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#517 - The Cool Kids Talk New Music, AI, Mac Miller, Their Legacy, Blog Era & the Shift in the Culture · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 2: Special guests here there in l A. They got to
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Speaker 2: sold out show tonight with Pat Devuh the Cool Kids?
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Speaker 3: What what Chuck English? Yeah, very very influential, legendary fellas Man.
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Speaker 3: New album dropped this year. Uh what what was it
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Speaker 3: about the timing right now? Where you guys are like, yo,
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Speaker 3: let's let's get in. Let's kind of bring back this
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Speaker 3: classic cool Kids flavor.
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Speaker 4: Well, right after COVID, we did what we thought was
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Speaker 4: like our coldest album. It was called Before She Got Weird,
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Speaker 4: and then she got Weird. We didn't really get to
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Speaker 4: tour that one. I don't think people.
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Speaker 2: Was outside still she got weirder after that. So in that,
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Speaker 2: in that.
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Speaker 4: Circumforts of what we were doing gave it's an opportunity
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Speaker 4: to kind of see where the world was, because, you know,
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Speaker 4: unless you got your algorithm tuned to us, there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of people that didn't know that we were still working.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how the internet work like that, you
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Speaker 4: got all the information in the.
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Speaker 2: World and it don't. Don't you like it's weird because
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Speaker 2: it's like it's unless the algorithm is feeding it to you.
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Speaker 2: It's like you really damn you.
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Speaker 5: Can miss It's it's harder to find now than it
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Speaker 5: was when you had to search for it. It's like
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Speaker 5: if you don't have it on your algorithm, you know, uh,
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Speaker 5: day by day you gotta go dig for the ship
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Speaker 5: and you might not even find it.
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Speaker 4: Now, it might not even find it's people that didn't
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Speaker 4: even know that's close to me. And then you know,
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Speaker 4: we had a show here and then looked up and
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Speaker 4: sold out. So it's like, to answer your question is
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Speaker 4: like I knew things was starting to like pick back
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Speaker 4: up and people want to pick and choose from what
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Speaker 4: they like now instead of everything being the mainstream or
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Speaker 4: you know, what's on rap caviar and all that. So
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Speaker 4: it's kind of like stay low key for and then uh,
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Speaker 4: with this particular one, you know the relationship we got
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Speaker 4: with a track and Fools Gold.
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Speaker 2: In New York.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we went down to Houston did a whole
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Speaker 4: album with Manny Fresh, but just like you know, thinking quick,
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Speaker 4: I was like, can't raw dog and Manny Fresh album, Like,
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Speaker 4: let's let's build this back up, build this back out,
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Speaker 4: you know, Like, I know, people have the ideas of
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Speaker 4: the error we brought in and you know what came
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Speaker 4: with that. But you know we've grown now and we
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Speaker 4: got a sharper sword. So it was more about like,
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Speaker 4: let's not listen to what people have told us who
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Speaker 4: we are.
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Speaker 6: Let's just try something new. Let's just start from here and.
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Speaker 4: See what we get. And it worked, you know, like
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Speaker 4: we got two more shows left, and when we left
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Speaker 4: the crib, we was like, man, we don't know, we
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Speaker 4: don't know if we don't know what people want, you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean? You go outside and you realize
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Speaker 4: that outside and the internet is not the same thing,
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Speaker 4: not at all. You know, majority of the fans we
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Speaker 4: just met and the people that's been with us the
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Speaker 4: whole time.
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Speaker 6: And not on the internet like that, right, you know
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Speaker 6: what I mean.
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Speaker 4: Some dude brought his son to the Detroit show with
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Speaker 4: a black mag HADMI signed his son fourteen. He's like, man,
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Speaker 4: he's been listening to y'all since he was born. So
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Speaker 4: you don't see those people unless you go outside. And
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Speaker 4: it seems like from our investigation, were more outside group
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Speaker 4: it's not really things we could.
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Speaker 2: Do on the Internet. We're not Internet.
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Speaker 4: You know, I don't overshare even though we you know,
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Speaker 4: we got our personalities were funny.
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Speaker 2: He's had a streaming show.
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Speaker 4: You know, I've pitched, uh, you know, cooking content, all
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Speaker 4: this different stuff we do.
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Speaker 6: But it's like that rat race isn't as fun as this.
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Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting because because you guys, I kind of
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Speaker 2: think of you guys. I saw I pulled up the
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Speaker 2: Black Mags video and it really aged me because it's
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Speaker 2: been eighteen years, very real and uh, I got a
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Speaker 2: twenty year old but that was like damn near like
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Speaker 2: right at the genesis of the blog area, if not before.
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Speaker 6: It was way before. It was before.
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Speaker 5: So you know, there's been like there's been a couple
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Speaker 5: iterations of the Internet as what we know it now.
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like because you you had
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Speaker 6: a crazy.
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Speaker 2: Run oh yeah, blogs like.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's been it's been a couple of internets
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Speaker 5: that you know, we've lived through, you know, all of
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Speaker 5: us in all room collectively. The one that we're in
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Speaker 5: now currently, Yeah, this one is it's a newer it's
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Speaker 5: a newer Internet is based heavily on you know, algorithms
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Speaker 5: and curating things and timelines and all of that.
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Speaker 7: Right, But there's an Internet before that that.
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Speaker 5: Was sharing, you know, links, sampling, sharing, music sharing, share,
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Speaker 5: download mixtapes, dat PIFs and all of the.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, extractors, all of the mixtape uh.
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Speaker 2: R, the.
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Speaker 7: And all that, you know what I mean. So that
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Speaker 7: was another internetssage boards, Yeah, you feel me. That was
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Speaker 7: a whole other Internet.
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Speaker 5: And you know, now we're living through another one, and
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Speaker 5: we'll see how long this one goes on for.
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Speaker 4: You know, no I said that to uh, It's like
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Speaker 4: it got kind of sinister. I think the big business
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Speaker 4: saw that we was out here. We were dropping projects
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Speaker 4: and albums and singles with real creative videos, well thought
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Speaker 4: out artwork, and you know the groups that kind of
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Speaker 4: traveled in here with us. You were able to tour
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Speaker 4: and like show up to a city and really do it.
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Speaker 4: And you know, I ain't no conspiracy theorist, but I
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Speaker 4: do believe that you can't really just what big business
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Speaker 4: ass like that without them coming back with a bigger switch.
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Speaker 2: So I feel like.
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Speaker 4: Once they condensed things down, it's like when you listen
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Speaker 4: to that blog air podcast, the real did.
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Speaker 2: And they start speaking.
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Speaker 4: They get to that part of the end where it's
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Speaker 4: like everybody started selling out for big ads, and then
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Speaker 4: you know, you can really pinpoint when it happened. It
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Speaker 4: was a deep shift, probably between late twenty fourteen twenty
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Speaker 4: sixteen when it was labels Verse streaming and then out
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Speaker 4: of nowhere, everybody's like, no, it's just streaming, and you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's like they must have had
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Speaker 4: a sit down meeting and a lot of bags was
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Speaker 4: changed hands because the attitude changed. Now it's playlists, but
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Speaker 4: they already had the playlists sewed up, like the real
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Speaker 4: estate was already bought, so you couldn't creep in like
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Speaker 4: you could no more. It couldn't be like damn, I
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Speaker 4: found this on this site and I like them, you
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Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like it's almost like when I
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Speaker 4: found Gunning and Conway with with the with the Nash,
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Speaker 4: you know, with the Wrestling Project. I found that off
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Speaker 4: Yam's website, you know, like he had a real nigga
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Speaker 4: tumbler dot com. That was where hell of Ship was coming,
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Speaker 4: and it was cool to do it, you know, like
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Speaker 4: you had your you didn't have your music on your phone,
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Speaker 4: you had an iPod or you had your laptop or
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Speaker 4: the iPod. I was looking when they killed the iPod.
