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FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL: BEAUTY-QUEEN-CHEERLEADER'S BABY DEAD IN CLOSET, CASE HEADS TO GRAND JURY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday night, and it's time for a Friday Night special.
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Speaker 1: And boy is this special?
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Speaker 2: Did Kentucky cheerleader Laken Snelling actually take selfies while she
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Speaker 2: is in labor while giving birth?
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Speaker 1: Leave the baby to die?
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Speaker 2: Who, by the way, we now learn what's whimpering translation
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Speaker 2: was alive, leave the baby wrapped up in a blanket
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Speaker 2: and a trash bag in her closet, either dead or dying,
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Speaker 2: and then pop out for McDonald's rot Roe. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I'm gonna thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. We are learning from court documents that the
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Speaker 2: Kentucky stunt girl, cheerleader beauty queen Lake and Snelling took
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Speaker 2: selfies while she's giving birth just before she secretly delivers
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Speaker 2: her baby, then allegedly leaving it wrapped up in blankets,
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Speaker 2: towels in a trash bag in her closet, and then
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Speaker 2: dashes out to get McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: According to an affidavit, Snelling reportedly gave birth to a
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Speaker 3: baby boy around four am on August twenty seven, with
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Speaker 3: the infant falling onto the floor of her bedroom. She
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Speaker 3: says she heard the baby make a noise. She stated
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Speaker 3: to investigators that she remained conscious for about thirty minutes
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Speaker 3: before losing consciousness. Upon waking, she noticed the baby was
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Speaker 3: turning blue and purple, which led her to believe he
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Speaker 3: was no longer alive. In a moment of distress, she
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Speaker 3: says she wrapped the baby in a towel and placed
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Speaker 3: him on the floor beside her for coming. Snelling subsequently
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Speaker 3: fell asleep and woke again around seven thirty am when
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Speaker 3: her alarm went off. Following this, she allegedly placed the
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Speaker 3: baby and the placenta in a black trash bag and
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Speaker 3: hid it in her closet. Roommates reported hearing a loud
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Speaker 3: noise around four am, more than four hours later. Snelling
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Speaker 3: informed them that she had fainted, which caused the commotion
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Speaker 3: and the loud noise. After the incident, she reportedly left
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Speaker 3: her apartment, skipped her nine thirty am class, and ordered
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Speaker 3: food from McDonald's on her app and then picked it up.
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Speaker 3: Although she visited the student clinic, she said she did
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Speaker 3: not enter the facility during Snelling's absence. Her roommates entered
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Speaker 3: the room and discovered a blood soaked towel on the
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Speaker 3: floor and a plastic bag containing evidence of a childbirth.
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Speaker 3: An incident report noted that the baby was quote cold
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Speaker 3: to the touch. Snelling returned to her apartment around ten
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Speaker 3: thirty am, where she was met with law enforcement. She
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Speaker 3: was subsequently taken by local police and later transported to
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Speaker 3: a local hospital for medical evaluation after requesting to be
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Speaker 3: checked out.
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Speaker 2: Okay, according to what we are learning right now, Snelling's
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Speaker 2: phone was full of images of her during labor, photos
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Speaker 2: of her doing things ordinary pregnant women should not be doing. Now,
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Speaker 2: that's according to court documents.
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Speaker 1: Then she.
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Speaker 2: Deletes tries to delete the photos in an apparent attempt
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Speaker 2: to hide the birth of the baby. These affidavits are
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Speaker 2: chalk full of evidence. Okay, wait a minute, let's back
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Speaker 2: it up. After giving birth, the Beauty Queen cheerleader reportedly
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Speaker 2: stuffs the baby boy in a trash bag, then heads
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Speaker 2: to McDonald's for a tiny bite. Okay, we still don't
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Speaker 2: know a cod be cause of death on the baby,
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Speaker 2: but we do know that roommates sneak into her room
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Speaker 2: to find a blood soaked towel on the floor and
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Speaker 2: a plastic bag quote containing evidence of child birth.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to.
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Speaker 4: This lake, and Snelling's case is on its way to
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Speaker 4: a grand jury. The anonymous panel is expected to hear
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Speaker 4: evidence in late January. Since Snelling waived her right to
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Speaker 4: a preliminary hearing during his September twenty sixth court appearance,
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Speaker 4: the grand jury will likely be asked to indict Snelling
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Speaker 4: on three charges she initially pleaded not guilty to you.
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Speaker 4: There's the possibility also of account of murder or manslaughter
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Speaker 4: depending on the newborn's autopsy results.
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Speaker 1: How did we get here?
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Speaker 2: If another person, an adult was found dead wrapped in
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Speaker 2: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
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Speaker 2: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
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Speaker 2: a bedazzled ankle monitor.
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Speaker 1: But that is what has just happened. Let's start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Listen to this good.
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Speaker 5: Riversity Jefferson County Bear. I am lady, say how in
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Speaker 5: is Nancy University of Kentucky? As she's twenty years of age?
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Speaker 6: Her heart Centeriam jeff Selling of Morrison may needs list
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Speaker 6: while also being a student adeleade do one anelete on
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Speaker 6: the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred plus
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Speaker 6: community service.
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Speaker 1: Hours in the past year honors to be.
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Speaker 6: Aground the Jeffersony County Bear Student Bear and begun to
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Speaker 6: represent her house.
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Speaker 2: That is from the Jefferson County Fairest of the Fair
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Speaker 2: Beauty paget that she won. But can we get to
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Speaker 2: right now and what leads up to the discovery of
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Speaker 2: a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
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Speaker 4: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
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Speaker 4: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
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Speaker 4: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
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Speaker 4: she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and
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Speaker 4: crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a
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Speaker 4: self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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Speaker 4: Barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
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Speaker 4: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
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Speaker 4: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
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Speaker 4: athlete with an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
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Speaker 4: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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Speaker 4: with him.
