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UK Column News - 18th August 2025 · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the eighteenth of August twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK column News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your Hopes Bryan Garish. Delighted to have Ben Rubin
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  Speaker 1: with me here at the studio. Hello Ben, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: also be joined by Diane Rasmus and mcaddie on live
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  Speaker 1: link from the northeast of England. Now we're going to
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  Speaker 1: kick off on this subject of really remembering remembering the war,
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  Speaker 1: and this has been an important theme, particularly over the
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  Speaker 1: last few days and certainly over the weekend. And I
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  Speaker 1: had the opportunity to attend a local event here in Devon,
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  Speaker 1: was close to Yelverton on Dartmoor and this is effectively
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  Speaker 1: the site of the old ref base Harrow Beer. It
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  Speaker 1: was a fantastic two days. I've got a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of video clip here to give you an idea of
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  Speaker 1: what was taking place. But of course this little clip
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  Speaker 1: is bittersweet because people having fun, very enjoyable time. The
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  Speaker 1: sun was shining, but at the end of the day
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  Speaker 1: it was memories of war and of course the hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of people that died from the UK side
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  Speaker 1: of the millions of people that died worldwide. Let's have
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  Speaker 1: a look at the clip and then we can just
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  Speaker 1: discuss it a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: My part, Hardy's jumping, didn't you really start? I am
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  Speaker 2: probably in heaven, web out far and.
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  Speaker 3: I am probably in heaven we out far.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there we are. The weather was superb. There was
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  Speaker 1: actually a huge amount of people. Many people attended both
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  Speaker 1: days because they found the Saturday to be so tremendous,
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  Speaker 1: and as you can see from some of those images,
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  Speaker 1: many many people put a huge amount of effort into
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  Speaker 1: bringing vehicles, appearing in military uniform of the day, talking
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  Speaker 1: about what was happening to the civilians. There was displays,
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  Speaker 1: there were stalls, there was all sorts of things, so
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  Speaker 1: a huge amount of effort, and overall people were having
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful time, which was absolutely great. Then, but as
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  Speaker 1: you walked around and you saw some of the relics
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  Speaker 1: of the Second World War, your mind, of course was
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  Speaker 1: brought back on the utter bloodshed of that war, and
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  Speaker 1: as with the First World War, we were told never again.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to bring people's attention to the government
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  Speaker 1: because while the government was very keen that people route
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  Speaker 1: with that kind of event, to remember Vjday or V Day,
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  Speaker 1: the government itself has got a very very duplicitous message.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to Healey MP speaking.
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  Speaker 4: Today.
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  Speaker 5: The fifteenth of August marks the eightieth anniversary of Vjday,
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  Speaker 5: victory over Japan, Victory over Japan and the end of
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  Speaker 5: the Second World War. It reminds us why for many
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  Speaker 5: in the UK, the celebrations for V Day in nineteen
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  Speaker 5: forty five were not the end of the story. For
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  Speaker 5: the Second World War would continue for another three months.
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  Speaker 5: In the Far East. British, Commonwealth and Allied forces were
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  Speaker 5: still fighting a grueling battle, a coalition of nations refusing
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  Speaker 5: to bow in the face of tyranny, a coalition of
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  Speaker 5: nations forging alliances that still keep us safe today. But
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  Speaker 5: too many made the ultimate sacrifice. Thirty thousand British personnel.
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  Speaker 5: Many more from Commonwealth and Allied forces would lose their
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  Speaker 5: lives in the Far East Campaign. Many who returned could
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  Speaker 5: never bring themselves to speak about the conditions they endured
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  Speaker 5: or the horrors they witnessed. We know the courage, we
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  Speaker 5: know the resilience they showed to bring about a brighter future,
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  Speaker 5: and after years of conflict, a lasting peace their courage,
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  Speaker 5: their dedication, their sacrifice still inspires every member of the
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  Speaker 5: armed forces today, and today the British people remember and
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  Speaker 5: pay tribute.
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  Speaker 1: I'll apologize to our audience for showing all of that
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  Speaker 1: little clip, but I wanted to show it all because
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  Speaker 1: for me, I find the duplicity of what's going on
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  Speaker 1: here Ben just truly appalling, but also the presentation, the
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  Speaker 1: false sincerity, the music, the atmosphere that here is this wonderful,
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  Speaker 1: concerned man who is there in the world to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that we don't have any more bloodshed on that scale.
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  Speaker 1: And yet of course in the background, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: British government absolutely stoking up the war in Ukraine and
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  Speaker 1: of course fully supporting Israel in the horrors that have
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  Speaker 1: been happening in Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: Ben.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know whether you've got any comments on it,
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  Speaker 1: but these video clips they're very polished and glossy, but
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  Speaker 1: I find them quite nauseating.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, well they're they're they're polishing over our barity, absolute horror.
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  Speaker 4: As my grandfather was a Japanese prisoner of war, and
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  Speaker 4: like he just said, he never spoke of it, couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't, couldn't even talk about it, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the young men I spoke to at the events there
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  Speaker 1: are harrow beer at the weekend also told me of
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  Speaker 1: relations that he'd been able to speak to when he
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  Speaker 1: was very, very small, some of whom would talk about
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  Speaker 1: horrors and some wouldn't. But is the government in UK
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  Speaker 1: working for peace? I think not. Is the King working
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  Speaker 1: for peace? Well, I think the jury is out, but
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  Speaker 1: I effectively think he's also on board, as we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But let's have a listen to part of the King's message.
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  Speaker 6: Far from her.
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  Speaker 7: A long.
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  Speaker 6: The war is over years ago today for short words,
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  Speaker 6: after six long years of bloodshed, fear and suffering. Seldom
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  Speaker 6: in a simple message they resonated with such a potent
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  Speaker 6: mix of relief, celebration as sorrow for those who never
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  Speaker 6: lived to see the glow of Freedom's moved all on
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  Speaker 6: this day of profound remembers. I speak to you in
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  Speaker 6: that same spirit of collaboration and celebration, as the honor
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  Speaker 6: knew all those whose service were sacrificed, all the forces
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  Speaker 6: of limative prevail.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Ben, I'm certainly not frightened to say that I
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  Speaker 1: find the hypocrisy of the King truly breasttaking because of course,
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  Speaker 1: is he setting out to help achieve peace in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly he is not. We'll see in a minute. He's
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  Speaker 1: interfacing with Zelensky, but basically governments and the royalty themselves
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  Speaker 1: talking one thing, but behind the public's back fully engaged
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  Speaker 1: in making sure that the war's taking place, immense bloodshed,
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  Speaker 1: particularly in Ukraine, horrors also in Gaza. No effort to
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  Speaker 1: actually install peace, but plenty of effort to ramp up
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  Speaker 1: the weapons. Let's have a little look at headlines for
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  Speaker 1: the papers, and of course there's only one thing to
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  Speaker 1: be shown on this, which is Zelenski. So the Times
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  Speaker 1: Zolensky wants security guarantees before a deal. It's presented to
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  Speaker 1: the public as oo. Zelensky is the man that the
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  Speaker 1: British public should pay attention to. Who cares what Zelenski wants.
