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Is Angela… cursed? On this episode: we take a semi-lighthearted look at CURSES, a very dark topic we might want to learn more about · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back, and for everyone that's listening
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to this podcast, you may have noticed there's
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ads now. We were able to restart the ads because
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our podcast is wildly successful, and we're just
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that good. I don't know, is that like a blessing
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or a curse? Debatable. I mean, blessing for us,
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probably curse for listeners. Yes. And that's
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going to be the topic of tonight's episode. Curses.
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Welcome to our podcast, where we take deep dives
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looking at various topics through a paranormal
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lens. Yeah. We're just that good. It's just,
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it's just our thoughts, honestly. Well, cause
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like the, the whole conceit of the podcast is
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like, we always approach most conversations through
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a paranormal lens. So that's all we're doing
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is like, we're going to talk about this and let's
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do it through a paranormal lens. Nothing more.
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This is just how we are. And these are our thoughts.
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If we're feeling motivated, we will do research
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though. Oh, yeah, we do research. We do research.
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I didn't prepare a research for today because
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I'm a slacker. I mean, sounds like you guys watched
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a whole movie on it or whatever. Yeah, I can't
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remember shit. We were going to re -watch the
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film. We were going to have a watch party too
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with you, but we didn't even re -watch it. To
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be honest, the film just came out, so it would
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be kind of shitty of us to spoiler dump this
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whole film, but we will plug A Cursed Man. It
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just came out. You can rent it on... I know for
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sure we rented it on Amazon Prime. I believe
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other places you can rent it as well. Very good
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film. Angela, you want to talk a little bit about...
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Very interesting film. Talk about the film. Spoiler
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free. um i don't know what to say that won't
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spoiler it spoil it well i mean the main the
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main plot like the log line is the guy just goes
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around the world purposely getting cursed and
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seeing what happens so and it talks about whether
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he thinks it's like real or not or if it's like
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all psychological and goes into the science behind
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it like parapsychology and stuff like that it
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was interesting yeah this guy is just i don't
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even know what his stance is still at the end
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Well, you know what it is. You can't say it for
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this recording. Because it will spoil the whole
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ending. We don't do spoilers in this house. And
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we also don't do curses. No, we don't. So that's
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why we were saying before we didn't do our homework
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necessarily. We did basic research. But this
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will be one of those opinion episodes. Not so
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much like how... curse actually works we're saying
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like i was comparing it to like the podcast talking
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about like bombs and like people put a disclaimer
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like we're not telling you how to make a bomb
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we're not going to tell you how much c4 to use
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we're not telling you how much um of your hair
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to put in your spell and we're not telling you
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how to curse people this isn't a how -to this
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is kind of just as i think and you got the inspiration
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angela you you came up with this topic you got
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the inspiration from the film I believe, which
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was literally this guy, to reiterate, this guy
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went around the world saying, I don't know if
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I believe in curses. Can someone curse me? More
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than once. Many times, actually. And then the
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whole film is kind of his psychological journey
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on if he believes that a curse is a legitimate...
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tool right is spiritual warfare you know if that
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is a particularly effective and powerful tool
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that someone can use against another person or
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if it's all psychological unbelief yeah and again
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we are not going to reveal what conclusion he
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came to throughout the course of his film you
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have to go rent and watch a cursed man but now
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we can hear our opinions and if we believe in
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curses I was going to say ad -free, but not ad
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-free. You don't have to pay, but we do get maybe
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two cents for us sharing our two cents. Two cents
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is better than nothing. Yeah. That's the popular
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quote that people put on t -shirts. Two cents
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is better than nothing. Is that actually put
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on t -shirts? I've never seen that before. It's
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actually available right now on beyondtheafterlife
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.com. Anyways, we have in -jokes already. We
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have ads and in -jokes. And this is only the
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third episode. We have a backlog. We barely released
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the first episode already. Time is weird. Anyways,
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we haven't gone around the world. Begging people
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to inflict curses upon us. But being in the paranormal
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field. As long as we have. There's a lot of hateful
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people out there. There's a lot of people. Into
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the darker practices. Into. Even not dark practices.
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Not all curses are inherently bad. Not all of
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it is necessarily bad. Yeah. It's dark when people
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use the curses. use curses for bad intentions,
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which sadly we do know some people who do that.