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Speaker 1: Why do I care about the boy?
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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to figure out who is the biological
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Speaker 2: father of this dead infant. And I'm completely intrigued, curious
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Speaker 2: about why so many dead babies are first wrapped in
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Speaker 2: a blanket, a baby blanket very often, remember top mom
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Speaker 2: Casey Anthony wrapped, according to the state, baby Kelly in
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Speaker 2: her favorite blanket before putting her in a trash bag
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Speaker 2: and throwing into a trashy.
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Speaker 1: Litter ridden swamp area about ten houses down.
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Speaker 2: From the Anthony home. Ge I wonder who did that?
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Speaker 2: And I see it over and over and over. The
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Speaker 2: infant is wrapped in a baby blanket and left to
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Speaker 2: die or killed and put in a trash bag. There's
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Speaker 2: gotten to be some sort of psychopathy to that. But
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm also very curious. Straight out to doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile psycho analyst, author of
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Speaker 2: deal Breaker on Amazon. You can see her now on
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Speaker 2: Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued, what does it mean, if anything,
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Speaker 2: that you are a self proclaimed real life Barbie.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Barbie doll.
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Speaker 7: This woman's life, this young woman's life, is wrapped in
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Speaker 7: fantasy not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems
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Speaker 7: a lot more compelling to her than the reality of
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Speaker 7: a baby. The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot
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Speaker 7: more compelling to her than the reality of who she
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Speaker 7: is as a mother and out in the world.
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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking for the fire
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Speaker 2: hids right here. You gave me so much I've got
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Speaker 2: to parse it. Number one, can we state with Barbie?
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Speaker 2: You said I was writing as fast as I could.
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Speaker 2: The fantasy of being Barbie to her was being better,
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Speaker 2: was better than being leg and Snellings. Okay, now wait
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Speaker 2: a minute, it mean to be Barbie. It's a plastic
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Speaker 2: doll with fake breasts.
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Speaker 1: Why do you want to be that?
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Speaker 7: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
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Speaker 7: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
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Speaker 7: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an image,
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Speaker 7: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is.
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Speaker 7: Does she attend to trust.
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Speaker 1: But blah blah blah?
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Speaker 2: Wait wait wait where can I see that video again
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Speaker 2: of her in the Foe? I guess that's no the
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Speaker 2: foe that that that was?
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Speaker 1: That's very similar to a Barbie outfit my sister had.
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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay.
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Speaker 2: I was trying to dissect the Barbie dolls and I
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Speaker 2: dissected all well, dismembered all of my sister's Barbie dolls.
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Speaker 2: That was a dark day, that said, I remember that outfit.
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Speaker 2: Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, so
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Speaker 2: love in spots. Okay, just wanted to point that out
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Speaker 2: d to Bethy. I don't know what your Barbie lore is,
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Speaker 2: but I distinctly recall an outfit like that with the
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Speaker 2: matching stilettos.
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Speaker 1: And this is when I was a little girl. The
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Speaker 1: stilettos were in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Back to who wants to be Barbie?
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Speaker 7: Who wants to be Barbie as somebody who's more living
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Speaker 7: in fantasy than reality. Hey, Nancy, that sound you just played.
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Speaker 1: The inside of.
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Speaker 7: Her apartment was pink. She lived in a Barbie place.
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Speaker 7: This is a woman who lives in a fantasy world,
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Speaker 7: not a reality world. Okay, Barbie is just that it's adult.
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Speaker 7: It's not a real person. She does not live her
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Speaker 7: life like a real person. She's living she's like it's
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Speaker 7: like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering, would she go
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Speaker 7: to a church, does she have friends, is she kind
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Speaker 7: to people? Does she like children in real life?
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Speaker 2: Or was the.
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Speaker 7: Fantasy of being pregnant and the fantasy being a mom
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Speaker 7: much more compelling than the reality of changing diapers holding
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Speaker 7: a baby. Babies have needs, you know.
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Speaker 2: And I want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 2: you can be anything and have played with Barbies as
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Speaker 2: a little girl. My sister that had the Barbies, she's
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Speaker 2: a brainiac.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 1: I tried to read something she published.
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Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,
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Speaker 2: like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbiees
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Speaker 2: when you're a child. I mean, it can be fun.
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Speaker 2: But this is a grown woman that says she's a
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Speaker 2: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
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Speaker 2: the Barbie trail way too long. That's not going to
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Speaker 2: help anybody a trial. I want to get to the
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Speaker 2: facts and what we know. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 7: Ten thirty a m.
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Speaker 4: Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a call about an
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Speaker 4: unresponsive infant found in a student department in one of
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Speaker 4: the tenant's closets inside a trash bag wrapped in towels.
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Speaker 4: The baby was deceased at the time officers received the report.
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Speaker 4: Snelling returns to her apartment to find police swarming the unit.
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Speaker 4: Snelling says she cleaned up after delivering the baby to
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Speaker 4: conceal that she had given birth and put all of
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Speaker 4: the cleaning materials in the trash bag with the baby.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude. He is a
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Speaker 2: high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor, founder of
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Speaker 2: Colsrude Law Offices. Josh, Now, this is anecdotal. I don't
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Speaker 2: have a statistic on this, but I noticed it over
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Speaker 2: and over and over in the over a decade that
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Speaker 2: I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby, very
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Speaker 2: often you see that case pled down like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: they were tired of the baby screaming and they bashed
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Speaker 2: its head on the dresser, or they got tired of
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Speaker 2: taking care of the baby, where they forgot to feed
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Speaker 2: the baby and it died, and it's often pled down
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Speaker 2: to vololunteer involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if you're going to admit to
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Speaker 1: that on the air. But it's true.
