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Recap A Horrible Weekend WTF! Canelo vs Bud on Netflix?! Teofimo Lopez vs Boots Ennis Next? · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, what are boxing fans. This is the Ropen Dope
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  Speaker 1: Radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson. We are
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  Speaker 1: live on a Tuesday night. I hope everybody's doing okay.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to obviously talk about what took place
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  Speaker 1: this weekend and thank God for Sunday night. That's all
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. It was a great fight, much more
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  Speaker 1: entertaining card in general, and a great main event. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the main events on paper, you know, looked like dog shit,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like going into it. But
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  Speaker 1: funny enough, we did get an upset. It was ugly,
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  Speaker 1: but we got enoughset shots out to you Roy for that.
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  Speaker 1: But the longest odds underdog, right, the biggest underdog as
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  Speaker 1: far as in the bigger fight in the main events
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  Speaker 1: and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: He showed up and did his thing and gave anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I mean he gave any way a hell of a fight,
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  Speaker 2: hell of a fight.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was phenomenal. That was a great fight.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, it really saved the weekend cardanos man
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  Speaker 1: shouts out to you, dude, that was great. So we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk it through. Obviously, Tail I thought looked pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope the Boots and his fight that they've been
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  Speaker 1: talking about before the fall happens. I mean between the
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  Speaker 1: Hani Ramirez at least we got a knockdown in some
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  Speaker 1: drama and upset with Rowley and Garcia and then but
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  Speaker 1: super slow fights, right, both of them, Like compu Box,
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  Speaker 1: they're setting records for compu Box, and not the records that,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, that you want to set. But that
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  Speaker 1: Canelo fight School Skulls, scot whatever you did that, dude,
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  Speaker 1: I mean both of that fight sucked. Dude. We knew
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  Speaker 1: stylistically and just you know, just a matchup wasn't intriguing,
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  Speaker 1: but man, you put that thing in a ring. I mean, wow,
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  Speaker 1: and you know it's not all just on the guy moving. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be able to cut the ring off,
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  Speaker 1: you have to be able to land shots. But there
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: are times when it's very difficult to cut the ring
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  Speaker 1: off and the hit and don't get hit. I'm fine
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  Speaker 1: with that style, but I just believe you also have
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  Speaker 1: to hit. And so, I mean, it was ugly. It
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  Speaker 1: was ugly. It didn't feel like there was much people
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  Speaker 1: in the building by the time. I know that it's
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  Speaker 1: and it's smart for pay per view stuff. Maybe not
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  Speaker 1: in this one, but you know it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to have the pay per view from Sadi in the
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  Speaker 1: US time makes sense for the US time, no doubt,
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  Speaker 1: not that this fight was going to do a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pay per view right with the opponent, but like,
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  Speaker 1: no matter what, Canelo produces some pay per view, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even if it is you know, three three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty thousand or whatever. I'm not sure if that one
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  Speaker 1: hit three hundred and fifty though, but most of them
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  Speaker 1: are three hundred thousand and not but pretty much all
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  Speaker 1: but like this one was bad, but the whole point
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  Speaker 1: is doing it that that way even kills an atmosphere
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  Speaker 1: that's barely even there. It kills it, you know, further
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  Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's really early in the morning there. So,
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  Speaker 1: But like I said, the top rank card in general,
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  Speaker 1: but especially that main event really at least went out
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  Speaker 1: on a great note because otherwise those two back to back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like fight cards. I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty bad, man, pretty freaking bad. Tayl I
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  Speaker 1: thought did look good though, not trying to take any
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  Speaker 1: credit away from him. But yeah, so we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: it and we'll you know, what's next. Obviously, they announced
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  Speaker 1: the Sprint Spence Crawford. Hopefully the reports are true that
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  Speaker 1: it is going to be on Netflix. Let's hope. Let's hope,
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  Speaker 1: because that fight could gander a whole lot of you know,
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  Speaker 1: attention on its own and pay per view numbers and
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  Speaker 1: all that. But if you put that puppy on Netflix,
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  Speaker 1: that could do a great number. So I really hope.
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  Speaker 1: They said it's kind of weird. They're like, well, the
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  Speaker 1: announcement's coming the television, you know, the network, the platform
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  Speaker 1: is coming. So that tells me, you know, maybe they've
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  Speaker 1: already figured it out. Maybe they're I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why you just want to announce it with
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  Speaker 1: the television. I really hope that it's on Netflix. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I really do. I mean, if it's pay per view,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is. But let's help.
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  Speaker 1: We can only hope. And then there's a pluth raw
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  Speaker 1: of fights this weekend. Nothing stands way out as far
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  Speaker 1: as a huge fight, but there are some closely matched fights.
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  Speaker 1: You know, lubit At Homes on Pro Box, Kakachi in
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  Speaker 1: Wood should be a good scrap that's pretty equally matched,
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  Speaker 1: So we'll definitely preview and talk about the weekend. Like
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  Speaker 1: I said, it's busy, it could be. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be better in this weekend, especially Friday
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  Speaker 1: and Saturday. And you know, where does Ryan go? Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Garcia go from here? Like you know, Devin Haney's talking
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  Speaker 1: about that he wants a he wants to rematch anyway,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, this is another reason why you don't
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  Speaker 1: do this fight. Just get right to the fight. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I can somewhat understand, like I mentioned, if you're building
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  Speaker 1: a fight, right, you fight him on the same card,
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  Speaker 1: then they fight, you know next, that's you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: been done for a long long time, many decades, right,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't have on paper that's no big deal,
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  Speaker 1: but they are. He fought, you know, so it's like
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to build anything. But now that's gone,
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  Speaker 1: Now will they still do it? I don't know. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: there is a possibility because then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: now people will be like, wait a second, Amy could
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  Speaker 1: knock him out. Now. Maybe there's more anticipation because a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people were thinking, just get this fight over.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan's gonna knock him down a bunch of time, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And it's over, so I don't know. We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: gonna send a link to John to bring him into
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  Speaker 1: the fold. I'll just kind of start breaking down the
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  Speaker 1: card because, let's face it, I mean the round by
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  Speaker 1: round stuff that I like to do. Let's be honest,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we don't need much of that, but I
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  Speaker 1: will do it to an extent, you know what's hal
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I actually liked him coming in with
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  Speaker 1: the old school yellow checker cab, the cabby that that
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  Speaker 1: was kind of cool. Barbosa was on I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: say attack mode, but he definitely was trying to come forward,
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  Speaker 1: and I just although it made for a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a better fight. I guess you could say it's probably
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  Speaker 1: not how he was going to win. When you go
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  Speaker 1: at Lopez, that's generally what he wants. And you could
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  Speaker 1: make an argument that both of them want that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but either way, first round, both of them were jabbing
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  Speaker 1: fairly well. I did think Lopez landed the better lands
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  Speaker 1: and it was a little busier. Barbosa landed a right
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  Speaker 1: hook I'm sorry, right hand in a left hook late.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably the best land of the round. Lopez jabb
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  Speaker 1: into the head and stomach. Overall, he was you know,
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  Speaker 1: he he was more, he was more active. But honestly,
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  Speaker 1: like I thought, I thought, I thought Barbosa won that
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  Speaker 1: round just off of that right hand left hook. So
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: I gave him that round the third round, in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth round, in the fifth round, I gave to Lopez
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  Speaker 1: jabbin really nice two nice left hooks in, a late
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  Speaker 1: right hand into the head in the fourth round, lead
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  Speaker 1: right hands in you know, nice body shots as well,
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  Speaker 1: a good, very good like head and upper body movement,
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  Speaker 1: I thought. And then whether it was a lead right
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  Speaker 1: hand or a counter right hand along with maybe you know,
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  Speaker 1: one to two in there, whether it's the body or head.
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  Speaker 1: That was the fifth round and a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: fight for Lopez. Now, I thought the sixth round, Barbosa
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  Speaker 1: countered with a right hand during an exchange and it
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  Speaker 1: landed better. I really thought that was a great exchange
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  Speaker 1: and once again a very close round. If you look
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  Speaker 1: at the coffee box, just like I said when I
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  Speaker 1: was talking about the second round where Tail landed seven
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  Speaker 1: to six, that's not really a big deal. And if
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  Speaker 1: someone lands the best shot, that basically does it for me? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the sixth round was very similar nine to eight,
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  Speaker 1: but I thought the best shots were actually Barbosa. That's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of how I scored it there. I did
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  Speaker 1: give Lopez the seventh early right hands to the head,
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  Speaker 1: really nice left hook to the body and in the head. Actually. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the eighth round that was I thought very competitive. I
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  Speaker 1: gave it to Barbosa. I thought it might be the
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  Speaker 1: right hand that did it. But you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: weird because Barbosa he may have not done enough in
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  Speaker 1: that round though, So that was a that was a
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  Speaker 1: close round for me. On the one hand, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: that nice right hand kind of kind of I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna say shook them up, but it kind of know,
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  Speaker 1: it made him pay attention, that's for sure. And then
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  Speaker 1: the ninth round, you know that was back to his
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  Speaker 1: jab mostly a right hand or whatever. But he really
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  Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the comfy box right now, twelve
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  Speaker 1: to one, he really like shut him out. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he did really well in the twelfth round, or not
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  Speaker 1: really well, but did well in the twelfth round two.
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  Speaker 1: But the tenth round I thought was close. That could
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  Speaker 1: have went either way. The eleventh and in the twelfth
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  Speaker 1: I did give two tail. I just thought, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the eleventh round he was jabbing him and then
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  Speaker 1: clowning a little bit, then jabbing him, and he basically
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  Speaker 1: just you know, he outlanded him. Even through nine rounds
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  Speaker 1: of his ninety ninety five to forty nine. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the scorecards were one, eighteen, one, ten and then won
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  Speaker 1: sixteen one twelve. I had it about nine to three,
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  Speaker 1: maybe eight to four, but I was I was okay
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  Speaker 1: with nine to three. Like I said, the eighth round
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  Speaker 1: I thought was close, as was the tenth and somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in between that. You know, six to ten you could
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  Speaker 1: definitely give him. I gave him the second. Talking about Barbosa,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, Barbosa takes his first loss overall though
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  Speaker 1: it was let's see, uh one, twenty seven to seventy one.
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  Speaker 1: So he definitely outlanded him, especially to the body forty
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  Speaker 1: one to sixteen. In the jabs. He just he beat him,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There wasn't any kind of controversy.
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  Speaker 1: I did like how sharp he was in that fight. Tayo,
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, some of that is style. If you
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  Speaker 1: go to Tao Femo, you know it's it's usually pretty
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  Speaker 1: for him because he's such a good counterpuncher, and you
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: know he he mentioned they actually talked about Lampley talked
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  Speaker 1: about it on the on the broadcast that he only
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  Speaker 1: wants two fights, uh tail Fema Lopez. He wants two fights,
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: he said, you know Crawford, which obviously he's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: get in the fall because you know he's already booked,
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  Speaker 1: but boots enis and they said, well, it's not done yet,
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  Speaker 1: but so that would be phenomenal, Like, uh, you know
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  Speaker 1: if Ennis had like I know, he's got a mandatory
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  Speaker 1: he talked about being undisputed, but honestly, like he's got
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  Speaker 1: the lineal now, so you might as well drop a
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  Speaker 1: belt maybe because it wouldn't be a because you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sanctioning belts they're gonna they're gonna just strip it
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  Speaker 1: because it's not like a it's not a unification, you know,
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  Speaker 1: unless they gave him some introm coming out randomly or something,
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  Speaker 1: but none of that matters. You are the lineal. It
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  Speaker 1: was established, and I think that really, I think Lopez
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  Speaker 1: obviously has a chance to be a three time lineal.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why in the money, right, the Sadiso
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  Speaker 1: back it and you put lineal, you know, in front
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  Speaker 1: of that, you know, to get the loma and then
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  Speaker 1: to get the tailor, and then now to take on
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  Speaker 1: Boots who you know. To be fair, he just turned lineal.
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  Speaker 1: But to be honest, he took Stanionis apart for the
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  Speaker 1: most part. I mean, he pretty much devoured him, so
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  Speaker 1: he rendered him pretty quiet. Besides, you know, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of good punches in that fight. So you know, they
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  Speaker 1: said they're making it when they announced these cards. This
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  Speaker 1: is the fight they said they want going to lead
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  Speaker 1: to and it's gonna be a lot of money for
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  Speaker 1: both guys. So I really hope Boots, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have to go up to fifty four. We
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  Speaker 1: know he had a fight on the table and offer
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  Speaker 1: with with Ortiz Virgual Ortiz, and he decided he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to stay at forty seven. Okay, cool, But if you're
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  Speaker 1: staying at forty seven, you know, being undisputed is a
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  Speaker 1: great thing. It's cool, right, But if you've already established
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  Speaker 1: the lineal, then don't even waste time. Drop a belt,
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  Speaker 1: drop drop both belts. If you have who cares fight
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  Speaker 1: this fight, I mean, if you want a big name,
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  Speaker 1: and it would be you know, Lopez coming up and
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  Speaker 1: is his power the same at the way class. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like his power is the same even at forty.
