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The system that can turn off your life · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Now, with that, let's get started.
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  Today's conversation is with Catherine Austin Fitz to talk about central bank digital currencies and a whole list of other uh political and current hot topics.
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  Catherine, my friend, it's so good to see you, and welcome to the 10 Penny Files.
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  Thanks for joining me here.
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  It's so good to see you.
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  And I want you to know I've been thinking, I've been so looking forward to the chance to talk with you.
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  You know, it's hard to get to talk to you with you because you're such a busy person.
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  But I was thinking about the fact that we were gonna be in cahoots again and in this interview, and I thought back and I remember the first year of the pandemic hearing your voice when you said I think it was 450 interviews.
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  You'd done 450 interviews in one year.
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  Do you remember?
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  It was 600.
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  600.
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  Okay.
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  Well, clearly I talked to you before the end of the year.
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  So maybe you were halfway through.
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  Anyway, but but the thing I remember was we were trying to prove that it was stupid to wear masks.
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  Right.
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  And I said to you, look, can you give me a survey of the literature on this?
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  Because you were saying the literature says it's stupid to wear masks.
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  And you came back with what I can only describe as the like biblical encyclopedia of mask studies.
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  Do you remember?
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  It was amazing.
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  It was a thing of beauty, and I remember thinking, and it it was so devastating.
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  I mean, it just destroyed any possibility that the mass policy made sense other than as a political and economic it.
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  It was amazing.
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  I was I was overwhelmed by it.
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  And you, I think you'd spent like 27 hours working straight to do it or something.
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  And I looked at it and I said, This is a great doctor.
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  This is what great doctors do.
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  You know, they this is how they save lives.
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  So my father was a doctor, and he had a reputation of saving cases, you know, saving people's lives when they've been declared hopeless.
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  And he used to come home from work and he would stay up all night reading books and calling all over the world.
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  It was before the internet, trying to find, you know, out-of-the-box solutions for somebody who's trying to save.
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  And and when I looked at your mask study, you just so reminded me of him.
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  It's like my father plus the internet.
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  Oh my god.
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  For that, you know, I just did a a uh I spoke at a at a meeting in Idaho a couple of weeks ago, and they wanted me to speak on because they've heard me say this on interviews.
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  I talk about the gifts of COVID.
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  So they wanted me to do this whole conversation about the gifts of COVID.
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  And in the middle, the middle parts kind of or the beginning is was scientific.
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  The middle part was meant to be humorous because we have to laugh at ourselves for the crazy things we did.
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  And then was it was at a at a mega church conference, so it was more a scriptural at the end.
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  But the middle part, I'd found all of these pictures of people during COVID doing things like kissing each other with masks on, and you know, sitting behind plexi glass, like that was supposed to protect us and the little stamps on the floor, six feet apart because the virus would come out of your mouth and go exactly six feet and drop to the floor, you know.
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  And there was, and I said, of course we still see this one.
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  And the last one was a guy in his car by himself driving around with a mask and gloves on, you know, and we still see it.
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  We still see people you travel a lot.
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  We still see people in airports with masks on and you see people occasionally in a store.
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  And I um I just don't just don't know what to say about that.
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  I just don't.
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  I what I say is neurowarfare.
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  I guess you're right.
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  Right, neurowarfare.
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  Well, you know, let's start.
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  We've got so many things that we could talk about.
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  We could do this for three hours.
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  Unfortunately, we're sort of uh have a time constraint.
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  So let's start with some current topics.
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  Uh, I heard you in a recent interview say that the city of London is really what shut down the Straits of Harmuz.
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  Uh well, they they did the first shutdown.
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  So, you know, it was triggered by pulling of insurance, starting with um the US uh torpedoing or I I forget exactly how it happened, but destroying an Iranian uh ship that had come in for exercises outside of Sri Lanka.
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  And and it was right at that point, I'm told the city of London started to pull their maritime insurance or dramatically increase the prices.
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  And so the first uh I would say the first wave of shutdown came from the city and the insurance industry in the city, but then you know, then of course we have the war itself interfering.
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  So both the Iranians and and what was happening at the war stopping the travel through.
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  But didn't Trump say that we would pay for that and we would use military ships to escort other ships through the straits.
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  Yes, at one point he said that.
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  And um so here's the 64,000 question, because I think what you're looking at is COVID 2.0.
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  I'll I'll be blunt.
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  I just think this is COVID 2.0.
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  But what?
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  Explain why you think that.
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  So um, because if if you want, I mean, you you're looking at economic warfare number one, but also you're looking at economic warfare that is basically implementing the same thing that COVID did, which is you dramatically centralized control of strategic resources and shut down the weak or the small guys so that you can centralize and consolidate power.
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  Okay.
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  Now, if if you one of the reasons this war is happening, remember Wesley Clark said we were going to attack seven countries in five years.
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  Okay.
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  Well, the last of those seven countries is Iran.
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  And and those countries countries were leakage in the central banking system.
