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Teen Killer Livestreams After Taking His Final Victim · The Empire of Wealth

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Speaker 1: Is it going.
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, just figured i'd send a quick check.
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Speaker 3: This is Paul Ferguson. Tragically, his brother Timothy passed away
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just prior to this live stream.
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Speaker 2: For those of you who aren't aware, my little brother
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has passed away and.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot to.
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Speaker 1: Deal with, but we're fine.
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Speaker 3: With such devastating news. Viewers quickly showed him support during
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this terrible time. But unbeknownst to Paul's fans, this would
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be his last live stream ever because, as it turns out,
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Paul himself was behind the death of his younger brother.
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On the sixth of July twenty twenty two, at six
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point thirty seven pm, police were called to assist with
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a medical emergency just outside of Grand Rapids in Michigan.
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The caller, Shonda vander Ark, mother of Paul and Timothy,
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had told paramedics that Timothy wasn't breathing. Just seven minutes
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after arriving on the scene, Timothy was pronounced. Officers had
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never seen anything like it. Timothy was malnourished, bruised, and hypothermic.
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There were bones protruding from his skin, and despite being
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five foot eight, he weighed just sixty nine pounds. Most
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concerning it was where they actually found Timothy. He was
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lying in a small closet that reeked of urine feces.
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Inside was a blue tarp and an Amazon box, and
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just outside were a pair of ankle shackles. There were
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all some multiple cameras around the room and an alarm
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on the door he was found in. Undoubtedly, something was
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incredibly wrong, but police hadn't even scratched the surface of
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just how horrible this case would turn out to be.
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So to maybe shed a little light on what just
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happened here, Officer Sean Stepanitch decides to talk to his
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seemingly grieving mother, Shonda.
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Speaker 5: Le ma'am a monster stuff And right now we got
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some people coming over to talk to you.
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Speaker 6: Okay, he's been worrying, really loose.
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Speaker 4: Clothes, Lelas. He's really he's really skinny. And I didn't
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notice till this morning.
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Speaker 7: Because he wouldn't like I asked him if he's okay,
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and he would not answer me, Like he's fifteen, he's been.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
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Speaker 6: I know how bad he was.
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Speaker 5: Oh my god, he did this.
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Speaker 4: Fucking was struggle with Jeni research. I thought he did this.
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I don't know, it's I can wake.
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Speaker 7: In January for almost three weeks, and then he said
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he ate some.
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Speaker 4: He ate something last night. I didn't remember what it was.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. This is where police realized that Shonda's emotions
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might all be an act, and as they would uncover
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more evidence in the house and talk to her son Paul,
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these claims would slowly fall apart. So as the officer
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listens to her side of the story, he'll be looking
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for anything to latch onto that they can use against
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them later to determine the truth.
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Speaker 6: I had no idea I would have taken him in
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or something thanks to the last time he saw was
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five thirty this morning.
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Speaker 4: Did he say anything.
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Speaker 6: He had fallen out of bead?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Five thirty?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: You sure it wasn't earlier.
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Speaker 7: I mean it's possible. I thought it was five thirty,
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but I wasn't super awake. I heard it sunk, and
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I came down and he's kind of laying on the side,
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kind of like, what the heck? Yeah, every seldie, that's
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all right.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.
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Speaker 3: Timothy was pronounced dead at six forty four am that morning,
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just an hour after Shonda claimed she last talked to him.
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The reason the officer seemed suspicious is because the first
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responders noticed that rigor mortis had already started setting in,
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tightening his facial muscles. This usually starts anywhere from two
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to four hours after death, not barely one hour that
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Shanda is claiming here. But the real question is how
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Shonda never noticed just how skinny and emaciated Timothy really was.
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This sort of malnourishment doesn't just happen overnight. So the
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officer asks her to explain herself.
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Speaker 7: I asked him to eat last night because his face
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started looking a little bit.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, and he wouldn't show.
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Speaker 6: I'm like, let me see, hold your shirt up, and
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he wouldn't hold his shirt up. He wouldn't do anything.
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Speaker 1: Did he get real skinny last time too? Yes?
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Speaker 6: The only reason I know is because my seven year
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walked in on him accidentally went into the shower downstairs,
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and then.
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Speaker 4: My seven year old comes up. He's like, MoMA, really skinny.