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  Speaker 1: But he's very gifted. He's explosive, he's quick, he can
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  Speaker 1: counter punch, he's got good footwork. I just I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot of athletic aleticism in talent in that ring.
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  Speaker 1: So you just got off a fight. You know, they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the fall for that October card. Get that
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  Speaker 1: fight over. There's really like unless they're just gonna screw
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  Speaker 1: you randomly on the Boots side, I guess either side,
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  Speaker 1: which they're not, there's just no way. I really think
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  Speaker 1: either one of them can let this opportunity go by,
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  Speaker 1: but especially Boots because there's just not much there. Like
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  Speaker 1: Norman Junior, Yeah, it's good fight whatever his mandatory. The
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  Speaker 1: mandatory is not a bad fighter. But it's just like,
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  Speaker 1: if you only have an if your days are numbered
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  Speaker 1: at forty seven, then fight Teyo Fema Lopez, dude, just
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  Speaker 1: just go for it. That would be a dynamic fight
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  Speaker 1: this fall. So that's what I'm hoping. I see, I
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  Speaker 1: see John up here. We're gonna We're gonna bring him
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  Speaker 1: on in. You should be joining any second now. Alrighty,
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  Speaker 1: So that's where I'm at with that. Hey, John, how
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you doing, Chris? How's it going tonight? Not bad, not
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: bad at all. It's very summer like here in Minnesota. Man,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Sunday the temperature jumped up to like eighty one, and
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it's like seventies and eighties for like the next ten days. Oh,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still in New Jersey and it's been warm enough,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: but it was just kind of dry until today started raining.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: But we had one or two days like that, but
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: not that kind of a stretch.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well we've had a good blend of rain and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: then sun, rain and sun. So it's actually very green
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: for this early in May. So yeah, we've been a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: little spoiled. I guess they're making up for some of
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that negative eighteen that we got.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys were long ago. You know, guys always
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: deserve to get that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Can. I actually saw a couple of broadcasters talking about
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that are coming to Minnesota for that Golden State game
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for the next couple of days, and they're like, Wow,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be fifty and rainy. Sweet you know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: like we can come to Minnesota and actually wear shorts.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: So I just saw I just saw a survey. It
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: was actually based on data. It was just in one
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: of the New Jersey papers with NJ dot Com, which
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: is of course they also be the online But anyway,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Minnesota came in as one of the top five states
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: to live in the US.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: So there we go.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Congradulations. Jersey got nineteen. I think West Virginia unfortunately, as
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: usually get stumped on, sometimes fairly, sometimes not fairly. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: think it was forty eight or something like that. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: nineteen is not bad though, No, nineteen's not bad because you.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Had Jersey gets a bad rapp but top twenty is
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: pretty damn good.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: And the only reason Jersey got dropped to nineteen was
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: because of fordability, which sure, yeah, it is pretty much
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: where most of the griping ultimately comes from, because everything
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: else to me is going I think extremely well. But
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: you've just got the the real estate living and really
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: on that cost of living, it's it's really is just
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: real estate and rents.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It's not other things.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: But admittedly that that's and property taxes, but those those
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: things are through the roof.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be honest, there's a lot of states
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and cities where you know, rent and mortgage and all
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: that is out of hand. You know for people that
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: are trying, like if you got it, cool, but if
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you're trying to, you know, climb up the ladder, it
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: is out of hand. And it's been that way for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a while. So you could really point to a lot
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of states and cities.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: But that you know, yeah, that's exactly right. That's the
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: that's the main issue in Jersey. Everything else is good.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Right, good, Well, you gotta do we gotta win something
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: or be top five and something because you know, it's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: cold our sports always, you know, don't get to the
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: super Bowl or the finals and stuff, so you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: we gotta have some positive stuff. Well, yeah, that's right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned that.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that about two hours ago, and I
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: was impressed by that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah, for some reason, I didn't.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Read all the details on every state, but right, right,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Utah was number one.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Surprisingly in that. Well, we had a good run of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: legislation in the last couple of years, so let's hope
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that stays afloat. Speaking of staying afloat, so the first
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: two days, you know, heading into this weekend. We had
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of gripes and it's not really gripes, not
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: at more than fair criticism. We weren't coming out of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: left field with stuff. You know, it is what it is.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: And stylistically, it's not like there was a lot there
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: in the first two days. Stylistically maybe the heavyweight fight
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I thought would be better, whatever, But I mean, when
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: three of the fights are like now top five compy box,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you know, not the not the positive compy box, the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: negative compy box, that's hard to do like that is
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: very difficult to have three of them do that. We'll
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: start with the Friday night. We'll work our way up.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We'll start positive because at least they were throwing punches
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in land in some although it was very one side
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of a tale female's victory. But we'll start there. So
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the set up, when I look at the setup, of
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: course we knew it wasn't gonna be much seating there
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: that that's fair, and of course you're gonna have a gate.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Of course you're gonna gate. The thing off, I wasn't
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: anticipating like it's so people can't stand that close to it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: That was a little strange to me because you like
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: have like a full on like wall almost where you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: can't look over it, and you're you're asking people to
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: sit there for a couple hours and not be able
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to do that. I did notice across the street that's
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: where people were kind of looking at those screens. So
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the setup obviously was funky. The crowd was pretty dead,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you know, but you can't blame them, you know, because
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: it was what the hell was going on in the ring.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: But we'll start with Teo Femo. He looked pretty sharp
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: when a guy comes to him, that's his thing. He
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: loves that. At the counters were there, he was jabbing
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: to the body. Could he have pressed the gas a
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: little bit? I believe so, But I did like his
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: body work. Well what did you think of Teale Femo?
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And then after I was just talking about it as
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you popped on with the boots and us, this is
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: what they told us that that would be the next
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: fight in the fall, and now that they don't have
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: per se anyway, the Garcia Hani fight, which you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a second. I really hope
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: they'd make that fight. But let's talk about what happened
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in the ring. I did like the coming in the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: old school yellow checker, Cabby. I did like that little effect.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: That was kind of fun. But what'd you think overall,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just on the setup that you saw or whatever, maybe
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: some thoughts there and then and then that first fight,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: because at least there was something going on in the fight.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we you know, of course you got it
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: is boxing. We talk about it in the ring, but
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: I do want to preferace it leading into what you said,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: and I think we're going to have to talk about
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it a lot before the show's over. You know, the
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: add of the ring overshadowed it in terms of how
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: far the sport has fallen, not just because of this weekend,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: but just like you said, talking about these issues and
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: then what happened over this weekend, you know, on Friday
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and Saturday, and at least, I'll say, in the social
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: media era, it's the first time I've noticed that, even
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: though people might be coming from not might are coming
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: from different perspectives about it. It was to me in
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the social media era the first time, like you saw
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: a consensus was like all people.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Like the sports. The sports in trouble.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: It can't go on like this, So I think we
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: got to jump at the opportunity to discuss it because this,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: like I said, at least in the social media, I mean,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: you always had people talking about problems with boxing for decades.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I agree with that it declined and got worse the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: sport in terms of popularity and some of the stuff
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: going on in the ring, not all of it, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the promotional issues, the alphabets, all that, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it just seemed to crystallize this weekend where now you
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: have a majority of people who look at things from
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: all different angles saying this is horrible. It can't go long.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Boxing's going nowhere like this. So let's get into the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: ring now, like a team of tia femo and I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: think since we're going to go over each fight, it's
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: good to highlight as go along, because this to me
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: really added to you know, how dire the situation is.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Like you know tia Fimo Lopez, you know, he had
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: a decorated American amateur career. You know, he didn't make
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the Olympic team, so he ended up you know, fighting
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: for you know, Honduras. But he was a decorated American
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: amateur that just fell short the Olympic team. Why I
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: want to mention that because that's a theme, that's an
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: unfortunate theme. In other words, we're talking about American fighters here,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: us sensibilities, like we've been calling out for. Not that
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: we like these matchups that much. We did not, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: we were clear about that before the card. But like
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: you know, these are arguably the best, you know, some
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: of the best the Americans have to offer in terms
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: of pedigree, some of the guys for this Araban market,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and that includes t Ya Femo. So he did perform
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: the best out of him. You know, like you said,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: if that leads to an NS fight, heck that at
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: this stage, that's one of the best things you can do.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Because NS came off performance not like these this weekend
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: where he took care of business against a tough opponent
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: even though he was heavily favored but still standing in
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: US no joke. You know, I'm a tough opponent and
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: he really dominated him. So, you know, Ta Femo, I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: think Ta Femo is much more talented than than Barbosa,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and you know, ultimately that made the difference just because
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: in most fights, you know, Barbosa he doesn't have any pop,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: but he but he turns up the volume, but it's
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: kind of funny now like he hasn't for whatever reason
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: when he you know, like it's like he hasn't quite
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: been able to do it like he was, even though
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: this is his first loss just very recently now in
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: like his last couple of fights. But his trademark, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: then sometimes that is because the opposition gets better, let's
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: face it. So you know, his trademark, you really can
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: look back now probably against lesser opposition, is just really
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: being able to turn up you know, does everything okay,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: no pop, but turns up the volume, you know, and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and we'll do it. But so that would have been
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: his ticket here, and you know, ta Femo having the pop,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: the talent, the speed enough to get a clear victory.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: You know, that was good, but not in a thrilling fight.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: But then this was the one that on paper, odds wise,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: going into the weekend was the closest, right yet tia Fimo,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you know, performed better than the others because even even
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: though our last fight at the weekend, you have in
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: a way in a thriller, but he's in a life
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: and death with a guy who's he's a minus five
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: thousand over, so let's not Some people were kind of
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: confused at it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Let's not.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Excitement wise, the performance and horror was great, but like
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that's not you know, we can get to that last
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: but that way you want, So tia Fimo not having
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: any of those kind of problems and getting a clear victory.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Obviously everybody thought he won the fight, but didn't score
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: spectacular ko or any thing. I believe, you know, he's
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: shown the poppy. I don't believe he's lost it, but
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: he's not. He's not getting the he's not getting the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: KOs or hurting people.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, barely. He used to.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Right knockdowns, and I don't think that's just from like
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I said, the one thirty five to one forty.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: To me, that's meaningless.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: So something else there. You know, it kind of goes
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: with the weekend. Just we're not we're not seeing somebody,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: and that part you can give in a way, you know,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: we're not we're not seeing some of these fighters just
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: really really going for it and try and impress like that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: But now the atmosphere I've said going in so it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: not hindsight or anything. In the New York, New Jersey
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: area now was last Friday, you know, thirty five miles
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: from where the ring was the idea of this card
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: is to capitalize on kind of the old playbook. You're
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: in the New York metro area doing it in a
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: different way, if course, but getting the free media, you know,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the local news stations coming out, the buzz in the area.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: You know, the old newspapers were online now, but they
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: do still print the hard copies every day here. And
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you know, boxing fan base generally does I think the
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: most reliable stats are you know, et skews a bit older.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So you can't totally ignore that because a lot of times,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: and I've seen that personally, they're still catering to those
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: kind of fans, at least to a degree. So here's
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: what I'm getting to. I actually couldn't believe in a
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: negative sense the day of the fight. I even you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: posted an X about it because it was so glaring
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: to be I mean, there was nothing that I saw.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying I see every single thing. You know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going in and do it, but like there was,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: nobody was talking about nobody made said anything about it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I saw, at least what I saw, you know, I
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: saw nothing pop up on local news in those hard
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: copies that still come out in the New York the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: daily news, which are old boxing papers, not anymore. But
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you know, historically you always see the back pages, you know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: historically going back decades. Nothing, I mean, not even an article,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: you know, even even nowadays you would normally get a
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: little quarter of a page run. And I checked the
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: online versions too, you know, I don't stay in the past,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: so check both online versions. Nothing, I mean nothing. And
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: this is in the center of Times Square. Everybody else.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I had no idea they were gonna wall off the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: view of the fights from in Times Square, which to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: me makes no sense, right, so you look, so you
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: lost that. So the idea of getting this like peripheral buzz,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: which is the idea when you have fights in a
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: major metro area like New York City, you know, sixteen
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: people or so in the metro area, there was just
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: no buzz, nothing peripheral, which would have been the whole
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: idea of it, especially for dizone because as we said
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: correctly many times and we'll say it again, because it
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: applied to this weekend, and why do you need that
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: More than ever, the zone doesn't have a broadcast network
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: where they can run ads without having to buy and
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: it actually popped up by accident, but I thought it
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: was really telling to me. Also, on the day of
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the fight, on social media, I saw a di zone
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: ad for the fight pop up that it showed where
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I was purchased from from Double Click, which is which
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: is an online media ad company. Okay, so that I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: could see that knowing my you know what I know
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: about media. I mean that they had purchased those ads.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's like bad, but like so they
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: didn't want to go just like we're saying they couldn't
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: put that money out for TV. So you know, they
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: were probably buying geographical ads on like Double Click. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I'm here in Jersey, so that's why I'm getting it
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and I'm not. I don't say that's bad, but like there,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: it was kind of like to me, like they're subbing
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: in you know you would want that, and TV you
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't mean you wouldn't want to do that. But just
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: just nothing on TV. I'm hearing nothing popping through on
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: my streaming radio where you're getting local you know, if