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  So if you wanted to implement an all-digital control grid through the financial transaction system, you needed those countries in the in the model.
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  And in fact, they've done, they've imploded and sort of gotten control of each one of those countries, and Iran is the last one.
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  And that's part of what you need if you're going to move forward with implementing what I call programmable money in the digital control grid.
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  So Iran is leakage in the central banking system, and that's part of the problem.
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  The other part of the problem is, you know, you have the United States who wants to be the multipolar power.
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  They've shed their multipolar obligation.
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  So they're no longer, they're saying, okay, we're not going to spend any money on being the global policeman, but we're going to be the unipolar bully.
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  And you have the BRICS Nation saying we want to be a multipolar world, and we we don't want to be controlled or um dramatically drained economically by a unipolar bully.
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  So we're going to do the BRICS payment system.
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  And so there's real tension between, you know, what the BRICS are trying to do and what the US is trying to do.
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  And of course, the Gulf is in the middle of it because the question is who controls the energy.
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  Now, the United States has done tremendous work in trying to build energy self-sufficiency.
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  And so if you look at its net supply, we are pretty much protected from the shutdown.
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  Other countries, for example, Japan or the Philippines are very, very vulnerable.
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  Um, but if you look at the balance of power globally, the US relatively is put in the cat bird seat by this kind of shutdown.
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  And it's interesting, you would have laughed.
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  One of the economic spokesperson of people for the White House said the
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  Other day on an interview.
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  Um, oh, the economy US economy will be fine because we're net surplus energy.
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  The consumer won't be, but the economy will be fine.
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  So now it's a billionaire economy.
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  We don't care how the consumers are.
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  Actually said that.
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  Yeah, you said that.
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  We cut out the clips.
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  So I'm just about to record our our news trends and stories.
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  Uh we do a uh quarterly wrap-up and an annual wrap-up where we do a long review of the top stories, and I have about uh 60 video clips, you know, one minute or less that I show, and that's going to be one of the video clips because it's priceless.
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  He says the economy is going to be fine, the consumers will be in trouble, but the economy will be fine.
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  You're no longer a consumer, you're compost.
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  Um the the uh one of my favorite videos from the annual wrap-up, not last year, but the year before was Larry Fink saying, we've changed the economic model so we can grow with a shrinking population.
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  Oh God.
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  You know, speaking of checklists, uh, you know, on the Solari uh website, you have a checklist of Trump events that are just it's it's endless.
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  And it's just what you've cataloged.
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  And I've heard you say many times in interviews that Trump was put in place to build the control grid.
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  Talk about some of those things on that checklist.
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  So if you look at the digital control grid, there are three main parts.
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  Okay.
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  The first is the digital ID, because it's very important.
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  If I'm going to control everybody and everything with AI and machines, you know, I have to be phenomenally price precise.
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  They Sherry Tenpenny is Sherry Tenpenny and Catherine Austin Fitz is Catherine Austin Fitz, and I can aggregate all the data and all the databases around them.
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  So identity is essentially perfect.
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  So you need that kind of high quality.
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  And those databases and that database operation needs to be interoperable globally since it's a global model.
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  Okay.
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  And that means we need very high quality digital ID systems.
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  Now, you know, the different the different syndicates, the different cartels compete to be that digital ID system.
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  So the healthcare guys want the vaccine passports to be the digital ID system, and the tech brothers have their version, and you know, Bill Gates has his version.
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  You know, so so you're seeing a lot of competition.
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  But essentially, you know, the problem, the big stopper on the digital ID was the conservatives.
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  They knew how dangerous a digital ID was, and you know, they tried to push it in the Patriot Act, and everybody on the conservative side has fought it, fought it, fought it, fought it, fought it for years at both the federal and state level.
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  But um, I can I came to the conclusion during the campaign that Trump was being put in to use election fraud and immigration as the excuse to promote and and lock up the digital ID system because of course you always want to fund it with taxpayers' money.
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  You want to put people in a digital concentration camp and make them pay for it, right?
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  So, and and if you see how they're using immigration and election fraud, you know, watch Steve Miller, because Steve Miller is the sort of the linchpin in the in the um administration for trying to basically tear up the constitution and put all these things in place.
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  Anyway, so at least that's my impression.
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  So um, so you know, it was clear to me that Trump was going to use those two things, and that's exactly what's happening.
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  I mean, if you look at what's happening with the Safe Act, it's uh it's it's not gonna, it's it's gonna bring much less fair elections.
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  It's gonna, you know, mess up the voting even worse.
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  But what it's gonna do is it's gonna help that digital ID system.
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  Why is it gonna mess up things even worse?
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  I don't think people are aware of that.
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  Yeah, if you look at all the people whose IDs will not work for to vote, they're basically going to be shut out to vote.
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  So you've got a lot of people who are gonna have to go through a lot of hoops to create new IDs, and and a lot of people from what I've I've been listening to are gonna get shut out.
