimes he knew them, sometimes they were just random
• 33:51
  strangers. He would see them at a bus stop
• 33:53
  or maybe hitchhiking or just walking on the street.
• 33:56
  And so Gacy kind of fits into this category of what's called
• 34:00
  process killers. And it's where like a killer has
• 34:03
  this like, system that they use of like, you know, this is how I
• 34:07
  meet them. This is how I lure them into a
• 34:09
  false sense of security. This is how I kill them.
• 34:13
  This is then what I do with their body.
• 34:15
  And then there's usually like keepsakes and mementos.
• 34:18
  And so like this period, it's like he's figuring that stuff
• 34:21
  out, you know, like he's he's killed him.
• 34:23
  He kept him under the bed. OK, I can't keep him there.
• 34:25
  I need to figure out what I do, OK.
• 34:26
  I have this space under my bed, under my house.
• 34:29
  I'm going to keep them there. And then he was keeping
• 34:31
  keepsakes. He was keeping all these like
• 34:33
  mementos from them like in and. Around stuff like that.
• 34:36
  Just like bits and pieces like. Like a belt buckle I think was
• 34:39
  one of them. Yeah.
• 34:40
  Stuff that was like the cops how they didn't.
• 34:45
  We'll get to that later. This period is like he's trying
• 34:48
  to figure out his process and he's like figuring out like what
• 34:51
  works for him and what gives him the thrill that he's searching
• 34:55
  for. Yeah.
• 34:57
  But he wasn't that like I don't we'll, we'll probably get into
• 35:00
  it a little bit more, but no, go ahead.
• 35:02
  We we always like say with these kind of serial killers like, you
• 35:06
  know, the Bundy's and the BTK's and stuff like that, like
• 35:10
  because they killed so many people, like it's like they were
• 35:15
  very smart and you know, what they did was very calculated, a
• 35:19
  very smart. This poker I'm going to just put
• 35:22
  out there, this was. Dumb as shit.
• 35:24
  Dumb as fuck and how he got away with 33.
• 35:27
  Yeah. Oh.
• 35:27
  No, it's not like he's. Really obvious, he.
• 35:29
  Had a process, yeah. Well, yeah.
• 35:31
  And I think just you, you touched on it last week.
• 35:34
  I touched on a lot of things. But it was the homosexual thing,
• 35:39
  I think was half of his, his strength here.
• 35:42
  You could say that there was so much evidence against him.
• 35:45
  There were so many times that the police were called out of
• 35:47
  it. There was like, oh, we're not
• 35:48
  touching the gay stuff. Yeah, actually, yeah.
• 35:50
  It's actually because I'm gay guys.
• 35:52
  And they go, Oh no, I don't want to.
• 35:55
  No, go away. Go do that over there.
• 35:58
  Yeah. Like you have no idea.
• 36:00
  Like how that is just so on the nose.
• 36:03
  But like but. It's.
• 36:05
  Like, oh, I do. I do believe with the likes of
• 36:08
  these cops and stuff I don't match.
• 36:10
  I actually believe with like most of the world where you've
• 36:17
  got men who are like, oh, gays and they're automatically like,
• 36:23
  I, I, I that's disgusting. I don't want to know about that
• 36:26
  is that they're afraid that they're going to get a boner if
• 36:28
  they hear or think about. I honestly do believe that.
• 36:32
  And I think there is a big fear that they're like, I don't want
• 36:35
  to be gay. I'm not comfortable with my
• 36:39
  sexuality. Covering up to yours being like
• 36:40
  La La La La La La. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:45
  What if I, what if I see a penis and I like it and it's like, I
• 36:49
  do believe that's exactly what happened here with the cops
• 36:52
  where they went. What if I?
• 36:53
  Kiss a man. What if I kiss a man and I hold
• 36:57
  his hand and he fulfills my every whim?
• 36:59
  That's gay. Yeah, what if I what if I fall
• 37:03
  in love and have a love? I feel more fulfilled than I've
• 37:05
  ever felt before with another human being.
• 37:08
  Oh. What if I like myself, guys?
• 37:10
  No, I can't do that. But yeah, no.
• 37:15
  And it's true. And it's like, it's sadly like
• 37:16
  it still is the case today. Like, I mean, maybe not to the
• 37:19
  extent, but like. They're well in cell culture and
• 37:23
  toxic masculinity culture like that stuff.
• 37:26
  There it still is the case. And the The funny thing is the
• 37:30
  take, the one thing that would cure in cell is gayness.
• 37:34
  And like it's the it's the funny.
• 37:36
  It's The funny thing is like these guys are like, why doesn't
• 37:38
  any woman like me? I'd write any woman.
• 37:41
  Yeah, well, if you change it, just tweak that little thing and
• 37:44
  go. I'd write any man.
• 37:45
  Any man would write you. He all just and you'd stop
• 37:49
  shooting up schools and you would go, you'd be too busy
• 37:53
  sucking and fucking to be on the Internet telling people that
• 37:56
  they're fucking Dick heads or whatever.
• 37:59
  And you wouldn't be scratching anything in the bullets and
• 38:02
  trying to fucking kill presidents.
• 38:03
  He'll all be out there, just in one big gay in cell pile.
• 38:07
  And. Back in the pile.
• 38:09
  No, yeah, back on the pile. I don't know if you saw that
• 38:16
  that Reddit story that's come out recently and it's basically
• 38:18
  like this, this straight guy talking about how he gets a lot
• 38:23
  of women, but he also hates vaginas because of their flawed
• 38:28
  design. It's actually just he like when
• 38:34
  we do a Reddit episode, you have to come on for that specific one
• 38:38
  because he goes into design details, ergonomics.
• 38:43
  He goes into a bunch of like scientific facts of to why a
• 38:46
  vagina and having a vagina is not practical is.
• 38:50
  Tell me you can't make a woman come by telling without telling
• 38:53
  me you can't make a woman come. Basically he just goes on to how
• 38:56
  penises are superior and. Not more practical.
• 39:00
  And it is better. Superior.
• 39:03
  Legit like how they get how they achieve reproduction, just
• 39:08
  straightforward to the point where vagina should just be 1
• 39:11
  hole and that's it. They shouldn't have to be
• 39:14
  anything else. There shouldn't be all stuff
• 39:16
  around them. There shouldn't be any.
• 39:18
  But hey, let's discharge. There's Let's just stop and.
• 39:21
  Give them Oregon. Let's give him a little bit of
• 39:23
  credit that he did recognize that there is more one more than
• 39:26
  one hole. Yeah.
• 39:27
  Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's that is
• 39:29
  true. He's done his homework.
• 39:31
  Well, yeah, basically, they're not.
• 39:32
  They're not arrogonomically practical.
• 39:35
  I I looked at a diagram and I hate women.
• 39:39
  Yeah, I I mean, I think so. It's like I'm a straight man.
• 39:43
  Like high Reddit, I'm a straight man.
• 39:44
  Me 42, male. I'm a high value male.
• 39:48
  It's like. I know.
• 39:50
  And I was like, so like obviously for the for the other
• 39:52
  podcast, if you have listened to it, you probably haven't.
• 39:55
  We have like a little sub thing going on here where I do the
• 39:58
  Reddit stories, but this is one of the ones that I'm saving for.
• 40:01
  When you guys are free to actually do an episode because I
• 40:04
  just think that I need your reactions on this actual whole
• 40:08
  thing and the way he describes it because he literally
• 40:10
  describes vaginas like he is a like an engineer and he just
• 40:18
  talks about everything that could be wrong with what?
• 40:21
  Are you some kind of gay architect?
• 40:24
  Like legit, it's like it's it's crazy.
• 40:27
  But anyway, let's get right, let's get back to this.
• 40:34
  So there are also several ways with John trapped his victims.
• 40:39
  You promised most of them a job working for his construction
• 40:41
  company. And then other times it was
• 40:43
  basically like, hey, you should come back to my place.
• 40:46
  I have alcohol and drugs and you could give me sex in exchange.
• 40:50
  The Danny message. That is me.
• 40:54
  I don't pay for sex. And now the scariest thing of
• 40:57
  all was there was one point where John was able to get his
• 41:01
  hands on a police badge and a siren light and he would
• 41:06
  basically just fucking drive around and trick victims into
• 41:09
  believing that he was a police officer.
• 41:11
  And that's scary. So he'd be like, license,
• 41:13
  registration and cock. Please this.
• 41:15
  Is why people hate cops. Oh yeah.
• 41:18
  Yeah, and it's easy to impersonate them, apparently
• 41:20
  back in the 70s. Yeah, you just have to act
• 41:22
  illiterate. Yes, so John had been pulling
• 41:26
  these stunts since 1972 and he was getting away with it for a
• 41:30
  long time. So you know how he was married
• 41:33
  to wife #2 We touched on this a little bit in the last episode,
• 41:38
  but there is a lot of debate around how much she actually
• 41:43
  knew. Like did she know anything at
• 41:45
  all or how could she not know? Because as we mentioned last
• 41:49
  week, she was finding like random wallets and things like
• 41:53
  that down in his basement and everything.
• 41:57
  But she knew he had a homosexual, homosexual tendency.
• 42:02
  Homosexual team. She knew.
• 42:04
  She knew that he was locked up for the sodomy charge.
• 42:08
  Yeah. In what?
• 42:10
  I forget. That was 68.
• 42:11
  Was it or? 68, yeah.
• 42:14
  And then so she she knew about it, about the proclivities and
• 42:19
  also and they were apparently swingers, so like.
• 42:25
  Yeah, with the other JC members. Yeah, JC members.
• 42:28
  So like they did go to to fish bowl the key parties and stuff
• 42:32
  like that. Like so I think she she already
• 42:35
  knew like at these parties he'd get a little bit gay.
• 42:39
  Like I'm not sure if it was in her presence, but like she was
• 42:42
  like, there's probably just I know this guy's.
• 42:44
  Gay men and they were, you know, they would organize swing.
• 42:47
  Swinger. Party and tell their wives it's
• 42:48
  like, Oh yeah, we're going to swap wives.
• 42:50
  And then they were just like talking each other.
• 42:53
  Yeah, you've got. No rules at the party.
• 42:56
  It's the party. You've got a divorcee in the
• 42:59
  1970s with two two daughters. Yeah.
• 43:04
  From another marriage, this guy took her on, had a had a house,
• 43:08
  took her in, took her motor in at 1 stage as well.
• 43:11
  And he was a good businessman, a hard worker.
• 43:15
  He was well thought of all the way around.
• 43:17
  So would you turn a blind eye to his excursions, even if it was
• 43:24
  like, OK, so for her, like, again, I'm not, I'm not trying
• 43:28
  to claim into the mind, but I'm just going to assume here that
• 43:32
  like she might have like, because she knew that he was
• 43:35
  kind of sexually deviant. And I don't mean just the gay
• 43:39
  stuff. I mean, like he does he he does
• 43:40
  some stuff that would have been considered sexually deviant at
• 43:43
  the time. Again, no king shaman over here.
• 43:45
  How could I, if you could see inside my mind?
• 43:48
  And but like that, that she was obviously turning a blind eye to
• 43:53
  this stuff because she now had a lifestyle that she wouldn't have
• 43:56
  got elsewhere. You know, like she wouldn't have
• 43:59
  got that. Like, that's what I'm thinking
• 44:01
  in my head. That's the conclusion I'm drawn
• 44:03
  from. This is I don't think she thinks
• 44:05
  that there's lads being murdered and although if if not, she kind
• 44:10
  of is dumb because she was complaining about the smell in
• 44:11
  the house all the time and this book and rising vamp excuse, he
• 44:15
  was used. Yeah.
• 44:16
  And that's another thing that I, I kind of find a bit strange
• 44:19
  about it is because like, and, and we'll get to it later on,
• 44:22
  but like one of the cops who would enter the house
• 44:25
  immediately said it smelt like death.
• 44:27
  So if you're if you're living in that house, there's no way that
• 44:30
  you don't get that smell. And like it is such a distinct.
• 44:34
  He invites some cops in at once, yeah.
• 44:36
  He does, yeah. He invites the cops in and
• 44:38
  they're happy. To cook some fish dinner.
• 44:41
  Yeah, but. It's like clever.
• 44:44
  What a mastermind. In my head, right, she because
• 44:48
  there's like, it's, there's no way she isn't like hearing these
• 44:51
  things and like obviously smelling these things.
• 44:53
  But like in my head, it's like he's downstairs doing something
• 44:55
  and she's like washing dishes and she's just cranks the radio
• 44:58
  and saying, don't you remember you told me you love me baby?
• 45:02
  She's like singing along just ignoring everything.
• 45:04
  And it's just like, how much can you ignore it at that point when
• 45:09
  like your husband is downstairs cracking men which matter loud,
• 45:14
  right, You got two ways together.
• 45:15
  I've I've seen a gay porn. I gay porn.
• 45:18
  Porno. It's a gay porno and it's like
• 45:22
  you, you, it's, it's loud. It's not, it's not a quiet
• 45:24
  thing, especially like, I mean, if it's not consensual on one
• 45:28
  end, it's probably a lot louder, right?
• 45:30
  How is she? Just like, that's fine.
• 45:32
  I'll just be here watching the Donny Osmond show and I can't
• 45:36
  hear what's going on down there. And that's none of my business.
• 45:40
  And you're like, fucking like Farrah, really.
• 45:43
  Get up, girl, Come on. I do think that a lot of the
• 45:47
  times and this has happened and like he had, he sent her out
• 45:51
  like, you know, on trips. So like, he was making good.
• 45:55
  He was making bank, like, and he was sending, yeah.
• 45:57
  He was making a lot of money. So he was sending her on like
• 46:01
  trips away all the time. Well, you and the girls should
• 46:04
  go visit your parents that like. And then.
• 46:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's so nice.
• 46:11
  He's treating us to a trip away. And then that's when, like he
• 46:14
  would do these like attacks and kind of bursts of like two or
• 46:18
  three, you know, on a weekend like, or so I believe.
• 46:21
  Yeah. So, yeah.
• 46:22
  So a lot of people do think that she was like kind of AI guess
• 46:27
  forced accomplice. But then a lot of people think
• 46:30
  like, no, she was, I don't know. There's there's never been a
• 46:32
  conclusion. She's at least implicated by
• 46:34
  negligence. Really.
• 46:35
  I would say she, I would say she's aware, but just like very
• 46:38
  deeply in denial about like her entire situation that like, you
• 46:43
  know, he provides a lifestyle. If she like, you know, if she
• 46:48
  interferes with it or ruins it, she won't have her lifestyle
• 46:50
  anymore. And maybe she just thought it
• 46:52
  was just gay stuff and she was like, you know what, I don't
• 46:54
  mind because like, you know, that's just, that's just who he
• 46:57
  is. And you know, like he supports
• 46:59
  us, he supports my family. So, you know, like I'm willing
• 47:02
  to support that. But like, there's, there's for
• 47:05
  sure like a level of denial there where like it must have
• 47:08
  been really obvious that there was something more nefarious
• 47:11
  going on. But that's a huge thing.
• 47:14
  I as well with like athletes and celebrities who go and they
• 47:18
  cheat a lot. That they're all games.
• 47:20
  Wives and girlfriends, yeah, but no, their wives and girlfriends
• 47:23
  are afforded this lifestyle and like, is that D Devon?
• 47:29
  Exactly. Fucking prime example is there
• 47:32
  afforded this lifestyle and they're still getting it.
• 47:35
  If they rock the boat, yeah, they're not going to have that
• 47:38
  lifestyle anywhere because it's so easy for them to be like,
• 47:39
  right, fuck you, then fuck off, I'll go and someone else will
• 47:42
  get it. So it's just to be like, no, not
• 47:44
  listening, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
• 47:46
  And then it's just like, I have my money.
• 47:48
  I have my Louis Vuitton bags, I have anything that I want.
• 47:51
  The kids are looked after. I'm fine.
• 47:52
  We have a nanny. If I say something, this all
• 47:55
  blows up and I'm back to fucking living just on my own trying to
• 47:59
  look after these kids with no fucking massive paycheck.
• 48:01
  Wouldn't eat at your soul though.
• 48:04
  Has to, has to like, and, and that's another thing I'd say
• 48:08
  it's a huge thing, especially with athletes where it's just
• 48:10
  like you have like NHL hockey players say specifically like
• 48:15
  the, the big level guys that it's like, well, they're like,
• 48:18
  Oh yeah, your husband cheats on you all the time.
• 48:19
  But like, Oh well, you're like you're home in a fucking mansion
• 48:24
  in like fucking Florida doing whatever the fuck you want.
• 48:27
  You don't have to work. I wouldn't give a fuck.
• 48:30
  I'm like, yeah, he can, he can put it in whatever he wants.
• 48:32
  If I get my spa day, I don't have to go to work.
• 48:34
  I can go shopping when I want. I have a credit card I can take.
• 48:37
  Fuck yeah. I mean, so that's probably.
• 48:39
  Living that Carmela lifestyle. Exactly, that's exactly it.
• 48:42
  Like they and you, you find that all the time.
• 48:45
  If you have money, you can do anything you want.
• 48:48
  Like if, if you're like, basically if I'm living this
• 48:51
  lifestyle because of you, what anything you do is none of my
• 48:55
  business. Like as long as I'm getting
• 48:57
  paid. Is this the opposite of our
• 48:58
  Pixie dream girl? Probably.
• 49:00
  This like the the the idea like you know where we were talking
• 49:04
  about this idea of this. A Pixie dreamer was like, I'll
• 49:07
  make you love. I'll make you see within
• 49:09
  yourself and see that you're a horrible person and that you
• 49:11
  actually want to be a good person.
• 49:12
  So yeah, maybe I would very much be, I would gladly be a
• 49:15
  Carmella. I'm just like fucking I'll.
• 49:17
  Take Melania and. You don't do whatever.
• 49:20
  That's your girl. Hello.
• 49:21
  Yeah, that isn't my fucking my Angel.
• 49:24
  I would, I would like if I was picked up off Epstein's island
• 49:28
  and I was the first lady of the United States also, First off,
• 49:31
  could you imagine? But second off, like, yeah, I'm
• 49:34
  fucking I'm living in Trump Tower, not saying anything.
• 49:37
  He's a pedophile. I'll be over here like I don't
• 49:41
  give a fuck. Daddy self-proclaimed pedophile
• 49:45
  apologist. You heard it here.