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: they get local coman, just just nothing anywhere. Nobody talks
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: going out, Nobody mentioned a word. I didn't hear one
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: word about it, so I could see it would be.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Like a little half a column where it just stated
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: it or something, you know, like.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: That's normally what you get at the point. Even today,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: you would get one of the sports writers or a
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: lower sports writer because they laid off all the regular
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: boxing writers years within the last ten years, the last
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: of them. But you would have something like that utshell
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: or something. And sometimes they even they're pretty savvy like that,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: every once in a while they might bring back one
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: of the the old writers like that is just the
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: guest contract. Sure, alumn for that. I've seen that before too,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Like Tony Page would pop up who was present to
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: boxing writers and he used to do the local sports
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: talk overnight and stuff. You know, good writer, good good commentator.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you would see somebody like him pop up, or
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I see George Will still out there like
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: an ax. He used to write boxing for the Post
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: when they still did it. But there's but just something
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: there was nothing. There was just an online or really
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: not exaggerating like the worst I've ever seen it, because
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: you know, when tia Fimo, I think it was when
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: he was fighting Josh Taylor, which was a big fight,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you know, in recent years, you saw some of that,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you saw some people talking about it, or you heard
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: some people talking about so anyway, not nothing nothing on that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: So and you know Tina Femo and New York guy too,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: so he's even local in terms of you know, usually
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: you get that spin tied in. It just just really
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: really was worst I've ever seen.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I heard it. I heard an ad going to work
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: on a basketball podcast, I believe it was. That's the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: only thing I saw in general. Ever, I did notice
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: that on one of the direct TV stream UH sports channels,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: just a random sports channel, that they were playing Canelo's fights,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like Showtime would do that. Like on CBS
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Sports Network. They showed Glovekin Canelo Glovekin one and two,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: and I watched a chunk of it, but I didn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: see an ad for it. But I can't say that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I watched the whole fight, so maybe it came up
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: at some point, but you think that'd be right on
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the screen, Like hey, just so you know. Another thing.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So I couldn't buy the bundle. I couldn't buy it,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: so I wasn't going to you know, I checked to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: see if I could. I couldn't buy the damn and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: then they kept having on Twitter, they kept saying link
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: in the bio and so you have you have an
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: extra link too, like how are you going to be
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: a subscriber? And it's just not right on the app,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: you know. It's like you'd have the one paper, one paper,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: and then you have the bundle, you know, or the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: option when you're about to buy it you can bundle
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it or something. It went. I paged through the whole thing,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: is like there's there's no bundle here, Like it's it's
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: just maddening. It's it's it's I just talk about unprofessionalism.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Like we know, it's sports media. The professionalism is is
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, decreased, you know, majorly. But I mean this
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I just don't I don't get it.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I got you know, I got to tie it in
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: because it said and you know a lot of people
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: are on it already. But you know, because I I
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: really am protective of it because of the history and
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I've always advocated it's good for the sport, because of
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the history, to keep it going.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have it than die.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they turned the ring like like just even
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the ring, you know, like like they were putting up
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: like posts all over social media stuff in the ring
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: during the fights, like that had zero credibility whatsoever. Like
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: this fight, you know, this fight's great, come by a
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: review Like it's like like totally disgrace, totally realms.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: These are all three fifty to fifty.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Fights right right like it just like it totally disgraced
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: the ring name, like you trashed it, like like it
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: was so dumb there marketing, Like in other words, if
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: you're gonna do this, you keep the ring name like
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: it should be fully credible.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: But you'll know what I mean, like you keep the
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: ring name semi credible. You don't throw the ring name
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and disgrace it like all this ridiculous.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You know, they have the ring belt in the U
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: bank ben you see that, like is this intramlineal or
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: what is this?
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: You know exactly? And then they put it alongside the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: alphabet stuff. They totally I mean it's like boxing marketing
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: one oh one. Yeah, you wouldn't do what they did.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, really, any anybody who has any historical knowledge
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: or and at least been a marketing knowledge could it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: It's almost like a like a twenty year old kid
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: or something, right, and I'm not saying young people sometimes
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: don't know more than older people with modern stuff. But
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: like that part of it, you don't use the ring
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: like for that, you know, right, you do something else
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: for that, Like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they bought that account, switched the ring to that,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: and then now it can't get half the impressions that
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: dude was getting. You know, Yeah, why you just hire
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the guy to run the account then, you know, like
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: if you're already gonna buy the account, just pay him
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: off and let him do his thing.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, man, it just just I mean,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: you're not even being unfair. It's just there was just
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: so much awfulness to just make up a word, just
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: so much awfulness, Like.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: We want to talk about what goes out of the ring. Yeah,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: and I was trying.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I was bending over backwards because there's stuff I don't
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: even necessarily want to mention some of the names, but
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: like because there are some stuff in the past they've done,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and people who you know, wrote for newspapers who you're look,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: we know newspapers have had crooked episodes, just like anything
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: else in human society, but without understand stood it's just
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: it kind of is the same. Like you know, in law,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to file a code of ethics. I mean, like,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: are there crooked lawyers? Of course, there's plenty of and
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know, do all lawyers file follow all the ethics
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: rules when they're supposed to know? But like that's what
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like journalists, like you're writing for a newspaper,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: people who have written for major newspapers, you're supposed to
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: be having followed a journalistic code of ethics when you
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: wrote for a major newspaper. And then they're they're putting
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: stuff up like for the Ring in Turkey, like they're
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: just saying this nonsense, disgracing themselves, like over this weekend,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: and even I was just like, because, like I said,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: wanting to have some newspaper writers still involved, I'm like,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: what are these guys doing? I mean, we know why
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: they're doing it, but it just was pathetic. It really
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: was pathetic. I mean, just like disgracing themselves real quick.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: He obviously got knocked off showtime, but years ago. But
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: what do you think of Tarvor as a broadcaster? I
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: liked him a lot.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: I liked him quite a bit when he first started
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: out and anything before he got kicked off. I know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I thought he kind of leveled off to me, like, yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: he's not bad, but yeah, I thought when I heard
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: him early on like show time and stuff before I
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: liked him. Yeah, I did too, and you know, I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: thought he could go on a real assent. But but
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: even before he got bounced, I kind of felt like
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: he leveled off. So, yeah, he's not terrible. I still
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: don't think he's terrible, but right, right, he kind of
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: he kind of leveled off to me. Yeah, I thought
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: he was gonna end up being better. I thought he's
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: gonna end up being better.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. That's a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: good way to put it. And because there's still this
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that was spectacular, it's like yeah, right, right, you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: and then they're going to Tyson and it's just like
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't even want to go there. So it's just
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: it's so you know this so hany, Basically we know
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he moves, but I thought this was excessive for him,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: even he well yeah you know what I mean, even
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: for him because.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Ramirez is not and Ramirez is not a great puncher,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: right yeah, yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Yep, it was like excessively move, not really throw or
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: land a lot, you landed some good jabs or whatever,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: and then Ramirez, you know, not throwing much deep in
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: those first couple of rounds when HAINI was really not
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: doing shit. It's like he couldn't get it off. But
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: then it's that's tough to get off. But I saw
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: like jab move, clinch, you know that that's about the
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: rhythm of it. I mean, when you look, seventy punches
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: landed in a twelve round fight to forty, neither of them,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: meaning claim, really came close to three hundred and two
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: seventy nine. I guess thrown that they were even on
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the jab basically, I didn't even realize that. But I mean,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: it's just did anybody land Okay, the closest they got
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: was nine, so nobody broke Well, it makes sense nobody
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: broke double digits. Maybe that nine wasn't actual ten. But
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, even for Hani's standards, at least he'll pump
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the jab and win the realm pretty cleanly in his fights.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: You know, this is just horrendous. This is it? Is
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: it that he's worried about getting knocked down now even
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: more now because he wouldn't move this much. I mean,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: this was excessive even for Hanni. Yeah, I think.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be some of that, because you know he
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: was he was hurt multiple times against Ryan Garcia, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: we'll get to that probably next But you know, that's
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the one hindsight I'm gonna pull there for myself, is
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: you know when and I have analyzed this other times
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: and I kind of ignored it on this one. I mean,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: when the guy gets caught for PD and then he's
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: probably off him for the next fight, he very well
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: might be very well not be may not be bringing
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the same power and speed at STANFORDA.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: That he's been written.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's the only thing I'll give Haney there
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: is you know, he might have taken some damage in
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: that fight, legitim. I mean, that's not an excuse. Like
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: a guy on peds and just juiced up and he
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: was getting hurt. It might have taken some toll. But
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the problem here is, I mean, Ramirez is not a
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: puncher and his performance was just dreadful. And you know,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: this was the opening where I wasn't picking Ramirez, but
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: like he was a huge underdog and I thought, I
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: thought there was a scenario where hany fights like this.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: But what I didn't see in this scenario was like
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: I thought, I thought like Ramirez would just be like
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: throwing and missing.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: But like are Russian.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Throne and maybe stealing side grab him, rough them up,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: but he just came with nothing. And want to get
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: back to my point, which is a theme for the
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Friday Night, which is really reminding us how bad this is.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: You know, Haney at a very young age, a decorated
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: US amateur, fought Ryan Garcia six times in the Amateurs.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned it because they're they're that area
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: part of the time too, and remember when it was
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: hosted down there. One of the times they fought was
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: in Charleston, West Virginia and the you know US Junior Championships.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: It's on YouTube, and that was the one that Garcia
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: got a decision. But again this this hani you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Devin Haney at a very young age, but a very
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: decorated US amateur and he's fighting Jose Ramirez, who was
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: a US Olympian. Yeah, I mean, these are these are
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Americans who should be like, you know, carrying the next
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: wave or yeah he and marketable, and these are just
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: dreadful performances. I mean, you know, maybe all right, maybe
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Ramirez is done, but but you know, the guy US
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Olympian and Hani a decorated amateur. I mean, and then
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: we're getting compu box records for amount of punches thrown.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: You can't blame that on no crowd. Come on, this
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: is just read. I mean these are you know, American guys.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is you know, in the US, just dreadful.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, just like everybody's saying, I know everybody's agreeing
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: on this one. I mean, just just dreadful. And then
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: you know, the Hans after the fight. Look, I'll give
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Devin Haney. He might have got it and it is unfair,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: like I don't blame him for the suit there. He
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: might have gotten damaged by a guy who was on peds.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: He probably did, but.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: You know that should be no contest. That's great, that's fine,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: no problem. But you still took the damage, you know, yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and not getting that back. But then like after the fight,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the hainis like, are somewhat delusional,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Like hey, look, you know there there may only be
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: one Floyd Mayweather, you know, like you're you're not this
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm not. And look Mayweather and some of those
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: performances and he was still totally out boxing the guys,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: including Canelo, and everybody agreed he won the fight, you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: except one judge who have But just getting back to
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the point that like, you know, you're not You're not
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Like you know, we're not even in that era of
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: boxing ten years ago where you're getting that kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: exposure anyway, like showtime, you know, HBO, et cetera, with
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: them promoing pay per views. I mean, like what I'm
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: getting at is like them thinking like, well, you know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: we're we're just being hate after the fight. We're just
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: being hated on and we're gonna we're gonna move forward,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: and you're just hating.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Thought Floyd was boring. It's like, name me a fight
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: that went twelve rounds where.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: He landed under one hundred punches exactly, you know, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: he would be making the other guy legitimately missed not landing.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: It's just not the guy not throwing, just not landing.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: And you know that's what I mean. Like this, Hey, guys,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: you know that you're not You're not Floyd Mayweather. This
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: is this is garbage. You're not You're you're not getting
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: marketed from this, and you know you're you're not you're
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: not rebounding.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: From this easily in twenty twenty five.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: I mean you're building up there. There's you don't have
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: the exposure to build a build a following with that
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: kind of style just because of your persona or something
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, you may they may have thought
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: that even five years ago. It's not happening. So you know,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: you fight like this and and you know this is
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: this kind of ties into with you know, and we
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: still got one more of these to go, but like, yeah,
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: we're horrible, like but it's it's probably the point to
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: mention it, Chris, because I've said this lot and I've
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: always believed it. I think it's a good week to
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: point it out. This is why, in my view, you
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: have to especially if there's a real title involved, like
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: a lineal you know, or somebody that everybody's recognizing as
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: the champ basically, or a legit champ. You can't, like
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: like this wasn't that situation, but like you can't, but
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: we've seen it a lot. You can't have challengers coming
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: into fights like this and then you know, we got
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: that on the Saturday Night with Canell, like you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: you know, dancing all over the place, not throwing and
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: then hoping they're going to get their hand raised at
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: the end, and then some people saying, oh, I think
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: he outboxed.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Them when he ran all around the ring. You can't.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: You can't have a sport where you're going to have fights,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: especially at the at the top level, for a lineal title,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: for a big fight where everybody's recognizing a champion, and
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: have challengers come in and fight like you know any
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: of the some of these guys we saw, you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday, and they're going to get a decision.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: You can't. You can't have a sport like you've said,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: and I totally agree. Look, ultimately, it's about entertaining, it's pride,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: it's still prize fighting, so you can't. You can't sell
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: a sport like that. So I've always said that's what
