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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 102: Roster Talk: RRH Traded, Will DB Lineup Change When Healthy? · Jags A.M.

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jag xam at Kennannie Stevens, Brad Sexton, John
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  Speaker 1: Osier with me.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming to you from the Grove.
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  Speaker 1: Hotel outside Watford in England, north of London. We've got
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  Speaker 1: a little English tea settled here for you today, John,
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  Speaker 1: you brought your own cup though. All right, let's think
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  Speaker 1: it's a big thing. You got some stuff to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Team obviously going to be here for the week. They're
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  Speaker 1: preparing to take on the Patriots at Winboro Stadium on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Start up with big Thing number one, which is on
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  Speaker 1: the move. Overnight trade news coming down as Roy Robertson
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  Speaker 1: Harris headed to Seattle, a pretty long flight heading from
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  Speaker 1: London all the way to Seattle for future draft picks
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  Speaker 1: for this team. Brian A bit of a surprise to
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  Speaker 1: maybe be doing this in the middle of London week,
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  Speaker 1: but then again, when you're one in five, not much
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  Speaker 1: of a surprise about anything.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because Trent Balkey and I had a
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  Speaker 3: conversation back during training camp and he wanted to see
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  Speaker 3: Mason Smith on the field. He wanted to see young
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  Speaker 3: players in the lineup, and Mason's played better the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks and Roy has been okay. And I
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  Speaker 3: got the distinct impression, you know, from that last night,
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  Speaker 3: that that's Trent saying it's time to move on and
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  Speaker 3: get young guys in the lineup, not you know, flushing
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  Speaker 3: the season and saying we can't turn this thing around
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  Speaker 3: and win some games, but just deciding I'm gonna win
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  Speaker 3: with Mason Smith over the long haul more than I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to win with Roy Robertson Harris.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you remember, Roy played a lot in
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  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter of preseason games, which is usually a
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  Speaker 4: sign that they're trying to figure out something on those lines. Look,
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  Speaker 4: he as a second free agent, meaning he signed as
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  Speaker 4: a free agent for another team. He was on his
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  Speaker 4: second contract here, gave this team what two or three
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  Speaker 4: solid years twenty twenty one. They got out from under
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the contract. So you know, it's I've
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  Speaker 4: got a lot of emails in the day or so
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  Speaker 4: since it happened. Is this a fire sale? You know, Look,
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  Speaker 4: if you continue to be one and whatever, Yeah, at
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  Speaker 4: some point you started looking at those things, But I
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  Speaker 4: don't think it'll make It has to be a trend
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  Speaker 4: where all of a sudden everybody's out the door right now.
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  Speaker 3: No, just one memory on Roy as he goes out
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  Speaker 3: the door. He had a couple of big tackles at
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  Speaker 3: the end of that Chargers playoff game in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: two that set up the punt that got the ball
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  Speaker 3: back to the Jaguars were just over two minutes to
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  Speaker 3: play for that game winning field goal drive. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: he wasn't a superstar. He's not a Pride of the
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars kind of guy. But he made a couple of
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  Speaker 3: plays in a very important game, and for that I'm
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  Speaker 3: grateful for that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about what that means for
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  Speaker 1: the defense coming up a little bit later on in
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  Speaker 1: the show, but we do want to talk second big thing,
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  Speaker 1: roster versus team John. We've talked about this roster coming
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  Speaker 1: into the season. We felt like individuals spots on the
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  Speaker 1: roster were good and solid. But this team isn't playing
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  Speaker 1: well right now. So what's the dynamics of that. When
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  Speaker 1: we look at maybe positions and feel like things are okay,
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  Speaker 1: but then the team isn't really working out.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I kind of wonder. Frankly, I think it's a
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  Speaker 4: good roster. I think there are good players on the roster.
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  Speaker 4: What they haven't shown this year is are there enough
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  Speaker 4: elite players that make big plays and key situations. I
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  Speaker 4: think there's a lot of guys who are NFL starters.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know or they haven't shown that there are
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  Speaker 4: guys who make huge plays at the end of games.
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  Speaker 4: I think Brian Thomas Junior is trending that way. I
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  Speaker 4: think Trevor Lawrence can be that. I think Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 4: Trayvon Walker are those guys at times. Do they have
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  Speaker 4: enough great players on the roster to be better than this?