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Speaker 3: I was like, was that this time or last time?
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Speaker 7: And I told him he was either gonna start eating ever.
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Speaker 6: Multiple times a day, or I was taking him the hospital,
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and he didn't want to go to the hospital, so
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so we.
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Speaker 1: Ended up eating on his own.
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Speaker 9: Yes, and then so this last time was it because
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your husband wasn't home.
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Speaker 6: He hasn't been home since stained Ory third. He actually
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mentioned he was hungry the day his stepdad or his
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dad has stepmam called to tell us they were divorced
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and moving to Florida last week.
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Speaker 3: Shanda is essentially saying that Timothy wasn't eating because of
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a quote hunger strike campaigning against family problems. Back in January,
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Adam vander Ark, Shanda's husband had a stroke and had
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to move out due to issues accessing their home. Apparently,
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this caused Timothy to stop eating for three weeks, and
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he only started again after threats of being taken to
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the hospital. But for the last two weeks he'd stopped
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eating again, allegedly this time due to his biological father,
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divorcing his wife and moving away to Florida. Each of
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these events did indeed happen, but as it would turn out,
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they had nothing to do with Timothy's hunger at all.
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Police handed over the case two detectives who obtained a
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search warrant and began to collect evidence throughout the house.
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That's when they found leg shackles in a drawer, four
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webcams scattered strategically placed around a basement, zip ties in
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the bathroom, a half empty bottle of extreme regret Carolina
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Reaper hot sauce, and locks on every single fridge, freezer,
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and pantry in the house. This painted a picture of
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a helpless boy forced to live inhumanely among his own
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dirt and felth watched every second of the day and
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brutally toward until the very end. The next day, an
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autopsy was conducted on Timothy's body, finding even more strange
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and worrying things. He had extremely sunken eyes, slightly blue
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tinted skin, and there were many signs of dehydration as well.
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His cause of death was determined to be dehydration and
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extreme emaciation due to starvation, with hypothermia playing a role too.
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With all of this information and evidence gathered, the police
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knew something foul had to be a play. They just
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weren't sure what. Starvation in a house filled with food,
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hypothermia in the middle of an American summer, alongside hot
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sauce and handcuffs. It had to all come together somehow.
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So the day after Timothy's death, at three point fifty seven, PM,
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they bring in Paul Shanda's twenty year old son for
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interrogation to try and uncover what all this could possibly
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mean and how exactly he was involved. What Paul doesn't
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know is that they've already collected a mountain of evidence.
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Detective Ryan Peask is going to use a five step
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program to slowly extract the truth from Paul, starting by
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getting on his good side and ending by tearing into
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him and making him feel so guilty you'll have no
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choice but to confess to everything.
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Speaker 1: I own specifications here, who your phons? Okay? As you
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were a communications yourself? Love yet thanks the best talking.
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Speaker 3: About As mentioned, police have spent the last twenty four
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hours coming over text messages, camera recordings, crime scene images
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and much more to try and get a good picture
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of what had happened. So as the cases with many
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younger suspects, Detective Peace will start calmly trying to put
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Paul at ease and get on its good side before
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slowly breaking him down and exposing the truth.
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Speaker 1: I know that we talked yesterday.
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Speaker 10: I know that talk yesterday. You don't have to feel bad,
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you don't have to go look about not telling the
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true to me. I'm not trying to be truthful and
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reacting brother fifty desert that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's there a lot of masses thoughts that
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he hasn't do anything about what's eating, about kicking how
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that how a work because we had notice and we
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wanted to get that. We didn't want any injured. I
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love you so much. Yeah, I can tell that at
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and we wanted with best path to you. You wanted
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that back enough where it would be we wouldn't have
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to worry and we can restrictions. We made sure that
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it was calories and everything. There was rice or bread
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and pizza.
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Speaker 3: Throughout the thousands of texts detectives have between Paul and Shanda,
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there's a huge amount of talk about food restrictions. It
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doesn't take much to realize that this was why Timothy
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was thin as he was. Peace will focus more on
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this later. What's more interesting, though, is how Paul justified this.
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Speaker 1: We made calories everything.
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Speaker 3: These aren't Paul's own thoughts. This is just what he's
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been told by his mother since the started. Over the
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course of several months, he's internalized it and now seems
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to fully believe that what he's been doing to Timothy
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is for his own good.
