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Russian Raiders & Rebels | Stepan Razin · Beheaded

0:05
SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:08
SPEAKER_00: This is season two, episode three.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
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SPEAKER_03: And we have Russian and Russians and vodka today.
0:19
SPEAKER_00: We are going back to a Russian-themed episode.
0:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
0:25
SPEAKER_00: If you remember from our first season, we had one Russian episode, which is about um the ending of the Romanov dynasty.
0:32
SPEAKER_00: This is weirdly towards the beginning of the Romanov dynasty, which is very exciting.
0:36
SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
0:37
SPEAKER_02: I know.
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SPEAKER_02: We have lots to get into first, though, before we dive.
0:41
SPEAKER_02: We never dive right into our execution.
0:42
SPEAKER_02: That would be extremely boring.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: That it's not who we are.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: No.
0:45
SPEAKER_00: You guys want to hear 10 minutes, 15 minutes of our lives first, so then we go.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: First, we have to go off on tangents that I actually normally edit a lot of our tangents out because it's actually sad when you think about it.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Because in an edited episode, it's like a good 15-minute chunk.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: Like in real life, it's like we talk for a half hour and then we're talking about 30 minutes.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: Maybe this is too much.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: Maybe this is a lot.
1:07
SPEAKER_02: Like no one really needs to hear about my return process at Target today.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: Though fascinating, I think it's probably best to hold off.
1:17
SPEAKER_02: But I did make beef stroganoff.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's fabulous.
1:20
SPEAKER_00: I oh I said that too much last time to describe your food.
1:23
SPEAKER_00: I need a couple of things.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: You could be calling it fabulous.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: It's really good.
1:27
SPEAKER_00: Um she came in and I told her, I was like, just get something at Trader Joe's that's like pre-made.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: Maybe they have a pre-made stroganoff.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: Again, Trader Joe's does not sponsor us.
1:35
SPEAKER_00: So we're open to it.
1:37
SPEAKER_00: So if you work there and you are interested, call us.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: And we have vodka drinks.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: We were going to make uh Moscow mules, but that's too similar to what we did last episode with the whole Irish mule thing.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: So it's just vodka soda today.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: Vodka soda, and um it it's very clinky, the ice.
1:55
SPEAKER_02: So I really apologize.
1:56
SPEAKER_02: I I just sold the list.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: Personally, I think it's an added feature to the podcast.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: I think it you know, we feel like we're at a dinner party with you.
2:05
SPEAKER_00: Should we do some of the like background chatter, like the ambiance noise with it?
2:09
SPEAKER_00: Like light continental music, you know, and some background chatter and the clink.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: So it makes you feel like you're at, you know, with us and we're just having a fan fancy dinya pality talking about history.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, you have a drink as well, and you can sit back and enjoy.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: Unless you're driving, don't drink and drive.
2:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh, don't do that.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, we were looking at follow-ups too from last episode.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: And if you remember, I was Megan's scribe last episode, and I had to write down every little thing that you didn't thought about.
2:34
SPEAKER_00: And uh I took some robust notes, but at the end, I really don't think any of these are actually follow-ups.
2:40
SPEAKER_02: What are some of them though?
2:42
SPEAKER_02: Let's go back and recap.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: I have why to Ross Common question mark and white boy question mark.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: Those are not robust notes.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
2:54
SPEAKER_00: White boy question mark?
2:56
SPEAKER_00: We talked about the white boys and they were the group uh in our last episode.
3:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but what's the question behind that?
3:02
SPEAKER_00: I think it meant if why were they called the white boys?
3:05
SPEAKER_00: Like where did that name originate from?
3:08
SPEAKER_00: I do recall asking.
3:09
SPEAKER_00: None of these are that important.
3:10
SPEAKER_00: Those aren't thorough notes though.
3:12
SPEAKER_00: I think they're pretty robust.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, I did tell you during our last episode that I would stop writing everything down because you went a lot of places and a lot of it was very irrelevant.