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They've probably done it to us, but is that real
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or is it not? You think you are cursed? You know
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who I'm talking about. But... No one else...
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You can't drop a bombshell like that. But this
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is just her opinion. But everyone listening to
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this is like, what the hell are you talking about,
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Angela? You've said three words this entire podcast
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and they are, I am cursed. You know who I'm talking
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about. I'm saying I might be... Someone may have
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tried to put a curse on me and I wouldn't be
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surprised if they did. But... But I also don't
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know for sure. Okay. I'll do the... the business
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of explaining the context here, but then I have
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a lot of follow -up questions for you, Angela.
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Yeah. So, long story short, there was an individual
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eight years ago when we started that we crossed
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paths with that does dabble in curses and darker
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things. And like Angela said, Not all curses
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are inherently bad. It comes down to intent.
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This person's intent is bad and hateful. This
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is a hateful person we haven't even talked to
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or let alone investigated with this person in
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years, years at this point. Just one of those
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people, for every one hateful and negative person
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in the paranormal field, there's a thousand good
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people. But this person... constantly post on
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their social media about their curses that they
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inflict on others their curses involve bodily
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fluids um where it is actually a uh well known
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and dates back there's a lot of like hoodoo uh
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rituals and curses that kind of incorporate this
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as well they will urinate in a mason jar and
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just infuse their urine with the most hateful
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angry they take it out every night and they scream
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in it and then um after a week when their house
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is infested with flies they will bury the um
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jar of their own urine and they also maybe put
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some belongings or things they associate with
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an individual they're trying to curse um in there
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as well and uh then they obsessively stalk the
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person and every tiny thing is then brought back
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to the jar of their own urine that they screamed
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into for a week. Yeah. Is this really how we
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want to start off this episode? Yes, it totally
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should be. I mean, because that's so... Not the
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direction I anticipated this going in, but alas,
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here we are. Now, like I said, there's various
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traditions and beliefs that incorporate... bodily
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fluids, your own bodily fluids in a ritual. In
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the case of using urine, it is common. There's
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a lot of hoodoo beliefs, like I said, and other,
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you know, others as well, that essentially you're
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demeaning the person, you know, pissing on them,
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you know, they're not, it's dehumanizing them.
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It's instilling that intent in two. the ritual
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with the intent of causing harm. Mm -hmm. Anything
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anyone has to add about this, or should we just...
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No, let's just go on. We said all we thought
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about it. Okay. So, anyways, that's the context
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to which why Angela thinks this person that she
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encountered years ago that has a habit of doing
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this to... I mean, this person, like, their neighbors
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will come home. playing music a little too loud
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and suddenly they're cursed so that's why angela
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thinks this person may have cursed them but the
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point is no i know i follow you need to establish
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this so there's a person that you know angela
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or that you had a couple run -ins with in the
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past encounters yes yeah you encounter this person
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that has a habit of using these ancient traditions
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and rituals and curses to infuse pain and to
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dehumanize others. Even if this person peed in
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a jar for you. Yes. That sounds very honoring
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when you put it that way. Even if this person
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sat down and said, I'm going to curse Angela.
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Does that work? Well, that's the thing. Does
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a curse only work if they believe that they're
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cursing you? Have you seen any indication in
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your own life that might be like, I got cursed?
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Or is it just you saying, this person has a habit
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of cursing others, they might have cursed me?
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Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, does a
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curse even work if you believe as well? I don't
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know if I believe in it. I think a lot of it
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is psychological, honestly. Just because that
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one person believes it, how can it affect the
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other person if they don't believe it? Because,
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well, I mean, I guess that can be different for
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each person. But I view it as like, kind of like
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manifestation, you know? your thoughts and ideas
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if you try to manifest that happening that's
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going to be your ideas you're going to take steps
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consciously or subconsciously to make that those
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things happen you know that's practically what
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manifestation is it's a very more psychological
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science type thing it's not no woohoo shit like
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a lot of people think it is i don't think so
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at least and i think that can also go into like
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curses too that person is putting having these
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ideas so maybe that person is subconsciously
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trying to is subconsciously trying to make these
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steps to make that person's life miserable you
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know what i mean but like how is that possible
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because i don't associate with that person have
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nothing to do with that person i don't give a
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fuck about that person how can their attentions
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impact me when like the person's out of my way
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if you know what i mean yeah i kind of i kind
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of agree with what you're saying because like
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i don't necessarily believe that if someone puts
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a curse on you that that is real that that is
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what is going to happen I'm sorry. I'm playing
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tug of war with my dog at the same time. Otherwise,
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she's just going to bark at me. But anyways.