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Speaker 11: We did take the way his devices also because he
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wouldn't school fold just.
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Speaker 1: He should help so much.
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Speaker 9: I believe it was okay my dad's control of He
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didn't want to have any contact his control of.
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Speaker 3: Note, how the only consequence that Paul mentions here is
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the facts that they take away his phone occasionally, something
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fairly inocuous. It's also worth mentioning just how quickly he
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tries to put Timothy and his father down in exactly
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the same way his mother was known to do. But
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as Paul continues talking, it becomes clear exactly how much
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of a problem this has actually become, and that he
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might have actually been strongly manipulated by her to do
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all of this.
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Speaker 5: I had emotional relief. I was so terrified him that
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I did, and it was so terrified.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: I can't do it in the right ways. I never
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do it any undone. He was a blessing. It is
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a blessing, of course.
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Speaker 3: Before having her third son, Gabriel, Shanda had a procedure
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to restore her fertility. To her having Gabriel was a
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miracle because she didn't know if this would work. That's
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likely why no evidence was ever found of her harming
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Gabriel because he was by far and away her favorite child.
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That does, however, provide a hammering reason for why she
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might have abuse Timothy so much. He was her problem
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child and she didn't like the fact he had so
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many mental health conditions, so she wanted to take her
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anger out on and deal with the problem directly.
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Speaker 12: I would call an attitude because unnecessary, and she would
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get off.
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Speaker 1: Was audu I'll be honest to my devices. Okay, not
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very much. That was strict my sister did. So now
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you're in work exactly great bills my father. She doesn't
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force me to give her as my pecheck for wage
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at both.
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Speaker 9: My mother came my father right now, we shouldn't want
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to call him because the one thing that she.
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Speaker 1: And I will know as he's going and real blame.
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Speaker 3: He can't her listen to how he's talking about his father.
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He's only able to say negative things about him and
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brings these points up even while unprompted. He clearly has
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a strong dislike of his father and talks about him
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like a divorced partner. Take a guess where that stemmed from.
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It's clear his mother has been feeding him lies in
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negativity about his father. And there's no clearer example of
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this than what he says next, I will be.
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Speaker 5: Here into sky because for the time after I've moved out.
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Speaker 1: Of my parents house escaping and both had actually been.
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Speaker 3: Nobody was tricked. Shanda simply was a bad person. The
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police report contains countless witness testimonies from family, friends and
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teachers who knew something was wrong and believed Shanda to
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be a bad parent. This wasn't an uncommon opinion. One
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of Timothy's teachers even told the cops that all the
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teachers knew he wasn't cared for at home and that
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he lived through hell most of his life. But to
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save face, Shanda would make up lies to tell Paul
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that made her seem perfect and kept his respect at
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the cost of making his father seem downright evil. That's
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what makes this case so controversial. Paul was almost certainly
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not in control for the majority of this, and he
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was definitely manipulated by his mother to some extent, but
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he still went through with everything, and that's what a
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jury would end up focusing on.
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Speaker 8: Same.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very concerned. It was just you know,
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what do you think that made really react to take
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it after or yeah, honestly, that probably would have been
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one too an he send picture like you legs, So
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it was just basically all right and something along the line.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, But the thing is yesterday, and I think the
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day before he could walk, he might be a little
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support every so often, like he put his hand against
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the wall or grabbed.
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Speaker 1: The rail of the stairs, but after a couple of
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seconds he'd let it go. It would be fine. It
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was never anything major.
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Speaker 13: What was like, the last time I was really like
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talking to you, like able to add a conversation or
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his track.
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Speaker 1: Last time he actually talked was three days ago, but
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the day before or the day after that, the.
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Speaker 9: Day before yesterday he could talk, he talked to a
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small amount in the morning, but then he just sort
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of making promies and moments.
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Speaker 3: And it must take in a stunt amount of delusion
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to believe that not being able to walk or speak
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isn't anything major. But in reality that's not what they thought.
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They thought he was faking it entirely. In fact, on
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the day before Timothy died, Shanda told Paul to wave
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warm pizza rolls just in front of him and take
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them back if he tries to eat them. It all
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just seems as though they were messing with him to
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satisfy their own sadistic desires.
