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Legal Heir Alex Murdaugh Housekeeper Body to be DUG UP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Exhimation. That's a word you
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Speaker 1: don't hear very often, to exhume a body and other
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Speaker 1: words and regular people talk dig up a dead body.
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Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about in South Carolina. And of
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Speaker 1: course the Alex and Murdoid case. He's so called legal titan.
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Speaker 1: You know the thing about him. There are a lot
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Speaker 1: of dead bodies connected to him and his family, and
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Speaker 1: even now the murders of his wife Maggie and son
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Speaker 1: Paul remain unsolved as the body of his former housekeeper
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Speaker 1: is set to be dug up. I'm talking about fifty
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Speaker 1: seven year old Gloria Sadderfield. But why what do authority sled,
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Speaker 1: specifically South Carolina Law Enforcement Division? What do they hope
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Speaker 1: to gain by digging up this beloved mother. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and serious XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to this our friends at
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Speaker 1: w LTx. The former housekeeper of Alec Murdoch died after
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Speaker 1: allegedly falling in the Murdoch home in twenty eighteen. But
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Speaker 1: now the State Law Enforcement Division says it just got
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Speaker 1: permission to exhume her remains. Soled says the process to
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Speaker 1: dig up Gloria's Sadderfield's body is complex and will likely
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Speaker 1: take weeks. This investigation is still ongoing. The housekeeper who
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Speaker 1: died after falling on stairs outside the home of once
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Speaker 1: prominent South Carolina attorney Alec Murdoch is set to be exhumed.
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Speaker 1: South Carolina authorities say they will recover and examine the
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Speaker 1: body of Gloria Sadderfield in the coming weeks. It's part
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Speaker 1: of the ongoing investigation into her death four years ago.
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Speaker 1: The original police report called Gloria Centerfield's death natural and
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Speaker 1: no autopsy was performed. This is the latest twist in
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Speaker 1: a Southern saga involving a series of deaths of individuals
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Speaker 1: close to Murdoch in multiple indictments against the lawyer for
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Speaker 1: financial fraud. Former South Carolina Attorney General Charlie Condon telling
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Speaker 1: NBC News after Murdoch's arrest in the fall, it's just
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Speaker 1: very difficult to see how he would not be serving
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Speaker 1: a very long prison sentence. You know, it took moving
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Speaker 1: a mountain to get any activity on this case. Gloria
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Speaker 1: Centerfield now dead and barry for four years plus and
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Speaker 1: now something's being done about it. You originally were hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends over at WLTX, but then you heard from
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Speaker 1: our friend Von Hilliard at NBC with me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel of guests to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now again, I mean, NC Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at Fox
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Speaker 1: Nation and series XM one eleven. You know it kind
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Speaker 1: of makes you think that there's a rich man's justice. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't like that because this guy, Alex Murdog was
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Speaker 1: one of a dynasty of so called legal titans. This
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Speaker 1: is the deal. His dad, his grandfather, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how far it goes back. Have been the prosecutors in
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Speaker 1: that jurisdiction then, which I do not understand how this
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Speaker 1: was allowed. They had a civil law firm as well,
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Speaker 1: so how did that work? They would prosecute a case
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Speaker 1: for crime victims and then somehow get their hands in
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Speaker 1: the victims pockets and represent them in civil court and
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Speaker 1: take a cut of the winnings. It's just, you know,
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Speaker 1: it stinks, And all this discussion about millions of dollars
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Speaker 1: Alex Murdog has managed to siphon, including the money from
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Speaker 1: Gloria Satterfield's insurance settlement four million dollars, the housekeeper that
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Speaker 1: failed down the steps four million dollars win in his pocket?
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Speaker 1: What judge signed off on all of that? Millions and
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Speaker 1: millions of dollars in dirty money again, our all star
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Speaker 1: panel joining us first of all, Susan Williams, South Carolina
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, and you can find her
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Speaker 1: at s Williams dash Law dot net. Karen Stark where
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Speaker 1: noown psychologists, joining us out of New York. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at Karen Stark dot com. Karen with a See,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and Starvin You hit series Bodybags with
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart. Steve Helling joining me senior writer,
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Speaker 1: People dot com and special guests Joining us today, Skip Hobland,
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Speaker 1: the founder Scwatchdog dot com. Mmmm, He's got his eyes
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Speaker 1: on corruption all across South Carolina. First of you. Steve Helling,
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Speaker 1: my longtime friend and colleague. Can find him on Twitter
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Speaker 1: at Steve Helling and author of Outrage the Casey Anthony's Story.
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Speaker 1: That's a story that never gets old. Steve Helling, Steve,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I mean, now we
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Speaker 1: are hearing that the body of Gloria Satterfield is going
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Speaker 1: to be exhumed. What happened. I mean, that was what
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Speaker 1: we were hoping was going to happen. We thought that
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Speaker 1: was going to happen. But we had, you know, the
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Speaker 1: authority for you to get the family's permission, which the
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Speaker 1: family has happily done. So yes, it could take it
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Speaker 1: could take weeks. But they're going to exhume the body
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Speaker 1: and they're going to see if there's anything that's fishy
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Speaker 1: there based on you know, this slip and fall accident
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Speaker 1: that happened, you know a few years ago, you know,
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Speaker 1: right off at the gate Jess goot Morgan, death investigator.
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Speaker 1: This stinks a mile away because even if everything we've
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Speaker 1: been told is true, it's still wrong. And you know
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Speaker 1: why you don't fall down steep outdoor steps and die
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Speaker 1: and that be called natural cause of death. That's at
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Speaker 1: the very least an accident paired with Alex Burlogu pocketing
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Speaker 1: four million dollars of life insurance policy on his maid. Seriously,
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Speaker 1: nobody saw a red flag waving. You know, you might
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Speaker 1: as well get the weekend, which to the west to
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Speaker 1: put murdog is stealing across the sky. For Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: what has it taken that jurisdiction? You know when when
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Speaker 1: Miss Sadderfield rolled into the hospital, when they took her there,
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Speaker 1: you know, they knew that she had sustained trauma, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: trauma is not natural. As a matter of fact. Under
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Speaker 1: South Carolina's statue, if somebody dies as a result of violence,
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Speaker 1: now it does necessarily mean homicidal violence. It just means
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Speaker 1: violence that can be an accident. That death has to
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Speaker 1: be reported to the corner in this case. Okay, what wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: you got me drinking on the fire hygien again too much.