• 49:46
  First ladies, I'm not. Apologizing.
• 49:48
  I'm just not. I think like.
• 49:51
  I think like anyone else would be like.
• 49:52
  That's not my truth. Anyone else would be like I
• 49:55
  would have 100 guns and I would shoot him 100 times with each
• 49:59
  gun. I'm just like, I have lunch at
• 50:02
  Hermes. I'm sorry, like, and then when
• 50:06
  he died, I'll be like, yeah, I knew all along because what the
• 50:08
  fuck are they going to do? Then she was in the right.
• 50:11
  Area. Nice to see that you take a
• 50:13
  stand for something, Danny, isn't it?
• 50:16
  Money, So I'm not I don't even care.
• 50:26
  I actually don't. I'm just like you, if you were
• 50:29
  faced with a fucking millionaires money and you're
• 50:31
  like, OK, you can't talk about and being a piece of shit.
• 50:34
  I'd be like, I'll be at the Caymans, all right, wait till he
• 50:38
  dies and then I'll talk about it.
• 50:42
  All right. I have suffered.
• 50:46
  I think you should. Just move on to keep Taco
• 50:49
  because. I'm trying.
• 50:52
  Just for your sake. For your character's sake.
• 50:56
  Oh, I don't care, character's long gone, it's fine.
• 50:58
  Umm, Oh no, I'm getting kicked out of my.
• 51:00
  It's fine. Where the CIA?
• 51:04
  Is probably kicking you over. Fucking same guys.
• 51:07
  It's basically like Trump has a proposal for you.
• 51:12
  An incoming call from Donald Trump, Kim.
• 51:16
  Jong UN. Vladimir Putin has sent you a
• 51:22
  friend request. Anyway, OK, so many people have
• 51:30
  wondered. Sorry.
• 51:34
  So many people have wondered throughout the years, why didn't
• 51:37
  the local police notice anything going on?
• 51:41
  There was a bunch of people going missing.
• 51:42
  Nobody questioned anything. No one reported anything.
• 51:45
  It was just bizarre. So this is what gets me.
• 51:49
  Cops had said that they'd seen plenty of young men going in and
• 51:53
  out of John's house and then not leave.
• 51:58
  But like they were still like, that's his business.
• 52:03
  But it's a whole thing where they the cops were either like
• 52:08
  threat, not the cops, the the, the kids I guess he brought back
• 52:13
  were either like threatened or embarrassed or scared.
• 52:18
  Like it takes a lot to to to come out, I guess, you know what
• 52:23
  I mean? Like they didn't want to kind of
• 52:24
  admit, yeah, either I was like raped by a dude or I was there
• 52:29
  to potentially hook up with a dude.
• 52:31
  Like at that time it would have been like a huge a huge issue.
• 52:36
  Like they didn't want to like come out as like a gay man to
• 52:40
  these cops and be like, yeah, I was there to like, fuck this
• 52:42
  older guy, but he's a weird guy. Because then the cops, the cops
• 52:46
  would have been shit heads about it.
• 52:49
  They would think. For a lot of these cases as
• 52:51
  well, I think there weren't gay guys.
• 52:54
  He, he got them. He got them in and he like even
• 52:58
  the ones that like he didn't murder that were like the
• 53:02
  suspicious ones, like they come out years later.
• 53:05
  I think there's a guy, you know, who's like a big surfer dude,
• 53:07
  while like he's like cowabunga kind of a guy.
• 53:10
  And he was like, yeah, he brought me in and filled me with
• 53:15
  liquor and weed and offered me 50 book books to blow him.
• 53:20
  And I just did. And it wasn't because I'm gay,
• 53:23
  it's because I wanted money and I was drunk.
• 53:26
  Yeah. Like you're not going to come
• 53:27
  out and go straight to the cops and be like, hey, that guy gave
• 53:30
  me $50.00 to suck his cock. Like, like it's just not going
• 53:33
  to be it's. Not something people are going
• 53:35
  to admit. To.
• 53:36
  No, I'm not. That's that seems to be like a
• 53:38
  big theme with his victims and stuff.
• 53:40
  Like he did tend to pick up a lot of like runaways people that
• 53:46
  he didn't think that people would miss.
• 53:49
  And, and there would be cases where he would say, pick
• 53:52
  somebody up off the side of the road or at a bus station or
• 53:55
  whatever and have the conversation with, you know, who
• 53:58
  are you? Where are you going?
• 53:59
  Who knows? You're here kind of like, but
• 54:01
  just make it sound really buddy, buddy being like, oh, you're in
• 54:04
  Chicago, like you're from here. Oh, but you miss your, your
• 54:07
  family are going to miss you. And then kind of.
• 54:09
  Scope out. Pull it in that way to get the
• 54:11
  yeah to get the he. Went prowling like 1000%.
• 54:15
  Yes, yeah. And he was a very like
• 54:18
  charismatic man. Like he knew how to talk.
• 54:21
  We've established this in the last episode.
• 54:24
  He I had a weird way of like making people trust him and open
• 54:29
  up to him and just seeming like a very nice guy that like if he
• 54:34
  showed up, you wouldn't necessarily be like fucking
• 54:37
  creep offered me a place to say it would be like, oh fuck, I'm
• 54:41
  really lucky to have just met this nice guy.
• 54:44
  He's a. Complete chameleon psychopath
• 54:47
  who adapts adapts to what the person needs from him.
• 54:53
  So like whatever whatever you need, he'll get like whoever you
• 54:56
  want him to be. He would have been it like.
• 54:58
  I'm like, we'll get more into that.
• 55:00
  Like as we discussed, like the victims and stuff.
• 55:02
  But like, he was very, very good at making these big promises and
• 55:07
  just making people feel like, I mean, like he would have been a
• 55:10
  fucking incredible politician today if we had him in the Trump
• 55:13
  administration today. Like.
• 55:15
  Instead, we have Donald Trump, who like you.
• 55:19
  Know yeah, bring Gacy probably would have been better.
• 55:21
  He's a pedophile, honestly. And before we get into his first
• 55:26
  victim, and so earlier on when I mentioned the Khmer Rouge and
• 55:29
  then when you said Paul Pot, it like this little light bulb went
• 55:31
  off my head. The Khmer Rouge were Paul Potts
• 55:34
  little. That's him.
• 55:35
  That was him. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:37
  That makes sense. Yeah.
• 55:38
  Then I do know. Then I do know about.
• 55:39
  Because that that was Cambodia. That's not his real name as
• 55:41
  well. He picked Paul Pot as a Yeah, of
• 55:44
  course it was Cambodia. Why?
• 55:45
  I'm such a dumbass but like. That was his gimmick name.
• 55:48
  Yeah, yeah, he. That's the whole.
• 55:50
  Holiday in Cambodia. Were the Dead Kennedys?
• 55:53
  Yeah. Do you not remember that song?
• 55:57
  No. What?
• 55:58
  I'm sorry singer singer there sing 5 lines.
• 56:00
  Oh good God, can you? Sing like I'm not going to sing.
• 56:03
  I'm not a singer. So I think a little bathroom
• 56:05
  anyways. But they say Pol Pot over and
• 56:07
  over again, and it's it's basically about that whole
• 56:12
  situation. OK, so.
• 56:14
  It's a whole holiday in Cambodia.
• 56:16
  Uh, don't forget to ring your wife.
• 56:19
  What is it? What's how are the words go?
• 56:22
  I have no idea. How do you not know you're into
• 56:24
  your punk in your scar? Yeah, I just don't know all the
• 56:27
  lyrics to all the word, all the songs.
• 56:30
  I'll send it to you to see SO. His first murder victim.
• 56:33
  Paul Potts. You wear glasses, Murder.
• 56:39
  Victim, you wear glasses? Yeah.
• 56:40
  You're too smart. I kill you.
• 56:43
  John's first murder victim was a 16 year old kid named Timothy.
• 56:47
  Don't have a second name? On January 2nd, 1972, John was
• 56:52
  at a family party and then he leaves to go for a drive.
• 56:55
  Apparently the town had put up some ice sculptures and it only
• 56:59
  happens quote UN quote once in a while and he wanted to go see
• 57:03
  these ice sculptures. So while he was driving around.
• 57:06
  That's the first clue he was gay.
• 57:08
  Wait away. Absolutely guys, just leaving to
• 57:10
  see some ice sculptures. Ice sculptures.
• 57:13
  I'll be right back. No one wants to come.
• 57:16
  OK, fine. I'll go by myself.
• 57:18
  So he while he's driving around, he sees Timothy at the Chicago
• 57:23
  bus terminal on his own. And he's basically like, hey,
• 57:28
  look, it's really late. I have a place you can stay,
• 57:30
  give you a place to sleep, and I'll bring you back to the bus
• 57:34
  in the morning because apparently this Timothy kid was
• 57:37
  taking several buses cross country.
• 57:40
  This is one of the times when he would have had to basically been
• 57:44
  overnight in that terminal for his bus the next morning to get
• 57:47
  to the other point that he wanted to get to.
• 57:49
  So he was like, it's not safe, Just fucking come stay with me.
• 57:52
  It's fine. So this kid is like, yeah, of
• 57:56
  course. Like, again, another thing that
• 57:58
  we were talking about, the trust at that time was crazy to just
• 58:02
  be like. Yeah, sure, why not?
• 58:03
  I'll get near Carol. Like hitchhike, Hitchhike
• 58:06
  culture was kind. Of a huge, huge.
• 58:09
  Yeah, and I guess he was desperate enough to be like, I
• 58:12
  mean, like, I mean, I assume dead of fucking yeah, January,
• 58:16
  dead of winter. He's probably freezing.
• 58:18
  He doesn't want to spend the night in a fucking bus terminal
• 58:20
  so. Chicago is notoriously cool,
• 58:23
  yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
• 58:26
  So he is like, yeah, cool, fine. So the details of this story
• 58:32
  then are very unclear. But this is just John's.
• 58:36
  I'm not looking for the word recollection.
• 58:37
  He's. Version.
• 58:38
  Recount Yeah, this is just what John said happened that night.
• 58:43
  So he wakes up that next morning and he sees Timothy.
• 58:46
  Timothy is holding a knife from John's kitchen.
• 58:50
  John. Says he just reacts.
• 58:52
  He jumps up. Timothy was trying to surrender
• 58:55
  and he accidentally cut John's arm and that really set John
• 59:00
  off. So John grabs him with his wrist
• 59:03
  and he sorry, grabs Timothy by the wrist and twists it so that
• 59:10
  Timothy drops the knife and then he slams him into the wall.
• 59:14
  Then he kicks him into the closet.
• 59:16
  It's. A bit on the nose.
• 59:19
  I know. So then Timothy kicks John in
• 59:22
  the stomach when he's fighting back and the two of them are
• 59:25
  basically wrestling on the floor.
• 59:27
  Eventually John gets on top of Timothy and just starts stabbing
• 59:32
  him in the chest. So John gets up after he's
• 59:36
  stabbed this kid a bunch of times, goes to the kitchen to
• 59:39
  put the knife back, which why is that even your fucking concern
• 59:44
  anyway? And then he notices that there
• 59:47
  was an open carton of eggs, bacon, and like a bunch of
• 59:52
  breakfast stuff on the counter in the kitchen.
• 59:54
  And he was like, oh, I think Timothy was just coming in to
• 59:58
  wake me to ask me how I wanted my eggs.
• 1:00:00
  So in this in this is funny that the recounting of this, he
• 1:00:06
  actually does talk about himself in the third person while he's
• 1:00:10
  he. Does he does that for every
• 1:00:12
  murder? Which is so fucking creepy.
• 1:00:14
  Obviously a disassociative kind of a thing like.
• 1:00:17
  Yeah. Yeah, this, this one is that
• 1:00:20
  when when he goes, obviously we'll get because like this is 1
• 1:00:23
  of 33 like so we'll we'll come back to it like where where he
• 1:00:28
  starts kind of retelling things in the way that was like, oh, I
• 1:00:33
  didn't confess to anything this, but this one he says he always
• 1:00:36
  did. Ah, and it was this.
• 1:00:38
  This is the one. So this was accidental and he
• 1:00:40
  did it. Doesn't look like the other ones
• 1:00:42
  because he did stab this kid to death.
• 1:00:44
  I do believe that this one might have been like the closest to
• 1:00:48
  accidental. I don't think it was accidental,
• 1:00:51
  but I think it might have been the closest to him not actually
• 1:00:54
  wanting to fucking murder somebody.
• 1:00:57
  Well, I think, I think he tried to fuck.
• 1:00:59
  I think he tried to fuck that kid and then he he woke up and
• 1:01:04
  the kid had a knife and said let me out of the house and he
• 1:01:07
  wrestled the kid and he stabbed them to fucking death.
• 1:01:10
  Maybe that like in my head, like it's the the the breakfast story
• 1:01:14
  is ridiculous that like, Oh, we because like if you're like
• 1:01:18
  fighting each other for like 5-10 minutes, whatever it was at
• 1:01:22
  one point with the kid not be like, I was just making your
• 1:01:24
  breakfast. I was just making your
• 1:01:25
  breakfast. I was really checking Caesars
• 1:01:27
  eggs like so like it's a stupid fucking.
• 1:01:28
  Story I feel like this. Is after coming up this.
• 1:01:31
  Is like a story he's telling the cops where he's trying to be
• 1:01:33
  like, you know, you know, he's telling them this, like version
• 1:01:36
  of events where it's like self-defense.
• 1:01:38
  But then. But then it's just like, but
• 1:01:40
  then like at the end, you just see, you know, he probably just
• 1:01:42
  like this twinkle in his eye. And with the wink, he's just
• 1:01:44
  like, oh, I guess he was asking me how I like my eggs.
• 1:01:47
  And it's like, oh, you're like performing.
• 1:01:49
  Yeah. You're telling the story because
• 1:01:50
  you think this is funny. And he did that a lot with with
• 1:01:55
  cops that were interviewing him and stuff like a bunch of so I
• 1:02:00
  have a bunch of stuff like here at the end.
• 1:02:02
  But like a lot of cops had basically said it was he would
• 1:02:05
  sit there and he would laugh about it, like retelling the
• 1:02:07
  stories and things and he would be like excited talking about
• 1:02:11
  it. But with this kid, I truly do
• 1:02:14
  think like this was, I don't think that he meant to kill this
• 1:02:21
  kid. Like I don't think that he
• 1:02:23
  wanted to. I think that he did and not
• 1:02:26
  changed everything for him. I think he just basically
• 1:02:29
  because like we'll go on to say this, like he had said in
• 1:02:33
  interviews after this, that killing this kid, this whole
• 1:02:37
  situation basically gave him a mind numbing orgasm.
• 1:02:42
  And I don't think he expected that, but I do think that that
• 1:02:46
  was the kind of catalyst to be like, well, now I have to.
• 1:02:48
  Keep I think that this was though, this was inevitable
• 1:02:51
  because when you look at like everything he was doing up this
• 1:02:53
  point, like there was just escalation, escalation,
• 1:02:55
  escalation. And so he was always going to
• 1:02:58
  come to this point where he was going to go, he was going to
• 1:03:01
  kill someone because like, even if he didn't consciously know
• 1:03:04
  it, he wanted to know what it felt like.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, and that's the thing. I think that was like the kind
• 1:03:10
  of last stop of power over somebody.
• 1:03:14
  You could say. Like, I think that's kind of
• 1:03:16
  where that started. So, yeah, as I said, Don would
• 1:03:21
  say in interviews that this whole experience gave him a,
• 1:03:24
  quote, mind numbing orgasm, End Quote, and that he was very
• 1:03:28
  sexually satisfied from what had just happened.
• 1:03:32
  And that's the moment that John realized that death was the
• 1:03:35
  ultimate thrill for him. He ate the breakfast,
• 1:03:40
  apparently, that Timothy was making them.
• 1:03:43
  And then once he's all done, he takes Timothy and puts him in
• 1:03:47
  the crawl space under the house. And then later he goes back and
• 1:03:52
  covers that area with an additional layer of concrete.
• 1:03:56
  So just fucking basically concrete sport Timothy and into
• 1:04:01
  the fucking foundation of his house.
• 1:04:03
  So killing Timothy satisfied John for quite some time,
• 1:04:06
  because he waited about two years before he killed again.
• 1:04:10
  See, that's that's why I don't think that this this gap, the
• 1:04:13
  fact that he concreted him in and this time gap, that's why I
• 1:04:17
  do think that this wasn't in wasn't in the plan.
• 1:04:20
  It wasn't like he was OK, This is the first of many.
• 1:04:24
  So this is this is where he he kind of this was, I'm not going
• 1:04:30
  to say an accidental death or anything like that, but he
• 1:04:33
  didn't set out to kill that kid that night.
• 1:04:35
  He did murder. He panicked.
• 1:04:38
  He concreted them into the foundations underneath the crawl
• 1:04:41
  space. And then and then laid low for
• 1:04:46
  two years. And that's why I think it's not
• 1:04:47
  the same as the other deaths. But this two years, obviously he
• 1:04:51
  was itching for to get to get back into this.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, this mind numbing organ, I'm sure.
• 1:04:56
  That like he was up to no good in those two years, but like he,
• 1:04:59
  yeah, he kind of pulled himself back from going to the step of
• 1:05:03
  murder. Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  Do you think he might have gotten like a fright from that?
• 1:05:06
  Like, do you think that's what kind of stopped?
• 1:05:08
  Him, I mean, it could have like, it could have scared him, like
• 1:05:10
  how much he was into it, you know, And maybe there was like
• 1:05:12
  this, you know, kind of period where he was like, is this, is
• 1:05:17
  this what I'm always searching for?
• 1:05:19
  Because like for him, like, you know, there was all these
• 1:05:20
  processes, there was all these like habits that he had, Like
• 1:05:23
  he'd go out cruising, he'd go out prowling.
• 1:05:26
  And like I, you know, I, like I said, I was sure in these two
• 1:05:30
  years he was still up to like the old tricks and maybe he.
• 1:05:34
  Yeah, yeah, it was probably still.
• 1:05:36
  Maybe he thought that like if he did it again, he'd never stop.
• 1:05:38
  And then eventually he was just like, don't care anymore.
• 1:05:42
  Well. I think that I, I kind of think
• 1:05:46
  that this one was so sloppy that he was kind of like, I this I
• 1:05:53
  can't do that again because it was fucked up.