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Speaker 1: He taking bath and I went in there to kick
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on one for and he's just go in there, my
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but okay. He didn't repond, but he was looking around
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so and he was breathing. I know that much. But
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he was a talk that no, and.
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Speaker 14: It started to do to me.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if to kiss mo. Yeah, I probably
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shouldn't tell him about the one though. Stupid to think
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about it like this. Right, she's strong at all, and
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she that that's all right, you made someone. I see
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you may use times to say when need to do
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something about this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does.
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Speaker 1: I know she's a good person.
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Speaker 3: Paul is beating himself up because he knows that he
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assisted in all of this. But notice how Peace is
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still trying to reassure Paul and shift the blame away
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from him. Fortunately, this is about to pay off massively
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as he starts to talk more about the punishments that
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Timothy was put through.
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Speaker 1: Get this right now.
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Speaker 13: A lot of time where it's the time trying to
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figure out what can you've changed things? What cool have
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done differently, How do we get to the point when
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we're at because you know clearly where you got say
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that a.
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Speaker 1: Nice little or right? How he pumps with that? Right,
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that's a cool ie cool back.
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Speaker 8: I didn't you did?
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Speaker 1: How many times you guys getting cool? I think for
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I don't exactly really number, but it wasn't a lock
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five every day the other day five.
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Speaker 4: It was.
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Speaker 12: Would be.
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Speaker 3: Peace. Actually knows exactly how often these baths occurred because
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Paul and Seanda documented every single instance of this over text,
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and Timothy was subjected to them constantly. Even worse, they
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would last up to nine hours at a time. And remember,
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Timothy weighed only sixty nine pounds. He barely had a
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drop of body fat on him, meaning that he would
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have felt the effects of the cold considerably more than
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the average person. This is why the autopsy turned up
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the evidence of hypo thermia and rolled it as one
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of his main causes of death.
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Speaker 1: Why well.
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Speaker 14: Cooled but also pot and wasn't too happy with absolutely
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into the house and get messages yeah WoT.
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Speaker 3: As peak mentions. Timothy didn't sleep in a bed. He
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slept in a small, cramped closet that he couldn't even
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stand up in and the punishment that Paul mentioned, well,
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that would have actually happened either way. Inside the basement
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where Timothy slept were multiple cameras and an alarm on
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the door. If he'd have gone to the bathroom instead,
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then he would have been punished for leaving his room.
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Timothy was completely trapped.
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Speaker 1: Why he'd always wanted the best thing? We you guys
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that there's a viral or is absolutely what's that for?
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Speaker 9: When you would try and see because if notice was
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also war on the garage or that was also because yeah,
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there's some food in there, which kind of seed?
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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just that he was hungry at some
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points for those it was death. He wanted somebody see again.
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Speaker 3: Peace is being extremely nice and agreeing directly with what
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is said, trying to make him feel like what he's
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saying is still fine. So he incriminates himself even further.
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Speaker 1: We talked about red. How long was head? A week
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or two? What was he?
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Speaker 9: We do rhyme sandwiches and I think at some points
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we actually give him like a meal.
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Speaker 1: What uh? Why would think that news?
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Speaker 3: The whole sucking Paul has no idea what to say.
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He's starting to realize just how cruel everything he did was,
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and the gravity of the situation has just hit him.
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He starved his little brother to death, and he can't
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even think of a reason why. Regardless of the circumstances
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or how much influence his mother had over him, he
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still did all of these horrifying things and there's still
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even more to come.
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Speaker 9: And that Zoo says in his books, not always, but
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it is still hardly for him.
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Speaker 1: There would be times where it would do on there.
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Speaker 4: It was.
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Speaker 1: What I remind mother, No the.
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Speaker 9: California reads two thousand school or to the school, I
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mean a sauauce.
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Speaker 1: Definitely very.
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Speaker 3: Elijah's extreme regret. Hot sauce is reviewed as not being
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something you mess around with. It measures out to eight
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hundred thousand Scoville heat units. Just shy of what a
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fresh ghost pepper would be, Paul and Shonda would routinely
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feed this to Timothy as a punishment, as well as
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putting it on the only real food he would get
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in a day. Peace also made sure to ask Paul
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what Scoville units were to make sure he knew exactly
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how bad what he was doing was. He confirmed that
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this was very, very hot to the point of being painful,
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Yet he still went through with what he did for weeks,
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so hot sauceful.