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  Speaker 1: He's helped to keep this vile war in Ukraine going
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  Speaker 1: for the length of time it has. We've got the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph Europe tells Trump, don't give in to Putin.
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  Speaker 1: So this is part of the message Putin bad regime.
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  Speaker 1: Change got to happen in Russia and of course Ukraine
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  Speaker 1: with the proxy war and the proxy troops are going
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  Speaker 1: to be the force to do it, the Daily Mail
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  Speaker 1: d day. So now we've equated Ukraine to the Second
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  Speaker 1: World War. This is all part of propaganda aimed at
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  Speaker 1: the British public mind. In my appearance and finally from
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  Speaker 1: the Mirror, as I suppose we might expect Ukraine war showdown.
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  Speaker 1: Europe takes a stand. So the papers only putting one
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  Speaker 1: message across, and that is basically that the war has
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  Speaker 1: got to be ended on the lines that Zelenski thinks
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  Speaker 1: Russia is bad and if there's no peace agreement then
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  Speaker 1: of course UK and the EU in particular prepared to
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  Speaker 1: pump in the weapons. But it's quite clear Ben that
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  Speaker 1: UK and Europe very nervous about where Trump may take
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  Speaker 1: these negotiations. Okay, so if you have a look at
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  Speaker 1: the Guardian today as well as the Zelensky headline here
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, you can euse Zelensky side for talks with Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Down at the bottom was an interesting little headline almost
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  Speaker 1: lost IDF prepares to force one million people out of
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  Speaker 1: Gaza City. So here's another horror going on in the
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  Speaker 1: world today. Are we seeing British politicians, indeed, are we
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  Speaker 1: seeing the King put on the pressure to stop the
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  Speaker 1: violence in either place. Absolutely not. Rather, we've got the King,
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  Speaker 1: of course, meeting up with Zelensky. And if we just
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  Speaker 1: play a little bit of video here, we can see
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  Speaker 1: Zelenski arriving to meet the King. Notice he's not allowed
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  Speaker 1: to step forward, would until he was actually invited to
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  Speaker 1: do so. So it's very clear who's got the power
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  Speaker 1: in this particular incident. But of course this is the
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  Speaker 1: King greeting this man like a long lost friend, but
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  Speaker 1: Zelenski ultimately responsible for hundreds of thousands, if not million,
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  Speaker 1: plus deaths of his own countrymen fighting a proxy war
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  Speaker 1: for the UK and the West. Diane, just very quickly,
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  Speaker 1: I'll bring you in here. I find this truly appalling
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  Speaker 1: as this comes out of the woodwork. But essentially we've
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  Speaker 1: had the same thing going on in America with this
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  Speaker 1: massive support for a war clearly designed to try and
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  Speaker 1: achieve regime change in Russia.
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  Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I think that's something that people miss
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  Speaker 2: because we're seeing so much on the American side of
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  Speaker 2: the pond where people are still very pro Trump, but
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  Speaker 2: they don't realize what's actually happening because he's doing so
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  Speaker 2: many things to distract the sexual agenda that's playing out
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  Speaker 2: in the background, and I think that the media is
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  Speaker 2: obviously contributing to that by saying, oh, he's wonderful, He's
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  Speaker 2: doing all these great things, but in the background, what
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  Speaker 2: he's actually doing is not something that the public is
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  Speaker 2: aware of. And maybe there wouldn't be so much on
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  Speaker 2: his side if they are being a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: honest about these deals that he's doing in the background.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a very very good point, Diane, because of
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  Speaker 1: course the public being told very little in UK and
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  Speaker 1: as we will mention in a few moments time, will
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  Speaker 1: be pointing out that, of course no real figures of
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  Speaker 1: the number of Ukrainian casualties, so this is a war
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  Speaker 1: only fought with apparently Russian casualties. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian troops
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  Speaker 1: simply don't matter they or can and fodder. I find
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  Speaker 1: it quite obscene, but I wanted to play once again
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  Speaker 1: the clip of Starmer and Zelenski, which I've called a
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  Speaker 1: love affair. Might cover this with the UK column News
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  Speaker 1: on Frey Day, but I think it's worth showing this
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  Speaker 1: appalling clip again to getting a feel for just how
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  Speaker 1: deep into the bed Kiir Starmer is with Zelenski. So
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  Speaker 1: presumably Zelenski had to point out where Ukraine actually was
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  Speaker 1: on that huge globe, so that Kiir Starmer was fully
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  Speaker 1: up to speed. But as I saw them walking around
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  Speaker 1: the garden with the flowers, it really should have taken
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  Speaker 1: one of them to put on the dress and they
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  Speaker 1: would have been the loving couple. Now, this is what
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  Speaker 1: Kiir Starmer had to say at the weekend about what
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  Speaker 1: was happening with regard to the talks. He said that
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  Speaker 1: Trump's efforts have brought us closer than ever before to
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  Speaker 1: ending Russia's illegal war in Ukraine. No mention, of course,
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  Speaker 1: of the provagations of the West. His leadership and pursuit
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  Speaker 1: of an end to the killing should be commended. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's apart from the weapons which America's pumped in a course,
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  Speaker 1: whilst progress has been made, the next step must be
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  Speaker 1: further talks involving President Zelenski. The path to peace in
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  Speaker 1: Ukraine cannot be decided without him. So that's effectively saying
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  Speaker 1: that there is no pass paths for a path to
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  Speaker 1: peace without Zelenski himself, and he said it. Kirstommer went
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  Speaker 1: on to say, I spoke to President Zelenski this morning,
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  Speaker 1: President Trump and other European partners, and we all stand
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  Speaker 1: ready to support this next phase, and the missive went on.
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  Speaker 1: I welcome the openness of the United States alongside Europe
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  Speaker 1: to provide robust security guarantees to Ukraine part of any deal.
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  Speaker 1: This is important progress and will be crucial in deterring
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  Speaker 1: Putin for coming back for more when they seem to
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  Speaker 1: regard this as some sort of game in the language
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  Speaker 1: that's being used here. In the meantime, until Putin stops
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  Speaker 1: his barbaric assault, we will keep tightening the screws on
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  Speaker 1: his war machine with even more sanctions, which already had
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  Speaker 1: a punishing impact on the Russian economy and its people
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  Speaker 1: are a waving and wavering support for Ukraine will continue
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  Speaker 1: as long as it takes. I just find this crass.
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  Speaker 4: I can't think of I'd imagine that Putin is quaking
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  Speaker 4: in his boots right now. Be Wustarma is going to
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  Speaker 4: ramp up the sanctions.
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  Speaker 1: Or indeed so sanctions and sanctions, But of course the
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  Speaker 1: reality is that the Russians at the moment are overcoming
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  Speaker 1: not only Ukraine, but the full might of the West,
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  Speaker 1: including the United States. We just have a look at
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  Speaker 1: these little film clips here which just shows some of
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  Speaker 1: the activity on the front. And the point I'm making
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  Speaker 1: here is that the Ukrainians are being destroyed on the
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  Speaker 1: battlefield because the Russians were able to bring weapons to
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  Speaker 1: the front, which the Ukrainians can't despite Western missile defense
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  Speaker 1: systems such as Patriot. The truth of the matter is
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  Speaker 1: that Ukrainian forces hammered on the front lines, and so
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  Speaker 1: whenever we look at casualty figures, we can be very
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  Speaker 1: sure that Ukrainian casualty figures much higher than for the Russians.