• 1:05:56
  There was blood every the way he described it, like where there
• 1:05:59
  was blood on. Yeah, he pat, he panicked, he
• 1:06:02
  got rid of the body. So I think it was like, OK,
• 1:06:06
  that's that's that one and done. I'm like, I'm not going to do
• 1:06:09
  that again. Like I don't think he had it in
• 1:06:10
  his mind that like at some stage he's going to kill again on.
• 1:06:14
  But when he gets a little bit more focused later on, because
• 1:06:18
  like again, when we talk about his kind of personality style,
• 1:06:21
  he's someone who is very kind of methodical about stuff that he
• 1:06:26
  he plays the character to people, you know, he's very work
• 1:06:31
  orientated. Like he he he's a hard working
• 1:06:33
  person. He plays him.
• 1:06:34
  He prides himself on the kind of diligence he has in life when it
• 1:06:39
  comes to like even when it comes to being a clown.
• 1:06:43
  Like he became a registered clown and he should have been
• 1:06:46
  registered in order fucking you should have been on different
• 1:06:49
  registers. But like he was a registered
• 1:06:51
  clown. Like he went through all the the
• 1:06:53
  proper stuff he wanted to. Become he went to clown college.
• 1:06:57
  Yeah, like this is the, this is the thing like, so like the when
• 1:07:01
  something like that happens, like obviously when whether that
• 1:07:06
  was panic or rage, how he killed Timothy and I don't think he
• 1:07:10
  liked the way that went down. Yeah, he he readjusted obviously
• 1:07:15
  later. Yeah.
• 1:07:17
  So as time went on, John started to be less cautious and started
• 1:07:21
  to show up on the police radar. In January 1976, someone calls
• 1:07:27
  the police and said that John was responsible for the
• 1:07:30
  disappearance of a nine year old boy.
• 1:07:32
  We talked about this last week. This pisses me off so much.
• 1:07:35
  So John lived near O'Hare Airport in Chicago, which was
• 1:07:39
  technically outside of the precinct.
• 1:07:43
  Who received this call. It was outside of their
• 1:07:46
  jurisdiction, which means that they weren't allowed to build a
• 1:07:49
  case against him at all. And it would have to be the
• 1:07:53
  other Police Department that was basically closest to O'Hare.
• 1:07:59
  And you would think that they would be like, they would call
• 1:08:01
  up the precinct close to O'Hare and be like, hey, just so you
• 1:08:05
  know, we've got this. No, that didn't happen.
• 1:08:06
  No, they were just like, no, this is paperwork, but that.
• 1:08:09
  Yeah, they're like, that's not our jurisdiction.
• 1:08:12
  Sorry by nothing happened again. A town 3 miles away.
• 1:08:17
  We can't. We can't get involved with them.
• 1:08:20
  But it's just. That, that 9 year old boy, no
• 1:08:22
  closure on that because they were like, that's not our
• 1:08:25
  problem. Which is, it's fucking
• 1:08:27
  ridiculous. I'm like, I, I again, we said
• 1:08:29
  last week, it is still a case of that.
• 1:08:32
  I mean, not to the same extent now, but like in America, the
• 1:08:36
  way the, the precincts and departments and everything like
• 1:08:40
  that works. It is still just a very much
• 1:08:43
  like, not my monkeys, not my circus kind of issue.
• 1:08:47
  They'll just pawn off everything onto another department, which
• 1:08:51
  is fucking crazy because it's like, how do you have someone
• 1:08:53
  basically call in and be like, this man has killed a nine year
• 1:08:58
  old boy and then nothing happens because they're like, oh, it's
• 1:09:02
  yeah, I don't live there, it's not my problem.
• 1:09:04
  Like how does that my shift ends in 5 minutes?
• 1:09:06
  Fuck this. Basically, yeah.
• 1:09:09
  And it's like back at the queue, someone else will deal with
• 1:09:11
  that. And it's like. 3.
• 1:09:14
  So anyway, there were a couple of victims who were able to get
• 1:09:16
  away, or rather for some reason John had decided to let them
• 1:09:21
  live. In March of 1977, a 27 year old
• 1:09:25
  named Jeff was lured into John's car where John chloroformed him
• 1:09:29
  and then brutally raped and beat him.
• 1:09:32
  Unfortunately, cops didn't take this case very seriously, so
• 1:09:36
  Jeff had made it his life mission to track down who this
• 1:09:39
  person was that attacked him because he had no memory of it
• 1:09:44
  at all. Basically he just was like, I
• 1:09:47
  don't know what this person looked like, anything.
• 1:09:49
  Like he knew the he knew the car at all, wasn't it that he did
• 1:09:52
  black car. Yeah, so he was basically
• 1:09:55
  searching the fucking city like a fucking vigilante, like, which
• 1:09:59
  was awesome for this entire time.
• 1:10:02
  And then he randomly like spots John's car and he's like, that's
• 1:10:08
  fucking him. He writes down the Ridge and
• 1:10:10
  then he goes to the police and gives him the number, which is
• 1:10:14
  badass, badass for Jeff. And one thing that I will say
• 1:10:19
  that I did really appreciate about this thing is that so we
• 1:10:24
  touched on it before is that like the whole police didn't
• 1:10:28
  want to touch a gay stuff. Jeff Foley was like, no, this
• 1:10:31
  man said that he would give me head and instead he chloroformed
• 1:10:35
  me and RIP me. Like he, he, he wasn't going to
• 1:10:38
  fucking sugarcoat anything. He was just like, yeah, I got
• 1:10:40
  into his car because that's what I was.
• 1:10:41
  That's what I was there to do the.
• 1:10:43
  Premise yeah. And then I was I was
• 1:10:46
  chloroformed and raped and like, the police were just like, no,
• 1:10:49
  thank you, no, thank you, please.
• 1:10:51
  And he was just like, no, like, I'm going to fucking find out
• 1:10:53
  who did this to me because the police sure as hell fucking
• 1:10:56
  weren't going to help Jeff. So Jeff was like, fine, I'll,
• 1:10:58
  I'll just do it. And so he takes the license
• 1:11:03
  plate. Jeff ends up finding a civil
• 1:11:05
  lawsuit against John and claims that John offered him head, but
• 1:11:08
  instead he used chloroform to knock him out.
• 1:11:10
  And when he woke up, he was handcuffed in John's house.
• 1:11:14
  And then John sexually attacked him before letting him go once
• 1:11:18
  again. The man's been getting far too
• 1:11:21
  many fucking chances. John was eventually charged with
• 1:11:25
  battery right? Which get this doesn't mean a
• 1:11:29
  fucking thing because he was only forced to pay $3000 and
• 1:11:33
  that was it. Nothing else, nothing else, just
• 1:11:35
  basically oh you raped this man and beat him $3000 please.
• 1:11:39
  Pay a fine, everyone moves on, Yeah.
• 1:11:42
  Which is. Again, it's it's because listen,
• 1:11:45
  this is 2 men. Yeah, this is gay stuff.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah. So if that was.
• 1:11:50
  The young woman? Different completely, I think.
• 1:11:52
  You know, if that was a woman, let's face it, there wouldn't
• 1:11:54
  have even been a fine. No, they're like, well, what did
• 1:11:56
  she say? But she she shouldn't have made
• 1:11:59
  with off like that. She.
• 1:11:59
  Should have. Been outside?
• 1:12:02
  And so then there was another victim, a 19 year old that John
• 1:12:06
  had kidnapped at gunpoint and forced to do sex acts on him.
• 1:12:11
  That's all I have on the notes. I don't know what sex acts, but
• 1:12:13
  I'm sure nobody gay stuff. When he when he was taken into
• 1:12:17
  custody, John admitted that he engaged with some sexual
• 1:12:20
  behaviours with this guy, kissing.
• 1:12:22
  And he admitted to the police, he admitted to the police that
• 1:12:26
  some of it was quote, brutal and intense, End Quote, but that it
• 1:12:30
  was consensual. In fact, he said that this kid
• 1:12:35
  was his consensual sex slave. Now the police, for some fucking
• 1:12:42
  stupid sick reason, believe John and the assistant State attorney
• 1:12:48
  decided to not prosecute. Now again they're just like sex
• 1:12:52
  slave. So I think that like, John knew
• 1:12:55
  that John Wayne Gacy knew that like if he said stuff like this,
• 1:12:58
  that the cops would just back off.
• 1:13:00
  So he was just like, it was like, it was, it was consensual
• 1:13:03
  gay sex. It was brutal and intense.
• 1:13:04
  You know, the, the, the hint that's like, you know, BDSM and
• 1:13:07
  there's, you know, like some kind of like, you know, taboo
• 1:13:09
  stuff as well as it being gay sex and it was consensual.
• 1:13:13
  And then to add in, it's like, oh, he's my sex slave.
• 1:13:15
  And you just know, it was a bunch of like, Chicago cops just
• 1:13:17
  going, oh, God. This God.
• 1:13:20
  God, yeah, I'm Irish. I don't need to hear that.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, the creepy crawlies over here.
• 1:13:24
  God damn. It I gotta go to church now?
• 1:13:27
  Fuck. But it's also the fact that,
• 1:13:29
  like, who would admit to that? So yeah, they did.
• 1:13:32
  Obviously they were, they were like, well, we have to believe
• 1:13:34
  this guy because who would admit that to this?
• 1:13:37
  But like, it was the lesser of two evils.
• 1:13:38
  Really. It's either I'm, I'm a sexual
• 1:13:41
  deviant who has a sex slave GIMP boy, or I'm a sexual deviant
• 1:13:46
  rapist. So like, yeah, it's a lesser of
• 1:13:48
  two evils. It's the same thing as, as we
• 1:13:51
  said last week, it's the Dahmer fucking effect where it's like
• 1:13:54
  basically like that kid was like, please fucking help me,
• 1:13:57
  this guy's trying to kill me. And then Dahmer is like, yeah,
• 1:14:00
  we're gay together and he's my boyfriend, and we just had a.
• 1:14:02
  Like to kiss. It's the whole.
• 1:14:03
  Thing. Yeah, and then the cops are like
• 1:14:06
  that. Not my job.
• 1:14:08
  Whatever it was. A little respect.
• 1:14:09
  If I if I stop listening, I won't be gay.
• 1:14:12
  Yeah, exactly. And it's like gay.
• 1:14:14
  No, no, no, no, no, no, like that's exactly.
• 1:14:17
  And it's just like this kid was clearly, and we'll do just eat
• 1:14:22
  in seven years. But like it was it was a whole
• 1:14:26
  thing of where this kid was like so on these these women who had
• 1:14:32
  run into him when he had left the house, like, I mean, grant,
• 1:14:34
  the fact that he was drugged, had a hole in his head and like
• 1:14:39
  was just fucking out of it was so coherent and able to tell
• 1:14:42
  them exactly what was happening. And then the fact that they
• 1:14:45
  didn't listen to these two women who were girlfriends.
• 1:14:47
  So they must have been truly gay.
• 1:14:49
  So the whole situation was very gay and the police were just
• 1:14:52
  like I'm. Surprised the cops didn't want
• 1:14:53
  to listen to them. I was like, wait a minute, your
• 1:14:56
  two girls were gay. Wait a minute.
• 1:14:58
  They might not have been sexy gay.
• 1:15:01
  Like it's that level of fucking of homophobia that they're like,
• 1:15:04
  Oh well, I can't, I can't get off to that.
• 1:15:07
  They're not very attractive. Am I allowed to say the word
• 1:15:10
  bull dyke as assist white man? Yeah, you get.
• 1:15:14
  To and I'm sure like as John was like saying all this stuff to
• 1:15:17
  the cops to make them feel uncomfortable.
• 1:15:18
  He was also dressed as a clown and they were just like, oh,
• 1:15:21
  this is way too much. This is no one can be angry at
• 1:15:26
  a. Clown, get the fuck out of here.
• 1:15:30
  This chicken he gave us is delicious.
• 1:15:34
  I got to go home and have sex with my fat wife.
• 1:15:36
  Leave me alone. Outside of John being a fucking
• 1:15:39
  absolute psycho, people saw him as a normal guy.
• 1:15:44
  He still was very active in the community.
• 1:15:47
  He was even appointed the director of acquisition for
• 1:15:50
  Chicago's annual Polish Constitution Day.
• 1:15:55
  God damn it, that's like, that's the most like fucking American
• 1:15:58
  immigrant. I know.
• 1:15:59
  Fucking thing. Ever.
• 1:16:01
  I don't even know what that means.
• 1:16:03
  I just, I just have it there for some reason.
• 1:16:06
  So with his position that he got, he was given the
• 1:16:08
  opportunity to take a footwork. This, this, this fucking annoys
• 1:16:12
  me. So he was given the he was given
• 1:16:16
  the opportunity to take a photo with the first lady.
• 1:16:18
  So at the time, it would have been Rosalind Carter, Jimmy
• 1:16:21
  Carter's wife, who elected the wrong Carter.
• 1:16:27
  How was he not vetted for this right?
• 1:16:30
  How was he not vetted? The Secret Service are very
• 1:16:33
  embarrassed by this. Yeah, because like, he had
• 1:16:35
  multiple convictions at this point.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Yeah, and this woman who is obviously surrounded by Secret
• 1:16:42
  Service agents, by people like who were who their job is to
• 1:16:45
  basically just lay down their life for this woman, for any
• 1:16:48
  remote threat I'm. Going to look up and see if that
• 1:16:50
  photo exists anywhere. Yeah, it's one thing I didn't do
• 1:16:54
  was actually look up to see that picture, but.
• 1:16:57
  Yeah, that's their whole fucking job.
• 1:16:59
  And like, do you think as well, when you're like they're going
• 1:17:01
  through everything like all of these, like, you know, all this
• 1:17:03
  person has an award for this, This person's the word for that.
• 1:17:06
  Like they get to meet the first thing, like, how were you?
• 1:17:08
  How was your first thing not to be to vet everybody?
• 1:17:10
  Like the my last job I used to work on like fucking broadband
• 1:17:14
  installations for maybe sometimes military sites.
• 1:17:17
  I had to be vetted for that to make sure I wasn't in the IRA.
• 1:17:21
  So I'm, I'm looking at a photo of him here and he looks, he
• 1:17:24
  looks like an NFL football coach and, and she, she looks, she
• 1:17:31
  looks like she is the vice principal of a high school.
• 1:17:35
  Love that. And and like it is just like,
• 1:17:38
  it's just such a weird moment in history, like Jesus Christ.
• 1:17:44
  God, and he's so proud, right? He's he looks so.
• 1:17:46
  You can see he's got a fresh haircut for this photo op like.
• 1:17:49
  He's just like me and the first lady, like fucking me and Jimmy
• 1:17:53
  Carter's wife, like just fucking wild.
• 1:17:57
  And I just don't understand. Like he's already, he's been in
• 1:18:00
  prison and he's in and able to fucking pull his questioning all
• 1:18:03
  the time. How was he allowed to stand next
• 1:18:06
  to the First Lady? It's just, it's just fantastic.
• 1:18:09
  Like I it's. Like it's it's it's like we're
• 1:18:12
  saying about the the cops like how they're inept because they
• 1:18:16
  don't do any inter kind of sports, you know, like they're
• 1:18:20
  they're not thoughtful, but like the Secret Service is actually
• 1:18:24
  it's it's not even federal. It's beyond it's like to.
• 1:18:27
  Find tippy top like. You have to know everything
• 1:18:31
  about everyone. Everything about everyone.
• 1:18:34
  If there's a remote threat, you have to know and you have to be
• 1:18:37
  aware. And the fact that you let a
• 1:18:38
  fucking serial killer stand next to and have a picture with the
• 1:18:44
  first fucking lady of United States, Insane.
• 1:18:49
  I mean, I say that like, I wouldn't like love the picture
• 1:18:52
  with Melania, but whatever. Yeah, it's just, it's fucking,
• 1:18:55
  it's just men. Don't allow here rape.
• 1:18:58
  And. Oh yeah, I see this picture here
• 1:19:01
  now the color the colorized version of it as well.
• 1:19:04
  It's a it's a great conversation for an audio medium, but for
• 1:19:08
  people listening, I would recommend just just Google John
• 1:19:12
  Wayne Gacy and Rosalind Carter. And it is like I am telling you,
• 1:19:16
  Alex, this man, this man looks like a football coach.
• 1:19:20
  It is. I want to print that out and
• 1:19:22
  then be like, oh, that's my grandparents.
• 1:19:24
  Just like printed out and like as an as an Irish person Have it
• 1:19:29
  next to your framed photo of John Paul the 2nd and J JFK.
• 1:19:33
  I like oh I'll see granddad and my.
• 1:19:35
  Grandmother. Oh yeah, Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  The Holy Trinity. Like this?
• 1:19:39
  Yeah. Isn't it insane?
• 1:19:41
  And he's so pleased to themselves as well.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah, he he got, he got to meet the first lady.
• 1:19:47
  I don't know why he wasn't vetted.
• 1:19:48
  But anyway, so by 1978, the crawl space where he was hiding
• 1:19:53
  these bodies was absolutely maxed out.
• 1:19:57
  He couldn't fit any more bodies under the house.
• 1:20:00
  So he was like, oh, I can put them in the attic.
• 1:20:03
  And then he realized that that wasn't an option because just
• 1:20:06
  you, as you said, bodies. Leak.
• 1:20:09
  They were going to decompose and it would have come through the
• 1:20:11
  ceilings and it would just be a huge fucking mess.
• 1:20:14
  So John decided it would be best if he stopped using his house as
• 1:20:19
  a graveyard and instead he started to throw them into the
• 1:20:22
  local river. The.
• 1:20:24
  So like he had like at this point, like we will get into the
• 1:20:26
  numbers very shortly, but like when we reveal like the I'm sure
• 1:20:32
  people are familiar with his body camp, but like when you
• 1:20:34
  like realize just how many bodies under his fucking house,
• 1:20:40
  it is absolutely phenomenal that like how are his neighbors are
• 1:20:45
  calling up going? You need to go over to that
• 1:20:47
  fucker's house and you you need to.
• 1:20:49
  There was nothing like if my like I have a neighbor who is a
• 1:20:52
  drunk and he will regularly drink, drive home and then climb
• 1:20:57
  over his own back gate and he wakes me up and he disturbs me
• 1:21:01
  and I am like. Does he live on his own?
• 1:21:04
  He lives with his family and they they fight and argue a lot.