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Just like it's an apt metaphor for the spiritual
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tug of war of love and light versus dark and
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evil. So when I look at this from my perspective
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of growing up being religious, it makes me think
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of the power of prayer. The power of prayer holds
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a lot to it. But it's really putting your intentions
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out there. thinking positively like praying for
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the best for that person wishing them well and
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like it like i have seen some impacts in my life
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where that has to an extent worked is it because
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of the power of prayer is it because of other
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things i'm not sure but um i think it's putting
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that intention out there and if enough people
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believe in it that that holds some energy yeah
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like we believe like being ghost hunters and
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being in the paranormal field we believe in energies
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like we talked we've talked about vibes before
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and other things we believe in the power of energies
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so to think of putting energies out there that
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are either positive or in some circumstances
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negative i think if there is enough of that energy
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put forward that it could become an actual thing
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but like you were saying angela if you don't
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have that belief if you're not putting your thoughts
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and energy into believing in it you don't think
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it's real then i don't think you're going to
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feel an effect from it exactly because it's like
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um i don't remember who was talking about this
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and their mindset was curses it's like to make
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a curse real that person needs to know about
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it it needs to get under their skin for it to
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actually happen you know what i mean and that's
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kind of what i was getting at like yeah is there
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any indication in your life that you were actually
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cursed or were you just throwing that out as
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like a joke that turned into a whole thing because
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we had to explain it to all the listeners i guess
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that i mean i don't i never really had anything
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happen where i was like shit I'm cursed, you
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know, nothing bad happened. I mean, she, geez,
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I step on a piece of glad and bump my head in
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the same week. And now it was like, what the
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fuck is this all about having bad luck day? But
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that's not no curse. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Yeah. As Brie said, being ghost hunters. Sorry,
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I was giggling. I just love the idea of like
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starting sentences now with like being ghost
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hunters, being ghost hunters. We've encountered
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a lot of anomalous energies. I'm just, oh, like,
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what if, like, what's a good brand? I mean, how
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else do you put it? No, no, I, no, I'm not making
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fun. I'm just saying, like, I love it. Like,
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it's, I'm picturing, like, the movie scene, like,
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where it's, like, not even, or, like, a shitty,
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like, YouTube video or something where they cut
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to, like, the paid ad in the middle where it's,
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like, them doing a native ad and, like, being
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ghost hunters. We have a lot of sleepless unrest
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at night. That's why we tried Monster Energy
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Drink. It could actually be ghost energy drinks,
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not monster. Well, no, that's a good point. Why
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is hunting for energy drinks late at night in
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a convenience store no different than looking
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for ghosts in a cemetery? Think about it. Ooh,
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I see some ghosts over there. Wait, wait, wait.
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Guys, there's a monster. No, there's a ghost!
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Ghost energy drinks. You can't say monsters,
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there's ghosts. Unless you're cryptic hunting,
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then you can say monster. You grab one out of
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the fridge, here Bree, catch a ghost! Exactly.
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But hey, I mean, the thing with that is, is that
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in energy drink hunting, is you can actually
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find a tangible item, whereas in ghost hunting,
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that is not always, like, never the case. Unless
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it's cryptic hunting. Well, I was talking about
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ghost hunting, not cryptid hunting, Angela. Well,
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taking it back to curses, it is interesting that
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it's like, you need a tangible tether to it.
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And it's kind of interesting, going back on a
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more serious note, using pieces of yourself or
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the person you intend to curse. And that can
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go both ways, too. I mean, when you want to manifest
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something good. What was that look, Bree? I just
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realized that, sorry, I'm using my microphone
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and I've used my headphones in the past to be
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able to hear you guys. I've been wearing my headphones
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this whole time. You took them out to hear us?
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No, I can hear you guys without the headphones.