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Speaker 1: I think one time we put it in some rice,
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but after that I.
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Speaker 8: Don't think we could dive in what was right because
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you Pas was Securus at the house.
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Speaker 9: I know it was punishment, but honestly, I don't think
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it was that useful because what I said, he had no.
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Speaker 1: Feeling at the time. He he protally bit a hole
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in the At one point he didn't even feel.
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Speaker 7: It was he.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only those days or the other pas from
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the brag and rice, But is that not that I
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know of? Did you see it was needing more wage
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or being less pretensive or it wasn't what change would
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he looked into doing that.
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Speaker 9: There would be times where it would take him a
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moment to respond. At first I thought it was just
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him acting, but then I was getting concerned.
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Speaker 1: I think a week or so, maybe that's just off
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their delays. Yeah, so thet if you are.
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Speaker 3: Throughout this interrogation, Paul has been consistently using his mother
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as a scapegoat for everything he's done. That he was
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just following her orders. But at the same time, it's
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obvious that he knows his brother was suffering through all
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of this. Many people are familiar with the Stanford Prison experiment.
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Twenty four male college students were split into either guards
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and prisoners, and for two weeks they were supposed to
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simulate a prison. However, after just six days, the experiment
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had to be terminated due to extreme behavior. The guards
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quickly adapted to their position of power and due to
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their role being enforced invalidated by the event conductors, they
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began to abuse the prisoners to the point of emotional distress.
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That is to say, Paul was given the opportunity to
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be in control, and he took full advantage of it,
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abusing his position. At the same time, though, Paul is
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an adult and at any point he could have decided
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to stop or alert somebody about all of this, but
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he never did. Peak is also starting to realize this,
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So from here on out, he's going too slowly put
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on the pressure that will eventually break Paul and to
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make him fully realize the gravity of what he's done.
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Speaker 1: So I know that yesterday THO, well she was lying
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about some stuff, right. I know that he's a good person.
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I'm not going that at all he never wanted anything,
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But you also are you also know this, like I
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don't know some of the things that she was talking
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was about the truth right about She says she didn't
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know what it was. But the fact of the matter,
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she asked you, she said, you a text message, she said.
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Speaker 8: Look, make sure that the cameras in there, and and
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take the shower curtained down so I can see him.
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Speaker 1: Did she ask you that today? That the day before
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he assed away? Yeah? I know this Pepper sports for punishment.
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And what did she say? She said, I didn't know
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anything about that. I think she'd want to appear like
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a bad person. She doesn't want to be the bad
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guy and never want Do you want? I know that
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something you not? I'm afraid of her. I can't hear her.
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She still hear what was it he saw the fear of?
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And she would be the scene. She's nothing, I know,
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she hopes.
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Speaker 3: The pressure is already starting to cause Paul to resort
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to cathartic statements for him. Notice how as soon as
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Peak says she was lying, he praises her and makes
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excuses for her, and then immediately puts his dad down,
26:43
saying that she's nothing like him. He's scared and he's
26:46
trying to throw himself back into a world where he
26:48
feels safe and comfortable. But that's not the world he
26:51
lives in, and Peace is about to expose that once
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and for all.
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Speaker 1: First thought, Right, okay, he was in that closet, that
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right there by them. Yeah, you almost said you are
27:08
sorry that it was that alive. Yeah, did you come
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up with that?
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Speaker 7: I know?
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Speaker 1: Or does somebody ask you any you think that he
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most do us best for him? Right? That's what you talk.
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I know she wants to best for all of us,
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So I'm ask that question. Did somebody asks you to
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say that? I cannot put that on my own?
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Speaker 3: Peak notices him start to shut down under the pressure,
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so eases off just a little, trying to reassure him
27:45
again that he's not in any trouble and that this
27:46
isn't his fault. Peak is almost there. He just needs
27:50
to get a little more information out of him for
27:51
the confession, and can't risk Paul shutting down now, So
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something will really.
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Speaker 1: Happen in the morning, because obviously, well, awesome the truth
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literally what he had. But I woke up and I
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had been grabbing my shoes. It basically, I'll play out
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like we said, the whole morning thing was exact. He was.
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Speaker 9: He wasn't breathing in closet, so that it was the
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closet though we had to get him out of the closets.