• 1:21:07
  But like he, he like came home last night like 2:00 AM and like
• 1:21:11
  fell over his, his own back gate and I was ready to like murder
• 1:21:16
  him. And I'm just like, how would how
• 1:21:18
  would the neighbors not be like, yeah, that fucker is up to
• 1:21:21
  absolutely nothing good and. So here's a kind of similar
• 1:21:29
  story that gets a little bit darker, but well, I used to live
• 1:21:32
  in with my brother. I used to rent A room of him not
• 1:21:38
  too far away from where I'm living now.
• 1:21:39
  We had same kind of thing. Foreign national guys were all
• 1:21:44
  living in the house. Like, thought there was a bunch
• 1:21:46
  of them, you know, the way like these guys, none of them spoke
• 1:21:50
  much English, and they were all pretty much just vodka holics
• 1:21:54
  like, oh, yeah. And so you'd see, you'd see the
• 1:21:57
  guys, they'd come home and they'd be legless walking home.
• 1:22:01
  They'd fall over the, the garden wall every now and again.
• 1:22:04
  Like you would walk out there and you kind of see a half
• 1:22:06
  bottle of vodka in the garden opened like where they would
• 1:22:10
  have fallen getting home. There was a couple of instances
• 1:22:15
  where the the woman who owned the house, she wasn't living in
• 1:22:19
  it, but like she got us to go in next door, someone that she
• 1:22:23
  kicked out of the house had locked the bedroom door or
• 1:22:25
  whatever like and got at one stage I had to kick in the
• 1:22:29
  bedroom door. You've lived.
• 1:22:32
  Lives. I know it's weird, isn't it?
• 1:22:34
  Hey, this this story doesn't get any better, Danny.
• 1:22:37
  So during lockdown, while I was doing some fun recording with my
• 1:22:43
  friends over Zoom and we used to do a like a weekly meetups where
• 1:22:47
  we all do like a quiz. And it was actually the week of
• 1:22:51
  my yeah, so it was the week of my quiz.
• 1:22:54
  I had a great and I had a great one of the rounds of my quiz.
• 1:22:58
  This is a total size tangent but I was very proud of.
• 1:23:00
  It was the general knowledge quiz and it was 2010 questions
• 1:23:04
  about famous generals and everyone got very angry with me
• 1:23:07
  because none of them had any knowledge.
• 1:23:10
  But anyways, while this is happening, an ambulance showed
• 1:23:13
  up. Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah, and it turns out that when they went in, one of the guys
• 1:23:22
  had died in the house. And give it to me, yes.
• 1:23:28
  They were, they were, they were dead for a number of like I, I,
• 1:23:35
  I would say in the weeks rather than days.
• 1:23:38
  Ah, like. It could be.
• 1:23:40
  Odd. That's and.
• 1:23:41
  Yields. Yeah, So what I didn't get it
• 1:23:44
  from like we were next door, but I, I wasn't getting any smell
• 1:23:47
  from the house or anything like that.
• 1:23:49
  But in the coming days after this guy, he was carried because
• 1:23:51
  I was like on Zoom. I was like, guys, I think
• 1:23:54
  someone might be a little bit sick here.
• 1:23:56
  And then they literally brought a body bag and there was guys in
• 1:24:00
  like in, in like hazmat suits, but like, yeah, yeah, close
• 1:24:05
  enough, like. And for the next few days,
• 1:24:08
  you've seen that every window in that house was just opened up.
• 1:24:12
  And so the guys that put the other guys were obviously living
• 1:24:16
  in the house while this guy was in his room just decomposing.
• 1:24:20
  And how do you not? Notice that?
• 1:24:22
  How do you let someone rock? But at one stage the mattress
• 1:24:27
  was lying in the garden. No, and for a couple of days.
• 1:24:32
  Yes, and there was a large dodgy brown stain.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah, on the. Mattress and I'm not like.
• 1:24:41
  I'm not sure whether this was a stain that happened while living
• 1:24:45
  but it looked way too big so I'm just like I think this was like
• 1:24:50
  this poor fucker was like after actually like starting to
• 1:24:53
  decompose. And he was just leaking, had
• 1:24:55
  fluids onto the yes, Oh yes stock.
• 1:24:58
  So like I can only imagine what like the house John Wayne Gacy
• 1:25:03
  was was dealing with was like when we.
• 1:25:05
  Talk about fucking House of Horror.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, like a couple of dozen people like is is going to be
• 1:25:11
  worse than that one guy A. Couple of dozen like I yeah,
• 1:25:14
  yeah, like 1 is bad. A.
• 1:25:17
  Couple like. Dozen. 2 Baker, Dozens of
• 1:25:19
  people. Yeah. 2 Baker, dozens of people.
• 1:25:22
  There's a one. So that happened.
• 1:25:24
  And there's like, so obviously I live in a high rise apartment
• 1:25:28
  building and there's a bunch of them in Cardiff.
• 1:25:31
  And there there's one that's like not too far from me where
• 1:25:36
  during summer, like the dead of summer when we had the heat
• 1:25:38
  waves and there was people complaining about a smell from a
• 1:25:43
  specific apartment. And this, this, this kid, he was
• 1:25:46
  like 20, had killed himself in the apartment and just rotted
• 1:25:51
  into the floor. Jesus Christ.
• 1:25:54
  And they like the only the only reason that they had checked.
• 1:25:59
  He didn't have any family or anything like that.
• 1:26:01
  I don't I don't actually think he was from Cardiff or Wales or
• 1:26:04
  anything. I think he was he was he was
• 1:26:06
  somewhere else. But the only reason that the
• 1:26:09
  apartment was checked was because people started to
• 1:26:12
  complain about the smell and it was the so the way the vents of
• 1:26:19
  Shane do you might know more about this is in those big, big
• 1:26:23
  buildings where it's like people thought it was the bin room
• 1:26:26
  because. It's all interconnected, yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Yeah, and they're like, oh, like, jeez, like something's
• 1:26:31
  fucking bad in here. But it just, it, this smell just
• 1:26:33
  never went away. And then it was determined that
• 1:26:35
  it was in the dead of heat, in a heat wave.
• 1:26:37
  The, the poor kid had been dead for about, I think 11 days
• 1:26:41
  before they actually found him. And he, yeah, he had died.
• 1:26:47
  And whatever, whatever he had done, whatever had happened, he
• 1:26:50
  was slumped against the front. Door.
• 1:26:55
  So that's how the smell was so strong in the hallway.
• 1:26:57
  But like it just, it's fucking crazy.
• 1:27:00
  Like that kind of shit. So it's like if you can smell
• 1:27:02
  it, so that that's so that kid had been dead for like 10 days,
• 1:27:05
  right? How are you his next door
• 1:27:08
  neighbor? This man's next door neighbor or
• 1:27:10
  how are you? Doing hey, it happens to the
• 1:27:11
  best of us it. Happens to the best I.
• 1:27:14
  Know that, I know that, but like, how are you just not?
• 1:27:19
  I mean, I guess like people don't smell, I guess like the
• 1:27:22
  smell of death is not something people are fucking.
• 1:27:25
  Used. No, but the smell of that is
• 1:27:26
  also something that is so incredibly distinct that even if
• 1:27:30
  you haven't smelled it before, when you smell it, there's like
• 1:27:33
  power to your brain that just goes, oh, that's that's not
• 1:27:36
  good. That's nothing good.
• 1:27:38
  Like it almost sets off your fight or flight.
• 1:27:40
  Like it's really fucked up. And like I listen to so much I
• 1:27:45
  true crime and I watch all this fucking creepy shit that like
• 1:27:48
  when I leave my apartment, my nice incensee smelling fucking
• 1:27:52
  apartment and it's all. Early just smells like pussy and
• 1:27:57
  wine. I was going to say, it probably
• 1:27:59
  smells like, you know, microwave chicken kievs.
• 1:28:02
  It actually smells like Dragon's blood incense, thank you very
• 1:28:05
  much. But I bought it in bulk on
• 1:28:07
  Amazon and that's tiger blood. It's all the fucking same.
• 1:28:12
  No, it isn't. Dragon's blood is nice.
• 1:28:14
  It's a plant. Racist.
• 1:28:15
  It's. Not the same.
• 1:28:15
  It's just the smell of aids really.
• 1:28:17
  Basically, it smells nice. It smells like girl things,
• 1:28:21
  right? So it's when I leave my
• 1:28:24
  apartment and I get a fucking hit or something in the hallway.
• 1:28:26
  It's always because I've got someone like a neighbour's
• 1:28:29
  cooking something dodgy. Some.
• 1:28:30
  Smelly. Boy.
• 1:28:32
  Yeah, your neighbors, your neighbors are cooking something
• 1:28:34
  dodgy. You're squatting your moon juice
• 1:28:37
  over fucking jazz in your apartment.
• 1:28:40
  So don't start fucking telling me that oh fucking poor old
• 1:28:43
  fucking Tariq that when the fucking rolls here.
• 1:28:46
  He's cooking a delicious. Korma.
• 1:28:50
  He is seasoning. I can't believe that how how
• 1:28:53
  dare they make ethnic food. Well I'm over here trying to get
• 1:28:57
  my fucking period of blood into. A jar.
• 1:28:59
  Just such a Dublin thing to say. Just racism.
• 1:29:04
  I'm from West. She is a typical dope, really.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah, but 100% she's a typical. Dope, I'm from Wexford.
• 1:29:10
  All right. Anyway, right.
• 1:29:12
  Moving on. Starting jacking.
• 1:29:14
  On So So So so. John Wayne Casey was from
• 1:29:18
  Wexford so on December 11th, 1978 there was a 15 year old
• 1:29:27
  high school student named Robert.
• 1:29:29
  So this is where it all comes crashing down for our boy John
• 1:29:33
  and he was finishing finishing his shift at the local pharmacy.
• 1:29:39
  His. Mother, this is this is so.
• 1:29:41
  Stupid. So I.
• 1:29:42
  Hate this because like let's go from OK, I'm picking up a
• 1:29:47
  drifter who no one's going to miss.
• 1:29:50
  I'm sorry you're going to do the story now with this one is like
• 1:29:52
  so blame. He's dumb.
• 1:29:54
  He's dumb. So he's so like just
• 1:29:56
  overconfident. I think he's at a point now
• 1:29:59
  where he either thinks he's ininitable or he wants to get
• 1:30:03
  caught. It's one of the two.
• 1:30:05
  It's a good point, yeah. So this kid named Robert, he was
• 1:30:10
  finishing his shift at the local pharmacy.
• 1:30:12
  His mother comes to pick him up. It's actually her birthday and
• 1:30:19
  they have plans to celebrate with the whole family.
• 1:30:22
  So Robert runs out to the car. He's like cashing up.
• 1:30:25
  He's doing, I guess, whatever he needs to do and, and closing up
• 1:30:28
  the pharmacy. And he's like, oh, hey, can you
• 1:30:31
  wait a few minutes? There's this guy who offered me
• 1:30:34
  a construction, construction, construction job.
• 1:30:38
  And it would be basically double what he was making in the
• 1:30:42
  pharmacy. So the mom was like, yeah, sure,
• 1:30:44
  that's fine. I'll wait here.
• 1:30:46
  You can go back in and talk to this guy.
• 1:30:49
  So this mom has just sat here just waiting for her son to like
• 1:30:52
  cash up, chat to this guy, see what's going on.
• 1:30:56
  And. Her son just doesn't come back,
• 1:30:59
  so she gets like a little bit nervous.
• 1:31:01
  She kind of looks around for him.
• 1:31:03
  She's not seeing him. And so this is where I kind of
• 1:31:08
  get a bit pissed off. So she doesn't.
• 1:31:10
  She doesn't go into the pharmacy to be like, hey, she just drives
• 1:31:14
  off. She just goes home.
• 1:31:16
  That's just insane. It's, it's fucking ridiculous.
• 1:31:20
  And this is where I kind of, I'm like, are you fucking joking me?
• 1:31:23
  Like so she goes home, she talks to the husband and she's like oh
• 1:31:27
  hey like Robert was there like 1 minute and then he is just gone
• 1:31:30
  and he was just talking to this man and and then he just didn't
• 1:31:33
  come back like you dumb bitch. A little bit later then the mom,
• 1:31:37
  the dad, the two siblings and the two dogs all get in the car
• 1:31:42
  and go back looking because you know that this dumb bitch went
• 1:31:44
  home and told her husband and her husband was like and you
• 1:31:47
  fucking drove off. Like you know that that's what
• 1:31:51
  happened. And like he was just like
• 1:31:53
  absolutely fucking not. So they drove back to this
• 1:31:56
  pharmacy and he's not there. And then they go home and then
• 1:32:02
  they decide to go to the police, which is so fucking stupid, but
• 1:32:06
  I think it. Because like, it also just
• 1:32:08
  speaks for like a more innocent time because like, you know, she
• 1:32:10
  was like, OK, he was talking to a guy about a job.
• 1:32:13
  It seemed like a good lead, like maybe he's gone somewhere with
• 1:32:15
  that guy. Like, you know, for this job.
• 1:32:17
  And it's just like it does just speak to a much more innocent
• 1:32:20
  time. And like, it's yeah, you can say
• 1:32:22
  it's dumb, but like it is also just like a more trusting time,
• 1:32:26
  you know, like there's. But it's also her birthday
• 1:32:28
  dinner. And they had plans and they were
• 1:32:31
  going to go out and that was the whole thing she was picking up
• 1:32:34
  and then they were going out and then he didn't come back, even
• 1:32:38
  though he knew they were going out for dinner.
• 1:32:39
  And she's like, I'll. Just go home.
• 1:32:41
  And it's. Like do you think they were
• 1:32:42
  going to AKFC? Probably and then to buy some
• 1:32:47
  shoes 1st and then do AKFC. I can go with the.
• 1:32:50
  KFC for my birthday, I don't care.
• 1:32:52
  Me too. I love KFC popcorn chicken.
• 1:32:54
  Hell yeah. I thought there was going to be
• 1:32:56
  pushback there. I'm so glad we're all yeah.
• 1:32:58
  We're all pigs. We're all pigs.
• 1:33:15
  And but yeah, that that's what got me because it's just like,
• 1:33:17
  why are you like he's like, I'm going to go back inside to talk
• 1:33:20
  to a strange man. How are you as a mother being
• 1:33:23
  like, OK, sweetie, I'll be right here.
• 1:33:24
  Like maybe you would be at first, but then also why go home
• 1:33:29
  first? Why are you wasting that time?
• 1:33:31
  Because, right, this is also, you have to, you have to realize
• 1:33:34
  this is also America, and close in America is 1/2 hour drive.
• 1:33:40
  Yeah. So it's like by the time you
• 1:33:42
  fucking drive along, you're going through however many
• 1:33:44
  fucking exits to get to your fucking house.
• 1:33:47
  And then you're just like, oh, by the way, sweetie, I waited
• 1:33:50
  for Robert in the car park and he never came out.
• 1:33:53
  Should we go to dinner? I'm sure the husband's just
• 1:33:55
  like. OK, but we're in the world now.
• 1:33:58
  You have to remember it's the it's it's late 70s.
• 1:34:01
  There's no cellular telephones. There's like.
• 1:34:05
  It's still retardation. I get no, I get like I owner, I
• 1:34:08
  understand this as well, like the instinct to decide to go
• 1:34:11
  home, but like she's she's got a family meal that's happening.
• 1:34:17
  She can't. Really, it's my birthday, I have
• 1:34:20
  no time for this. I wonder like would like would
• 1:34:24
  she? I don't know if there's a
• 1:34:26
  telephone at home or what is going on there, but like what
• 1:34:28
  you just go into the pharmacies. Can I use this telephone?
• 1:34:31
  Can I want to ring my husband Like what like is but she.
• 1:34:34
  Went home to her husband. And that's what I'm saying like.
• 1:34:37
  She was obviously picking him, picking her kid up and then they
• 1:34:41
  were going home and then going to the restaurant.
• 1:34:45
  I know what Danny, I'm just, I'm just being devil's advocate here
• 1:34:47
  where I'm saying, OK, they've got like a reservation here.
• 1:34:51
  The kids gone fucking off to follow this lead of a job.
• 1:34:55
  She now has to tell her husband that OK, like if I hang around
• 1:35:00
  here any longer we're going to be late for our dinner so I've
• 1:35:02
  got to go back tell my husband what's going on.
• 1:35:04
  I can't just send them a text message and say listen, fucking
• 1:35:07
  and Johnny's after fucking going to get railed by a fucking big
• 1:35:11
  gay clown A. Big fat clown.
• 1:35:14
  Yeah. So it's it's kind of like I'm
• 1:35:16
  just playing devil's advocate for this woman here now, like
• 1:35:18
  where I'm saying like she she kind of did what you would do in
• 1:35:23
  the 70s. And that's, yeah, I think that's
• 1:35:25
  fair. The person that you have to
• 1:35:26
  relay the information. I think that's fair.
• 1:35:29
  You explain that to me and now I I do agree now that you've said.
• 1:35:32
  It that way, yes, so that so take back all your dumb bitch
• 1:35:35
  talk, huh? I do, I do, I take back my dumb
• 1:35:38
  bitch talk that makes a lot of. Sense just hating on women, I'm
• 1:35:40
  sorry. Yeah, hates women.
• 1:35:42
  She hates women. Hates.
• 1:35:44
  She puts the miss. In misogyny.
• 1:35:49
  So this case hit close to a new police Lieutenant, you know,
• 1:35:54
  sexy Lieutenant that was working there that night because his.
• 1:35:58
  Joe, was it? Also, is that his name?
• 1:36:00
  I didn't get his name. I think yeah, it's it's Joel
• 1:36:03
  something that Joel. Joe.
• 1:36:06
  Montana something something. It's more, it's more of a, it's
• 1:36:08
  more of a Polsky ish kind of a name, I think.
• 1:36:11
  Well, like in Chicago. Chicago there would have been
• 1:36:13
  like a lot of like Eastern European descendants, people
• 1:36:17
  especially going into like white collar jobs like.
• 1:36:20
  The and Gacy was Polish anyway. That's why he was the head of
• 1:36:23
  the Polish parade. That's why you.
• 1:36:25
  Don't trust those polskies. So this Lieutenant, basically,
• 1:36:30
  he was working there that night, and because his son was also
• 1:36:34
  attending the same high school as Robert, he kind of felt like
• 1:36:38
  a bit like, I guess, responsible for the whole thing.