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  Speaker 1: This is actually a video clip of the aftermath of
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  Speaker 1: an explosion of an ammunition dump, of very large Ukrainian
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  Speaker 1: ammunition dump, and this once again shows that the power
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  Speaker 1: of the Russian weapons is having a huge effect.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Most of the propaganda coming out of uk is coming
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  Speaker 1: from Defense HQ Defense Intelligence. This is one of their
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  Speaker 1: latest reports which says that President Putin has reiterated longstanding
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  Speaker 1: maximalist demands regarding Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. So no
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  Speaker 1: mention of what was happening in twenty fourteen and the
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  Speaker 1: vicious attacks by Ukraine on the Donbas areas and the
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  Speaker 1: Russian speaking people. Most of this is pure propaganda coming
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  Speaker 1: out of Defense HQ. But this is where it gets
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  Speaker 1: interesting because essentially they're crowing, they're mocking the Russians and
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  Speaker 1: saying it's going to take them four and a half
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  Speaker 1: more years of war and approximately one point nine million
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  Speaker 1: further Russian casualties killed and wounded if they're going to
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  Speaker 1: take the remaining ground in Ukraine. Now, of course, what
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  Speaker 1: there isn't in this report is any mention of the
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  Speaker 1: I put a million, because this is the number being
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  Speaker 1: mentioned increasingly by analyst into the Ukrainian War. A million
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  Speaker 1: Ukrainian war dead that is not being mentioned. Ukrainian casualties
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  Speaker 1: don't count because they are simply the proxy soldiers of
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  Speaker 1: the West. So we'll just end this segment by having
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  Speaker 1: a look at Kiir Stormer another video. But this is
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  Speaker 1: where he's saying, trust me, because I only have the
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  Speaker 1: best interests of the uk population at heart.
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  Speaker 9: Across Britain, people get up every morning to go to work,
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  Speaker 9: to get their kids to school, They pay their bills,
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  Speaker 9: try to save a bit. They graft the factory workers,
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  Speaker 9: small business owners, teachers, carers, those who serve our country,
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  Speaker 9: whether that's in scrubs or the uniform of their regiment,
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  Speaker 9: the ordinary people of men and women who make this
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  Speaker 9: country what it is, people like you and your and
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  Speaker 9: that's who I think of every time I face a decision.
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  Speaker 9: I know, like all of us, you are proud of
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  Speaker 9: our country. We all love our country. But I also
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  Speaker 9: know that at times he doesn't feel like Britain is
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  Speaker 9: fair enough for those people, the people who are getting
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  Speaker 9: on with it, and that's what drives me forward at
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  Speaker 9: home or representing our interests Appoard, I'm putting you first.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the claim there, Ben is very clear he puts
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  Speaker 1: us first, but of course in that BBC interview he
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  Speaker 1: put the World Economic Forum first.
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  Speaker 4: He certainly did. Yes, it's quite entertaining hearing Starmer use
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  Speaker 4: the word graft. He's a real man of the people,
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  Speaker 4: isn't he. You're in scrubs or uniform. A focus grouped
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  Speaker 4: the hell out of that speech, I think, yes. And
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  Speaker 4: as we know, Starmer doesn't think about the British people,
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  Speaker 4: certainly not in any endearing sense anyway. He thinks about
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  Speaker 4: his friends in Davos, and as you kind of alluded
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  Speaker 4: to there, Brian, he did say, under questioning from Emily Matels,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was if you preferred Davos or Westminster
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  Speaker 4: and Davos straight out the gate. So we know who's
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  Speaker 4: pulling his strings, and actually we know who's pulling Zelenski's
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  Speaker 4: strings as well amongst other people, because Ukraine, in the
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  Speaker 4: destruction of that country, is going to be rebuilt through
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  Speaker 4: the World Economic Forum and a huge amount of investment
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  Speaker 4: from Black Rock as well amongst others. As actually the
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  Speaker 4: game that's being played here, the deliberate destruction of nation states.
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  Speaker 4: They can be replaced with a new order, and the
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  Speaker 4: World Economic Forum is right at the heart of it.
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  Speaker 4: Been a bit of a personnel change there over the
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  Speaker 4: past couple of months. You may have heard, we probably
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  Speaker 4: mentioned it on the news at some point that Klaus
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  Speaker 4: Schwab left his position as chairman. He'd been there since
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  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy two, forty three years in the top Sea
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  Speaker 4: at the World Economic Forum. But then the very next
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  Speaker 4: day a whistleblower submitted some allegations to the WEFT board
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  Speaker 4: basically saying that Schwab had blurred the lines between his
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  Speaker 4: personal and corporate interests, as if that was the worst
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  Speaker 4: thing in the World Economic Forum had ever done, or
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  Speaker 4: Klaus Schwab had ever done, which is not really surprising,
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  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, given that he actually was
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  Speaker 4: the unelected ruler of this global corporate empire and also
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  Speaker 4: actually ran something called the Schwab Foundation under the auspices
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  Speaker 4: of the World Economic Forum, which was run by his
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  Speaker 4: wife and I believe his children working the Forum as well.
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  Speaker 4: This is it's exactly what it is. But obviously the
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  Speaker 4: wif of run an internal investigation and I'm very happy
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  Speaker 4: to say for Hesh fob that he was cleared of
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  Speaker 4: all wrongdoing. It's a bit like when they get a
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  Speaker 4: new chairman in the BBC and they run an internal
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  Speaker 4: review and they come back and say, no, no, everything's fine.
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  Speaker 4: The BBC's fantastic. Exactly the same thing here, wouldn't you
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  Speaker 4: say marking?
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  Speaker 1: You don't need to speak because it's obvious what's.
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  Speaker 7: Marking his own homework.
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  Speaker 4: But they have appointed and this is the real big news,
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  Speaker 4: two interim chairs. One of them was announced earlier in
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  Speaker 4: the year. I'm going to forget his name off the
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  Speaker 4: top of my head. He's the former NESLE chief executive.
