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The Lasting Legacy Of Lois Lane · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha home stuff. I never
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Speaker 1: told you, protected by I hurant you.
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Speaker 2: And today we are so excited to once again be
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Speaker 2: joined by a friend of the show, contributor to the show,
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Speaker 2: fellow nerd, if you don't mind me saying yeah, no, yeah,
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Speaker 2: which is exciting because what you're here to talk about
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Speaker 2: is very nerdy. We are joined by Joey Patts, who
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Speaker 2: has brought a topic you've mentioned before discussing and I'm
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Speaker 2: really excited to learn more. But today we are talking
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Speaker 2: about a character you really enjoy, Lois Lane.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Hello, thanks for having me back, and yes, I
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Speaker 3: am back to talk about superheroes again.
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Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And I came to y'all with this. I was like,
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Speaker 3: new Superman movie is coming out. I love Lois Lane.
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Speaker 3: She is one of my favorite DC characters. I think
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Speaker 3: she was super underrated, and I think she's a really
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Speaker 3: cool character to talk about, particularly when you're talking about
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Speaker 3: like women in science fiction and like kind of nerdy
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Speaker 3: media and the good and the bad of that.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, excited to chat about that.
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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to learn about it. I as a kid,
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Speaker 2: I Superman and X Men were like the two comics.
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Speaker 2: I really yes, yeah, And I consumed a lot of
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Speaker 2: Superman media and I always loved to Loistlane too. But
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Speaker 2: I feel like you're going to really educate me on
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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that I don't know, because I
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Speaker 2: believe you brought up an iteration I had never heard about,
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Speaker 2: probably because.
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Speaker 3: I was I'll start with I saying like, I grew
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Speaker 3: up watching a lot of the like Justice League and
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Speaker 3: like Superman cartoons, and it's interesting looking back because I
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Speaker 3: always like loved her as a character. I was, like,
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Speaker 3: I love Superman when I was a kid, I was
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Speaker 3: a big Supergirl fan. But like, I think Lois is
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Speaker 3: a character I've always liked her. She really grew on me,
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Speaker 3: like the last couple of years. Part of that is
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Speaker 3: as a working journalist now, I think some of it
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Speaker 3: is definitely ego. But I think recently, particularly some of
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Speaker 3: the most like some of the Superman stories from like
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Speaker 3: the past ten fifteen years, have done a really good
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Speaker 3: job of highlighting our character, which I'm going to get into.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, there recently was this new Superman movie and
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Speaker 3: I saw it last week with friend of the show fellow.
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Speaker 1: iHeart person care from.
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Speaker 3: It can happen here, which is also super fun going
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Speaker 3: to see it with somebody who's like equally as comic
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Speaker 3: book obsessed, and I felt a little less annoying being like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, it's that thing that yeah, But I.
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Speaker 1: Was super high good in this movie.
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Speaker 3: I love Dan's gunn I love the Guardians of the
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Speaker 3: Galaxy movies and like, you know, the Scoopy Doo movies too,
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Speaker 3: throw back to that amazing films. But I was really
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Speaker 3: excited again, I love Superman. I this is a character
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Speaker 3: I think, especially like the possible years, I've really gotten
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Speaker 3: more into, and also like when the trailer came out
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Speaker 3: and definitely like some of the press around, they were
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Speaker 3: definitely talking about how they wanted to have like a
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Speaker 3: very hopeful fun tone to this movie, which I think
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Speaker 3: they really nailed. As I'm sure you can assume from
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Speaker 3: like the Fox News meltdowns about it.
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Speaker 1: That has been fun.
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Speaker 3: That has been fun to I like, actually, it's funny.
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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this because I was just on
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Speaker 3: another prior to the show, other show I work on
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Speaker 3: The Arnold Girls on the Internet last week with bridget Todd,
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Speaker 3: and I did at one point it was relevant to
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Speaker 3: the story we were talking about. But I went on
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a ran about why I really
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Speaker 3: do not like the Iron Man movies and I don't
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Speaker 3: think they hold up.
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Speaker 1: And I was like there was something watching.
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Speaker 3: This movie and like walking out of it and being like, Oh,
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Speaker 3: we're in like a new era of like superhero movies,
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Speaker 3: and that I think makes me very happy. But the
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Speaker 3: main thing that I think I was really excited about
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Speaker 3: for this movie was the cast.
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Speaker 1: I think they cast it phenomenally. Annie. You mentioned x
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Speaker 1: Men before two.
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Speaker 3: Nicholas Holt, who is also in the X Men movies,
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Speaker 3: plays Lex Luthor in this He he was phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: He might have been my favorite part of the movie.
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Speaker 3: Honestly, he's such a phenomenal actor. But also they cast
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Speaker 3: Rachel Brosdahan as Leis Lane, and I love Rachel Brosihan.
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Speaker 3: I love marvelous missus masl I thought it was a
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Speaker 3: great TV show.
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Speaker 1: I think she.
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Speaker 3: Has a really magnetic screen presence, and I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 3: this is perfect. That is absolutely Lois Lane. This is
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Speaker 3: gonna be so good because, like I said, Lewis Lane
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Speaker 3: is one of my favorite DC characters. Not just like
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Speaker 3: I like this character, like she is if I was
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Speaker 3: to say, like my top five DC characters, she would
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Speaker 3: definitely be up there.
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Speaker 4: Have you watched the old versions of Superman with Margaret Kidder?
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Speaker 3: I watched the like the like the Christopher Eves, like
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Speaker 3: seventies ones when I was a kid.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will be so real.
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Speaker 3: I do not remember them as well, but I know
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Speaker 3: I watched them at one point.
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Speaker 1: There were like bits and pieces. I love Mark Kidder.
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Speaker 4: She was one of my favorites.
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Speaker 1: Like she was just She's phenomenal.
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Speaker 4: She was one of those that was unconventionally like not
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Speaker 4: what you would have expected to play the like that lady.
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Speaker 1: But she was also really feisty.
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Speaker 4: In that level of like being the journalist who was
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Speaker 4: in your face.
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Speaker 1: So I just wondered if you had like, absolutely no,
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Speaker 1: that's something I'm gonna get into too.
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Speaker 3: I think looking at this character, it's really interesting to
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Speaker 3: see how like consistently she's been written as being like
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Speaker 3: she's been played by some phenomenal actress that There have
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Speaker 3: been a couple of adaptations.
