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Arch Manning vs Dante Moore, Deep Dive into 2027 QB Class, Rookie OTA Storylines, NFL Rookie Fits & Sleepers · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on my people? How are
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  Speaker 1: we doing? John Middlecoff three Now Podcast. Hopefully everyone had
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  Speaker 1: a good Mother's day, had a good weekend for your
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  Speaker 1: own moms, your wives, your fiancees, your girlfriends, your baby mama's,
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  Speaker 1: whoever it may be, and you had a good weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, because I had Sunday kind of
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  Speaker 1: booked around my own family, I told Jackson, producer Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: I said, let's get together a couple days before Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: We actually recorded this on Friday talk some twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven draft talk some of these rookies heading into the
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  Speaker 1: mini camps which are all starting this upcoming week and
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  Speaker 1: you know, through the end of May into June, and
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  Speaker 1: just talk a little ball nerd out. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what we did. Actually recorded this about forty
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  Speaker 1: And let's just dive into me and producer Jackson. So
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  Speaker 1: we we thought we would do a little look ahead
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  Speaker 1: to the twenty seven quarterback Draft, because I I've seen
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  Speaker 1: a couple of different websites and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: arch is right in my face. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think officially we had rookie mini camps that didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: the first week, happened this weekend. So by the end
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  Speaker 1: of or start of Monday Tuesday, depending you know the team,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of really ramp on or into the practices.
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  Speaker 1: All the people are on the field, the rookies, the veterans,
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  Speaker 1: unless you're like a Miles Garrett or some I mean,
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  Speaker 1: some of these guys don't show up to the non
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  Speaker 1: voluntary but I would say the overwhelming majority of players
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  Speaker 1: are on the field. With the coaches. I mean, shit,
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  Speaker 1: we had ten new coaching staffs because we had ten
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  Speaker 1: job openings, right, So I guess Joe Brady's technically a carryover.
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  Speaker 1: But we have a lot of turnover all over the
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  Speaker 1: league free agency every year, so we'll kind of dive
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  Speaker 1: into some of that. How rookie fits. I thought we'd
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  Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit and again, Happy Mother's
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  Speaker 1: Day and hopefully everyone enjoyed themselves last weekend. So I thought,
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  Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. We will start with some college
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  Speaker 1: football stuff. And for those of you that don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I would put Jackson in, like, you know, there's like
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  Speaker 1: one percenters are rich people, and then there's like Bezos's
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  Speaker 1: and Elons that are like they don't even have anything
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  Speaker 1: in common with the one percent. They're in like their
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  Speaker 1: own little universe. I'd put you that way. With college football.
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  Speaker 1: You're not just a lover of college football. You're Diard
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan, but you just you just there's something real,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you go to a smaller school. You
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  Speaker 1: went to Montana, and I'm sure you were already a
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  Speaker 1: massive Notre Dame fan before that, but it's just it
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  Speaker 1: really hammers home how cool college football is. And you're
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  Speaker 1: probably one of the biggest fans that I know, Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought you'd run point guard. You know, a
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  Speaker 1: little before your time, a guy named John Stockton used
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  Speaker 1: to old school, just pasted Carl Malone, passes Jeff Horniseck.
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  Speaker 1: So you lead the way and we'll just follow the leader. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the biggest compliment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually about to start prepping for college football because
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  Speaker 2: I'm not like Josh Paid or some of those people
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  Speaker 2: trying to establish when you talk about collegeball year round, like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you haven't really You've been so focused on
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  Speaker 2: the NFL where it's like the college football teams and
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  Speaker 2: stuff you don't really talk about until you know, July
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  Speaker 2: and August. But then when you're around all these college guys,
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of like a grown dad, you know, your
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  Speaker 2: dad me looking at all these twenty twenty six guys
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  Speaker 2: that played collegeetball the last couple of years, transitioning to
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  Speaker 2: OTAs and then even the twenty twenty seven class, like,
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  Speaker 2: there's so many storylines. But we had a good discussion beforehand.
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  Speaker 2: We could start with that on just the quarter back
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  Speaker 2: pressure for some of these twenty twenty seven quarterback prospects.
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  Speaker 1: Because a year.
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  Speaker 2: Ago arch Manning was the number one overall pick, it
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  Speaker 2: was gonna happen in twenty twenty six. I think you
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  Speaker 2: and I were in the boat that it was gonna
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  Speaker 2: be an extra year for arch Manning. It wasn't going
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  Speaker 2: to be him having a one and done year at Texas.
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  Speaker 2: This was the same hype with Quinn Eewers years before that.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of took him longer to kind of progress
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  Speaker 2: and he ended up being a seventh thron pick. But
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  Speaker 2: the first topic is just kind of the quarterback pressure
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  Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty seven prospects, because a year ago,
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  Speaker 2: also we were here talking about nuss Meyer club Nick
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  Speaker 2: Aler being top ten guys, and then fast forward to
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  Speaker 2: the NFL Draft, they all plummeted. They were in the
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  Speaker 2: third day. Carson Beck, even though he had a good year,
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  Speaker 2: was kind of supposed to be a top ten pick
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  Speaker 2: and then he had a good year, round three guy.
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  Speaker 2: So just kind of talk about the quarterback pressure of
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  Speaker 2: some of these twenty twenty seven guys, because even though
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  Speaker 2: if you have a good year in twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five or previous years, it seems like
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  Speaker 2: the recent draft years of quarterbacks, it's all about show
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  Speaker 2: me what you've done this year, your body of this year,
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  Speaker 2: so that you can transition to the NFL smoothly.
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  Speaker 1: For some of these prospects, well, maybe I could just
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  Speaker 1: jump the gun on this because I've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: it a little bit later. But I think one thing
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  Speaker 1: is very clear in the NFL now when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to prospects. You can be a defensive lineman or a
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  Speaker 1: corner or you know, a safety, a wide receiver and
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  Speaker 1: have a down year if you're a blue chip prospect,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a guy viewed as really really high. Last year,
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  Speaker 1: Peter Woods Falk from Auburn, who both went in the
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  Speaker 1: twenties to Titans and the Chiefs. They were viewed as
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  Speaker 1: guys that go in the top ten. I mean, Falk
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  Speaker 1: was viewed as a guy he was on mock drafts
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  Speaker 1: like low single digits. I remember, It's like I was
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  Speaker 1: seeing like three, four or five. You could have a
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  Speaker 1: shitty year relative I'm sure obviously they still make some
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  Speaker 1: plays and still go in the first round. That is
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  Speaker 1: not the case with quarterbacks. You have to play well.
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  Speaker 1: Think about this, you know, Josh Payate type would know,
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  Speaker 1: and people in the South if you're a big Alabama fan,
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  Speaker 1: but the majority of casual football fans, they're gonna watch
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  Speaker 1: five or six big Alabama games through the year. Had
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  Speaker 1: never heard of Ty Simpson last year, and we can
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  Speaker 1: debate all we want. He went thirteenth overall. Fernando Mendoza,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Indiana took a I would say, much different
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  Speaker 1: step last year. I'm not even talking to the national championship,
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  Speaker 1: but just the way they're discussed. Once you have a
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  Speaker 1: season like that. Then last year I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: gonna come back to Worth and win like seven or
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  Speaker 1: eight games. But I don't think the majority of people
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Fernando Mendoza either. So foot quarterbacks the position,
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  Speaker 1: Like I remember jeremih Love, We've been talking about it
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  Speaker 1: for like three years. Like Cardinell Tait, we could debate
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  Speaker 1: where he was drafted. I've watched most casual fans have
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  Speaker 1: been seeing him forever. So you look like the position players. Quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta produce. That's why the arch hype. I don't know, man,
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  Speaker 1: I know you got a buddy on the staff. Their
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  Speaker 1: team is absolutely loaded, right, They got maybe the best
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  Speaker 1: left tackle, maybe the best pass rusher, maybe the best.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to say the best because Jeremiah Smith feels
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  Speaker 1: entrenched like.
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  Speaker 2: One bye, Like can he be one B? Kim Coleman,
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  Speaker 2: like I think he's that good. Obviously it's tough to
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  Speaker 2: be Jeremiah Smith. But Coleman with a decent quarterback. He's
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  Speaker 2: had Peyton Thorn and Jackson Arnold.
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  Speaker 1: The last two years. How many guys on their roster
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  Speaker 1: two that maybe are up and coming that we don't
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  Speaker 1: like Ohio State last year, all of a sudden, Sonny
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  Speaker 1: Styles or rvel re I guess Sonny Styles have been playing,
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  Speaker 1: but rvel Reese like TeX's gonna have some of those
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  Speaker 1: guys on offense specifically, it's like, oh, they got you know,
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  Speaker 1: the second best tight end in the country. Like that
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. Yeah. I looked at arch Manning schedule
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  Speaker 1: yesterday on the show, and it's the get Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: at home. But my guess is there an underdog in
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  Speaker 1: that game? You know? It would be my guest. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the look aheadline is, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: see how in any world Texas could be favored in
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  Speaker 1: that spot. Actually, you know, clearly if you play him
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  Speaker 1: like week eight and it's well established, but going into
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  Speaker 1: a season, Ohio State would have to be favored in
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  Speaker 1: that game, you think.
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  Speaker 2: So, I feel like preseason hype with Arch the books
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  Speaker 2: would kind of make it lean towards Texas and it
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  Speaker 2: being at home.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that'd be a hammer Ohio State and I'm
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State hater, but that that seems pretty crazy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: for I mean, they punked and it's players be a
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  Speaker 1: little different. But as we know, like we've seen guys
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  Speaker 1: coming up. Two years ago, they won the national championship
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  Speaker 1: with all those senior guys, and it's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all those senior guys that were drafting like the third, fourth,
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  Speaker 1: and fifth round to the Colts and the Steelers and
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  Speaker 1: all over the league. We're gonna come back with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of RVL Reese's guys that the casual fan had
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  Speaker 1: never heard of, and he's gonna go five overall and
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  Speaker 1: people are gonna think he dropped, you know. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like that's what Ohio State brings the table, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and their coaches are just pro. Matt Patricia was a
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  Speaker 1: pretty unreal college defensive coordinator last year. So I think
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  Speaker 1: the pressure on Arch, which is not his fault. He
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  Speaker 1: was Arch middle cooff. He would not be being discussed
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  Speaker 1: like this. I think it's kind of absurd because coming
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  Speaker 1: into the year, Dante Moore has proven way more one.