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  Speaker 4: Right now? They don't because they're not better than this.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, if you're asking specific spots that can
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  Speaker 4: be better, clearly this secondary can be better. It has
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  Speaker 4: been very good yet this year, but it's also been
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  Speaker 4: beat up. I think you sort of knew that was
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  Speaker 4: a concern going in, Brian. I've said since day one,
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  Speaker 4: you know where I'm going with it. When there's a
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  Speaker 4: secondary that's questionable, the front has to be huge. And
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  Speaker 4: how many times I said during the preseason, if this
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  Speaker 4: team is going to be great defensively, the front must
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  Speaker 4: be great defensively. If it's not, it's not gonna be
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  Speaker 4: very good defensively, I'm not sure the entire front has
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  Speaker 4: been good enough yet.
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  Speaker 3: No, it hasn't been as good in the middle, right,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, which is why they feel comfortable in saying,
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  Speaker 3: all right, well, let's take a six round pick for
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  Speaker 3: Roy Robertson Harris and move Mason Smith. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Jefferson made a couple of big plays.
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  Speaker 2: In the ball game.
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  Speaker 3: He as saying the big meaning, you know, he moved
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  Speaker 3: guys physically from one gap to another in the running
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  Speaker 3: game and it was impressive to watch. So there's some
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  Speaker 3: young talent that they think they can get more from.
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  Speaker 3: Get more from John is kind of where I'm at
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  Speaker 3: right now. I think it's a good roster too. Is
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  Speaker 3: it the best roster that the Jaguars have ever had? No,
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  Speaker 3: it's clearly not. If it was, it wouldn't be one
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  Speaker 3: and five. But they can get more from this roster.
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  Speaker 3: I had a long conversation with Bucky Brooks in the
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  Speaker 3: post game after the post game at Tottenham the other day,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, his enduring thought was, they've got a
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  Speaker 3: whittle it down to what they can do what they
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  Speaker 3: do well, and not try to think about how you
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  Speaker 3: can build on things until you get back to being
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  Speaker 3: productive and effective with what you do well. And that's
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  Speaker 3: both sides of the ball, right, whether it's the the
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  Speaker 3: underneath stuff that worked so well against the Colts and
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  Speaker 3: getting back to that, or whether it's not rotating as
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  Speaker 3: much on the defensive side and keeping guys on the
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  Speaker 3: field more. Because that rotation has been a storyline so
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  Speaker 3: far through the first six games of the season. It's
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  Speaker 3: about getting more from the roster from this point forward.
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  Speaker 4: I want to catch the balls too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did mention that the other day.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's a thought, clearly. I mean, approach is
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  Speaker 4: one thing, just making plays when they're there, which seems
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  Speaker 4: like a refrain. We've gone over and over this year
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  Speaker 4: as an us to make the darn play well.
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  Speaker 3: And I want to be clear on this. Getting more
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  Speaker 3: from the roster isn't just on the coach is simplifying, right,
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  Speaker 3: It's guys getting the most out of their talent, catching
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  Speaker 3: the ball, making the tackle and.
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  Speaker 1: Making silly mistakes when you do make it exactly. Our
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  Speaker 1: final big thing today is going to be about streaks.
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  Speaker 1: Streaky this team has been, especially under Doug Peterson, started
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  Speaker 1: poorly in twenty twenty two, ended well, started well, last year,
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  Speaker 1: ended poorly, started poorly here. This team tends to when
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  Speaker 1: they're good, they're good, and when they're not doing well,
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  Speaker 1: they slide. How Brian, do you work around that and
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  Speaker 1: try to get yourself out of this so this doesn't
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  Speaker 1: turn into another multi game thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's important to point out because we both
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  Speaker 3: just said that the roster is a pretty good roster.
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  Speaker 3: There isn't any reason why they can't turn it on
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday. And I get it. The Patriots have a
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  Speaker 3: rookie quarterback, they've lost five straight games, they've got a
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  Speaker 3: brand new coach. So if the Jaguars come out and
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  Speaker 3: put a number on the Patriots on Sunday, people and go, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they beat the Patriots. But there isn't any reason why
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  Speaker 3: they can't create some momentum here, start playing good football,
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  Speaker 3: which they haven't yet this year, and try to turn
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  Speaker 3: that side a bit around. I mean, what's a strong finish?
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  Speaker 3: I mean they started strong last year and then it
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  Speaker 3: just went on hill and it's started at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of the hill and it's gone down a little lower.