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Speaker 1: Defase death by violence, you mean like a violent fall
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Speaker 1: down the steps you're in, Go ahead, It's an unnatural event.
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Speaker 1: I think people have floated things like you know, dogs
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Speaker 1: getting in our way, trips over dogs, all of this
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Speaker 1: kind of thing like this. At the you know, at
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Speaker 1: the close, you have to have another set of eyes
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Speaker 1: on this. I don't care how long the individual has
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Speaker 1: been in the hospital. I've participated in autopsies, Nancy, where
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Speaker 1: people have been in an ICU for up to three years.
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Speaker 1: In an unconscious state, but they arrived as a result
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Speaker 1: of a violent act. We still have to document that.
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Speaker 1: And they're gonna have a lot to work with here
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Speaker 1: because hopefully they did mriyes and cts and all those
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Speaker 1: sorts of things while she was in the hospital and
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Speaker 1: then when when they do finally get her body, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the thing about an eximation, a thing about trauma is
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Speaker 1: it doesn't go. Can let me ask you something just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan with me, Professor Forensics. I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear something in our cut one. This is Attorney Eric
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Speaker 1: Bland and he is talking to anchor Cody Alcorn on
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Speaker 1: Fox Carolina. Listen to what we learn. Murdoch said. At
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Speaker 1: the funeral, Alex went to the family and said, look,
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Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I feel horrible. My dogs
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Speaker 1: were the cause of your mom falling and ultimately she
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Speaker 1: died because of that. And I'm gonna, you know, take
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Speaker 1: the boys, who are the only heirs she died intestate,
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Speaker 1: so under South Carolina law, they're the only heirs. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to take him to a lawyer, I know, and
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Speaker 1: that lawyer is going to make claims against me for
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Speaker 1: the death your mother called wrongful death and a survival claim.
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Speaker 1: Could she survived three weeks? And I'm going to turn
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Speaker 1: them over to all my insurance companies. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, and it's our fault. You know,
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Speaker 1: the dogs should not have been unruly and they shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have been altogether like that too, you know, knock your
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Speaker 1: mother over and I'm going to admit liability. Okay, where
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Speaker 1: you're hearing the lawyer Eric Bland recounting Murdog's statements at
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Speaker 1: Miss Satterfield's funeral. Now, that's the first we've heard Alex
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Speaker 1: Murdog stating that Gloria Centerfield is dead because of a dog.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark blaming it on the dog. I
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Speaker 1: thought we only you only did that when your homework
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Speaker 1: went missing. Yeah, the whole story doesn't make a lot
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Speaker 1: of the dog, did it do? It's a dog story,
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Speaker 1: right when you think about you know, how many people
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Speaker 1: trip over a dog and die and loved test statistics
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Speaker 1: on that trip over a dog and die? You know,
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Speaker 1: you know what our minds you have, Karen start how
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Speaker 1: many cases have we covered where a child, an infant,
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Speaker 1: is just beaten to death and and the father goes, oh,
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Speaker 1: she fell out of the high chair, or she fell
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Speaker 1: off the diaper changing table. You fall three feet and
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Speaker 1: you're dead. This is like the same thing here. She
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Speaker 1: tripped over the dog and she's dead. That sounds very
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Speaker 1: fantastical to me. Karon's stark. I agree, Nancy just doesn't
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Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. I mean, I have dog boy.
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Speaker 1: Do you you know? They're this big and they sound
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Speaker 1: like they're on a like a microphone. They're like each
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Speaker 1: one is like five pounds of lung. But how you
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Speaker 1: haven't tripped over those dogs and broken your foot I
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Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't think you would die because
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Speaker 1: but apparently skip Hogeland joining me out of South Carolina,
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Speaker 1: the founder of scwatchdog dot Com. I guess that's okay
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Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction for a woman to a young woman.
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Speaker 1: She's fifty seven years old, she's got her whole life
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Speaker 1: in front of her, she said, the prime of her life,
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Speaker 1: and she's bleeding profusely from the head and the left,
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Speaker 1: and somebody signed off that that was unnatural cause of death. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I hope I'm the most outspoken person here today. I
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Speaker 1: got a real simple take on this. My guess is
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Speaker 1: these is the is the murder cases will never be
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Speaker 1: solved until Alex Murdock is sentenced to life in prison.
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Speaker 1: If he in fact committed these murders, which seems highly likely,
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Speaker 1: why would he confess if he knows he's gonna walk
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Speaker 1: free in five to ten five to ten years, So
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Speaker 1: we have to who knows where this is gonna end up.
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna I'm gonna speak real, frank,
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Speaker 1: if you in South Carolina can be trusted from the
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Speaker 1: bottom to the top. South Carolina watchdog dot Com has
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Speaker 1: called judges line committee of mouthfeasance, called the FBI the
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Speaker 1: Attorney General line, I arrest dr non enforcing tact evasion,
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Speaker 1: nonprofit violations. You tend to lose faith in our legal
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Speaker 1: system and it's just become it's become so bad. And
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Speaker 1: the other thing is with the with the judge mouthfeasance.