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Speaker 1: Of her that I have not liked. But for the
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Speaker 1: most part, I think, like, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Gonna get into the in a moment, but I think
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Speaker 3: like when it comes to specifically like the kind of
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Speaker 3: superhero girlfriend trope. She's one of the characters that she's
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Speaker 3: one of the few characters in that trope I will
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Speaker 3: really like go to bat for because yeah, it like
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Speaker 3: we're talking about comic books, we're talking about like nerd media,
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Speaker 3: nerd culture stuff, which I'm sure I'm preaching to the
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Speaker 3: choir here, but historically has not been the best towards
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Speaker 3: women in those stories and also historically has been very
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Speaker 3: like male character dominated. And I see a lot of
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Speaker 3: ways where you can write I mean not even it's
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Speaker 3: not even an imaginary question. There are plenty of instances
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Speaker 3: of characters that are written as just like the love
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Speaker 3: interest to the main male character, that are kind of
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Speaker 3: two dimensional, are very clearly like products of the male gays.
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Speaker 3: I think Lewis Lane has been at character that DC
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Speaker 3: has really stepped up and made her this really well
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Speaker 3: red character in her own right, because I would say,
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Speaker 3: I think the way that Lois Lane is portrayed is
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Speaker 3: the thing to me that makes her breaks a Superman story,
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Speaker 3: because she's like, she's literally like the foil him. She's
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Speaker 3: next on the call sheet, next important to him when
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Speaker 3: you're telling this story. So she also has to be
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Speaker 3: this really strong, compelling character, and I think this most
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Speaker 3: recent movie did a fantastic job of that. So pulling
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Speaker 3: back a little bit, taking a step back, I'm putting
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Speaker 3: my media studies professor had on.
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Speaker 1: For a little bit because I think.
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Speaker 3: In order to talk about this character, we need to
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Speaker 3: talk about the superhero genre as a whole, because.
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Speaker 1: Back up for a sec.
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Speaker 3: When you think about it, the whole concept of like
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Speaker 3: what we associate with the superhero genre, all of that
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Speaker 3: stems from Superman. Superman was created in like in nineteen
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Speaker 3: thirty eight, in the nineteen thirties, and this was the
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Speaker 3: first character that was like a superhero like. The superhero
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Speaker 3: genre did not exist before that, and it's called the
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Speaker 3: superhero genre is because he's Superman, like Superman came first.
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Speaker 3: Of course, when we're talking about fiction and literature, I'm
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Speaker 3: of the belief that everything is just a long running
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Speaker 3: cycle of fan fiction of other things.
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Speaker 1: So of course there were things that inspired this beforehand.
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Speaker 3: There were vigilante stories, There were you know, mythology and
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Speaker 3: fantasy and sci fi that this story pulled elements from.
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Speaker 3: But when we think about the idea of like a
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Speaker 3: superhero movie, or a superhero comic book. There's specific elements
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Speaker 3: you associate with that genre. It's like the costume, it
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Speaker 3: is the like secret identity, there's the super villain nemesis.
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Speaker 3: All of these are things that come from Superman. So
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Speaker 3: because of that, Superman is sort of this model for
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Speaker 3: the superhero archetype as a whole. I would say, like
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Speaker 3: the kind of defining golden era of comic book ones
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Speaker 3: are really Superman and Captain America, like pretty much every
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Speaker 3: character since then is an iteration.
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Speaker 1: Of those characters.
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Speaker 3: You could also argue Superman is kind of the top
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Speaker 3: of that pyramid and then everything else came down. But
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Speaker 3: because of that, Leis Lane is kind of the de
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Speaker 3: facto model for what the like superhero love interest character is.
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Speaker 3: She's literally like the first lady of the superhero genre.
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Speaker 3: And as I said, this is not necessarily my favorite
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Speaker 3: arch type. A lot of times this type of character
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Speaker 3: is not written in a way that I really like
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Speaker 3: or feel like. It is written in a very male
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Speaker 3: gaze kind of way. There are you know, like if
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Speaker 3: you I'm thinking of other iconic kind of like the
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Speaker 3: superhero civilian girlfriends, So not like Catwoman or someone like
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Speaker 3: characters that are. They're civilians. They're not like the superpowered character,
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Speaker 3: so like Mary Jane Watson or if you're a Flash fan,
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Speaker 3: than like Iris Wes.
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Speaker 1: Like all of these characters, a lot them. There have
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Speaker 1: been good iterations of them.
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Speaker 3: I really liked the you know, the MCU Spider Man's
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Speaker 3: MJ Watson that they did, But they're not necessarily characters
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Speaker 3: that I would like be like, yeah, no.
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Speaker 1: I love them. They're these well rounded characters.
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Speaker 3: Like a lot of the ways they're portraying in a way
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Speaker 3: that's very misogynistic, and so you would assume because of this,
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Speaker 3: like lowis Lane's sort of being the first, she would
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Speaker 3: be like the epitome of a lot of these tropes.
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Speaker 3: She's also, you know, a character created in nineteen thirty eight,
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Speaker 3: not necessarily the best time for women, but that means
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Speaker 3: that I do think like she is one of the
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Speaker 3: characters of the strope that holds up the best and
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Speaker 3: there's a reason that she still is seen as this
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Speaker 3: very iconic character.
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Speaker 1: Another just quick note.
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Speaker 3: On like the whole the superhero girlfriend trope, DC is notorious,
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Speaker 3: especially for like killing off love interests a lot too.
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Speaker 3: If you know the term like fridging like that literally
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Speaker 3: comes from DC uh, because there.
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Speaker 1: Was like a story I think.
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Speaker 3: It was on like the seventies or eighties, but there's
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Speaker 3: little I think it was like a Green Lantern storyline,
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Speaker 3: one of the Green Lantern characters. There's literally a scene
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Speaker 3: where he comes home and he sees his like dead,
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Speaker 3: his girlfriend is killed, and they like shove her in
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Speaker 3: a fridge and he finds her there.
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Speaker 1: So that's where you get the term fridging, which means
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 3: Like writing off this female character for man pain, and
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Speaker 3: you know she doesn't really exist other than this object.
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Speaker 3: So again I was like, all this just to kind
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Speaker 3: of set the scene as to where we're coming from,
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Speaker 3: which I think is not what you would expect with
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Speaker 3: this character. So going back to Lois My Girl, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna do a quick general biography of the character and
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Speaker 3: like some history of how she's been portrayed over time.