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  Speaker 4: And then over the weekend we found out this guy
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  Speaker 4: Larry Fink, the founder of black Rock, who sits on
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  Speaker 4: top of twelve trillion dollars of accumulated wealth is now
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  Speaker 4: going to be running the World Economic Forum, And essentially
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  Speaker 4: this is more.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Of the same.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Schwab was always boasting about the fact that he had
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: penetrated the cabinets of all of the major nations. Well,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I think has already done exactly the same thing. He
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: was hanging around with Starmer last year while the Standard
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: was boasting about him going on an asset buying in
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the undervalued UK. So Stalin's thinking about the British people.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: But actually, in reality, exactly, it's exactly what he's doing. Yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: and really this is what they mean by economic growth.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: By the way, it means black rock buying everything at
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: a discount. That's what economic growth is. And also, let's
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: not forget he was also hanging around with Rachel Reeves
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: and Angela Rayna, current deputy Prime Minister, actually slaved by
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: some to be a future leader with the country. Remarkably
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: so we can see that even with Schwab Goon, the
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: relationship between the World Economic Forum and the current Labor
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: government and the rest of our political apparatus is as
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: strong as it ever was. And what are they particularly
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: focused on. They're focused on delivering the sustainable development goals
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: as we're going to get into.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Indeed. Yeah, and of course that man heavily like Rock,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: heavily involved in Ukraine and supposedly the rebuilding of Ukraine
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: when the war is over, so all of those deals
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: already signed and in place of people to make billions
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: off the suffering of the Ukrainian people. I think this
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is an important point if anybody out there thinks that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: by defending the Russian position at the moment, we are
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in somehow against the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians, of course taken
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to the cleaners by the West. Country destroyed a million men.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: The figures are pointing towards killed in this horrific war,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and then the country is simply going to be hoovered
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: up the West for more profit. It's quite obscene, Diane.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Let's bring you in here, because of course, one of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the key things to understand is how the world's political
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: system or power base is working, and sustainable goals are
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: clearly a major part of that agenda.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And what I would like to show today
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: is very clear and concrete and overwhelming evidence of how
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the sustainable development glows have infiltrated into do research and universities,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and I can say this as a former professor of
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: UK universities who knows the system very well. I want
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: to start out by pointing out this article that we
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: published late last week that I really helped with as
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: commission editor for UK column called Demise of Livestock, Farming,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Fraudulent Science and Blackrock by Neil Harrison. He was specifically
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: talking about farming. Obviously, this is part of a three
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: part series. We talked about part two of his series
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: last week when we discussed his evidence around the wildfires
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and Agenda twenty thirty and Sustainable Development Goals. But this
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: made me look a little bit further into something that
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: he pointed out in the article, which has to do
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: with how against sustainable development goals and research are tied together.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: So back in twenty twenty, when all of us were
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: obviously distracted by something else and we all know what
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: that is, there was something that was signed by several
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: of the largest academic publishers in the world called the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Sustainable Development Goals Publishers Compact from the United Nations. And
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I would like to start here with a video clip
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: from when they announced how excited they were that they
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: were signing this compact, so let's watch this clip.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Welcome. I'm Michail Coleman.
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: I'm the Presidential Envoy for Diversity and Inclusion for the
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: International Publishers Association. I am delighted to see publishers and
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: colleagues from across the publishing industry joining us today for.
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: This landmark event, the launch of the Sustainable Development Goals
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: Publishers Compact in short, the SDG Publishers Compact. The Compact
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: is a pledge of ten concrete steps that publishers publishing
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: organizations can commit to in order to accelerate progress in
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: achieving these sustainable development goals by twenty to thirty, only ten.
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: More years to go.
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: I am here joined by illustrious panel their Sherry Eldest,
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: Chief of the United Nations Publications, Yugo Zetzer, President of
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: the International Publishersgociation, Jurgen Both, President and CEO of the
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: Frankfurt Book Fair not Jack Nisler, chair of the Publishers
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: Committee of the German Publishers and Booksellers Association, the version
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: n Welcome everybody. Let me immediately start.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: With explaining what exactly.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: Are the United Nations Sustainable Development goals and what does
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: the SDG Publishers Compact mean cherry off to you.
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: Thank you very much, me Hayle.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I'm delighted to be here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: It's a momentous occasion for us to be launching the
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: SDG Publishers Compact and happy to be working with the
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: IPA again on this project to promote the Sustainable Development Goals. So,
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: as you say, we call them the SDGs, and they
• 27:42
  Speaker 11: really are our roadmap for the next ten years. And
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: when I say our roadmap, I mean all of us,
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: each and every one of us and publishers as well.
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: So the STGs are seventeen goals that we're conceived to
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: transform the world over a period of fifteen years, the
• 27:59
  Speaker 11: universal call to action, to end poverty, to protect the planet,
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: and to improve the lives and prospects of absolutely everybody everywhere.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So there we go. It affects all of us if
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: we go to the next slide. Here, I've just got
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: as an example here from the UAN website from showing
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: as we see the wheel with all those colors, which
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you will have seen that those presenters were wearing their pins.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: They always wear the Sustainable Development Goal pins. That's how
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: we know that they're part of it. So what does
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it mean to sign the compact. Well, there's ten points
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: that I'd like to go through quickly, which is committing
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to the sustainable Development goals themselves or the SDGs, Actively
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: promoting and acquiring content that advocates for the SDGs. Annually
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: reporting on progress towards achieving the SDGs. Nominating a person
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: who will promote SDG progress, raising awareness and promoting the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: STGs amongst staff, so that's for the publishers. And five more,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: raising awareness and promote the SDGs among suppliers, becoming an
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: advocate to customers and stakeholders by promoting the SDG agenda,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Collaborating across cities, countries and continents on projects that will
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: advance the SDGs, dedicating budget towards SDG progress, and taking
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: action on at least one SDG goal. So that's what
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: it means for publishers to sign up to this agreement.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going to go into some specific examples of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: publishers and then eventually at university projects that show how
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: this is actually getting put into place. Springer Nature is
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest academic publishers in the world, so
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they have an entire section on their website about how
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they are promoting Sustainable Development Goals program, and we have
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: a video from Springer Nature as well explaining this.
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: The people who built Spring and Nature have been opening
• 29:49
  Speaker 12: doors to discovery since the beginnings of modern science. The
• 29:53
  Speaker 12: research we publish has provided a trusted source of knowledge
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: to make progress towards a better tomorrow.
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: We build on this legacy with.
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: The United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, a blueprint to achieve
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: a better and more sustainable future for all.
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: We work to support researchers across the globe as they
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: tackle urgent societal needs, connecting them with practitioners in policy
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: and business who desperately need those insights to improve the world.
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: We work to amplify the discoveries in our multidiscplinary books, journals,
• 30:29
  Speaker 15: and cutting edge science journalism, opening up and the disseminating
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: data and insights for those who need it most.
• 30:37
  Speaker 14: We work to innovate by investing in new services and
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: technologies such as machine learning to identify SDG relevant content,
• 30:46
  Speaker 14: providing insights and tools to empower our customers and stakeholders
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: to deliver.
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: We take responsibility for the environmental and the societal impacts
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: of our own business operations, cutting our carbon footprint, working
• 31:00
  Speaker 15: towards greater inclusion and the didasity, and forging strong links
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: with the communities research.
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: With twenty thirty fast approaching, we work to deliver real
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: progress in addressing the most urgent societal needs because we
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: are a company.
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: Of researchers, engineers, writers, communicators and leaders.