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I do. Believe. You've got to slant to the aggressor.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: And if a guy's somewhat ineffective, but they're moving forward
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: trying to throw punches and it's close and somebody else
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: is running around the ring, right, I think it's got
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: to go to the aggressor. And I'm not saying that
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: changed any of these decisions.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: This weekend.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: But we see this come up a lot, and it's
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: worth I think it's worth throwing it now because there's
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: people that give him a pass. Not all, but like
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: you know that that's to me, like Bivoll doesn't win
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: those two fights against Better BF. To me, sure, you know, yeah,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: you want to make it close. I could. I even
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: had a clothe, but no, he doesn't win either of them.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And you've got people that want to give him a pass,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: and he's landing.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Like probably sixty more shots and you're saying that, you
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like at least there was something,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not saying.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he was down on this level, no,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: but you're standing that's how his style, his stile, his
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: style is definitely in that range. I mean, you have
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the guy in the second fight say afterward, which he
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: was being honest, but it totally fits the way he fights.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: He thought in the first fight he made a mistake
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: that he tried to land some hard shots early against Better.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: He would have been better off just pitter padding right,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: doing that for twelve rounds rather than actually like try
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to land a hard shot and put it in here.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: So that's the guy's own words, you know, but I'm
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: diverting just that. You know, we had we had a
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: lot of that kind of stuff this weekend on a
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: worst level. I agree with you, and you're not not
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: saying Bivol didn't do even more, but.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: No, but if there can be improvement in that needed,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: then it shows you really how bad this was.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Comp CompuBox record, CompuBox records for the for the for
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the worst outputs.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I mean you had three of them. Yeah, it's right,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Rolely lands a really beautiful shot with the left hook
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: early in the second round, drops them. But you know,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: another just really slow fight, maybe like Garcia. Let's say
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now, maybe two out of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the three out of the first five rounds you could
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: give them, and it was more like you know, Roly
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: from maybe the fifth or sixth to the eighth or whatever.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: He was doing okay as far as just winning rounds,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: but it's just once again, you're looking at this and
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: you have Garcia sixty six total lands to fifty seven
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: once again, two and ten punches in twelve rounds thrown,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and Roly's not mister active, but to eighty like the
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: one thing I'll say is I did like Roy going
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: to the body forty five. That's like the cleanest part.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: So fifty seven of his lands were forty five of
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: them were to the body, So forty five to seven,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: that's about Besides that great left houck in some body work.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just another one of those fights
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: where you're just like, and then what do you do? Now?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: You hear Devin Haney say I still want my rematch,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: And this is another reason why this should just went
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: right to the Dan reemon.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I mean we said it before the fight should have
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: just went right to it. Another thing I missed that
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: as outside the peds because Garcia, you know the one thing.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, of course, I'll admit I'm not running from it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: No pun intended with what we saw this weekend in
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: these fights. But you know, I thought with Garcia his
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: speed and sharp punching, that with Rolly swinging wide, I
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: didn't think it was a situation where Rollie might not
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: be able to hurt him. Because Rolly does bring some
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: pop he doesn't get credit for. He showed it against Garcia,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: at least with that left hook, and he'll throw hard punches.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: But you know, I thought Garcia would be able to throw,
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: you know, throw Sharper and he's got power. But here's
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: the part outside the peds kind of glossed over from
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: his fight with Haney. He won that fight legitimately, but
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: a lot on the two knockdowns, he wasn't throwing that
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: much in that fun.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: His volume was down a lot, and I didn't think
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: that would have to come against you know, would show
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: up against Raleigh, but it did. I mean, so now
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: you've got Garcia, who's got a good offensive skills that
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: for who knows with him is the punch output in
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: the last two fights has just been plunging.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: And yeah, you don't, like you said, at least he
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: could point to he was knocking him down, but he
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was La was big. But it was clear that he
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: didn't want to get tired. You know.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, So he's not throwing, and he looks a
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: lot smaller.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt. You look at his back. You
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: know it's it was he was not you know, whatever
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: whatever he was using that stuff for, he did. His
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: body did look different and not in a good way.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: And you know, now he's your tank's one of the
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: hardest punchers in boxing. So you're no shame here. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: got taken out by Tank, but sure, but uh Luke
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Campbell's not was never a big puncher.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: He got dropped by him. But now Rowlie's a good
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: puncher though, So.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna say Rawllie's you know, I've
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: always believed Raley is a good puncher.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Here, credit too. You've said this more than once that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's not as bad as everybody talks about.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I have said that a lot. Yeah, I mean he
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: said it again right for you know, last week.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Because he'll he'll you know, he he'll throw he'll throw
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: some hard shots at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll throw
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: some meaningful hard shots at you. You know, and I
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: think the powers, the power is real, and you know
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: he's got some strength.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: I never thought he I have always said that. I
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: just never thought he was as bad as he was
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: getting knocked and he made out to be.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: But I wasn't.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I wasn't picking him, right, Gotta gotta confess really, So again,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: you know, Raleigh not spectacular, but a huge underdog dropping
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: him and getting the win. Of course, you got to
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: give him some props there like everybody pretty much is.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: But just just a dreadful performance by Ryan Garciaan again
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: a decorated American amateur, you know, brand three with Haney
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: in the Amateurs US Junior Champ.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: You know, I had a huge number in that tank fight. Yep,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: huge fact.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: So here's again another you know, top American guy right
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: with the with the social media following huge number in
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: the tank fight and just just coming up empty like
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: this after a peed thing where he really needed redemption.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we've seen a lot of comebacks and
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: boxing where you think people are out and stuff, and yeah,
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: sure you can say who knows, but I'm with you too,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Like nobody wants this rematch with HAINI.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Now, no, we didn't need to see it anyway. But
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, just do it. And here
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: we are. If they do this, John, I really hope they.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I know that most of them signed three three fight contracts.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: But if they do this thing and they just rush
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: it and say yeah, let's just go to it, it's
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: just it's just it's just but I wouldn't put it
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: past them, to be honest with you, Well, they're making
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: terrible what's it gonna be ani ROI.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they're making terrible They're making terrible decisions. They're
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: just making terrible decisions. It really, that's the thing.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: What is it opening?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: It's just almost things just have to get they have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: to get revamped. I mean, you know, you sure you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: can keep going like you are, but it's just going
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: to keep going down and down like you know, as
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: as it stands today. I mean, I just don't see
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: where Ryan Garcia is going. I'm trying to think he
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: would have to just get a get a get a
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: big fight and you know, score a big.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Knockout or something. That's really his only hope and that's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: where it can.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: For him to do that, right, But but even now,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: it's got to be like a big knockout against a Raleigh.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: It's got to be like he would have to get
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: some kind of fight people maybe felt like he didn't
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: even deserve. I'm making one up, but this is like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: to give you an idea of what you would need.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Like he would have to get the fight with Boots
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: and everybody, why are they doing this? And and then he.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: And bihocks boots out or something.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: You know, we've seen crazy things in boxing, but I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: think it is going to take something like that.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, if he's just banging.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: Out lesser opposition or something, it's this this guy's this
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: guy's damage. Now with the pds, the the erratic behaviors
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: come out like this. He's not reliable where you're gonna want,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: He's not at all. You know, it's one thing to
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: tune into the unreliable guy where you're not paying a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: pay per view price, even if it was HBO or
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Showtime dased sure, yeap, you know thirteen bucks a month
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: or whatever.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, with all sorts of other energy, with all
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: sorts of other stuff. Right, you're not like, you're not
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: wasting your hard earned dollar on Oh I'm going to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: see if Ryan Garcia can turn it around for eighty Yeah.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: No, it's like Ariola or something. After a while you're like, yeah,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you're not. I'm not believing in you anymore. You know,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's actually a good comparison. Yah, all, I kind of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: did do is man, did I love him coming up
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: and all the rules he was in and you.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: Know, entertaining, but then too many surveyces like you said
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: it just that w yeah, but yeah, it's dreadful. So
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: you know, big win for Raleigh. But what do you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: it's it's just it's just dreadful. Ryan Garcia just just
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: having that kind of a performance.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: And I gotta admit, like, during an interview with him,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: it did seem like he had like some of his
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: ship together, Like he seemed more focused. He wasn't saying
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: all this dumb ship and racist ship and all sorts
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: off that he's you know what he was saying last yeah,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you know, and so it seemed like, you know, I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: got my head straight, I got to this, I got that,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: and yeah, had Derek James, I mean, so yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: It's not like he was trying to get by with
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: an unknown brand, you know, ground. But it's like, hey,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: James has got to be paid too, So just saying
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: that can be a sign like that's what I'm thinking, like, oh,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: you know, he's paying for games.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and you're going back right back to who
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: you're with and you're not getting somebody that's just gonna
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: let you run over them or whatever, right exactly exactly,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, terrible. Yeah, It's like I said, just from
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the setup, those screens, you know, there was screens in
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: the top of the ring they looked somewhat big, but
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how good of a view that was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: from across the street. It's still a screen. It's still
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: a screen. It's still a screen, And it's why would
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: you have a wall? I get you're gonna have a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: gate if you're gonna have people sitting there. I totally
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: get that you're gonna have a gate, But like, why
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you just be able to stand there for three
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: hours and check out the fight? That's the whole point.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: That's the whole point.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that shocked me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: That's the whole point. You want that naturally away from it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: If you're a block away, you're like, what the hell's
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: doing on down there? I don't know.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: You actually want that natural atmosphere where you're walking around
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: out there and yeah.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: It's impact place.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Know right right, that's the idea. I mean just just.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: It seemed like there was a lot of waste of space,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of open space, but no fan, I don't
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: know the setup, I don't know. I don't know how.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: It felt like those people either overpaid for the ticket,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: which we see that all the time, or they were
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: just giving it, giving the ticket because they're you know,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: some sort of famous person or money with person with money,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: or but half the crowd and even paying attention.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was taking it like they were given like
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: they because you know, Lennox, Lowers and all these guys.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Which that's a good idea.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: But that I was just kind of kind of figuring
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: that's what that was. Yeah, so cool, they get to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: sit down the whole time, that's fine, but why not
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: let people have a standing room vibe? Right, you know,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was gonna be street, That's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: what I figured. You know, I totally get that you're
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: not just gonna be like, oh, first time, first serve
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and it's a big mob or something. I understand that part,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I couldn't understand the wall. It's like, I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, and you're dealing with people from New York.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna have time to you know, be like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: you know, go fuck yourselves, you know what I mean,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: what are we doing here? You know, like for a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: couple of hours, Like I don't know.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: But if you if you let them line up and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: say they can watch it for free, they do it.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they do it. You know, like give
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: them a clear view and.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: Give them clear them all to pack times square and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: you get people doing that kind of crazy stuff there
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Give them a clear view, let them you know, sit
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: there and film it. Let them like, you know, get
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: it going.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: You know, like, yeah, this wasn't about a pay per
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: view sale. It shouldn't be. Yeah, I mean it shouldn't
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: have been. So you know you're gonna do something like this.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: You're trying to market your product, market the sport, so
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: it's it's not compatible with them, like your wall. It
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: off in a pay per view and you're not letting
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: people see it. It just doesn't make sense.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: They're across the street because for a while I couldn't
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: see the setup. And then finally they showed a shout
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: and said, okay, they're across the street. I don't even
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: know if all of them can see. But why not
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: set it up kind of like hockey and basketball playoffs.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: The further the team goes, there's a big screen outside
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: of the building. Yeah, that's that'd be cool. That'd be great.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: People do people do like that. Don't get me wrong,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: They in the modern they like the screen. I'm not
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: saying don't have much, but just like make it where,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: you know, like a concert where you can look at
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: the screen, you can try to look at the stage.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's a good that's a good way
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: to put it. Yep, and have some volume, you know,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: like right, yeah, I don't know that that anyway. The Yeah,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the biggest, the most positive thing is tail Fema one.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: And let's hope that Boots fight happens. The money's behind it,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: so there's really not a good reason why it wouldn't happen.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: This is this is this would be a great fight.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Have that and have that in New York or Atlantic City.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: Yes, you know, yes, at least in an arena. Yeah,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: carry you know some of the regional crowd. And I understand,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: I Vegas gives you a big sight fee, but you don't.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: You don't have it. Don't have it in Saudi.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I honestly don't think it. I don't
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: think they would give him a big sighte fee.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: You know, it seems like those days are starting to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: not be there like they were.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: There's only a handful that would be a good like
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: a sizable hand fee. I mean, you're getting a couple
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand, maybe a mill tops and that's a that's
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: a lot and that tops I shouldn't say that. But besides,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: like the Jervonte and Canelo and stuff like that, the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: fees are not I don't see a fee in that fight.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Like you said, it should be on the East coast.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: We know Boots draws tail females from the area, you know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: at least when he was a kid, and he spot
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, the garden multiple times. So that's where
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the fight needs to happen. And I hope they do
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: it because if you just bring it over to Sadi,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like and let's go to Saturday, so
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: you have the card later. So it's here, but there's
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: already no atmosphere. But if you kick it out at