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Speaker 2: When the victim is a baby, somehow it's treated as
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Speaker 2: less important in our justice system.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, these cases are tough, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: You know there's a very similar case that happened in
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Speaker 9: twenty seventeen Skyler Richard, high profile case in Ohio. It
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Speaker 9: was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
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Speaker 9: with murder with second degree murder and they went to
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Speaker 9: trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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Speaker 9: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
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Speaker 9: four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
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Speaker 9: tests generally cannot say with any certainty that murder was
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Speaker 9: the result. And so here we just don't have enough
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Speaker 9: information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that
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Speaker 9: it's inconclusive right now, they are doing additional tests. But
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Speaker 9: I looked into this and the additional tests are all
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Speaker 9: going to have innocent explanations.
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Speaker 1: Number one, I think that the prosecutionw you go on
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Speaker 1: and on.
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Speaker 2: Thinking you were going to come back circle back to
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Speaker 2: the question, which you did not while you stay that
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Speaker 2: Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty isn't it true
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Speaker 2: that she was convicted of abuse of a corpse?
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Speaker 1: She was not let go, she was actually found guilty.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that correct? Yes?
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Speaker 2: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
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Speaker 2: put your feet to the fire on that. But you
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Speaker 2: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
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Speaker 2: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
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Speaker 2: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
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Speaker 2: Josh Colsrude, it's very difficult to get a cod cause
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Speaker 2: of death in a case like this. But isn't Skyler
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Speaker 2: Richardson the one that buried the baby in the backyard
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Speaker 2: after she tried to burn the baby's body.
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Speaker 9: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
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Speaker 9: She told the police that she heard gurgle and that
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Speaker 9: it was briefly alive. She said this to actually her parents,
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Speaker 9: who were in the interrogation room when they didn't believe
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Speaker 9: that the recording was still going on.
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Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question I asked you?
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Speaker 1: What you just said?
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Speaker 2: May scottle look even worse, Scyttle Richardson because the baby
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Speaker 2: was alive. She said it was gurgling and alive when
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Speaker 2: she gave birth. Now it's up to a jury to
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Speaker 2: determine how the baby was born alive and ended.
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Speaker 1: Up burned and buried in the backyard. That said, my
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Speaker 1: question was to you, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what, I'm gonna go to Chris Byers, Chris Byer's
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Speaker 2: private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for my purposes.
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Speaker 2: He is the former police chief of John's Creek. Five
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Speaker 2: years in LA law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Buyers.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that you guys work the case of
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Speaker 2: the dead baby, but when it gets to court somehow,
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Speaker 2: when the victim is a baby, an infant, it gets
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Speaker 2: pled down to it voluntary or voluntary.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't get it.
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Speaker 10: In my experience with any of the cases that I've
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Speaker 10: had like that, they have been pled down. And yeah,
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Speaker 10: I can't explain it from the law enforcement side, that's
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Speaker 10: for sure.
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Speaker 2: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a
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Speaker 2: blanket in her closet? Do you think it wrapped itself
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Speaker 2: up and went in the closet and died?
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Speaker 1: Joining me?
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Speaker 2: Now, Hermonia Rodriguez, chief US reporter, Dailymail dot Com. Hermonia,
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Speaker 2: do we know if Snellings had roommates, because I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out who would call nine.
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Speaker 11: One one, right, That's one of the questions that remains
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Speaker 11: unanswered in this case. Police have refused to say whether
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Speaker 11: Snelling had any roommates and who called the police that morning,
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Speaker 11: so that remains open ended. However, there's a lot of
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Speaker 11: online speculation that says it was a roommate that called
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Speaker 11: the police that morning.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you were seeing shots beauty queen cheerleader Laken Snellings.
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Speaker 2: We already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are
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Speaker 2: infants or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down
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Speaker 2: and treated as less important than adult victims. I don't
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Speaker 2: get it, you know, I'm just thinking about who called
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Speaker 2: nine to one one? How did she keep the baby
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Speaker 2: a secret? Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez that she was,
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Speaker 2: you know, a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person
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Speaker 2: on the college cheerleading team, and you can see that
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Speaker 2: she's pregnant during her stunts.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at video of Lake and Snellings.
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Speaker 1: There you go, that is a baby right there. The baby,
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Speaker 1: the baby is in there.
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Speaker 10: I'm not a.
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Speaker 2: Medical doctor, but I can see that much she was
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Speaker 2: still performing stunts as a cheerleader while pregnant.
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Speaker 1: What you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall denial and I
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Speaker 1: ain't just a river in Egypt. Come on, what is this?
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Speaker 7: Bethany helped me out, Nancy. Not only is she in denial,
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Speaker 7: the whole team is denial.
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Speaker 3: It's in denial.
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Speaker 7: I mean, who's gonna pull a stunt like that when
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Speaker 7: you have a baby in your tommy? Nancy? What this
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Speaker 7: tells me is she was already disconnecting from the baby
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Speaker 7: as she was pregnant. A mother who wants a baby,
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Speaker 7: or who has a wanted baby and her tommy is
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Speaker 7: not going to pull a stunt like that, because the
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Speaker 7: maternal instinct is to protect your child. Nancy, did you
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Speaker 7: hear what the reporter just said. When she put that
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Speaker 7: baby in the plastic bag, she threw the cleaning material
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Speaker 7: on top of it. She threw trash on her baby.
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Speaker 7: It's so disturbing.
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Speaker 12: A member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team, Laken Snelling,
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Speaker 12: is driven, admired, and hiding a secret that will crack
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Speaker 12: her dreams.
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Speaker 2: And right now she is accused of a major felony
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Speaker 2: after her dead infant baby boy is found wrapped in
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Speaker 2: towels in a trash bag in her closet, straight out
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Speaker 2: to Harmonia Rodriguez joining us from Deally mail Harmonia.
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Speaker 1: There are two lines of.