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Speaker 3: I would guess that most people that have consumed American
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Speaker 3: pop culture over the past seventy eighty years are at
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Speaker 3: least somewhat aware of Lois Lay. Like I said, Superman
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Speaker 3: Lois Lane like that is the first couple of the
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Speaker 3: superhero genre as a whole. They're both icons. If you
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Speaker 3: ask your average person, like what do you know about her?
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Speaker 3: There's probably two things they know. One she is Superman's girlfriend,
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Speaker 3: and then two she's a reporter. I would actually put
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Speaker 3: them in the order of number one she's a reporter.
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Speaker 3: Number two she's Superman's girlfriend. But like Clark Kent, Lois
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Speaker 3: Lane debuted in the first ever issue of Action Comics,
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Speaker 3: which is what the Superman comics were originally called, in
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Speaker 3: June nineteen thirty eight. This is a character that is
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Speaker 3: eighty seven years old. She is literally older than my grandmother.
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Speaker 3: And again, like I said, not necessarily the best time
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Speaker 3: to be a woman. But something that I found really
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Speaker 3: interesting was even in this early comic book era, like
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Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties nineteen forties, Lois was always portrayed as
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Speaker 3: super smart, a go getter, and very career oriented, which
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Speaker 3: was not common in that era.
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Speaker 1: You know, this was the Great Depression where.
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Speaker 3: A lot of more women where we're working outside of
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Speaker 3: the home because you know, you had to. And then
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Speaker 3: this was going into World War Two, where you know,
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Speaker 3: you get Rosie the Riveter and a lot of the
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Speaker 3: pushes for women to work to help the more effort.
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Speaker 3: So it wasn't like completely unheard of, but it still
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Speaker 3: was a time where, like the narrative was, your goal
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Speaker 3: as a woman is to settle down and get married,
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Speaker 3: have kids, work if you absolutely have to, but ultimately
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Speaker 3: the goal should be like your husband's providing for you.
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Speaker 3: So I think finding out that that this sort of
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Speaker 3: like career focused like part of her character has always
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Speaker 3: been there. That to me, whether or not the writers
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Speaker 3: were intending that to be the case, that to me
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Speaker 3: feels very radical because now now it's easy to sort
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Speaker 3: of we're on the flip side of it where there's
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Speaker 3: you know, there's like the girl Boss character trope, but
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Speaker 3: we're not talking about like Devil wears Parata type character here.
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Speaker 3: We're talking about like a young woman that is trying
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Speaker 3: to be successful, that is trying to get things done,
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Speaker 3: and that again, nineteen thirties, that was not like a
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Speaker 3: given that.
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Speaker 1: That would be part of her character.
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Speaker 3: Of course, she was not like the first, you know,
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Speaker 3: female character to have a personality in a job, but.
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Speaker 1: So like the character herself.
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Speaker 3: She was originally created by Joe Schuster and Jerry Siegel,
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Speaker 3: where the creators are Superman. She was based on this
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Speaker 3: fictional reporter named. This is the most nineteen thirties fictional
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Speaker 3: reporter name ever. Torchi Blaine is played by Glenda Ferrell
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Speaker 3: in a series of Warner Brothers films, and then she
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Speaker 3: also at one point she's played by a couple different actresses.
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Speaker 3: One of them is named Lola Lane, which is where
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Speaker 3: the name Lois Lane came from.
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Speaker 1: I watched a.
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Speaker 3: Couple of like short clips. It's very nineteen thirties.
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Speaker 1: You know, fast.
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Speaker 3: Talking, hot, you know, curl detective reporter kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: But it was fun. It was fun.
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Speaker 3: Lois Lane, the character is the daughter of Ella and
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Speaker 3: Sam Lane, the latter being a US Army general, and
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Speaker 3: Lois grew up being trained by her father in the
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Speaker 3: kind of typical military dad fashion. Her family moved around
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Speaker 3: a lot and a lot of adaptations. Her mom dies
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Speaker 3: when she's pretty young, so there's kind of this mirroring
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Speaker 3: of with Clark Kent's.
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Speaker 1: Story where he grew up very like isolated.
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Speaker 3: She had sort of a similar thing where she, you know,
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Speaker 3: felt kind of separate from the world around her.
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Speaker 1: In most versions.
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Speaker 3: She also has a sister named Lucy Lane, who had
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Speaker 3: originally appeared in the nineteen fifties.
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Speaker 1: Apparently the lanes.
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Speaker 3: When they were originally introduced, like in the first comics,
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Speaker 3: they were farmers like Clark Ken's parents.
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Speaker 1: They changed just at some point.
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Speaker 3: I would say, probably just because not that many people
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Speaker 3: grow up on farms these days, so you know, it
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Speaker 3: makes sense to not have both of your lead characters
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Speaker 3: grow up on farms. And then also, like I said,
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Speaker 3: her dad is this like major army general, which kind
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Speaker 3: of gives her the backstory of you know why she is,
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Speaker 3: why she's able to fight, you know why she's she
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Speaker 3: She kind of has all of this military backing and
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Speaker 3: training and stuff without actually having to have had a
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Speaker 3: military background.
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Speaker 1: It it gets a nice cheat code for the character.
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Speaker 3: As an adult, Lois is a reporter at the Daily Planet,
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Speaker 3: which is where she meets Clark Kent. And when she
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Speaker 3: and Clark are first introduced, they have a bit of
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Speaker 3: a rivalry. They're both like the hot, young new reporters
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Speaker 3: at the Planet, and they're both very obsessed with this
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Speaker 3: new Superman store that's been popping up. And over time,
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Speaker 3: of course, they become good friends and fall in love
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Speaker 3: and you know, become the iconic couple that they are today.
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Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier in the Golden Age comics in the
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Speaker 3: nineteen forties, Lois is written as being very smart and
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Speaker 3: very career oriented, and something I was kind of surprised
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Speaker 3: to find out was that during this era. In the
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Speaker 3: early comics, she is also written as being the only
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Speaker 3: character that suspects that Clark is Superman, and she helps
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Speaker 3: all these like Zany attempts to try and get him
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Speaker 3: to admit his secret identity.
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Speaker 1: None of them work out. Of course, that was.