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Speaker 4: They killed it for a minutes because the iPod. I
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Speaker 4: remember how like someone stole my iPod from my car
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Speaker 4: Valley Driver in Vegas, bro, and I tell you I
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Speaker 4: had that motherfucker was a five twelve hacked up you.
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Speaker 2: Know, heartbreak. I've been looking. iPods are going for like
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Speaker 2: serious money, right yeah, man.
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Speaker 6: Everything is taped.
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Speaker 4: Like we did a package and shout out to the
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Speaker 4: Hammies from lambs uh in New York. But we did
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Speaker 4: a We did a deluxe package for the album where
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Speaker 4: it was a deluxe in your hand. It wasn't like
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Speaker 4: we're just telling you it's a deluxe, what like two
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Speaker 4: extra songs on right right right. We had it in
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Speaker 4: a in a box with seven inch picture disc, the vinyl,
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Speaker 4: the CD, two T shirts, and then we gave you
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Speaker 4: a CD player with headphones that worked, which is crazy
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Speaker 4: for one hundred and fifty dollars, that's amazing. But that's
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Speaker 4: it flew off the shelf, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: Because people want to hold things in their hand. It's
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Speaker 4: burnt out right now.
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Speaker 2: It's funny because we're talking about kind of like a
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Speaker 2: playlist real estate being taken up. You know, I always
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Speaker 2: say this, like the blog era had gatekeepers, but they
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Speaker 2: had good taste. Taste that was the point of it.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 2: It's like shake or boys posted some ship. I'd be like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I know, I'll probably enjoy it. Or I also knew
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Speaker 2: like I could send them ship from like my hometown,
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Speaker 2: and if they fucked with it, they just posted. It
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Speaker 2: didn't matter if there was not a follower.
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Speaker 6: Thing like it.
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Speaker 2: How many monthly listeners they got, because if I would see,
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Speaker 2: there's so many metrics.
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Speaker 6: Now you see how they did that.
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Speaker 4: They started they started shifting in like how many followers
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Speaker 4: you got? How many monthly listeners? You know, you got
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Speaker 4: crazy knowing that if you know anything about tech, like
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Speaker 4: how we do I went to school with coders and
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Speaker 4: people that hacking all that shit. Once you start realizing
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Speaker 4: that that number that you see is about as fake
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Speaker 4: as is a hologram.
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Speaker 6: You know what I mean, you can put your finger
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Speaker 6: through it.
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Speaker 4: So monthly listeners, Okay, somebody got five hundred and thirty
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Speaker 4: thousand monthly listeners, about one hundred and twenty of them
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Speaker 4: are real humans. So now that person is getting a
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Speaker 4: spot ahead of you, right with fluff in.
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Speaker 2: Front of you. It's crazy because I said this on
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Speaker 2: a podcast where I was getting interviewed. In me maybe
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Speaker 2: it was a little a little bit of an exaggeration,
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Speaker 2: but all of these labels, like the marketing there's a
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Speaker 2: digital marketing budget that they bacon everyone's budget, right, and
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Speaker 2: so like how like I don't know to this day,
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Speaker 2: like right now and you know, whatever date is in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. For a lot of years, the digital
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Speaker 2: marketing budget was how do we pay for user curated playlisting.
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Speaker 2: There'd be some bruh who got the plug on like
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Speaker 2: fifty playlists. Oh yeah, like yo, I got a Fast
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Speaker 2: and the Furious ten playlist. It's got like one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand followers. There's three hundred dollars to get on that motherfucker,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I seen that play.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, they step and play, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, and then like most of the time the artists
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Speaker 2: don't even know that she's going on. But then they
11:31
Speaker 2: you know, obviously they got to recoup that bread like
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Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting time. And then even just like
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Speaker 2: you guys said, like the real testament is like can
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Speaker 2: you feel a venue, yeah, with.
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Speaker 7: The bodies that with the eyes and ears that you know.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not just like merch bundles. It's not just
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Speaker 4: transactional like that. Like right now you're gonna see it's
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Speaker 4: gonna be a different wave coming. Like it's a lot
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Speaker 4: of big artists. They can't even put together four hundred
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Speaker 4: people in one spot. And they got millions and millions
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Speaker 4: of this, but that million is just sending them off.
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Speaker 6: And robbing them.
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Speaker 4: Because especially if you're a new artist, like you've only
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Speaker 4: grown up knowing this route. Right now, this route is
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Speaker 4: over and it's more smoke than you could ever imagine,
12:14
Speaker 4: right because you've never seen the people. You never went outside.
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Speaker 4: You ain't never elbowed or adapt nobody. You ain't never
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Speaker 4: talked to your people that listen to you, you know
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Speaker 4: what I mean? Something that almost made us both tier up.
12:24
Speaker 4: If somebody came to our Toronto show with every single
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Speaker 4: piece of everything we ever.
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Speaker 2: Did, that's so crazy, you know what I mean? Like
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Speaker 2: I still have my uh, y'all did like a collapse
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Speaker 2: shirt with famous stars and straps. I think you guys
12:37
Speaker 2: opened up for cute we did?
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Speaker 4: We did?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that shirt at the Market Theater and we did
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Speaker 2: one with the clips too.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, right before everything kind of shut down. Our livest
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Speaker 4: Real tour room was with the clips.
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Speaker 2: That's crazy.
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Speaker 4: So like when we was working, we was working on
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Speaker 4: an album and they was like, yeah, no, we back outside.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, it's the best time, you know what
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Speaker 4: I mean. The last time we we put the ball up,
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Speaker 4: they put the ball up, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: So I think that just kind of understanding how people work,
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Speaker 4: and the people that like you work, it was easy
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Speaker 2: I feel like when we talk about influence and because
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Speaker 2: you know, I think it's just your guys's influence on
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Speaker 2: fashion alone. Like I always say this, but like you know,
15:05
Speaker 2: I think Tigers sometimes gets credit for like bringing snapbacks back.
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Speaker 2: But y'all did that.
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Speaker 6: I told him we did.
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Speaker 2: Like y'all brought the snap back a lot, a lot,
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Speaker 2: a lot.
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Speaker 7: But this just the thing.
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Speaker 5: Ain't no shout out to bro. Fuck that nigga, man,
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Speaker 5: this is what I'm talking about. We got documentation these
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Speaker 5: you guys, videos with dates, videos with dates and times
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Speaker 5: on them to pre date anything, all them dudes talking about. Man,
15:35
Speaker 5: it's like, just go do the homework, do the knowledge, man,
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Speaker 5: Like it's all there.
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Speaker 7: It's all documented, and you guys have.
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Speaker 2: Your fingerprints on like an era And like I feel
15:43
Speaker 2: like you know him and I because him and I
15:45
Speaker 2: are you know, similar in age and we're both similar
15:47
Speaker 2: tasting hip hop. So it's a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 2: hit me. It's like, yo, cool kids got to show
15:52
Speaker 2: a Pac dav And I was like, word, that's fire.
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Speaker 4: That's the That's exactly what we wanted it to be. Like,
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Speaker 4: So if you knew about it. You know, it's fired,
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Speaker 4: Like now somebody told you about it and you didn't
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Speaker 4: know you hearing this fire right, So now we're creating
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Speaker 4: a whole nother it's new conversation.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, your guys is like, how
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Speaker 2: do you guys kind of look at your guys's legacy
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Speaker 2: and like, do you guys kind of because I feel
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Speaker 2: like you guys are underappreciated and definitely underrated when we
16:20
Speaker 2: talk about the grand scheme of the last twenty years
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Speaker 2: of hip hop, and.