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I'm very confused. How does that work? Is my
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microphone working? Yeah, we can hear you. But
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are you hearing me through my microphone or are
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you? Yes. Yes. No. Yeah. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah.
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No, no, no. Yes. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. No,
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it's a hundred percent your microphone. Okay.
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I don't understand how I'm hearing you guys then,
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but it's fine. I'm not going to question it.
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I'm just going to take out my headphones. Weird.
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Very weird. So now you guys can't talk shit about
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me. You're learning something different each
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time. I'm not learning anything. I don't know
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what happened. Anywho, Angela said this wasn't
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woo -woo, but I think it is a little woo -woo
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when you address the woo -woo in the room. No,
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no, what I'm about to get at is getting woo -woo.
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And that is, we were kind of talking about intent
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and... energy um and when one person intends
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to curse and inflict harm on another regardless
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if that person that they're intending to inflict
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harm on is aware of the curse or not if they
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are a genuinely and consistently positive person
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that is doing you know spiritual work and kind
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of like what we do i mean we don't do a lot of
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witchcraft per se but we do ground ourselves
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we do protect ourselves we each have our own
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different ways of protection right be it prayer
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or like a crystal or you know something we do
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grounding we do this stuff often yeah we are
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in tune to negative feelings you know strong
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feelings um if if you just look at it like that
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like bad energy comes to attack positive energy
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what's stronger I don't know. I mean, I guess
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it, if, I mean, I feel like maybe both are equal,
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honestly. They can be, but I think what maybe
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you are trying to get at is like the power of
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intent determines how strong it is. I don't know
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if that makes sense. So what I was like, just
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wondering is like, is hate stronger than positivity?
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just natively but they're just equal and just
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how much of it do you have i mean here's the
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thing there can't be a god without the devil
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i mean i feel like it's just equal to a certain
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extent there's going to be bad there's going
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to be good there's going to be they're going
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to hit each other at the same level yeah i feel
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like that's my opinion personally like you want
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to think that good will always win but that's
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not always the case that's why there's some people
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would say there's a spiritual warfare out there
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yeah No, that makes sense. You can kind of look
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at it like two buckets of water. It's the same
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water, but one has more in it, so it's heavier,
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and it overflows, and you're drowning. Yeah.
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I don't understand that way. You don't understand
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the bucket method of communicating. I think I
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just nodded in agreement, like, yeah, that makes
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sense, but also I feel like I totally didn't
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understand what you were saying. But it's the
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well -known fucking method. It might make sense
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to other people, though. I don't think that's
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a thing, Ben. It is, on beyondtheafterlife .com,
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where I buy my merch and t -shirts and afterlife
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retirement services for haunted locations that
22:07
are over -investigated. Anyways. Wait. Where
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is this? Never mind. What? I'm just confused
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where you're getting this from. Were you on last
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week's podcast? Yes. What am I missing? You don't
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sound sure about this. I was, but I don't remember
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this. Oh, my God. Okay. You might be cursed.
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Hey, shush it. I mean, it is kind of funny that
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you can never remember what we're actually talking
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about for the podcast until, like, an hour before.
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You're like, what are we talking about again?
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I can't. I can't. Angela says, we're talking
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about curses. And then, like, every day for,
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like, a week, she's like, can't wait to talk
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about curses. Can't wait to talk about curses.
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Then we go to record. What are we talking about
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again? What are we talking about? Oh, God, it
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makes it look like I'm so fucking stupid. No,
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it makes you look cursed. It's frustrating how
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I don't remember this stuff because it makes
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me look stupid. We still love you, Angela. It's
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okay. Thank you. At least you got rid of your
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mysterious papers. Oh, God. You remember that.
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And then I posted a snippet from the first one
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we just did. Post on Instagram. She's like, why
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did you pull the clip of me eating? I'm like
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you were eating throughout the whole episode.