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: Committed to advancing discovery for the benefit of future generations.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: So that is what the publishers are doing. So I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: want to go into specifically a situation of just one
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: UK university, and this is our universities all throughout the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: country and as you'll see throughout the world if you
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: look at the publishers. So of course, if you are
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: an academic or researcher, you have to publish papers, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you have to get funding, and you have to make
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: your university happy to show by showing that you are
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: continuing to do these things. So if we look at
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow, which is where I
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: worked for several years as an academic, because I know
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the system. Well, I'm just choosing this as one example,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: but you can see this in any university in our country.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: They talk about the sustainable Development goals under REF twenty
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: twenty one. So REF is the Research Excellence Framework that
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: every university in the UK has to participate in every
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: few years. It's the government system for what they call
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: assessing the quality of research in UK higher education institutions.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: So as we can see on the next slide here,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: but the University of Strathclyde did as part of their
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: participation in the Research Excellence Framework twenty twenty one, they
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: broke down the research of all of the academics that
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: had published over the past years leading up to twenty
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: twenty one and the percentage of each sustainable development goal
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that the research was meeting, so that basically you're required
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to meet sustainable development goals to make the university happy,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: or else you're basically not even allowed to do the research.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Every university, as a result of being compliant with the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Research Excellence Framework, has to have a research repository. In
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the case with the University of straft Clyde, it's called
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the Knowledge Based Research Information Portal where you can search
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: all of the published research done by the academics at
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the university and you can see right there on the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: homepage for the portal there's a list of the seventeen
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: sustainable Development Goals, and I just want to go into
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: one example of just one research project from the University
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: of Straft clude you can find anything that any of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: these universities are doing now that they have to align
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: with these goals where they're else they can't do it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: This is one example called Design Hopes or Healthy Organizations
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: in a place based ecosystem in Scotland. This was funded
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: for almost four million pounds. It is the funding period
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is about to end and it's funded by the Arts
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and Commandities Research Council, which is again part of the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: UK Research Council's funding scheme. And what they are doing
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: here is making NHS Scotland more sustainable. So let's look
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: at their video explaining what they have been doing in
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: this project.
• 34:04
  Speaker 16: The health and care sector is a part of the
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: green transition, like all other parts of society, and in
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: response to the pressing climate emergency we all face, it
• 34:13
  Speaker 16: needs to work more sustainably and move beyond net zero.
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: If the global healthcare sector were a country, it would
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: be the fifth largest contributor to climate change in the world.
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: And NHS Scotland has set out its own plans to
• 34:26
  Speaker 16: become a net zero organization by twenty forty. Design Hopes
• 34:31
  Speaker 16: is a design led research project which responds to health
• 34:34
  Speaker 16: and social care needs. In order to address these pressing challenges,
• 34:38
  Speaker 16: we work collaboratively across five of Scotland's universities, in collaboration
• 34:43
  Speaker 16: with NHS Scotland and other project partners, creating a range
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: of design interventions to help meet and move beyond these
• 34:51
  Speaker 16: urgent net zero goals.
• 34:54
  Speaker 17: Working with frontline healthcare practitioners, I see every day how
• 34:58
  Speaker 17: much energy systems consume and how much clinical and domestic
• 35:02
  Speaker 17: waste is generated in a single ward, a single hospital.
• 35:06
  Speaker 17: If you can imagine this multiplied across the whole healthcare system,
• 35:10
  Speaker 17: you can start to understand some of the changes required
• 35:13
  Speaker 17: in our day to day work to meet our net
• 35:16
  Speaker 17: zero targets.
• 35:18
  Speaker 18: It's clear there is the will to deliver world leading
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: health and social care in a way that benefits patients,
• 35:24
  Speaker 18: the planet, and the broader ecosystems we are all part of.
• 35:27
  Speaker 18: There is now an urgent need for us to ensure
• 35:30
  Speaker 18: our health and care services are delivered sustainably. Design Hopes
• 35:34
  Speaker 18: will help us to innovate and change in ways that
• 35:36
  Speaker 18: are tangible and demonstrates the value of these new approaches
• 35:40
  Speaker 18: to patients, interest, Scotland, staff, careers, and the wider public.
• 35:46
  Speaker 19: Design hopes will advance society's understanding of designs value and impact,
• 35:51
  Speaker 19: as well as some of the behavior changes and tools
• 35:54
  Speaker 19: needed to transition the health and social care sector to
• 35:57
  Speaker 19: an ecologically and socially sustainable coach.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: So at the end there that was Professor Paul Rodgers
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: of the University of strap Clyde who is the leader
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: of the project, and you can see he's talking about
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: behavior change. If we look at one of the what
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: they call research outputs ie articles academic papers produced as
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a result of this four million pound funded project, there's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: one here in the research repository from the University of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: strath Clyde which is called Design, Thinking, Acting, Making a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: net zero transformational change across NHS Scotland. Professor Rogers is
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: listed as the first author of this paper and you
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: can see right there clearly on the slide that it
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: contributes to SDG thirteen Climate Actions. So everything that is
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: in this repository will have these links. That particular paper
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: was published by a different huge academic publisher called MDPI.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: They also have a section on their website explaining how
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: they are committed to the un Compact on SDGs and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: how these will be transforming the world, how the supports
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: what they do, and choosing the research that they publish.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: One thing that I want to mention as well about
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Professor Rogers is that his personal profile on the University
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of strath Clyde's website lists all that he has done
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: research that aligns to all seventeen SDGs, which is certainly,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: in today's academic world, a clear marker for promotion. If
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: that's what you're after. Here are some examples of what
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Design Hopes has done with the taxpayers for a million pounds.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: There's a whole website of on this. So Design Hopes,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: as it says, is supporting a green and just transition
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: for NHS Scotland. But what does that actually mean. Well,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: some of the projects they've done because Professor Rogers is
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: in design, they have designed, for example, a board game
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: that engages communities in designing exclusive healthcare gardens to enhance
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: health and well being, and this interactive game is going
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to help them learn how to do that. There's a
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: project called Flow, which is an interactive game, once again
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: designed to help NHS Scotland staff visualize page movement through hospitals,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: particularly focusing on urgent or semi urgent care at NHST
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: side and reusable theater caps hot off the press. This
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: one was a big, big, huge outcome from this four
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: million pounds. It was curved all over mainstream media and
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: as we can see examples here. This is from that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: article that I mentioned by the academic publisher that there's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: one of the things that they've done is create he's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: reusable operating theater caps and that this is a big
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: deal for them. They're using the right materials and they
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: can reuse them. And we can see them all happy
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: there in their masks showing off what they've done. At
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Professor Rogers as well. And this is just not to
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: pick on one particular person, but anyone in any university
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: is doing things like this. But I thought this was
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: a particularly interesting thing to end the segment on. Not
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: related to the Designed Hopes project, but he has contributed
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: to a book called Chronicles of Care, a design history
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: of the COVID nineteen virus, and the whole point of
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: it was that it says that in the abstract it
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: says the COVID nineteen crisis, and the design interventions that
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the authors have cataloged in this book proved definitively that
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: design does care. The author's documented this as it evolved
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: every day from the first of January twenty twenty to
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: thirty first of May twenty twenty inclusive, so we're looking
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: at an interesting timeframe there, and we can see that
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: that research this book contributed to four different unsdgs, so
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he got a lot of great credit for
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that and his own review. Brian and Ben.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Jane, thank you very much. The CAP's reusable cap got
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: me because basically, as far as I remember, in the NHS,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: uniforms used to be meticulously boil washed, as was bed linen,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and so a reusable cap would have been given a
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: boil wash and brought back into use. But apparently we
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: now need a four million pound design research study in
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: order to come up with a new cap. Quite quite astonishing.