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Speaker 3: Something that I honestly thought that was something that had
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Speaker 3: been added to a lot of like the later adaptations,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe or earlier it wasn't. But no, that
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Speaker 3: is something that has always been a part of her character,
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Speaker 3: which makes sense because again she is a She is
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Speaker 3: an investigative reporters. She did at her job obviously, and
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Speaker 3: again depending on the adaptation you're reading, at some point
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Speaker 3: they start dating. Either Lowis figures out that Clark a
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Speaker 3: Superman or Clark tells her. I prefer the former, because, again,
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Speaker 3: brilliant investigative journalists, she knows what she's doing. Also, I
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Speaker 3: find that way funnier if she's like trying to get
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Speaker 3: him to I there's like a running joke and like
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Speaker 3: Superman media where She's always like jumping off of things
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Speaker 3: and like getting clarke to which I.
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Speaker 1: I think that's great.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this goes. She's so determined to be like, no,
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Speaker 3: I'm getting the truth that I'm like, i will throw
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Speaker 3: myself off this building and just be like, let's see
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Speaker 3: what happens, which gets us into of course, especially in
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Speaker 3: earlier comics, there's a number of instances where Lois is
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Speaker 3: captured by like the villain of the week or Lex
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Speaker 3: Luthor or whatever evil bad guy blah blah blah, and
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Speaker 3: Superman asked to go in and save her. And this
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Speaker 3: is where you can be like, that's the misogyny. It's
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Speaker 3: the damsel in distress trope, which I will counter with
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Speaker 3: two things. One, I think, yes, this was a character
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Speaker 3: that you know again, it's the superhero girlfriend character. She,
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Speaker 3: especially when she was early introduced, plays that role. I'll
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Speaker 3: give DC credit where credit is due. They have definitely
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Speaker 3: done less of that over time, Like there's been less
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Speaker 3: of her being portrayed as the stan slone distress and
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Speaker 3: more is like her own character, capable of.
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Speaker 1: Taking care of herself. Again, she has that military training.
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Speaker 3: There are many many adaptations where she is you know
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Speaker 3: they she she knows how to handle a lot of weapons.
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Speaker 3: That that one of my favorite likes. Like DC cartoons,
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Speaker 3: there's a great scene where like she likes sneaks and
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Speaker 3: she's like in the She's she's like in some she's
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Speaker 3: like the White House or something, and she's like trying
19:40
Speaker 3: to get somebody and she just like pulls out this
19:42
Speaker 3: giant gun and I was like, I'm amazing.
19:46
Speaker 1: So yeah, again credit where creds?
19:48
Speaker 3: Do?
19:48
Speaker 1: I think DC has adapted over time.
19:50
Speaker 3: Also, again, look, most of these situations she needs to be.
19:56
Speaker 1: Safe fun from.
19:56
Speaker 3: It's not because she's helpless, but it's because she's doing
20:00
Speaker 3: her job.
20:00
Speaker 1: She is a really good investigative reporter.
20:03
Speaker 3: She's a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter.
20:07
Speaker 1: And look, if.
20:07
Speaker 3: I I'm just saying, if I knew that I had
20:11
Speaker 3: a bulletproof, super strong, flying alien boyfriend that would show
20:15
Speaker 3: up and save me from whatever goofy situation I ended
20:18
Speaker 3: up in, I would maybe take a couple more risks too,
20:22
Speaker 3: maybe break into a couple of government buildings. I mean no,
20:25
Speaker 3: I would never do that, but I get where she's
20:27
Speaker 3: coming from. You know, it's more like you got to
20:29
Speaker 3: use the tools that are in your arsenal right, And
20:33
Speaker 3: that leads me to like one of my favorite things
20:34
Speaker 3: about this character, which i've kind of gotten that again,
20:37
Speaker 3: she's very very brash. She's very go go get it
20:41
Speaker 3: get her. That's not a right go She's a go getter.
20:45
Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to say. She's a go getter,
20:47
Speaker 3: get it, and she is a character that I think
20:52
Speaker 3: like when she's written right, when she's written in a way.
20:56
Speaker 1: That like she has to.
20:58
Speaker 3: Be just like Batch, Loewe's and Clark are the iconic
21:03
Speaker 3: couple that they are because they are both the characters
21:05
Speaker 3: that will run into the burning building to save somebody.
21:09
Speaker 3: The only difference is that Clark is fireproof, and I think,
21:14
Speaker 3: like some of my favorite versions of Lewis Lane, which
21:16
Speaker 3: timing to get into later, a lot of them really
21:19
Speaker 3: mirror the way that Batman is written as a character,
21:21
Speaker 3: which I think is really interesting because they're both these
21:24
Speaker 3: characters that are they're like the humans, They're the non
21:28
Speaker 3: superpowered characters in a world of superhuman beings. They're motivated
21:32
Speaker 3: by this desire to help people and to create a
21:34
Speaker 3: better world and to take down those in power, and
21:38
Speaker 3: because of that, they are the people that will run
21:40
Speaker 3: into the burning building and you know, use their brains
21:44
Speaker 3: to take.
21:44
Speaker 1: Down the bad guy.
21:45
Speaker 3: Like there's a lot of Superman runs where like, yes,
21:51
Speaker 3: I guess technically Superman is Lex Luthor's nemesis, Lois Lane
21:55
Speaker 3: is really the one that he's facing down, like she's
21:58
Speaker 3: the one who's gonna get him in the end.
22:00
Speaker 1: And also, yeah, again I think like she's a character.
22:04
Speaker 3: She's an investigative reporter, similar to the way that Batman,
22:07
Speaker 3: Like my favorite versions of Batman are like when it's
22:09
Speaker 3: really written as a detective story, my favorite Lewis Lane
22:12
Speaker 3: arcs or when it's written as a detective story, so
22:16
Speaker 3: it makes sense they're you know, my two favorite Clark
22:19
Speaker 3: Kent love interests.
22:20
Speaker 1: Of course, what I didn't.
22:23
Speaker 4: Say that.
22:28
Speaker 3: There's some fun like love triangle stuff with the three
22:30
Speaker 3: of them too, which I'm also you know what, I'm like,
22:32
Speaker 3: this could be a challenger situation and anyways, not going
22:40
Speaker 3: on that tangent. Anyways, Clearly I'm not the only one
22:43
Speaker 3: too that thinks that she is this really interesting character
22:47
Speaker 3: in her own regards, because there have been a number
22:49
Speaker 3: of runs that have centered where Lewis Lane has been
22:52
Speaker 3: like the cover character. She's been the she's been the
22:56
Speaker 3: main character like over the years. The first was from
22:58
Speaker 3: nineteen forty four and it was called another incredibly nineteen
23:02
Speaker 3: forty four name Lois Lane, Girl Reporter. It's the same,
23:08
Speaker 3: which is just I don't I'd just sit with that person.