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I was licking my fucking My fingers, but I was
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licking my fingers and all of a sudden I'm just
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looking aimlessly into the camera with one finger
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in my mouth Well, here's the thing Don't do that
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when someone's saying something that's you know
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is like a good if and that was like mid -sentence
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I like started it so if like a sentence begins
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and you're like this is a great thought and might
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pull this for an Instagram real cuz it's like
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clear can I know what you think is great and
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what What isn't great when someone says something
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really good. It's not about peeing in jars I
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think that's really good. When we're talking
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about urinating in mason jars, then you lick
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all the fingers you want. But when Brianna's
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talking about the power of prayer and good versus
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evil, get your hands out of your mouth and pay
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attention. I can't. I can't. Oh my god. Anyways,
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so I feel like we should maybe go back on topic.
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I don't know where we went or how we got here.
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Listen, so here's the thing about curses. I think,
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and this might be a hot take, but I think too
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often than not on witch talk, hashtag witch talk,
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curses and... Gotta love witch talk. Yeah, but
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there's a good and a bad side to all social media.
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I feel like people that curse and... People in
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the witch community and people in the paranormal
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community will attest. Most people that curse
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and manifest and do stuff, like 98 .99999 % of
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them aren't doing it with any bad intent or a
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hateful intent. However, things like TikTok and
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Facebook and these algorithms, they amplify controversial
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and hateful. speech right so i feel like they
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glorify the hate in it because there there's
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a lot i do come across um witch talk once in
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a while when there's this constant those type
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of videos coming through and it's just like a
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lot of them there's a good amount where it comes
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through and it's like oh how to hacks and curse
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that yeah that bitch that did you wrong type
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of thing you know what i mean yes okay cool i
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like to hear the information how you're doing
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it but like why keep that to yourself maybe yeah
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and it's just it's just like i feel like it's
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like a way these people are able to these hateful
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people are able to use to game the system essentially
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use the algorithms and use their knowledge of
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witchy stuff and neocult to essentially get away
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with saying things that would normally go against
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community guidelines like if they just make a
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tiktok rant saying I hate this person so much
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and I did this to them and I encourage all you
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to do blah blah to the acts that did you dirty
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and here's steps how to do it, it would get flagged
26:48
immediately for hate speech or whatever. But
26:51
then if you just frame it like that, you know
26:53
they're hateful in real life and they're actually
26:57
doing it with the intention to cause harm. It
26:59
somehow gets past the system. Yep. Interesting
27:04
how that works. Most of these people need therapy
27:05
instead of... hexes yeah that's just my hot take
27:13
that like they hateful voices are amplified when
27:17
in reality most of most of what we're talking
27:22
about isn't coming out of with that ill intent
27:26
or place of bad intent and As people will probably
27:31
tell you, it takes a lot out of you to actually
27:34
accurately curse them. Like if you actually want
27:36
to curse someone, you need to get to a place
27:39
of so much hate and desire to do harm. That's
27:46
not healthy. People are always cursing. There's
27:50
very few people probably out there that are constantly
27:53
cursing people, like actually cursing people.
27:58
you never know there might be a lot like i just
28:01
maybe i just can't picture like how do you get
28:03
to that point where you have that much like hate
28:06
inside of you we were able to get to that place
28:08
where you infuse that much negativity you know
28:13
because just picture you guys focusing on an
28:17
object a singular object and every day infusing
28:22
it with the most hate and desire to cause an
28:26
individual harm Like a specific, like get specific.
28:30
Specific object, specific things you recite,
28:33
like mantras in your head, specific people that
28:37
you want to do specific things to. Imagine getting
28:40
to that. How is that healthy? It's like instead
28:45
of putting that hate into it and trying to cause
28:49
harm to someone while cursing, why don't you
28:51
put that energy into it for them to... for that
28:55
person that did you wrong to come to a realization
28:59
of what they did someday instead of wishing them
29:02
like death or harm or you know what i mean yeah
29:07
like put that energy into hoping that someday
29:12
that person will come to a realization what happened
29:16
and how that person hurt you in your life instead
29:20
you know what i mean yeah I guess what I'm getting
29:23
at, too, is karma. Why would someone want anyone
29:25
dead? I know. There's karma to it. When someone
29:30
is just existing, no matter what they did to
29:36
you, what you're doing is objectively worse,
29:39
based on the intent, of course. But if the intent
29:43
is to cause severe harm, I mean, it's questionable
29:46
and debatable. Subjectively, they may have...