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: three in the morning there four in the morning there,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be even less atmosphere. But it is what
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: it is. If you can make that fight, I'll just
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: deal with it. But so before we get into the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you know, the the ultimate stinker again, let's talk about
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the heavyweight fight, because that is one that we were
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: kind of eyebond like, if this works out, you know what,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: But we did, you know, we were right on mccoli
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: obviously as far as how good a shape can he be?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: In what was it three hundred and what he weigh in?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: It was it was.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Heavy, it was a two ninety nine or something like that.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I mean it was right at that at that, you know,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: at the not good level.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like that. I feel like that when we
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: got right and the job got the decision. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: And I did put that bet down too. Once you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: talked about it, I was, I was, I I was
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: bummed at that. I mean, I didn't think it was biased.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, not a not a not the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: greatest heavyweight fight we've ever seen or anything, but a job.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: We should have gotten the wind. But COOLi showed the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: flaws we expected. I mean, you know that that. I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: felt like we were totally on because you know, a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: job but was a significant underdog. I mean, so it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: those are not those are hard calls to make. I mean,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: when a lot of people were picking favorites all the time,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: I've never seen him pick an underdog right like where
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: they just make the call. So it's hard. It's hard
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: to like make the call. And you know, I felt
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: like this was set up well for a job button
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: and it did fit what I thought too.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, Corona just since he got with him,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: he just the guy bought. You know, the guy just
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: boxes a lot.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: I mean he's mediocre at it. He's gotten better and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: he's effective enough obviously to stay in there as we're now,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: you know, just kind of on the top tennis level.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: But he was a high volume heavyweight, which is dangerous
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: even though he had some vulnerabilities with power. And you know,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: now the power is not showing and he's not he's
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: not showing the same volume that he was in the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: past either.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was really accurate for four fifty one thrown.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: He landed a buck ninety, like one hundred and ninety
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: punches for four fifty. That's damn accurate. The jab we
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: figured that was as one O six to sixty three. Yeah,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: it's got like it seems like he's really got his
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: jab tight. But like you said the other part, now
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: we were kind of asking to throw the jab or
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: at one point, but now it's like, hey, you got
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: the jab, man. You It's kind of like remember when
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Stewart be in the corner with the Klitschko and'd be like, hey,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: you've established your jab. It is time to throw the
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: right fucking hand, you know. But you're right, it's like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: he did tighten up some stuff, but with the volume
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and power to go along with setting it up with
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the jab. Now that's a pretty damn good combination. But
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: we're not seeing it as much. But with Bacoli, even
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: seeing him warm up and do certain stuff, you know,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: some of those those videos out there hitting the pats,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, like this is really bad,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you know, And ever since he had that one big showing,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: he just it's just it's just bad, man. Yeah, he was.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: What you could see coming that we were right about
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: was because it was only a couple of months ago
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and outside of the ko port just the other part way,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: you don't have to make weight. You could see he
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: was totally out of shape for partner. Now we know
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: that was a couple of days notice, but he was
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: so out of shape that I'm like, you know, he's
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: not going to be in that good as shape two months.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: Later for a job. But because to cut.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: All that weight and get into really good shape, he
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: would be weakened, not short of a time, So I figured,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: how's it going to happen? And he wasn't in good shape.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: So at all, you know, he was not in good shape.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the thing with a guy like a job.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: But that's funny in boxing, like sometimes they'll and you
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: know again when you also Saturday Night, you've seen this
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: with moon Gia frankly, when they try to change a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: guy's style or add something. And I've seen mcgert do
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: this with a lot of guys he works with. You know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: I like McGirt a lot, but this is sometimes where
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: I've seen it. Then the guys have some trouble. It's
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: kind of like what you've seen with the Jaga with Coroma,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: like they they get better at some of these things,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: like maybe being a little more responsible boxing wise. You
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: can see it, but it doesn't really come natural with him,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: and then they can't combine it with their other positive
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: hat like they can't seem to switch back and forth.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: And it could, it would be awesome, but you just don't.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: You don't seem you really don't see it. So that's
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: the job. But to me and and you know, another
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: fight Saturday Night, that's become that's become.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Moia headed down that path and it seems like it's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: a downhill path, you know what I mean?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: He does the same thing. He just too well. We
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: have also, you know you and I when we've talked
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: about these two guys. Funny they both thought Saturday Night,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: but we have compared a Joga and moon Gia. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: problem before and then they both bought Saturday and you know,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: jog Ba I thought should have gotten the win, and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: of course Mungia legitimately won. But you know, I know
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: he got knocked out the first time, and you want
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: to look at that. But this Si race guy despite
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: that first result, no power, no big wins or anything.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mungi is a puncher even up about one
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: sixty eight, he's still got good size, Like you want
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: to see him turn that around and get this guy
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: out of there, right, and you're just getting that like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: the moon Gi as mediocre boxer. I mean, it's just
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: been going on now for years and it's it's Yeah,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: he might have had a shorter career. He takes some
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: more shots, but maybe I always look at it, Maybe
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: you get out when you're younger, ye with your positive attributes,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: but then you don't go on too long.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he's still around, but he just comes back
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: going to beat anybody at a pretty high level with
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that style. No, you're just not because that's not you,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: you know, right, he's not good enough where you are,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Like like let's make up a scenario.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Of course you be a huge underdog anyway, but like
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: even at age thirty eight for Usik, like just in
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: a theoretical matchup, like you know, a job was not
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna out box.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Usik, you know what I mean? Exactly. You know you're
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a mediocre boxer.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Ye hang with some guys, but like that's not gonna
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: take you to the pinnacle.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's a great example because he would make a
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: fool of you, right, yep, exactly. Yeah, yeah, So you
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: know beyond Mougia had some struggles early in the fight.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, uh oh, you know what, he didn't
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: look good early, never looked great obviously, but he did
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: end up, you know, putting a bunch of rounds together
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and and winning the fight. I think I had like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: nine to three or something like that. But you know,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: like you said, it didn't it didn't do much at least,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: and I did I did. I think I had it
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: six to four, maybe seven to three that f A.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I did think FA won won the fight I'm right
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: there with you. I thought he just out you know,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: he just all he just out landed him. He was
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: just better than him.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: But you, like you point out, good, very good point. Look,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: it's hard to land forty your punches in a fun Yeah,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: you lan forty of your punches, you would be expecting
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: to win the fight.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean one ninety. We've
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: been talking about all this damn copy box because we
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: have to because you know how silly it was. But
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: one ninety you didn't even throw five hundred bunches. That's impressive. Actually,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: uh just a matter of you know, uh how you
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: deliver them or whatever. But but yeah, so you know
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: that was competitive fight, but it just but Koley just
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: looked arm punchy. Even those highlights of him training, it
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: was like and and some people said, well he was
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: just you know, before he got knocked out, he was
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: just starting camp. So he's not getting me in great shape. Yeah,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: but you want to come into camp pretty good, you know,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: you know it's you don't lose weight a bunch of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: weight in camp that for the fight week.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: That's when nineteen seventy where you go into camp to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: get in shape. Yeah, right, you come in and somewhere
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: in shape.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Right, It's just like you know, you know spring training
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: or training camp for football. You know, you don't want
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to sit there and you have to they test your
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: weight before you even can qualify for the camp. You know,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: like you want to hit the ground running and then
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: get into game shape, you know, get your legs right
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: and all that. So that that that was always going
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: to be an issue there. And it's kind of like
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: he got Nikola, you have this big win and he
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: messed Aaron Anderson up. No doubt he would look good that.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: I love the way he can punch, and I love
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: the way he changes his punch mid punch. You know,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: he's very accurate in that fight, in in fights before that.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I don't know. But leading up
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: to it, you know, we get to the main event
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: and you know, even i'd say even over Miami, Cubans
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: get more love in Minneapolists, right, but they fight here
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: when they're here, they're good. They're actually pretty fun up
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: here when they're here. And obviously David Mell doesn't you know,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: fit that that mode. And we've actually seen some Cuban
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: fighters now get out of some of that and be
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: more offensive, you know. But so if you're gonna say
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: the Cuban style, that's disrespect to the Cuban style. What
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: he did there, I mean Arisloni Lara. Yeah, he's put
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: up some stinkers. People put up stinkers. But I mean this, like,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: sure we can go we can talk about Canelo too,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: and we will, but like I mean that that the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: amount of movement, like lateral movement is awesome. Hit but
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: don't get hit, but you have to hit, you know,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: not just to not get hit doesn't mean a damn thing.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: And once again, and like I said, he funny enough,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: he almost got to three hundred punches, you know, which
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: is sure didn't feel that way. He landed fifty five.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Alvarez landed fifty six punches, most of them to the body,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: which probably won him to fight John. He he threw
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two punches in a twelve round fight.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And like I said, his opponent didn't do shit either.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: But I mean, really, Canillo, I mean, you gott to
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: chase the guy, but just you know, batter Ram, do
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: the McNeely on Tyson, just rush his ass then do something.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: It was just both I don't know it was bad,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: but obviously you know his opponent was not there to
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: do much at all. You know, he got's make it
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: there to twelve round.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Canelo's volume has been dropping. I mean, yes, precipitously, but
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: in a bad way. I mean like it's yeah, it's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: this is this is just you know, Si wasn't there
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: to do anything. You can't to me, you know, you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: can't give a guy like that rounds, right, that's not
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: that's that's the perfect example. Like is that taking a title?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: I think that does matter. You can't have a sport
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: like that. But but Canelo is rightfully criticized where his
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: volume is just dropping, dropping, dropping, dropping this fight. You
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: know it's glaring, how glaring, how bad it is. He's
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: not hurting people as much. And this is that nonsense
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: of of you. Why you can't go by alphabets to
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: tell you what your definition dispute it is, because look,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: if those alphabet people can't accept that they're wrong with
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: something like this, they're never going to accept it. Because
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: the IDF was telling you, so Skull was a champion,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: Saul was a champion. So on the for the quote
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: alphabet on disputed people John Canello had to fight this guy. Now,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: I agree where some people were waking up this week
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: after the fight saying, look, you know, don't tell us
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: you're you know, this guy didn't want to fight me,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: and that's why it was boring when you could have
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: just fought Ben a Venez.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And look, you can buy a fer
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 7: before the fight. You can laugh all you want, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: I'm with it all the way. And I said that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 7: pre fight months ago. Don't tell me you wouldn't rather
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: see the Jake Paul circus in with Canelo than this.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, whatever you got was going to
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 7: be better than this.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I would have never guessed it was
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: going to be this bad. Right, I know it wasn't
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: going to be good, but I would have never guessed this.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: It's sad, But Jake Paul getting knocked out, Yes, much
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: more entered hting than this.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: And then parlay right into September.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, teller, So Canelo, this does fit with with my
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: criticism of him though at times, even though I've always.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: Liked the guy, you got to respect him in many rights,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: there's just times and it seems like he might not
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: get it. Like there's just times where he makes these
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: moves when he could get to that even higher level
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: of profile in the US to US sensibilities, he makes
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: a strange move and this was one of them. He
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: could have fought.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: Jake Paul, you know, I mean, think of how big
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: that would have been, whatever you think of it. And
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: he makes a U turn on Netflix, on Netflix, and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: he fights this William school guy in Saudi Arabia and
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: fights one of the most boring fights of all time.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: A copy box record for row Punch is thrown. I mean,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: you open the door for Jake Paul to trash talk
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: you and just like you sure knew, I mean, just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: awful and just I mean just terrible, just just just terrible.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: I mean the only plus to me was really I mean,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: the inn away fight was exciting, but you couldn't have
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: expected that with the way the matchup was on paper,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: with the odds. But the other thing, the other thing
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: is on the negative part though, Like like I said
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: at the outset, this is the first time it seems
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: like to me people from all different perspectives are like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: hitting it like no, like like all coming together saying
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: like this is so bad it can't go on like this,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: the sports not viable like this, we can't do this,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: that's right.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if Julia, you know, we didn't
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: need this to tell.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Us that, right, We shouldn't have needed this to tell you.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I think they're and I think they're it's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: a good point, Chris, but you know that you make
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: I think there was a faction because I do see
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: a change.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: I gotta admit it.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Like it seemed there was a I don't know exactly
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: what that percentage would be, but it's yeah, it seemed
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: like that percentage you want to say positive things no
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: matter what garbage is out there, like they got the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: wake up Paul, Like generally, I really am shocked because
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: I can't think of any of them that didn't. I mean,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: like they were all even the ones that oh we
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: got to talk positive, were like this is the worst
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen. We can go on like this,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, Okay, you shouldn't have, like you said,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: it shouldn't have taken this to get it. But at
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: least here we are sitting, you know, on May sixth,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: and majority of her almost all the hardcore boxing commentators, fans, followers,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: as of at least today are getting it like this.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: This is not sustainable.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: We can't do this. Yeah, so anyway starts up really nice.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: U that decisive jab is so heavy and so fast,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and he is one of those guys that you can
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: hit the glove and you can hear it still land.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: So he's doing pretty good. The Bradley piece when he says,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you know, does he have the skill to fight him inside?