3:23
SPEAKER_02: So I feel like I need that in my life though.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: Someone just follow me around and I could say, write that down for later for all of my thoughts that I can go back to.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: And maybe like three of them out of a hundred are actually important.
3:33
SPEAKER_02: I guess that's called Siri.
3:35
SPEAKER_02: She does that when you're like, hey Siri, take a note from me.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: She's kind of bratty, my Siri.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: She's Irish.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: I do the Irish accent.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's nice.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: Do you have an accent on your Siri?
3:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't use Siri.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: I use my Google Home, you know, so I always say, Okay, Google, and then I talk to it.
3:50
SPEAKER_00: That's why you prefer the government to listen to you.
3:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, because Siri doesn't.
3:54
SPEAKER_00: I know she does.
3:55
SPEAKER_00: Everyone listens to you.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: No, in case you've been living under a rock, everything listens to you.
4:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, now um, if you have the newest iPhone update, there's a little dot that no no no, it's a good thing.
4:06
SPEAKER_02: No, it's a true no, it's actually part of the update.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: It's really cool.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, if you're being recorded, a little yellow dot pops up.
4:13
SPEAKER_02: You're giving me this look like I'm making this.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm saying that's probably there, but it's false security because everything still listens to you.
4:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're saying all of it's being listened to.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: Everything listens to you.
4:23
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not like a weird conspiracy theorist, but I just think every electronic device, probably our own Iron Maiden that we recorded.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: Or not our microphone.
4:30
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, you don't know.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: Where do you think it's going?
4:33
SPEAKER_00: To the government.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: They're like still because of the Mussolini stuff, I swear, they have not gotten over it.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: We're in their in their book for at least like a year.
4:41
SPEAKER_00: So we gotta keep an eye on these girls.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: They say a lot of buzzwords that are not on the city.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: They talk about beheadings, they talk about torture.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: You know, if we just end this podcast one day and we don't tell you that we're ending it, you know what happened.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: Please come find us.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: Come find us.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, no, but but but really though, the update tells you like when you're on Instagram or whatever and it's listening, but you are right.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, it listens all the time.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: It does.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: So watch what you say.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm a good old-fashioned fan of the pen and paper, so if you had something you really need to write down, you just they can't monitor that.
5:13
SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you when I need something to write down.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: Not me.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: I'm not the scribe.
5:18
SPEAKER_00: It worked out really well last time.
5:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh well, it's Thanksgiving this week.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes, which is wild.
5:23
SPEAKER_02: American Thanksgiving?
5:24
SPEAKER_02: American Thanksgiving.
5:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, for our non-American listeners, um, you can celebrate with us.
5:32
SPEAKER_00: Thanksgiving is my least my least favorite holiday.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: It's such a thrill.
5:36
SPEAKER_00: I I literally I love Halloween so much, and I as soon as Halloween's done, I transition straight to Christmas.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: No, I love Thanksgiving.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: I love Thanksgiving food, I love stuffing.
5:47
SPEAKER_00: What do you actually like?
5:48
SPEAKER_02: You're joking.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: Nobody likes Thanksgiving turkey.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: Nobody just likes straight dry turkey.
5:54
SPEAKER_02: No, not straight up turkey.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: It's about the whole compilation.
5:57
SPEAKER_02: You have the stuffing with the mashed potatoes and the gravy with the cranberry sauce.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: And really, with the sweet potatoes or the yams, however you want to call it, with the green bean casserole.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: Like altogether it's decent, but individually, you don't make those things normally because neither, like none of those things are great.
6:14
SPEAKER_00: They're delicious by themselves.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: I make stuffing as like a side dish all the time.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, not all the time, but every now and then.
6:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just saying.
6:21
SPEAKER_00: It's just a th to me, it's a throwaway holiday.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: It's that we hype it up because we get days off, and there's Oh, you're with family, there's Black Friday, all the shopping deals start.
6:30
SPEAKER_02: It's all the stuff I hate about American society.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Just like thrown into one thing, you know.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: You are right.
6:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, and this year is extra weird because there's so many protocols, and like my parents live in California.