29:50
cause quote serious harm to you and that's why
29:52
you're doing this curse but still objectively
29:54
the curse is probably going to be worse so do
29:58
you guys believe in karma because a lot of people
29:59
believe when you curse someone i do believe in
30:02
karma i think what goes around comes around yeah
30:06
absolutely i think so too there's a lot of things
30:10
too I see on like witch talk too when it comes
30:12
up on my for you page it's like go talk to the
30:15
trees about what happened or this person did
30:18
wrong to you and then they'll make sure they
30:20
take care of it yeah I don't know if I believe
30:24
that but I think that's just a really cute thing
30:26
I feel like so I feel like we're also talking
30:31
about curses and like you said and we've said
30:34
we we have nothing to do with like have taken
30:39
part in curses know how did they work anything
30:42
like that I feel like um we also because we aren't
30:48
involved in that sort of community and we don't
30:50
do those sorts of things is we also don't see
30:55
how it could because I know sometimes curses
31:00
and other things along those lines can be um
31:05
revolve around some cultures and i feel like
31:08
we're also like our conversation is a little
31:10
narrow -minded because we yes we have experience
31:12
with one person who has has done curses but we
31:17
don't know how that's what that's like in a different
31:21
situation or a different true yeah because yes
31:27
in our brains what society is us curses are wrong
31:31
curses are bad curses are evil but Also, in other
31:35
cultures, they can mean a different thing. Yeah.
31:38
Absolutely. It's like, what we're talking about
31:40
is mainly just our experiences. Yeah. So, you
31:46
know. This isn't anything against people who
31:49
do those sorts of things. Like we said, there's
31:53
also different types of curses, too, you know.
31:55
Exactly. And this is a nuance, too, that, like,
31:58
the TikTok videos don't, you don't get nuance.
32:03
Like Angela said, here's a hex to curse your
32:08
ex. That's like a little slogan that just gets
32:12
amplified. That's rooted in some culture that's
32:16
just totally taken out of context. And not all
32:19
people can do all curses too. No, absolutely.
32:23
You can't just Google a random curse and just
32:26
it works. It's not just words that you say out
32:29
loud. Yeah. So I, I don't know where I was going
32:37
with that, but like, I feel like with also what
32:40
we're saying is we're still also open -minded
32:44
about that side of things and not condoning or
32:49
condemning anyone on either side. No, I don't,
32:53
I don't think I'm not coming at anything with
32:55
a condoning or condemning. I'm just saying when
32:59
it comes to intent. When it comes to intent,
33:02
intent is very important. Yeah. What's going
33:07
to beat out the other? And it seems like when
33:11
it comes down to the legitimacy of a curse, not
33:16
if a curse is real or if the curse is coming
33:21
from a place of good intent, bad intent, a place
33:25
of culture and tradition, like all that is. I
33:30
don't think what I'm trying to get is like, if
33:33
for me, the person that could be subject to a
33:37
curse, does my belief matter? Yeah. So, and yeah,
33:46
I don't know. Cause like, like I was saying from
33:49
my, like, I think it's based on intent, but also
33:54
if you don't, it's, it's a very, very shadowy
34:00
spot or gray spot because i'm like yes it should
34:04
it is based on intent but also like i don't know
34:10
it's because i don't i feel like if someone has
34:14
the intent to curse you and you don't believe
34:20
in it like that can hold power but also at the
34:23
same time there's that possibility it doesn't
34:26
i don't know It's unknown ground to me. But I
34:31
guess I also don't know that I've ever been cursed,
34:34
so I wouldn't know. Well, there you go. Intent
34:36
and belief. How would you really know if it's
34:38
curses like a real thing other than just intense
34:41
and psychological type of thing? I guess you
34:46
won't really ever know unless you try to get
34:48
into it and do some yourself or if you know for
34:51
a fact someone tried to do it to you. I don't
34:54
know. I don't know. There's people who will swear
34:57
by it, but... I think we keep just looping back
35:03
to the same thing. I think this is one of the
35:07
very rare things that we just agree on. Yeah.