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  Speaker 1: Arch throws the ball weird. He just throws the ball weird.
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  Speaker 1: Now maybe it was his shoulder was injured, but I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you watch a lot of college football. I mean, don't
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  Speaker 1: you think I'm not saying he's t both throwing the ball,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like a funky release.
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  Speaker 2: I know everyone was talking about, like what are Peyton
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  Speaker 2: and Eli teaching you with his footwork trying to throw
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  Speaker 2: its side arm. I do think though the bright side
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  Speaker 2: of Arch was after that Mississippi State game, towards the
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  Speaker 2: back end of the season, he was processing better and
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  Speaker 2: who knows, maybe because it was less pressure off of him,
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  Speaker 2: not a lot of people. I think Texas was kind
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  Speaker 2: of out of the playoff picture. Three losses, the Arch
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  Speaker 2: Manning hype turned into hate. He kind of started playing
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  Speaker 2: more free, the offensive line got better, the receivers didn't
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  Speaker 2: really have that number one, So I give what you mean, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Arch should be one. Overall, I
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  Speaker 2: would trust, like with my life, I would try as
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore, maybe even a coin flip. I'm just in
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  Speaker 2: terms of like the potential of like a CJ. Car
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  Speaker 2: or someone more reliable in those offenses versus Arch, who
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  Speaker 2: we've seen just.
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  Speaker 1: Like the ups and downs. I would rather take a CJ.
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  Speaker 2: Car on steady play that we saw last year in
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  Speaker 2: his first season than from Arch Manning. It's just a
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  Speaker 2: sticky situation overall, and I don't want to run.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not shitting on the guy, like I know it's
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  Speaker 1: high character, like his athletic ability, what he what he
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  Speaker 1: did in the Citrus Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's a bowl game, but he ran Oliver Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: which was impressive. The A and M game was also
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  Speaker 2: impressive when they had the number two team come in
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  Speaker 2: and they won.
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  Speaker 1: That football game. But he's not gonna get drafted number
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  Speaker 1: one to run the ball, like he's getting drafted to
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  Speaker 1: throw the ball. And he has to improve dramatically before
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  Speaker 1: we can stay with the straight face. He's a no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it, first round pick, or I mean first
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  Speaker 1: overall pick. And with that schedule they make playoff, geez,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna And then it's like, Okay, I saw you
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  Speaker 1: against Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: I saw you against Ohio State, saw you against LSU,
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  Speaker 2: and Blake Baker saw you on the road. I think
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: they play four this year on the road, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be You're right, it's gonna be a legit season.
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  Speaker 1: A and M at Texas A and M.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's against Elko. Is gonna best
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  Speaker 2: playoff on the line.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus if he's the if you tell me he's the
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  Speaker 1: number one overall pick, because I I just think that
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  Speaker 1: these teams get way less emotional about this stuff than
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  Speaker 1: the I mean, the mock drafts put him there for
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  Speaker 1: a reason. It gets clicks. It's like Bronni used to
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  Speaker 1: go in top tens of mock drafts, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's I understand it. And if he if they're eleven
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  Speaker 1: and one, if they beat Ohio State, they would have
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  Speaker 1: a chance to be like an eleven in one team
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  Speaker 1: and clearly they'd be a top two or three seed,
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  Speaker 1: depending you know how Georgia's record was, or Bama whoever.
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  Speaker 1: They play LSU and they play in the SEC championship game.
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  Speaker 1: But assuming I guess the SEC the championship game is
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  Speaker 1: still happening as of right now, it feels like they are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, still happening. Twenty fourteen playoff wants to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But I just think that's overly ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: I think he has an I just don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: even arguable he has by far, of all the big
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  Speaker 1: names in college football that we talk about that have
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  Speaker 1: earned the spot being there, like through their elite play
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  Speaker 1: all positions, but specifically quarterbacks like Dante Moore, has earned
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  Speaker 1: the right to be discussed as a top five, top
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  Speaker 1: ten pick, and obviously if your top ten pick is
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback, you typically go like one or two, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so I no issue. Caleb Williams. He won a Heisman
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  Speaker 1: as a sophomore. You know, Andrew luck was he by
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  Speaker 1: the time he was a Redchard sophomore, it was clear
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  Speaker 1: he's like the best player in the country. So it's
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  Speaker 1: like part of this is are you the best player
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  Speaker 1: in the country or one of them? You know, Fernando Mendoza,
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  Speaker 1: I think people were riffy on him, and then he
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  Speaker 1: had one of the greatest stretches against the entire draft.
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  Speaker 1: He faced the entire draft in his playoff run. So
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  Speaker 1: ty Simpson played like really good football against really good
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  Speaker 1: teams until he kind of fell off a map. Again,
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  Speaker 1: if our chance of season like ty Simpson, he'll be
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  Speaker 1: in pretty good shape. But he's got to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just about running, like we know he's
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  Speaker 1: a good athlete, but accuracy really really matters. I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, Dante Moore played those
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  Speaker 1: guys in Texas Tech. That game was a really tough watch.
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  Speaker 1: Remember it was like a nine am Pacific Standard time
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  Speaker 1: playoff game. Baron Morton sixth round pick Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Who's that the quarterback, the Texas Tech quarterback. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: got drafted like six or seventh round of the Patriots. Seriously, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I don't know. I know him and the
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  Speaker 2: Rutgers QB kinda sixth round, seventh round potential backups.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought I kind of like the Rutgers QB's
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  Speaker 1: not bad. I watched a couple of Rutgers games over
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  Speaker 1: the course of last.
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  Speaker 2: Couple sneaky athlete and he kind of fits like he
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  Speaker 2: just fits with Jaden Daniels and like the type of
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  Speaker 2: offense they want to run with him too, that that fits.
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  Speaker 2: But Morton was just I don't know if Mike Rabil
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  Speaker 2: probably wasn't in the draft he for that pick, but
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  Speaker 2: that pick Morton was horrible. But to your point about
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  Speaker 2: Dante Moore, another thing no one really talks about is
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  Speaker 2: his receiver room was very banged up.
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  Speaker 1: The Iowa game. He made some throw I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 1: the Penn State game everyone's gonna talk about.
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  Speaker 2: The toughness out of him was something that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: see in that environment. For him to kind of just
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  Speaker 2: get back up and continue to keep going. I think
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  Speaker 2: of the Iowa game I think of the Washington game,
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  Speaker 2: that big throw on third and ten that he had
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  Speaker 2: to leak Benson, who was a six round pick out.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Raiders.
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  Speaker 2: So this year they're gonna have Decrey Moore, They're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have Evan Stewart who's a year off who used to
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  Speaker 2: play at Texas A and m who was at Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: It was that second wide receiver on the year that
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel was there. But in terms of you're right,
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  Speaker 2: like Dante Moore, we've seen that he can take the
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  Speaker 2: next leave, especially with all the returns coming back, you
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  Speaker 2: feel better gun to your head him being a top
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  Speaker 2: five pick versus Arch Manning, who even if he has
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  Speaker 2: a decent season, don't you think some team's gonna reach
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  Speaker 2: for him just because of the name and the potential
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  Speaker 2: of Arch Like the Dolphins could reach for him, or
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: the Jets could reach for him.
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  Speaker 1: I get teams like, even if.
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  Speaker 2: He has a terrible season, the hype around him in
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  Speaker 2: the combine, in the Pro Day, he still will end
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  Speaker 2: up a top ten games.
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  Speaker 1: Well, historically the Mannings have stayed till their eligibility was over.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Peyton went back to school, played a senior
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  Speaker 1: year to try to beat Florida. Eli was a senior.
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  Speaker 1: This is a family that and now with Nil, I
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: mean Arch is rich independently of his family. Now I
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: don't know Cooper's economic status. It's not like Eli or Peyton's,
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  Speaker 1: but like our Arch is okay. There is no guarantee
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  Speaker 1: that Arch is just beating down the drums if he's
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  Speaker 1: not a really, really good player. But if he has
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  Speaker 1: a good season, then yeah, there's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hype and he'll go in the first round. I
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  Speaker 1: would not equate last I would say last year they
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  Speaker 1: were by far him in the hype. He didn't create
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: the hype. His name did, and then everyone talking about him.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: But I would say the Texas program was probably the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: biggest underachiever of the season given the hype. I mean,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: you guys lost two crazy close games to two playoff
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: teams and one team that could have won the national championship.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: And the problem is you guys never don't play anybody,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: so uh, I don't know if anyone's googled the Notre
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Dame schedule this year, it's not much better. But hey, Miami, BYU.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: But to your point about Texas, my only arguments of that
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: would be Clemson. Penn State were pretty bad downfalls in
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: college fooball last year too, but Texas true with Arch Manning,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: pen Sate, Penn State was non ideal.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Penn State Penn State would clearly be one given that
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: James Franklin got fired in the middle of the season,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: which I would have said no one saw coming, including
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: James Franklin, and they lost to UCLA as I think
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: like a twenty eight to thirty point Tim Skipper crushing
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: at Calpoli now. But yeah, I just think the quarterback
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: class is going to be, to me, headlined by those
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: two guys. Arch is the headliner. That's where I think
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: people when you tell someone we can argue between Josh
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Allen and Lamar Jackson or you know, Lebron and Steph Curry.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: There's no debating there. They're both sweet, right, I think
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: the argument on Arch if you like love the Manning
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: family and like we're a big Peyton fan, or love
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: d Lif if you're a Giants fan, like I'm just
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: watching this guy. Don't think he's that good. You know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that's you know, and there's there's just a lot of
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: other names quarterbacks. Also, Mendoza came out of nowhere. Cam
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Ward was not viewed very high. Jaydon Daniels the previous
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: year was not viewed that high. You would say Drake was,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but I mean over Joe Burrow was definitely not Joe
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Burrow in till twenty nineteen. Quarterbacks can the fickle nature
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: of the position is to me way unlike established big
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: names of other positions, Like all the big names you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: see in the top. If you just pull up a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: mock draft and we just took out the top twenty
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: five non quarterback names, like if they're let's say they're
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: six or seven quarterbacks, you remove those guys. If those
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: guys are healthy, the majority of those guys are gonna
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: be top fifty ish picks. Right, And the andart and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the D lineman and o' linemen are probably gonna be
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: first round. Now, whether they go six or whether they
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: go twenty eight depends on how they play, but they're
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: going high. You know, like South Carolina pass rusher who
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: looks like Von Miller kind of if he has an
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: awful year, he's probably still going twenty four. If he
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: has a great year, maybe he goes four. Right, So
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it's as a quarterback you have a shitty year or
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: something bad happens. I don't know if Garrett ness Meyer
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: was ever going top ten, but he was probably going
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: top fifty, and all of a sudden he's seventh round
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: pick and the dude from Cincinnati's taking above him.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I was so confident in Kate Klubnick heading into this year,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: and then he just shit the bet.