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  Speaker 3: Do they have to go eat in three? You probably
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  Speaker 3: have to go eight in three for it to be
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  Speaker 3: a strong.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say eight and three, you still got
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  Speaker 4: to be over five hundred, and eight and three would
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  Speaker 4: get them over five hundred. That seems a distant dream
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  Speaker 4: right now the way they're playing. But think about it.
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  Speaker 4: I was look at this season like this. So far,
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  Speaker 4: you've had two awful games. The rest of them, you've
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  Speaker 4: had a chance. The Houston Texans might be as good
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  Speaker 4: as anything in the league right now save a couple
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  Speaker 4: of teams at the top, and the Jaguar should have
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  Speaker 4: beaten them. So can this team get to that point
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  Speaker 4: where it has a chance at the end of games
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  Speaker 4: against good teams, Yes, clearly it can't. Can they make
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  Speaker 4: those key plays at the end of those games against
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  Speaker 4: good teams? They have to show that. But if they
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  Speaker 4: do it, it's there. But I can't predict that right
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  Speaker 4: now the way they've played. Well, you know, it was
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  Speaker 4: the Cowboys got clobbered at home of what was that
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  Speaker 4: forty seven or nine. I mean, they got beat badly
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  Speaker 4: by the Detroit Lions. And Mike McCarthy came out the
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  Speaker 4: next day and he's been under they're three and three,
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  Speaker 4: and he said, I relish the chance to turn this
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  Speaker 4: thing around.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what else is he supposed to say. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's getting mocked in the media about that, but you
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  Speaker 3: know they've got they've got eleven games left to play
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  Speaker 3: as well. I kind of like to see Doug Peterson
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  Speaker 3: or the players step up and kind of say that thing.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they're they're thinking it, but you make that line
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  Speaker 3: in the sand and go, we can turn this around,
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  Speaker 3: and we want to turn it around, and we're going
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  Speaker 3: to turn it around something along those lines, because at
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  Speaker 3: this point you got to go and prove it. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to go and get it done. And I guarantee
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  Speaker 3: you kuy they believe that they can win Sunday, and
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  Speaker 3: they believe they can win the next Sunday. They they
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  Speaker 3: don't lack in a confidence perspective from their ability to
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  Speaker 3: go out on the field on Sunday and think enough
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  Speaker 3: of themselves to go win.
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  Speaker 4: So I think one nighth difficult for him is when
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  Speaker 4: you've lost ten of twelve. Yeah, I know after games,
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  Speaker 4: if I'm a player, I am a little self conscious
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  Speaker 4: about saying the same thing I said before, which is
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  Speaker 4: that we can get it turned around. So I know
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  Speaker 4: they're feeling that. I kind of get why the players
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  Speaker 4: are hesitant. Even Trevor said the other day, I can't
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  Speaker 4: sit up here and say everything. I'm paraphrasing, but he said,
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  Speaker 4: I can't sit up here and say everything's great or
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  Speaker 4: pound the table because you've heard that before. So there's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a hesitancy on that. But I
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  Speaker 4: get the feeling. I do get to feeling, and I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have to pound the table, just say we
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  Speaker 4: can turn it around. It starts on Sunday. We got
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  Speaker 4: to turn it around. We believe we can turn it around.
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  Speaker 4: There's not a lot of energy for this team in
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  Speaker 4: the fan base, and nobody was surprised by that. The
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  Speaker 4: way to turn it around is to go win the
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  Speaker 4: next one. Go win the next one. You remember they
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  Speaker 4: lost those five games in a row in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: two after starting two and one, and they were all
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  Speaker 4: one score games at the end, and the question was
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  Speaker 4: every week, Doug, what's it going to take for your
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  Speaker 4: team to get over the top. Doug, how do you
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  Speaker 4: win a close game at the end? You know, Doug
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  Speaker 4: what's going on, and he just kept being patient and
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  Speaker 4: patient and patient and knew that at some point they
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  Speaker 4: get it done. And then they did against the Raiders
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  Speaker 4: and things started to go their way. So maybe they
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  Speaker 4: need one of those come from behind games, because I
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  Speaker 4: remember they were down seventeen nothing to the Raiders in
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  Speaker 4: that game. Maybe they need one of these come from
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  Speaker 4: behind to believe enough in themselves to start it. The
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  Speaker 4: cool thing kai the NFL is always nice enough to
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  Speaker 4: give you another opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely eleven more. All right, stay with this here on
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  Speaker 1: jackson We're going to talk about what we might see
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  Speaker 1: as far as changes go to the defensive side.