35:12
We just don't know. No one has any more or less
35:17
of an opinion on the topic, and we all agree
35:20
there's some combination of intent and belief
35:22
in terms of... if you can be affected by a curse
35:26
and ultimately i i guess that that's the question
35:30
right we're not here to answer if curses are
35:32
real or not or how to curse or what is a curse
35:36
and should you curse or what's right what's wrong
35:39
i think we agree that having the intent to k
35:44
-i -l -l or cause severe harm there's going to
35:48
be some karma that comes back to bite you in
35:50
the butt let's just put it like that right so
35:53
And that a lot of the hateful intent is just
35:56
amplified in social media. But if a curse doesn't
36:01
work on you because you don't believe in it,
36:05
then is the curse even effective? That's true.
36:11
I mean, think about it like this, and this is
36:13
just conjecture, but if the person that is cursing
36:16
gets closure out of doing said curse, regardless
36:20
if it works on you or not. did it work did they
36:24
get out of it what they wanted to that's true
36:26
that's a valid point that's a very valid point
36:28
but again that goes into intent if their intent
36:31
is i'm gonna curse this person so that they like
36:35
if they get really specific they're like i want
36:37
this person to go bankrupt by the end of 2029
36:42
and then they don't then that curse isn't real
36:49
But, like, if it's, like, again, there's so many
36:52
variables here that we can't, especially with
36:56
our limited knowledge, we can't make a sweeping
36:59
statement on if these things are real or not,
37:02
just how we would react to being in a situation
37:05
where curses are very much real to others in
37:09
the room. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So. I would think
37:17
it would be very interesting to hear from anyone
37:20
who may know more than us or has experienced
37:25
some of these things, what their opinions are,
37:29
and maybe even tell us some things that we don't
37:34
know. True. I want to become more knowledgeable
37:39
in it, to be honest. do that type of stuff or
37:44
not. I just want to be more knowledgeable. You
37:47
want to be able to curse? No, not necessarily.
37:51
I want to be knowledgeable in it. For what purpose?
37:56
Why not? Just because we're in this space and
38:01
there's an area that has this newfound inspiration.
38:07
When you're into the paranormal and stuff, I
38:10
feel like anything that's all... weird and supernatural
38:13
type of stuff could be just be could come in
38:19
handy you know no matter what and you know if
38:22
you're more knowledgeable knowledgeable about
38:25
it and you know how to prepare about more things
38:27
you know yeah um i also do recommend everyone
38:31
watch a cursed man um that's available to rent
38:35
uh currently um definitely on amazon probably
38:39
other places as well, we'll update the show notes
38:41
with a more accurate how -to -watch guide for
38:46
that film. Would any of you do that, though,
38:51
kind of as we move into the wrap -up? Would you
38:54
intentionally get cursed? No. So there is belief
39:03
in curses. Yeah, to me, I feel like... I feel
39:08
like there's a certain extent of belief in it
39:12
because it's almost like the belief of not knowing
39:19
and the fear of if it is real. So, like, I don't
39:26
believe that a curse could hold any power over
39:30
me. But also at the same time, I have the fear
39:33
of what if it does. Yes, that. So in that extent,
39:39
I would not purposely or seek out to... Yeah.
39:47
Yeah. I'm just thinking back to how we were,
39:52
like how we have recently made changes and stuff
39:55
like that. If we were where we were before, I
40:02
feel like I would have just said, fuck it. Yeah.
40:05
i will i will just purposely get cursed but now
40:10
i have more clarity and things i got the right
40:14
people in my life and stuff i know what's more
40:18
important and stuff i would now i would say like
40:21
no you know what i mean like like yeah there
40:27
is harm in this world and i don't need to actually
40:31
that out when i want to find out if that's if
40:35
it's true or not you know yeah as we the world's
40:40
terrible enough we don't need that impacting
40:42
our lives yep i think that's a really good sentiment
40:46
too to kind of have this kind of and i'm kind
40:49
of like with the possession tape you know people
40:51
come in thinking we're talking about possession
40:53
and sensationalized but we're just ending on
40:55
a note of like hope and positivity um What I
41:01
was getting at was like kind of like with that
41:03
bucket analogy that no one understood earlier.
41:07
Negativity and positivity. It's the same water,
41:10
right? So whether you find proof that you need,
41:16
you know, in terms of what's out there, is there
41:19
supernatural activity out there? Is there paranormal
41:21
activity? Are there ghosts, right? Whatever that
41:24
is that you need to seek out to get that proof
41:28
for you. to get the answers you need right now,
41:33
whether you get those answers through positive
41:36
things or negative things, it's the same water.