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. To your point about that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's what's so interesting about the quarterback class. It does
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: have a lot of hype.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously we talked archmanding Dante more of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: two top guys, and then you have a bunch of
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: like swing wild card quarterbacks that are in the middle.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: CJ.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Carr, Lenora Sellers, who's just a physically freakish athlete with
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a horrible offensive line last year for South Carolina, a
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: wide receiver who runs a ten flag on the on
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the hundred meter but can't catch for shit, So how
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: does that how does that transition this year? And then
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you have like a guy like Tredadd Chambliss, who had
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: one of the most unbelievable underdog stories of last year,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and he's a confident thrower within the pocket, he can move,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: he can scramble, but he's six foot five eleven five
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: ten maybe, So it's like, how do you if you're
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: an evaluator of a guy like that who's shown more
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: production and more in those big moments against against Miami
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: at Georgia versus like kind of the more physically gifted
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: guys like a Leonora's Sellers, or even like a Brennan
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Swaresby if he plays Who's.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Who's that kind of second is your favorite quarterback of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: that group. I like CJ. Carr Man.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I think he's kind of the quietest quarterback prospect. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people will kind of go towards well.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He had Jeremiah Love, he had jadari on Price, he
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: had the running game there. This year it's gonna be
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: more on his shoulders with the passing game with den Brock,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: because they don't. You Obviously, when you lose two first
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: round running backs, it's gonna be hard to replace, even
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: though the last couple of years notre name has had,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you know, a premier recruiting class. But I think he's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the guy six three two fifteen. He's a leader, he's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: got a big arm. His first two games were at
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Miami and A and M and his first throw was
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a no looker against one of the best defenses in
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the country. So you go into year two with the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: with the receiver group that they're all fully returned, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: offensive line that's good. I just think he's a smart
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: quarterback that truly plays from within the pocket, who's not
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: afraid to push the ball in the middle of the field.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: That he's got good pocket presence too. But he would
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: be a guy to me that not a lot of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: people are talking about because he's not this big, flashy name.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: He doesn't really have a lot of clothes, he's not
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: being in a social media He's just a quiet reserve
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: guy that could sneak up on draft boards and could
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: be a guy we talked about it to be a
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: top ten especially like you said, the schedule's not great.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: They're gonna throw it a ton.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Which will give him a lot of reps and obviously
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the numbers and accuracy production that you want to see
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: out of a top ten guy. But he to me
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: would be I would pick him. Sellers is good, but
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it's like, can he process? Does he understand the quarterback position,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: which we'll see with Kendall Bryle's coming in, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Art Briles, that kind of offense and what South Carolina
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: is gonna be forward. But to me, I just I
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: think CJ. Card no one's talking about.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He would be a guy that I would put that
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: we're talking about March April being a top ten quarterback
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is at number three? Want to take him over Julian
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: saying at least for sure? Yeah, I mean saying looks
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: like Ty Simpson. Are we sure saying's gonna start. It's
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a good question, just you know, yeah, programs like that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: because as a buddy texts me, who was not on
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the ty Simpson train, He's like, does everyone know that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: ty Simpson, if he did transfer, was transferring for a reason.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: They were not gonna be He wasn't gonna be the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: starter anymore like that. It was so it's like, I again,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not this is not my opinion. This is a fact.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: He was not gonna start at Alabama next year. But
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: they got this five star guy behind him who's been
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: there making big money. Remember that the Clipton went viral
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: last year of him talking to the assistant coach like
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: was it lsu or Georgia? And Debor comes and grabs
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: him like that guy was starting. Russell, you know, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the one name that is kind of falling off who
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: early on was like, is this guy gonna win the Heisman?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Breaks his hand? Obviously, the rest of the season's very,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you know, not great. Oklahoma had a great defense. John
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Mattier was awesome until that hand injury, and I respect
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the shit out of him. I actually think he'll get
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: credit if he has a great season. He did everything
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: humanly possible, like he was Baker Mayfield or whatever and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: been in the program for years to come back for
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the Texas game, right, and then he had one of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the worst games you're ever gonna see. It so bad,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: it was bad. He was forcing everything. When I was
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: at the combine, I was walking back to the hotel.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: It was after we had dinner, and I ran into
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this guy and we started talking. He used to coach
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma for like the last three or four years. He's
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: now moved on as assistant coach in the NFL. He
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: got a pretty good gig with a good team, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: we have a mutual buddy because I got no one
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of the guys on staff that works for Jim Naggy
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and I started asking about John Matier. I'm like, what's
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: the deal man happened? He's like, does anyone realize how
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: messed up his hand was and how he came back?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: This is a defensive assistant. He's like, I love the guy.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: We love the guy. The team loved the guy. He's
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the player you saw before the hand injury that if
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, that's that guy. So you know our buckle.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The coordinator that came with him from was where was
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: it Washington State. Pretty good resume of guys transferring. Uh,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I just think there are a lot of There are
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of materiars Hoover. Remember last year John Spytech
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: went on a scouting mission to watch TCU, to watch
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Hoover because you know, middle of the season, it wasn't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: clear who was who where guys were gonna go. That
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: guy's now at Indiana who, So you just the Oklahoma
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: State guys getting a ton of hype coming from North Texas.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Is a guy most people like me, you've probably seen
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: some snaps, have never seen throw, but there's a lot
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of hype on him. Oklahoma State when they're playing a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham team a Texas Tech, they're gonna be a
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: lot of scouts there. There guy, everyone's going into these schools.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: So the class is this is where you gotta be
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: careful about arch If that guy at Oklahoma State or
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: John Mattier or CJ. Carr or whoever, like they dominate
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like Caleb did or Jayden Daniels did, or Cam Moore
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: did like they usually go one. That's just how fast
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it happens.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: So one point, Hoover was like a projected top fifteen pick.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Like mid year of college football. I saw a bunch
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: of mock drafts. People were taking him too the Rams
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: at like fifteen or thirteen or whatever at the point,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: except that he was and he was starting a lot
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: of interceptions late with TCU, and you know he's gonna transition,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: especially when he's got Nick marsh and Charlie Becker, who hello,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: are going to be first round wide receivers.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: In this twenty twenty seven class that he will have
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: in Indiana. I'd be lying if I watched much Cincinnati
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Big twelve foot. I didn't watch much Big twelve football
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: last year beside a little BYU in Texas Tech. It
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just was it just the conference was way down, was
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: way down. You know, obviously it's changed in Texas and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma left, but it's you know, it's like.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech BYU, maybe ASU Arizona.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I think Arizona won nine games last year. It's just
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the conference is not great. But since like you look
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: at Soresby's numbers and we'll see how that plays out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's praying that he can just stay in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: college and work. It's how he threw forty eight touchdowns,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, he I think there are a lot of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: question marks there. Two. But that's a great part about quarterback.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: You can really really impact your draft status where I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: hope this doesn't happen. It's probably it's not gonna happen
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: if Jeremiah Love today just said, or not Jeremih Love,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: but Jeremih Smith, you know it's not worth I love
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. I've already won a championship here. Obviously led
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: us back or was a big part of going back
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs, played enormous games last few years. I
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: just got too much on the line, Like I'm already
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: rich the seven million dollars you're paying me or whatever.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: It's like, I don't want to shatter my knee. Who
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: was the oh, the Notre Dame guy, Remember the Notre
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Dame linebacker Gonzelhiose State in the bowl game. It's like, yeah,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Jylen Smith, Jalen Smith, who was like gonna go be
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a top like ten fifteen. He's like Sonny Sous but
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: better in college, and like, I'm not gonna risk it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: The NFL would not care at all. Right, He's he's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: did Jamar Chase do that? Yeah? But that was like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: COVID and shit, they were just like, I'm not playing
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this fake Fugazi season. A bunch of guys did, Michah Parsons,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Pine Sewel. But I think you could do it now
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: if you are the level of a quarterback. Couldn't pull
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it off, I don't think, but a position player could
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: do it pretty easily. But they're like, I'm getting seven million.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You know, most Rutgers in Maryland ain't gonna cover me.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So it's just I gotta be careful. But that's the thing.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's football. You can't really think like that. It's a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: tough spot. You either got to be all in or
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: all out. Yeah. Yeah, A lot a lot of guys
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: did it the twenty twenty year and rightfully. So my
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: last guy I want to mention before we move on.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Do you watch much of Jade and Mayava the USC quarterback,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Like he's another guy too that could be Uh, Coward
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: pumps him up.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I mean he sleeps, Coward loves the I mean he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: loves USC. UNLV transfer right, yeah, UNLB transferred played last
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: year with McKayle Lemon and with Jacoby Lane. I think
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: he's I mean, he could be another guy that like
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: we talk about with the Hoovers and the other guys
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that no one really talked about that could just rise.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And maybe USC has that Lincoln Riley, you know, dream
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: season and he's talked about as a top ten, top
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: fifteen pick, but very possible.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So that's the point of the quarterback play. There are
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of guys that no one's talking
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: about that come out of nowhere. And boy, it literally
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: happens every year.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they play Ohio State, Oregon in Indiana. No Notre
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Dame though, because no Notre.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Dame that game it's officially done. Now, yeah they don't
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: they don't play this year. I know. Yeah, I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: let's just let's end on this. Marcus Freeman stud the players,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: they're producing studs programs. What we got going on on
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this NBC contract to hold all the money and then
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: fucking play Nobody is just like, you guys are too
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: good at this point to be doing this. And now
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: people because the conferences have grown, are just I disagree
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: with the USC thing. Like I'm on the Keyshawn's and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the Matt Lionerd side on you should keep playing this game, Petros,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but it is what it is like it happened, and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: they're not playing now, and it just sucks. Like I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: just one nugget before we go to some of these rookies.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Recruiting is going on in college football right now, so
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: all the assistants are all over the country and the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: main hotspots, you know, Florida, Texas, Georgia, California. I talked
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to a buddy who was down in so called main
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: high schools with you know, he's at an up and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: coming school and he's just around everybody. There's a lot
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of you know, it's like the combine. Everyone's just talking about.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: One rumor going right now is these teams, like the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Power Conferences are going to cap players and coaches the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: amount of money you can make. So it's like, because
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the salary cap right now went from like ten million
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: two years ago, I mean there is none, but like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you know, ten million dollars rostered to fifty million dollars
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: at this pace, are gonna be like the NFL, right
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: so they're gonna try to limit but they can't limit
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the players without limiting the coaches. So basically, the most
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you can make in the SEC in twenty twenty seven
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is ten million dollars. You know, you can probably pay