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Speaker 2: Inquiry right now as to who call nine one one,
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Speaker 2: And this is important. Okay, you may think who cares
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Speaker 2: to call nine one one they found a dead baby
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Speaker 2: in the closet, But does the person that call nine
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Speaker 2: one one and have other facts and evidence that would
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Speaker 2: be probative.
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Speaker 1: So these are the two lines of inquiry.
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Speaker 2: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
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Speaker 2: came back to school at the end of the summer.
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Speaker 2: She didn't look the same as she did when spring
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Speaker 2: semester ended. She looked pregnant. Then on that Wednesday morning,
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Speaker 2: the pregnancy bump was gone. So when she went to
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Speaker 2: class that day, they the roommates, decided to go into
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Speaker 2: her room and take a look. There are also reports
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Speaker 2: that one of the roommates had a dog that was
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Speaker 2: going berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet,
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Speaker 2: and because of that they looked in the closet. Both
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Speaker 2: reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
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Speaker 2: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia,
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Speaker 2: I have.
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Speaker 1: Seen those reports.
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Speaker 11: One is from a local and the other one really
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Speaker 11: comes from this Facebook page that is about the case. However,
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Speaker 11: we have gone to police to ask about the circumstances
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Speaker 11: of who called nine one one, and they still are
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Speaker 11: not ready to release that information.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you're seeing video lake and snailings and it's kind
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Speaker 2: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
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Speaker 2: their fate. You know, there's no question she's beautiful, she's vivacious,
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Speaker 2: she's healthy, she's smart, and now she's charged with a felony.
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Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death, but.
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Speaker 2: Right now, that cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now,
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Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner, the chief Medical Examiner of Terran County,
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Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth, Texas, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School
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Speaker 2: of Medicine at TCU, and star of a hit new podcast,
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Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue, Doctor Kendall Crowns, joining us.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell me? They don't have a cood yet?
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Speaker 1: Cause of death?
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Speaker 2: Let me read between the lines that tells me there
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Speaker 2: was no visible cood like you can just look at
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Speaker 2: the baby and say, oh, the baby was bludgeon dead,
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Speaker 2: or the baby was shot, or the baby was stabbed,
22:29
Speaker 2: or ligature strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe even you might
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Speaker 2: need a microscopic exam to determine if there were a
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Speaker 2: particiar hemorrhage.
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Speaker 1: To the eyes.
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Speaker 2: But that tells me that the cod was none of
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Speaker 2: those things. What's happening, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 8: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
22:55
Speaker 8: you first have to determine if they were born alive.
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Speaker 8: There's certain things you can look for. One of them
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Speaker 8: is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks, they
23:05
Speaker 8: probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have this
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Speaker 8: thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of reddish
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Speaker 8: decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you know
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Speaker 8: they died in utero. And then finally, do they have
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Speaker 8: any major burst effects like they have no brain or
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Speaker 8: something of that nature. Then you go from there and
23:25
Speaker 8: you have to figure out if they If you determine
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Speaker 8: that they could have been born alive, then you have
23:29
Speaker 8: to determine if they actually took a breath, and that
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Speaker 8: can be a number of tests that are actually not
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Speaker 8: all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
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Speaker 8: but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last Days a woman charge in a baby's death,
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Speaker 2: please not guilty. Affidavits reveal claims by police said the
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Speaker 2: Kentucky cheerleader like in Snelling, giving birth then brazenly goes
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Speaker 2: to eat McDonald's while the baby is in her closet.
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Speaker 1: I don't know by that time was it dead, was
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Speaker 1: it alive?
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Speaker 2: We know that. She also says the baby was whimpering.
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Speaker 2: She heard whimpering sounds, which means the baby was alive.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 4: A new subpoena filed last month in December, ordering the
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Speaker 4: University of the Kentucky Medical Center to provide Snelling's medical
24:36
Speaker 4: records from August twenty twenty four to present. The hospital
24:41
Speaker 4: has until January twentieth to comply. That is the facility
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Speaker 4: which treated Snelling hours after she allegedly gave birth to
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Speaker 4: a baby, which she says fell into the floor of
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Speaker 4: her bedroom. That statement about the birth was allegedly made
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Speaker 4: at the school's medical facility during one of Snelling's interview
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Speaker 4: with members of the Lexington Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Back to the case.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us. Could you please dummy down man?
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Speaker 2: You said, oh, would let's say, did a floatation test?
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Speaker 9: What not?
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Speaker 2: Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
25:19
Speaker 2: talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
25:23
Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you
25:26
Speaker 2: just start over and speak regular people talk? Please, if
25:30
Speaker 2: not for the listener, for me, please start over if
25:33
Speaker 2: you don't mind.
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Speaker 8: So the main thing, like I was talking about, is
25:35
Speaker 8: they're going to be looking for any signs that the
25:38
Speaker 8: child was living when it was born. So did it
25:41
Speaker 8: take a breath? And if it took a breath, the
25:43
Speaker 8: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
25:46
Speaker 8: float if you put them in water, So you could say, oh,
25:49
Speaker 8: that they breathe if the lungs float in water. The
25:52
Speaker 8: problem with the flotation.
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Speaker 1: Test, Doctor Kendall Crown's right there, right there.
25:57
Speaker 2: You have to explain what that means, because that reminds
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Speaker 2: me of when we were first told the Idaho for
26:05
Speaker 2: students that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
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Speaker 1: So I was like they drifted off to a lullaby
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Speaker 1: and they woke up in heaven. That's not what happened.
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Speaker 1: They fought for their lives.
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Speaker 7: It was horrible.
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Speaker 2: You're saying the lungs are tested. What I believe you
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Speaker 2: mean is this infant is cut open, its lungs are removed,
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Speaker 2: and they're put in water to.
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Speaker 1: See if they float. Is that what that means?