23:11
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm like, they gave her her own run.
23:13
Speaker 3: That's who knows to that Girl Reporter. I don't know
23:18
Speaker 3: about that.
23:19
Speaker 1: But you know they tried.
23:22
Speaker 3: There was another one later on, called Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane,
23:26
Speaker 3: which ran from the late fifties through the mid seventies, which, honestly,
23:30
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a pretty long run for a
23:31
Speaker 3: comic book series. I was like, okay, yeah, like and yeah,
23:35
Speaker 3: this was the pre women's lib era, still starting with
23:39
Speaker 3: Superman's Girlfriend, but you know, I guess it's a step
23:44
Speaker 3: up from Girl Reporter. Maybe there have been a couple
23:49
Speaker 3: more runs where she was at the helmet that for
23:51
Speaker 3: the next couple decades. Most recently, in twenty nineteen, DC
23:54
Speaker 3: published a twelve issue mini series called Lois Lane, written
23:59
Speaker 3: by Gregor who is one of my favorite comical writers.
24:02
Speaker 3: I love the series. It's really great, really leans into
24:06
Speaker 3: it again that like it reads very similar to a
24:09
Speaker 3: Batman comic.
24:11
Speaker 1: It is a detected story.
24:12
Speaker 3: Also, it does open the first couple issues are in Chicago.
24:17
Speaker 1: So there was a little bit of hometown bride there.
24:20
Speaker 3: That series also features Renee Montsoya, who is another one
24:24
Speaker 3: of my favorite underrated DC characters. If you've seen Birds
24:28
Speaker 3: of Prey, that's the Rosie Perez character and that she's iconic.
24:34
Speaker 1: I love her.
24:35
Speaker 3: She also like spends half the series flirting with Lois
24:37
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is you know what beautiful? A
24:43
Speaker 3: big theme of that story too, is like in the background,
24:46
Speaker 3: there's this whole thing about.
24:47
Speaker 4: How like.
24:49
Speaker 3: They there were like pictures leaked of her and Superman kissing,
24:53
Speaker 3: and it's like the double standard of people being like, wow,
24:56
Speaker 3: he would never do that. She's a married woman, but
24:58
Speaker 3: also she's evil curve, how dare she? And like talking
25:03
Speaker 3: about that kind of double standard and it's a It's
25:06
Speaker 3: a good series you're checking out. Would recommend it again.
25:10
Speaker 3: Love Greg Greca. He wrote one of my favorite uh
25:13
Speaker 3: Batwoman runs. He writes a lot of really great queer stories,
25:17
Speaker 3: which I also was shocked to find out that I,
25:23
Speaker 3: you know, actually I don't know how I identifies I
25:25
Speaker 3: just saw on his Wikipedia page that he is married
25:27
Speaker 3: to a woman.
25:27
Speaker 1: So I was shocked that he's at least like maybe
25:29
Speaker 1: he's a little who's to say he could be by
25:32
Speaker 1: but uh, but I was.
25:32
Speaker 3: I was surprised with that because I was like, wait,
25:34
Speaker 3: I feel like every single story I've read about you,
25:35
Speaker 3: it's been incredibly gay.
25:37
Speaker 4: Uh.
25:37
Speaker 1: He also wrote the Old Guard movie. If you've seen that.
25:40
Speaker 1: I love that movie. Oh yeah, we did a feature. Yes,
25:44
Speaker 1: apparently the second one is out there too. I gotta
25:49
Speaker 1: of course she is, of course, just so you know,
25:52
Speaker 1: I did not know about that, but I'm obsessed. I like, see,
25:55
Speaker 1: that's gonna be.
25:56
Speaker 3: I do regularly get Uma Thurman and Charlie's Throne mixed up, though.
26:00
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be How are you gonna do this?
26:03
Speaker 1: Oh no, that'll be rough or amazing, one of the
26:09
Speaker 1: two amazing, I know.
26:10
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I'm not gonna complain, and
26:12
Speaker 3: they're both love the two loves of my life. But uh, anyway,
26:17
Speaker 3: So anyways, back lois for the last couple of points
26:20
Speaker 3: of her story. But yeah, back in the nineties, going
26:26
Speaker 3: back a little bit, she and Clark get married.
26:29
Speaker 1: If you're familiar, it are all with the Superman comics
26:33
Speaker 1: that I needs to There's a lot of ups and
26:35
Speaker 1: downs there.
26:37
Speaker 3: Uh. And then in twenty fifteen, she and Clark have
26:40
Speaker 3: a kid named John Kent who has been around for
26:43
Speaker 3: a minute now. He was Superboy for a while and
26:46
Speaker 3: then most recently he has taken over the Superman mantle
26:49
Speaker 3: in some comic runs. I'm gonna stop there and not
26:53
Speaker 3: get into it is this is where we get into
26:55
Speaker 3: like it's comic books, there's no clear timeline territory. There
27:00
Speaker 3: some runs that are out right now where Clark is
27:02
Speaker 3: Superman and there's some where John is Superman.
27:06
Speaker 1: Is confusing.
27:07
Speaker 3: We don't have to care about consistency at this point.
27:10
Speaker 3: But yeah, but John is at this point a pretty
27:11
Speaker 3: established character. So Lois being a mom is also a
27:15
Speaker 3: pretty established part of her character, which again props to DC.
27:19
Speaker 3: I think they did a good job of having this
27:22
Speaker 3: become part of her character. You know, the Superman series
27:28
Speaker 3: as a whole, like family is very central to that,
27:31
Speaker 3: But it didn't really do anything to like sideline her
27:35
Speaker 3: character or take away any of that kind of like
27:40
Speaker 3: power that she has, which I think that I think
27:43
Speaker 3: like kudos to them for that that could have easily
27:45
Speaker 3: been a chance for them to sort of sideline her,
27:47
Speaker 3: and they decided not to do that. And you know,
27:52
Speaker 3: you can have a It is the thing where it's
27:54
Speaker 3: like you can have a character that is both you
27:59
Speaker 3: know very much her own has her own agency, is
28:04
Speaker 3: in charge of her own destiny, is doing all this
28:06
Speaker 3: really bad stuff, is taken down bad guys.
28:11
Speaker 1: And she's a mom and she has a kid, and
28:14
Speaker 1: that is part of her character too.