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a coach four million dollars, but there's gonna be a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: maximum amount. And I think what they're gonna try to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: do again, There are a lot of rumors flying around
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: out there on the recruiting trail with these coaches, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they feel confident this is coming because it's so out
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of control. Is there's got to be some sort of
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you know, in the NFL. I can't steal Sean McVay
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: if I'm the New York Giants and I think they
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: want some of or I can't just take, you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I can't just try to sign Josh Allen or Miles
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Garrett like they're under contract with other teams. And I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: do think some legislation internally in conferences is coming down
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to some contract coaches and players. Because the money's so
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: big now everyone's getting rich, there has to be some
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: parameter set in. And what I was told then is
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: everyone there's going to be the conferences that pay the players,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: which are you know, Notre Dame will eventually kind of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: funnel their way in however this plays out, and then
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: schools like obviously the small schools Cow poly Montana, but
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: even to Fresno State, San Diego State, like the lower
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: levels there just won't be any money there. So either
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: making money or you're at these lower schools and there's
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: no different in Fresnoe State in Montana, and it's all
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: gonna where to see.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: We're to see like like Utah or like BYU or
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: are they getting their money through like private equity or
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: something that I saw like from elsewhere trying to you know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: store their program. I saw today actually that Michigan put
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: a stockhold You ever seen Michigan put a stockhold on
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: open AI a couple of years back, like twenty million
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: dollars and they got it back today or the evaluation
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of it's worth two billion.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Jesus you did that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: So it's like Michigan, like, damn, you already got that
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: much money and you already put twenty million dollars on
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: open AI before AI already started, and it's two billion,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Like how does that two billion funnel into the equation
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: with all this nil and budget stuff like like you said,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So it's a weird time, man, It's kind of cool
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: seeing how much money these schools are able to fund
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: from everywhere, Like ASU just got a ten million dollar
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: donor like two weeks ago.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: But what is that ken? How far that doesn't last?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I mean they lost on paying the guys this year
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: and then it ends. You know, you used to eat
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: even at a big time school with you know, USC
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: or Texas or Ohio State. If you pledge ten million
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: dollars ten years ago to the athletics program, you you
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: were treated like a made man in the program for
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Like that went toward whatever
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: they used it toward. But it was a big deal.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Now that money's done by November, right as paying for
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: an offensive line.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: You gotta find creative ways to make money. I was
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like Boys State, they're selling their blue turf right now to.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I've heard stories from smaller school friends that will lose
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a guy that'll go to like an SEC team, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: that guy will make five hundred thousand dollars and he'll
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: sound like a two year contract, like you know it's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: year to year, but technically, hey, we'll pledge two years,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: so you'll make five hundred thousand dollars for your junior
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and senior year. And that guy's a really good player
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: at like the non power four level. Then he gets
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: to the SEC program and he's a backup, and then
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he calls the old school where he was, you know,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a All conference player. I was told the story the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: other day. I want to come home, Like can I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: come back? And the coach's like yeah, because most of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: these coaches never blame you. If someone's offering you five
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year right at these schools, can't
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: paig And the coach is like, yeah, well, talk to
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the head coach will get you right back in the transferport.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: And they're like part of the stipulation of the contract
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: is like, well there's a because they're all doing buyouts
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: now now and the buyout was like one hundred and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. Well, the smaller school doesn't have the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: ni O money to pay its own players, let alone
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: buy guys out to then bring them back. They're like, hey,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: nothing we can do. So this guy's stuck at the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: at an SEC school making half a million dollars, which
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't suck, but he can't he doesn't play. So it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, he's thinking this SEC
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: school's signing him. He's gonna get rich for a young
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: kid and be get drafted one day. Now he's a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: fucking scout team player. So he and my buddy says,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that happens all the time because these big programs come calling,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and if you're a smaller school guy, now some of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: them go on to play immediately, but a lot of
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: them then just become a backup for role player. So
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I'm giving you're making four h thousand
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: dollars a year at Alabama, at Texa Tech, at wherever,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: but I'm like a special teams player where before I
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was the All conference guy at San Diego State, the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: San Diego State guy. And this is where a couple
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of years ago Ashton Genty I remember thinking like, how
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: is he at Boise State? And then the athletic wrote
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: this long article The most money they could possibly get
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: together was three hundred thousand dollars, which I can't even
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: imagine making that at twenty years old. But he felt
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: so loyal because of his you know, his story of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the Army brat and just like he loved Boise State.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: He turned down seven figures surely from schools like Texas
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and USC and who knows, and the San Diego State
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: guy did the same thing. But that's very, very rare,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: very rare.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: That sucks for that guy too, because you look at
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: schools like Indiana, they're grabbing guys. If I'm grabbing a
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: guy to the portal, I want a guy that's productive,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: that's played that I know. Okay, you have stats, you
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: have games starts to prove that you can play at
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: the next spot. That's where a lot of the boomer
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Bus guys is. I'm gonna go to Georgia and grab
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a backup that hasn't played in a year or two.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: But he was recruited by Georgia. He was a four
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: or five star. He's gotta be great, and then he
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: falls flat on his face. It's like, damn, we just
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: paid a million dollars for a dB and he was
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: a third string at Georgia, where it's your point. He
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: could have went somewhere else. So it's all just like
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: stock driven on. Like the now, the recency in the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: transfer portal, it's just a fascinating it's it's a weird thing.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: There's the thing with the transfer portal. It'd be like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the NFL. It's so much easier if I poach. If
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I'm Florida and the guy started at Kentucky, where I'm
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Kentucky and the guy started at Florida right where I'm
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: I'm USC. It's like, I'm gonna steal this guy from Maryland.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I've seen this guy play against all the teams I'm playing.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: When you take a guy when when I'm Oregon and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I steal a guy from Fresno State, which is good,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: you know, eight nine win pro, it's still pretty risky
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because I have a couple games of him against the
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: USC type program. But there's a lot of games against
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: New Mexico. That's why I most of the time. Obviously
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: there are some outliers when you look at like who
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Ohio State in Texas, like they are getting other starters
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: at other power for programs. That to me is the key.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Like in the NFL. Ideally, you just when you scout
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a guy who's coming out like a pass rusher against
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, like it's the tape against Jeremiah Love
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: against Miami or against Ohio State. Like playing a bunch
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: of NFL players if you're if you're scouting Will Campbell,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you watched them over the course of a couple of years,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of the guys that are gonna get drafted at defensive line,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: there's no point in watching LSU play McNee State. You
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: don't even you don't even watch that game because it's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely meaningless and unless I guess you could judge like effort.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: But in terms of what pairs, it's why Fernando Mendoza
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: went number one if his season had ended before the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Ohio State game, like if he had broke his leg
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: before the Ohio State game. I don't know what the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Raiders do, but there was no disputing once he goes
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: on the run, especially beats Ohio State in Miami, right,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, their team was basically NFL defense. I bet
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: of the twenty two starters on Ohio State and Miami,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: my guess would be when it's all said and done,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: eighteen of them are drafted. If we really just like
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: looked at the roster right now. Some of them are younger,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Look how many guys
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: were just drafted off the crew in the first round.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Six of just the defenses of the two teams. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they even had some. Miami had some DB's in the
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: second third round.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: They're gonna probably start to like Thomas and Scott and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: all these dudes.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Sunny Styles brother went late, right, Yeah, yeah, Lorenzo, I
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: think he went to the Saints. I think six or
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: seventh round.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: But speaking of those twenty twenty six rookies, we obviously
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: had OTA's coming up. Let's just kind of dive into
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: what do you think are the best rookie team fits
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: situations for some of these rookies first through seventh round,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: maybe even undrafted, going into OTA's Uh here shortly.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the floor to uh. You're a diehard
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan. You're one of the only Arizona Cardinal
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: fans I've ever met. See.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I actually was gonna I was gonna pivot. I know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love, It's not the best, it's not the best situation,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: but I think it's better than gentsy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: We can debate even talking situation. I'm just talking you
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: just it's it's gotta be pretty cool. Oh yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, as you know, you go through this business
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and stuff, you try to be unless biased towards you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame of the Airs and the Cardinals or whatever.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But to have a player with that much impact for
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: three or four three years in Notre Dame, to go
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to the thirty first ranked rushing offense for the Airs
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and the Cardinals.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I get it. Was it the right pick. We can
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: debate that all you want.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: But you want to pay a guy fifty million dollars
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: at how special he is that we assume transition to
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the NFL with the breakaway speed and what he can
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: do receiving wise, blah blah blah blah blah, Or do
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: you want to pay a Malio or a Fanu at
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: pick four fifty million dollars? I think they would rather
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: go the route that they win. I think it's gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: be interesting to see what they do in that room.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: In terms of James Connor and Algier, they probably would
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: want to take back if they knew two months in
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: advance that they would draft.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Let's start there, Let's start there. I do think it's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: fair to say when free agency starting and literally nothing
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: changed March fifteenth with Jeremiah Love, he was well established
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: as a top five to ten pick December first, let
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: alone March fifteenth. They clearly got pressured, like they wouldn't
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: have learned anymore with the human being or the player.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He was an elite player. They were not planning on
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: drafting him when free agency started, right and the owner,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: which listen. He's a great player, and I got no
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: issue with the pick. But it's not nearly as bad
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: as like the Cousins and the Penix thing. But when
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: they signed Cousins, they were not planning on drafting Michael
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Pennix Rush. You just wouldn't have signed Cousins. You would
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: have signed a ten million dollar player. They're not signing
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Tyler l jear if they know they're drafting, or even
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like think they're drafting Jeremiah Love.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: So I don't think what happened will. I think you
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: just need to sell tickets. I think you're the worst
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: team in the NFC West. You got the hardest schedule
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: in the league, and you need some kind of splashed guy,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: which they haven't really had. I get it looks bad,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: crowded running back room. Last year, they had a bunch
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: of running back injuries. You had Bam Knight from the
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: practice squad, and an offensive line that got injured the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: entire for the entire duration of this season. I don't
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: think it's gonna be as bad as genty. I think
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: with the weapons they have with Trey McBride, we'll see
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: if per second somewhat move or even hand the ball off.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: To Jeremiah Love.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: If he has that much mobility and movement, I was