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Speaker 8: That's correct.
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Speaker 2: You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
26:31
Speaker 2: it's nothing. This is a baby got to Kendall crowns
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Speaker 2: that now has to be cut open and its lungs
26:39
Speaker 2: removed from its little body. How big are baby lungs?
26:42
Speaker 2: How big are they and the inn dunked in water?
26:44
Speaker 2: How big is an infant's lungs?
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Speaker 8: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally,
26:50
Speaker 8: if they are newborn. If they are a newborn, their
26:53
Speaker 8: lungs are about a couple inches.
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Speaker 1: Maybe have you done a water test on a baby?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean what went through your min when you're
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Speaker 2: cutting out a baby's lungs.
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Speaker 1: That are this big?
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Speaker 2: About the size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup.
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you look at it in your hands
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Speaker 2: and think, my stars, what happened.
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Speaker 8: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
27:16
Speaker 8: no different than doing an autopsy and adults. I have
27:19
Speaker 8: to determine the cause and manner of death.
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Speaker 1: It's just it is what it is.
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Speaker 8: I have to figure out what happened to this child
27:25
Speaker 8: or happen to the adults. And that's the purpose of
27:27
Speaker 8: my employment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that you have to remain detached while
27:31
Speaker 2: you're performing all of this, but you know, when you
27:33
Speaker 2: just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong. I know
27:36
Speaker 2: for a fact that you're right, But when you say
27:39
Speaker 2: it so methodically, I mean, I got to think this
27:43
Speaker 2: through dtor Kendall Crowns. You're saying, one of the first
27:47
Speaker 2: things you do to determine COEOD if it's not immediately
27:49
Speaker 2: visible with the naked eye, is you do a float
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Speaker 2: test on the lungs. What that means is the baby
27:56
Speaker 2: is sliced open, its lungs, they're removed, and they're dunked
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Speaker 2: in water.
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Speaker 1: What kind of water? What is that in a pan?
28:02
Speaker 1: A sink?
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Speaker 9: What?
28:03
Speaker 8: It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
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Speaker 2: You know, we are talking on and on and on
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Speaker 2: doctor Kendl Crowns about Blake and Snellings. And she's a
28:14
Speaker 2: real life Barbie and she's a stunk person, and she's
28:17
Speaker 2: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous, and she's Miss Fairest of
28:19
Speaker 2: the Fair. Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's
28:25
Speaker 2: lying on a more table getting its chest sliced open,
28:29
Speaker 2: it's lungs.
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Speaker 1: Removed and put in water. Why does it have to
28:34
Speaker 1: be all about her?
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Speaker 2: That's that's why White Cases and Josh Colsrude would not
28:40
Speaker 2: answer earlier, former federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
28:48
Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. So you do a lung test, and
28:51
Speaker 2: if the lungs float, that means they had air in them.
28:56
Speaker 2: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
28:58
Speaker 2: you're going with that?
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Speaker 8: That's correct. I mean, if they've taken a breath, the
29:02
Speaker 8: lungs will float, But it could also mean they were
29:05
Speaker 8: given CPR. It could also mean there's decompositional gas formation.
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Speaker 8: So one of the other things you'll do with the
29:11
Speaker 8: floatation test is take the liver. Take a section of
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Speaker 8: the liver and place it in the water as well
29:17
Speaker 8: to see if it will float to show that there
29:20
Speaker 8: is or is not decomposition.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, White a minute, Wait a minute.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard this before. A float test on the
29:26
Speaker 2: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, why would you do a float test on a liver.
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Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver.
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Speaker 8: There would be no air in the liver. So if
29:36
Speaker 8: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
29:41
Speaker 8: But if it does float, then it puts into question
29:43
Speaker 8: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
29:47
Speaker 8: because there's air in them. So then you have to
29:50
Speaker 8: go to microscopic analysis.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you compare the float test of the liver
29:55
Speaker 2: to the float test of the lungs, and if the
29:57
Speaker 2: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
30:03
Speaker 2: the lungs are floating because the baby breathe, not because
30:07
Speaker 2: of decompositional gases.
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Speaker 1: Is that right correct?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby.
30:13
Speaker 2: What else will be examined to determine the cod of
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Speaker 2: this baby, because this all hinges.
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Speaker 1: On the COEOD. If the baby was dead when it
30:22
Speaker 1: was born, was still born.
30:24
Speaker 2: If then there's not going to be a murder prosecution.
30:28
Speaker 1: As Josh Cole's.
30:29
Speaker 2: Really pointed out, a lot is riding on the cause
30:33
Speaker 2: of death. What else will be done, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 8: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
30:39
Speaker 8: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope, looking
30:43
Speaker 8: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
30:46
Speaker 8: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
30:49
Speaker 8: sacks or the alveoli and the lungs have filled up
30:52
Speaker 8: with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is
30:55
Speaker 8: the placenta, if it's available. Looking at the placenta looking
30:58
Speaker 8: for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or
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Speaker 8: infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at
31:08
Speaker 8: the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if
31:11
Speaker 8: it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it
31:14
Speaker 8: has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking
31:17
Speaker 8: for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the
31:21
Speaker 8: shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child
31:24
Speaker 8: very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll
31:27
Speaker 8: also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,
31:31
Speaker 8: breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
31:35
Speaker 8: or crushing of the skull.
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Speaker 2: Harmonia Rodriguez dailymail dot com thinking about and analyzing what
31:40
Speaker 2: doctor Kimil Krause just said regarding was the baby shoulder
31:44
Speaker 2: broken or prolapsed when it was delivered, other injuries to
31:50
Speaker 2: the baby during delivery. It's my understanding that she had
31:55
Speaker 2: the pregnancy bomb one day and the next day when's day,
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Speaker 2: it was gone and she went to class, So obviously
32:04
Speaker 2: she did not have any injuries.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 11: And while we have not been able to confirm that
32:08
Speaker 11: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw the
32:11
Speaker 11: images show that she has a visible bump that she
32:15
Speaker 11: then did not have after given birth.