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Speaker 1: Trying to speciicate. You need guys to put him out
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of closet to see a cloth off type point? Where
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is he in taper? Was that same? He had a shirt?
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I think we had put him in pants or sweatpants
28:29
maybe some point in the night you checked them off.
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Why you weren't there to a little bit that. No,
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so I was you know with a movie? Do you
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see them in mind? Yeah?
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Speaker 6: So?
28:41
Speaker 1: Do you know if he had plans on it? That
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we know honestly, but he didn't have them when we
28:46
got around. He had the diaper on at least, so
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he has the diaper on here, somebody has his shirt on.
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What should to get on the very same sweatshirt? Did
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we come to him because obviously.
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Speaker 9: We didn't want him to get cold or I don't
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think Mama wanted him to get cold.
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Speaker 3: Peak is asking some very specific questions about when Timothy
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was found. What Paul doesn't know is that the cops
29:18
have an audio recording from one of their cameras from
29:20
the exact moment they found Timothy dead.
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Speaker 8: How many.
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Speaker 3: Peace knows for certain that both Paul and Shonda have
29:53
been lying this whole time and tried to cover the
29:56
death up. This is Peak's chance to strike. He's now
30:00
multiple steps ahead and has Paul on the back foot.
30:03
He's now going to start tearing into Paul and his mother,
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ripping his worldview to shreds and exposing them for what
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they really are.
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Speaker 1: At That's how she said she's gonna like him. That
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I don't understand. We never weren't inting him boy, saying
30:23
that talk writers. She didn't want to see this, She
30:29
didn't want to see this. She loves to see Did
30:32
you know that all that? Yes? How do you feel
30:35
a lot during that? How do you feel she doesn't
30:40
want to be she never wanted this. We loved him
30:44
so much. He thinks about love. I think it's about
30:48
that I want to do, not knowing how any of
30:50
the situation.
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Speaker 3: Just look at how uncomfortable Paul is now. He can't
30:57
sit still. He's covering his face and body as often
31:00
as he can, and he's almost always hunched over. He's
31:03
really starting to panic now and has barely even started
31:06
ripping into him.
31:07
Speaker 1: Do you him I agreed tell her this, he's a
31:11
bunch better. How does that happen? You couldn't have both
31:13
just possibly made up this s story. So she told you,
31:18
she told me what to say because they looked back
31:20
at you.
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Speaker 8: It's not just that we loved him, asking straight up,
31:26
he keeps saying he loved love.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like this was love? That he's that?
31:31
Who does that feel like loved you? He's because he's
31:35
gonna eat And I don't know anybody who thinks that's love.
31:38
Speaker 8: What I think is happening is your mom convinced you
31:41
that she's just perfect person, and she's asking me to
31:44
do all these things that are literally killing your brother.
31:47
Speaker 1: She's not perfect.
31:48
Speaker 8: How does love ice fass, house love, handcuffing and house love,
31:53
restricting movement and hows loves hot sauce and mouth.
31:57
Speaker 1: And only eating breadly? What if you're what do you
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you have to eat bread? How would he feel? What
32:02
if you when you got to eat bread with hot sauce?
32:04
Would you eat? She's not perfect, but she's not you
32:09
know any good people? Child to death to that's a
32:13
child has a lot of problems, like some childhood's taking
32:17
care of himself? How is that love person? How's that
32:19
a lovely mother? You know?
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Speaker 8: That sounds like to me, And honestly, the worst way
32:24
I heard in that entire life is sounded to me.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's taking food because he must all later. You've
32:30
ever thought about that? Yes, food so they can survive.
32:35
Speaker 3: Paul has fully collapsed in on himself at this point.
32:38
His worldview is strting to break into pieces. The person
32:41
he looked up to, respected and loved is now being
32:45
painted as a monster that's going to prison for the
32:48
rest of her life. For the worst part, he hasn't
32:50
even realized that he might be facing the exact same consequences.
32:55
Speaker 1: She puts you right in middle.
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Speaker 3: Of the story.
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Speaker 1: It looks like some of the stuff you're happy, and
32:59
it actually stuff in some of the things you kind
33:01
of enjoy. Did you kind of enjoy punishing for doing
33:05
Do you feel like he kind of enjoyed punching best
33:08
Maybe not that he was in pain, but you were
33:11
in charge and you have to tell him you can't
33:13
do that. Go do this. This is your punish. Did
33:15
you like something that?