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: gonna kind of pivotwards. I think the better situation is
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: his soulmate, this guy that he played with a Notre
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: name is jenere On Price. But on top of that,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: don't you kind of think there's some sneaky pressure on
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: him and the fact that Schneider went out and signed
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson, who was like a third running back for
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the Packers. Charbonnay is still off acl but you know
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: how important the running game is for the Seattle Seahawks
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: and what Canine did last year, and you knew he
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: was gonna walk. I just felt, and I guess the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: free agency running back market, you look at it right now,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: it's a graveyard of just dudes that have had multiple
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: knee injuries or injuries that will probably get signed like
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Week six, Week seven, Week eight guys like Joe Mix
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and Nick Chubb. But it just seems like a Jadarion
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Price where it's a great opportunity for him to be
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: a running back one maybe get used more in the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: receiving game than he didn't really get used at Notre
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Dame because you had Jeremiah Love, but does seem like
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of pressure or maybe they're gonna lean towards
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Darnald in the passing game for a team in Seattle
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: that late K nine was starting to surge and was
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the reason why.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Their offense was progressive so much last season. Well, I
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: would say the most pressure on rookies are gonna be
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: guys fifteen to thirty two on better teams, on the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: playoff teams like Jeremiah Love could have an awesome year
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: than win five games, Like, there's no really pressure on him.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: There's not really pressure on Fernanda Mendoza. I mean, the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Raivers haven't made the playoffs like twice in twenty five years.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I would say any good team price a good example.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Scott mccluhan is used to be the GM
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of Washington. He's a little before your time, you're young.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: He was the GM of the forty nine ers before
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Trent Balkey took over, and a lot of people thought
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that Balky got a lot of credit for his picks.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Frank Gore, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Crabtree. Even the draft
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: board in which he drafted you, Potty and Davis and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: like was mccluhan's draft board. He had a problem with
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: drinking a little bit, but he was like a scout scout.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's buddies with John Schneider. People love him
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and he's just an old school kind of like nose players.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Matt Barrows, who covers the Niners, reached out to him
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: for takes on the Niners draft, and one of his
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: takes was because they were talking about Black the running
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: back from Indiana was like he had an overall running
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: back take. That was again, this guy's been the league
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: for like thirty years. Price is going to be a
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: better pro than Love. Is that even possible? I don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you know. I don't know. I don't even know. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: don't even does that. He loves Price, you know, if
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: you put price, I think Price is good. Well, when
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you just think it's just when you're behind, when you're behind,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: unless you're kind of equals, you know, Sony, Michelle, Nick Chubb,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Jenkins and Henderson, right, guys. That again, depending
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: on the game, one guy, but there's it's like a
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: one to two combo, and on any given game, one
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: guy could be one. They were a one to two
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: combo and they had two pro guys, but it was
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: it was one and then the other guy was like four, right,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and that's how the carries went. If if you were
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: in a tight game like loves in the game, you
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: just utilize this guy, like what if he's got untapped potential?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe that. Like to me, Price always
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: jumped out more on the return game, but again he
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't playing as much because you had Sae Kuon Barkley
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: or p John Robinson, they're backup. This used to happen
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: with Saban. It was like what's the running back room?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Like it's a mark Ingram Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: then Alvin Kamara had a transfer. You know that happened
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes and that was before the transfer portal. So I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I I don't think they just
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: randomly like at this point in time, I don't think
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you're forcing a need if you're Seattle now wasn't a
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: great running back class. Do you feel pretty confident that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Price would have gone before they picked again in the
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: second round? Yeah, so it's like we love taking him
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: at thirty two? Would I rather take him at forty five?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: But he's definitely not gonna be there when we're at
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: what sixty four, So you're just like, oh, we don't
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: love any other players anyway, we don't really need any
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: other guys. That's the thing, because if you look at
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: all the guys that start going off, bunch of edge
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: rushers and linebackers, that's not really Seattle needs. The dB
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: room pretty stacked. So maybe they did just kind of
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: take a need and to say fucking yeah, yeah.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I mean you Price in Shahed as the returners is
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: gonna be nasty. You saw them last year get a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: couple of special teams touchdowns with with Shaheed, So I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: think that's also a great addition to add with jered
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Arion Price. I don't think each won't transition that bad.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I just worry that you're gonna have a running back too,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: who's coming in with Sharpenay.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know when he's gonna return. Who's also a
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: running back? Two?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: So you got those two guys, like, how are you
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: gonna div you up the carries? You also have a
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: new offense coordinator. I'm not doubting on Seattle. Seattle will
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: be great. Sure they could be a Super Bowl winning team.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: They could go to the NFC Championship. Sky's the limit.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna affect their entire season. I just think
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a just interesting battle to look out
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: for and see how will he transition, you know, into
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: the NFL and can he be the number one guy.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I think if Miami would have been willing to trade
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: a Chan, they would have traded thirty two straight out
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: for a Chan. I think they I think they would
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: have been I think they would have been great.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: They would have been ready to do that. And you
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: could argue the most pressure is I mean when you
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: look at all the top teams, like I think the Giants,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are gonna make them
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Like I gotta see them play a
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: little bit before I feel I'm not gonna do that.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Before they start playing, I gotta see them a little bit.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Not that they're gonna they're gonna be better, but we
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: got a long ways to go. The Chiefs, I mean,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: they're just they play. They're gonna if mahomes is I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Ship Beach said the other days doing great training camp
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: for sure, and he's gonna do some stuff dur an OTAs,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: which I doubt he does much but he I think
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: they feel pretty confident by like August first, Mahome is
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be on the field. This isn't like Justin Field
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: starting game one or not Smyer. So you take a
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: corner at six. Overall, that guy's a plug and play
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: starter in a in a conference where you're playing Justin Herbert,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you know we'll see bo Nicks, but that that offense,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you know, they get waddle like it's the Raiders now
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: with Mendoza, Like that's six games. You know, he and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Peter Woods like there are two first round picks that
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: they're gonna need those guys to be really good. There's
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Peter Woods gets a little bit, I would say of
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like there's not as much pressure because he's not Sometimes
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you're just their first round you know you're selling, So
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: his first round pick, he's kind of not an afterthought,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: but he kind of gets his mix in. Like if
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Peter Woods is not starting week one, he mixes in
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: with the group. No one's gonna pay attention. But if
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I told you that Delaane was like not starting, it
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: would be like one of the biggest stories in the league.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Now he's obviously gonna start. I think he's gonna be
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: an excellent player. But my point is people are just
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, how good is this guy? And if
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: he's sweet right away or struggles, like it'll be a
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: pretty big story because they need him to be good
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: replace McDuffie. I feel like, not a hot take. I
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: could see R.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Mason Thomas just having a more productive year than Peter
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: was somehow just the pass rusher out of Oklahoma. Just
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: put him on the edge, maybe get some like cleanup
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: minutes or something they wrote in him with karlovkis.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: But so would j What would you say? Because I
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: kind of I would say the I would say the
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: other guy too, And I just like this player. Yeah,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: I think Charge is gonna be pretty good and messador
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: on a defense that was already good. Khalil max back.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: He's just like twenty nine years old, ready to kick
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: ass and take names like I love Ruben Bain. I'm
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: just not sure. I don't know about the Bucks, you know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I mean that coaching staff. You were stunned how big
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Todd Bowles was, Oh massive. There's a photo you want
• 51:00
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• 51:03
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• 51:06
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  Speaker 2: What of their best situations, kind of preserve your mind.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Are guys with pressure. I know you talked to him
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: with some of the top dudes and we kind of
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: talked off air a little bit about cardinal Tate and
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: just like the I mean, he seems like a guy
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: that's gonna have a ton of pressure.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You pick up fourth.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Overall, it's like, hey, we're gonna put you at the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: number one wide receiver. You're making twelve and a half
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: million dollars. But I talked to you beforehand. They kind
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: of sneaky for three guys that have never been wide
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: receiver once. Maybe Wandale was from New York at sometimes
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: when they had injuries. Wandale's making seventeen and a half,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Calvin's making seventeen and a half, and then you got
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: this guy making twelve and a half, probably more guaranteed
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: money than maybe both of them.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: At pick four.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Just seems like a lot going on. New coach, new
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: oc a quarterback coming on. It seems like for Cardinal
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: ten there's gonna be a lot of pressure for him
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: to fit in and be that reliable number one receiver.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's gotta be. But you're paying two
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: of their guys more more dollars than he is.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like, oh, Week one, we're playing our division rivals,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: the UH Houston Texans. Derek Stingley is gonna cover you
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a Week four we're playing first game against the Colts. Sauces.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: You're going up against Sauce. I don't know how good
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be his NFL corner. But Travis Hunter,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: you know, his drafts are two overall. I mean it's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the division. I mean, the Texas defense incredible. Colts defense
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: in theory should be way better, you know, Sauce. C J. Allen,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: who I think is gonna be pretty good. I think
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: all these linebackers people were pretty high on in the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: second round. So yeah, I mean Buckle, I thought that
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: pick was a little crazy. One guy. Now he was
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: pick thirty three because they traded back a couple of times.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: But there's just been so much negativity around the forty
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: nine Ers draft, and they basically got stribbling to be
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: a younger, faster. Juwan Jennings. You know, Juwan just signed
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings, which obviously I think he was expecting
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: like a three year, sixty million dollar deal and whenever
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Schefter does up to thirteen million dollars like, so they
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: gave him like three million dollars with a bunch of incentives,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Like what was the contract there? But I think shripling
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: is you know, Mike Evans is old. You know, if
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: he's on the field, what he'll be doing, he'll be fine.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of injuries, a lot of guys are they
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: still have you know, peak form in him. Ricky Piersoll
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: when he's on the field has been good, but he
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: gets injured all the time. And if Ricky Pearsol could
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: ever stay on the field, and people are gonna just
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: this guy's a polarizing. It's not even his fault, but
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: just because the forty nine ers and the draft and
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Kyle their draft picks are gonna be under the microscope.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I like him, but I did see someone breaking down
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: some of his production against the better teams in the
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: SEC wasn't as good. He was good in the playoffs.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I just think they, like, you know, they're big on
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like character. He's like a high level guy blocks and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: he can run. So you know, if you listen to
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: who you know, a lot of people did talk to
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: other people in the NFL. Like It's one thing if
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you're just like a draft analyst, but when you when
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: you hear DJ talk or Mickshay, these guys are talking
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to other gms. So when they're like, I'm telling you