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, do you not think anyway has
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: the skill to fight him inside? Like, come on, dude. Now,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: he did make a great point. I don't know if
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: it's just because of who he broadcasts with or whatever
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: it was. You know it was promoted by but he
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: made a great point and had a big rant about
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the last couple of days. And I want to go
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: off of his point in a second. But you know,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: anyway was cruising in that second round jab body work
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: left hook's right hand, and then you did see car
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Danas like have a little success. He was finding some success,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: but he landed that perfect left hand dropped him. But
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: then it was really about you know, maybe the fifth
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: round he stole with a nice left hook late, but
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: other than that he was pretty much all anyway, he
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: really by the fourth I'm looking at my car by
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: the fourth round. And it was actually the third round
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: where I thought maybe he could have stole that round.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: But by the fourth round he was digging in some
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: just crazy shots, really letting his hands go with the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: speed and the power, controlling most of the rounds. But
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Cardenas, he did show hard. He did get
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: hurt several times, and so it was a fun fight,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: but way better than expected. And he was starting to
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: look bad with those left hooks to the body. Started
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: looking like, okay, he might go out, but then he
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: fired back, and you're like, okay, wow, this dude's got
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: his guy's good. And I remember he was in the
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: corner and he was able to switch out and put
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: anyway in the corner and he started going. I was like,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: all right, dude, here we go. And then he was
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: getting hurt. He had gotten knocked down. But I did
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: think it was an early stoppage if you're gonna let
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: that guy go through what he was going through a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: couple of those rounds where the combos are coming and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: he's proven to us he can fire back. At that point,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have stopped it. What'd
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: you think overall? And it was, you know, it didn't
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: say I don't care what anybody said. It didn't save
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: the weekend. You know, it didn't save it, but it
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: was at least you went out with like, hey man,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: all right, that that was a good fight, But what'd
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: you think overall? Well, that's a good.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Point for me to pick it up going in because
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: you know i'd posted on accent. I still stand by it.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: You know, like you had a lot of in a
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: way fans like after we saw that Drek on Friday
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: and Saturday, like oh, it's it's it's up to.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: In a way to save the weekend.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: And I was like, come on, man, the guy's a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: minus five thousand favorite. He was minus one hundred to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: get a KO and he was minus one twenty five
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: for it to be under five and.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: A half rounds. So wow.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So to me, like even though we got what
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: we got, like if he blows the guy out.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: That's not enough.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: And also like people are looking at the you know
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: they're not going to say maybe even look at the odds,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: but the odd show you what kind of fight it is,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: Like you can't really go into it with any expectations,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: even though it's in a way. Now, I was having
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: one friendly debate with a guy I don't know him,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: but I'll give that guy just this one little piece
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: that he raised before the fight. When I was debating
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: him about that, he said, well, you why I think
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: You know, in a way, he is going to go
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: for the KO.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be dancing around looking for a
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: decision and then like implying that, which is true. But
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: you know, look, this is why the guy brings a
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: lot of excitement. One of the many reasons. You know,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: when you go looking for the ko, you are a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: little bit more vulnerable. You don't, you don't necessarily make
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: yourself more vulnerable on the whole, I think, which is
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: underrated because you're not letting the guy hang around. But
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: when you're going for the ko, right, you're you're more
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: at risk of getting hitting things, And that, in fact
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: is what happened.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: I saw another guy on social media pre fight. I'm
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: not buying into this because I always see a lot
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: of this kind of stuff, like trying to pump up
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: like in a way like cardanis is a lot better
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: than you think, Like I don't take that seriously pre fight,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: because there's always those types throwing that out there to
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: try to testify one of their favorites being a minus
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: five thousand favorites and you quote tweet it after the
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah, So that one I didn't take seriously and
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: I still don't, but leading in so that that to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: me was the leader. But I was actually even more
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: impressed with Cardenas, I think than you were, Chris, like,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: because this is and I think even though they wouldn't
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: say it now, I don't think even top rank thought
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: it because when you bring one of these opponents in,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: what makes the difference, And it was the difference here,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: And I frankly don't think it was intentional by top rank,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: but I don't think it was a fluke watching the
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: guy fight because one twenty two you're always not going
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: to get that too when you get into these smaller
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: weight classes. But Cardenas brought power. You know, he didn't
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: have the record of who he fought. He did have
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: a decent KO percentage, but like you know, the left hook,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: but I saw it afterward, like to me, it was
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: like surprising for a one twenty two guy. In A
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: credit to Nuwe for bringing the volume, because Cardenas said
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: a post fight, and I think it was the truth.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: I saw it just a little bit differently, Like I
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: felt right up to the end that whenever car Data
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: was throwing, he was hurting in a way. I mean,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I actually thought his power was having that much effect
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: on him really right up to the end. But what
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: Cardenas said and I saw too, was like, and this
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: is all credit in a way, because he's a power
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: puncher too. In a way, just did a remarkable job
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: of turning up the volume. Yes, Cardenas said. Cardenas said postfight,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: like it was the volume. I just couldn't deal with
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: the volume. And that's like what you saw playing out.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: It didn't get discussed, and I'll stand by it because
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: I felt it despite what the result was.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I thought then after the.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: You know, Cardenius knocked him down, and then in a way,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: with the volume was coming back and I was then
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: checking the live odds and in a way had gone
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: back up to like a minus seven point fifty. Yeah,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: I thought, then I'm like, look this, I put a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: little bit of money on Cardenas at that point, and
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I actually don't regret it. Because I was you know,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: he was like, no, I mean I might have that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: I might have gotten like a plus seven fifty on
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: him at that point or something, because I'm like, he's
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: My thought.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what my thought.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Process was from what I was seeing, was like, when
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: this guy throws, he hurts him every time he throws
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: and lands, and then before the not the wrap, but
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: not right not long before he got stopped. He did
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: have that point where you know, he went hard to
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: the body, he backed in a way against the ropes
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: my failing. I'll still stand by it, despite what the
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: result ended up being. I thought, in a way was
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: ready to go there. I mean, I thought, if he
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: could have, if Cardenas could have just cranked up a
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: little bit more, and again that's credited in a way,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: but I thought, you know, in a way hung in.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: But I thought he was. I thought he was a
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: couple of hard, clean shots from going. I mean, I
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: thought he was in distress. And you know, we we
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: do know something about in a way. Now now he's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: thirty two, he's fighting at higher weight, but you saw
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: it earlier too. It's not easy to do because of
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: the power he brings. It's very difficult. Like you said,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: he's got a good job too. But we could say
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: if because we've seen it when it happens, and it
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: hasn't happened much, but it did happen in this fight
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: at times, definitely not over the whole course of it.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: If in a way gets backed up and you've got
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: some power, you know that that's where you see a
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: little bit of vulnerability.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: Like much and Bradley did talk about that part where
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the ring are going forward coming
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: at him. He's better, but if you do back him up,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: and he did back him up plenty of times. Yeah,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: he was.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: He was doing more than others because and I'll say
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: it because that was years ago, but like you know,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: in a way was younger too, Like I mean, but
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: but don't Air was you know, really old, way way
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: past his prime. I thought that fight, I'll still say it,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: their first fight was a little bit overrated. They gave
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: a fight of the year. I didn't see it as
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: that type of a fight.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well why I'm bringing that up is don't Air
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: did back him up some and I remember thinking during
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: that first fight they had like, man, in a way,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: he's so effective when he doesn't allow himself to get
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: back up, like backed up. You know, why is he
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: letting this guy back him back him up? And then
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: he proved in the rematch he didn't have to let
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: him back him up. He just went right at blew
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: him the hell out of there immediately. So like that's
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: why I'm giving Cardenis a really lot of credit, even
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: though it's against an older in a way four pounds higher.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was backing them up with power. I
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: mean it, you know when he did it, he dropped
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: them once and then like I said, I thought he
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: had him in some trouble later and when he did
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: do it, he was really effective. But you know, apparently
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: it's understandable where the sports at, especially like Cardanis, you know,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: has to work a job.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: You know, he's not.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Training full time, and look when you get into these
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: kind of stamina situations and stuff, that kind of thing
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: makes a difference.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, one guy's train full time, you know, in
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: a way was one of the.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: High actually get the rest. He was one of the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: highest pay of athletes in the world. Yeah last year
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: or so, like that can to in a ways credit
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: that could take away your incentive. But if it doesn't,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of training resources and time, you know,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: when you're one of the highest paid athletes in the world,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: and Cardenis is, you know, a former lyft driver and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: it's got to make a living. Yeah, you just saw
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: that when in a way was able to turn up
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: that volume, you know, and and having that that stamina
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: and with and yeah, and Cardenas just he couldn't stay
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: with that, and that that ended up being the end
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: for him. He just he couldn't stay with it. He
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: just he couldn't at the very end, he just couldn't
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: fire back anything like with that volume in a way
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: was thrown at him.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: And he got into the body too, because you started
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: to see him really protecting his body near the end,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: and to your point, that sixth round midway point anyway,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: was really laying it on him. But he was able
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: to come back and push him back. And even in
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: that round where he got the knockdown and looking at
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: my storecard body shots hurt him. But then and you
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: could see him guarding it. But then you know, Cardenia's
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: left hook to the body and the head short upper cut.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Remember he had him on the rope landing that big
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: upper cut, and sure he got knocked down with a
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: huge right hand, but he did some damage in that round.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: What do you think of the stoppage? Do you think
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a little early myself.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of people said that I got I gotta say,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: though I did not think it was early. He just
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: for me it was. I kept pulling for him to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: do it because he was. It was a very exciting fight,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: one of the best fights of the year. If not yeah, hey,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: I put that with the you know it's this one
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: and Bilatzi and Callum Smith. You know, those are the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: two I like the best this year. But for me,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: I do have to say, and I thought the ref
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: did okay because I thought now in the corner and
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: before that, I thought they were like, we're gonna give
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: you one more round. I thought that was premature. I thought, why,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you got for motivation, Why even put
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: that in his head? Why put his hand to ruin
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: his confidence? But at the time of the stoppage, for me,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: you know, as much as I was pulling for Cardenas
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: to continue the excitement, it went a little the round before,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: but then the round, especially where it got stopped because
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: the round before that, before his corner got him, at
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: least he still threw a couple of bombs back. Oh yeah,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: he didn't, you know, before the stoppage, he just wasn't.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: He just didn't come back with it.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: It is true for me, that was enough then at
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: that point, and you can see he was close to
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: going so you know, I could call it a little early.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: I saw his reaction, but at the end of the day,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: he was I mean, a handful more punches, you know,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: and it may have been over anyway, so or maybe
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: he goes down, gets up and then nothing's coming back,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: like you said, whereas the previous rounds he was firing
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: back and he clearly he wasn't. You are right, he
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: wasn't firing back, and he was just there, just really
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: protect and in a dangerous spot. Is if you're protecting
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: your body, you know, and you're leaving your head that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: wide open, you know. I didn't think it was a
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: horrible stoppage. I thought it was a little early, but