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  I mean, it it you don't need these bills.
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  So we had good elections before digital technology.
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  We had borders that worked before digital technology, you know, and and you have all these excuses why we need more digital technology, and every time we get more digital technology, we get more central control.
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  Okay.
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  So the whole story is BS.
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  We we don't need more digital technology.
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  We need less criminality and less lawlessness, right?
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  So I mean, we have all the laws in the books that the federal government to get things to work and to enforce any criminality that's going on, but we don't.
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  There's 21 trillion missing from the federal government.
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  Has anybody pursued it or gotten it back or prosecuted somebody for stealing it?
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  No.
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  Has anybody been prosecuted for Epstein?
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  No.
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  So no, we don't need digital IDs to make children safe online because pedophiles are roaming free, you know, right?
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  And if somebody is caught doing pedophilia, they can run to Israel and they'll be safe there.
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  Really?
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  You know, so come on.
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  Well, we don't need more laws.
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  We need to enforce the good laws we have.
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  You know, you've said, I've heard you say that this current administration is the most corrupt and and it had the largest amount of grift that you've ever seen.
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  And you've been in politics for a long time.
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  Um, this is you even mentioned in a recent interview that it's more than 21 trillion, it's more like 55 trillion.
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  Well, so let's go back to 1998.
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  There's 20 from 1998 to 2015, there's 21 trillion missing from DOD and HUD.
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  During the bailouts between 2006 and 2012, there were 29 trillion of bailouts.
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  Some people say, well, some of it got paid back, you know, whatever, but I'll I'll use 29.
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  I if I made you an interest-free loan of a billion dollars for two years, I'd do sure you could make a little money with it.
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  So anyway, so that's 21 trillion plus 29 trillion.
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  That's you know, that's 40, 50 trillion.
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  Then during the going direct reset during COVID, you injected five trillion directly, and that's not even counting quantitative easing.
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  Now we're up to 55 trillion.
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  That's a lot of money.
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  Right?
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  Right.
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  I saw so, but but here's the thing.
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  The federal government has been run outside the laws related to financial management since 1998.
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  Now, we got to 2017, and Dr.
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  Skidmore and I published a report on the 21 trillion missing, a complete survey that he and his students had done and a complete description of it.
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  All the documentation from the federal, because that 21 trillion number doesn't come from me or from Dr.
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  Skidmore.
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  It comes from the federal financial statements and information.
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  So this is from federal government documentation of their finances, and each year they refuse to produce audited financial statements as required by law.
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  So in 2017, after we published it, there was a big hull of blue and an argument about why the DOD kept, you know, they'll say they're going to produce an audit in eight years and then they don't.
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  It's then it's another eight years and then they don't.
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  Anyway, so so the final result of that was under the Trump administration, the first one in 2018 in October.
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  And I will tell you, Sherry, I don't think the pandemic could have happened without this.
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  In October 2000 uh 18, the Trump administration and the House and the Senate, Republican and Democrat all together agreed on a policy called Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56.
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  Okay.
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  Now that's a name that could put you to sleep, right?
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  So you know what that policy said?
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  I'm going to grossly summarize it.
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  And we have a major piece on the Soleria report on what this is and how it works.
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  Basically said that a secret group of people by a secret process could take a portion of the government finances and move it into a secret compartment and not include it in the financial statements.
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  And uh, and that way, oh, and it it would apply not just to the 24 covered agencies, but 150 related government entities, which means if you go to the financial statements of the U.S.
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  government, they are entirely meaningless because you don't know what's in and you don't know what's out, and you don't know why it's out or who did it.
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  It's just like we're in La La Land.
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  Now, let me explain what that means to you and your 401k and your IRA.
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  That means that all the stocks and bonds for large cap because with the classification laws and the defense laws, national defense laws, it then umbrellas and includes the big banks and and government contractors and IT firms doing doing work with the government.
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  Okay, they can keep some or their books secret as well, right?
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  So now what you've got is you have the majority, in my opinion, of the large cap bonds and stock market in the United States, everything's secret.
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  Their financial statements, in my opinion, I don't know what to make of them.
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  I don't, you know, I don't look at those.
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  I have an investment screen, and none of those stocks get on my screen.
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  And and the reason they don't get approved for their screen is I don't know what their financial statements mean.
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  I I don't know how to analyze them.
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  You
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  I used to always read the federal budget and finances.
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  I don't anymore.
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  It doesn't mean anything to me.
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  Wow.
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  Right.
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  And you know, it's not just me.
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  If you look at the judges and the courts, the courts have reached a point where they don't believe, you know, when I first had to litigate against the Department of Justice, and they would falsify evidence and they would lie.
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  The judges assumed that they were telling the truth.
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  They would always give the government the benefit of the doubt.
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  The judges don't do that anymore.
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  They know the Department of Justice and the government lies to them all the time.
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  They don't trust them, they don't believe them.
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  I just read the decision that a DC judge made on the lawsuit.