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  Speaker 2: Of the football when we come back.
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  Speaker 1: but it is nice to be here and be able
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  Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about what the defense is
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  Speaker 1: going to be doing. We talked about some of the
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  Speaker 1: changes we might see. Obviously they allowed the Bears to
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  Speaker 1: score at thirty five points, so we're gonna see changes regardless.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen Tyson Campbell on the practice field. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to practice this week. His practice window has opened.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know if he will be playing yet, but
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  Speaker 1: that's something to consider, especially with what we've seen from
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  Speaker 1: the secondary. John.
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  Speaker 2: How helpful is it going to mean to get Tyson back?
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  Speaker 4: Well, my vibe is that he'll be back. Doug didn't
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  Speaker 4: say it on Monday, but the way he talked about it,
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  Speaker 4: it sort of felt like he'll be back. Look, he's
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  Speaker 4: your best player in the secondary, or he better be
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  Speaker 4: with the way you paid him, and I think he is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know that he's a takeaway aside of the
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  Speaker 4: field guy, Brian, but he is a guy who makes
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  Speaker 4: you better at a spot. Certainly he would give you
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  Speaker 4: confidence being back there. Look, I don't think one guy
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  Speaker 4: is going to fix everything, but one guy can raise
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  Speaker 4: your level and then over time, if you get Dewey back,
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  Speaker 4: who is very consistent, Probably not this week, right, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if he's your best athlete in the secondary,
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  Speaker 4: but he might be your most instinctive player and your
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  Speaker 4: best tackler. So if you can get some guys back,
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  Speaker 4: it'll help. But even with those guys, Frankly, I think
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  Speaker 4: it's still more about the front not having those guys
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  Speaker 4: under as much pressure. But Tyson would improve it. I
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  Speaker 4: don't disagree. The front's got to get it done. However,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they were really happy with the way that
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  Speaker 4: Tyson was playing in the first half in Miami before
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  Speaker 4: he injured that hamstring. And what I think he allows
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  Speaker 4: you to do is to move Ronald Darby into a
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  Speaker 4: different role and get Monteric Brown over on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the field. Monterrek has earned the right to
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  Speaker 4: think so he's played really, really well, not just in coverage,
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  Speaker 4: but up against the run for one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 4: five pounds. I mean, that guy throws himself in there
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  Speaker 4: against the run like few cornerbacks you see in the
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  Speaker 4: modern game. And that then allows you to get Darby
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  Speaker 4: some rest. I mean, he's a ten year veteran, get
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  Speaker 4: him into a different role. You got a couple of
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  Speaker 4: other young guys, Trey Prince in particular, that is probably
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  Speaker 4: going to see some time on the field over the
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  Speaker 4: second half of the season. So maybe you get faster
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  Speaker 4: in the second deary and a little bit more athletic.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully that factors into it as well well. And had
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  Speaker 4: to bring another position into it, Dewey monterre Ventrel Meller.
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  Speaker 4: These guys, you know, just play with energy, right and
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  Speaker 4: it just feels like that group. And Tyson does too,
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  Speaker 4: he's more cornerbacks. Is hard to play with it you
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  Speaker 4: with energy, but those three guys, it just feels like
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  Speaker 4: getting them on the field, you would have a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of an emotional lift for a team looking for
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  Speaker 4: something right now.
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  Speaker 3: Now that being said, because we talk about young guys,
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  Speaker 3: and we've been talking about them a lot, there is
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  Speaker 3: an older guy that you might get this week, right
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  Speaker 3: to Sean Gibson, who can come back this week if
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  Speaker 3: he's cleared by the league, And as of Monday, the
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  Speaker 3: coach still hadn't heard, you know, direct verification from the league.
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  Speaker 3: But you're talking about a ten year veteran who was
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  Speaker 3: in San Francisco last year and was in Chicago before that,
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  Speaker 3: and had spent some time with the Jags, a veteran
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  Speaker 3: guy who could give you a lift perhaps at the
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  Speaker 3: safety position, which was a little better last week but
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  Speaker 3: still not good enough.
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  Speaker 1: Ran When you talk about using Darby in a different role.
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  Speaker 1: Is that just not having him on the field as much.