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Speaker 5: I feel like we me personally, I feel like we
16:29
Speaker 5: we are just now beginning to get you know, on
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Speaker 5: the right foot and get this shit right and get
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Speaker 5: a fair shake at what we're doing here. And that's
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Speaker 5: only because the world has shifted now, you know, everybody
16:44
Speaker 5: sees like the fun and the freedom being snatched away
16:48
Speaker 5: every day. There's some new shit Netflix just brought, Disney
16:51
Speaker 5: and HBO and Paramount that's not good. Like we see
16:54
Speaker 5: this type of shit happening every day. It's new things
16:57
Speaker 5: and new horrors that the corporations.
16:59
Speaker 7: Is putting up.
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Speaker 6: You got to pay money.
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Speaker 5: It's all about being like in a physical space with
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Speaker 5: the media and with the art now and being able
17:07
Speaker 5: to like uh, being able to to to to feel it,
17:10
Speaker 5: you know, something tangible, man. And I think that's definitely
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Speaker 5: where we we shine at. I think that our personalities,
17:17
Speaker 5: our presence are you know, our friendship and camaraderie, our relationship,
17:22
Speaker 5: all that stuff really translates well in the real world again.
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Speaker 7: And I think that that currency is starting to go
17:28
Speaker 7: up again. Man.
17:29
Speaker 6: So it's outside and stay.
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Speaker 5: Working out, stayed you know, stayed in in rap shape,
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Speaker 5: stayed in mental shape, and you know, stay low and
17:37
Speaker 5: kept firing like you said, man, And I think that
17:40
Speaker 5: the cycle is just coming back around now where it's
17:42
Speaker 5: actually gonna you know, make sense for dudes like us
17:45
Speaker 5: to really you know, step into the position we wanted to.
17:48
Speaker 4: If you when you get into a world where every
17:50
Speaker 4: single inconvenience that has brought into you has offered a
17:53
Speaker 4: price to be less inconvenient, mean like, oh, watch this
17:57
Speaker 4: ad free, Like why the fuck would you put that
18:00
Speaker 4: is in it? If you know we don't want.
18:01
Speaker 6: To see that ship.
18:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta pay extra five dollars to not be
18:07
Speaker 4: annoyed by something that you was offering me that should
18:10
Speaker 4: have made or entertained me. So we got so used
18:14
Speaker 4: to that small stab, that small stab, like extra fee
18:18
Speaker 4: pay for leg room, Like why the fuck is the
18:21
Speaker 4: plane show goddamn small that I gotta pay extra hundred
18:24
Speaker 4: dollars just to stretch my shit up.
18:26
Speaker 6: That's a bad world and that's bad business.
18:28
Speaker 4: And now it's starting to crumble on itself, like they
18:30
Speaker 4: they now it's like, oh, put AI in this.
18:33
Speaker 6: We don't want it now, what now, y'all?
18:36
Speaker 4: Two three trillion dollars into this shit in the world
18:38
Speaker 4: is not gonna fuck with it, bro. And then when
18:40
Speaker 4: you go outside and you really hear how people are
18:43
Speaker 4: responding to things, like seeing how they go see showed,
18:47
Speaker 4: seeing how people are in red lobster again and the
18:50
Speaker 4: food is good, and fuck all that extra shit, man,
18:52
Speaker 4: I don't want to pay two hundred dollars to eat
18:54
Speaker 4: with my family. It's just not gonna go well. And
18:57
Speaker 4: they thought it was. They're like they just we could
19:00
Speaker 4: just they'll just keep paying. I'm a wrestling fan and
19:02
Speaker 4: that's what wide like, I'm a huge dressing fan. So
19:04
Speaker 4: like w W E just got they got bought by
19:07
Speaker 4: t k O who owns UFC. Yeah, and they were
19:09
Speaker 4: just fucking gouging.
19:10
Speaker 7: Gouging right, it's sad man, You're like damn.
19:14
Speaker 2: Like I told my kid, I was like, hey, that
19:16
Speaker 2: ship crazy next year.
19:18
Speaker 6: It's like it's like going to see.
19:20
Speaker 5: A sports gonna happen to a lot, a lot of
19:22
Speaker 5: events and a lot of now because people are gonna
19:25
Speaker 5: do like you're saying, it's gonna come to that breaking
19:27
Speaker 5: point where they're just like man, funk that we're not
19:29
Speaker 5: going like I'm not paying and we go watch it
19:34
Speaker 5: on Street East.
19:35
Speaker 6: I ain't gonna lie to you. Do you know how
19:36
Speaker 6: many people I know over this Christmas?
19:39
Speaker 4: This is something interesting to bring up, like just outside
19:43
Speaker 4: like I could be, you know, poking a bear. But
19:46
Speaker 4: everybody I know that's a grown man with kids and
19:49
Speaker 4: they talk to their wife what you want for Christmas?
19:52
Speaker 4: I want to crack firestick. Every man I know, like
19:56
Speaker 4: back home now, living back in Detroit, popping back and
19:59
Speaker 4: forth off the Chicago everybody I know, they're like, yeah,
20:02
Speaker 4: I got the cracked fire stick. I don't even go
20:04
Speaker 4: to the movies.
20:05
Speaker 2: I didn't even show the crack firestick where you can
20:07
Speaker 2: sell them. Yeah you got.
20:10
Speaker 7: I've been on them for a minute.
20:11
Speaker 6: They're back like cook crapy now though.
20:13
Speaker 2: The point where something you press play on some ship
20:16
Speaker 2: and it would.
20:16
Speaker 5: Just be like it's to the point now where it's
20:20
Speaker 5: to the point now where there's cubes. Now they're like
20:23
Speaker 5: the fire cube and ship which hold a lot of memory.
20:26
Speaker 7: You could put all.
20:27
Speaker 5: Type of apps from Korea, all types of ship on
20:30
Speaker 5: there where you're watching movies, series whatever.
20:33
Speaker 2: You know, it's been four or five years since I
20:35
Speaker 2: was you know, Nikkel and Diamond on the side, some
20:38
Speaker 2: some some.
20:39
Speaker 7: Good old fire he fu business.
20:42
Speaker 6: Steal from them, niggas, man, But we talk about.
20:47
Speaker 5: Create all these goddamn apps. I gotta pay for every
20:50
Speaker 5: month now. No, I just got to steal all of them.
20:52
Speaker 4: And you did it like like you get. There's people
20:55
Speaker 4: with teslas and ship. I know, my man, he got
20:57
Speaker 4: locked up. He got locked inside his test.
20:59
Speaker 2: I got a truck.
21:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, they locked inside Tesla.
21:02
Speaker 5: Bro.
21:03
Speaker 2: That's wild.
21:03
Speaker 4: And then Bro Bro, I don't know what happened, but
21:06
Speaker 4: Bro just made an extra three hundred billion in the
21:09
Speaker 4: past three weeks. No, he's the richest, he said, Jeff
21:12
Speaker 4: three hundred No, I know, he's Jeff Bezosberg all combined.
21:18
Speaker 4: He still got more money than you don't need that
21:21
Speaker 4: much money. Now now we don't care.
21:23
Speaker 2: Bro. I think the billionaire ship is cooked.
21:25
Speaker 7: I was treating like.
21:26
Speaker 4: That when the fires happened that super wait till something
21:29
Speaker 4: else happened.
21:30
Speaker 6: Bro, they go to all this ship.
21:32
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, I got the I like pre
21:34
Speaker 2: ordered that cyber truck like five years before it came out.
21:37
Speaker 2: They put after email and I was like this right before,
21:42
Speaker 2: like I think I got my ship. I think I
21:44
Speaker 2: confirmed it in February and I had to pay, and
21:47
Speaker 2: then by like June it was like, oh fuck, this
21:50
Speaker 2: fool was like this weekend.