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  The you know, the the DC U.S.
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  attorney sued the uh uh the Federal Reserve and J Powell on criminal charges, and then the Fed moved to quash the um subpoenas, and the judge's decision was one of the funniest things I've ever read.
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  And between the lines, what it says is you bunch, you guys are a joke.
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  You're all clowns.
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  Nothing you say means anything.
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  It's a joke.
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  The whole thing's a joke.
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  You're a joke.
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  And they quashed the subpoenas, and they just said.
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  Wow.
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  I know it was amazing.
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  Well, if if you see what's going on in the courts around ice, it's frightening.
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  And um, you know, uh ice was promised to us as, and we'll get back to the three parts of the control grid.
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  ICE was promised to us that they were going to go after hardened criminals.
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  But in May of 2025, Steve Miller says, we want quotas.
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  So you have a new organization that's growing fast.
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  If you listen to the testimony that that uh one of the attorneys left ice and then reported what was happening, they cut the training weight down, right?
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  And they're so they're growing fast, they're cutting the training rate down, and they put on quotas that are way too many, you know.
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  They want a certain amount of rest per day and per month, and it's a huge quota.
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  And the way they can make the quota is instead to go after moms to go after kids, to show up at the schools, to show up, you know, at places where it's easy to round people up.
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  Instead of going after the hardened criminals are hard to go after, you know, and there's risk involved, it's dangerous.
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  So instead of going in the hardened criminals, they're trying to meet the quota, and they're just rounding people up.
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  And now you've got the kind of hullabaloo, and that's when people started to get shot.
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  Now, uh, it's funny because during that time, just coincidence.
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  I went back, and there was a new documentary about um the reporter broke this story about my lie, and I have completely forgotten this.
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  The reason the sort of genocide happened at my live during the Vietnam War, was Westmoreland had put on huge quotas, and the only way they could make the quotas was to kill civilians.
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  Wow.
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  You know, because the the you know, the the North Vietnamese would run and hide in the jungle.
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  But you know, it's easy to drop in a village and kill 300 civilians and you make your quota.
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  Wow.
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  I just saw an Instagram, somebody sent me a fill of thing this morning of a nice guy that just got an ICE employee, what do you call them, ICE officer, got on an airplane and and started taking people off an airport.
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  Citizens.
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  One of them was a policeman.
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  Yes.
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  And you know, the one guy he got off, he said, you know, yes, my mother was a Mexican, but I was born here, and he was like in his 30s.
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  He said, I've lived here my whole life.
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  I was I'm a naturalized citizen.
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  I was born here, and they're just taking people off the airplanes.
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  It's like this is it's really crazy of how many people are getting so it's worth because I was just emailing with a great sheriff.
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  So, you know, some of the greatest people in America, the sheriff, and you know how great sheriffs during the pandemic really protected people.
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  Under the Constitution, the sheriff is the ultimate constitutional author uh authority in any place.
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  They are trying to get states to pass legislation that puts the sheriff under the control of ice.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Yeah.
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  That's yeah.
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  Right.
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  That that's trying to, and and you know who's calling the governor and pushing these things?
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  Steve Miller, same guy who put on the quotas.
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  Well, that's a lot to digest.
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  I want to make one comment before we're going to take a quick station break here.
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  Uh, when you were talking about the trillion dollars, I remember seeing a graphic years ago that described what a trillion dollars was, and they took hundred dollar bills.
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  It was a kind of a cartoonish type of thing.
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  They took hundred dollar bills, and they stacked up a hundred dollar bills that this is a thousand, then this is a million, then this is what you know.
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  So this is what a million hundred dollar bills look like, which is like a little stack.
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  So you thought you were so rich, and then they would go to a hundred million, then a billion, then uh uh a hundred billion, and then they said, now are you ready for this?
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  And the next graphic was a trillion dollars, which was like seven feet tall and about the size of a of a football field.
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  And underneath it, it says, keep this picture in your mind when the government starts talking about, you know, five trillion, ten trillion, twenty-one trillion, fifty-five trillion.
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  What means, and to put it into terms that people could really see visually see and begin to understand that it's just a completely overwhelming impossible.
• 25:19
  There is no reason for children to have poor nutrition, to have poor health care, for anybody to be homeless.
• 25:27
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• 25:34
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• 25:36
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• 25:41
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• 25:51
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• 26:02
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• 26:05
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  Today's conversation is with Catherine Austin Fitz, an accelerated independent thinker to warn about the central bank digital currency that we haven't even gotten to yet, Catherine.
• 34:32
  Okay, so we said there are three parts of the control grid.
• 34:35
  And you mentioned the collection that we have at the Soleria Report.
• 34:40
  When the new administration started, you know, I had said that Trump was being put in to build a control grid, but I never dreamed that they would hit the deck running and move as fast as they did.
• 34:50
  Even I was, and it was funny.
• 34:52
  I was doing interviews each week, and the list was getting so long of the things they'd done.