• 1:36:42
  And he really just had a personal connection to the case.
• 1:36:46
  And so he insists on taking it on himself.
• 1:36:51
  This guy is the first, he's the first cop in this whole fucking
• 1:36:55
  saga to be a cop, to want, yeah, to like he wants to do with his
• 1:36:59
  job. Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  And yeah, this this guy is a boss man, by the way, like I,
• 1:37:04
  I'm a big. Big goal.
• 1:37:06
  For for Joel Juliovsky. I am I am going to say his name
• 1:37:09
  wrong here, but it is Joseph Cousinsack.
• 1:37:13
  Yes, Cousins. Yeah, Cousins.
• 1:37:15
  But like basically that that. Has his his.
• 1:37:18
  His whole thing is that like he wasn't just gonna write down all
• 1:37:22
  this kids missing, he was gonna fucking do something about it.
• 1:37:25
  He don't even the Lieutenant as well for about 6 months.
• 1:37:28
  So a lot of people are kinda like, oh, he just wants to prove
• 1:37:30
  something, but like, no, he was just doing.
• 1:37:32
  It I love that the cops are just like, look at this guy trying to
• 1:37:34
  fucking name make a name for himself trying to solve a crime.
• 1:37:37
  Yeah. Trying to work his way up the
• 1:37:41
  ladder by working his way up the ladder.
• 1:37:44
  Look at this. Guy trying to fix murder in this
• 1:37:47
  city. Exactly.
• 1:37:49
  Piece of shit. That's like a genuinely a very
• 1:37:54
  real fucking thing. It's just like, oh, this guy
• 1:37:56
  wants to help loser. Like what?
• 1:37:59
  Murder. Today, a real rain is going to
• 1:38:03
  come. Was the best.
• 1:38:05
  Guy a real rain is going to come a washing.
• 1:38:06
  Good. Pops out of the fucking it's.
• 1:38:10
  Legit, it's fucking crazy, but he was he was basically he was
• 1:38:15
  determined to fucking to to basically get to the bottom to
• 1:38:18
  see what the fuck is also. Like so like this guy gets like
• 1:38:21
  so much credit and applauded to this guy for like doing his
• 1:38:24
  fucking job. But like at the same time it's
• 1:38:27
  like it's framed as like he was affected by this because he knew
• 1:38:30
  a kid. And it's like when like, men are
• 1:38:32
  like, I don't like sexism because I know a woman.
• 1:38:37
  I know, woman. Yeah, like.
• 1:38:38
  A duck man, like were you born yesterday?
• 1:38:42
  Legit like so the Lieutenant calls John and he leaves a
• 1:38:48
  message asking him to come to the station for questioning.
• 1:38:50
  So basically, I should probably reiterate John is in and out of
• 1:38:55
  the police station all of the fucking time for something,
• 1:38:59
  something or other. And again, because he is a big
• 1:39:04
  homo, they're like no homo, so they don't press anything.
• 1:39:07
  But they're all very aware. And we will.
• 1:39:10
  We will get back to that. They have started sniffing at
• 1:39:13
  this point around him. They don't they don't look past
• 1:39:17
  much surface. They don't have like ever did.
• 1:39:19
  What they kind of do to people is when people come with this
• 1:39:22
  information, they go but haven't got any evidence.
• 1:39:24
  And the people say, yeah, but isn't that your job?
• 1:39:27
  And then they go, yeah, get out of here.
• 1:39:29
  They're like you'd detected work.
• 1:39:30
  And get the fuck out of here. Yeah, basically.
• 1:39:34
  So this guy, this this new guy asked him, Joseph asked him to
• 1:39:38
  come to the station for questioning.
• 1:39:41
  And at 11:00 PM on December 12th, John calls up the
• 1:39:45
  Lieutenant and he's like, hey, do you still want to talk to me?
• 1:39:48
  And he's just like, yeah, can you get here today or how long
• 1:39:52
  is it going to take you? Fucking love this like he was so
• 1:39:55
  either so stupid or so like arrogant at this point where
• 1:39:58
  like he calls the cop back is like hey don't want to talk to
• 1:40:02
  me like what the. Fuck.
• 1:40:04
  Oh, she, I didn't put it in the notes, but I will go into this
• 1:40:07
  now how how this plays out. So Lieutenant, he's like, yeah,
• 1:40:12
  like fucking obviously. Can you get here today?
• 1:40:14
  And John say, yeah, sure, I'll be there in half an hour.
• 1:40:17
  So this is not 11:00 PM, right? He's like, I'll be there in half
• 1:40:19
  an hour. Should have been there by 11:30.
• 1:40:22
  Comes to 1:00 AM, right? No John, nothing.
• 1:40:26
  No John. Turns out he's super busy at
• 1:40:29
  this time because when John had called up Lieutenant, he was in
• 1:40:33
  the middle of something. He was in the middle of taking
• 1:40:35
  Roberts body and trying to get rid of it.
• 1:40:38
  And he ends up loading his body into the trunk of his car and
• 1:40:43
  driving it to the dump, driving it to dump the body in the
• 1:40:48
  fucking river like you can. Just imagine him like in his
• 1:40:51
  house with like a body over his shoulder and like you know the
• 1:40:55
  the like fucking 10 foot long like coiled cord to his phone.
• 1:40:59
  And he's just like. Yeah.
• 1:41:00
  Oh yeah, Lieutenant, I hear you're still looking for me. 20
• 1:41:03
  minutes. 20 minutes, yeah. And.
• 1:41:06
  Standing there like covered in blood.
• 1:41:08
  So John dumps the body and then he's now driving to go talk to
• 1:41:12
  the tenant. Gets there at 3:00 AM covered in
• 1:41:16
  mud, right? So he goes in, right?
• 1:41:18
  So he does this, he's covered in mud.
• 1:41:21
  He drives in and out of fucking ditches, bogs, anything that he
• 1:41:25
  can do to wreck his car, to destroy it.
• 1:41:29
  Because he's going to say, I got here at 3:00 AM because I
• 1:41:32
  crashed my car and I had to be pulled out of a ditch and that's
• 1:41:37
  why I'm so late. Not the fact that he was.
• 1:41:41
  Yeah, not the fact that he was out here trying to fucking jump
• 1:41:46
  a body, which wouldn't have taken them that long, but like,
• 1:41:48
  be realistic. To this point, the cops have
• 1:41:50
  been so stupid about everything else that I'm sure he was just
• 1:41:52
  like, I was just gay. I'll just wreck my car and
• 1:41:54
  they'll believe it. He's like, yeah, I, I, I went to
• 1:41:57
  the gay destruction Derby and, and my car is, my car is
• 1:42:01
  wrecked. And the cause was like, gay
• 1:42:03
  destruction Derby. Get the fuck out of here.
• 1:42:06
  Yeah, I want to hear. So what are you doing today?
• 1:42:10
  It's actually gay guys bad poop. It's gay poop.
• 1:42:13
  Gay boat. It's actually feces.
• 1:42:16
  Do you still want to talk to me? Two.
• 1:42:20
  Cops to like your desk, cops in the back or just take out their
• 1:42:22
  guns and kill themselves just from hearing hearing that gay.
• 1:42:25
  Sex. It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and
• 1:42:32
  Steve. What is wrong with you?
• 1:42:34
  But basically, so he goes back at like 3:00 AM, right?
• 1:42:39
  And he's like, oh, the Lieutenant wanted to talk to me.
• 1:42:41
  And then the guy behind the desk is, like, 3:00 AM.
• 1:42:44
  Why don't you come back later? So he just gets away with it.
• 1:42:49
  He just stages this whole thing. He just makes himself look
• 1:42:51
  fucking filthy. Like, I'm so sorry.
• 1:42:53
  My car has been towed. That's why it took so long to
• 1:42:55
  get here. Like, my fucking like, he's just
• 1:42:58
  basically just hammered up this story.
• 1:43:00
  And then the guys just like, yeah, come back later thinking,
• 1:43:03
  like, art, they've seen me. My car is wrecked.
• 1:43:06
  I'm covered in mud. They'll know that I wasn't.
• 1:43:09
  There. X amount of hours.
• 1:43:11
  Yeah, for like a certain fucking reason.
• 1:43:14
  I'm fine. I'm in the clear.
• 1:43:16
  So you would think, right, He's like told to come back tomorrow.
• 1:43:20
  You would think he would just run for it, right?
• 1:43:22
  He's at the point now where he could probably just fucking
• 1:43:25
  fail. He.
• 1:43:26
  Goes back up standing fucking citizen that John Wayne Gacy is.
• 1:43:32
  He goes back to his questioning and it's it's it does.
• 1:43:39
  It fucking baffles me. So.
• 1:43:43
  I don't know. I'm actually just kind of
• 1:43:44
  shocked, no? But it is, it's like, I think, I
• 1:43:47
  think there's just like a level of like I've gotten away with so
• 1:43:50
  much. I've killed so many that like,
• 1:43:53
  I'm going to go in and talk to him.
• 1:43:55
  I will be able to talk my way out is, oh, look, I was in a car
• 1:43:57
  wreck and I'm showing them that I am a good citizen.
• 1:44:01
  I'm coming in. I've I've suggested that I come
• 1:44:03
  in to speak to him. I've spoken to so many cops
• 1:44:06
  before this Lieutenant. I know how to deal with these
• 1:44:10
  people like. He truly believed that he could
• 1:44:14
  book in. They had them around his little
• 1:44:15
  finger. Share him his.
• 1:44:16
  Way up until this guy, he did. He was working, yes, he.
• 1:44:21
  Did He absolutely did. So John, basically, he goes back
• 1:44:28
  in and then the Lieutenant is like, Nah, fuck this.
• 1:44:30
  I know that you're holding this kid hostage in your house.
• 1:44:33
  Like I fucking know it. So he straight up just asked
• 1:44:38
  John, all right, give me the keys to your house, and I'll
• 1:44:41
  search your house. And then if you've got nothing
• 1:44:43
  to hide, then this is all over. And John's like, OK, Like, he's
• 1:44:48
  obviously hesitant to do it for obvious fucking reasons because
• 1:44:51
  his house is degraded. Still agrees to do it.
• 1:44:56
  Yeah. I don't understand.
• 1:44:57
  So basically he stays then in custody while police are
• 1:45:02
  searching his house. So at first, they don't actually
• 1:45:05
  find much. And by not finding much, I kind
• 1:45:10
  of mean that they don't really find any evidence of what might
• 1:45:14
  have happened to Robert, but they do find plenty of gay porn
• 1:45:20
  needles, a starter pistol, rope, and an 18 inch dildo and
• 1:45:26
  handcuffs. Right now.
• 1:45:28
  I just wanted to to jump in here.
• 1:45:31
  You're going to say it about the 18 inches, aren't you?
• 1:45:33
  Yeah. How does that work?
• 1:45:35
  How does that work on anything? I know why does he why does he
• 1:45:38
  want like 6 penis worth of dildo?
• 1:45:41
  That's exactly. It when a when a man loves
• 1:45:45
  another man. But 18 inches is.
• 1:45:50
  Just the bees and the bees. Wild they are.
• 1:45:53
  I I don't know exactly to. Do gay butts. 18 inches.
• 1:45:56
  It's gay butts. No, I know that.
• 1:45:59
  But even if you are getting it for like, it's just for a show,
• 1:46:04
  isn't it because you're not getting all 18 inches into
• 1:46:07
  anyone? I don't know.
• 1:46:07
  Have you seen the size of John Wayne?
• 1:46:09
  Never. Been sent a video?
• 1:46:10
  You've never been sent a video in your life, Danny.
• 1:46:13
  Yeah. Do you not remember rotten.com
• 1:46:15
  and steakandcheese.com? Stop.
• 1:46:18
  No, I don't and I haven't. All right.
• 1:46:21
  OK, Anyway. Giant rubber fist.
• 1:46:23
  I've seen war crimes, I'm just saying.
• 1:46:25
  I've seen a woman slide down a traffic con in ways that you
• 1:46:28
  can't imagine, Danny. Are both of you done?
• 1:46:33
  OK. Thank you.
• 1:46:35
  And. I.
• 1:46:36
  Can't just type it in here, Rotten.
• 1:46:39
  Anyway, they found all this stuff.
• 1:46:41
  Which party basically, but none of this is illegal to own.
• 1:46:47
  But the Lieutenant is like kind of frustrated because he's like,
• 1:46:50
  well, who the fuck owns this if they're not weird basically.
• 1:46:54
  So he was just like, I know this guy is rotten.
• 1:46:57
  I think obviously like there's. He's got a dildo he's up to,
• 1:47:00
  he's up to more shares. Yeah, like there's, there's no
• 1:47:05
  fucking like obvious thing, but they keep looking around and
• 1:47:09
  then they come across a receipt. And on the receipt they find a
• 1:47:13
  charge for film that was being developed at the pharmacy where,
• 1:47:17
  Robert, you know, back in the day where you had to hand your
• 1:47:22
  your film in to be developed for photos and stuff.
• 1:47:25
  And this seems to be enough evidence to convince the cops
• 1:47:28
  that they need to search John's car, van and pickup truck,
• 1:47:33
  hoping that one of the roles at least has some kind of clue in
• 1:47:35
  it. So they have the car searched
• 1:47:40
  and then they find some fibers that could possibly be something
• 1:47:44
  which is very specific, but it's not super conclusive.
• 1:47:50
  They also have a dog come, you know, one of those sniffer
• 1:47:52
  dudes. This is so cool as well.
• 1:47:54
  I just have to, I'll go off on a little bit of a thing about
• 1:47:57
  this. But like this dog they brought
• 1:48:00
  in, basically it's like you smell this person that we're
• 1:48:03
  looking for or you smell death. And they're so well trained that
• 1:48:06
  one they smell. They just lay down.
• 1:48:08
  They're just like, yeah, it's not one of them.
• 1:48:11
  He did they. Say he's done the death signal.
• 1:48:15
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:48:17
  So he hopped into the passenger seat of John's car and then
• 1:48:21
  immediately laid down so. You people have done that.
• 1:48:25
  That was. That's fucking.
• 1:48:30
  So yeah, basically it was believed that Robert's body had
• 1:48:36
  probably been there at some point.
• 1:48:38
  But then again, this information doesn't mean anything.
• 1:48:42
  A dog laying down is not enough to kind of like convict you of.
• 1:48:46
  Anything. Yeah, so police then had taken
• 1:48:50
  some stuff from John's house, but nothing that they had
• 1:48:53
  confiscated would connect John to Roberts disappearance.
• 1:48:57
  So at 11:00 PM that same night, John was released from.
• 1:49:01
  This is the thing that fucking gets me here, right, is they
• 1:49:04
  they got the dog in the car and the dog was just like, there's a
• 1:49:07
  fucking dead body in here, guys. And at no point did the cops be
• 1:49:10
  like, get the dog in the house, the dog in the fucking house,
• 1:49:14
  because you know that. That's a good point.
• 1:49:16
  Like, like if I thought he was a cop, I'd be like, OK.
• 1:49:18
  Where was he murdered? Yeah, it's like, OK, we are
• 1:49:21
  suspicious of this guy. We've searched his house.
• 1:49:23
  It's really suspicious. The dog said there was a dead
• 1:49:25
  body in the fucking car. Let's get the dog.
• 1:49:27
  And the dog picks up. Dead.
• 1:49:29
  It's like, let's get the dog into the fucking.
• 1:49:30
  The dog would have gone into the house.
• 1:49:32
  That would explored. He would have had a fucking
• 1:49:34
  seizure. Like.
• 1:49:36
  The dog would have just stood there, really like just shaking
• 1:49:39
  and collapsing and frosting. Springer Spaniel just falling on
• 1:49:42
  his back was like took the. Walkie-talkie off his collar and
• 1:49:44
  called for backup. More dogs.
• 1:49:51
  More. Dogs and.
• 1:49:54
  But yeah, anyway, so. One day later, on December 15th,
• 1:49:59
  one of the items the police seized during the.
• 1:50:01
  Search of. John Wayne Gacy's home comes
• 1:50:05
  back with a positive ID, but it's not a positive ID to
• 1:50:09
  Robert. It belongs to another high
• 1:50:11
  school kid. It was his class ring and this
• 1:50:15
  kid had been missing for two years.
• 1:50:18
  So why the fuck does John have this missing kids class ring
• 1:50:22
  when John's employees were questioned because he killed
• 1:50:25
  them? Danny.
• 1:50:25
  Spoiler alert, we can just end the episode here.
• 1:50:27
  He killed a bunch of guys. When John's.
• 1:50:31
  John's employees were questioned.
• 1:50:33
  One of them tells the. Police that several.
• 1:50:35
  Former employees had just disappeared And like, that's,
• 1:50:38
  that's what I was talking about earlier.
• 1:50:39
  But like process killers having like, you know, they have the
• 1:50:43
  the way. That they scope out their
• 1:50:45
  victims, the way that they catch them, the way that they kill
• 1:50:47
  them, the way that they process the bodies, and then they keep
• 1:50:49
  trophies. And because that what they do is
• 1:50:52
  that they revisit. They revisit the murder.
• 1:50:55
  They revisit. The the mental.
• 1:50:57
  Sensation they had when they killed a person because you
• 1:50:59
  know, he would have held that fucking class ring and he would
• 1:51:03
  have been brought back to like the moments that he was doing
• 1:51:06
  his thing with his fucking kids. They're such fucking freaks,
• 1:51:11
  man. This is where it gets really
• 1:51:12
  weird. So that same day, John called up
• 1:51:15
  the police and invited. Them over for breakfast right so
• 1:51:20
  it's so like confident man like it's cheating on your.
• 1:51:25
  Partner and then deleting everything and.
• 1:51:28
  Then like you can go through. My phone, Take it.
• 1:51:31
  That's exactly what this is, right?
• 1:51:34
  But like also at the same time, if you cheat on your partner and
• 1:51:37
  your hand over your phone, your phone's not going to stink a
• 1:51:39
  pussy. So it's like you're not going to
• 1:51:42
  get caught that easy. This analogy is it's really
• 1:51:46
  fucked up. I know I was.
• 1:51:48
  I was going I. Never want to go to Danny's.
• 1:51:50
  I never want to go to. Danny's apartment to.
• 1:51:52
  Experience the smells. I know I was going.