21:56
Speaker 5: Fesse too, because when he was announcing him like two thousand,
21:59
Speaker 5: I mean twenty twenty. Around that time, he was like, yeah, yeah,
22:02
Speaker 5: he's gonna be like forty racks, forty balls. They come out,
22:05
Speaker 5: he said, a hundo. As soon as they hit the market,
22:07
Speaker 5: it's like, oh he did the old bait and switch.
22:09
Speaker 1: Man.
22:09
Speaker 2: I always wonder you guys, was you guys uh when
22:14
Speaker 2: when Fish Ride Bicycles comes out in twenty eleven. Yeah,
22:19
Speaker 2: at that point our album comes out, and then it
22:21
Speaker 2: feels like you guys kind of split away and like
22:23
Speaker 2: you were you know, like I said, you have a
22:25
Speaker 2: fucking very slept on incredible catalog as Sir Michael Rocks
22:29
Speaker 2: as a solo artist, and Chuck you were fucking doing
22:31
Speaker 2: all your shit producing, going crazy. What was that point
22:35
Speaker 2: in time where you guys are like, you know what,
22:36
Speaker 2: like the cool kid shit, let's just put it on
22:40
Speaker 2: the back burner.
22:40
Speaker 5: Man, bro I remember that very vividly, man, because around
22:44
Speaker 5: that time, like you said, it's like twenty eleven, twenty
22:47
Speaker 5: twelve ish. I remember I was living in Chicago still.
22:52
Speaker 5: I think he had dipped out to La already. But
22:55
Speaker 5: you know, we dropped the album, we did some some touring,
22:59
Speaker 5: and we just knew that the world had hit a shift.
23:04
Speaker 4: Man.
23:05
Speaker 5: Me personally, I just recognized like, okay, uh Chief Keith
23:10
Speaker 5: Nim just came out like the drill ship just started popping,
23:13
Speaker 5: super super crazy. Nobody wanted to hear nothing at that
23:18
Speaker 5: time but sliding on your ops and and and and
23:21
Speaker 5: who you're smoking in the blunt, you know what I mean.
23:22
Speaker 5: So it was kind of like I was like, oh,
23:25
Speaker 5: it's not really the best time for us to be
23:29
Speaker 5: just you know, keep on poking people in the back,
23:32
Speaker 5: like hey, listen to this, listen to this.
23:33
Speaker 7: It's like we probably should get this.
23:34
Speaker 5: Give it this a second, you know, and let's let's
23:37
Speaker 5: you know, use our other our other skill sets, our other.
23:41
Speaker 7: Networks, and you know, keep creating.
23:43
Speaker 5: Obviously, like the whole time, he was still sending me
23:46
Speaker 5: beats from my solo.
23:48
Speaker 7: Shit. Uh, he's still sending me songs and she's.
23:51
Speaker 5: Like, oh, yeah, you should do this, you shoot the
23:53
Speaker 5: video and so and so we still like are very
23:55
Speaker 5: much in tune and and on the same path and
23:58
Speaker 5: on the same page. We just knew that as the
24:01
Speaker 5: cool kids at that point in time, it was time
24:03
Speaker 5: to like just you know, put that on ice for
24:05
Speaker 5: a second. You don't you don't let it melt, you
24:07
Speaker 5: don't let it die, you know, you just put it
24:09
Speaker 5: on ice and preserve it for when the time is
24:10
Speaker 5: right again. So we just knew that it was time
24:13
Speaker 5: to you know, just take some take some alternate routes
24:16
Speaker 5: for a second, and then we meet back up when
24:18
Speaker 5: it feels good again, right right.
24:20
Speaker 2: Right, Chuck? Uh, can you talk just about like for
24:24
Speaker 2: you because production has changed so much. We just talked
24:27
Speaker 2: to somebody who was saying that they're using like AI
24:30
Speaker 2: for samples now, Like if they need a vocal sample,
24:32
Speaker 2: they can get it from AI and then chop it
24:33
Speaker 2: up and you know which I respect. It is what
24:35
Speaker 2: it is. But for you as a producer, man, like,
24:38
Speaker 2: are you still like in the trenches sending out packs?
24:41
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I don't send no packs.
24:43
Speaker 2: You gotta call me.
24:45
Speaker 4: I did, But it's like there's certain pride that I
24:49
Speaker 4: have to my work. Nah, if it's for example, I
24:53
Speaker 4: send Larry a whole bunch of beats of people that
24:55
Speaker 4: I didn't kind of you got, you know, of course,
24:58
Speaker 4: of course, yeah, like send y'all some beats, you know,
25:02
Speaker 4: like stuff I was doing or I am currently doing
25:05
Speaker 4: with seafood, saying like I'll pick and choose, but you know,
25:08
Speaker 4: somebody's manager and are like, chuck, let me get a
25:11
Speaker 4: pack of beats.
25:12
Speaker 6: It's it's cool. It was cool when it was cool.
25:16
Speaker 4: Now it's not cool because if you sit in the
25:18
Speaker 4: studio and you peat the psychology, you give somebody a
25:21
Speaker 4: whole bunch of beats, they're not gonna focus on the
25:24
Speaker 4: first one they play. They're gonna try to go through
25:26
Speaker 4: the whole thing and just listen to it was put up,
25:28
Speaker 4: the next one, put up the next one.
25:30
Speaker 6: And you can't audition my ship like that.
25:32
Speaker 4: I worked too hard. You know what I sound like.
25:35
Speaker 4: If you want something that sound like something, talk to
25:37
Speaker 4: me about it.
25:38
Speaker 2: Build this communication.
25:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, that's it's it's it's quiet storm outside.
25:46
Speaker 4: For the young producers, a lot of kids, you know,
25:50
Speaker 4: they saw it as like, all, let's work together and
25:53
Speaker 4: you put this and put this, and then they get
25:55
Speaker 4: to the finish line and it come time for splits
25:57
Speaker 4: and then your man's just slimming you. Or even the
26:00
Speaker 4: shit that you used was made by somebody else, so
26:03
Speaker 4: you don't.
26:03
Speaker 2: Even know it.
26:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, not a song on the radio gotta get taken
26:06
Speaker 4: down because.
26:07
Speaker 2: If somebody sent the loop, they didn't get credzy.
26:09
Speaker 4: No, because we're in this streaming eror and everything has
26:14
Speaker 4: to be a transaction. Now if you would have did that,
26:18
Speaker 4: you know, twenty eleven, twenty ten, that song is on
26:23
Speaker 4: an album that's being spread worldwide with no transaction, so
26:27
Speaker 4: the publishing is not really there. It's just energy, right,
26:31
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And that's kind of where
26:34
Speaker 4: the fun gets taken out if you're making stuff.
26:37
Speaker 6: That's why there is imp.
26:41
Speaker 4: Implanation. What I know that word implemented. You know, you
26:47
Speaker 4: can call it AI, but it's it's just it's just
26:49
Speaker 4: really like the.
26:50
Speaker 6: Keyboard and looking for you know, it's the same shit.
26:55
Speaker 4: You know how many keyboards, core keyboards that have a
26:57
Speaker 4: pre determined loop, piano run all of those different things.
27:04
Speaker 4: Music and AI is very very easy to hear. What
27:08
Speaker 4: is It's not like people are stupid, you know what
27:11
Speaker 4: I mean. But if you take somebody right now who
27:15
Speaker 4: wants to use a vocal sample didn't know it was,
27:18
Speaker 4: you know, like some archie in the drill ship that's
27:22
Speaker 4: gonna cost you two hundred thousand dollars and put.
27:24
Speaker 6: You in a hole that you can't never get out of.
27:27
Speaker 4: It makes it like incentivizes people to go and use
27:33
Speaker 4: AI sounds and.
27:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I need I need a I need to
27:36
Speaker 2: acquire to sample.