• 34:58
  I started to forget items.
• 34:59
  So I said, okay, we have to, you know, we have to keep a list.
• 35:02
  And so then it started, we started updating it every week, and it's grown into this huge collection.
• 35:07
  Anyway, so so one is the digital ID.
• 35:10
  So we just talked about that.
• 35:11
  But then the second is programmable money.
• 35:14
  And some people, they're the uh programmable money, which is issued by the central bank is often referred to as CBDC, but now we have stable coins and digital tokens and other forms of crypto, which is a think of this as a privately issued central bank digital currency because it comes with a private face, but behind it you have government policies that implement and can implement any rule system, you know, the C BDC could do.
• 35:43
  So it's funny because if you look at who the likely big issuers of those crypto are going to be, it's the banks that own the central bank.
• 35:53
  So it's kind of like meet the new boss, same as the old boss, but now you have a private face.
• 35:57
  And if you remember Twitter, the censorship through Twitter, the government's telling them what they're going to censor, and then they're censoring, and the government's telling you, well, they're a private organization, they can do whatever they want, right?
• 36:10
  So you had this little public-private game to get the worst of both worlds.
• 36:14
  And it was a way of pulling off censorship without it being overtly the government, you know, or the central bank.
• 36:20
  Anyway, so so programmable money is money where the rules of how and where you can use that money are embedded right into the currency.
• 36:32
  So right now, if you take a $10 bill and go, you know, nobody can change.
• 36:38
  No nobody can instruct that that $10 bill, oh, you can't buy pizza.
• 36:44
  Or if if Sherry leaves her 15-minute city, you know, it won't work outside of her 15 minute city.
• 36:50
  But with digital money, you can program not only thousands of rules into the money, but you can make it dynamic.
• 36:58
  So I have you under surveillance, and if you're not good, I can punish you, or I can charge you fees, or I can increase your taxes.
• 37:07
  So it's a very dynamic system.
• 37:09
  And um, and so we have been working with legislation to put up guardrails to say you can't use programmable money to strip people of their fundamental constitutional rights.
• 37:20
  So you can't turn off their money if you don't like what they said on social media, or you can't find them, you know, automatically if if you don't like what they said on social media.
• 37:31
  So a lot of people know the concept of the Chinese social credit system.
• 37:35
  What we're saying is you you can't use a social credit system to um uh to strip people of their constitutional rights, and you can't force them to use programmable money.
• 37:46
  You know, you have to give them an option other than that if they don't want to use your programmable money.
• 37:51
  If it's voluntary, fine.
• 37:52
  But and so this is just the idea of putting up guardrails so that so that financial transactions can't be used to do super controls, whether it's from private parties or the government or both.
• 38:05
  And um, anyway, so we have model legislation, and we've been working with states and various activists to try and implement this.
• 38:13
  Um, and it's important because if you look at the speed at which now the volume of crypto outstanding is going to go up, it's going to be extraordinary.
• 38:20
  And of course, all of it can be programmable, whether it's, you know, whether it's stable coins with dollars or stable coins with gold or stable coins with euros or whatever.
• 38:30
  You've got to put those guardrails on because um this is money that's going to be run by machines.
• 38:37
  So we have digital IDs, we have programmable money.
• 38:40
  The third thing we have is the hardware infrastructure.
• 38:43
  You need to make all of this go.
• 38:45
  And at the heart of the of the infrastructure, in addition to telecommunications and satellites, of course, are the data centers.
• 38:53
  So, what is AI good at?
• 38:55
  AI is great at tracking and implementing things that can be expressed mathematically.
• 39:02
  So, financial transactions and spatial control.
• 39:06
  So, what you're looking at in those data centers are the big brains that will run the surveillance and control system.
• 39:12
  That's what they're there for.
• 39:14
  They're not there to make businesses more efficient.
• 39:17
  They're not there to suddenly make you know our world more intelligent.
• 39:21
  They are there to control you and me.
• 39:24
  And not only are they there to control you and me, but to do it in a way where we're financing it, we're paying to build our own control grid because this system will be run by the machines.
• 39:33
  You're talking about so much data and so much surveillance and analysis in real time that that it needs to be, you know, essentially run by AI.
• 39:46
  So, um, and in that system, you have uh the flock cameras.
• 39:50
  Do you know about Flock?
• 39:52
  So Flock is a company that's doing deals with city council all over the country and counties to implement licensed.
• 40:00
  Plate readers so that they can track everybody where they're going, what they're doing.
• 40:04
  The cars now all have cameras so they can watch you while you're driving, they can track everything you're doing, they can record it, ship it back to a variety of places.
• 40:13
  It's one of the reasons they want to kill switch, because if you're not good, they can also turn off your car or turn off your electricity.
• 40:19
  So it's not just turn off your money, turn off your power.
• 40:22
  So um, and then the final thing is going to be drones and robots, because you're not going to be dealing necessarily with the local sheriff.