• 39:56
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, thanks to our friends at WE the People
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: in Northeast who provided the coverage that we all showed
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: two weeks ago today on the migrant protests that happened
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: in Newcastle. They have taken some of our content that
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: we used on the news that day, as well as
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: our extra time content and some of their own coverage
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that didn't quite manage to make it into the news
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: just because of time, and they've created a full video
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: which is over an hour called Who's Streets because one
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: of the chants happening during the protest, of course, was
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: whose streets are streets. And this is from again the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: second of August migrant protests at the New Bridge Hotel
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: in Newcastle. So they've provided me with the trailer. You
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: can see the full thing on their Rumble Channelie we
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: will put a link to in the show notes. But
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: let's watch the trailer for.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Now, Ben, just for me to see people in masks
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: when clearly the police have said many many times they're
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: not going to tolerate people being masked up. This appears
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to me at least to be part of what I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: going to call to tier policing.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: It's certainly two tier policing. I think a lot of
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: those people who are just cowards, to be honest with you,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: if you've got an opinion, get out on the street
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: and front it up yourself, you know. And also a
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: lot of these people who have just bust in. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: you have local communities out protesting and then these people
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: turn up a lot of the time hushered in by
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: the police and they're from out of the area.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm not going to answer any questions.
• 43:42
  Speaker 15: It's good to our press office unless it's something about.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: What you want to do.
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: And now, okay, what will the police be taxing in
• 43:47
  Speaker 10: the far left like you did in ethics.
• 43:49
  Speaker 15: I'm not going to be answering any kind of questions.
• 43:51
  Speaker 16: I'm not here for an interview, clearly, I'm he ever.
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: To help Plice as protest guide.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: I've had a fuse. It's slowly burning. It's slowly burning.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: It's just going to be an experiity.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thank you very much the people Northeast for that,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: and I hope that they'll be providing more clips in
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the future as they're doing some really good work getting
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: out and about and recording what's happening now. Also a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: reminder for the coming weekend event, and that's the Freedom
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Music Festival, the Hope Group and the UK Column will
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: be there. We'll be setting up this coming Friday, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we're there for the weekend and we're really looking forward
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to it. And of course UK Column team will be
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: giving a full day to not only a news but
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: also talks to the audience on the Saturday, so do
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: come along and join in. It will be really excellent.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And I have just been told that if you use
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: the Freedom fifty code when you apply for a ticket
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: for this event, you'll get fifty percent off. So there
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you are. You can't do better than that. Now, just
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: a reminder that the UK column on location event in
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: York tickets selling very very well, so thank you very
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: much to everybody who's bought them. We've been starting to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: announce speakers, so Andrew Wakefield of course we've talked about
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: we've also said that people will be able to see
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: the Protocol seven video, but we'd also like to announce
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: that Tess Laurie from the World Council for Health will
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: also be one of the speakers. There are more to come,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and of course she's been working very hard to give
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: ordinary people power in making decisions about their health and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: saying that there's a better way of doing things than
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: we're told via the World Economic Forum, Sustainable Development Goals
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or indeed the NHS on Health. So I'm sure that's
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: going to be really fascinating. Now, Ben, let's bring you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: in because we've had some coincidence is when we've been
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: researching over the last few months and some of that
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: has come back to Plymouth in the work that I
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was looking at probably fifteen sixteen years ago, has suddenly
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: become relevant again. But you've discovered also that Plymouth is
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: absolutely heading towards the super city status.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: It absolutely is, and you brought this to my attention actually, Brian,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: because of the event you went to, the community consultation
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: event that you went to.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: When was that about a month ago?
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Was it a conversation where of course Plymouth wants to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: expand and take over local parishes, it wants to increase
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: the population of Plymouth. This is all to do with
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: centralized power under the government's under the central Government's Local
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Government Reorganization Plan.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Yes, and a lot of that is to do with
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: this report from Babcock, which I believe that they introduced
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: to you during that meeting, one Devenport a blueprint for
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: the future, which essentially amounts to the military rization of
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: the UK economic system, as we've been talking about earlier
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: on in the show. So what does this actually involve?
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: They set out a visions come from the Royal Navy.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Well says on't the cover from the Royal Navy. We'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: get into who is actually from as we go along.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: But what they're doing is developing a world class, secure, safe,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: integrated operating in support base for the Royal Navy and NATO. Crucially,
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: this as a UK base and a NATO base and
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: that term integrated operating really puts the hairs on the
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: back of my neck up right, because there's a document
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: that Mike's talked about a lot previously integrated operating concepts
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: which saysusly says that we are never not at war
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: and our own citizens should be considered enemies, even within
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: our own barracks. Actually, and that's embedded right into this
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Royal Navy document talking about the redevelopment of Plymouth, Right,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: So what is this all about? Militarization, force generation across
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: every component of the system, Building a new operating base,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: establishing capabilities for nuclear fuel handling for submarines and for warships,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: building barracks, community engagement, hiring and training the workforce, running
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: support for operations for ford deployed ships, doing maintenance, the
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: full suite of capabilities.
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: This is actually a.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: Really impressive site that they've got that I mean already exists, right.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: You know, Plymouth has been naval center for centuries, but
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: this is the next generation of that building what they're
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: calling a new Navy essentially.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And I've just added into that bent that the dockyard
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in Plymouth is vast. It's over three hundred and forty hectares,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: so overwhelmingly the biggest naval base in Europe and so
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: this is the strategic importance of it.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And this so it's a huge development program,
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: loads of money coming in, a lot of it as
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: you can see at the bottom there maybe just a
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: little bit small for some people, but we've got EU
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: money there alongside HM government, so there's a real kind
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: of mixture happening here. This is a total redevelopment of
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: a huge piece of legacy infrastructure. So you can see
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: on the right hand side in the center there's beautiful, frankly,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: you know, astonishingly beautiful Victorian buildings that we have over
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: there in Devonport and in the southwest of the city
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: and this is all being completely transformed. You can pause
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: this and have a look at it. And this is
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: going to run out for decades, you know. So they've
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: got long term planning running out past twenty forty and
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: this is essentially the economic engine that is going to
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: be used to drive population growth across Plymouth, right, you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: they're really going after this and importantly this is a
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: public private partnership. Talk about this all the t time.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: So you can see at the bottom there is from
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: the back page of the document and got the Royal Navy,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: the Defense Equipment and Support, the mod the Summarine Delivery Agency,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: alongside Mighty Circo and Babcock. All right, so those are
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: three listed corporations, vast listed corporation.