32:17
Speaker 1: However, so I think it's safe to say she was.
32:20
Speaker 11: Probably not injured, and the autopsy report did say that
32:23
Speaker 11: the baby did not have any obvious injuries either.
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Speaker 5: Good diversity, Joerson, County Bear.
32:33
Speaker 4: I am late in nine.
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Speaker 1: Com in his.
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Speaker 6: Nancy University of Kentucky, and she's twenty years of age.
32:46
Speaker 6: Her criterium is just selling the worse Meggs list while also.
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Speaker 2: Being a student.
32:53
Speaker 6: Adelte du One, anlete the stunty at a University of
32:59
Speaker 6: techy one hundred.
33:01
Speaker 1: Plus community service hours.
33:03
Speaker 6: Some cast you honor to day ground and Jerry City
33:07
Speaker 6: Bear's student there and be able to represent her.
33:10
Speaker 2: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
33:14
Speaker 2: Lake and Snellings is not charged with murder. We are
33:19
Speaker 2: waiting on a full and complete autopsy report.
33:24
Speaker 12: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
33:28
Speaker 12: Snelling's closet, inside a black trash bag the remains of
33:32
Speaker 12: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
33:35
Speaker 12: the birth.
33:36
Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
33:41
Speaker 2: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
33:44
Speaker 2: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
33:47
Speaker 2: in her closet, but I want you.
33:49
Speaker 1: To see some texts that we've uncovered.
33:52
Speaker 2: Here is lac And Snellings, and if you see her goals,
33:56
Speaker 2: let's see a close up of her goals motherhood. Well,
34:00
Speaker 2: then that baby's getting fed a bottle by a loving
34:02
Speaker 2: mom with blonde hair like Lake and Snellings. That is
34:05
Speaker 2: not what happened to this baby. And also circled as
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Speaker 2: her goal is a family with two children engagement, ring,
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Speaker 2: money and a house?
34:16
Speaker 1: What more have we learned?
34:18
Speaker 2: Being twenty is so weird, Like I'm an adult, but
34:20
Speaker 2: I still can't really really do anything. But people my
34:24
Speaker 2: age have kids, Well, I think she knows the answer
34:27
Speaker 2: to that. I actually start tweaking at the fact I
34:31
Speaker 2: may only birth boys and never get a girl.
34:35
Speaker 1: That would be a little small, miniature me.
34:40
Speaker 2: My parents had a whole child at my age, and
34:44
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to drive on to the.
34:47
Speaker 1: Tracks of a car wash.
34:51
Speaker 2: Okay, this and watching the kids play in the yard.
34:56
Speaker 2: She seems like she'd be a great mom. How I
34:59
Speaker 2: sleep at night knowing I'm dating the person I'm going
35:01
Speaker 2: to marry, maryge just Gary. What if he doesn't want
35:05
Speaker 2: to put our daughter in cheer the second she can walk? Okay,
35:11
Speaker 2: I need a shrink, and I need a shrink right now,
35:15
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, the well, they all are significant. Okay, Yes,
35:20
Speaker 2: none of this will likely ever come before a jury
35:23
Speaker 2: because they will be deemed not probative. In other words,
35:26
Speaker 2: they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything. Right, But
35:30
Speaker 2: what about the part about I want to have a
35:33
Speaker 2: mini me? What if I only birth boys? Which this
35:36
Speaker 2: was a baby boy, and I don't have a girl.
35:39
Speaker 2: I don't have a minime. That means something, Doctor Bethany.
35:43
Speaker 7: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
35:47
Speaker 7: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her.
35:50
Speaker 7: That she's very self centered, Nancy. She's wrapped up in
35:53
Speaker 7: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
35:57
Speaker 7: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now,
36:02
Speaker 7: women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
36:06
Speaker 7: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
36:09
Speaker 7: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,
36:13
Speaker 7: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
36:15
Speaker 7: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
36:19
Speaker 7: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation
36:23
Speaker 7: when you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
36:27
Speaker 7: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
36:31
Speaker 7: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
36:35
Speaker 7: there's the baby, Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
36:40
Speaker 7: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
36:45
Speaker 7: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
36:50
Speaker 7: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom. Maybe she
36:52
Speaker 7: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
36:55
Speaker 7: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
36:59
Speaker 7: and this baby was inconvenient because the little baby didn't
37:02
Speaker 7: come around at the right time in her whatever her
37:06
Speaker 7: plan was for her life.
37:08
Speaker 2: And Doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm
37:11
Speaker 2: not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about
37:16
Speaker 2: abortion tonight.
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Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms.
37:20
Speaker 2: But if you don't want the baby, why wait nine
37:25
Speaker 2: months and give birth and then murder the baby? Why
37:29
Speaker 2: do that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the
37:33
Speaker 2: first three months.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, In order to plan for an abortion, you have
37:37
Speaker 7: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
37:41
Speaker 7: a baby inside of you. That baby is growing. That
37:44
Speaker 7: baby will be a person in the real world with
37:47
Speaker 7: real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
37:51
Speaker 7: a need for care. I would doubt that she would
37:53
Speaker 7: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
37:57
Speaker 7: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
37:59
Speaker 7: a doctor and got her vitamins or her being able
38:03
Speaker 7: care or anything like that. That's one of the more
38:06
Speaker 7: fascinating parts of this story was did anybody recognize she
38:10
Speaker 7: was pregnant? Did her own mother recognize? What about the
38:12
Speaker 7: other people on the cheer team? Or was this sort
38:15
Speaker 7: of a pipe dream about having a baby at some
38:19
Speaker 7: point in her life. But at that point she didn't
38:22
Speaker 7: imagine herself to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from
38:25
Speaker 7: the reality of it all.