27:39
Speaker 4: You don't got that money, bro, So most you know
27:43
Speaker 4: what I mean, that's how you use it too. Like
27:46
Speaker 4: it's like when I moved out to l A. I
27:50
Speaker 4: came out here, like alchemists convinced me to come out here.
27:53
Speaker 4: And when I got out here, before I got an apartment,
27:55
Speaker 4: I would just be at his place all day and
27:58
Speaker 4: then I peeped Matlid was just making beats on anything.
28:05
Speaker 4: It didn't even matter, and he didn't print out no stems.
28:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, you always hear he made I think bendana on
28:10
Speaker 2: the iPad pad.
28:12
Speaker 4: See, it's the user. It's not really the equipment, you
28:16
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, it's really up to you.
28:19
Speaker 4: Now there's laziness, it's it's certain trap beats. We're just
28:22
Speaker 4: like bro that that was a stock. That was stock,
28:25
Speaker 4: and you just put the same trap drum loop in
28:28
Speaker 4: the same pack of loops I had. I just didn't
28:30
Speaker 4: use it right. And now it's you know, on the charts,
28:34
Speaker 4: it's on Billboard. And when you start rewarding that type
28:38
Speaker 4: of lack of hard work, I ain't even gonna say
28:42
Speaker 4: it's a lack of hard work or lack of trying
28:45
Speaker 4: to identify what your sound is, then everybody's gonna follow it.
28:50
Speaker 6: So if producer over here I.
28:53
Speaker 4: Sed out changed everywhere, Lambo pulling out front of the
28:58
Speaker 4: restaurants in LA But when you listen to his music,
29:01
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, what does he even do? Then you
29:04
Speaker 4: got a whole bunch of kids. It's like fuck with
29:07
Speaker 4: Chuck Enguish and you know what I'm saying, day and
29:10
Speaker 4: all of them niggas, fuck what they're doing. We're doing
29:12
Speaker 4: this because I could get a lambo facts, and that's
29:15
Speaker 4: really how it starts, and that's how you get outside
29:17
Speaker 4: of the pocket of things actually mattering in them. Not
29:22
Speaker 4: because it's it's hard for anybody to scrub two nickels together,
29:26
Speaker 4: no matter if you got it or you not. Facts,
29:29
Speaker 4: because I didn't have moments. I got it, looked at
29:31
Speaker 4: it in my bank account, like shit, three months. I
29:33
Speaker 4: don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do, right, because
29:35
Speaker 4: that one check don't turn into two checks sometimes. So
29:38
Speaker 4: you got these kids that's hungry, and they like, oh,
29:41
Speaker 4: why wasn't in the streets. I'm in the studio. But
29:43
Speaker 4: now the studio gonna make you more broke and give
29:47
Speaker 4: you less of any sort of wins than just going
29:51
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Speaker 5: Not that it's not a particular story, just like a
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Speaker 5: reflection on like type of dude like he was, because
31:48
Speaker 5: you know, at this point, I mean from you know,
31:52
Speaker 5: all of his close friends from like schoolboy Q and
31:54
Speaker 5: you know Evince everybody who used to just be at
31:58
Speaker 5: the crib, you know when they have at that uh,
32:00
Speaker 5: I think it was like Laurel kayan studio crib and shit, man,
32:05
Speaker 5: Mac was just he's just he just knew how to
32:08
Speaker 5: be a friend too. Man, He just knew how to
32:10
Speaker 5: be a friend. Like he had cheer you up. And
32:12
Speaker 5: he was the one, you know with all the ship
32:15
Speaker 5: to do. You know, he was the one that had
32:17
Speaker 5: all the bills to pay. He just let everybody all
32:21
Speaker 5: the stress, you know, and he just let everybody come
32:23
Speaker 5: over his crib and fuck his house up and record
32:26
Speaker 5: and you know, smoke weed and then record songs all day.
32:29
Speaker 5: And you know, still if you down, he's still gonna
32:32
Speaker 5: cheer you back up, you know what I'm saying.
32:34
Speaker 7: When he actually the one like when he.
32:36
Speaker 4: Moved into that crib that everybody saw where everybody was
32:39
Speaker 4: pulling up. We was on tour with him, and then
32:41
Speaker 4: when we got off tour, he bought that crib. And
32:44
Speaker 4: then when we pulled back up because I lived, I
32:48
Speaker 4: had just moved to La through and we all went
32:52
Speaker 4: our own way after the tour was over, which turn
32:55
Speaker 4: into just like you know, like the first week of
32:58
Speaker 4: school with some news you just met, like with his
33:02
Speaker 4: whole team and all that, and then us riding through
33:04
Speaker 4: the buses and and when we did the tour, he
33:08
Speaker 4: took care of us, cast us out per show and
33:10
Speaker 4: made sure we had a bus. They didn't even we
33:12
Speaker 4: didn't even have to know we was inconvenience, not one time.
33:16
Speaker 4: And then when we got back off tour, just you
33:19
Speaker 4: know the way I am. I'm I'm an at home
33:21
Speaker 4: type of person. I know where it's supposed to be
33:23
Speaker 4: be candles in all my dishes be washed. You're like, Chuck,
33:26
Speaker 4: I need it like this, send me the bed bathroom
33:29
Speaker 4: beyond with his credit card, Like just do what you
33:31
Speaker 4: would do. So like the Buddha heeads and all that shit,
33:33
Speaker 4: that's just me being like, hey, bro, put this ship
33:36
Speaker 4: in here, so on.
33:36
Speaker 6: Field, So you helped with the interior decord.
33:39
Speaker 4: I grabbed it for him with it I ain't I
33:41
Speaker 4: ain't buy it, but picked it out.
33:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went to the big bathroom beyond up the street.
33:47
Speaker 6: So all that like layout was.
33:49
Speaker 4: Me being like, bro, you need a rug, you need
33:51
Speaker 4: this get you know what I'm saying, Like, y'all gonna
33:53
Speaker 4: blow this bitch down, so you're gonna need some candles.
33:56
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
33:57
Speaker 4: Like, and I think really contributed to me just being like, man,
34:03
Speaker 4: the little homies trust me. And it's like you don't
34:07
Speaker 4: get that too much. I know people say that ship
34:08
Speaker 4: all the time. You don't get people. You don't get
34:10
Speaker 4: people like him that are doing this now.
34:12
Speaker 5: You don't run into that, not with.
34:19
Speaker 4: As much leverage as yet where he could put his
34:21
Speaker 4: finger on something and and and you know that ship
34:24
Speaker 4: ripple out. So it's like the whole network from when
34:29
Speaker 4: like Earl and Vince and q us, you.
34:33
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like.
34:36
Speaker 4: It was just a beautiful time to be honest with
34:38
Speaker 4: you because it's like over and over on the other side,
34:41
Speaker 4: it's like we're doing that as crib. It's all this
34:44
Speaker 4: connection that was happening, and he was just a big
34:47
Speaker 4: part of it, you know, Like I told somebody else,
34:50
Speaker 4: it's like a cognitive distance thing in reverse.
34:54
Speaker 6: It's like I missed him so much.
34:56
Speaker 4: I just don't be thinking about like like I'm not
34:58
Speaker 4: going back and forth with the memory he's in my
35:00
Speaker 4: head over that because I'm still pissed about it. Right,
35:02
Speaker 4: That's one of them things I can't never get over.
35:04
Speaker 4: Like I know people that have been shot, been in
35:07
Speaker 4: car crashes, all sorts of shit, Like my brain can
35:10
Speaker 4: make sense of it. I can't make sense of this one. Yeah,
35:13
Speaker 4: that one, it don't make sense. It's like and no
35:15
Speaker 4: offense to her, but it's like Timmy Levado just od
35:18
Speaker 4: off a speedball and she got to live, right, So
35:21
Speaker 4: it's like no offense to her.