28:17
Speaker 3: Also John Kent famously the bisexual Superman with the male
28:21
Speaker 3: of interest currently, So you know, if this woke Superman
28:26
Speaker 3: is not enough for Republicans right now, quick side note
28:30
Speaker 3: about that, I will say too, there's obviously a lot
28:33
Speaker 3: of coverage of this movie talking about the fact that
28:35
Speaker 3: some people are freaking out a little bit about you know,
28:39
Speaker 3: they made Superman woke, a character that entire thing has
28:42
Speaker 3: been protecting people and making the world a better place.
28:45
Speaker 1: Crazy.
28:47
Speaker 3: But I do think this movie, like I will say,
28:50
Speaker 3: I went in a little bit skeptical. I was like, oh, sure, okay,
28:52
Speaker 3: it's gonna have like some leftist themes.
28:54
Speaker 1: Short it does.
28:56
Speaker 3: It does. There's there's some fair there's some like allegor
29:00
Speaker 3: in the movie that you're like, oh, okay, yeah, wow,
29:02
Speaker 3: this is actually I get it kind of renewed my faith,
29:06
Speaker 3: I think in the ability of superhero movies to not
29:11
Speaker 3: just kind of obviously with every superhero movie there's an
29:14
Speaker 3: element of like, yes, this reflects American militaryism, American exceptionalism,
29:22
Speaker 3: but also there are a lot of beautiful things that
29:24
Speaker 3: you can have in these narratives. And I think this
29:26
Speaker 3: was really pulling back from a lot of the military
29:29
Speaker 3: heavy elements and was taking a much more humanitarian approach,
29:33
Speaker 3: and I thought that was fun.
29:34
Speaker 1: That is the sort of intro to Lois Lane, the
29:40
Speaker 1: real hero of the story.
29:43
Speaker 3: You know, look, this is the fun thing too, is
29:47
Speaker 3: because in the story you get like there's Superman.
29:50
Speaker 1: Superman's the main character.
29:51
Speaker 3: Clark Kent is the alter ego people know Clark Ken
29:55
Speaker 3: is a different character in this universe. Clark Kent is
29:57
Speaker 3: Loslaine's husband, like he is just she is. That is
30:00
Speaker 3: her boy toy and like good for her, like he's
30:03
Speaker 3: the trophy husband. I think that's beautiful.
30:09
Speaker 2: It's also fun too because she's she's sort of like
30:14
Speaker 2: you said, the rival at first, but she's pitted as
30:16
Speaker 2: like he knows she's on Oh yeah, and so he's
30:20
Speaker 2: always trying to like and as the audience, we know it's,
30:23
Speaker 2: you know, the same person she is on I think like.
30:27
Speaker 3: Third dynamic works goes like he's intimidated by her because
30:30
Speaker 3: she he knows that she is super smart. She can
30:34
Speaker 3: figure him out. She is one of the few people
30:35
Speaker 3: that can like take him down because she's that good
30:38
Speaker 3: at what she does. I think, yeah, I'll pivot here
30:43
Speaker 3: to like some of my favorite uh versions of her
30:47
Speaker 3: and some like small kind of details about her. One
30:51
Speaker 3: side note as a as a as a short girlie
30:54
Speaker 3: I do appreciate and well, obviously she's next to Superman,
30:58
Speaker 3: so she's always gonna look very short, but like a
31:01
Speaker 3: win for just like short girls that don't shut up.
31:06
Speaker 3: I diva love it, but.
31:14
Speaker 1: A couple are kind of like small pigs. Voter character
31:16
Speaker 1: I got it. Multiple Pulitzer Prize winning reporter like that.
31:20
Speaker 3: Is inconsistently about her is like she is really really
31:22
Speaker 3: good at her job. She like she is.
31:28
Speaker 4: You know.
31:29
Speaker 3: I talked a bit at the beginning about how part
31:31
Speaker 3: of me, it's like the eco part of me that
31:32
Speaker 3: wants to be like, yeah, it's the journalist characters that
31:35
Speaker 3: are like saving the day. But like she really like
31:37
Speaker 3: there's a reason Clark Kent is also a journalist, like
31:40
Speaker 3: it was written because it was like supposed to be
31:42
Speaker 3: any whatever.
31:43
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on my.
31:46
Speaker 3: The pros and cons of the way that we talked
31:48
Speaker 3: about journalists in our world today. But you know, going
31:53
Speaker 3: back to that twenty nineteen run that I was talking
31:55
Speaker 3: about with the lows Lane run that was We're in
31:56
Speaker 3: like peak for Trump administration, it very much is like
32:01
Speaker 3: inspired by that, affected by that It talks about the
32:04
Speaker 3: mistrusted journalists at the time, and I think, like that
32:06
Speaker 3: is something we're like, we're seeing this movie do really
32:10
Speaker 3: well right now, and I think this character is like
32:12
Speaker 3: having a rival, because yeah, like so much of the
32:15
Speaker 3: marketing campaign was around the fact that like he's just
32:19
Speaker 3: a nice guy and he wants to help people, which
32:22
Speaker 3: is like a nice change from again years of just
32:26
Speaker 3: superhero movies sort of being like and we are so
32:29
Speaker 3: strong and bad and we can kill everybody, and we
32:34
Speaker 3: have so much tree, we have so much trauma from
32:37
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, and we're never gonna get over that
32:40
Speaker 3: damn trauma. And what I was talking about the beginning,
32:43
Speaker 3: I think like specifically having her be this like the
32:47
Speaker 3: fact that she and Clark at least like in terms
32:50
Speaker 3: of like intellect and like motivation, they're very similar characters. Again,
32:55
Speaker 3: the main difference is he has superpowers, she doesn't. She
32:58
Speaker 3: is justice like she is also fighting for justice. She
33:00
Speaker 3: is also there's a kind of a bunch of DC
33:04
Speaker 3: storylines because CC loves to do the thing where they're
33:06
Speaker 3: like Superman lost his powers.
33:09
Speaker 1: Ah, and then I.
33:11
Speaker 3: Don't know, I'm of the belief that it's getting old
33:13
Speaker 3: at this point, I'm done with those storylines. But every
33:16
Speaker 3: time it happens, like she kind of steps up like
33:19
Speaker 3: she again, she's got them.
33:22
Speaker 1: She has the sort of whether she wanted to or.