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: people think this pick's crazy, all these other gms that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: he was going the next ten picks like that, that's
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: what matters. Like he was a guy that a lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: of people liked. And because when you look, there were
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: only a couple of wide receivers in the second round
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: that went, you know, Boston went six or seven picks later,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: and then it was just a bunch of defense, mainly
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in the top fifty. So it was a defensive heavy draft,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's gonna be fascinating one pick that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I love because just because I love this guy. I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: remember watching Texan and A Texas A and M games
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: thinking like, this guy's a bad ass? Is Cashus? Howel
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: now you text? When I text scouting buddies, they're like
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: John his arms are like twenty two inches long, Like
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: his arms are shorter than Baine. Crazy, it's crazy him
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and bayin for how good they were. But if Cashus
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Howl's arms for like thirty three inches, he's going what
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: top twenty. If Bain's arms were thirty three inches, he's
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: going top six. So these guys are gonna be under
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the microscope with their arm length. But if you watch
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: college football, Cashes Howl and Ruben Bain were easily two
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: of the best players last year. Yeah, and you know
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Rubin gets to go to a team with a lot
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: of good players, like they have a nucleus of guys.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Cashus Howel was he a transfer? I think he was.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I think it was a small school or he was
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: a part of that freshman class that he was just
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: there for a couple of years.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: Because he would have he would have played. He did
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: play with Shamar Stewart, So now you put him with
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart, who has who If Cashus Howell played like
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: he plays but wasn't Shamar Stewart's body, he would have
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: been like the second pick in the draft. Yeah, I
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: think he just combine them. So I think the I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: think the Bengals defensive line if Dexter Lawrence is going,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: cash is Howl, Shamar Stewart, Mafey, But they's got some
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: reinforcements there and we know their offensive burrows healthy. I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: think the Bengals can be pretty good if it kind
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of all works out. Because you're your guy, I think,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I said Al Golden, coach for Penn State Notre Dame.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy, he's a good he's a good defensive mind.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's kind of transitioned well in the NFL.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It's just outside of that third and fourteen play against
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, he's he's he's a good mind.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: Two more, one more name. I'll mention a guy that
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I like. Since we're just naming dudes, then.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna transition well as Jeremy Bernard for
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the Steelers bamba wide receiver in the slot. Don't be
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: surprised if he has games where he has more catches
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: and more receptions than DK and Michael Pittman Junior. I
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna be a guy that Rodgers is gonna
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: like that third and fourth down, just reliable target underneath,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: played a lot of football.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: He was that fourth.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Receiver with Washington when they made the National championship. It's
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Michigan a couple of years ago too, So just kind
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: of a nugget. I know a lot of people are
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: making fun of the you know, the Steelers from missing
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: out on Mikayle Lemon. Who we've had on the show
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: was Greg Cosell and you've had multiple people just mixed
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: opinions about Mkayle Lemon.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Where for Jimmy Bernard, He's a high character guy.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: He comes from Alabama and the DBOR system, Like I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: know what I'm getting out of him versus Kayle Lemon
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: just seems like a little more risk there for the
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: first round, and I think the Steelers kind of bounce
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: back and got a guy that they need there for
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: that receiver.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Why have Kaye Lemon always look like he stoned it
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: out of his mind? He just looks like he had
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: the combine with the whole staring down thing. And then
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: even him, like when you heard.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: The pick is in, he just kind of has this
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: weird accent in him, being like, oh who is this?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Like why why I feel like calling me?
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Like why why I feel I don't know if he
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: acted like that during the season, because I'd never really
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: heard him talk during the season. More it was because
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: after the Blinda cough, or maybe all this hype around him.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Now he's kind of being like just a little too school,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: too cool for school, just his personality and how he
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: was acting during the offseason and how Howie Roseman. The
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Eagles are real curious to see how that transition is,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Like this is kind of mature a little more around
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Big Dom. I don't know what he talks like that
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: three months from now in a press corps, you wouldn't
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: think to me.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: All the guys that were drafted really high, you know,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: just you just listen to them talk. They just sound
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: completely normal. Some of them are cockier and others some
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: you know, Baine was mad, they could just talk. You
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: watch this guy like, I just got it red flagged.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. Maybe he's taking edibles
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't realize it's a little more powerful than
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: he realizes. But it's just it's a lie. The edibles
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: control you, Makai, you can't control the edibles. It's it's weird.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's I'm with you on the Eagles they
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: have you know, you just you just watch like we
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you can nippick aj the way like passive aggressively or
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: just should just keep it in house regardless they do
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: not care themselves, like Makaile Lemon Sakwan. I mean, it's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know, we'll see he is a good
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: physical player. Uh. The thing with your thing on Bernard, historically,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Aaron's him and Brady the young guys. Now, I think
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: by all accounts, Jeremy Bernard's like super high level guy, smart,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: very physical wide receiver, but he can be hard on
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: young guys. When I said, I mean, I think it's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: like week twelve, like week ten, maybe later in the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: season he kind of gets more receptions. But you're right,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: he's he wants. He's probably gonna throw to Michael.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Pittman junior and probably what eighty percent of the seven
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I guess DK two. He liked DK, but I would
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: say Pittman feels exactly like the type guys they had
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in Green Bay forever. Since we're on the yeah, since
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: we're on the AFC North topic, do you feel what
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: do you what do you feel about the Browns and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: the young talent around the Browns seems like they're kind
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: of I don't know if they're on the on the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: come up, but when you look at some of the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: guys Mason Graham, Judkins, Uh Sweashing jer and they got
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: All impact immediate rookies who were probably surge in year two,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Fano Casey conception On, Denzel Boston and.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Michel Warren Emanuel Michel Warren they got in the second
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: round two.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Seems like they're starting to finally get.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Some like young guys like elite not maybe that leads
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: probably a strong word, but guys with tremendous upside in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: these drafts, you gotta kind of feel a little better
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: about the Browns heading into this season than you did
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: at least last year. But just obviously the quarterback position
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: is just the big what if. But it just seems
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: like Andrew Berry's been kind of like circulating some things
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: in other positions that you kind of kind of feel
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: better about the Browns heading in out too.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I would say they feel like you said that stockhold
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: on open AI, like we all think AI is gonna
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: change the world, like and all these companies, if you're
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: in the stock market, have been ripping because of what.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Eventually you're gonna have to turn a profit from AI
• 1:01:53
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• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: was like uber It's like, well, that's like event so
• 1:02:00
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• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos Amazon lost a bunch of money in like
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the late nineties, early two thousands. He's like, just wait,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: just wait, just wait, and he was right. Eventually you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: got to turn the corner, like there's no disputing and
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: they were like this A couple of years ago when
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: they got rid of Baker because they thought they had
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: this sweet roster and they did, and now it's a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: little different because some of those guys are veteran guys.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: They have a sweet roster of young nucleus. And let's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: face it, if they wanted to, if they're shitty, they
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: could probably flip Miles during the trade deadline or during
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: the season four. I mean, maybe not as much as
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: they could have a couple of years ago, probably like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: a one and a couple twos, like they could get
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: some more maybe two ones. Who knows, like they have
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that in their back pocket. But none of this is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: gonna matter if they never get a quarterback. And last
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: time they had the number one overall pick, they took
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, who I think we've all kind of grown
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: to like Baker and when he's on, he's a fun
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: player to watch and he's very enjoyable. He's got he's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: got some of his Oklahoma flat back when he's on
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and healthy. But Josh Allen and Lamar were in that draft,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you know, so Sam Donald just wont a you know,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: not MVP, but Super Bowl MVP, okay with Walker did,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: but he won Super Bowl. So it just shows you, I,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: they gotta find a quarterback, and if they don't, I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: just don't think any of this really matters.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think, like with the twenty twenty seven draft
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and how valuable because there was no first round picks
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: that were traded in the offseason from the twenty twenty
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: seven class, if you were the Browns and you were
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: contemplating about Miles Garrett, like the twenty twenty seven.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Draft pick would be pretty valuable.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Obviously you're gonna get multiple picks, but that would be
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: something if I was them. You've had the last two
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: years in the drafts, you've killed both times. There are
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: some edge rushers in this class that are younger. Even
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: though I get Miles Garrett all time record, still playing
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: at a high level, But it seems like if you
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: want to strike now at a cheaper player like a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Dylan Stort or a Colin Simmons, some of these non
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: quarterback guys like that could be.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: A move for the Browns that they secretly do.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it would be the valuable of a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven first rounder that you wouldn't get, like
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: if you got two first rounders for him and one
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: of them was a twenty twenty seven. Does that equate
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: as two first rounders?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: What do you think the value I guess of, Like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: what player if I wanted to trade.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: With someone a twenty twenty seven first round pick?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Vice versa, Like how magnitude of a player could they
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: get and how magnitude? How big of a magnitude is
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: that twenty twenty seven first round pick?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I'm kind of rambling a little no,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: but he kind of lost me sense.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I just feel like this class in this year, everyone
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: just talks about twenty twenty seven being like one of
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the more unreal drafts, and no one's training these first
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: round picks. I'm just wondering how valuable what a first
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: round pick? Like if I were to trade this twenty
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: twenty seven and a twenty twenty eight, would that be
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: worth enough to get Miles Garrett? Or would I have
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: to supply another one?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Well, like in theory, if this draft is five x
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: better than this last draft, fewed you know where teams are,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: like we got twenty five guys grated as first rounders.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: We have twelve blue chippers, right, the Bengals would not
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: if that if this draft lives up to the hype.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: The Bengals wouldn't trade pick ten for Dexter Lawrence straight up,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: but they do it. So the tenth pick in this
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: draft might not be as valuable, like, or excuse me,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the tenth pick in this draft might be equal to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the twentieth pick in the twenty seven draft. Yeah. I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: also think Miles's value like the Bills or the Eagles
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: or the Lines or whatever. What if you start like
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: one and four, why not trade them like five weeks
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: before the trade in the line, maybe like October seventh,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: so they have them the entire season, right, Or if
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: you kind of realize they're in training camp, what if
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: you do one of those Micah Parson type deals. It's like,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna be get good anyway, let's flip them
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: August twenty fifth, and could we get someone because then
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: at least there's the unknown, because if I'm trading him
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to the Bills in the middle of October or the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Eagles or the Lions and they're six and one, got