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not But I wouldn't make a big deal about
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: it because if it's just a little early, a couple
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: of combos and knockdown a couple of combos and it's
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: over any so, and he had plenty of time in
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: the round. You know, it was just getting going. Really,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: wasn't that it wasn't late in the round or something.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I could see your point there. I don't
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: think it was a bad stoppage. I guess I was
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: into the fight too, Like, I mean, this dude's going on.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: He already proved it. You know, I was pulling you,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: And I did think the corner.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't like the corner advice in between rounds, even
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: though it's even though it did get stopped the next round,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: I thought, Hey, your guy's firing back with bombs at
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: the end.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: Of the round.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: What are you telling them, I'm going to give you
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: one more round, And you know, like, hey, he's still
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: in this thing. But then when he came out for
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: that next round, he just he just wasn't firing back.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: At all, that's true, and he was getting hit hard.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: Didn't answer getting hit hard.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: But it's another good example of and this is what
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: we don't have enough of because either they can't find
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: the punks, or they don't try hard enough for it,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: or I think a lot of times they think it's
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: too much risk. But like see even at one twenty
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: two you saw here where Cardenas turn out to have
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: that power. Like when you have two guys with pop,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: you you have the potential for a dramatic matchup, yes,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: because it can be seesaw, both guys can hurt the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: other guy. It's there's a lot of bad match making
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: out there. I mean, you know, that's the thing. Like
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: you take these guys with low KO percentages and you
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: put them in main events, and some of them are
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: mediocre boxers. They're not master boxes or anything, right, right,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: even that entertaining. I mean, like you know, it's just
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: not it's not good match making. It's just not good
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: match making or working hard enough to you know, get
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: an opponent or whatever. But this I really don't think
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: they intended.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: But but this guy ended up having real pop Cardenas
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: and that made the difference. I think that's what. You
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: know that in a way, I'll give credit for being aggressive,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: but the fact that the opponent brought pop. A perfect
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: example would be the fight before that when Espinosa was
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: in a with the guy who.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: Had four K.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: You know, that's just that doesn't do anything for me.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: There's no drama for me there, I know how this
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: is going to end, and the the guys the B
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: side is not coming back with any pop. That's too
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: much of what we get the main event. The difference
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: in the equation for me as good as in a
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: way is is that that the but that that the
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: opponent turned out to have real pop because I think
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: I saw enough out of Cardenas here. I don't think
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: it was a one shot deal or a fluke shot.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: I've talked about those. I don't think that was with him.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: Like, I want to see the guy more because I
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: think the.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Guy's got pop, so you know, I really do.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: I want to see him again, and I want to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: see him as a full time boxer too, exactly, because
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: that's the thing. You can go hard in the gym,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: but then you need to rest. You don't need to
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: clock in at work. You know, it doesn't matter what
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: you're doing. You could be doing the most quote unquote
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: simple job or whatever, or not physical job. It's still
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: it's mental capacity that you are using. And you know,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: so yeah, a lot of people said that to you, like, hey, man,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: like I want to watch this guy fight. Man, this
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: guy he brot it and it's not easy to do that,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: so great showing there, and like I said, it was
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: nice to end on that note, but it didn't save
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: the weekend.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Didn't save the weekend. Now that that was that was overrated,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: but it was definitely a fighter to year candidate. Yes,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: you know, we're not some people were saying, and it could,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: but this remains to be seen, like because car Cardenis
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: was Let's face it, he's basically an unknown what more
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: than every thought. But now in a way completely his defense.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's thirty two for one hundred and twenty
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: two pound er. That is old for that weight. So
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: you know, some people are trying to say, well, this
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: show's is greatness. I mean I don't, you know, yeah,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: I guess in a way like if you want to
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: compare it to like Larry Holmes getting knocked down by
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Rinaldo Snipes and then getting back and ko and them
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: and preserving the Cooney fight, or a Sugar Ray Leonard
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: who did retire after this before coming back of course,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: most famous against dropped by Kevin Howard and then came
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: out and stopped him. I mean, you can maybe make
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: that argument, but we don't.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: We got to you know this is one you almost
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: got to see, like what, let maybe we see what
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: Cardenis does after this and what in a way does
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: because you know it might not.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Be able to say next.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Potentially it might not be like Larry Holmes like I
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: don't I think he can take Jay. But like if
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: he was in with Knakatani, you know that he might
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: get dropped and not get up or something I mean,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: or get ko.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: And you could tell it wasn't different getting dropped to
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: your point of the power really having an effect, because
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: he did stay down this time and look at him
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: and it was smart. It shows you as IQ, but
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: he did stay down for a while to make sure
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: he was okay instead of springing right up, which we
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: see from time to time people make mistakes like that.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: And so I thought, on one hand, it shows you
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: his ring, IQ, but on the other it shows he
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: was hurt. You know. It wasn't a flash. Knockdown, Yeah, knockdown,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a flash. It was different than an area
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: I thought. So, yeah, they got to make that knocka
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Sani fight here soon because you know, like you said,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: he is getting a little older, you know, and at
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: those weight classes, you know God, I hope they make
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: that fight. Yeah, I don't. I mean personally, like I
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: don't care about this MGA fight.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, you know, maybe in a way
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: he's getting old enough if there's an upset or something,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: but I don't care about it. You know, make the
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: Knakatani fight or or have him just and do it
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: in Japan too, you know. Our here's again. I keep
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: saying stuff like this, but it really would be good, like,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: you know, while top ranks still got what's left of
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: the deal or something. I mean, you probably don't have
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: the time now, but theoretical, like, hey, you know, Leo,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think I have to go buy alphabet belt.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: But he's a top rank featherweight. He's got an alphabet belt. Now,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: you've been in some action fights and for in a
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: way the appeal despite what he did with Lopez, normally,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: Leo is not a big puncher, so like you know, like, hey,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: you know, that would be exciting to see him trying
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: to move up the featherweight and do that again.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: I'd rather see that.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Than the MJ thing. I mean, I don't, I don't
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: get the I just don't.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. I just don't.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: I don't really get it. It's using the one twenty
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: two alphabet thing, you know, undisputed whatever. But there's other
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: better opponents out.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Right. That's stuff lineal, So what's the difference. I mean,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you got Knakatani. The right move up to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: featherweight would be exciting. You know this too, you know, I.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: Mean to me, you know Espinosa is so tall that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't fit, right, Yeah, I mean really, I just somebody's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: used to do have styles like I'll even give in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: a way that I mean, I'm not I wouldn't do that,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: but you know, you got layo would be easy to
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: you know, that would be easy to make, and it
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: would probably be entertaining.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking a guy, that might be possible of pushing
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: somebody back, you know, right right, So he does.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: That, you know, and then he's talking ball like I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: I don't really want ball that much either, I mean,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: because balls, even though he's at feather one twenty six,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: he's very small for the weight, right, not as intriguing
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: to me, like, you know, so he's talking MJ.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Ball, he's not talking Na Katani.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: The LEO would be good. I think, I just don't
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: I don't like the guy there. There have been other
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: times in his career, and there's people who follow the
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: history of it more who who are aware of this.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: You know that that he's missed some people, you know,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: as good as he is, yeah, I mean he's great.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: You know, he's kind of missed some people along the
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: way that he could have could have taken on a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: different spot. So before he's done, I don't want to
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: see that with like Knakatani or maybe really fighting a
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: good featherweight challenge, you know, if you can't get a
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: lineal set up at featherweight.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know his first fight was July twenty
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: twenty three at one twenty two, came up and you know,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: find a damn good fighter and and then you know
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: he's spot okay fight since then, not many good fights
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: that we're being honest. So it's like, why even jump
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: up the featherweight when you have Knakatani and Nakatani has
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: to come up to your weight. You've been there for
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: a while now, so just I don't know, like they
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: told us last year, John that this was gonna be
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: the co feature fight and then the next one was
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: gonna be them Now they they talked at that some
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: sort of sangsung belt thing. I think it was. I
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: don't even remember. Maybe it was the ring Awars, I
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: don't know, but they were up there saying, hey, we're
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: gonna fight next year, and it's like, okay, but you know,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: you better fight Nakatani quickly.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: I mean they almost Look, it wasn't talked about enough.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: I mean they almost lost that opportunity someday night. Yeah,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was close. I mean, yeah,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: mar Danas had him in trouble, you know, to me
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: on a couple occasions, and they could have lost it
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: right there, So you know, why not learn And then
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: they're they're talking about the MJ thing. They're not talking
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: about Knakatani next or even the fight after MJ.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: It's it's just a shame. Yeah, So that that about
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: wraps it up for the weekend. We had a lot
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: of fights, but yeah, it's we came in there not
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: really pumped about the weekend, and I don't think either
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: of us could have thought it would have been that bad.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: No, not that bad.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: There's no way you could foresee that, you know.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Now, that's what we're say in the law right. That
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: was unforseeable.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: I mean that I can't believe they have three now
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: in the top five or whatever of just shitty copy box.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Like it's just it's like, even if you tried to
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: do hey, this is our goal, you couldn't. You couldn't
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: do it right, You couldn't be couldn't write, you could
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: never write that script.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: No, you couldn't do it if you wanted to.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, even if you really tried. And imagine the
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: money that was burned over the weekend too, and that's
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: that's what we got. Like, oh boy, So this weekend
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: is filled, you know with fights because we're it's a
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: busy fight schedule almost every weekend, but not that many
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: that stand out. Obviously, we do have Lubin. You'd like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: to see him beat Homes and then get to a
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: big fight because Lubin is still you know there, He's
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: got a fight on pro Box pro Box as a card.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, they can be pretty good matchmaking. They've done
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: a pretty good job with that. Okay, yep, Martinez in Ioka,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: it's a rematch. But I will say I'm pretty surprised
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: that the odds are that close. And really, now that
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I look at the rest they're more like plus two fifty.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: But I saw a FanDuel plus one ninety six and
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: watching that, I just I don't know. I think Martine
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: is gonna, you know, win the fight, but whatever.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: I is too old now, yeah, and for that weight,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: you know, for that weight.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we and we we saw it so and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: he handled it pretty good. So it's kind of like
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: whatever we do have Raymond Martaya. He's a guy that
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: we we we were looking for him to do something.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of a guy that has shown Let's get him
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: a big fight. And then it's almost like things get
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: stale if you don't get him to that fight, you know, yeah,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: almost that's exactly what happens, it seems. And then we
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: have uh, you know, Leewood and Anthony uh Kokochi, which
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: probably will just be a good ass brawl, you know.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I'm that's actually the fight I'm looking forward. I still
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: think Lubin can make some noise, so I gotta admit,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: as a boxing fan, I'd love to see him win
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: because I think he's game. Still. He's had a lot
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: of time off now though, so I am wondering how
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: he's gonna look in that Probeck's main event, But yeah,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: any any any other items that you'd like to talk about.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Obviously Canelo and Bud. It is now official that Dana
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: White is gonna be you know, we knew that he
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: was gonna but we don't know. They haven't an They
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: said that the TV thing is going to be announce soon.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: So I really hope it's Netflix because yeah.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: That really bothered me because Coppens when he first went
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: over to their ring, so you would believe it just
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: as like that he's promoting for him for Perky Alachic
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: said it's gonna be on Netflix. Then when I see
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: that after the Canelo fight Saturday night that TV to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: be announced, I was like, you got to be kidding me?
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you?