38:27
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
38:31
Speaker 2: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
38:34
Speaker 2: to the facts.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 4: Lincoln Snelling leads not guilty to all three charges levied
38:39
Speaker 4: against her and posted her one hundred thousand dollars vond.
38:43
Speaker 4: Snelling has been placed on house arrest at her parents
38:47
Speaker 4: Jefferson City home. She will not be required to wear
38:50
Speaker 4: an ankle monitor. Her next scheduled appearance in a Fayette
38:53
Speaker 4: County court is September twenty sixth.
38:58
Speaker 8: Her fugeneral relations arm that from.
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Speaker 2: Our friends at w KYT And you heard the judge
39:05
Speaker 2: there at the end, Judge John Tackett, Wait a minute, Harmonia,
39:10
Speaker 2: she not only has walked free, but she doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Even have to wear an ankle monitor. That's right, Nancy.
39:17
Speaker 1: The judge order her to await trial at her.
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Speaker 11: Parents' home in Tennessee, and specified that she would not
39:23
Speaker 11: have to wear an ankle monitor while she awaits her trial.
39:27
Speaker 2: Why, Josh Coles rude, you're the former federal prosecutor.
39:33
Speaker 1: Why not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle
39:36
Speaker 1: monitor to.
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Speaker 2: Hay with that?
39:38
Speaker 3: Why is she out on bond?
39:40
Speaker 8: Well?
39:41
Speaker 9: Typically, judges have to look at two different prongs when
39:45
Speaker 9: evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond, and
39:48
Speaker 9: if so, how much. The first is is the person
39:52
Speaker 9: a substantial danger to the community? And the second is
39:57
Speaker 9: are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing with
40:02
Speaker 9: somebody who doesn't have any in.
40:04
Speaker 1: Me that she's young and pretty and rich and white.
40:12
Speaker 1: What about that? Does that factor into that bond decision?
40:16
Speaker 1: Because I think it does. Is she too pretty for jail?
40:19
Speaker 1: Because that worked with debril Faye? Is that what happens
40:23
Speaker 1: just too cute?
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Speaker 9: Well, in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
40:28
Speaker 9: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
40:33
Speaker 9: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
40:38
Speaker 9: some lesser included charges as well. So until the time
40:42
Speaker 9: that the state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child.
40:47
Speaker 9: She's going to be treated as a low level offender.
40:57
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Cheerleaderlac and Snelling originally tells cops the baby fell to
41:08
Speaker 2: the floor fell on the floor after she gave birth,
41:12
Speaker 2: but she didn't think the baby was breathing or alive.
41:15
Speaker 2: According to the affidavit that we have obtained, she says
41:20
Speaker 2: that she thought the baby was dead and wrapped it
41:22
Speaker 2: like a quote burrito and laid next to it on
41:28
Speaker 2: the floor because it gave her a little comfort. What
41:32
Speaker 2: about the baby, She says, she woke up seven thirty am,
41:36
Speaker 2: put the baby in a trash bag.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's normal.
41:39
Speaker 2: Then shower, cleaned up blood, placed placenta in a ziplock
41:43
Speaker 2: bag before skipping morning classes and going for McDonald's. That's
41:53
Speaker 2: what we are learning. But here is the critical moment.
41:57
Speaker 2: Here is the critical statement. She admitted to medical staff
42:01
Speaker 2: the baby had shown quote a little bit of fetal
42:04
Speaker 2: movement and made a whimper after he was born. Then
42:11
Speaker 2: she deletes the photo she took while she was giving birth.
42:18
Speaker 2: Investigators believe there could be more images removed from her
42:22
Speaker 2: phone before her arrest. They will have to get that forensically.
42:26
Speaker 2: After a search warrant is obtained for her phone.
42:29
Speaker 1: What more do we know? Yay, I'm going to need
42:32
Speaker 1: to send a deputy over here. At one twenty five Lakeside,
42:35
Speaker 1: we got.
42:35
Speaker 2: A newborn baby's fund started.
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Speaker 8: Okay, any too, yep, thanks.
42:43
Speaker 4: Miss Kingham University Delta Gamma Theta sisters find a suspicious
42:47
Speaker 4: trash bag just outside the front door. Tearing it open,
42:51
Speaker 4: they make a gruesome discovery. Next to an instant macincheese
42:54
Speaker 4: box lies a dead baby girl. Emily Weaver admits she
42:59
Speaker 4: birthed the baby in the downstairs bathroom of the Theta house.
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Speaker 2: Okay, in that case, Sorry's sisters find a dead infant
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Speaker 2: and a trash bag right outside their front door, and
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Speaker 2: they immediately suspect and Emil Weaver listen, I just want
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Speaker 2: to be able to tell.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, the cause of death from the child. And did
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Speaker 13: you do anything physically too?
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Speaker 2: No, it's physically I really obviously didn't much at all.
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Speaker 8: It was more concerned would be.
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Speaker 12: Guy was intentionally get a billet.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would have like not put its head.
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Speaker 10: Up when you just want to drop you know what
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Speaker 10: I mean?
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Speaker 8: That's it was potentially inflicted.
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Speaker 2: You did.
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Speaker 4: Did you try and keep her alive?
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Speaker 2: And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that she
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Speaker 2: had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about a
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Speaker 2: month about the quote situation and then after just a
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Speaker 2: few hours after giving births as a text, no more
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Speaker 2: baby taken care of. The baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
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Speaker 2: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
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Speaker 2: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
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Speaker 2: sentenced to life.
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Speaker 1: That's what happened there. So I'm just.
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Speaker 2: Thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to
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Speaker 2: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby
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Speaker 2: in a trash bag wrapped in a towel.
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Speaker 1: As in this case.