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea that pick give or take, is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: gonna be twenty five to thirty two right beginning of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: the season. Anything's possible. First game quarterback and break is
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: let you just never know. It's football. So I would
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I would just keep a close eye in training camp
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: because I think they'd have a pretty good idea like, hey,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be that good.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think, you know, obviously, the quarterbacks
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: and stuff get so praise in this twenty twenty seven class,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: but all the non quarterbacks that are gonna fall to
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: some of these teams, like did you want story, Colin Simmons, Like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I just think it's unbelievable that we have a lot
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: of elite other prospect groups that are just you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: gonna fall because of these quarterbacks.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: You watch the ESPN uh doc the pick is in.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't yet. I've seen clips.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have ESPN Plus, so I don't know if
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I can watch it like on demand.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you can I watch. Is it
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: better than the Colts video? Would you say no? Because
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: it's still a lot of like they're doing a lot
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: of green room stuff. It's kind of all over the map,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: like some of the individual stuff in the draft rooms
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: a lot like that, but that's not the majority of
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: They're like interviewing mel Kiper, you know, three hours before
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: the draft chefter. It's it's probably a little cheesier, but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: some of the meat, Like Andrew Berry is an impressive
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: guy when he's in the draft room, you know, and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam just it's not doing much. He's just the
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: one thing you notice if you watch a lot of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: these draft room videos, like a good, a well run
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: front office. The GM is just running point right, and
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: he's got a right hand a left hand man helping
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: him out a little bit because you need help, like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: guy on the phone, guy doing charts. But like you're
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: in charge and you got any questions, you maybe throw
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: it to the back of the room to your boy.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: You maybe call an assistant coach. But like you're running,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Andrew clearly is in you know, is good on draft day.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I think Andrew Barry, there's no disputing he's he's good
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: on draft day. He's good at manipulating. Chris Ballard's good.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: You know I talked about on the podcast. You said
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: you watched that their video they've been doing it for years.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Is that their media teams legit for the the off season.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I always think their content is is really freaking and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Chris just you know, like Howie. This Eagles video went viral.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: It's just the draft room kind of clips. What the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Colts give you is kind of the lead up to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: the draft room, which is really really cool, with the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: coaches in there, with the scouts talking with them, kind
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: of going back and forth with some of the kind
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: of nerding out at the combine, which we don't Some
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: teams show clips here and there, but like, just like
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: we drafted this guy, here's the clip when we sat
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: down with him for seven minutes and us nerded out
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, kind of pressed him on some things,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: which is cool to see. I'm excited to see that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Kentucky guard. I'm like, I want to follow him.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: The way they were talking about him falling in the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: fourth round, it was like gonna be a you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: potential Quinin Nelson alongside. I mean, that's that's a big
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: piece for the Colts. I'll have to watch their old videos.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they did that every year. I just
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: saw it on my YouTube recommendation actually right before I
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: edited the Friday episode that was coming today. I guess,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: and I'm amazed by. I'm glad teams are starting to
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: do that. I don't know why teams don't do that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: as much, maybe because more are At the same time,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: if you're Chris Ballard, there is pressure on you that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: you are talking highly of a CJ.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Allen. He's probably gonna end up well in the league.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: But if he flops, we have video evidence of you
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: talking about it on YouTube everywhere.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: So I guess there's that side of things. But I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: think more teams the Cardinals don't do that for social media,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: and it's just I'm a nerd. I watch hard knocks,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I watch everything. I die for that shit.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Well, let's say let's say Jake Golday did any say
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: his last name? This is Sadie. Let's say he becomes
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: Fred Warner and CJ. Allen, who I'm a fan of,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: uh just his average. It's pretty clear CG or I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: mean Chris Ballard. They because they traded down, and they
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: could have taken either guy at forty nine, and they
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: traded down knowing they'd get CJ instead of just they
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: could have just taken gold Day right there. So if
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: like that's you do kind of get compared to other
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: guys at your position's right there, So you know this
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: is stribbling, Like if Denzel Boston is a star or
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: vice versa Stribbling is way better than Boston. You'd be like, oh,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: smart pick because you had the choice. It's like you're
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: just getting judged on the position. I don't even judge
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: you that much. Like if a guard goes next and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: he becomes an All Pro, it's like, clearly you wanted
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: the skill guy, but I'm judging you on the other
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: skill guy that you could have had that goes a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: pick or two later, or vice. You know. So it's
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: like all these linebackers, like Miami, they take Jacob Rodriguez,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: who was like up for the Heisman. It was awesome,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: but then like three more linebackers go over the next
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: ten picks. They clearly thought Rodriguez is a stud linebacker,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: Well what if he better be better? You know, if
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you want to turn the franchise around, he's gotta be
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: better than these other guys unless they're all sweet, which
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: is usually not how it works.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez and a halfway is gonna be a fun.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez is the guy that's gonna be in the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: league for twelve fifteen years, has one hundred tackles every year,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: and we're talking about it was like an All Pro
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl kind of guy.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I think he's that good.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's his ability to kind of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: take away the ball and he just always has a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: feel for, you know, punching fumbles. He was a former
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: four star quarterback at Virginia. I think he was ranked
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: higher than like McCarthy and he was in that same
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: class as like Caleb Williams coming out of high school.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of a fun story, but he was a quarterback
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to start his college career. Yeah, Virginia.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he walked on to Texas Tech and
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: then got a scholarship and then started at linebacker and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: his stories werediculous.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: And then he's I know, he's married to the Army ranger, right, Yeah,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: she's like a Green beret. Is that incredible? Is just incredible.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: That's just I would love my son to be friends
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: with their child. Just keep them in check.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey Jack, go hang out, go hang out with
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: the Rodriguez is a little bit, no no nonsense.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: That's funny. Oh gosh, what what? Uh? One more thing
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to hit on during these OTAs, Like
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: for all these young players, the majority of it is
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: not how good you look at these practices, no one
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: remembers any of them. You do need to learn in
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: the playbook and have a pretty good idea because over
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: the course of the next month and a half they
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: basically give you everything that you rego over a training camp.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: The difference at training camp is right right now, it
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: is like, you fuck up whatever, We'll be there tomorrow.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll go play golf together in the afternoon, we'll
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: do a team bonding and it's very chill. You do
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: need to focus and learn the playbook going into the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: summer too, because you have some downtime when you're just
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: training on your own, because once training camp starts, it's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: you're drinking out of fire hose in terms of next day,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: next day, next day, building into the game, getting ready,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: trying to get the roster. So whether your first round pick,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: you're on scholarship, first or second round pick, you're not
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: getting cut, but the expectations are really high. And for
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: all the other guys like you're just any third day
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: pick is just trying to make the roster. And it's very,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: very hard to make the roster if you don't know
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: what's going on. And a lot of these guys come
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: from programs that you don't resemble necessarily, like sunny styles.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: The Oha State guys have a big advantage. They played
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: for an NFL coordinator. They're gonna be pretty comfortable with
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: all the different stuff going on on defense. But some
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: of these guys, especially offensively, it's it's going to be
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: a dramatic change and it's impossible. I don't care what
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you do in life. If you're not confident, you're like,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many times have you done this? You know,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: since you know, as you got into this business, we're like,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, and you're doing behind the scenes
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: editing and then early on like I think I fucked
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: that up. And then once you figure it out in
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of months, a month to a week, you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: do it with your eyes closed. Football is the same way.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you played at Montana. If you don't know
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the play and you're like running out there or lining up,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm fucked. Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: That's like anything in life, right if football, if you're
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: thinking and you have to run around or you have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: to you know, do your position or whatever you have
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: to do. If you're thinking, that's not good, Like you
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: do not want to be thinking. I want to be
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: like unthinking when I'm out there, knowing where the coverage is,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: know where everything's wrong. But you're more importantly, you're right,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: like you're assignment, especially how long these plays are in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: the NFL, like I just I think the transition and
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: even like for some of these smaller school guys or
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: the late round picks would be going up against the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: bigger cornerbacks or going up the bigger defensive line, and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: like Cardinals just signed a guy from Southeast Louisiana, barely
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: any FCS players played. You're going to a camp as
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: the four day three guy, it's gotta be pretty intimidating
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: if you don't have any confidence going in that you're
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: gonna make the roster.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Well, and day three guys, like, if you're a fifth
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: round pick, you can beat out the guy who's been
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: on the practice squad the last two years. But that
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: guy is gonna know what's going on. So his advantage
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: is the coach is just gonna go, well, he knows
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: what he's doing, even if the scouts are like this
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: fifth rounder's got way more talent. But if he doesn't
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: know what he's doing, that's where a lot of these
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: arguments come, and they start now because in a couple
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: of weeks I'll be like, oh, this guy's behind and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: you're just like, okay, give him the camp, give him
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: this summer, right, But this is the time where you
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: have to figure it out because the majority of guys
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: that were just drafted are one not on scholarship. So
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to make the team now, it doesn't mean like some
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: offenses and defenses are harder. Uh. Sometimes you know you
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: and a coach aren't gonna hit it off, like who
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: knows exactly, or you get into a position room it's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: kind of weird because one guy wants to raise, or
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: one guy wants a trade, or you know, you just
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I wonder how Stribbling will like transition from like Kiffin's
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: to Shanahan's to your point. I mean, he's the second
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: round guy you talked about obviously your point a bit
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: ago about how the.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: First two guys you know, no pressure, you're not gonna
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: get cut. But a guy like Stribbling where it's like, hey,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: you got to figure out the offense he wants you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: in the rotation, especially with a complex offense like that.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: For Shanahan.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of the down part of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: how complex his offense is.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: He's some of those rookies just.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: Take a while for the mindset, the thinking of the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: playbook before you could even go out and play and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: show your physical abilities. Like that's kind of a guy
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: to me. That's just circle on his cving can transition.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: And he came from Gundy, so it's not like, well,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: he played for Signetti and then he went to Old Mit. No,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: this guy's been in a spread offense. Shanahan is like
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: really really hard on wide receivers because that's you know,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: what he played in college. It was his baby. I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: do think having Mike Evans there, which if I was
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Stribbling's agent or you know, I'm sure Kyle's gonna tell
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: him this. He's like, I would follow Mike Evans like
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: a puppy dog, like, hey, can I baby see your kids?