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  Speaker 1: Do you see him kind of in a different place
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  Speaker 1: in the secondary or how would you do it, because
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  Speaker 1: obviously we saw him struggle against the Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'd move Monteric over there. The different role would
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  Speaker 3: be he'd be a backup. He'd be a guy who'd
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  Speaker 3: come in, you know, when I need to give a
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  Speaker 3: guy a break, if a guy's got an injury, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he's the break glass in case of emergency, bring the
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  Speaker 3: veteran back out on the field. I just think Monterrek
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  Speaker 3: Brown is a guy who's been rising the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of years, and has been rising since he went into
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  Speaker 3: the lineup. And if Tyson Campbell's your one, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: who's number two to.
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  Speaker 4: You, well, Monteric. My sense is they may make that
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  Speaker 4: transition slowly. I got to feel like the transition's coming.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if it would be immediate, but I
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  Speaker 4: just can't see him taking that long because Monterics aren't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too bad to take Monteric off the field
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  Speaker 2: at this point. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Roy Roberts and Harrison
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  Speaker 1: getting Harris getting traded to Seattle, so that opens up
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  Speaker 1: a spot. We talked a lot about the subbing that
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  Speaker 1: they've done on the defensive side of the football. They
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: were using Roy at times on the edge as well,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: because they're isn't a ton of edge players on this team.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: So what do you think, John, are some of the
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: changes we're gonna be seeing now that they have one
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: less player there.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: That's a good question because it has frankly been sort
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: of hard to follow and figure out what they're doing
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: upfront because they don't have very many defensive ends. So
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Trayvon and Josh, I've got to think, and I get
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: the want to rotate those guys. Got to think those
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: guys need to be on the field more. At that point.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Eric Armstead is the other guy in the rotation. You'll
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: move somebody out, but I don't want to be like
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: a cute about it. But I'm not sure who does
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: go out now, because Roy Robinson Harris was one of
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: those four guys out there, Miles Cole will come up.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: You need a big dose to that. So I think
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: it's Armstead, Cole and the two stalwarts and inside Brian.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: It's been a lot of guys but not a lot
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: of guys who've distinguished themselves yet, so they're gonna get
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: more of an opportunity.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: But two guys that fly both in the last couple
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: of weeks, in particular last week Jordan Jefferson Sure and
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Mason Smith, and it's time. It is time and listen.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Jordan Jefferson's a really big, strong guy and he was
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: moving people when you see that. If you're Ryan Nielsen,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: you want more of that. He's young, you know he
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: can play more snaps, So you get him in there.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: You've got to Devon Hamilton. Mason Smith will be in
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: there and listen. Maybe I'm the only guy. I'm not
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: the only guy that thinks that Eric Armstead should take
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: some snaps inside as well. He was a Pro Bowl
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: caliber interior pass rusher in a three technique in San Francisco,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: and what we've heard is he came here to play
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: in but you just don't see the same explosion, the
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: same quick twitch from Eric Armstead kai at end that
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: you see from forty one and forty four, but interior,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: with his length and his strength, I would think he
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: would be able to give you some snaps in there too.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more I sort of wonder with the numbers,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: who you play out there.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: If he will play out there. I mean, he looks
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: like it's six, So be interesting to see how that
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: plays out. Let's put it that way for me.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Unless Trayvon or Josh asks off the field, I would
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: want them at this point on the field.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want them on.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: It's not entirely unusual. Let's clarify. For that position to
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: do that, it rotates some. They rotate a little more
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: than I've seen before. You have to rotate a little
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: bit on the defensive line because you're past rushing and
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: it takes a lot out of you. So you're not
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: going to see one hundred percent snaps out of those guys.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: To me, what's interesting is there's an opportunity now in
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the middle of the defense because nobody's really distinguished themselves there.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: There's more of an opportunity than I thought there would
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: be for Mason Smith and Jordan Jefferson to shine this year.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about just the offenside of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the football. We heard Travis Etn dealing with an injury
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: now himself, so week to week is how Doug Peterson
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: described it on Monday, so he may be missing some time.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: With what we've seen from Tank. We've been talking about
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: get Tank more carries, but I noticed that they've been
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: using Dearnest a lot specifically. Still when we talk about
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Tank in pass coverage. You know whether he can handle that.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: He hasn't been trusted with it a lot in the past,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and I noticed in this game they really went leaned
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: towards Dearnest, especially late when they had to throw the football.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Is that trust still there? Because we talk about the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: trust and it's fine when you're winning, but then sometimes
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: with games like this, and he also fumbled the ball