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Speaker 1: This is an area of law that South Carolina's fear
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Speaker 1: because it puts them into position where they may be
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Speaker 1: accusing a judge. You will later hear their other cases. Well,
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Speaker 1: my question is about the cause of death. How can
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Speaker 1: you be bleeding from your ear and your head profusely
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Speaker 1: mumbling just confused, can't stand up, you die. How can
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Speaker 1: that possibly be passed off as natural causes like you
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Speaker 1: die of a heart attack or you die in your
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Speaker 1: sleep at age ninety nine? How can that be. I've
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Speaker 1: never heard of that before. It's impossible. I don't believe it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what about it, Joe Scott, It's totally follow
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Speaker 1: up always skip Holand is saying, if you haven't been
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Speaker 1: in the criminal business, Jo Scott, you may not. Well
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't know. I hope you don't know that. There
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Speaker 1: are X number of causes of death. You've got homicide,
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Speaker 1: You've got natural causes like you die of pneumonia. You've
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Speaker 1: got did I say accident? Accident, homicide, natural determined, undetermined,
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Speaker 1: and suicide, thank you, suicide. That's it. Those are the choices.
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Speaker 1: Those are the five choices. Nothing else under cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Then you got matter of death. For instance, I could
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Speaker 1: say just got more gun died of homicide and that
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Speaker 1: would be the cause of death. The manner of death
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Speaker 1: would be, let's just pretend gunshot one, all right, So
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Speaker 1: there's an MD in a cod No, you're right, there's
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Speaker 1: five five manners. And I tell everybody that I teach
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Speaker 1: because this is specifically what I teach that there is
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Speaker 1: an umbrella of death. Oh, that sounds like a great book.
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Speaker 1: It's homicide, homicide, natural, unexplained or undetermined, suicide, accidental. And
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Speaker 1: so you've got these five and then everything else, all
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Speaker 1: of the causes, gunshot one, cancer, anything, it'll fall beneath
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Speaker 1: one of those categories under that umbrella. So I don't
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Speaker 1: totally see bass Ackwards go ahead, and there's no way
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Speaker 1: you can you can sell this to anybody. Well, somebody
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Speaker 1: bought it. Somebody bought it. She's bleeding from her ear
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Speaker 1: in profusely out of her head, and somebody okayed and
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Speaker 1: signed off natural causes like she died in her sleep. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: where does it all start? And you know, Susan Williams
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Speaker 1: that are in South Carolina trial lawyer, former prosecutor Susan Williams.
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Speaker 1: I love nothing more than playing a nine one one call,
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Speaker 1: preferably in my opening statement. But to do that, you
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Speaker 1: have to have emotional lemonye and you've got to get
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Speaker 1: it introduced into evidence, because anything the jury sees or
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Speaker 1: hears or touches has to be admitted into evidence, and
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Speaker 1: you normally do that through a witness, so it's kind
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Speaker 1: of hard to get one in in an opening statement.
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Speaker 1: Why is it so powerful, Susan Williams, You're a veteran
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer to play that nine one one call in
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Speaker 1: front of a jury. Explain, Nancy. It's because it's a
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Speaker 1: snapshot of exactly is going on at that moment in
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Speaker 1: that particular location, and there's really nothing else that can
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Speaker 1: put you at the seam like that, like a no
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Speaker 1: one one't call. Yeah, I love him, and that is
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Speaker 1: why I'm gonna play it for your right now. Susan Williams.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to I wur cut a. Remember Maggie Murdog,
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Speaker 1: the wife who is now dead. She and her son
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Speaker 1: Paul shot dead in the same place. They're all dying
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Speaker 1: around Alex Murdog's mansion and hunting a lodge. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to the nine on one call about Glorious Sadterfield's
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Speaker 1: death four one four seven Murdie Roads. I'm sorry, what's
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Speaker 1: going on there? My housekeeper has followed and leaving. I
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Speaker 1: cannot get her up. Okay, you said she's falling leading
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Speaker 1: from the head. Yeah, oh how I'm not sure? Like
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Speaker 1: fifty eight maybe you know if she fell from standing
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Speaker 1: or not? No, so where she fall from? She felt
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Speaker 1: going up the steps, but the first steps okay, so
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Speaker 1: she had better on time outside? So tim, how many
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Speaker 1: steps are there? Eight? Okay? If she on the ground
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Speaker 1: or she knows on the ground, she's on the ground.
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Speaker 1: She's on the ground. Contract but no, not really is
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Speaker 1: she awake at all? Yeah? Okay, Okay, she sounds really calm.
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Speaker 1: Does she sound calm? Do you? Steve Helling, Steve Helling
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Speaker 1: joining me from people dot com. What about it? Say?
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, she sounds very calm. I mean I
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Speaker 1: sometimes understand that you could be in shock when you
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Speaker 1: see something and that you don't get, you know, hysterical
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Speaker 1: about it. So I'll give her kind of a path
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Speaker 1: on that. But I will say that it was just
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Speaker 1: it felt like a very clinical phone call, you know,
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Speaker 1: Yes it did. Yeah, so so And I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what to read into that is. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what to think about that now, Steve Helling, Um, Steve
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Speaker 1: joining us from people dot com. We've done We've covered
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Speaker 1: a lot of cases together, Steve Helling. We know that Maggie,
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Speaker 1: who you're hearing on the nine one one call reporting
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Speaker 1: Gloria Senterfille's fall is dead. She was shot really badly
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Speaker 1: outside the hunting lodge belonging to Alex Murdock. Her husband
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Speaker 1: also shot at the same time, her young son, Paul Murdock.
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Speaker 1: They've got another son who's still alive, but Paul and
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Speaker 1: Maggie shot dead outside the hunting lodge off Mozille. Where
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Speaker 1: did Gloria Centerfield fall down the steps bag place? So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's certainly, it certainly seems like
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Speaker 1: there's a real trail of tragedy following this. I guess
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Speaker 1: that's one way you're looking at it, a trail of tragedy.
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Speaker 1: Now you've got two other dead bodies connected to Alex
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Speaker 1: murdog and that would be Mallory Beach, the nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old girl that was thrown off the Murdoch boat to
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Speaker 1: her death, floating in the water for days and days.
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Speaker 1: Then you've got Stephen Smith, the teen boy that was
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Speaker 1: found in the road not far from their hunting lodge.
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Speaker 1: It was said it was a hit and run, but
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Speaker 1: long story short, he looked like he had been beaten
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Speaker 1: to smithereens like with a baseball bat. Do I have
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Speaker 1: all the dead bodies so far. Oh woa, then you
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Speaker 1: got the murdake grandfather who died of natural causes. Anybody
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Speaker 1: else dead that we know of, I don't think that.