• 40:30
  You're going to be dealing with a a team of humanoid robots made by Tesla, you know, who are gonna work for the local sheriff's office or whatever the enforcement, you know, they're gonna work for ice.
• 40:42
  Ice ultimately will be replaced by robots, is what I expect.
• 40:46
  So, well, no, it's very dystopian, and and you've got autonomous weapons.
• 40:51
  If you look at the Palantir system, you know, the Palantir system, if you look at the lavender system in in Gaza, it was designed, in fact, so that the software picked the targets, and so if the target represented an international crime, there was no IDF officer who was legally responsible.
• 41:10
  Wow.
• 41:11
  Because the software picked the yeah.
• 41:13
  So you're gonna have a system which is run by AI and it's gonna have robot and drones, and so if it makes a mistake and kills a human, nobody's responsible legally.
• 41:24
  Wow.
• 41:25
  How with the central bank digital currency, and I know you've been talking about this for several years now.
• 41:30
  How close are we to full implementation of that?
• 41:32
  So don't think about central bank digital currency, because what they're going with in the United States and other countries they're going with the central bank digital currency, they're going with stable coins and digital tokens and Bitcoin and crypto, and and it's going to be much more dangerous than CBDC because the central banks have public responsibilities.
• 41:53
  They have an obligation to the public by law, they have disclosure responsibilities.
• 41:58
  The way they're setting up stable coins and digital tokens, they're gonna have a public-private interface.
• 42:03
  It's gonna be programmable money, and potentially it's far more dangerous.
• 42:08
  So, oh yeah.
• 42:09
  So Circle, um, they the Genius Act passed last year to uh implement stable coins, and we have a great briefing on our financial transaction freedom website.
• 42:20
  We do a briefing every month for legislators.
• 42:22
  We have a great briefing on stable coins, which will help you get an education.
• 42:26
  But um, the genius act proposed regulations just came out in February, and they hope to finalize them by the end of the year.
• 42:34
  They're currently negotiating the Clarity Act, and when that passes with its regulations, it will oversee essentially digital assets, which they're planning on digitizing the whole stock and bond market and trading it through the crypto rails, just like they're planning on trading, you know, the the currency market through the stable coin through the crypto rails.
• 42:54
  So, you know, here's the traditional financial system, whether it's currency or stocks and bonds, and they're planning on creating a whole new crypto version that will give them the ability to do things which are gonna be pretty wild.
• 43:09
  So um Larry Finka said he wants to trade the stock and bond markets with tokens.
• 43:15
  Let's say you take 250 trillion dollars of global stocks and bonds, you somehow create tokens to represent them, and you proceed to trade them outside of the traditional securities laws.
• 43:28
  Coinbase has said that they're gonna offer they're gonna, and and this is gonna do 24-7.
• 43:33
  So we're gonna go to a stock market that's global and it's open 24-7 without interruption.
• 43:39
  And imagine the games you can play in Coinbase has said they're gonna offer 20 times margin.
• 43:45
  So imagine how many young people they can strip mine with that kind of gambling model.
• 43:52
  What's happening right now with the gold and silver market?
• 43:54
  I mean, silver's tanked by 50% over the last couple of months, and and and gold is down by more than a thousand dollars an ounce.
• 44:01
  And usually it's in time of war that you see those skyrocket.
• 44:05
  No, you see, you usually see them go down during war.
• 44:08
  War is very deflationary to to precious metals, in part because you know, people liquidate the paper market, which is a big price leader, and then um, and some people have to liquidate hard metal to um you know to get cash.
• 44:26
  So traditionally war scenarios or the fear of war is very deflationary.
• 44:31
  I it's been that way ever since I've started it, uh started following it in 2000.
• 44:36
  I never followed precious metals, so I've been following it for about 26 years.
• 44:41
  But um, so that's typical is it's deflationary.
• 44:44
  And if this keeps going for much longer, it could could be even more.
• 44:48
  You know, I look at it and I'm like, oh good, a sale.
• 44:54
  So if you don't have your core position, if you go to Soleria, we have a great old piece called What Percentage of My Acid Should I Have in Precious Metals, and we divide your investment in a core piece and an investment piece.
• 45:06
  If you don't have your core piece, you know, a sale is a great time to get your core piece.
• 45:11
  So I I always believe you shouldn't wait, just get your core piece.
• 45:14
  And of course, I was buying silver until it shot up, and I was saying for the last two years, uh, silver's on sale, it's so great.
• 45:21
  I'm buying silver, and then you know, then it shot up, and I had to stop, and then boom, now I'm gonna go back in and I'm waiting to see what I'm gonna go back in.
• 45:30
  But um, you know, my read on gold and silver is if you look at the bullion market from everything I can tell, you know, the demand continues to be dramatic of people acquiring billion.
• 45:41
  I mean, that the Chinese are selling treasuries and buying gold and silver.
• 45:45
  So the long-term trend is clearly we're gonna bull market, but war could be very deflationary, and I don't know how much they could take it down.