6:42
SPEAKER_02: They're actually driving here on Wednesday to get out into the world because like they live in um San Diego County and they're in lockdown again.
6:51
SPEAKER_00: And they're in stage purple, which is like full lockdown.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, stage purple is full lockdown, and you get to stage purple if there's been more than seven new cases reported a day.
7:03
SPEAKER_02: Seven in the state or the county?
7:06
SPEAKER_02: I think in the I think it's on a county basis.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: Well, that would make sense.
7:10
SPEAKER_02: Like seven, not seven hundred, not seven, seven cases of COVID.
7:15
SPEAKER_00: But how come how have they not been in purple this whole time then?
7:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
7:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't fully understand all that.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
7:20
SPEAKER_00: We don't have a color system.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of and uh all if you were wondering, Megan and I have pretty much decided to quarantine together at this point because we see each other probably twice a week.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: We were really good for a few months.
7:30
SPEAKER_00: For a few months, we completely distanced.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:33
SPEAKER_00: Right after our last episode, we're like, okay, like we didn't do anything ever.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: And then once like my birthday rolled around in the summer, you know, we're like, you know what, it's it's fine.
7:42
SPEAKER_00: It's just you and I.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: It's just you and I'm like, we don't go out in the world, you know.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I actually, you know, I was just on progress in Colorado for uh as you're like, I don't go out in the world, but I was just in Colorado.
7:55
SPEAKER_00: No, but I was saying my one exception is that I was two exceptions, because you and I did go to Colorado.
8:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you didn't know.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: But I went I went back to Colorado, and I would say when I went with Megan, and this was just again like a month ago, I felt like it was very safe, right?
8:08
SPEAKER_00: It was like me, you and Elena, and we were there like all together in a row, and I feel like everyone was very respectful of the protocols.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: And just a month later, which was for me last weekend, like everyone was wild.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Like too many people, too many crowds, like people congregated, people fully taking their masks off on the airplane.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: Like one guy Which normally, yeah, they're normally so strict on that.
8:29
SPEAKER_00: They were so strict during our flight, and there was like all of a sudden loosey goosey and I loosey goosey if you say.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, I really enjoyed it.
8:39
SPEAKER_02: You say it all the time.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, sorry, not to interrupt.
8:42
SPEAKER_00: Go on, Elizabeth.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying, there was a guy like two rows in front of me who had like a roll of paper towel, not even like antiviral tissues, like full on paper towel in his bag, took off his mask and was like blowing his nose in paper towel.
8:55
SPEAKER_00: And I was like a paper towel?
8:57
SPEAKER_00: Like a bounty paper towel?
8:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a whole, like, you know, trying to make a rectangular shape of paper towel.
9:05
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, long story short, I'm like mad that I even traveled because I had to go back.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: There was like a family emergency, so it's not like I just wanted to hang out.
9:12
SPEAKER_00: But um, but I went back and I was so mad because it's like this is the time of the surge, cases are happening again.
9:19
SPEAKER_00: They're advising they're advising no travel, and here we are, like Thanksgiving, and people are all over the place, flying everywhere.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: And again, like, do what you want, you're free to do it.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: But I'm just surprised that it hasn't been like more of a crackdown with airlines being like, Hey, every other seat or limited capacity.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: It's really tough, and I know like you and I have gotten into it of like we just don't even know what is what's right and what's wrong.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: Not that we've gotten into it, but we've had our difference of opinions through some things, which is fine.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, that's part of it.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: And everyone's gonna have their own.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's part of it.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: What they want to do and not do, but it's just you know, we're we have just no guidance here as to what's right.
9:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, we're just trying to be polite and courteous and like healthy, and it changes every day.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: Every day, we don't know what's going on.
10:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but um, I did see one funny thing that actually my mom sent it to me.
10:07
SPEAKER_02: She sends me these really goofy, like my mom is a she will be like the last one who will ever forward an email chain, but yet she gets all those like you know.