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Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody else. But you know, there's
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Speaker 1: still investigations going on. Lord only knows what they'll find. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: we're listening to the night Wanta call and there's more
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Speaker 1: of it. Listen responding appropriately. But she is a weak man,
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Speaker 1: she's not she's not fun. Okay, I just I've already
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Speaker 1: got them on the way, and me asking questions does
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Speaker 1: not show them down. Man. Knowing if she's conscious is
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Speaker 1: one of the things that the medic needs to know.
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Speaker 1: If she's a smile up all to you. No, so
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Speaker 1: she's not responsive at all? Well, I mean she's mumbling, okay,
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Speaker 1: so she is somewhat conscious. Um. Is she breathing? Okay? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Is she bleeding from anywhere? Yeah? Her head? Hey, are
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Speaker 1: you guys able to control the bleeding? No can dragging
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Speaker 1: on it? Yeah, I got it, Okay, bleeding from like
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Speaker 1: her face, the back of the head? Form word? Where
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Speaker 1: exactly she bleeding from? Mine? I'm not sure. At the
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Speaker 1: top of her head? Okay, gosh, is that really necessarily
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Speaker 1: to you just got Morgan. It's Maggie could be helping
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Speaker 1: Gloria Sadderfield and she's on a landline. She can't move
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Speaker 1: down to Maggie. So why all the questions? Can't emt
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Speaker 1: deal with it when they get there? Well, they could,
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Speaker 1: but it's important that they that they have an assessment
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Speaker 1: when they roll up. Remember these guys on the truck
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Speaker 1: they're rolling up, they're getting they're feeding them this information
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Speaker 1: as they're as they're rolling up. And if I remember correctly,
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Speaker 1: the sun was there as well, Nancy. He should be
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Speaker 1: offering aid and they're kind of communicating between the two
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Speaker 1: and that gets kind of interesting speaking of the sun.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Let's take a listen to him. This
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Speaker 1: is now dead, now murdered, Paul Murdock. Listen, Oh well,
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Speaker 1: what happens to sell back down? Can I get off
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Speaker 1: the phone? Go down? Then? Can I have your name
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Speaker 1: the phone number? Are you able to be burying the
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Speaker 1: phone down by her? What are you on a cell
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Speaker 1: phone where you can walk down there and walked her?
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Speaker 1: Can you bring it with you so we can ask
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Speaker 1: her some questions about what kind of paint is having? Hello? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and can you have the facial amount pamee she's having?
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Speaker 1: Then she can't call? Okay? Do you know she's cracked
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Speaker 1: the hood and the blood on the country. She breathed
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Speaker 1: out of her left here. Okay, she's playing out of
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Speaker 1: her hair and out of her head. She's goal okay,
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Speaker 1: all right. The other lady said she had tried to
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Speaker 1: stand up and all down again. She I was holding
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Speaker 1: her up, Okay. She told me to trying to loosen.
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Speaker 1: She's trying to use her own but then she fell
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Speaker 1: back over. Okay. Do you guys know who she is? Yes?
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Speaker 1: She works for Okay Time Stories with Nancy Grace and
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Speaker 1: can you have the facial acount pamee she's having? Then
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Speaker 1: she can't call. Okay. Do you know she cuts the
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Speaker 1: hood and there's broad on the concourt and to breathe
22:03
Speaker 1: out of her left here? Okay, she's bleeding out of
22:06
Speaker 1: her here and out of her head school okay, all right.
22:12
Speaker 1: The other lady so that she had tried to stand
22:14
Speaker 1: up and fell down again. She I was holding her up, Okay.
22:19
Speaker 1: She told me to try to loose, and she's trying
22:20
Speaker 1: to use her on but then she fell back over. Okay,
22:23
Speaker 1: do you guys know who shears, Yes, she works for Okay,
22:27
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it hadn't no one. Operators getting really irritating.
22:31
Speaker 1: Got a woman possibly bleeding out down at the bottom
22:34
Speaker 1: of the steps, and she's going on and on and on.
22:37
Speaker 1: But guys, you've got to see the back drop to
22:40
Speaker 1: what we're hearing right now. Take a listen to our
22:42
Speaker 1: cut l from our friends at Fox Carolina. Gloria Sadderfield
22:46
Speaker 1: died from a fall while in the Murdoch home back
22:48
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Her sons were owed over four million
22:52
Speaker 1: dollars in life insurance money. Murdoch was acqu has been
22:55
Speaker 1: bazling that money, and today a new judgment reveals he
22:58
Speaker 1: admitted to stealing those funds. This confession means he will
23:01
Speaker 1: have to pay the sadder Field Suns four point three
23:04
Speaker 1: million dollars. Murdoch faces a long list of charges related
23:08
Speaker 1: to other estates. The Attorney General's Office says he worked
23:12
Speaker 1: with his long time for Random Bank ceowed to steal
23:14
Speaker 1: money owed to clients and use it for personal use.
23:18
Speaker 1: Representatives for the Sadderfield Suns say they will work to
23:21
Speaker 1: hold all those involved accountable. Now, the attorney for Glorious
23:25
Speaker 1: Sadderfield Suns say they planned to use some of the
23:28
Speaker 1: settlement money to start a foundation in her memory. They
23:30
Speaker 1: plan to hold a news conference with more information in
23:33
Speaker 1: the coming weeks to save Helen joining us from people
23:36
Speaker 1: dot com what personal use? But how did Alex murdog
23:42
Speaker 1: get his hands on a four point three million dollars
23:47
Speaker 1: life insurance settlement that was for glorious Sadderfield children. Well,
23:51
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is that there were actually two settlements
23:55
Speaker 1: from two different insurance companies on this. The family knew
23:59
Speaker 1: about one of them, but they did not know about
24:02
Speaker 1: the other, and they were by the time, you know,
24:06
Speaker 1: they were still waiting for payment for the smaller one,
24:09
Speaker 1: while there was a payout for four you know, for
24:11
Speaker 1: millions of dollars on the second one that the family
24:14
Speaker 1: didn't even know existed. And that is the money that
24:19
Speaker 1: um that you know, Alex Murdock is accused of taking.