35:22
Speaker 6: But like that's how it was making me.
35:24
Speaker 2: Feel, right, you know what I'm saying.
35:26
Speaker 4: Like my man like to get a little high like
35:28
Speaker 4: that Dad, he knew how to fucking kick it.
35:32
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
35:32
Speaker 2: I've watched him do it right, you know what I'm saying.
35:35
Speaker 4: So it's just this is one of them things you
35:39
Speaker 4: want to get, that you want, you want that lick back.
35:41
Speaker 2: A little bit. Yeah, I mean it's sad because it's like,
35:45
Speaker 2: I feel like we started to kind of realize through
35:49
Speaker 2: famous people losing their life that this shit ain't the
35:52
Speaker 2: same like it was, you know, ten years ago.
35:54
Speaker 6: No facts.
35:55
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've seen that shift, man, and then you know,
35:59
Speaker 5: shortly there, you know, Mac passed.
36:01
Speaker 7: It was just.
36:02
Speaker 5: Another wave of even younger kids, you know what I'm saying,
36:06
Speaker 5: all due to like, you know, the same causes of
36:09
Speaker 5: just different substances and the game changing with the substances.
36:13
Speaker 7: Man, and the ship just kind of.
36:15
Speaker 5: Hit a fever pitch where it's like everybody need to
36:18
Speaker 5: take a take a pause real quick. We need to
36:20
Speaker 5: see what the fuck is going on, doll, because everybody
36:23
Speaker 5: just dropping and that was a wild time.
36:25
Speaker 2: Uh. Who do you guys have in your personal Let's
36:30
Speaker 2: just say, I don't want to say the because I
36:32
Speaker 2: feel like y'all were before the blog era. You guys
36:34
Speaker 2: are very active in a certain specific era of hip hop,
36:38
Speaker 2: what's called the blog era. Who would you put as
36:42
Speaker 2: your mount Rushmore the blog er each year?
36:45
Speaker 7: Hmm? But us, Okay, Yeah, I definitely feel like we.
36:50
Speaker 7: I just feel like we gotta be there. We gotta
36:53
Speaker 7: be there.
36:54
Speaker 2: I feel like you guys laid the foundation.
36:56
Speaker 7: We gotta be in there.
36:57
Speaker 6: We walked through the part that was a little bit
36:59
Speaker 6: more difficult.
37:00
Speaker 2: You guys did the framing of the house.
37:01
Speaker 4: But yeah, and then we didn't sign. We didn't get up
37:04
Speaker 4: we didn't get upstreamed.
37:06
Speaker 6: We had to stay down here and still like keeping
37:09
Speaker 6: hill on.
37:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, some bullshit.
37:15
Speaker 4: Remember thinking that. I remember being like this ship got engulfed.
37:19
Speaker 4: You went to jail for some stupid ship. Like it's
37:22
Speaker 4: almost like you didn't even have to do It's like that.
37:25
Speaker 4: But look look what happened to you. So what I
37:28
Speaker 4: say about like that, that that that particular you know,
37:35
Speaker 4: we we had to keep We had just like everybody
37:37
Speaker 4: upstairs kicking it. We downstairs making sure the refrigerator stay stopped.
37:42
Speaker 4: But I would say us honestly bro us currency and
37:47
Speaker 4: whiz because they made it. They made it work. The
37:50
Speaker 4: business wise, he's he's pretty much like he's pretty much
37:57
Speaker 4: like if you had to show what it looked like
38:01
Speaker 4: on the financial tip of what the business model of
38:04
Speaker 4: what we was doing and.
38:06
Speaker 2: Just he hep. I just remember the quant like the
38:09
Speaker 2: quantity of music Spinner was putting out.
38:12
Speaker 4: But he tuned that. He tuned that because that's the
38:15
Speaker 4: way his fan base.
38:17
Speaker 2: I remember it was like every month they liked no
38:21
Speaker 2: for sure.
38:22
Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's certain people that's not that good.
38:25
Speaker 4: So the more output you do, people start realizing certain
38:28
Speaker 4: people who are not.
38:30
Speaker 2: Certain people who certain people think is the greatest rapper
38:33
Speaker 2: of all time for sure. Yeah.
38:35
Speaker 4: So it's like you listen to any any random Spit album,
38:39
Speaker 4: it's the beats is crazy.
38:41
Speaker 2: I also think like him and that he kind of like,
38:45
Speaker 2: at least for like a certain era kind of made
38:47
Speaker 2: like I look at Covert Coop is like everybody's like, oh,
38:52
Speaker 2: we can't do like a whole album with a producer
38:54
Speaker 2: that sound type. I mean, we grew up with that,
38:57
Speaker 2: but I mean for like, for that like of course
39:00
Speaker 2: you know obviously gangst are clips clips of course, biggy,
39:05
Speaker 2: but I just mean like, for like, you know, the
39:08
Speaker 2: newer era is like you know it kind of I
39:10
Speaker 2: feel like it was kind of the genesis of like
39:13
Speaker 2: so much that we got after that, right.
39:15
Speaker 4: And it's like we we we equate, you know, the
39:19
Speaker 4: stuff and the blogger like it's this, it's in this
39:22
Speaker 4: vacuum when there's so many things that happened before it
39:26
Speaker 4: happened after. But it was like we were the first
39:29
Speaker 4: ones in the not cder and we had CDs, you
39:33
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
39:33
Speaker 6: So people just seeing it like, oh, you put your
39:35
Speaker 6: music out on the internet.
39:37
Speaker 4: Only I can't even tell you how many times we
39:39
Speaker 4: would hear you put it out on the internet.
39:42
Speaker 6: Now it's not what the fuck else could you put it?
39:44
Speaker 7: There is no other way to put out music.
39:46
Speaker 4: You don't know.
39:47
Speaker 6: About three, three week, four week lead times.
39:50
Speaker 4: So you could get your ship mixing master because there
39:52
Speaker 4: is no other way around.
39:54
Speaker 6: You couldn't put.
39:54
Speaker 4: It out on the CD that was being distributed or
39:58
Speaker 4: bought up and packaged with out certain levels being in
40:03
Speaker 4: what's that ship called parameters being met because it had to, right,
40:07
Speaker 4: So we kind of like lowered or loosen those rules
40:12
Speaker 4: by doing the same quality of music but putting it
40:15
Speaker 4: so it's on a zip. So instead of doing it
40:18
Speaker 4: the way you used to do it, when you bootlegged it.
40:20
Speaker 4: Here's the butleg right here. So I think that we
40:23
Speaker 4: took a lot of shrapnel coming through the door off
40:25
Speaker 4: that because from the bands, but like from the old
40:28
Speaker 4: Guard that was like, who the fuck are y'all ruining
40:31
Speaker 4: this ship?
40:31
Speaker 2: Well, by the time you guys put out Bake Sale,
40:33
Speaker 2: I feel like it was like like shit had been
40:36
Speaker 2: out for a minute. Yeah, it was like it was
40:38
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I could buy this now we
40:44
Speaker 2: do that.
40:44
Speaker 4: And then get caught in the crossfire and the wood
40:47
Speaker 4: Chipper and now we had to take what was our
40:49
Speaker 4: first album and split it up into three mixtapes. So
40:52
Speaker 4: gun Fishing, tackle Box, when First Ride Bicycles, that was
40:56
Speaker 4: all one album, right, Like like if we could have
40:59
Speaker 4: hit them with that type of concentration, it's gonna tell me.
41:02
Speaker 7: Yeah.
41:02
Speaker 5: I think that's where the I think that's where like
41:06
Speaker 5: the reverse of you know, being able to release music
41:10
Speaker 5: freely comes into play. I think that's where the negative
41:13
Speaker 5: came in because back then you would, uh, you would
41:18
Speaker 5: only get certain coverage and only get certain looks if
41:20
Speaker 5: it was an official album, you know what I mean.