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Speaker 2: Could that have been the cause of asphixitionation in the
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Speaker 2: case in chief? Now, that case was about Emily Weaver.
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Speaker 2: But then there's Alexei Chiviso.
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Speaker 14: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
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Speaker 14: put the baby in the trash can and then she
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Speaker 14: put another clean winer hoover the top of it, so
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Speaker 14: they looked when they looked in there, it looked there
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Speaker 14: was no trash in that, but it's underneath the clean
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Speaker 14: bag the baby's dead. Okay, we have them in Toronto too.
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Speaker 1: But she killed a kid?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, how to be?
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Speaker 14: I don't know, it's full time.
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Speaker 13: She just had it.
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Speaker 14: She had it in the bathroom, was what happened. And
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Speaker 14: then she whatever she did. I don't know if she's
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Speaker 14: gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's been
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Speaker 14: lying the whole time.
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Speaker 2: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then selling
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Speaker 2: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near.
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Speaker 1: The trash can. There's more.
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Speaker 7: We just started a.
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Speaker 6: Dead baby in the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so sorry I told you about this.
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Speaker 1: I just asked you babies, tell me the.
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Speaker 2: Truths not.
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Speaker 1: And nothing was crying.
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Speaker 8: Can do you guys have I'm the charge nurser. Do
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Speaker 8: you guys have any questions for me?
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Speaker 1: What nine months something was?
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Speaker 6: Let's see, have you watched the news of the girls
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Speaker 6: and what they do to their babies and when they go.
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Speaker 1: To jail, Doctor Anthony Marshall, what's with that mom?
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Speaker 7: The mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her
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Speaker 7: grand baby. It's it's really concerning. And you know, this
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Speaker 7: is what we call Nancy a soft kill. When women
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Speaker 7: kill their babies, usually it's suffocating them poisoning them, whereas
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Speaker 7: with men it sends to be some more of overt
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Speaker 7: physical violence. So this is just a soft kill. And
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Speaker 7: the mother never says, oh my god, my grandbaby. Those
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Speaker 7: words do not come out of the mother's mouth.
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Speaker 1: I don't like anything you just said. Soft kill. Those
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Speaker 1: words don't go together.
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Speaker 2: Imagine how awful it would be to be murdered my
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Speaker 2: Let's just say asphyxiation.
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Speaker 1: Then, imagine if you're a baby.
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Speaker 2: You can't speak, you can't move, you can't run away,
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Speaker 2: you can't fight back. You have to just lay there
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Speaker 2: and die with something held down over your nose and mouth.
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Speaker 2: And to doctor Kendall Crown's.
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Speaker 1: Soft kill, my rear end.
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Speaker 2: Could this baby have died by asphyxiation simply by the
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Speaker 2: baby putting being wrapped in towels and put in a
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Speaker 2: trash bag?
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Speaker 1: Could that have asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
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Speaker 8: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infronts or
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Speaker 8: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
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Speaker 8: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
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Speaker 8: trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough
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Speaker 8: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
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Speaker 8: they eventually will suffocate by being an a plastic bag,
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Speaker 8: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
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Speaker 8: it would suffocate you.
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Speaker 2: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear this case.
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Speaker 1: Similar and it's one brought up by Josh Cole Road
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Speaker 1: Skyler Richardson.
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Speaker 13: Is your bedroom mouthstairs or bathroom moufstairs? Okay, so you
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Speaker 13: had to walk downstairs? Are you carrying her? Did you
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Speaker 13: go into the garage or do you have an outdoor shed.
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Speaker 8: Like where you have a shovel?
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Speaker 7: Okay? When what did you find her?
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Speaker 13: What did you use?
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Speaker 1: Put a little old my god?
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Speaker 13: Okay, Anderson, what did you do?
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Speaker 7: Did you have it and you didn't have any help? Right?
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Speaker 13: Okay?
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Speaker 1: What did you do with her while you were digging
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Speaker 1: the hole?
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Speaker 2: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skylar Richardson, Dad
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Speaker 2: ask tell us what's going on and she says, I
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Speaker 2: tried to cremate the baby just a little. She tried
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Speaker 2: to burn the baby.
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Speaker 1: Chris, Yeah, that.
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Speaker 10: Is absolutely mind blowing.
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Speaker 8: That level of evil.
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Speaker 10: I just can't even imagine just just all of these cases.
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Speaker 10: We see just the level of selfishness and self absorbedness
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Speaker 10: in these in these girls, and just treating these babies
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Speaker 10: just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.
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Speaker 2: Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash, throwing.
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Speaker 1: Them in dumpsters. I want you to hear it from
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Speaker 1: the horse's mouth, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Here's Skylar Richardson stating that she tried to cremate the
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Speaker 2: baby just a little.
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Speaker 13: Kind tells that you have to tell you to hear that.
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Speaker 4: A little.
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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear.
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Speaker 2: At this juncture, Lincoln Snelling is not charged with murder.
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Speaker 2: We are also learning that her roommates could hear her
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Speaker 2: giving birth and then snuck in when she left to
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Speaker 2: go to McDonald's to find the baby stuffed in her
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Speaker 2: closet hours later. Snelling reportedly tells the roommates the noise
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Speaker 2: they heard was when she quote fell over passing out
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Speaker 2: from a routine illness. When the roommates find the baby
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Speaker 2: in the closet, they till the dispatcher at nine one one.
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Speaker 2: The infant was quote cold to the touch. After her arrest,
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Speaker 2: Snelling withdraws from school and is no longer a member
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Speaker 2: of the stunt team. Hey, she's got bigger problems than
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Speaker 2: that Leaving the stunt Team. Lincoln Snelling needs to.
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Speaker 1: Consider life behind bars and what that will be like.
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Speaker 1: We wait as just as suppose. Goodbye friend,