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: in this game, is it still there?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I would say that they did not trust him as
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: much as they trusted Dearnest that much. It's clear you
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: can say that how much they trust him. We'll have
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: to hear from Doug and Press this week. But he's
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: going to have to be on the field. I mean,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: he he's a playmaker. The last couple of weeks he's
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: made some plays. You need to try to replicate that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And Dearnest is dependable and can make some plays, but
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: he's he's not Tank bigspeople, so and you don't really
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: have a throw.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: He's very reliable in pass protection as a pass receiver.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: That's not Tank's strengths. So they're trying give them credit
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: for trying to get the best players on the field
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: for a given situation, and that clearly still is not
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: yet Tank in terms of being I'm gonna use the
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: old terminology a third down back. You know, when you
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: look at Tank, you really don't think, hey, this is
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: a guy that we need to be on the field
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: on third and seven a lot. It'd be better on
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: second and three when you have the option given in
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the ball. So he if Travis is out for very long,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: he's gonna need to play that role. But it doesn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: feel like they're that comfortable with him in that yet,
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: and they can do some things to help. But Breton
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Strange has emerged as a really good blocking tight end.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: They can do some things with him in terms of
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: protection schemes and finding ways to help the quarterback as well.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Stay with us here on Jagsam. Coming up, we'll talk
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit about what's been going on around the division.
• 20:02
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• 20:09
  Speaker 1: are just northwest of London as we're here for the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: week as team prepares for their game at Wembley Stadium
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: against the Patriots. We got a little bit of a
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: preview of what we may see this week because the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Patriots quarterback Drake May, drafted this year, started his first
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: game for the team, played against the Texans this week
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and this will be this second week in a row
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see a rooie quarterback. Hopefully it fairs a
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: little bit better than the first time around.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Through three touchdown passes last week so for the game
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: was out of control. But for the Patriots fans who
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: hung around, they got to see the new era in
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: full swing, right, new coach, new quarterback.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they like where he's headed. He's making his second start.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I think the clarification here is that the Patriots, by
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: any measure as a franchise right now, are not where
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: the Bears are. The Bears felt like they were an
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: ascending team, believe during the season that they were adding
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback to a already a certainty. The Patriots
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: very much have a plan for Drake May, and they
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: realize that they are a team that is in the
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: first year of a build. So I think Jared Mayo
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: said this week as a matter of fact, look, this
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: is not an immediate fix. I'm paraphrasing him, but he
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: made clear that there's a long way to go in
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: their build. Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: The way they've been going about the process as well,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: choosing not to start him right out of the gate
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to kind of get him used to things. Their offensive
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: line has more issues than what we've been dealing with,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: which is impressive at times, and so there will be
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: opportunity there. Obviously we know their record it shows as well,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but just a lot of injury for that team.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: And Jacoby Brissett through two touchdown passes in the first
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: five games, and then may comes in and throws three.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So right away, they're telling you with this kid.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And they have receivers.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I spoke with Mike Rice this week
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: of ESPN, who's as good as on the Patriots as anybody.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: They fooled some people, he thought by winning their first
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: game and the expectations win. They wayne wins very much.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: They're's going to be a bill. They won their first game,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: right said, Oh, it might be further along. He said,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: they're not further on than that. This season for the
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Patriots is about let's see where Drake may is at
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: the end of the year, and if he's good, if
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: they know he's as sending, then they feel like it's
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: a good year. That's not an unusual situation for a bill,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: but that's where the Patriots are.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Elsewhere in the AFC South, we see the Colts got
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to win over the Titans as Anthony Richards is still
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not back atty I think he was the emergency third
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: string quarterback, but still going with Joe Flacco at this point,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: they're at three and three, the Titans struggling at one
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: in five, and we've seen I did want to mention
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: our old friend Calvin Ridley not happy with the quarterback
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: situation over there, which I mean we saw is he
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: got frustrated at times here as well, but he's definitely
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: frustrated in Nashville at this point.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Well when he signed with the Titans, I mean, Levice
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: is this big armed quarterback, but he's very inaccurate. And
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: then of course you compound that with Calvin, who didn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: really run precise routes. I thought that was going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: be a match made in discord from the very beginning.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: But he took the money right. He wanted the money,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: he got it. They were willing to design him at