41:22
Speaker 5: Like even though those mixtapes and Ship there were all
41:25
Speaker 5: original songs original beats. It wasn't no like rapping over
41:28
Speaker 5: instrumentals or somebody else's beat like a mixtape in that way.
41:31
Speaker 5: But to get the real like coverage for like you know,
41:34
Speaker 5: your your magazines and your promos and all the Rolling
41:38
Speaker 5: Stones and had to be official released.
41:42
Speaker 2: You know, Big was here just came out and everybody
41:46
Speaker 2: was like, is this the album of the year, But
41:47
Speaker 2: is it an album? Mixtape? Yellow Truck it.
41:51
Speaker 5: Was like it was a It was a complicated complicated times.
41:54
Speaker 2: Definitely like before all that ship or sure. I mean,
41:59
Speaker 2: like you said in MYCE like that's really like a
42:01
Speaker 2: lot of motherfuckers just finding joints on MySpace.
42:04
Speaker 5: So, you know, were our manager she told us recently,
42:07
Speaker 5: she was like, yeah, I went back and looked. She said,
42:09
Speaker 5: y'all have five million fans or follow whatever they called
42:13
Speaker 5: them on MySpace. Yeah, And I was like, Yo, that's
42:16
Speaker 5: crazy because like that's back when a social media platform
42:20
Speaker 5: could literally like die, like for real like die Like nowadays,
42:23
Speaker 5: Facebook it'll never die, Instagram never gonna die.
42:27
Speaker 7: X it ain't never going to die. They're just two
42:29
Speaker 7: huge of entities now, you know.
42:32
Speaker 5: But MySpace, that's back when you could just die. You
42:34
Speaker 5: lost all of that ship. You know, I think we
42:37
Speaker 5: lost cod low key. Yeah, it's like that in that
42:40
Speaker 5: transition to we just lost a lot of people just
42:44
Speaker 5: they they just didn't know where to look for us,
42:47
Speaker 5: you know, after MySpace kind of imploded, So that transition
42:50
Speaker 5: was just it was a crazy time for that.
42:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they just they just said the deserver
42:55
Speaker 4: that it was hosted on, they just unplugged it.
42:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, you funny. I had a bunch of pictures on
43:03
Speaker 2: my Space that I was like, I guess that always
43:05
Speaker 2: they'll always be there, you know, is gone.
43:08
Speaker 6: I wish it was, man, it was some it was
43:09
Speaker 6: some stuff.
43:10
Speaker 7: It was some memories on there.
43:11
Speaker 2: Man. Holy And then I remember like Justin Timberlake bought
43:14
Speaker 2: my Space and.
43:16
Speaker 6: I was like, maybe j T bring you back.
43:19
Speaker 4: He tried and he wanted. He was going. He was
43:24
Speaker 4: there for a lot of stuff we was doing. That's
43:26
Speaker 4: what showed us that, like, Okay, this is different.
43:30
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, Justin shoutut to Justin. Man, you guys
43:35
Speaker 2: do have to run to the show. But it is
43:36
Speaker 2: the end of the year. Outside of your guys's body
43:40
Speaker 2: of work. Who do y'all got this rap album of
43:43
Speaker 2: the Year and uh.
43:46
Speaker 7: Rap album of the Year. It's been so much ship
43:48
Speaker 7: this year. I can.
43:52
Speaker 2: Clips right is the obvious answer to the clips.
43:54
Speaker 7: Of album of the Year.
44:00
Speaker 5: I love, I like, I like, I liked it a lot,
44:02
Speaker 5: but like this is this is what I'm trying to say.
44:05
Speaker 5: Like there hasn't been just like the definitive five mic
44:10
Speaker 5: album of the year for me personally. Man, what I
44:14
Speaker 5: have experienced this year is some artists that have done
44:19
Speaker 5: very very well this year with their just body of
44:22
Speaker 5: work period throughout the year or the year prior and
44:25
Speaker 5: all that one that I could say for show that's
44:29
Speaker 5: just you know, been.
44:31
Speaker 7: Keeping my attention all year.
44:33
Speaker 5: It's been King Hendrix man think you Out and thank
44:37
Speaker 5: you from Houston. Yeah, you know he'd be Babyface ray
44:40
Speaker 5: and on them. But dog Man like that ship, his
44:43
Speaker 5: new ship all throughout the year. That shit really got
44:46
Speaker 5: me like back excited again the right ship and made
44:49
Speaker 5: this ship you know interesting again. You know, I've just
44:54
Speaker 5: been really impressed, you know, with just just a pen
44:57
Speaker 5: and his approach.
44:57
Speaker 7: To the ship. I'm you know, big man, what.
45:00
Speaker 2: About you check?
45:05
Speaker 4: I mean, my my taste doesn't just stop at uh
45:09
Speaker 4: hip hop music as much as I'm you know, got
45:12
Speaker 4: a seat at the table.
45:17
Speaker 2: What I listened to over and over and over and
45:20
Speaker 2: over again.
45:22
Speaker 6: It's a dude named Harrison Harrison, like a new.
45:26
Speaker 5: Jazz Yeah, yeah, yeah, Harrison Hard Harrison go crazy.
45:30
Speaker 4: That's one of the first artists in a long time
45:34
Speaker 4: where like it don't matter, it don't matter what song
45:38
Speaker 4: comes on or off, what album is on. I'm like, yeah, jazz,
45:44
Speaker 4: yeah that, And it's like a new It's like, it's
45:47
Speaker 4: not jazz jazz, it's a new jazz bro Like, I
45:50
Speaker 4: don't know how the funk he's doing it, but it's
45:53
Speaker 4: like jazz fun jazz.
45:55
Speaker 7: Like it's crazy, Mom.
46:00
Speaker 4: Grol Genevieve, Like I listened to her album one time,
46:04
Speaker 4: just doing We're friends too, Like you know what I mean.
46:07
Speaker 4: I just I don't listen to it when it comes out.
46:09
Speaker 4: Ain't no way I'm about to put an album on
46:11
Speaker 4: at midnight. Now I'm back on the East Coast. Fuck that,
46:14
Speaker 4: Like nine pm on a Friday is a terrible time
46:17
Speaker 4: to drop an album. So I listened to it when
46:20
Speaker 4: I get my time, and then I always try to
46:21
Speaker 4: listen to stuff where it's practical. So if I'm matching
46:24
Speaker 4: my socks after I just did laundry. Great time to
46:27
Speaker 4: put on an album, you know what I mean, Like
46:30
Speaker 4: you gotta hand washing dishes because you cook big ship
46:33
Speaker 4: washing and then you got the got the dishes, You
46:35
Speaker 4: got the dishes, the dicks you got to put in
46:36
Speaker 4: the dishwasher, and then you got them last few.
46:38
Speaker 6: You gotta hand wash that little cycle, that little forty minutes.
46:42
Speaker 2: Yep.
46:42
Speaker 6: It's a good time to listen to albums.
46:44
Speaker 2: Either that or a podcast. Put the headphones in, Oh yeah.
46:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I or you know, going for a long
46:50
Speaker 4: walk like the walk to the farmer's market.
46:52
Speaker 2: Okay, some ship. Give me a hip hop album though
46:55
Speaker 2: clips clips respect it and it grew on me.
47:01
Speaker 6: Hmm, so like the first I mean I could be
47:04
Speaker 6: honest with you.
47:05
Speaker 4: You know, I grew up and you know, for that
47:07
Speaker 4: was who I wanted to be like as as as
47:10
Speaker 4: a teenager. So I like listen to his ship like
47:13
Speaker 4: a little bit harder than I would like to, Like
47:16
Speaker 4: I still want that, Like, why you not fucking.