33:27
Speaker 3: Not, raised with the ROSCT training type thing because her
33:31
Speaker 3: dad was this big military dude. She's like, she's the
33:37
Speaker 3: person that will run into the burning building. She'll face
33:39
Speaker 3: down like dictators. She she's gonna fight. I was thinking
33:46
Speaker 3: about this recently too, where I was like, what, like,
33:48
Speaker 3: is there a version of this character that is like
33:51
Speaker 3: gender swapped, where we have like the girl is the
33:54
Speaker 3: character with it, Because you know, you could point to
33:57
Speaker 3: characters like wonder One and like Steve Trevor kind of
34:02
Speaker 3: being the like you know, non superpowered love interest.
34:06
Speaker 1: I don't find him that interesting of a character, or like.
34:10
Speaker 3: Whatever the best one I was thinking of, or I
34:13
Speaker 3: was like, actually, I think this algorithm make sense. Is
34:16
Speaker 3: like if you've seen The Boys, like literally the main
34:19
Speaker 3: character is Huey from The Boys, who I would argue
34:22
Speaker 3: is like maybe the closest we have to like a
34:25
Speaker 3: gender swat version of that, or like his girlfriend is
34:28
Speaker 3: the really like she's the one with the superpower. She's
34:31
Speaker 3: the one who is like this public face, and he's
34:34
Speaker 3: the one who's kind of, you know, not necessarily liked
34:37
Speaker 3: by Also, because that's another thing about her characters. She
34:39
Speaker 3: makes a lot of enemies because again she's this.
34:43
Speaker 1: Hard, like.
34:46
Speaker 3: Really bad, you know reporter who's like she's gonna stop
34:50
Speaker 3: in nothing.
34:51
Speaker 1: Love that for her.
34:52
Speaker 3: There's also a couple versions where like she gets superpower again, look,
34:59
Speaker 3: super Branko makes it been around for forever, so like
35:01
Speaker 3: every imaginable thing that could happen happens, she gets superpowers,
35:05
Speaker 3: and some she becomes Superwoman alongside Clark. Personally, I those
35:12
Speaker 3: are my I prefer the Again, I really like the
35:14
Speaker 3: runs where I think like she's written like this like
35:16
Speaker 3: detective character that also has more to do with the
35:18
Speaker 3: fact that, like, those are the characters that I like more,
35:20
Speaker 3: I think. But yeah, she you know, she also is
35:24
Speaker 3: Superwoman sometimes like she is just she she takes over
35:29
Speaker 3: the same.
35:30
Speaker 1: Role as Clark.
35:30
Speaker 4: All that.
35:41
Speaker 3: Ending on a couple just small, fun, fun facts about
35:45
Speaker 3: the character. I'm wearing purple today and to record this,
35:48
Speaker 3: and she is oftentimes wearing purple, which I always was
35:53
Speaker 3: just like cool aesthetically, it looks beautiful. When I was
35:56
Speaker 3: watching the the movie, the most recent that came out
36:00
Speaker 3: with again friend of the show gar from It could
36:04
Speaker 3: Happen Here, they pointed out like, oh, yeah, it's because Superman.
36:07
Speaker 3: He's red and blue were his color, so it's a combination.
36:10
Speaker 3: And I was like that that makes sense. I never
36:15
Speaker 3: realized that, but yeah, so thank you shout out to
36:17
Speaker 3: Garret for informing me of that, which I also thinks cute.
36:21
Speaker 3: It's like she's again this kind of mirror of his character,
36:26
Speaker 3: something that kind of going back to how things that
36:28
Speaker 3: were originally written in a way that maybe was dipping
36:32
Speaker 3: its toes into misogyny that I think has been kind
36:34
Speaker 3: of revamped in a way that I don't hate. She
36:39
Speaker 3: has sort like throughout all of the comics has never
36:43
Speaker 3: been able to spell like she like that is a
36:45
Speaker 3: like running joke about the fact that she's this like
36:47
Speaker 3: really really successful reporter and she like kind of small.
36:51
Speaker 3: There have been some interpretations where it's like, oh, like
36:53
Speaker 3: maybe she's like dyslasic or something. But it's like at
36:55
Speaker 3: the point where I and this is me being too
36:58
Speaker 3: like projecting a little bit I as somebody who also
37:00
Speaker 3: so cannot spell. For sure. I do have a running
37:03
Speaker 3: theory that a lot of the best writers that I
37:05
Speaker 3: know are terrible at spelling things correctly. So I was like,
37:08
Speaker 3: you know what, maybe this just odds to my thing
37:12
Speaker 3: that I need to remind myself so I feel better
37:14
Speaker 3: about the fact that I can't spell either. But yeah,
37:17
Speaker 3: but it's like, you know, it's a fun little thing
37:18
Speaker 3: about her. I love this character, my personal favorite adaptation
37:23
Speaker 3: of the character, and I really love the racial Brad's Hand.
37:25
Speaker 1: Movie ab version. This most recent movie I think we.
37:28
Speaker 3: Brought up before the show I told you both the
37:31
Speaker 3: watch My Adventures with Superman, really good cartoon show that's
37:34
Speaker 3: on HBO.
37:35
Speaker 1: Max really cute.
37:37
Speaker 3: That version of Blowislaine, by the way, also is Korean American, which.
37:42
Speaker 1: Is really cool.
37:43
Speaker 3: She's also like the way that she's portraying the show.
37:45
Speaker 3: That was like that show really was like the thing
37:46
Speaker 3: that got me to be like, oh wait, yeah, no,
37:48
Speaker 3: I love this character. She's so funny in that she
37:52
Speaker 3: like they make her kind of a top boy too.
37:54
Speaker 3: She's got like a short haircut.
37:55
Speaker 1: Like I liked it. I was like, you know what
37:58
Speaker 1: it was? It was a cool she was she was fun.
38:02
Speaker 3: Like I said, I grew up watching a lot of
38:03
Speaker 3: the cartoons, so like the Superman animated series version of
38:06
Speaker 3: her is always gonna be like my image in my head.
38:08
Speaker 4: Uh.
38:10
Speaker 1: The Christopherrees movies. Love that one.
38:14
Speaker 3: I'll admit I did as a as a former c
38:18
Speaker 3: W enjoyer slash, I still think, I I I have
38:22
Speaker 3: a lot I love the c W. I'll be I
38:23
Speaker 3: think it's like it is like that to me, It's
38:26
Speaker 3: like this is it's keeping the spirit of camp alive.