33:17
Speaker 8: How come you guys are laughing and joking about it,
33:19
sometimes with smiling faces.
33:21
Speaker 1: There's no way that you can look at yourself and
33:24
think that's okay. Why couldn't he a Why couldn't need that?
33:30
Why does it have to be bred with hot sauce?
33:33
I think they're way more has to do with smile.
33:35
Speaker 3: This is actually the defense that Paul would use in court,
33:38
and the trial would turn out to be even more
33:40
interesting than the interrogation. He would try to claim that
33:43
he wasn't the one in control at all, He was
33:45
just following his mother's orders, doing what he was telling him.
33:48
But unfortunately for him, there were messages like these, along
33:52
with much more evidence he yet to be discovered, that
33:55
made it hard to believe that this was the truth.
33:58
Speaker 1: Were red I.
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Speaker 9: Hit something like put do everything right now?
34:06
Speaker 1: How do you feel about living your life? Where you
34:07
hit that your brother wasn't needing from society, That you
34:11
hit that your brother was dying, How do you feel
34:14
about that?
34:15
Speaker 8: I hate myself, O ice past my stuff on the daily,
34:19
died right eating up to it.
34:21
Speaker 1: And she wanted him to sleep in the tub. That's
34:22
what I read. Did that happen? Did he sleep in
34:24
the tub? No? He didn't know. He didn't at bathtub
34:28
and you guys tracked him too that closet and waiting
34:30
for the morning. The publicans that's not what happened.
34:33
Speaker 10: No, you think that message is just a little bit
34:35
suspicious that she sent you out just about midnight and
34:38
says he's in the closet, eye to drag me in there.
34:41
Speaker 1: You don't think he was already dying or dad at
34:43
that point. Doesn't even seem like maybe he was already dead,
34:46
that she put it in there so that he could
34:48
wake up and I die and you sleep and she
34:50
gn't call the police when he's in an ice bath
34:53
and he freezes and dies.
34:55
Speaker 3: Whether this was true or not well remain a mystery
34:57
for a while. But whatever the case, there was certainly
35:00
a large attempted cover up by both Shanda and Paul
35:03
to try and make it seem like this was somehow,
35:06
some way natural causes. Timothy was treated like dirt until
35:10
the very end. A detective piece has had enough, felt myself,
35:15
but how do.
35:16
Speaker 1: You feel over over in finding your mother? How could
35:19
you do you feel like that's the truth anymore? I'm
35:22
not quite a disgusted by her, I'm a disgusted by her.
35:25
She never wonder how smart is you? She's incredible intelligent?
35:31
Speaker 8: How crude loud you right, tyr thought, how can we
35:34
mean this smart, this intelligent graduate.
35:38
Speaker 1: From law school? How could she not know what's happening?
35:42
How could she think this is stake? How does she
35:45
not mean? How does she not see that these wasting away?
35:48
Speaker 8: And you here, you're telling me that you got from
35:52
sometimes help, that you've got to graduated from high school.
35:54
Speaker 1: And it's very obvious to you that he's not he's
35:57
got a malnutrition, right, it's very obvious you put your
36:04
and she's very smart. I don't know, I don't exactly
36:13
what happens, what she thought was going to happen. She
36:15
never wanted him, She loved him, That loved you. Everything
36:21
that we talked about is.
36:24
Speaker 3: Even through the shouts of an enraged detective Peace, Paul
36:28
still defends his mother to the very end, trying to
36:31
come up with excuses for her and even take the blame.
36:34
But that would all come to an end on trial.
36:37
In the meantime, though, just five days after his interrogation,
36:40
Paul decided to go live on Facebook to update his
36:43
friends and family on everything that had happened. Given what
36:46
we know now, the surviving video is probably one of
36:49
the most eerie pieces of footage we've ever shown on
36:52
this channel.
36:54
Speaker 2: Everybody, I just figured i'd send a quick check. We're
36:59
doing good right now. We just dozed off on the
37:02
couch unintentionally. And for those of you who aren't aware,
37:08
my little brother has passed away and.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: It's a lot to deal with, but by yes, it's supported.
37:29
Speaker 1: Yes. Don't find out much to say right now.
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Speaker 6: M