10:17
SPEAKER_02: I feel like our era we just like send memes and gifts.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: But she gets full on like the email forward chain, and then she'll screenshot it too.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: Like your second cousin sends it to your aunt who sends it to your mom and then complains about it.
10:29
SPEAKER_02: She complains all the time, like, oh, I got another email, but yet she'll screenshot like the punchlines and like text those to me.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: But this one was actually kind of cute.
10:37
SPEAKER_02: It was just like, um, so so we found out for Thanksgiving you can't have more than six people, but you can have up to 30 people for a funeral.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: Like, so with that said, we are having a funeral for our pet turkey, Butterball.
10:51
SPEAKER_02: He's dying on Wednesday 25th, the 25th.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, the funeral will be held on Thanksgiving Day.
10:57
SPEAKER_02: It was like, in lieu of flowers, please bring a side dish.
11:00
unknown: That's perfect.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: But it's like such a joke on it because it's true.
11:03
SPEAKER_02: It's like some things are okay, and you know, some things aren't like if it's a funeral, you can have more people versus thus we're having a funeral for the turkey that died.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
11:12
SPEAKER_00: But bring side dish.
11:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but no, I like Thanksgiving, whatever you have to say about it.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm excited.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: I'm still enjoying the days off, you know.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm not traveling anywhere, I'm staying here.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna meet Megan's mother.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, I'm just so nervous.
11:25
SPEAKER_02: This is the first time Elizabeth and my mother are.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: Which is bizarre because you and I've known each other for years now, but you know.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: My parents have never come out to visit me, so no.
11:34
unknown: That's pretty good.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: I will I mean I normally go there.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: They live in on the coast in California.
11:39
SPEAKER_02: So it's more desirable to go there.
11:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like a six to seven hour drive.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: And um so she's been prepping her home and shampooing her carpet, cleaning all weekend, and it still doesn't even look cleaner because I've been doing stuff that you don't notice, like like like dusting light bulbs.
11:55
SPEAKER_02: Right.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: Like who does that but me and my mother being crazy?
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Um she'll appreciate it.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: I'm excited.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm still thinking of things I haven't done, like dusting the blinds.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: I'm just looking around now.
12:06
SPEAKER_02: But anyways, I'm excited.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, what else we have going on?
12:14
SPEAKER_00: Life's pretty boring right now.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: Because that's a good thing.
12:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's a nice break, I suppose.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna try a really bad transition here.
12:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: You know what's not boring.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: Death and execution.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and the Russian dynasties definitely not boring.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh, should we jump into it?
12:37
SPEAKER_02: We didn't have anything else, did we?
12:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, no.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Today we are talking about a I think we can call him like a Russian pirate.
12:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a Russian pirate slash rebel, and we're pretty excited to find out about his story.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: Yes, and I had no idea.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: I'd never heard about him before, um, actually last night.
13:00
SPEAKER_00: Can we tell a quick funny side story that led us here?
13:03
SPEAKER_00: That's what we do.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:05
SPEAKER_00: So um we obviously, like after season one had ended, wrote up all of our season two, and we're like, here's all the cool things.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna again go around all world, all the world, and all timelines, and da-da-da.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: And so for our third episode, we wrote down a note that said Russian ballet because Elena had told us this really cool story about how like there was this big scandal in the Russian ballet, and like dancers were executed and all this craziness, and we're like, that sounds amazing.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: Like, whatever this weird execution story is.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: I had this vision of the movie Chicago when you know she's like the dancer, and I she's French though.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: I think she's French.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: We actually did ask Elena, we're like, Oh, what did she say in Russian?
13:42
SPEAKER_00: She's like, That's not Russian.
13:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like, That's French.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, she gets hanged in it, anyways.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: Right.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: But uh, but so we were so excited to learn about it, and then Megan texted me and she was like, What was the name of these dancers again?
13:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, what era was this?