38:29
Speaker 3: But I like the Superman of lowis c W show
38:32
Speaker 3: the actors who plays her in that she's phenomenal. It's
38:35
Speaker 3: the guy from teen Wolf who plays Superman, and he
38:38
Speaker 3: is also just like that was another version where I
38:40
Speaker 3: think I watched it and I was like, oh yeah,
38:42
Speaker 3: like Superman is fun when he's just like a nice
38:46
Speaker 3: goofy guy.
38:48
Speaker 4: Uh So is that the one that gets crossed over
38:51
Speaker 4: into because I watched a lot of.
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Speaker 1: And I love I love across that world. You're gonna
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Speaker 1: gonna give me, it's gonna get me.
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Speaker 3: But it's so funny because I know if like my uh,
39:05
Speaker 3: because I've just been watching some like like the Instagram
39:08
Speaker 3: algorithm is like picked on. They were like, You've been
39:10
Speaker 3: watching a bunch of stuff about like Superman lately and
39:12
Speaker 3: it keeps showing me clips from like the CW crossover
39:16
Speaker 3: shows and like I loved Supergirl back in there too,
39:18
Speaker 3: and that that was a great show.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what an era? What an era?
39:24
Speaker 4: That Lois Lane. I don't know her name, hypodist, but
39:26
Speaker 4: she was a dead ringer for Margaret Kidder to me, like, wow,
39:30
Speaker 4: she is like her doubleganger and the way she acted
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Speaker 4: the only few things again it was in the Crossover,
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Speaker 4: but her like she was the main wise character for
39:40
Speaker 4: both all three of them, because it was the Arrow. Yes,
39:42
Speaker 4: I watched for a while the Arrow Flash and Superman
39:46
Speaker 4: like she was trying to and Supergirl, all four of
39:48
Speaker 4: them more there she was giving them each advice, and
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Speaker 4: it was all the most sane sound advice that they
39:53
Speaker 4: had like to listen to, and I was like, okay.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, okay, this is what we go back to.
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Speaker 3: I think, honestly, like my favorite I keep saying my
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Speaker 3: favorite versions of her, which when I think she and
40:04
Speaker 3: like Batman Bruce Wayne when they're Britten as very similar characters,
40:07
Speaker 3: were like they're the voice of reason. Yeh, she's the strategist.
40:11
Speaker 3: She know, like, she's smart, she's there's a reason she
40:14
Speaker 3: is good at what she does. There's a reason that
40:16
Speaker 3: she's the one taking down dictators, taking down these like
40:20
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor type characters just as much as Clark is. Yeah,
40:25
Speaker 3: and yeah, that's again I think that is something that
40:31
Speaker 3: I think I really love about her character. I think
40:34
Speaker 3: I want to see more. It would be nice if
40:38
Speaker 3: like we could get this kind of standard for the
40:42
Speaker 3: way that these like love interest characters are written, because again,
40:44
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a given. I think a lot
40:46
Speaker 3: of times like and again, like going back to I
40:50
Speaker 3: mentioned like Iris West is one of the characters where
40:53
Speaker 3: like she's not necessarily always written as like super three dimensional.
40:56
Speaker 3: I think like the Flash TV showed it a pretty
40:57
Speaker 3: good job of.
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Speaker 1: Like making her. Yeah, I love her. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: shade to her.
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Speaker 3: I love her in the Flash TV show, like I
41:05
Speaker 3: think there is I think, like to me, Lo has
41:08
Speaker 3: kind of created this blueprint for how you can do that,
41:11
Speaker 3: and I I think that's great.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that. They are all trouble makers. You're right,
41:18
Speaker 4: They're like they're the one that like starts up a
41:19
Speaker 4: little bit of chaos so we can see the potential,
41:23
Speaker 4: but they get the story.
41:24
Speaker 3: Again, she's the one jumping off of the building. I
41:26
Speaker 3: love when somebody like made a montage of just all
41:29
Speaker 3: of the like clips of her jumping off of things, and.
41:32
Speaker 1: I'm like, Diva, She's everything. I love it.
41:38
Speaker 3: It's so good.
41:41
Speaker 1: Well, we have loved this conversation, Joe. This is so fun.
41:47
Speaker 3: And of course, yeah, anytime you know, my favorite thing
41:52
Speaker 3: to talk about.
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Speaker 1: I have learned a lot.
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Speaker 2: I will now I'm like, I want to go back
41:58
Speaker 2: and watch some things enjoy the character more too.
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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you, of course, yeah,
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Speaker 1: both of you.
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Speaker 3: Nita watched My Adventures with Superman, by the way, and
42:08
Speaker 3: let me know your thoughts because you're actually a quick
42:11
Speaker 3: tangent too. Because you talked about the Uh, there has
42:14
Speaker 3: kind of been this consistent like she's had all these
42:17
Speaker 3: different adaptations, there been certain things that have like tied
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Speaker 3: the character together. She's been very assertive, very wise, like
42:23
Speaker 3: I think My Adventures Superman, because it's also a younger
42:25
Speaker 3: version of the character.
42:26
Speaker 1: Has a bit of a fresh take.
42:28
Speaker 3: She's still the same, like, you know, very assertive, can
42:33
Speaker 3: I get what she wants?
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Speaker 1: Very smart, very bright character.
42:37
Speaker 3: But like, I really liked that series specifically because I
42:40
Speaker 3: think it did a good job of having a fresh
42:42
Speaker 3: take on the character and still keeping all the things
42:45
Speaker 3: that make her like who she is and make me
42:47
Speaker 3: love her. So, yeah, that's my plug watch that show.
42:52
Speaker 3: I think the third season is supposed to come out soonish,
42:55
Speaker 3: so that.
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Speaker 1: Was definitely the one I was thinking of. I remember
42:58
Speaker 1: you had mentioned the Yeah, also I did.
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Speaker 3: I brought up The Boys before Jack Quaye does voice
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Speaker 3: Superman in that, and I honestly.
43:07
Speaker 1: I watched this show before I watched The Boys, So
43:09
Speaker 1: it was very jarring then being like, wait, no, I
43:12
Speaker 1: know your voice, but like not like that.
43:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, Oh, very different characters. Oh yeah, well,
43:25
Speaker 2: thank you. You're welcome back anytime. We have so many
43:28
Speaker 2: nerdy topics to cover, so many, so many. Well in
43:32
Speaker 2: the meantime, where can the good listeners find you?
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44:19
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44:42
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well, listeners, please go check all of that
45:03
Speaker 2: stuff out if you haven't already, and thank you again Joey.
45:06
Speaker 1: Can't wait till next time, of course.
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