41:41
It's just a different intent, right? So we don't
41:44
want to get our answers from that negative bucket.
41:48
We want to go to the positive bucket. And it's
41:50
going to be just as impactful and just as meaningful
41:53
of an answer as the negative one. Yeah. Yeah.
42:02
Yep. I think that's a great way to put it. So
42:06
that's been a fun episode of looking at water
42:09
through a paranormal lens. Water? Yeah. I feel
42:14
like this episode had too much to do with buckets
42:17
of water and jars of urine. Both of those topics
42:22
were only brought up by you. Actually, one of
42:26
them by Angela. Okay, but you further explained
42:29
it. I had to. You can't just, like, say I've
42:32
been cursed. Like, this is an episode about curses,
42:35
and Angela just, like, in the first minute was
42:37
like, I might have been cursed by someone, ha
42:39
ha ha, and then just, like, didn't. You have
42:41
to explain that. I mean, I guess. What would
42:48
have happened if we didn't explain it? Like,
42:50
that's not even an in -joke. That's just, like...
42:53
People would be curious and then they would have
42:56
to... I don't know. I feel like they'd be curious
42:59
and then it'd be a more reason why they just
43:03
keep listening to us. True. We should have saved
43:06
it for the end. Gotta keep a cliffhanger. You
43:09
know what I mean? One year from now, we'll release
43:12
the curse tapes. There's one thing every year
43:17
that we just hold on to. Last year, you watched
43:20
Ben get possessed. This year, you watch Angela
43:24
get cursed. Next year, you find out who won the
43:28
tug -of -war match between Brianna and her dog.
43:32
Gotta stay tuned for a whole year to figure that
43:34
out. The tug -of -war tapes coming in 2027. Jesus.
43:41
Oh, goodness. No. You mean 2026? Nope, because
43:46
that's two years from now. Huh? Next year's a
43:51
curse tape. The year after that is a tug -of
43:53
-war tape. Gosh, I see what you mean. The year
43:57
currently is... Are you okay, Angela? I just
44:00
don't see why we can't release all of it in the
44:03
same year. Gotta hold the suspense, that's why.
44:08
Sure, we'll go with that. Damn. I'm like... I
44:13
see you guys on Zoom in my... Like, face -to
44:17
-face right now, but I don't even know who won
44:20
the Toggle War still. Like, I was watching it,
44:24
but I don't even know. Like, I just... I can't
44:28
wait two years for it, okay? I can't wait two
44:30
years for it. That was the longest bleep anyone
44:42
has ever heard. Oh, gosh. Which, it's funny,
44:48
I was thinking about, like, what to say at the
44:49
setup of this episode, and I was gonna, like,
44:51
just start, like, cursing. Like, f***, s***,
44:54
b***h. But then, like, make a comment about,
44:57
like, this episode needs a lot of beeps. But
45:00
I didn't say that, and it would've come full
45:02
circle if I did. Because we ended on one big
45:06
-ass, motherf***ing, a**hole, s***y beep. And
45:13
none of that's getting beeped. Oh my god. Actually,
45:18
I might. I might. Maybe you should. Okay. While
45:22
you're at it, bleep out my mind then too. Your
45:26
what? My curses. I only cursed a few times. Do
45:31
I have to bleep out all curses? This is an episode
45:34
entitled Curses. Yes, you have to bleep out all
45:36
curses in this episode. Even the urine shit?
45:42
Yes. Should I just bleep out the word urine?
45:47
I mean, that's not a curse word. I know, but
45:50
it's a word associated with a curse. No. It would
45:54
just be like jars of bleep. That would be such
45:58
a mystery to everyone then. Don't bleep that
46:03
part out. We have control. Everything we say
46:08
is on the record, but we can also... bleeps certain
46:11
things. Like, this is raw, though, what we're
46:14
doing. We're f***ing... Oh, s***. F***. I'm not
46:19
even doing this on purpose. I don't believe you.
46:23
I think we should wrap while we're still ahead.
46:27
Yeah. Better stop before things stay on stagnant
46:30
over here. Gonna end this Zoom. Gonna get dark,
46:36
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46:40
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46:45
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46:58
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