• 1:51:55
  To a different place and then I just got to your house.
• 1:51:56
  But what I mean is basically like, he was so confident.
• 1:51:59
  That he's basically like, I've got like rotting bodies in my
• 1:52:02
  house and you're not going to smell them.
• 1:52:04
  You're just going to think that I'm a nice guy.
• 1:52:06
  That's where his head is Like, like, like obviously we've been
• 1:52:09
  talking about like there's two ways that he's he's thinking
• 1:52:12
  though, and that's. Either I'm so smart, I never
• 1:52:16
  getting caught or this has gone far enough.
• 1:52:19
  I want to get caught. I think it's where do you guys
• 1:52:22
  stand? And I am falling on the he
• 1:52:24
  thinks he's so smart and. And.
• 1:52:26
  He yes. I I experienced so much like
• 1:52:30
  police ineptitude that he's he's almost.
• 1:52:32
  Tempting them, but he thinks that like.
• 1:52:34
  While tempting them, he can just be like stupid cops.
• 1:52:39
  I had you. I had you in my House of horrors
• 1:52:41
  and you still couldn't smell the couple of dozen dead bodies.
• 1:52:47
  It's very Icarus and I think again.
• 1:52:49
  Oh, he is so close. Oh, absolutely.
• 1:52:52
  And I think it's just because he.
• 1:52:54
  He thinks that he's so much. Smarter and that.
• 1:52:56
  They're so stupid. That he could.
• 1:52:58
  He could. Wait, he probably thinks I could
• 1:53:00
  shoot somebody on 5th Ave. and I'd still have supporters like I
• 1:53:04
  think as well that that is nothing that he is hiding behind
• 1:53:07
  is that is the whole. Gay aspect of it at that time
• 1:53:11
  where it's just like they just were like gay ass pecs.
• 1:53:16
  There was like. Yeah, we're not.
• 1:53:17
  We're not just that. That's fine.
• 1:53:18
  And I think like. That had probably proven.
• 1:53:22
  I hate you both so much and we have to, we have to add some
• 1:53:26
  Lebanese to this fucking horror. I know it's bad but like I.
• 1:53:30
  Just mean like, he'd probably like been experiencing that
• 1:53:34
  like. The entire time it's just the
• 1:53:36
  homophobia and whatever they're like, Oh yeah, they'll only
• 1:53:38
  investigate certain things. It's fine.
• 1:53:41
  I think that probably was something that just gave him
• 1:53:44
  that little bit of like bulletproof.
• 1:53:47
  Yeah, he's saying, oh, if I mention the fact.
• 1:53:50
  That in gay, it's not going to. Be a thing.
• 1:53:53
  Clock of homophobia. Like so like it was like his
• 1:53:56
  little Harry Potter clock. That like if I put, if I say I'm
• 1:54:00
  gay, I'm now invisible and the cops don't look for anything any
• 1:54:04
  further. It's not going to be an issue
• 1:54:06
  then in that case, yeah, it's fucking mental.
• 1:54:08
  Like so do. He invites these police over for
• 1:54:12
  breakfast. Now it was rumoured and I love
• 1:54:15
  this. This is such a me a me move to
• 1:54:18
  do. Apparently one of the deputies
• 1:54:21
  was like John's type. So he was like, let me have
• 1:54:24
  these guys over for breakfast. Well, like a 15 year old boy.
• 1:54:27
  No, I just wouldn't have someone over that wants to kill me.
• 1:54:29
  That was my type. Basically it's what I'm.
• 1:54:32
  John Wayne Gate was the cop, A 15 year old boy.
• 1:54:35
  That's what I meant, twink. Yeah, yeah, there's.
• 1:54:38
  A little twink cop? No, that's what I mean.
• 1:54:41
  That was a. Joke she would.
• 1:54:43
  I know and. So he.
• 1:54:45
  I would. I know he had them.
• 1:54:46
  All over. And that was just basically, it
• 1:54:50
  was rumored that it was because one of the deputies, he was
• 1:54:52
  like, oh, yeah, I kind of go for that.
• 1:54:54
  And if you were to invite someone who is your type of your
• 1:54:57
  house, would you just leave like a trail of cheese?
• 1:55:00
  All the way up the hallway and into the house.
• 1:55:02
  Because no, no, no, I would leave.
• 1:55:04
  It would be, it would be 10s of Spam.
• 1:55:06
  It would be raw meat. Raw meat.
• 1:55:10
  Just hockey pucks. All the way up at Main St. in
• 1:55:13
  Cardiff that No, no, but no. But Danny, you're, you're trying
• 1:55:16
  to like, you're trying to add on to this, you're like raw meat
• 1:55:18
  and raw meat and it's like. No, just raw meat.
• 1:55:21
  Like, just like raw, raw chicken, straw meat.
• 1:55:23
  Yeah, raw meat, raw chicken. And a bunch of guys who are just
• 1:55:25
  like, you can eat raw chicken. And you're like, that's right,
• 1:55:28
  of course. You can.
• 1:55:31
  Yeah. So I yeah, anyway.
• 1:55:35
  The hot police officer that he invited over?
• 1:55:37
  I don't know what we're talking about.
• 1:55:39
  So they noticed then that John was actually looking not too
• 1:55:44
  good. He was a little tired, anxious,
• 1:55:48
  like something was kind of wearing on him.
• 1:55:51
  But that's not all the police noticed.
• 1:55:53
  One of them said that as soon as they walked in, they could
• 1:55:57
  instantly smell. Was this a police dog?
• 1:56:00
  Again, just like having a seizure?
• 1:56:02
  No, it was. One of the hot guys that John
• 1:56:05
  invited over and so. John's excuse was like.
• 1:56:09
  Oh, yeah, I have mold, I have rodents.
• 1:56:12
  It's just smelly. It's not a big deal.
• 1:56:14
  Like he was basically just being like, yeah, it smells like this.
• 1:56:16
  All been using, he's been using this the excuse that he had damp
• 1:56:20
  in the crawl space and that's why he was.
• 1:56:22
  Using the lime for. So he was like this.
• 1:56:23
  The lime is going to soak up the damp.
• 1:56:25
  Yeah. But he's he's not going to get
• 1:56:28
  away with that forever. They know this is the smell of
• 1:56:31
  damp. No, no, that's the smell.
• 1:56:32
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:56:33
  Like, it's it's a bunch of cops who who know what the smell of a
• 1:56:36
  decomposing body is. Yeah.
• 1:56:39
  Exactly. But he basically was trying to
• 1:56:42
  like, it's not a big deal. Whatever.
• 1:56:45
  But the smell of John's house really like again, it wasn't
• 1:56:48
  enough. Like they, they went there and
• 1:56:50
  they had food with him and whatever and like the house
• 1:56:52
  tank, but that alone wasn't enough to come and search their
• 1:56:55
  house again. Like you can't just search
• 1:56:56
  someone's house on the premise of it being smelly like.
• 1:56:59
  So they were kind of like at a loss of things there.
• 1:57:03
  So in this time, then, John had gotten a lawyer.
• 1:57:08
  This lawyer had filed a $750,000 lawsuit against the city and the
• 1:57:15
  Police Department of Chicago. His lawyer was saying that the
• 1:57:19
  police were harassing John and doing illegal searches and that
• 1:57:23
  they were also taking stuff that they weren't elected.
• 1:57:27
  They did. He's like my dildo.
• 1:57:29
  What am I supposed to do without my dildo?
• 1:57:31
  Oh, God. And they were also basically
• 1:57:36
  destroying. His.
• 1:57:38
  John's reputation, after all of the legal proceedings and stuff,
• 1:57:41
  they weren't allowed to search John's home again, which is a
• 1:57:44
  fucking mess, right? But anyway, they that doesn't
• 1:57:48
  last too long. They don't have to deal with
• 1:57:50
  this kind of obstacle that much longer because finally on
• 1:57:56
  December 21st, 1978, John was followed to a gas station.
• 1:58:02
  The cops who followed him saw him pass off a package to one of
• 1:58:06
  the gas station clerks. The package was seized.
• 1:58:10
  It was a bunch of weed. And this was great because it
• 1:58:14
  was finally what they needed to arrest John for fucking
• 1:58:18
  something, just to get him in custody for something and not
• 1:58:20
  just basically be seen like they're harassing him for a
• 1:58:23
  crime he didn't commit. And they then held him so they
• 1:58:28
  could just go back and search his house again.
• 1:58:31
  So he gets arrested, right? And just just yeah, that the.
• 1:58:37
  Day. Before he gets arrested, he'd
• 1:58:40
  actually been to his lawyer to discuss that whole civil lawsuit
• 1:58:45
  filing that we were just talking about.
• 1:58:49
  But when John gets there, instead of talking about the
• 1:58:51
  filing, he sees like a newspaper on the lawyer's desk with the
• 1:58:57
  story about fucking that missing kid Robert, like all over the
• 1:59:02
  front page. And then John just looks at the
• 1:59:05
  fucking front page of this newspaper on his lawyer's desk
• 1:59:09
  and he's like, he's dead. And then just spills everything
• 1:59:14
  from his lawyer from the day that Robert goes.
• 1:59:17
  Missing and his. His family, like, you know,
• 1:59:20
  search for him. And report him as a missing
• 1:59:22
  person to when Gacy speaks to his his his lawyer and confesses
• 1:59:28
  it's 10 days. Yeah.
• 1:59:31
  So he's been like murdering an active for years and years and
• 1:59:34
  years and then in the space of 10 days.
• 1:59:35
  Because he got so cocky. It just it unravels and he
• 1:59:39
  cracks. I think something about this kid
• 1:59:42
  just like did something to him where he was just like.
• 1:59:46
  He just lost it. And then like, I've looked into
• 1:59:49
  kind of like interviews and stuff and like his family
• 1:59:52
  members talking about a partner's kid was like so sweet
• 1:59:55
  and so trusting. And it was probably like, this
• 2:00:00
  sounds so creepy of me to say, but like the purest kind of soul
• 2:00:06
  that John had encountered and like fucked with that.
• 2:00:11
  He was just like Nope, because that that was the one that
• 2:00:13
  really seemed to when he talks about later on like the victims
• 2:00:19
  he does. Talk about how.
• 2:00:21
  Like, oh everybody. Thinks these are innocent
• 2:00:23
  people, but they were like, these guys were not what you
• 2:00:29
  think they are. Like the way he was talking
• 2:00:30
  about them was like there was people obviously had charges for
• 2:00:33
  criminal behavior and stuff like that before.
• 2:00:36
  Like this kid, there's just gay. That's what.
• 2:00:39
  No, no, there was what there was guys that were like.
• 2:00:42
  They probably had like misdemeanor.
• 2:00:44
  Offenses. Or something.
• 2:00:45
  Yeah, exactly. They were, they were in and out
• 2:00:47
  prison and stuff like that, like.
• 2:00:48
  Guys, these you don't kind of have.
• 2:00:50
  That kind of transient lifestyle without getting into trouble,
• 2:00:53
  like up and down, like, you know what I mean?
• 2:00:55
  Like whether it's for like, you know, robbery or prostitution or
• 2:00:59
  something along the lines. So this is what he was saying is
• 2:01:02
  like that, like all people, people always thought that I was
• 2:01:05
  out there killing like these innocent people.
• 2:01:07
  But I do think that Gacy thought himself was, he thought he was
• 2:01:10
  some kind of a Dexter, you know, that he was what?
• 2:01:13
  Yeah. Clean.
• 2:01:14
  Yes. That's a good point, actually.
• 2:01:17
  Yeah, that that actually. Weighed on him a little bit.
• 2:01:20
  But like. Also.
• 2:01:21
  Like I think the fact that there was more pressure.
• 2:01:24
  Put on him by the cops, which he wasn't used to the cops actually
• 2:01:26
  paid attention yeah yeah. So he's.
• 2:01:29
  He thought he was playing cat and mouse at the cops and then
• 2:01:30
  when he finally. Realized that he was the fucking
• 2:01:32
  mouse. That he was, he kind of got a
• 2:01:36
  little bit. Yeah.
• 2:01:37
  Because like you can even see like the, like the, the, the,
• 2:01:41
  the lawsuit, like you can look at it in two ways.
• 2:01:44
  That's cocky as fuck. That he was like, huh.
• 2:01:47
  I'm actually going to fucking sue you guys now, Like, and you,
• 2:01:52
  you, but also that's all kind of the flailing arms of the death.
• 2:01:56
  Like, you know, like, like, you know, while you're going down,
• 2:01:59
  you're like, oh, I'm going to put so much pressure on these
• 2:02:01
  people. They have to, I'm going to try
• 2:02:03
  anything. I'm going to get them to leave.
• 2:02:04
  I'll sue you. You can't get me.
• 2:02:05
  Yeah, I'll sue you for for 3/4 of a million and this book.
• 2:02:09
  In a job book. In a Cockapala pack, whatever
• 2:02:14
  his name is, he said a fuck you like because he was suing him
• 2:02:19
  personally. It was Yeah.
• 2:02:20
  It wasn't like he was suing like the like, Yeah.
• 2:02:22
  And he went, yeah, well, OK, I'll, I'll call your blow and
• 2:02:26
  I'm going to keep going and see. Because he was sure in his head,
• 2:02:29
  because he said there's the only reason why he was acting out
• 2:02:32
  like this and why he was he was getting into this desperation is
• 2:02:38
  because he was guilty. And he's also, the more Gacy,
• 2:02:42
  yeah, the more Gacy double that, double S down and puts pressure
• 2:02:46
  on him. He's like, oh, he's obviously
• 2:02:48
  fucking guilty. So that's when he called Gacy's
• 2:02:51
  loaf on that one. Yeah.
• 2:02:53
  Because Gacy was trying to like, play chicken with a Chicago cop.
• 2:02:55
  And this guy is like Nah, fuck you.
• 2:02:58
  Buddy, he's like, I'm from Chicago.
• 2:03:00
  Thin crust pizza. No thank you.
• 2:03:02
  I'm from Chicago. I like my pizza like.
• 2:03:04
  It's a soup, so yeah. John basically sat there for
• 2:03:10
  hours. Confessing everything to his
• 2:03:12
  lawyer. Saying that he had killed 32 men
• 2:03:15
  after having sexual relations relations with them.
• 2:03:21
  During his confession, John goes into detail about burying bodies
• 2:03:25
  under his house and says that he was using the river to dump
• 2:03:30
  bodies. It was said that he wait.
• 2:03:34
  It was said that John, while he was confessing, had fallen
• 2:03:37
  asleep. In the middle.
• 2:03:39
  Of his confession, I guess he was bored.
• 2:03:43
  I don't know, but his lawyer had said that he was in absolute
• 2:03:46
  shock, like to fall asleep while confessing to murdering 32
• 2:03:50
  people is. Fascinating.
• 2:03:54
  Maybe it's like counting sheep. Maybe.
• 2:04:00
  Honestly, maybe. But anyway, so.
• 2:04:03
  John. Is arrested once again, and
• 2:04:06
  during this time the police get another warrant to search his
• 2:04:10
  home. They learned that at one point,
• 2:04:12
  John had asked his employee to dig a trench in his crawl space,
• 2:04:19
  and that he'd asked another employee about.
• 2:04:21
  This who? Said that he helped dig some
• 2:04:24
  trenches and spread lime in them and then he told police that
• 2:04:29
  said trenches were the size of a shallow grave.
• 2:04:33
  Now there are many speculations, many rumors that these two
• 2:04:37
  particular employees were involved the murders, that they
• 2:04:40
  were accomplices. But many believe that that's
• 2:04:43
  untrue. They were just kind of doing
• 2:04:45
  what they had. Yeah, they were just.
• 2:04:47
  They were like, he was their foreman and he was just like,
• 2:04:50
  oh, I have this project in my house.
• 2:04:51
  So you guys come, I'll give you a.
• 2:04:52
  Cash, they were just like they were just doing a job on knock
• 2:04:56
  on the weekend. Like it's, you know, to try to
• 2:04:59
  tie these guys to a serial killer is a big stretch.
• 2:05:03
  It is. But I think at this, I think at
• 2:05:06
  the point of this was that they were like he had already killed.
• 2:05:09
  A bunch of people that were buried already, and if they were
• 2:05:11
  digging trenches, do you not think that they would have seen
• 2:05:14
  those bodies? I think that's the reason that
• 2:05:17
  people are kind of leaning towards accusing.
• 2:05:20
  Yeah, there was one guy that he was recounting where Gacy was
• 2:05:24
  apparently like. On his ass and he was like don't
• 2:05:28
  go past like he had lines wrong and he was like don't go past
• 2:05:32
  that line there. You can only do here.
• 2:05:34
  And like the guy was like all year.
• 2:05:37
  Like obviously years later, I realize that I was digging right
• 2:05:40
  beside where there was people buried.
• 2:05:43
  Police researching Gacy's house. They have?
• 2:05:46
  John questioned back at the station.
• 2:05:48
  And they're trying to. Get a confession from him and
• 2:05:51
  they basically say, look, John, we'll tear that fucking house
• 2:05:54
  down and do whatever it takes to find Robert's body.
• 2:05:57
  And John's like, right, I'm telling you, his body isn't
• 2:06:01
  there, but you might find other people burying in the floor like
• 2:06:05
  just so fucking casually. And then he goes on to say that
• 2:06:09
  there's another guy buried in the floor that he was forced to
• 2:06:12
  kill in self-defense. John ends up going back to the
• 2:06:16
  house with the police then. And they basically they're just
• 2:06:19
  like, here, here's a fucking spray can, like a spray paint
• 2:06:23
  can. Use this fucking mark where the
• 2:06:25
  bodies are, and we're good here, right?
• 2:06:28
  So he's just like, yeah, fine, whatever.
• 2:06:32
  So he takes the. Spray can and he he starts
• 2:06:34
  marking shit and then they come across a trap door under the
• 2:06:38
  crawl space. That's never good.
• 2:06:40
  And they open this door. No the wonder that trapdoor.
• 2:06:44
  I don't. Remember that the the
• 2:06:47
  claymation. Yeah, yeah, something.
• 2:06:50
  Down there. Fucking fantastic show.
• 2:06:53
  Trapdoors. Creep the fuck out of me, but
• 2:06:55
  basically they they. Find this trapdoor which is
• 2:06:58
  already under the. Fucking crawl space.