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna tell me it's a his own pay
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: per view now?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Like right?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: It? I mean, because you know the thing about Canelo Crawford,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe I'm not saying you do. I'm
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: not saying I'm going to predict it, and frankly, I
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: don't think I will be. But like if you had
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: a shocking ups that might be one thing, but like
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: there's not really I don't really see any scenario like
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: like where it's a good fight like, you know, even
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: if Crawford, it probably can't be a good fight, right like,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: because that would mean Canello's volume is just in the toilet,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: right growing, and that somehow he's unable to land a
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: big shot on Crawford, and Crawford is just doing enough
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: because you know, Crawford wasn't even as good as he's
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: been in the past and his last fight, so and
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: now he's fighting even higher weight and he you know,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: he's guys in his late thirties at this point, and
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: Cano's in his mid thirties. Like, I don't really see
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: scenarios where it's a good fight, so it's more like
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: an event. I mean, I'm not really against the event,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: right It's like, but it's like an event. So, like,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: you know, and I don't think it sells on I'll
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: go that far. I just I don't think it sells
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: particularly well on his own pay per view. Even with
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: Canelo Bob Crawford it would do okay maybe, but you know,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: but I don't think it's like a huge seller. You
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: need the Netflix angle or something like that. Just it's
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: an event. The bad part for boxing will be, like
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't really see scenarios where it's a
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: good fight, but you know, maybe, you know, maybe Canelo
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: gets an editor with the power and you just have
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: a knockout, right, And then I.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Think the way he fought against Postal Year all those
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: years ago, when you know, he lost the first round
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Crawford and then he just boxed the rest of the way.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I think watching that fight, he's gonna move
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: because he's like, well, shit, Canel can't catch me, you know,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: but he has to too, Like if you're gonna take
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: on that fight, you're gonna have to stick.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: And move, yes, because that's the one thing about that fight. Like,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: even at this stage, That's what I've been thinking about
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: more in recent days. As bad as Canelo was Saturday night,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: it's probably even at this point a situation where if
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: Canelo really catches him, he's gonna take him out. So
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm not saying that's a certainty, but
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that. But I'm thinking, when I start
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: to really analyze this fight a little bit, it's like
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: Crawford can't Crawford can't get hit solid much. I mean,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: he's probably gonna get taken out if that happens. So
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: that fits with what you're saying, you.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Think it'd be like the Charlo fight where it's just
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: like you just making it to the twelve rounds because
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: after a while, Charlo, even Charlo, the guy who had
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: all this power iner and all that, he went up
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: two way classes and he just is like this is tough,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: you know, and the Charlo's take a real good sho
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: to So, like, you know, that's what I'm thinking.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying Crawford doesn't, but like he's coming
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: up from lightweight.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't didn't look great in his last fight.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: Now I don't think like that's where I don't think
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: he could even do what Charlo did there. You know,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: I think if Crawford starts getting caught, he's he's gonna go.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that in this fight. I'm
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: not I'm not saying I've decided that's gonna happen, but
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: especially Canello's volume down, but yeah, like this could be
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: a fight where Canelo might be able to get away
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: with which and he might need it. He might be
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: able to get away with that looking for one shot
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: thing that he was doing in the Billie Joe Sanders
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Caleb Ye times and then kind of kind of couldn't
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: do it to Bivol, But like, I think he might
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: be able to get back to that a little bit
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: in this one. Like you know, he could maybe drop
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: a few rounds and and catch Crawford with something big
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: out of there. You know, we'll see as it gets closer.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: But not seeing the Netflix a certainty, that was a
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: huge disappointment because I like the event. But you know,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons I like the event was thinking, oh,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: you're gonna put it on Netflix. But you know, I
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: have some belief in Dana White with some things, but
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: even I'm gonna say to think with where the sport
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: at boxing is right now, even with within the sport
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: names as big as Canelo and Crawford, that like he's
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: just gonna step in and and and be some kind
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: of miraculous promoter for this, right, I don't see it,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: you know, if he wants to develop something new like
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 3: we talked about, yeah maybe maybe, maybe it's gonna take
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: a little time, but you know, just just coming on this,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't see what he's gonna do unique
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: to this that's gonna make a big difference.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: It is the thing he has it's a mouth it's
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: a it's it's a mouthpiece that could go on pretty
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: much any show. Right. So that's there's that there is
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: this ship and certain business arrangements that he's tied to
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: and that the UFC s tie do that does have
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: a it's a big freaking umbrella. But will that transfer
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: over and we've seen I mean that's what people don't
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: understand that they're not paying attention that we've seen multiple
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: Canelo papers now on his own they just don't sell.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: You know, well, you make it. You make a good
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: point to put the PBC and they do sell. So
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: like I know, it can sell. But you're right, if
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: it's his own pay per view, it's gonna limit it.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: It's going to limit it now.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: But you make a good point because I was saying
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: a little bit. I was focusing on it more with
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: the other stuff Dana White was going to do. But
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: you make a good point. It applies to this just
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: reminded me, and you're right.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: I get.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: The one thing Dana White can do right now is
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: he has the political connections and the other business connections
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: that you're.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Right, Boxing has been in.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Can you know right, Boxing's been missing a front person
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: like that for this fight alone, he could do that.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, you know we're not fans
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: of his, but you gotta look at the realities, right,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: he could get Donald Trump at the fight. I mean good,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: I mean he could literally if he wants to do that, Yeah,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: he could do it. I mean he could, Like you said,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: he can be on Rogan talking to all those get
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: the word out and boxing does need that, so you
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 3: know that's true. I mean Dana White himself, he can
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: do some things differently there, that is true. I just like,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: but like you said, and I agree, even with all
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: Dana White can do if it's.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: A his own pay per view, I don't think that's
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: necessarily going to do. It's just limited. We can been
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: over and over again, you know, right even when you
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: and by the time it got there the Glufkin, Glufkin
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: was way past it then, but it's still like really
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: under chief, you know paper. So you're just like, I
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: didn't expect it to go over a million. Again, No
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't, But I don't know. I just I guess
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: it's like you know, the Jake Paul thing. People thought
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: that was a joke. Now they see what happened in
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: the middle of the ring on Saturday. That was a joke,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: and that's our whole point. We weren't selling it like
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: it's a great fight, but he was gonna knock his
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: ass out on Netflix in front of tens of millions
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: of people, right, even if it's just ten and it
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't do what they did. Who cares, right, right, And
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna turn right back around and fight a
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: guy who's undefeated, who you know, a couple of years ago,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: finally got his day in the sun and did it
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: in a dramatic fashion. He really terrorized Spens that night.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: And so he is a great b side for Cadelo.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: He just is. And it does make it an event.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: So but you can only turn that around. And we
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: did give credit when we heard about Netflix and Crawford
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: was asked and he's like, I don't know, we'll see
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: you know, So I hope that's just him saying he
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: can't say it on the just owned thing. I don't know,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just hope it's on Netflix, man. Yeah.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I mean if you're Amazon or you know whatever, it
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Netflix. Yeah.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: The one positive is is, yeah, the point you made.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: If you take if you take Dana Way and the
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: connections he can bring where he's at right now with
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: this political climate, and you put it on Netflix, the event,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: the event can do well.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: You got Canelo, who's known. You got an undefeated fighter,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: which people love the shiny record, right, Oh no, I
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: have seen that Crawford or you start to google Crawford,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, oh shit, this dude about it,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: you know so, and then maybe even some of the
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: casuals kind of no a spense like oh yes that,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: oh that's right. I didn't see that fight, but man,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: he terrorized HI when I saw that, you know, so,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: like it has potential and it is an event, but
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and you got Warren Buffett's a Crawford fan.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, he just retire, but they
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: could bring him in, you know, like, hey, you know,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: come on, Warren, Warren Buffet's one of the most famous people.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: Hey man, he played right, didn't he just right? Yeah?
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: I meanash that. He's like, no, we're taking that right
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: out right, you know, my slashing my ship. I don't
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: want to see this. It was time, right, he played
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: that right, man. He's like one of the only people
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: that played that, right. But that's not a surprise, right
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: because he's got a track record of that, right. I
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: love the thing of how he did the day or
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  Speaker 1: the last day, that he doesn't splurge at McDonald's in
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: the breakfast, you know, like he still goes off of
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  Speaker 1: how he did the other day and I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to splurge.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like, Wow, that dude, he's just sound. Man.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a lot of good stuff out there, living
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: in the same house he's living in forever. Like, It's
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: just it's a great thing. Actually, we need more billionaires
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  Speaker 1: like that, Dan, We do, we do, We really do
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  Speaker 1: like that. That's a respectable billionaire right there. Man. I
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: respect a lot about that guy. You gotta do what
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: you gotta do business. I get that. However, you know
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  Speaker 1: there's a way to do it. I respect him. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: big time. So yeah, I appreciate you stopping by. Obviously
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: a long winded recap. What do you think of Eric's
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: and Lubin Do you think he's got some fights left
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: at fifty four or now? He's been out of the
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  Speaker 1: ring for a while and and maybe he's gonna be
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: spoiled goods.
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  Speaker 3: Even though he survived. You know, Ramos Lubin's chin always
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  Speaker 3: worries me. I just don't don't feel like, don't feel
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: like he takes that good of a shot. And I've
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: always felt like that he's always going to have that vulnerability.
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  Speaker 3: So I always feel.
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  Speaker 1: Like he got a couple of fights in him at
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: fifty four. That'll be fun to watch and maybe he'll
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  Speaker 1: win one. He's good offense, you know, he's got good offense.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've always I've always liked his offensive package,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, I've just always felt like kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of vulnerable with the chin, right right, all right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you stopping by. It's it's timberabol off time
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  Speaker 1: for me. So I'm gonna go watch it, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Chris, good luck, good luck with that one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, man, you take it easy, all right. Good
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: good talk with you guys always, Yes, sir, I have
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: a good one, you two, all right? So kind of
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: wrapping this stuff up, Yeah, I'm really hoping that Canelo
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: Crawford thing. They just couldn't announce it like it was
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: in part of the deal. They couldn't announce it on
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: his own. You know, I really hope that's the case.
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  Speaker 6: Uh what I.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: Mean, Rolie's got options all of a sudden, doesn't he.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: I do think Uh the Kakochi Kokachi, I think he's
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: gonna beat Lee Would but that's gonna be a brawl
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to. I think it's a pretty good fight,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: uh card in general entertainment and whatnot. I think Martaya
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  Speaker 1: will beat Abdullah, but that's a good You know, there's
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: good fights this weekend. I mean, I bet you they're
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot better than what we just saw.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: Aj did get elbow surgery. Sounds like he's gonna be
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: out six to eight weeks, but that probably means he
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: wants to fight again, but obviously it gets delayed. So
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: and I I am, yeah, I don't know. Maybe Would
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: could pull it off, but I'll go with Andy Kakachi.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll stop him, but that's what
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going with. But yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed the show.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: It was a weird one this weekend. Man, Thank god
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  Speaker 1: we got that last fight though, one of the better
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: fights of the year. John was saying it's right there
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: with this fight of the year, if not the fight
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: of the year and I don't think it's the fight
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: of the year, but I think it's pretty damn close.
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  Speaker 1: And anybody making an argument with it, I can't sit
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: there and you know, make a big stink out of it,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. But it was a hell of a fight.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it up here.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: Let's really hope the Netflix thing right, because that would
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: make it huge, especially if they hooked up the undercard.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I want to talk about Tim Brawdley
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: when he said, you know, these guys are getting overpaid
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: and you're starting to see it. We always talked about
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: how when the PBC came, well, first of all, if
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: you back it up, HBO overpaid for boxing to help
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: out their network back in the day. That's just what happened, right,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: and you could see, you know, even though now you
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: look back at it and it's kind of funny, but
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: you know, when the PBC came, some of their fighters,
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: many of their fighters were making good ass money and
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: it did disrupt, you know, the market was you know,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: messed up a little bit for HBO and their budget,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: you know, because they were usually the big dog in
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: town and they'd have the most money and all that,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: and then the Zone came and whether it was Zone
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: just in general Eddie, you know, the combination all that,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: because it was Golden Boy at the start with Canelo
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: there to guarantee him the money they guaranteed him, but
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: without a pay per view arm that was kind of
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: crazy obviously, and and overall, but they now so that
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: was but it was a huge jump. Like I said,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: you saw reporters boxing reporters, you know, ripping Thurman Garcia
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: because they both made a reported million dollars, you know,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: which was just ridiculous to even make a huge point
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: about it. But then they went way over the top
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: with it to Zone and now Sadi's even gotten further
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: over the top, and so is Bradley right where they're
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: just now they're so comfortably they got a three fight
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: deal and they're getting way overpaid that they just want
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: to get to the next fight. You know, is there
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: an argument to be had that they're just getting overpaid
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: and and it's just making them Like Bacoli had that
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 1: great thing and he's like, ah, I'm done. You know,
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think there is something to it.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: I do think there's something to it. Obviously, and you're not.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's not something where you're guarantee. You're getting a guarantee
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: because of what you you know, like what you generate.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: You know, when Canelo gets guaranteed from PBC, it's what
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: he generates. They make money on those fights, and that's
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: cool once again to say, well because for a while,
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: you know, the PBC, they had too many cards and
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: too many networks in the air. It was hard to
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: keep track of sure, but you know, it wasn't pay
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: per view until they got the Fox deal, and that
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: still was only for a year. Now it's in a
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: different spot, obviously, but there was a whole lot of
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: basic cable free TV fights and so they parlayed it
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: into a deal. Now, the Fox deal didn't turn out
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: how they wanted to ultimately. Obviously the budget dropped after
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: COVID and whatever. All that's right, you can you can
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: talk about that. Not many people talk about that, but overall,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: to just basically be all pay per views besides one
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: so far, it just doesn't make any sense if you're
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: gonna lose that much money anyway, and then if you
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: are going to do the pay per views, like we
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: said so many times, like dude, then at least make
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: them like you did that one in La last year,
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: where you could buy it on Amazon, you could buy
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: it on his own, you can buy it on ESPN Plus.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: And the Sadi's are bought in what is it, ten
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: percent into the zone, so maybe that'll help them, you know,
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: in a couple of countries with football soccer, right, But
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: other than that and obviously the zone, they're having their
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: own issues as far as do they want to keep
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: certain deals and dipping out of deals and stuff like that.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: So it's not a personal thing. I you know, I've
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: subscribed to his zone just second it came over here
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: and it was available, so I was a long time subscriber,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: and even going to the app and not being you
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: you have this what many people were calling a bargain
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: to buy the Friday and Saturday and just pay ninety bucks. Okay,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: but I couldn't even do it on my app if
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: I wanted to. So it's like, okay, so now, and
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: I thought I thought it'd just be there, so I
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: didn't have much time, and it was just like I'm
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: gonna do this real quick. Well, I bought the Friday Night.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: One of my buddy who's a huge Canola find. I
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: was a Canelo fan. I wasn't gonna buy that main event.
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: There's some fights like I didn't buy the Berlina I
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: didn't buy. You know, plenty of fights I've bought from Canelo.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: But you know, I didn't buy the job as fight
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: because I knew what I knew. It was the infomercial.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: But with Canelo, you can gotta you can get away
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: with it because you know you he's he does have
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: casual fan so someone's gonna watch it, right, So that's all.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: That's all I did. So I did by the Friday
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: night one, and it was it was trash. Besides te Femo,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: it was it was trash. So I don't know, man,
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: it was a crazy It was just a weird weekend dude.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: But shouts out to the main event with top rank
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: you know, anyway, get the stoppage and no, no, anyways,
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: not chinny, because it's all chenny is how you recruit, recoup.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: Excuse me. You can say, uh, I just think that
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: he's not chinny. You know that's not the definition of chinny.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: Chinny is when you get touched and you're we will
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: and wobbling all over the place. He clearly had his
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: wits about him to stay down for a little bit longer,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: make sure he recovered, and sure enough he recovered. Anyway,
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here, enjoy the fights this weekend.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: Like I said, there's nothing that just especially on the
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: US side, that that blows your way. I think that
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: UK is really solid, but there's some fights out there.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: It's going to be action. We'll talk about it next week. Peace,