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Jacksonville and give Hm an opportunity to work with a
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: more proficient quarterback, and he took the money over it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: So Calvin, you get what you signed for.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: I did enjoy it, though it was It was interesting.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: It'll be fun, it'll be interesting to watch.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It was interesting because the Titans fans had a lot
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to say about it when it was happening in Jacksonville.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Now that it's over there, it's it's not a thing anymore.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: And a word on the Colts. The Colts have to
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: me done an impressive job early in the season when
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: things have been tricky and rocky, they have managed to
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: keep themselves a full three and three. They feel like
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: they're having the kind of season that I wish the
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Jaguars had had so far. Mean, he's been rocky. If
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the Jaguars could have gotten a couple, then they're three
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: and three and you feel like you're so kind of
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: hanging on. The Colts have been able to do that,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: so as a result, they're still alive. I'm not sure
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: how great the Colts are, but they have managed to
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: keep themselves in a position where now if they get
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: on a run, they're okay for this franchise. You know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: at one to five, I think the Jaggons are capable
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: of a run. Yeah, but the whole early on you
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: gotta do what the Colts have done, which is sort
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: of hang on and scrape and be in position when
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: you do put it together. And that's what's too bad
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: about this thing.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: That grit. I mean, they just they they put themselves
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: in a position. And they've got a couple of players.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jonathan Taylor's a home run shitter when he's healthy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately for Hima has been healthy, and I think Michael
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Pittman's a good receiver. I think the Downs kid has
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the potential to be really good. And then of course,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: if they can get a couple of guys back on
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: their defensive front, if they could just hang around Apps,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: they'll be in the mix. When it's all said and done.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars have to climb, Yeah, they really have to climb,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and it's got to be a much more dramatic. But
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: when we talk about that's a great example, John, when
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: we talk about, you know, toughness, toughness for a team
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that's been assured as they are. Here's three and three.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: That's really to you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Right away to win at the end, and yeah, nobody
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: cares if you played bad or not.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: No find a way say with here on Jagsamon will
• 25:23
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• 25:25
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  Speaker 4: Hey, you gotta crush the Flogget on them, bro, everybody,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: everybody mean not the cue me not in a que
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: timbo tibo tembo. I will quit, Oh I will, I will.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's on you.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Stay to yother, baby, stay to yother.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Strayvon Walker miked up in that game against the Bears
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: trying to corral Caleb Williams.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That was gonna be a great play.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It was gonna be a great play. That's just in
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: my mind. It will always be a great play.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: We just unfortunately didn't get the end result we wanted.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I do want to take a moment because we celebrated
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: our one hundredth episode last week I did say we
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: were gonna give away some prizes, and we have now
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: our winner of that trivia question, which was how many
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: players have a one hundred yard rushing game in franchise history?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Jeremiah for six four? The correct answer is seventeen. Now, Brian,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: name all of them?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: No, I can't, No, No, I can't.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: I could probably go through most of the list, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: there's a couple of names in there, so Elvis Joseph
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: that s evil would be like who right? I can
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: tell you the first ones Sam Stewart in Saint Louis
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: hundred nineteen yards rushing in October nineteen ninety six, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the most recent, the most regent, was Tanks. Thanks bakes
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Bank for sure, very good. We didn't make anybody show
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: their work. So Jeremiah, congratulations. You're gonna get your Fred
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Taylor throwback jersey, a couple of other odds and ends,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: a London T shirt and of course jags to riches.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: If you would like something personalized, John, I'm sure would
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: oblige with a pleasant message in there.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll oblige you for the message, a pleasantry.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: A pleasantry of some kind. All right, what are you
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: guys up to? This week obviously, we practice here at
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the Grove north of London for a couple more days
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and then back at Wembley.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I'm going to catch up with offensive line coach Phil
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Rauscher for the first time this year. You know, the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: first three weeks it was rocky for that group, but
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: then they appear to have stabilized and found ground in
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the quarterback had time to stand up in the pocket.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: So he's also the run game coordinator for this team,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and the running game has been working really well. So
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: we should have a lot to talk about with Phil.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna have tea with it's you. You're gonna have
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: tea with Walker, I mean with Cam Little and Mason Smith. Yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that'll be fun. I talked about Terrek Brown for thee
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: O Zone podcast. Looking forward to it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, stay with us. Will be back on
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: JAGXAM on Thursday. Get you all ready for that game
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: against the Patriots.