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Is the corporatist system that we talk about, right, That's
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: the definition of fascism. That's what Missolini and Mussolini described fascism.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: It's corporatist. And importantly, corporations are incentivized to maximize returns
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: to shareholders, so there's never any incentive for them to
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: end the wars. It's actually part of the way that
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: they're constituted, right, And this is what is sitting right
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: at the heart of the UK economic strategy, and in fact,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: this is something that Starmer himself has talked about extensively,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: and this is really sitting right at the heart of
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: the future of and Babcock are right in the.
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: Middle of it. Essentially, this is a Babcock site.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: The other corporations we've talked about are partners in this,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: and this is a.
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: Listed corporation.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: As I've just said, there's zero incentive for them to
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: ever de escalate or to end wars because that's.
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: How they make their money.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: They are hugely significant in the UK economy, so four
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: point three billion total contribution to the economy, one point
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: one billion in taxes, sixty seven thousand jobs either directly
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: or indirectly related to Babcock and they.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: Are in the southwest of England, but also up in Scotland.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Obviously we've got a big nuclear capability up there. And
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: this is all about delivering the defense dividend. So when
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Starner's there talking about good jobs for working people, putting
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: money into your pocket, thinking about the working class, it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: because they want to invest in the military industrial complex
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: and an ever escalating and cascading series of international conflicts. Right,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: it is ultimately what it's all about, and who's pulling
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: the strings here.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: It's going to have a look at the board.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Just three people who immediately jumped out of me Dame
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Ruth Kenney dB, who is also the patron of Women
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: in Defense, which made me feel really warm and fuzzy.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: Actually known that there's a lady in charge of our
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: nuclear capability.
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: That was fantastic.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of questions to be asked about that,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and these people and how they get their power base.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: I agree, yeap, certainly.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: So these are the top corporate people, David Lockwood in
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: the center there ob importantly dB OBE.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: So these are courtiers, let's think of.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Them that like that, favored individuals.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And the gentleman on the right hand side there,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: the right honorable the Lord Parker of Men'smere GVO KCB
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: A bit of a mouthful. He actually was the director
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Gentleman of m I five by David Cameron, did that
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: job until twenty twenty from twenty thirteen, and he was
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: then appointed as Lord Chamberlain, so essentially head of the
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Royal household. So again we've seen video earlier of King Charles,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: you know, talking about how awful war is, and yet
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: he's got one of his top people who actually runs
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: the royal household also sitting on top of a weapons company.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: So this doesn't really add up, does it. It doesn't
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: make any sense.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: It does for a duplicitous world, yes, is what I
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: will say.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, right, And that's what's happening in Plymouth, total transformation
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: of the city driven by the military industrial complex. But
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: it's not just happening in Plymouth, it's happening across the
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: whole of the UK. And actually I might just skip
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: the next slide, Mike, and we'll just go straight to
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: the video where we'll find out a bit more about
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: the Thames Freeport.
• 54:02
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• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a cartoon.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: There's quite a childish, really, wasn't it. But that's that's
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: the smart city agenda, right. So it's everything's connected, driverless vehicles,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: virtual reality concerts, drone delivery of fast food so you
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: don't have to actually talk to anyone at any point,
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: charging points so that you'll never run out of battery,
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: or on your phone. You can imagine it's geo fence.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: You're not actually allowed to leave, right, This is what
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: they're pushing towards ultimately, and it's the same agenda that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: we just talked about in Plymouth. Ultimately that will be
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: a smart city, no doubt. But it's the same agenda
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: that we can see happening up in London and to
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: the east of London importantly, that was Thames Freeport. Sandy's
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: spoken about the freeport entities like this kind of new
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: free trade structure, these zones that don't exist within the
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: normal bounds of the country, they are actually separate entities.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Talked about that earlier on in the year and essentially
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: this has been positioned as the biggest opportunity in a
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: generation for London ultimately, which is a remarkable statement, to
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: be honest with you. Apparently, it's unique and transformative. It's
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: going to stimulate trade, foster renovation, support the energy transition.
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: So these new cities they're.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: All about bringing through new technological infrastructure and this is
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: absolutely vast. It's right in the east of the city,
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: in the London borough of Barkingham, Dagenham, London Borough of
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Havering and then out into Essex into Thurrock, and it
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: is going to transform that kind of post industrial landscape. Ultimately,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: that's what a lot of that is not exclusively, but
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: that has been a hub of global trade for a
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: thousand years and they're now going to turn it into
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: this completely transformed a smart city. This was announced by
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Ruth Kelly, the former Secretary of State for Communities and
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Local Government under Tony Blair. Obviously we've got Blair people
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: in the mix, and it's going to be delivered by
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: a consortium led by e Y where I used to work,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: who are a World Economic Forum strategic partner, alongside a
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: couple of other people, including the Young Foundation. So you've
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: got these kind of social engineering type organizations like the
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Young Foundation working hand in hand with e Y, who
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: are kind of hardcore uber capitalists, right, So this is
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: that sort of money and power dynamic that I talk
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: about a lot.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And Young Foundation worked alongside Common Purpose and Demos, so
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: yes are tangled. Were these very powerful think tanks and facilitators.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Exactly and to deliver what exactly, because they're going to
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: tear up the country in order to implement what. You
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: got that little ridiculous little video that we just watched, Like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: how is that going to translate into reality? It won't
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: translate into reality, like this is it's just ludicrous, the
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: idea that we would want to progress with something like
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: this and where's it coming from? So I actually found
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: out about this via this chap. This is Max Beverton Palmer,
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: who's currently head of Public Policy and Video UK and
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: I spoke about in video last week.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: They're one of the.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: People who are leading the project's Stargate initiative up in
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Norway and he's formerly of the Blair Institute and their
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: mantra you can see here writ large technology is disruptive.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: The pace of technological change is accelerating. According to them,
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: technology changes power structures, it centralizes power structures, it globalizes
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: power structures. That's what these people are doing and it's
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: going right into Dannik Street right. So this guy, Beverton Palmer,
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: it's been at Downing Street in the past couple of
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: weeks talking about the Thames Freeport initiative, this idea of
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: a new smart city for the East of London with
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: a delegation made up of money, infrastructure, of weapons and
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: technology companies.