24:24
Speaker 1: So okay, skip Hogeland. How is it that some judge
24:28
Speaker 1: somewhere signed off or thought it was okay for Alex
24:32
Speaker 1: and Murdo to have his fingers in the cookie jar
24:37
Speaker 1: in a lawsuit against himself and that the money be
24:42
Speaker 1: given to him. I don't understand this well, you know,
24:46
Speaker 1: here's why Judge Carmen Mullin tip of fuzz the outlaws
24:49
Speaker 1: and dirty black robes classification. Well what who Who's Judge
24:54
Speaker 1: Carmen Who Carmen Mullinka Mullin is on the set of
24:57
Speaker 1: Field case. That's the judge on the Ria Sadderfield case.
25:01
Speaker 1: That's that's correct, and I'm just on the civil case.
25:05
Speaker 1: Judge Mullin was accused of allowing disgraced lawyer Alex Murdoch
25:09
Speaker 1: to hide the four point three million payout from the
25:12
Speaker 1: wrongful depth lawsuit for his housekeeper, which was supposed to
25:15
Speaker 1: go to her grieving family. And this story goes on
25:18
Speaker 1: and on and on and so um and and the
25:22
Speaker 1: family never received the full payout, and we're told and
25:26
Speaker 1: we're not told of the settlement. And then David Pasco
25:29
Speaker 1: has now filed an official complaint saying that Mullins signed
25:32
Speaker 1: off in the settlement knowing that it would be kept
25:34
Speaker 1: in the public view. So wait a minute, let me
25:36
Speaker 1: understand something, Skip Hoogland the judge. You're saying Judge Mullins
25:41
Speaker 1: signed off on murdog getting the money. That's what That's
25:49
Speaker 1: how these facts have laid out. And also in David
25:53
Speaker 1: Pascoe's complaint of the testimony given last a month by
25:57
Speaker 1: Chad west Westendorf, the vice president of Hampton County based
26:01
Speaker 1: Palmla State Bank and alleged coals and he was an
26:04
Speaker 1: alleged co conspirator in the scheme to steal the four
26:07
Speaker 1: point three million from the family of the Murdoch's housekeepers.
26:11
Speaker 1: Western Door testified that Mullin signed the order knowing it
26:15
Speaker 1: would it would not be filed in the public record.
26:18
Speaker 1: According to the complaint, there's now sworn testimony establishing that
26:23
Speaker 1: Judge Mulland signed the sadder Field Order made thirteenth, two
26:27
Speaker 1: nineteen knowing it would not be filed to prevent the
26:32
Speaker 1: litigants in the Mallory Beach matter from learning about Murdoch's
26:35
Speaker 1: insurance coverage and his settlement with the saddled Fields estate.
26:38
Speaker 1: Who wait, wait, wait, wait wait, that's a lot, Steve Holling,
26:43
Speaker 1: This monster has tentacles all the way through the courthouse.
26:48
Speaker 1: Did you hear what Hogland is saying. He's saying that
26:52
Speaker 1: a judge signed off on this four point three I
26:55
Speaker 1: think it's four point three million dollars settlement knowing that
27:00
Speaker 1: it was I guess sealed, and that the other people
27:05
Speaker 1: suing Alex Mortaw specifically Mallory Beaches family, the team girl
27:10
Speaker 1: they died on the Mornon boat, being thrown off the
27:13
Speaker 1: boat so they couldn't see it. It's just getting worse.
27:17
Speaker 1: It's like a giant, nasty snowball going down the mountain,
27:21
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And you know, it's
27:24
Speaker 1: funny because you always hear about these, you know, these
27:28
Speaker 1: small communities and the corruption that can go on, and
27:31
Speaker 1: you know, and the old Boys network and everything. I
27:34
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever seen it so blatant as
27:36
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it in this case. You know, It's just
27:41
Speaker 1: when has there ever been a settlement that is sealed
27:45
Speaker 1: to the fact, to the point where other people won't
27:47
Speaker 1: even know that it happened, including the plaintiffs. It's it's absurd.
27:53
Speaker 1: I mean, Susan E. Williams joining me South Carolina criminal
27:56
Speaker 1: defense attorney and former prosecutor, these serious allegations that a
28:04
Speaker 1: judge or judges, bank officials, I don't even know who
28:08
Speaker 1: else would somehow be complicit in taking people some money,
28:13
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. I mean, somebody had to okay all
28:17
Speaker 1: this well, although Pascoe had a solicitor, Pasco has filed
28:22
Speaker 1: a complaint against Judge Mullin. Judge Mullin has not been
28:28
Speaker 1: publicly reprimanded or anything like that in the state of
28:30
Speaker 1: South Carolina. So I believe that there is still you know,
28:37
Speaker 1: whatever went on there, there's there hasn't been any proof.
28:41
Speaker 1: There hasn't been anything that's come out and said that
28:43
Speaker 1: she's done anything that was not something that she should
28:49
Speaker 1: have done. I mean, it's it's nothing. The bar, the
28:52
Speaker 1: South Carolina Bar has not recognized that in any way.
28:57
Speaker 1: So it may or may not be true. It's correct.
29:00
Speaker 1: Somebody had to sign off on this settlement, didn't they.