• 45:54
  I was I was wondering if it would bottom out at about 4300, but I I haven't looked at it today.
• 45:59
  I'll look now, but um it certainly yesterday when I looked at the charts, it hadn't bottomed, in my opinion.
• 46:07
  Oh, I say that, and it's flying up 153.
• 46:13
  So I'll I'll see what the charts say.
• 46:15
  Silver today is I think it's 63 dollars, and they were projecting that to go to three to four hundred dollars because silver isn't some because silver is something that's used in electronics and silver right now, so gold right now is uh 4530, and silver is 7079.
• 46:34
  That can that went up almost.
• 46:35
  Yeah, it's it's two dollars and it's up two dollars and ninety cents.
• 46:39
  Uh well, yes, true, yeah, this morning earlier when I looked at it was like 65.
• 46:44
  My guess is, you know, I'm not saying this is gonna happen, but because my expectation is this could go on for quite a long time, but um it, you know, if if the Trump administration finds an off-ramp and finds a way to end this or get out of it, you could really see gold fly up.
• 47:01
  So, you know, the question is how long will the you know, war's gonna be deflationary to gold and silver.
• 47:07
  The other thing is PAL in his um when he announced the the last meeting, he he indicated he was not gonna be adverse if he had to to increase interest rates because inflation is now a very big problem, and it's gonna get worse.
• 47:22
  And um, and if you're the central bank, you're you know, if you want to curtail inflation, you're gonna take interest rates up.
• 47:29
  And that that can be very negative for precious metals prices in the short run.
• 47:34
  Wow.
• 47:35
  Well, let's say we've got about 10 minutes left here in our conversation.
• 47:38
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• 47:43
  Because the pesticide immunity bills, uh they keep moving them around to be so that they can slip them in in different places.
• 47:50
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• 47:51
  So I had I had a great interview with Alexandra Munos, who's the toxicologist who did a fabulous job in both North Carolina and and Tennessee of educating legislators to the dangers of this.
• 48:07
  And we had her on financial rebellion, and towards the very end of the show, you know, she's a very careful measured scientist.
• 48:14
  So not, you know, she's a scientist, she's very technical and very studious and serious.
• 48:21
  And we get to the end, and she says, because you could see she's realizing she hasn't quite gotten through to, you know, it's Polly and Carolyn and me.
• 48:31
  And she says, you have to understand if they get this, and then they do what they say they're gonna do.
• 48:38
  I consider that an extinction level event.
• 48:42
  She said, because of the impact on fertility, I consider I will I will consider that an extinction level event.
• 48:51
  Wow.
• 48:52
  Right.
• 48:52
  That's that's very cheap.
• 48:55
  So you've heard me talk for years about the great poisoning.
• 49:00
  I have no doubt in my mind that this is intentional.
• 49:05
  This is depopulation.
• 49:08
  I mean, if you look at the famine that's gonna come off of what is happening in the Middle East.
• 49:15
  I mean, you're talking about shutting down the fertilizer industry in Europe coming into the spring planning.
• 49:22
  And and for the last year, the Trump administration has slashed or killed billions in funding for food insecure people in the United States and food insecure people around the world.
• 49:36
  So now that we've slashed billions of dollars of funding for the food insecure globally, we're gonna destroy the fertilizer industry in Europe before the spring planning, and we're gonna so raise prices on fertilizer in the United States that a lot of farmers can't afford to plant, right?
• 49:54
  So what do you think that's gonna look like, especially for countries?
• 50:00
  That that are running out of energy.
• 50:03
  So this is COVID 2.0, but the the potential for famine is very, very real, including in the in the food insecure countries.
• 50:14
  Well, they didn't get they didn't get the depopulation that they had intended when they with the COVID jabs.
• 50:20
  You know, it's still, you know, the the death rate is still going.
• 50:23
  It hasn't stopped just because uh the COVID isn't flying around.
• 50:27
  You know, we start still seeing the died suddenlies and people dying of cardiomyomyopathies and myocarditis and and chronic renal failure is a huge thing that people are dying from that nobody's really talking about.
• 50:38
  It's a really, really big thing.
• 50:40
  And um, and what are we what are they doing with all of these organs that they keep harvesting?
• 50:45
  You know, the the number four I don't know number four cause of death in Canada now.
• 50:50
  It just was I read it today.
• 50:51
  The number four cause of death is the medical assisted suicide.
• 50:56
  I just uh I spoke, uh, had on my show a couple weeks ago, uh Yanya Kelleck in his book, Killed for Hire about the organ harvesting industry in China.
• 51:05
  And it's it's terrible what's happening to the Well, have you just seen in Oklahoma?
• 51:11
  They just uh and Illinois, they the legislature is trying to pass bills that say you can use human remains as compost.
• 51:20
  Yes, it's there's there's about 40 40, there's 26 states that already have that, you know, that they well, when they uh uh when people die, that they can um cremate them and put their ashes into the water and just goes everywhere.