• 2:06:59
  And then they go into the trapdoor and it's just full of
• 2:07:02
  fucking hundreds and hundreds of just body parts, just random
• 2:07:07
  body parts. And this is what, spoiler alert,
• 2:07:11
  would make it a lot more difficult to identify victims
• 2:07:15
  later on because it's just a soup of different.
• 2:07:20
  He has, he has this like laid out in his trap door and you
• 2:07:24
  know. That these are like he opens it
• 2:07:25
  up he. Looks at like all the like body
• 2:07:28
  parts and he's like admiring his work, you know, and he has it
• 2:07:31
  like hidden in his house and, you know, like it gets revealed
• 2:07:35
  and everyone just sees like, you know, the, the, the work that
• 2:07:38
  he's been doing for all these years.
• 2:07:41
  Look on my works, the mighty and despair.
• 2:07:43
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 2:07:47
  So the next day, December 20. Second, John begins.
• 2:07:51
  Talking to police. And he admits to burying 27
• 2:07:54
  bodies around his property. He also confesses to throwing
• 2:07:58
  bodies into the river. And four bodies are eventually
• 2:08:02
  found. But Robert's body is never
• 2:08:04
  recovered, which is really sad. John tried hard to convince
• 2:08:08
  everyone that he had a multiple personality.
• 2:08:11
  Disorder. He claimed that he had four
• 2:08:14
  personalities. They had three psychiatric
• 2:08:17
  experts work with him and they believed that he was absolutely
• 2:08:21
  fucking sane and in control. Well, he actually had he
• 2:08:25
  actually had some traction on this one because like later on,
• 2:08:28
  he he. Actually denied this that he had
• 2:08:31
  any kind of multi personal multiple personality thing.
• 2:08:34
  But when he was first locked up, when he was put into prison,
• 2:08:38
  when he said the doctors came around and we're trying to see
• 2:08:42
  because he he tried to get out with insanity first before the
• 2:08:45
  sodomy charge. And a doctor went and said like
• 2:08:50
  they assessed them and the doctor said this guy could have
• 2:08:53
  multiple personality disorder and they kind of just took that
• 2:08:59
  and ran with it again. So they were going to try and
• 2:09:01
  use that for this trial because they said that he had multiple
• 2:09:05
  personalities. So that's why he clicked in and
• 2:09:07
  he kind of locked into this. And he was like, OK, I'm going
• 2:09:10
  to start talking in the third person and stuff like that,
• 2:09:13
  which he never did. He he actually never did well,
• 2:09:16
  because there was a precedent already from his 1968 trial that
• 2:09:22
  a doctor once said that he had multiple, he had signs of
• 2:09:25
  multiple personalities. Yeah.
• 2:09:27
  That he then locked into it. Well, he later when he does, he
• 2:09:30
  does his interviews after that. He was like not 100% that he
• 2:09:34
  said the doctor's just an asshole like he goes that that
• 2:09:38
  doctor was talking to. I just I love how just like 3
• 2:09:41
  psychiatric experts and they were like no this guys bullshit
• 2:09:44
  like. Yeah, yeah, he's fine.
• 2:09:46
  Yeah, they're like he's him. Shut up.
• 2:09:49
  So don't try hard to convince everyone.
• 2:09:51
  That he had Yeah. So John's house, they ended up
• 2:09:57
  finding 29 bodies in total and 26 of them were found in the.
• 2:10:03
  That is more. I'm sorry.
• 2:10:04
  That is exactly AA Baker's dozen.
• 2:10:08
  Like like that is. Yes, so many dead bodies.
• 2:10:13
  It's so many dead bodies to have under your fucking house.
• 2:10:16
  Didn't you have just one guy stuffed in the chimney?
• 2:10:19
  Wasn't that? Wasn't that one?
• 2:10:20
  Like I think that was. Yeah, he wouldn't have been one
• 2:10:24
  of the 21 of the 26. He had, He had.
• 2:10:27
  Three like just. Buried in his garden as well,
• 2:10:29
  like you know, he had like graves in the garden.
• 2:10:31
  Too. Yeah.
• 2:10:33
  And I'll, I'll get to that in a second.
• 2:10:35
  But like I have I have this weird thing when it comes to
• 2:10:37
  like. Serial killers.
• 2:10:38
  And like, Oh yeah, he killed like 27 people.
• 2:10:41
  Like that's not that many, but then like my brain is like
• 2:10:45
  basically putting 27 people in a garden in a.
• 2:10:48
  Garden. Party that I'm like, oh, that's
• 2:10:50
  not too. That's not many compared to
• 2:10:51
  what? But that's what I mean.
• 2:10:52
  That's that's what I'm talking about.
• 2:10:54
  My brain does that. I'm like, that's not.
• 2:10:56
  That many people. But I'm like.
• 2:10:57
  To kill that many people, that many people to be at a football
• 2:11:01
  game to a lot of people, to be in a sauna.
• 2:11:03
  Like so like what? But what are you?
• 2:11:04
  Comparing actually very few. I would be furious if I was in a
• 2:11:09
  sauna that had 27 people in it. Especially if they were chopped.
• 2:11:12
  Up in different bits, especially if they were like.
• 2:11:14
  You mean you're not Vlad the Impaler?
• 2:11:17
  You mean that I'm not in that fucking?
• 2:11:18
  Nazi camp. Like gash chamber, I just OK
• 2:11:22
  doesn't not impressive. I just listen to a full Vlad the
• 2:11:25
  Impaler podcast, so let's. Not.
• 2:11:27
  Don't, don't so hard. He's so hard.
• 2:11:30
  His childhood was very similar. To John Wayne Casey.
• 2:11:34
  'S and that's all I'm saying. We talked about him, didn't we?
• 2:11:38
  When you were talking about, you know, the fact that you almost
• 2:11:40
  got murdered by. A strip.
• 2:11:42
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was in Romania.
• 2:11:43
  Employee in Romania, yeah, yeah. OK, so we could do a whole.
• 2:11:47
  Episode on him though because he is 26.
• 2:11:49
  Bodies in the Cross. Or she.
• 2:11:52
  Literally just looked at the time. 26 bodies in the crosses
• 2:11:59
  and by the. Time that they had finished.
• 2:12:03
  John was charged with 33 counts of murder.
• 2:12:07
  He had technically been convicted of more murders than
• 2:12:10
  anyone in American history. He just got 12 life sentences,
• 2:12:14
  though, didn't he? Let me get to it.
• 2:12:21
  I'm like, oh, you. Spent so much.
• 2:12:22
  Time. Doing this, This is why I'm the
• 2:12:25
  dickhead who's like. I don't need the norm, I
• 2:12:28
  probably should have them in you just.
• 2:12:30
  You're like, I don't care. So John was deemed fit to stand
• 2:12:35
  trial. Because obviously they were
• 2:12:36
  like, we reject all of the fucking claims that you have for
• 2:12:39
  different personalities. Like whatever.
• 2:12:41
  Despite trying to plead not guilty by reason of insanity,
• 2:12:45
  the trial lasted about 5 weeks. People were fucking super
• 2:12:50
  invested. But it did take the jury less
• 2:12:52
  than two hours to find him guilty of 33 murders.
• 2:12:58
  John was sentenced to serve 12 death sentences and 20 one life
• 2:13:03
  sentences. The parents and the relatives of
• 2:13:07
  John's victims started to clap when they learned that John is
• 2:13:11
  going to be executed. Now what I will say these are
• 2:13:15
  just 33 that he has been convicted of.
• 2:13:19
  It is said that it's been a lot more that he just hasn't been
• 2:13:23
  caught for because again, his target was transients and people
• 2:13:28
  who just wouldn't be missed. The sense horrible but would not
• 2:13:33
  be kind of like he targeted. Gay sex.
• 2:13:35
  Workers, the police would have just been like good, good.
• 2:13:39
  They're gone. I I think the police also use
• 2:13:44
  the excuse that. This that the fact that the like
• 2:13:50
  you're looking for 33 missing people or whatever.
• 2:13:53
  Like even if it's fifty, say it's 50 people out of I think
• 2:13:57
  that the numbers at the time who are in the 30,000 of people who
• 2:14:01
  are missing persons in and around the Illinois State.
• 2:14:07
  Yeah. And we could do like a whole
• 2:14:08
  episode on. Just a fucking.
• 2:14:10
  Missing missing persons. Thing because like, there's a
• 2:14:14
  really fucking creepy thing. We tried to do it and we ended
• 2:14:18
  up talking about fucking JFK for two hours.
• 2:14:22
  But I don't think that they do it in.
• 2:14:24
  I don't think they do it over here, but it's basically.
• 2:14:26
  Like they will interrupt. Programming and they're like,
• 2:14:29
  here's a Jane Doe of this person who's missing and they interrupt
• 2:14:33
  like that's a whole another Reddit post.
• 2:14:36
  It's like has anyone ever been watching their favorite cartoon
• 2:14:39
  when they're kids? And then just like fucking
• 2:14:40
  creepy drawing of someone shows up that they're missing.
• 2:14:45
  And then it's always like the, you know, when the fucking
• 2:14:47
  broadcast goes out, it's like we had pictures of cows on our milk
• 2:14:51
  parents when we were kids in America.
• 2:14:53
  They had yeah, kids. Missing fucking kids and it is
• 2:14:58
  like it's still that. It's so much more of.
• 2:15:00
  Like the things that are wrong with America.
• 2:15:02
  Like you'd be watching a cartoon.
• 2:15:03
  They were like, here's this missing child.
• 2:15:05
  Who? Might be murdered as they're
• 2:15:07
  desensitized to it and like one thing that I had found it's.
• 2:15:12
  Not off topic I'm I'm on topic but like I tried to visit my.
• 2:15:17
  Brother. In America, like every year
• 2:15:19
  before he was mega, but like I always feel like when I when I
• 2:15:22
  touched down, I was hanging out in New York, there was like
• 2:15:24
  always like Amber Alert. I'm like what the fuck is an
• 2:15:26
  Amber missing kids several times a day.
• 2:15:29
  I'd say stop naming your kid Amber and she won't go missing.
• 2:15:35
  But you know what I mean? There's, there's, there's just
• 2:15:37
  always fucking something. There's always.
• 2:15:39
  You know where your. Children, are I already?
• 2:15:42
  I told you last night, no. I do that all the time.
• 2:15:46
  I'm like anytime. Alex.
• 2:15:47
  Messages me about the podcast I'm.
• 2:15:49
  Like I told you last night, no. And so they go to John's house.
• 2:15:54
  Dirty murders. So John was sentenced to death
• 2:15:57
  and on May 10th, well, no, he was sentenced before that, but
• 2:16:01
  he was executed on May 10th, 1994.
• 2:16:06
  He sat on death row for 14 years.
• 2:16:10
  John had tried to appeal his sentence and during his death,
• 2:16:15
  wait, no, during his death sitting time, he gave a bunch of
• 2:16:20
  interviews just giving out basically fucking stupid
• 2:16:23
  information, trying to prove that he was in.
• 2:16:25
  Yeah, he changed his story. He changed his story constantly.
• 2:16:28
  He said that the first killing he did.
• 2:16:31
  He killed what then? He.
• 2:16:32
  Said because of his lifestyle. Yeah, he had an open door
• 2:16:35
  policy. He was.
• 2:16:36
  It was pinned on him. Yeah, he said.
• 2:16:39
  There was a bunch of people that were coming and just living in
• 2:16:41
  in. His house in the lower part of
• 2:16:43
  his house. And it was kind of a party
• 2:16:45
  house. And he said he knew of people
• 2:16:48
  who had murdered and he saw the bodies both.
• 2:16:53
  So hold on. So these guys, he said that like
• 2:16:56
  those guys who used to just come and stay in his house would.
• 2:16:58
  Murder people and just keep the. Bodies there.
• 2:17:01
  Fuck yeah. And yeah, pretty much.
• 2:17:04
  Well, he he did say that like, yeah, you could implement or
• 2:17:07
  implicate. Me in some of these murders.
• 2:17:09
  Because. I helped get rid of the body or
• 2:17:12
  I knew who did it and I would have had an accomplice.
• 2:17:14
  But he said he only ever killed one person and that was in
• 2:17:18
  self-defense of the bacon and eggs incident.
• 2:17:21
  Yet. Egg guy.
• 2:17:23
  Yeah. And then from.
• 2:17:24
  Then on like. I listened to some of the
• 2:17:27
  actual. Gacy Tapes.
• 2:17:29
  And it's very interesting to like very crazy.
• 2:17:32
  It's kind of it's not even as ominous as you think it would be
• 2:17:35
  to be listening. To a serial kind of person, no,
• 2:17:37
  because. He he fully believes himself.
• 2:17:40
  It just sounds so normal. That's the thing.
• 2:17:41
  That's what makes it. Yeah, because.
• 2:17:43
  He he thinks that what he is. Saying is true.
• 2:17:46
  Yeah. And that that's what kind of
• 2:17:47
  what makes it worse. And he's like he's you can tell
• 2:17:50
  how he would have pulled people into, you know, trusting him and
• 2:17:56
  to believing him because he's just just a fucking like.
• 2:17:58
  But it's yeah, it's funny. As the longer kind of things
• 2:18:01
  went on, like closer came to. His the day of his.
• 2:18:05
  Botched. Execution that the the yeah but
• 2:18:09
  like remember when we done alien warn us and like she kind of my
• 2:18:14
  Angel like she might have got a little bit kind of like
• 2:18:17
  obviously incarceration fucked her up.
• 2:18:19
  Even more than she. Already was, but like, she
• 2:18:22
  became kind of penitent at the end.
• 2:18:24
  Like she she wanted to admit that what she did was wrong and
• 2:18:28
  she actually said I bought he stayed like pig stubborn to the
• 2:18:34
  end, like and he cut if anything, he kind of got a
• 2:18:38
  little bit more belligerent. The mask kind of slipped off him
• 2:18:40
  because he was in prison now and he didn't have to like uphold
• 2:18:44
  this like a member of society that like, you know, this
• 2:18:47
  charming man kind of persona that he had.
• 2:18:50
  So he kind of got a little bit more kind of like the cops are
• 2:18:53
  dorm fucking. They got it wrong.
• 2:18:55
  I'm innocent of all these murders and kiss my ass
• 2:19:00
  basically. But there was so like going back
• 2:19:04
  to alien Wuerno she had. Done an interview and now this,
• 2:19:10
  this kind of documentary has just recently come out on
• 2:19:13
  Netflix, but basically she had offered her final interview to
• 2:19:17
  someone who had been a journalist from Sydney who had
• 2:19:20
  been writing to her for fucking years.
• 2:19:22
  Well, he he's done a documentary, he's done a
• 2:19:24
  documentary on her earlier and then she's done, she's done a
• 2:19:26
  second documentary where. He he came back and this is
• 2:19:31
  where she kind of done that, her confession really on the second
• 2:19:36
  documentary. Yeah.
• 2:19:37
  And she was like, you guys are going to make a lot of money
• 2:19:39
  about it. And I just, I watched it and I
• 2:19:42
  was just like. Oh, dude, she's like, honestly,
• 2:19:44
  I love her, but she was being that was kind of a big deal
• 2:19:49
  there like that she was being. Used.
• 2:19:51
  Yeah, because the the 24 hour news cycle had kind of just
• 2:19:54
  kicked in at that stage. And this was kind of Yeah, it
• 2:19:57
  was just before booking. What's his head?
• 2:20:02
  OJ Simpson. Really kicked off so she she was
• 2:20:05
  the she was the kind of donkey that was everyone was pinning
• 2:20:09
  their fucking money on the back of like so like she there's like
• 2:20:14
  behind the behind the scenes with her as well.
• 2:20:16
  Like she's just a. Respectful.
• 2:20:19
  Nice. Person and and when she she is
• 2:20:23
  though, I don't care. I got a such an asterisk with
• 2:20:28
  that a man death is a man death. I don't give a fuck like I
• 2:20:32
  already. Don't so like she.
• 2:20:34
  She did like a whole thing where she was like basically so that
• 2:20:36
  the so the woman that had been writing to her, this journalist
• 2:20:39
  who who put this whole thing together, they've been writing
• 2:20:42
  each other for fucking years, right?
• 2:20:45
  And then just the I had said this to you about that fucking
• 2:20:48
  Thai cunt, right? That she was basically she's
• 2:20:52
  like, do you still love Ty? And she was like, tell the day I
• 2:20:55
  die. Absolutely.
• 2:20:56
  I still love Ty, who fucking soldered her down a fucking
• 2:20:59
  river. And she was still everybody came
• 2:21:02
  into contact in those last that last while like, yeah, try to.
• 2:21:06
  Try to make some money on like the cops while.
• 2:21:09
  While the investigation was all open, a cop had sold the story
• 2:21:14
  for a book. Like he was getting a book like
• 2:21:16
  why are we talking about Alien one?
• 2:21:18
  Also, I don't know, I think we're having the whole trust
• 2:21:21
  thing when it comes to like police interviews, but like
• 2:21:23
  basically with. With Alien, it is a completely
• 2:21:26
  fucking different thing. Whereas that she was like, she
• 2:21:28
  knew not to trust people and she knew whatever.
• 2:21:30
  And then, like when she was actually in contact with people
• 2:21:32
  and she had like, I mean, as much as you can trust people
• 2:21:34
  when you're incarcerated, like she knew.
• 2:21:38
  And she was like, yeah, fuck it, I'll tell anyone anything that
• 2:21:40
  they need to know. Like, and she went and she's
• 2:21:42
  like, yes, I did kill that man. Whereas Gacy was trying to still
• 2:21:47
  manipulate the cops. He was like, I never did.
• 2:21:49
  That yeah, exactly. And that's a huge fucking
• 2:21:52
  difference. Where it's just like.
• 2:21:54
  You can kind of have like, I mean, as much respect as you can
• 2:21:58
  have for a fucking serial killer, it's still different
• 2:22:02
  when like you have someone like Alienware knows who's like.
• 2:22:05
  All right, let's sit. Down.
• 2:22:06
  I will fucking draw you a graph like I killed this person On
• 2:22:10
  this date, this person this date.
• 2:22:11
  This is why I kill them. I was I was over here then I
• 2:22:14
  drove over here like it's completely fucking different to
• 2:22:17
  ACP and like I'm just horny brah.
• 2:22:20
  Do you mean he's just a fucking gay jock and that's all I get
• 2:22:23
  from this man. His story became so convoluted
• 2:22:26
  at the end where he was like, yeah, but I Oh yeah, I knew.