29:03
Speaker 1: I mean, someone had to allow the disbursement of the
29:06
Speaker 1: funds four point three million dollars because its sure as
29:08
Speaker 1: hey did not go to the family. Someone had to
29:11
Speaker 1: sign off that. That does not mean they were complicit. Necessarily,
29:14
Speaker 1: does not necessarily mean that. Okay, I'm just you know
29:16
Speaker 1: what immediately came to mind, Jackie. Do you remember the
29:19
Speaker 1: huge apartment tower, condo tower in Florida that just fell
29:26
Speaker 1: down in the middle of a day and all the
29:29
Speaker 1: people they could hear people in the rebels screaming crying
29:32
Speaker 1: and begging for help, and they couldn't identify them, and
29:36
Speaker 1: they were trying to dig them out of all that scent. Well,
29:38
Speaker 1: somebody signed off on that building and that structure and
29:43
Speaker 1: the upkeep and the maintenance of that. So what they
29:46
Speaker 1: weren't complicit? I don't know. I don't know all the
29:50
Speaker 1: facts surrounding us, but I know this. They're sure as
29:54
Speaker 1: hey better be some kind of investigation, because it's not
29:59
Speaker 1: just the don't Feel family. According to documents that we'd received,
30:04
Speaker 1: and correct me if i'm ron Steve Halling, Murdoch's law
30:08
Speaker 1: firm kicked him out because of millions and millions of
30:12
Speaker 1: dollars that he has apparently in basil siphoned from the clients.
30:20
Speaker 1: And it went on and on and on. This is
30:22
Speaker 1: not just the SATA fields. That's absolutely right. And you
30:25
Speaker 1: know I spoke when I was in South Carolina. I
30:27
Speaker 1: supposed to a couple of the associates there at the firm.
30:30
Speaker 1: Oh I bete you did. Yes, they are furious. I
30:33
Speaker 1: think everybody's curious because it makes the firm look bad.
30:36
Speaker 1: Oh oh wait, excuse me, please call me. It should
30:40
Speaker 1: make the law firm look bad. Where have they been
30:42
Speaker 1: with their thumb up their rear end the whole time.
30:45
Speaker 1: This didn't happened overnight. What nobody's watching the money? That's
30:49
Speaker 1: one of the big questions. How could that have gone
30:51
Speaker 1: on for so long? And it's not just their money,
30:53
Speaker 1: it's their clients money. Steve halling right, and you know
30:57
Speaker 1: it's you can almost figure that have happened one time
31:01
Speaker 1: that maybe everybody just kind of missed it. I believe
31:04
Speaker 1: I'd find four point three million dollars, But that's just me,
31:08
Speaker 1: you know. The first of the mind, I'm right on
31:11
Speaker 1: the computer trying to make sure that my check went
31:12
Speaker 1: in for us paying bills. So it makes it really
31:15
Speaker 1: hard for me to understand or connect to someone that
31:19
Speaker 1: is so so cavalier. Well, not their money, but their
31:25
Speaker 1: clients money. You don't write. They ought to be mad
31:28
Speaker 1: and they ought to be embarrassed because this happened on
31:30
Speaker 1: their watch time stories with Nancy Grace. What do we
31:52
Speaker 1: know about the actual death, What do we know about
31:57
Speaker 1: the stealing of the money. This is Van Hillyar NBC.
32:01
Speaker 1: At the time, the Murdoch said her death was an
32:03
Speaker 1: accident and that she tripped over the family dogs and
32:06
Speaker 1: fell down the stairs. But Now authorities are questioning the incident,
32:10
Speaker 1: her family alleging last fall that Murdoch never paid them
32:14
Speaker 1: the two million dollars he agreed to pay out to
32:16
Speaker 1: her estate as part of a settlement over her death
32:19
Speaker 1: at the family's home. Sadderfield's family telling Craig Melvin on
32:22
Speaker 1: Dateline last fall, she felt like they were family. We
32:25
Speaker 1: thought they were a family. Think they are family. What
32:28
Speaker 1: did Alec Murdoch see to you after your mom died?
32:35
Speaker 1: He would you take care of us and kind of
32:37
Speaker 1: look out pours? Yeah, okay, this is apparently Steve Hellings
32:43
Speaker 1: joining me from people dot com as a mountain their words,
32:46
Speaker 1: not mont a mountain of evidence is amassing against Murdog. Now, Oh,
32:53
Speaker 1: quick question, where was Alex Murdog when Glorious Sadderfield failed
32:58
Speaker 1: down the steps? I don't actually know where he was,
33:01
Speaker 1: but he certainly wasn't part of the nine one one call,
33:04
Speaker 1: and so I don't believe you. Is that what you think? Okay?
33:09
Speaker 1: I don't know enough to jump on you and ride
33:12
Speaker 1: you like a mule on that because I'm not clear
33:15
Speaker 1: where he was, but I can tell you this his
33:18
Speaker 1: seemingly airtight alibi the night that Paul his son and
33:23
Speaker 1: Maggie were murdered in the same place at the hunting
33:27
Speaker 1: lodge off Moselle is now apparently falling apart. A guy
33:34
Speaker 1: named Jim Griffin, Murdog's lawyer, is placing Murdog at the
33:41
Speaker 1: scene of the crime shortly before the murders. Griffin contends
33:48
Speaker 1: Murdog left the estate around nine pm to drive to
33:52
Speaker 1: his mother's house a twenty minute drive away, and came
33:56
Speaker 1: back at ten and low and beholds even helling between
34:03
Speaker 1: nine and ten the one hour window. What the coincidink
34:07
Speaker 1: that's what his wife and son were shot dead. Steve
34:11
Speaker 1: Halling jump in, yeah, I mean we now, we're now
34:14
Speaker 1: starting to see a lot of stuff is coming together
34:17
Speaker 1: to show that, you know, his air tight alibi isn't
34:20
Speaker 1: as airtight. You know. There's appears to be some cell
34:23
Speaker 1: phone video of taking off of Paul's phone which has
34:26
Speaker 1: been unlocked, which seems to place Alex at the scene.
34:32
Speaker 1: That's something we didn't know before. You know, last month,
34:35
Speaker 1: the talk, you know, the local news talked a little
34:38
Speaker 1: bit about the high velocity spatter on Alex's shirt, which
34:43
Speaker 1: we didn't know before. I haven't been able to independently
34:46
Speaker 1: verify that, but it certainly is coming out fit Knews.