• 51:35
  They already have that past in a lot of that.
• 51:39
  Well, Catherine, in the last few minutes that we have here today, what is your take?
• 51:43
  And tell us a little bit about the Solari report and how people can get involved with what you're doing.
• 51:49
  So we're having a blast.
• 51:51
  You know, it's hard.
• 51:52
  I'll never forget when my pastor in Washington said, you know, you can the devil can have my house and the devil can have my job and the devil can have my car, but the devil cannot have my joy.
• 52:02
  And that's when I realized, you know, that I had permission from God to be happy no matter how bad things were.
• 52:09
  It's you know, it's the joy of the Lord.
• 52:12
  Anyway, we've um we have been working to gather, you know, the people who are committed to freedom together.
• 52:21
  You know, I I'm traveling and I'm doing a lot of meet and greets.
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  We just had an unbelievable event in Switzerland that was so awesome.
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  And and you forget when you get, you know, when you get 15 people like you and me together, I mean, it's just suddenly the vibe, you know, the I mean, you just you get up there, you know, with the angels is the only way I can describe it.
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  But we just started a program called the Young Builders, where we're it it was for kids 18 to 28, and it was to take our building wealth curriculum and see if we could use our building wealth curriculum to really help young people navigate this environment and be successful at having families, at having great business family enterprise and being successful despite everything going on.
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  And so we're we're about two thirds of the way through the first class, and it's been a huge success.
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  And I think one of the reasons it's a huge success is these young people are so wonderful.
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  And when they find each other, it's like wow, you know.
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  Um, you know, it's just two plus two equals 25.
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  Anyway, so it's been really fun.
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  And we one of our focuses is to grow that.
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  So whether it's building wealth in the subscriber base, and this really, you know, this was the subscribers' idea because they were like, you gotta help my kids.
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  You gotta help my kids.
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  So we started this at 18 to 28, and now they're saying you got to help us down to when we start homeschooling.
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  So we're trying to figure out how we can take it down.
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  And at some point we want to grow it into a university, but we have to, you know, we have to turtle.
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  We have to do it step by step.
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  So I have to tell you, you know, I'm a great believer that the control grid is going to fail.
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  I I don't, I don't begin to underestimate the pain and suffering and the mess that they can make before it fails.
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  But if we're gonna have an advanced civilization, we have to build that.
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  And if we're gonna have one that's embedded in divine principles and freedom, we're gonna have to build that.
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  And you know, you build that one child at a time, one young person at a time.
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  And and it's wonderful to be with the young builders because they're gonna build this, not me.
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  You know, and so what I'm focused on is how can I help them be successful at building a real civilization.
• 54:40
  That's because, you know, I I don't want to live in a primitive civilization.
• 54:44
  I want to live in a very sophisticated advanced civilization that uses all this wonderful power powerful technology to make life wonderful, right?
• 54:53
  Yeah, for sure.
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  As one of my allies used to say, we're willing, we're willing for things to work.
• 55:02
  Really, really true.
• 55:03
  Well, Catherine, tell people where they can they can uh hook into the Yeah, so you can find us at Solery.com, S O L A R I.com.
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  So it's solar and then add an I.com.
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  We'd love to have you as a subscriber.
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  We would uh, you know, sign up.
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  We have a free newsletter sign up and plug in.
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  There's huge amount of content.
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  And uh, you know, if you come in, our tagline is live a free and inspired life.
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  And that's what we want to help you do.
• 55:28
  We want you how to live a free and inspired life.
• 55:30
  And and we know you're in the on your way to doing that because you're listening to Dr.
• 55:34
  Tenpenny, which is speaks very well of your good taste.
• 55:40
  Thank you so much for being with us today.
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  I know that the you know, time zones because you live in Europe, you know, can be a little bit dicey.
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  So thank you so much for being with us.
• 55:47
  And thanks to all the listeners for being with us here today.
• 55:50
  And you'll want to listen to this over again because it was packed with great information and be sure to share it with others so they know that we're here and we can help us to grow.
• 55:57
  So with that, I want to close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
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  I close all of my podcasts with, whether it is live or pre-recorded.
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  I close with Romans 12, 12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer.
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  All of those things should resonate with everyone.
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  Remember to lean into God, trust him for everything.
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  He won't let you down, even though his timeline may not be your timeline.
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  He's always there with you.
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  So join us tomorrow or the next time, right here on AmericaOut Loud.news and iHeartRadio.
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  You can listen to all the rest of our podcasts.
• 56:28
  I still say the best way to find it is to go to DR10Penny.com and while you're there, click on all those tabs and see what else that we do there, because it's a busy place and we do a lot.
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  But go to dr10pady.com, hover over the podcast tab and scroll down to where it says all podcasts.
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  You can find it right there.
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  And so we will see you again here tomorrow or the next time on the 10penny files.
• 56:50
  Have a great day, everybody.
• 56:51
  Goodbye and God bless.