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: Money.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: You've got Barclays and Standard Charter are in their infrastructure.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: You've got BT Group in the National Grid, weapons manufacturers,
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: you've got Babcock again, and BAE Systems. They're in the
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: mix for this, and then startups, including this organization Humanoid,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: will just run a tiny little bit of this. But
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: there is literally a company that is building humanoid robots
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: to create a new workforce to exist in this smart city,
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: going to Downing Street with people from the Blair Foundation
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: and the weapons manufacturers. Right, this is the technological roadmap
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: that they're progressing with and they're going to flatten but
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: a load of East London, a load of Ssex. And
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: actually they're not the only people who are going to
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: be flattening a bunch of Essex because also we've seen
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: in the past few days TfL have just announced a
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: new partnership with EDF, a French multinational energy company, to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: supply solar energy, enough solar energy to run the entire
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: Tube network. Apparently that's going to be out of a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: brand new solar facility in Essex, supposedly creating green jobs,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: boosting biodiversity somehow, I'm not sure how that's possible. Just
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: putting loads of solar panels onto a field not going
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: to boost biodiversity. And as you can see here that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: is all prime farmland. There are a bunch of farms
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: who are no longer going to be farms who are
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: going to be replaced with the infrastructure for this new
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: technological paradigm that we're being ushered into. And this is
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: absolutely happening right now today and being pushed out across
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: the country, and.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Of course most people overwhelmingly absolutely not aware of what's
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: being planned or indeed how it's being planned through Westminster.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: But as we heard at the start of the New SKA,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Starmer reassuring the British public that he's got us at
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the forefront of his mind every day, asks jobs, families.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Let's leave it there, Ben, Diane, let's bring you back
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: just for a final segment about well it's AI and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: what are we really saying should we trust it? I suppose.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting question, Brian. So I just wanted to
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: give you an example of chat GPT use, which we're
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: hearing more and more people saying all the time, well,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: just use chat GPT. It's quick, it's easy, it will
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: give you a good answer. You don't have to do
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of time it's spent to find whatever it
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: is that you need to find, because you just type
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: in the question and have a conversation with you. Just recently, anecdotically,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I've been playing with chat GPT, which should be very
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: simple questions, and I'm getting a lot of incorrect answers back.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I even know of someone that was trying to have
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  Speaker 2: a zoom call with a few weeks ago use chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT to figure out the time difference because she was
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  Speaker 2: in another country. She got the time wrong because chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT didn't account for the fact that we were on
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  Speaker 2: British summertime, so she was an hour off. And the
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  Speaker 2: message lately that we've been seeing around is that chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT and these other AI chatbots and so on can
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  Speaker 2: sort your life out. So I just kind of did
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  Speaker 2: some very casual types of searching around. So I just
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  Speaker 2: typed into Google chat GPT sorting my life out, and
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  Speaker 2: what happened, Well, AI told me. Google's AI told me
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  Speaker 2: that chat GPT can indeed be a valuable tool for
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  Speaker 2: organizing various aspects of life, including time management, goal setting,
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  Speaker 2: and even decluttering, breaking down tasks, et cetera. So I thought, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so what's a task that we might do with chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT that's very simple? So I thought about all of
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  Speaker 2: the budgetary issues that people are facing in this country
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  Speaker 2: because of the state of the economy, and I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: what about shopping and buying basic groceries? So looking at
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how much somebody might be able
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  Speaker 2: to budget for their groceries in a weekly I asked
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  Speaker 2: it and I said, what is the street value of Lurepac?
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  Speaker 2: So then it responded to me, which was really didn't see.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe my wording was a bit unusual, but I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to see what it would say to me. It said,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like you're curious about the street value of Lurepac,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps wondering what it's actually selling for in shops, rather
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  Speaker 2: than any black market context. I wasn't asking about black
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  Speaker 2: market anything. Lurepac is a premium butter brand which I
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  Speaker 2: would beg to differ, so it's prices tend to reflect that.
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  Speaker 2: So it listed a few bullet points of some different
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  Speaker 2: prices of Lupac of sort of typically around three pounds
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  Speaker 2: seventy five four pounds, and it's as you can see here,
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  Speaker 2: it's referring to different sources. It refers to Amazon UK
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  Speaker 2: too good to know. I don't know why it's listed
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  Speaker 2: prices for Tesco and Asda. But then they're sort of
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  Speaker 2: crossed out, so I don't know what the strikethrough was for.
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  Speaker 2: It says around two pounds fifteen at Amazon UK for
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  Speaker 2: two hundred grams. So I decided to actually go to
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  Speaker 2: real shops instead of depending on AI to do to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how much it would cost to buy lupack
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  Speaker 2: in my city. So the Tesco, which is local to me,
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  Speaker 2: said that the cost of seven hundred and fifty grams
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  Speaker 2: of lur pack with eight pounds twenty five, which I
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  Speaker 2: thought was quite ridiculously high for any amount of lurpack
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  Speaker 2: at all whatsoever. So why I went to four different
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  Speaker 2: shops in my city just to compare prices. So this
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  Speaker 2: is actual on the ground reporting, and I just made
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  Speaker 2: a little bar chart out of it. I went to
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  Speaker 2: B and m Aldi, Morrison's and Tesco. And what's interesting
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  Speaker 2: is that you can see that there is a range
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  Speaker 2: of prices, but there's also a range of sizes, so
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  Speaker 2: it's not so much about a big or a small
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  Speaker 2: lure pack. It gets a bit confusing because there's two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grams, four hundred grams, five hundred grams,
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  Speaker 2: six hundred grams, seven hundred and fifty grams that appeared
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  Speaker 2: in just these four different shops in one city, which
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  Speaker 2: could make you believe that maybe something costs more or
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  Speaker 2: less than it actually costs. So it makes it very
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  Speaker 2: difficult for someone to do termine and obviously impossible at
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  Speaker 2: this point for AI to be able to discern between
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  Speaker 2: those different sizes and which is actually the best value
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  Speaker 2: for money. So with all that, it's just a silly
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  Speaker 2: example I guess to sort of show how information can
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  Speaker 2: be really, really incorrect on these chatbots, and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be doing a lot of future reporting on chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT to actually look at how it's getting its information,
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  Speaker 2: and this will be coming from future editions of UK
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  Speaker 2: column News. I would also like to announce to our
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  Speaker 2: longer time viewers if those of you who remember UKC
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  Speaker 2: Verify in the past, we are bringing that back. I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to say UKC Verify is of course the anecdote
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  Speaker 2: to BBC Verify and Marianna Spring. I would like to
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  Speaker 2: say that personally, I believe that as the information correspondent
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  Speaker 2: for UK Column, I am also the antidote for Marana Spring.
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  Speaker 2: We've tried to have her on the show several times
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  Speaker 2: and she just for whatever reason will not respond to
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  Speaker 2: us to our our request to interview her or talk
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  Speaker 2: to her. But what I would like to say is
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  Speaker 2: that we have art of UK see verify in the past,
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  Speaker 2: saying that if you find any sort of mainstream source
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  Speaker 2: that you would like us to check to make sure
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  Speaker 2: whether or not it is accurate, we can do that
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  Speaker 2: for you. I would also like to invite viewers to
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  Speaker 2: consider trying this with chat GPT or other AI chatbots,
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  Speaker 2: and if you would like us to verify any information,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's about the price of lur pack or the
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  Speaker 2: street value of lurpack or anything else, we can do that.
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  Speaker 2: But there are actually some very serious implications to finding
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  Speaker 2: incorrect information, and we're also unfortunately seeing that in some
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  Speaker 2: cases it's affecting people's mental health and their well being,
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  Speaker 2: so we really need to be careful with us. So
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  Speaker 2: I invite any sort of discussion back and forth with
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  Speaker 2: our viewers, and we'll be doing some very serious reporting
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  Speaker 2: on this in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that, And indeed it is
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  Speaker 1: a very serious thing AI, and we will be spending
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  Speaker 1: a lot more time looking into it and what it's
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  Speaker 1: possible impacts are. So we must send there Ben thank
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  Speaker 1: you very much for joining me, Diane. Thank you for
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