34:49
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are coming out that, yes,
34:52
Speaker 1: even half of them are true. It's really looking bad
34:55
Speaker 1: for Alice Murdoch. Now we also know that FITS news
34:59
Speaker 1: has reported that Maggie Murdog apparently was lured lured out
35:05
Speaker 1: to the hunting lodge they call it the night that
35:11
Speaker 1: night by her husband under the guy's visiting his sick father.
35:18
Speaker 1: But I want to circle back to what you mentioned.
35:21
Speaker 1: Video found reportedly found on Paul Murdoch's phone. The dead
35:26
Speaker 1: son now has been unlocked. That's a forensic matter. Joe
35:30
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, how do you unlock a cell phone? It's
35:33
Speaker 1: not like the James Bond movies where you've got some
35:35
Speaker 1: brilliant computer whiz on the computer and all of a sudden, hey,
35:41
Speaker 1: I got it. It his birthday backwards, plus the ABC's
35:44
Speaker 1: of signed down. No, it's a lot harder than that
35:47
Speaker 1: to unlock a cell phone. But they did unlock it,
35:50
Speaker 1: and there's video on there showing reportedly Alex Murdog and
35:55
Speaker 1: his wife Maggie talking by the dog Kennel's the evening
35:59
Speaker 1: of June seven, twenty twenty one, according to multiple sources.
36:05
Speaker 1: So that shoots his alibi to hell and back. What
36:10
Speaker 1: about it, Hailing? I mean you just said it. It's
36:13
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of source there are a
36:16
Speaker 1: lot of sources that are now saying, well, no, this
36:19
Speaker 1: isn't an airtight alibi, not at all. And yes, you know,
36:23
Speaker 1: of course it took time to figure out how to
36:25
Speaker 1: get into Paul murdoss phone, and once they did, there's
36:29
Speaker 1: evidence there. I assume they're getting evidence elsewhere. And when
36:33
Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, the state of Alex and
36:37
Speaker 1: Maggie's marriage, we were the ones at People magazine who
36:40
Speaker 1: reported that she had seen a divorce attorney before this
36:44
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, before she died? Now why a
36:46
Speaker 1: man at Steve Hailing? Yes, when I went to the location.
36:52
Speaker 1: How long ago was that, Jackie? Almost a year ago?
36:56
Speaker 1: The people in the sandwich shop, Jimmy John told me
37:01
Speaker 1: that they were getting a divorce and that she was
37:04
Speaker 1: instigating it. Head been too a lawyer. Now, I trust
37:07
Speaker 1: the people at Jimmy John's. So who told you that
37:11
Speaker 1: the lawyer? I talked to the lawyer. Okay, So what
37:14
Speaker 1: does that mean to you? I mean, what it means is.
37:17
Speaker 1: You know, they try, they're still trying. His lawyers are
37:20
Speaker 1: still trying to peep this picture that No, their marriage
37:23
Speaker 1: wasn't in crisis. Their marriage was in crisis. You don't
37:26
Speaker 1: go see a divorce lawyer. As somebody who's been divorced myself,
37:29
Speaker 1: I can tell you you don't see a divorced lawyer
37:31
Speaker 1: unless there's a problem in your marriage. Man, you're not kid.
37:34
Speaker 1: You know they charge you for the consultation. Let's just
37:36
Speaker 1: start right there. So you got going on, and you know,
37:40
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, Joe Scott Morgan, you're the professor of
37:42
Speaker 1: forensics at jacksonvill State University, and so much more, Joe Scott,
37:47
Speaker 1: to unlock a cell phone, like I said, it's not
37:50
Speaker 1: like it is on James Bond. Okay, it takes effort
37:54
Speaker 1: a lot of time. It's sometimes very difficult to do. Yeah,
38:00
Speaker 1: you're right, it does. And many times there are subpoenas
38:03
Speaker 1: that are involved, and it goes beyond the technical as
38:06
Speaker 1: you well know. You know, there's been all kinds of
38:08
Speaker 1: things that have happened with Apple phones and that sort
38:10
Speaker 1: of thing, and kind of digging back in there. But
38:12
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at an organization like sled H.
38:15
Speaker 1: They have access to those abilities and capabilities people on
38:20
Speaker 1: their staff. And now you know the FEDS are involved
38:23
Speaker 1: in this, so you've got you know, you've got the
38:25
Speaker 1: long arm of them. But here, here's here's what I'm
38:28
Speaker 1: curious about, Nancy. Something that you mentioned. Why why would
38:32
Speaker 1: Paul feel the need to record this conversation to video
38:36
Speaker 1: his dad? And I think that's that's really compelling there.
38:40
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's interesting. I was thinking the
38:42
Speaker 1: same thing. And and Susan Williams, we just saw a
38:45
Speaker 1: jury turn against amber Heard and the Johnny Depp amber
38:50
Speaker 1: Heard civil trial because they thought it was just bizarre
38:54
Speaker 1: that whenever that have an argument, she would video take
38:56
Speaker 1: the whole thing. There's a reason you videotape things, right,
39:00
Speaker 1: There's a reason that you video tape things or video
39:03
Speaker 1: record things to preserve it for something that you may
39:06
Speaker 1: want to use later. And amber Heard believed that the
39:13
Speaker 1: jury would hear Johnny's story and not believe him, but
39:15
Speaker 1: the jury spoke, I mean, come on, Susan Williams, are
39:17
Speaker 1: you married? Are you married? Susan, yes, I am. When
39:21
Speaker 1: you and your husband get in an argument, and I'm
39:22
Speaker 1: sure it's his fault. Let's just put that out there
39:24
Speaker 1: right now. Of course it's his fault. But when you
39:26
Speaker 1: have an argument, does he videotape you or do you
39:29
Speaker 1: videotape him? No? Never, I mean whenever I have an
39:32
Speaker 1: argument with David, which, by the way, we never argued
39:35
Speaker 1: until we have the twins. Now we argue all the
39:36
Speaker 1: time about what's best for the twins. But I think
39:40
Speaker 1: it was crazy but took out a video of phocus
39:43
Speaker 1: me during an argument, Skip Hoogle, Let me ask you this,
39:47
Speaker 1: a founder of scwatchdog dot com. I know that there's
39:51
Speaker 1: an extensive body of research and evidence that you've done
39:54
Speaker 1: on this, but could you explain in a nutshell the
40:00
Speaker 1: type of people you believe could be involved in wrongdoing
40:04
Speaker 1: as far as disbursement of money, as far as embezzling
40:09
Speaker 1: money from his law firm, bank documents that have been
40:14
Speaker 1: falsified allegedly by the Murdochs, all sorts of illegalities that
40:22
Speaker 1: somebody approved and went along with. All right, Well, the
40:28
Speaker 1: judicial mouthfeasance with Judge Mullin and many judges in South Carolina.