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Can I come over? What? I would do everything he
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: does because Mike's played and they've they've ran Shanahan concepts before.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Mike will be have no problem. Even Piersoll like he's
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: gonna know the plays now. I would you gotta know
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: the place because if you don't know the plays, like
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Kyle wouldn't play Jerry Rice if he didn't know the place.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: It's crazy as that sounds like he's a UK had
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: a really really hard time before he lost his mind
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: as a rookie. He just they were just he was
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: in the doghouse. So I just think that the emphasis
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: this is where the difference of college because in college,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: even with nil, they're still eighteen nineteen twenty, he still
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: kind of hold their hand, and college in the pros
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: to find another guy, you know, they're just find like,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: oh this random guy, undrafted free agent or trade for
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: this guy. They just will not care. It's ruthless so
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: and most I mean stribblings. Obviously, if things went disastrous
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: to still second round, he's fine, he's picked thirty three,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be a roster for a while. But it's
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: it gets into camp to me is I remember when
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I got hired with the Eagles. I went to OTAs
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: like God is great life. We were like playing golf
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: three times a week, going out to dinners. It was
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: like it was just it was just such a chill time.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: And then training camp started. I was like two weeks
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  Speaker 1: in I was just working. I was like, this is insane.
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  Speaker 1: So you just the offseason you gotta be careful with
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: not like oh we're going to a Giants game night
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  Speaker 1: as a team. You know, you just kind of it
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: can be really relaxed, and then training camps comes in.
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  Speaker 1: It's like an F one race. So I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on these guys. And now with
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  Speaker 1: social media, we talk about these guys more. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a big deal. Like a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these guys are drafted. The emphasis in intelligence and intangibles
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  Speaker 1: is like that they'll just be really focused because you
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: gotta be pretty you know what's his Saban calling Caden
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  Speaker 1: Proctor not a self starter? Uh, like you kind of
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: got to be a self starter in the pros, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we don't.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need you looking at you know, the donuts
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  Speaker 2: or the waffle maker in the breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of these places do that.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these I talked to my buddies for teams,
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  Speaker 1: like because when I was there, we had with Andy
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: fast food Friday, you get fries every day. There was
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: definitely always fried food there. Even if you could eat healthy,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: no problem, but you had options if you wanted to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: grub out a little bit. I talked to a lot
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: of buddies that say, are our cafeteria is pretty clean
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: living now, so it's you don't have as many options
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  Speaker 1: to just eat like seven there. It wouldn't even be
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: a donut in these now. What they do is they
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: bring them in, They make the rookies bring them in,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and he probably powers down a couple on the drive.
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  Speaker 1: Remember was it you the texting me like they're gonna
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: start a mcgart You're like, didn't they just start him?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they just take the guard?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they start They're gonna start him at guard
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  Speaker 2: when they could have got Vega.
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  Speaker 1: I wana that with three picks later to the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: Just just the thought there.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Dolphins, they had a weird draft. Well, if you
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna watch his way like a Hawk procter
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: like these gonna be probably weighing like every single week,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: maybe even day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an everyday guy in training camp. My question
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: is you drafted him high because I watched him at
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Eric Sullivan's press conference at that because he took some
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: heat they got he was getting questions like because it
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: was a little bit out of leftie. It wasn't quite
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Tyx Simpson, but it was like, are you you took
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: him over like Ruben Bayin like they were. The guard
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: was a very safe pick that no one would have
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: even blinked right if Miami's took the guard. He was
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the best player on our board. We feel safe. He
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: took a little bit of a flyer. Why not just
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: start him at tackle and let him figure it out?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Then you're not gonna be any good this year. Why
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: don't you just let him play left or right tackle
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: wherever you want them? Starting mcguard. What's the point of that?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Because because Sullivan was like put on the tape, he's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: one of the most talented players. There's no disputing is
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: like physical attributes or freakish someone a DM me that
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: when Saban left he went back to Iowa, but then
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: he came back right before the season or something like that. Hmm, Yeah,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: And he went to Iowa and they had like some
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: dispute with nil or something like that. Then he came
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: back for spring ball for Obama. It was a weird.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: It was a weird situation. He like started as like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: a true freshman too Proctor and then just like gained
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: a bunch of weight. They that's why they called when
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: he would run out and catch the ball on the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: sideline for for Alabama against Georgia and then like third
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: down or second down or something like that, which was crazy.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: They called it the Chrispy formation because he loves Chrispy Kremes,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: like that's like his thing, Chris creams.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: So I don't know there's Christpy Cremes in Miami.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: We gotta just make sure he does not see the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: hot sign on because golly, those things can get you
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: looking pretty big quickly.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: But speaking it's fake. Speaking of looking big, both kind
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: of losing weight a little bit well three and out
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: weight loss journey behind the scenes since the combine. You
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: just you know, it's amazing what modern modern medicine will do.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: But no matter what you're taking, whether you're disciplined or
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: whether you have something helping you, it is you gotta
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: be active physically. But your diet is just is make
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: or break, and my diet, my die can go and wave.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I can be really healthy and then I can just
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: be like that was a rough week sugars carbs where
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: you just got no business doing that. You gotta be disciplined.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: It's hard. It is hard.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I was laughing yesterday when you were saying you ate
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: popcorn before the podcast. That's not an ideal podcast food.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: No, you hydrate a lot before too, because I feel
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: like I got to drink a lot of water before
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I do these because there I'm always sipping. You know,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed, you know, in the off season,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: I have a little My days are weird, right, you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: just never know what this little wild card named Jack
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: mittalcoff like this morning, Like, ideally I would love to
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: go to the gym at like six thirty, but last
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: night he's like up all night, so I gotta he
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: gets back up at seven o'clock. She's been up at one, three, five,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: She's exhausted. I'm like, I'll take him. So basically from
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: six forty five seven to about nine thirty, she's sleeping.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Me and the honey Badger are out there. He's going
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: nuts and h Then you know, she'll take him and
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I can get a little gym time. I'll take my
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: gym bag, I'll go. They have this cold plunge now,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: but it's not like a plunge. It's more like a
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: mini spa, like you could fit two or three people
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: in there. It'd be probably one like you would see
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: a like an NFL facility. They readed the locker room.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It's badass. They've always had a steam room in a sauna.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: So I'll go in the sauna for like fifteen to
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, shower, then end with the cold plunge, and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I'll feel incredible. The problem is is the red light
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: sauna takes all my moisture out of my It's so
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: hot that sometimes I'll be like five minutes into a podcast,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta be careful about using the red
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: lights on it and not having enough hydration in me
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: because I'll notice the one on podcast, because I'll notice
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: in days I don't I feel normal. It just takes
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: all your everything out of you. And in Arizona, I
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: think you gotta hydrate a lot, no matter what. Yeah,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: people don't talk about that. Man.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: You know, the preparation beforehand, the water, what you eat,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: working out wise for a podcaster, man, no one, No
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: one really talks about that.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Though. You end with a cold punch. You end with
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the cold punge and you leave like your legs are
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: just freezing. Because they say, because I didn't know this
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: due to little resource. If you go like if you
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: cold plunge and then you go in a hot shower,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: it neutralizes and reduces everything the cold plunge brings to
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: the table. Like the cold plunge is to limit the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: inflammation right part of it. It just wakes. I feel
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: like I'm incredible. The other thing with a cold plunch
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: is sometimes before they install this cold plunge, I would
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: just go sauna steam room. Back then the sauna wasn't strong.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: You're sitting there for like thirty minutes steam room and
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: then leave. But in Arizona from May to you know, October,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: you walk out to be one hundred ten degrees one
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: hundred and eight degrees, so you are just drenched in
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: sweat right after your shower. Look, you do the hot
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: the red light therapy. You can end with the cold plunge.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I could put on a parka and walk out into
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: one hundred and ten degrees Arizona and I am not hot.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: You go do you go chest down? Do you go full? Yeah?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I go, I go like chest down. I just going
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: naked too. I go naked naked? What what? What places?
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Because the place I go to it's it's coed. We
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: can't be going naked, no co ed at this place
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: they get the cold plunge, because it'd be looking like that.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I've looked down a couple of times and like it's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: hold and strong. I won't share the cold plunge naked
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: with another naked guy. Do you gotta like clean the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: water out or do you like take the water and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: the water sits there the entire time. You gotta shout,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you gotta you shower before you go in. It's like
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: it's like the spa, it's chlorine go. You know, it's
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: not just I think a lot of cold plungs of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: water just sits there. This is one getting filtered in
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: and out. It's freezing. It's incredible.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta try that though, because I always go cold
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: plunge to the hot tub like I go to Lifetime.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: I just gotta membership there, shout out very expensive, but
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: very great new lifestyle change. I usually go cold punge
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: and then hot tub because the hot tub it feels
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: way hotter after you go from the cold plunge, and
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: then I walk out like Okay, my legs feel refreshed.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: But now I'm gonna have to rethink everything because what
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: you said like I go to the cold plunge for
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: the lack of acid so my legs can stop getting
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: so sore. But if I go to the hot tub,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: then it basically just neglects it and then I don't.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't get any benefits from it. Thinking everything. That's
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: what the scientists are saying on the Chad Gpt on Google.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: So I you know, which would make sense because part
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: of it is right, when you ice your knee, you
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: then don't wash it off with like a you know,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: a hot shower, right, you just ice your knee if
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: you have a bad you know, an in flamely knee
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: or ankle, and you just leave it once you're done.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: So it's because you have to let again people probably
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: listening or like you have no clue you're talking about.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: But I've been told this multiple times and I've seen
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: multiple people doing this. And if you are going to
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: shower after, if you don't shower necessarily before, which you
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: should because you don't want to go in all dirty,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: right to communal thing is finished with the cold shower.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, you see that guy, he's like fifty eight,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: looks incredible. I mean, I I would die to be
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: a quarter of his body fat whatever I mean. He
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: might be in the single digits. He's a huge cold
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: shower guy. I can't know, not not early. I feel
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: feel weird, but.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, I love these podcasts with you man.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Last time I was on, we talked Playboy, that we
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: talked cold Enjoy Jackson. Thanks again, and uh talk to
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: you soon, Buddy. Sounds good. Can't wait the volume