• 2:22:29
  There was murders happening, but I wasn't the one murder and it's
• 2:22:32
  kind of he tied himself open the fucking knots like and it was
• 2:22:35
  just hovering for my buddy. There was never any kind of.
• 2:22:39
  There was never any kind of an. Aspect of.
• 2:22:43
  Of this that was ever going to be kind of like, OK, maybe that
• 2:22:47
  what he's saying now will actually pour some doubt onto
• 2:22:49
  it. There was it was it was always 1
• 2:22:52
  dry. He did those murders and this
• 2:22:54
  was just his last ditch at hand. And not like it was a kind of a
• 2:22:57
  cowardly way of being like he just didn't want the death
• 2:22:59
  penalty. And yes, that's the exact word
• 2:23:02
  is carried like So after all of this, he basically he had.
• 2:23:06
  Recorded a 12 minute, basically like a fucking 12 minute
• 2:23:12
  statement on his so if you if you call a prisoner.
• 2:23:16
  So at that time I don't. Know if it's still?
• 2:23:18
  The same if you call a prisoner and you get a message.
• 2:23:21
  It was 12 minutes of him basically being like I'm
• 2:23:23
  innocent because and he just had like a list of alibis for for
• 2:23:27
  each case. Yeah, any any friend or?
• 2:23:30
  Family or like even fucking reporter or whatever if they
• 2:23:34
  wanted to get in. Touch with John, they would have
• 2:23:35
  to listen to this 12 minute testimonial about why he was
• 2:23:38
  innocent first, which is fucking crazy anyway.
• 2:23:43
  So yeah, basically he just wanted people to know that he
• 2:23:48
  was wrongly convicted. So his final meal, we talked
• 2:23:52
  with this in a deleted episode but it was a bucket of KFC which
• 2:23:58
  is a very full circle meal to end all final meals like.
• 2:24:01
  This like, I mean, it's a good final meal.
• 2:24:04
  I I would love a book like a. Pound of strawberries or
• 2:24:06
  something like that as well that he.
• 2:24:07
  Got and then there was like, there was all kinds of like.
• 2:24:11
  Yeah, because he wanted he, they were like, do you want the ice
• 2:24:16
  cream? And he was like.
• 2:24:17
  No, I hate that shit. Give me.
• 2:24:18
  Strawberries. Yeah.
• 2:24:19
  So instead of the ice cream, he had strawberries.
• 2:24:21
  And so he had a book of the KFC. Shortly after midnight on May
• 2:24:26
  11th, 1994, John Wayne Gacy, who was 52 years old of time, was
• 2:24:32
  given a three drug, a lethal injection.
• 2:24:36
  Now I have this underlined because it did.
• 2:24:39
  It wasn't enough. He was in agony for.
• 2:24:42
  They didn't give him like enough of a dose.
• 2:24:45
  Yeah. No, Yeah, John is the big, big.
• 2:24:48
  Man, and they didn't take into account.
• 2:24:51
  That he would need and and more of a dose.
• 2:24:53
  So he did suffer a little bit more than he was.
• 2:24:58
  I guess there's the one that that sedates you.
• 2:25:02
  So like norms. You makes sure you don't feel
• 2:25:05
  any pain then there's there the one that kind of yeah it yeah,
• 2:25:12
  so you can't move then the last one actually shuts down your
• 2:25:15
  nervous system well, like it was the.
• 2:25:18
  One that they. Put in the sedate, fucked up
• 2:25:22
  like wasn't high enough dosage. So when they put the other stuff
• 2:25:24
  in like he was in agony, felt anything.
• 2:25:26
  Yeah, he was in AK hole. He was basically just like what
• 2:25:29
  the fuck? Like he just didn't know what
• 2:25:30
  the fuck is going on. And.
• 2:25:32
  So yeah, that that was a weird fucking thing.
• 2:25:35
  So he didn't actually die until 12:58.
• 2:25:40
  He took an hour and he was waiting, man.
• 2:25:44
  Yeah, he was. He was struggling.
• 2:25:47
  For that time and then it was. Kind of a case of where there
• 2:25:51
  were. So then, like, do you call them
• 2:25:53
  nurses like Esther? They would be, Yeah.
• 2:25:58
  And they were kind of running around freaking out.
• 2:26:00
  Because this man was. Basically having.
• 2:26:02
  No, this monsters in pain. What would we do?
• 2:26:06
  Yes. They're just like.
• 2:26:07
  Oh, no, no. But he so he, yeah, he basically
• 2:26:10
  freaked the fuck out. And have you guys seen this
• 2:26:13
  always kind of, you know, the Green Mile?
• 2:26:16
  Sorry, John Coffee. John Coffee.
• 2:26:18
  I'm sorry, boss. I'm.
• 2:26:20
  Sorry, but. I sorry boss.
• 2:26:22
  I cry every fucking time but. Yeah, we didn't wait the sponge.
• 2:26:25
  Yes, well that Percy fucking Quick didn't do it on purpose
• 2:26:29
  and he was like oh, see what? Happens.
• 2:26:31
  I love, I love the part of that where like, you know, the like
• 2:26:34
  the guys like cook and dry and then they're like, no.
• 2:26:37
  Make him watch and like, fuck, and that, that, that's another
• 2:26:41
  thing. I think that's how this
• 2:26:42
  happened. But I would gladly watch John
• 2:26:44
  Wayne Gacy fucking well. 1000 people showed up outside the
• 2:26:47
  fucking prison and celebrate his his dead, wasn't it?
• 2:26:51
  Yeah. There were banners, there were
• 2:26:54
  fucking like posters that were. Everything basically just being
• 2:26:58
  like so long and like. So there was another thing that
• 2:27:01
  uh, was said that his last words were something cool like fucking
• 2:27:06
  kiss my ass was what he was, what he was supportive said, but
• 2:27:09
  it's still actually. Yeah, it was nothing his his
• 2:27:14
  lawyer came. Out and was like no.
• 2:27:16
  He actually didn't say anything, he just shot.
• 2:27:18
  Himself, he just took it. He just took it like a fucking
• 2:27:21
  bitch, like he expected all his fucking victims to do.
• 2:27:24
  I think he shot himself his final words, like he didn't say
• 2:27:27
  any words when he was strapped in.
• 2:27:29
  I don't think it's like the thing.
• 2:27:30
  Was like, apparently he said kiss my ass, but that's, you
• 2:27:34
  know, such an urban legend. Yeah, urban myths, but yeah,
• 2:27:37
  yeah. So like I but what he had.
• 2:27:39
  Actually, I think his last. Actual words were still him
• 2:27:43
  saying that this isn't right. I didn't I didn't do this.
• 2:27:47
  So he was kind of pleading for his life a little bit.
• 2:27:48
  So he wasn't a badass that you think I I do think like a lot of
• 2:27:54
  like weird shit and like I'm going to struggle how to.
• 2:27:56
  Actually word this when it comes to a lot of serial killers and
• 2:27:59
  stuff, they're seen as like, I don't want to say the word icon
• 2:28:03
  because they're not, but they're like these, these pillars of
• 2:28:06
  history and I feel like people have to kind of build some kind
• 2:28:11
  of miraculous, not miraculous. What's the word?
• 2:28:13
  I'm looking for some kind of fucking like, influential story,
• 2:28:17
  yeah, around them that they've said something.
• 2:28:19
  Iconic. And they've just been like, you
• 2:28:22
  know, I mean, and it's not always the case, Like when you
• 2:28:24
  have someone who is like killed people and who's being put to
• 2:28:27
  death, they're cowards. They're not fucking brave,
• 2:28:30
  influential people where they're going to have something fucking
• 2:28:33
  to say that you're like, I will carry this.
• 2:28:35
  Like look at Amy Wernos, right? Love her to death, but she's
• 2:28:38
  like, I'm going to come back with Will Smith, baby.
• 2:28:41
  And I'm like, I too like The Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Aileen,
• 2:28:45
  you know what I mean? It's.
• 2:28:46
  Like it's. Not always something fucking
• 2:28:48
  profound. And I think people look at
• 2:28:50
  people who kill and who, you know, do all of this shit as
• 2:28:55
  there is, yeah, something different because I guess normal
• 2:28:58
  people look at murderers. Because we can't.
• 2:29:01
  We can't. Fathom being This is why we're
• 2:29:05
  This is why we're talking about at a podcast, because it is mad
• 2:29:08
  interesting. There is.
• 2:29:09
  People out there to fetishize it, like, that's not obviously
• 2:29:11
  what we're doing here. Like we're obviously not
• 2:29:13
  condoning murder or anything. Like we're not like, yeah,
• 2:29:17
  putting this guy on a pedestal. Like if anything, we're kind of
• 2:29:19
  saying like he was a big fucking piece of shit.
• 2:29:21
  Bathroom spa and like and yeah, big fucking creep, yeah.
• 2:29:27
  But what happens then is people kind of make these legends.
• 2:29:30
  Over as as. Ocean said Like urban legend,
• 2:29:33
  like, and then that kiss my ass is kind of like, oh, that's the
• 2:29:36
  great final words of this guy. Who they've also, they've also
• 2:29:40
  built them as a popular clown. So try to create your mind
• 2:29:42
  around him like you, you picture this guy.
• 2:29:45
  Yeah, yeah. So you're you.
• 2:29:47
  You. Picture this guy who's this so
• 2:29:49
  like he's dressed as a clown getting getting fucking killed
• 2:29:52
  when you kiss my ass and like, you know, yeah, it's yeah before
• 2:29:59
  before we end, though, I do I I. Will just say we do have a
• 2:30:05
  little bit to talk about in regards to the victims.
• 2:30:07
  So they still had out of the 33 bodies, they had eight that they
• 2:30:13
  couldn't identify. I didn't kind of want to say
• 2:30:17
  this at the time, but they're, a lot of them were because he used
• 2:30:21
  like the fucking quicklime and all of this bullshit.
• 2:30:24
  They were so rotted beyond belief that a lot of the DNA was
• 2:30:28
  kind of the body parts were just a soup, if you could say so it
• 2:30:34
  was it was very, very hard to pull.
• 2:30:37
  DNA from all. Of them.
• 2:30:38
  So there were eight bodies in total at the time that he was
• 2:30:41
  executed that weren't identified.
• 2:30:44
  Now dental record kind of time has gone on and got to identify
• 2:30:48
  had to they had to identify a lot.
• 2:30:50
  Of their bodies because of bare. Barely even.
• 2:30:53
  That at this point, because he had used so many fucking
• 2:30:56
  chemicals that like. There was there was one kid that
• 2:30:59
  there was one kid that his mother remembered.
• 2:31:03
  He had gotten an X-ray, an X-ray for something that would have
• 2:31:07
  not dental, but she just remembered that it was like I
• 2:31:10
  think for his neck, but she just chanced the arm that the teeth
• 2:31:15
  would be in the the the X-ray and it turns out that they were.
• 2:31:20
  So then she went and brought the X-rays to these guys that were
• 2:31:25
  trying to figure out who these bodies belong to and they
• 2:31:27
  weren't able to match up their dental records because again,
• 2:31:30
  born every everything will fucking rot away with teeth will
• 2:31:33
  not possibly enamel. So, so they were actually able
• 2:31:37
  to get I think in 2016 was the last thing they actually
• 2:31:41
  identified someone. Yeah.
• 2:31:42
  So and that was, yeah, again, I have that here.
• 2:31:46
  Obviously DNA, the science point DNA is actually after catching
• 2:31:50
  up a lot like. Since booking 70s.
• 2:31:52
  And stuff like what the cops are doing now, well, again, the
• 2:31:54
  dental records were key back in the day because you didn't have
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  anything else. You couldn't just look a hair
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  off the head and like, run this through the scanner.
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  There's no such thing that that fucking technology was fucking
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  alien back then. Like you couldn't do it.
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  But what they could match teeth to pictures.
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  So dental records played a big part of identifying these
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  bodies. You can.
• 2:32:15
  Imagine as you. Say Danny they're so deep fire
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  decomposed that all that's left on some of these bodies were eat
• 2:32:20
  that's fucked yeah yeah, I'm like it's it's been like years
• 2:32:24
  since then but. Since obviously the whole, the
• 2:32:27
  whole. Thing happened, there have been
• 2:32:29
  out of the 8 bodies that were unidentified, 2 have been, which
• 2:32:35
  is really good. And two families have come
• 2:32:37
  forward and they've they've claimed these bodies and all
• 2:32:40
  this, but there are still 6 who are unidentified.
• 2:32:43
  And then we still have to take it back to poor Robert, who his
• 2:32:47
  body was never found. And so if his body was never
• 2:32:50
  found, we don't know how many others weren't.
• 2:32:54
  We might only know about Robert because his family have come
• 2:32:58
  forward and report him as missing.
• 2:32:59
  There could be countless others that he dumped in that river.
• 2:33:01
  Yeah. And like, he always just like
• 2:33:03
  played games with the cops and he always like, you know,
• 2:33:05
  towards the end, he just changed his story.
• 2:33:07
  And even, you know, he always thought that he was a step
• 2:33:10
  ahead. He always thought that he was
• 2:33:11
  smarter. So he was just like, oh, yeah.
• 2:33:13
  Like, you know, I didn't kill those guys.
• 2:33:15
  Oh, it was other guys. Oh, there was other bodies down
• 2:33:17
  there. And you know, he just like had
• 2:33:19
  this like endless string of like this arrogant, I'm so smart, I'm
• 2:33:24
  so much smarter than everyone else.
• 2:33:26
  And basically like they would they went back and like the
• 2:33:28
  reason which kind of gets me is that they.
• 2:33:32
  He knew they were going to RIP apart his house looking for
• 2:33:35
  these bodies. Not first he had spray painted
• 2:33:37
  around the part where, well, the the parts of the house where it
• 2:33:41
  wouldn't kind of cause too much damage.
• 2:33:43
  But then when I got to a point where they were like, OK, we're
• 2:33:45
  going to be looking into the interior of your house.
• 2:33:48
  He's like, wait, no, stop. And to just to avoid them
• 2:33:53
  wrecking his carpet that he had paid for.
• 2:33:57
  He's like, I'll show, don't ruin my carpet because he didn't like
• 2:34:00
  he would ever have the point that, you know, the option to go
• 2:34:03
  back. To this House.
• 2:34:05
  He was just like, no, you're gonna wreck the carpet.
• 2:34:07
  I'll just show you. I'll just show you what's why
• 2:34:09
  you're over here. You can just imagine, like the
• 2:34:10
  cops coming in to search his house for.
• 2:34:12
  Show us the fucking audacity of this man.
• 2:34:19
  Yeah. Like can you?
• 2:34:22
  Just. You know anyway, guys, next week
• 2:34:23
  is going to be sunshine lollipops and.
• 2:34:28
  Rainbows everywhere. But yeah, this, this was a heavy
• 2:34:31
  two weeks. We are very sorry I'm.
• 2:34:33
  Not I loved it, but yeah, this is kind of something we had
• 2:34:38
  planned on doing months ago. I finally got the notes ready on
• 2:34:42
  it. So that's why we had to do it
• 2:34:44
  because they weren't going to it.
• 2:34:45
  That was a big 1-2 parter was the way to go.
• 2:34:48
  Absolutely. It was, it was, it was tough.
• 2:34:51
  And a lot of it. I did I, I.
• 2:34:54
  Went through a lot of it for over the past two weeks.
• 2:34:57
  It was very hard to kind of like either cut out enough but also
• 2:35:01
  leave enough in to talk about. So it was it was like, yeah, it
• 2:35:07
  wasn't a nice thing to go through and I'm very excited
• 2:35:09
  for. I'm not doing any work next
• 2:35:11
  week, guys. This is all the Boys episodes
• 2:35:15
  the next week. I'm done.
• 2:35:18
  You. You too can.
• 2:35:20
  Figure that out. I I do have a list.
• 2:35:22
  I have a list and I I can happily write an episode you I'm
• 2:35:27
  very. Unlike the.
• 2:35:28
  Americans, we're willing to release the list.
• 2:35:34
  What are your give me like your? Top your top three.
• 2:35:37
  Topics Ocean that you want to talk about?
• 2:35:39
  I would actually. Genuinely like to talk about
• 2:35:41
  America as a country starting starting.
• 2:35:45
  Off with the whole Puritan thing, yeah.
• 2:35:48
  And the inception, yeah. And the fact that like the the
• 2:35:53
  Puritan origins. Are still.
• 2:35:55
  What's shaping America today? Yeah, the Bible Belt.
• 2:35:59
  That's good. Let's let's just do it now.
• 2:36:01
  Have you got Have you got 2 1/2 hours to go?
• 2:36:02
  That we do this. I'd like to do an episode on
• 2:36:06
  prohibition as well because again, like it ties, it ties.
• 2:36:09
  In look at me, I've seen Baron, I haven't you, but it ties in it
• 2:36:12
  ties in with like, you know, the Puritan puritanism.
• 2:36:15
  While also like everything else, was just so.
• 2:36:17
  Like corrupt around us. What else would I like?
• 2:36:21
  I'd like to do an episode on a bat on the Banshee.
• 2:36:24
  We've we've done the Banshee. So you.
• 2:36:27
  Yeah, you're too. You're too late.
• 2:36:28
  No, that was the last. Episode.
• 2:36:30
  That was a lot. The Banshee's definitely not
• 2:36:31
  lost. What is it?
• 2:36:33
  I don't. Know what we're doing?
• 2:36:35
  Yes, it was the. Banshee again, but we our
• 2:36:38
  conclusion was it. Was just there.
• 2:36:39
  It was just Fox's writing, so. That's TuneIn next week for the
• 2:36:44
  sounds of Fox's writing. Foxes, right?
• 2:36:48
  The foxes, right, Right. Ladies and gentlemen, that has.
• 2:36:51
  Been hocus. Pocus lack of focus that.
• 2:36:54
  Has been John Wayne Gacy the. Reason why you are possibly
• 2:36:57
  scared of clowns right now. I've been justy.
• 2:37:01
  She's been very diligent with her notes.
• 2:37:06
  He's been keeping us on track. God damn right.
• 2:37:09
  Yeah, you've you've been not existing.
• 2:37:14
  Thank you. For hanging out with us for the
• 2:37:16
  spell, goodbye. Like and subscribe.