40:32
Speaker 1: What I think needs to happen in the way I
40:34
Speaker 1: think we can prove Judge mullin mouthfeasance is the fact
40:39
Speaker 1: that she is friends and she's been here for a
40:41
Speaker 1: long time with another local judge, Duke. So they've been
40:43
Speaker 1: here a long time. They're local judges, They're friends with
40:46
Speaker 1: all the Murdochs, all the Murdoch lawyers, they're they're all close.
40:50
Speaker 1: It's just one big and setuous, backslapping, background dealing club.
40:55
Speaker 1: They should not only be investigated for the Saturville case,
40:58
Speaker 1: but all cases, and this is how we can prove
41:01
Speaker 1: a pattern. They should be They should be investigated for
41:06
Speaker 1: all the cases involving the Murdoch lawyers going back twenty years.
41:09
Speaker 1: Jitter mouthfeesis has become a plague in South Carolina, and
41:13
Speaker 1: it's because we allow the legislature, many who are lawyers,
41:16
Speaker 1: to appoint judges who ruling the cases involved in the
41:19
Speaker 1: same legislatures or their friends who are the corupted officials
41:22
Speaker 1: we are investigating. So Mullins needs to be investigated period. Well,
41:26
Speaker 1: I agree. I believe every bank official, judge, everyone involved
41:33
Speaker 1: in the firm that had anything to do with these
41:35
Speaker 1: settlements needs to be investigated. But I want to say
41:38
Speaker 1: one thing, Karen Stark, I may have told you this
41:41
Speaker 1: story before, but I will never forget. One of my
41:44
Speaker 1: very first big cases was against a very serious drug
41:49
Speaker 1: lord and he lived in a beautiful luxury high rise
41:53
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and the whole case turned on one legal issue,
41:59
Speaker 1: and that was as to seizure issue because in his
42:02
Speaker 1: high rise, the doorman, who was drunk quite often, got
42:06
Speaker 1: a fed X to the drug lord and he became
42:10
Speaker 1: curious and he tore the fed X on the lope
42:15
Speaker 1: open and inside, believe it or not, was a brick
42:18
Speaker 1: of uncut cocaine worth millions of dollars millions on the street.
42:23
Speaker 1: Why they sent it in fed X I don't know.
42:26
Speaker 1: So the cops were called. I had an APD show up.
42:31
Speaker 1: He was wonderful and saw what was in the fed axe.
42:37
Speaker 1: That launched a search and the drug lord was arrested.
42:41
Speaker 1: Had never been able to touch him before. Long story short,
42:46
Speaker 1: The whole case depended on will that fed X come
42:50
Speaker 1: into evidence with the cocaine, because if the search was bad,
42:53
Speaker 1: there was no case. The lawyer was a very high
42:58
Speaker 1: defense lawyer, very high pro bay, a lawyer all across
43:02
Speaker 1: the country. He came into the courtroom Karen Start with
43:05
Speaker 1: his beautifully tinted blown back blonde hair, kind of like
43:10
Speaker 1: Frasier would wear his hair. He had this gorgeous coat
43:16
Speaker 1: you know that would probably, you know, close to what
43:18
Speaker 1: my used car cross draped over his shoulders like a cape.
43:22
Speaker 1: He was being followed by a lot of lackeys. And
43:24
Speaker 1: there I was and my little seriously catalog meal order
43:29
Speaker 1: dress and my shoes that had been resold I don't
43:34
Speaker 1: know how many times, and I'm like, oh crap. And
43:37
Speaker 1: then here's the point. Here's the point. He goes back
43:41
Speaker 1: into the chambers with the judge and they were their
43:45
Speaker 1: arms around each other and they were patting each other
43:47
Speaker 1: and talking. I'm like, well, look, yeah, well and they
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Speaker 1: went back there and they stayed a long time, and
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Speaker 1: I said, well that's that. The judge came back out.
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Speaker 1: We had the motion and Judge Don Langham ruled with
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Speaker 1: the state. I'll never forget it because I thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're friends, they're slapping each other on the bike. It
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Speaker 1: probably made a contribution, but the judge did the right thing.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that these judges may know the Murdogs,
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Speaker 1: or know their law firm or their partner, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean anything. The proof is going to be in the documents,
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Speaker 1: So let's don't rule the judges out yet. Can we
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Speaker 1: have a little fate Jared stark Well, I think that
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Speaker 1: we have to give it a transmitts a awful lot, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: of corruption going on there, and what you hope at
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Speaker 1: this point is that so much has been exposed that
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Speaker 1: there will be a fair trial and that people justice
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Speaker 1: will be served, as you love to say. Oh and
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Speaker 1: by the way, the end of that story is that
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Speaker 1: Charles Erlick aka Street named Charlie Tuna went down. I
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Speaker 1: think it was twenty to life after the trial. But
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the end of trolley Tenant Jackie. When O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson robbed that guy ever memorabilia guess who was winning
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Speaker 1: his robbing crew. Charles Erlick. He had done his jail time,
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Speaker 1: gotten out and hooked up with O. J. Simpson in Vegas,
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Speaker 1: and I heard that. I'm like, there's this is can
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Speaker 1: there be too? Charles Erlick's no, there was. It was him,
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Speaker 1: So you know, you can't teach an old dog in
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Speaker 1: nutric Apparently, we wait as justice unfolds as the body
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Speaker 1: of Miss Sadderfield is exomed. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
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