47:18
Speaker 6: Me up right now?
47:19
Speaker 2: Bro? You know what I mean?
47:20
Speaker 6: Like I don't even want to hear I don't want
47:22
Speaker 6: to hear none of that progressive shit.
47:23
Speaker 2: You I feel you Why do you not have album?
47:27
Speaker 6: No, but it's like, why do you know how to
47:29
Speaker 6: chop her out?
47:29
Speaker 4: And now I'm like, oh, you actually did it right,
47:32
Speaker 4: you you you crafted it to what they was about
47:35
Speaker 4: to tell. And then when I saw the show live
47:37
Speaker 4: in Detroit, I was like, oh, it makes the most sense.
47:40
Speaker 2: Such a good show.
47:41
Speaker 6: So it was like.
47:43
Speaker 4: Ship, I like being in the world where they the
47:45
Speaker 4: ones and we we you know we what I said.
47:48
Speaker 2: I said, man, like this year is it very Like
47:51
Speaker 2: I'm trying to put together my top ten albums just
47:53
Speaker 2: for a video we're gonna do, and I'm like, man,
47:54
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to pick ten.
47:56
Speaker 6: Yeah, but see, that's what we gotta we gotta.
47:58
Speaker 4: We gotta figure out how to celebrate things without scoring
48:03
Speaker 4: them up. Like it's like it's a Parla's kind of
48:05
Speaker 4: what I got. What I mean, that's what you got to.
48:07
Speaker 2: You got to.
48:08
Speaker 4: But I think that the mass amount of things that
48:11
Speaker 4: are coming out, I think people need to get in
48:13
Speaker 4: the habit of just listening more.
48:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm like, Bodie James had a great year obviously,
48:19
Speaker 2: Alfredo two is incredible, Bruiser Wolf is fucking dope, like.
48:26
Speaker 5: Yeah, rappers, rap rappers, good man, Like it's been a
48:31
Speaker 5: good year.
48:31
Speaker 2: For rap album Just it's like, what a fucking right there?
48:37
Speaker 6: Man?
48:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense though, you know what I mean,
48:40
Speaker 4: Like you know l It's like two people I know
48:43
Speaker 4: for a fact they're always practicing and they're always working
48:48
Speaker 4: on It's Travis Barker. I never seen the man not
48:51
Speaker 4: with a drum pad like we went on tour with,
48:53
Speaker 4: like we got tons of songs anytime I walked up
48:57
Speaker 4: on him or was in his comfortable space like that
48:59
Speaker 4: is how he not even on the drum right, I
49:03
Speaker 4: ain't never seen out in his spot, not in front
49:06
Speaker 4: of the NPC unless we order food or we like
49:10
Speaker 4: get going outside to make a run. So when it
49:12
Speaker 4: comes down to, you know, work ethic, people get kind
49:16
Speaker 4: of lost in that what that sauce is.
49:18
Speaker 6: The ethic ain't just the grind.
49:20
Speaker 4: It's like how long are you willing to sit with
49:23
Speaker 4: your machine til you figured out how to do that?
49:25
Speaker 2: Yep?
49:25
Speaker 4: Like how did you stretch that samples until you made
49:28
Speaker 4: it fit into time?
49:29
Speaker 2: Yeah?
49:30
Speaker 6: And that's what makes.
49:31
Speaker 4: It original, That's what what what brings out in what
49:35
Speaker 4: they say cream Rise.
49:36
Speaker 6: To the Top.
49:37
Speaker 2: I think he's figured out too, Like if you are
49:40
Speaker 2: a dope producer like we'll say you or Havoc or whoever,
49:46
Speaker 2: like Yo, man, like don't sit on beats like you know,
49:50
Speaker 2: like he's revolutionized, like the vinyl shit too, like like
49:54
Speaker 2: you know he was telling me how like you know,
49:56
Speaker 2: he had to kind of convince evidence from dilated peoples
49:59
Speaker 2: to be like, Yo, you got to go on one
50:00
Speaker 2: of these runs where you do whole albums and right,
50:03
Speaker 2: you know, I think if you're a producer like yo,
50:06
Speaker 2: like lock in. You know what I'm saying, like shout
50:10
Speaker 2: out to uh to al though, man, but look, the
50:12
Speaker 2: new album is out. The shows tonight? Is this? How
50:15
Speaker 2: many is this the last day on the tour? How
50:17
Speaker 2: many dates on the tour?
50:18
Speaker 5: We got Chicago, that's the last one of course in Chicago,
50:22
Speaker 5: you know where it all started at, starting.
50:23
Speaker 2: To Detroit and Crazy Crazy. You know what's funny is
50:28
Speaker 2: like you guys being from those two different places. I'd
50:31
Speaker 2: never been to the Midwest, and we would spend like
50:33
Speaker 2: a week and a half in Detroit and I realized
50:36
Speaker 2: I was like, oh Chicago. My boy was like, YO,
50:37
Speaker 2: should drive down to Chicago, and hey, I'm like drive
50:40
Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh.
50:40
Speaker 4: This shit is not that fuck around the corner had
50:43
Speaker 4: fucking Canada, like you could throw a football fucking hit Canada.
50:46
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got that, that's right there.
50:49
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. You know that's how we came up
50:52
Speaker 4: as kids. You'd be nineteen and go across being.
50:55
Speaker 2: An influential Detroit Jesus, the Detroit ship right now is
50:58
Speaker 2: influencing everybody, like it's fucking crazy Detroit.
51:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Pistons is good, thank god, right, the
51:05
Speaker 4: Lion is good, the Tigers is good.
51:07
Speaker 6: We're in a good spot.
51:09
Speaker 2: And the lines are okay. The Bears are good.
51:11
Speaker 7: Bears good. We've been good in a long time, y'all.
51:16
Speaker 4: Y'all have y'all got the last And as a sportsman,
51:19
Speaker 4: if you're a Bears fan, the next three games are
51:22
Speaker 4: the hardest out of anybody that's in the NFL.
51:25
Speaker 2: The Lions are on the outside looking in right now.
51:27
Speaker 4: We're gonna stump them up hole And like the first
51:29
Speaker 4: time I'm watching it, I know who Ben Johnson is,
51:32
Speaker 4: y'all don't.
51:33
Speaker 2: I definitely don't believe in Williams, but he and y'all
51:38
Speaker 2: got what's the little white boy's name?
51:39
Speaker 7: Giddy Josh?
51:41
Speaker 6: Josh, Josh, sweet Josh.
51:43
Speaker 5: Now the Bulls that's really my team. Like the Bears,
51:46
Speaker 5: they've hurt.
51:47
Speaker 2: Me so much.
51:48
Speaker 5: We're out my childhood that I kind of hated them
51:50
Speaker 5: for a long time. But the Bulls, I'll be riding
51:52
Speaker 5: with them.
51:53
Speaker 4: Kobe, Kobe White, uh Man.
51:56
Speaker 7: I don't know what the hell happened this year.
51:58
Speaker 2: Trade them last year, Bro, that's it.
52:00
Speaker 7: Sometimes got a little hurt and came back a little different.
52:03
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta get a haircut. You gotta hit
52:06
Speaker 4: a haircut that's gonna help his game.
52:08
Speaker 2: You can't.
52:09
Speaker 6: You can't hoop with them on the Bulls.
52:10
Speaker 7: We gotta sell some players. We gotta trade some ship,
52:12
Speaker 7: We gotta figure some You.
52:13
Speaker 2: Guys have been avoiding the fucking rebuild for like eight years. Anyway.
52:16
Speaker 6: Appreciate you guys, and thanks for having the kids go support.
52:19
Speaker 2: Appreciate you all. Y'all a legends