13:55
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, I don't know, but it's easy to find online, and we're like, oh, searching high and low for it.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
14:00
SPEAKER_00: And this turned in, and we referenced this in our last episode how we were trying to do an American revolution story that ended up being like folklore.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: And same thing with this, like we searched high and low, we found things that were kind of close, but not really, and we were like, this is again fake news.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: Well, then we not a real story.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, then we asked Elena, she's like, No, here it is, and she sent us the link, and it's like a modern day woman who was murdered.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she was a Russian ballet dancer, but was murdered.
14:26
SPEAKER_02: We're like, Elena, there's a difference between murder and execution and formally government ordained.
14:33
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know what you want.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: She's like, obviously, I know there's a difference between murder and execution.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: We're like, then give us the execution.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so long story short, we like spent a good day or two trying to find this cool story.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: Well, we have a really cool method though.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: I've talked about them before, but are executed today playing cards.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, so minus the two jokers, we have fifty executions like randomly because at our fingertips.
14:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, each playing card is a different execution, and they even sort them instead of like um queen's hearts, well, what what am I trying to hear, spades, clubs, whatever.
15:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, the suits, thank you.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: It's um it's split up into countries.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: Right.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's like English, German, Russian, Russian, and French.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: French.
15:16
SPEAKER_00: Which is funny.
15:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, it's funny that that you pick those ones like, oh, these are the ones that clearly have the most executions in there.
15:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the European ones.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, so we sorted out the Russians and we randomly like chose one, and this is it, and I'm really excited.
15:30
SPEAKER_02: Here he is today.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: His name is Stinka Razin.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: R-A-Z-I-N.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: I wrote it as Raven.
15:38
unknown: Good.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: Good job.
15:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm a good role.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: She says, I'm the bad scribe.
15:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, Stinka's like his nickname though, right?
15:45
SPEAKER_02: It was actually Stepan.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Stepan is his like formal birth name.
15:48
SPEAKER_00: Stinka or Stinka was his what he went by, what he's known by.
15:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
15:52
SPEAKER_02: Stinka Razin was born circa 1630.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, his father was Timofe Razia, which is strange, he had a different last name.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, and they don't know who his mother was.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: She was either Ukrainian or Turkish.
16:07
SPEAKER_02: Um they had a few different theories.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Um his godmother's name seemed Ukrainian, so they thought maybe she was related to her, but not a lot of history there.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: All we know is he grew up in the suburbs and likely of lower class, because as you're gonna get to know, he's he very much aligns with the lower class.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: Right.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: And quick like side note too, um, he was called a tuma kozik, and we'll get into all these things about the Kossacks.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: Kazak, but just so you know what that means, it translates to like a half-blood.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: So that's why they think the mother was again either like a Turkish captive or of Ukrainian descent, but it was a kind of a derogatory term, kind of like it reminds me of uh Harry Potter.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: Like a mud blood.
16:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a mud blood.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Don't say it.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh you tuma kock, which is again like a half-blood, like a derogatory term.
16:52
SPEAKER_00: So definitely, uh we saw some sources that said that he was from a somewhat of a well-to-do family, but overwhelmingly it's kind of clear that he represents the peasants and the lower class here.
17:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:03
SPEAKER_02: So the Cossacks.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna talk about them a lot.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: And basically, like very overview of what the Cossacks were.
17:10
SPEAKER_02: It was um they were mostly East Slavic speaking, Orthodox Christians.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: And they created these like democratic, self-governing communities and kind of made their own republics, I guess you could say, but it was a They attempted to.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: It was It was one of those things where you didn't have to belong to a certain ethnic group to be a part of this group.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: It was like as long as you even if you just said like I accept this like Orthodox faith, like you didn't necessarily have to be a strong believer.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: But that was really the only thing that like bonded you to your fellow man.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: You didn't have to be from a certain class or a certain again ethnicity.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: It was just like here's this big group and anyone can join.
17:49
SPEAKER_00: Like if you're like desperate just trying to seek like or seek a life away from society, like you join our group because we're like, it's kind of like early America, like we're like a melting pot of everyone.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: Um I think we were watching a documentary that compared it to like the wild, wild west.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: Like in the West, you didn't have to be of English descent or French descent or of Spanish descent, you were everything, you were just a cowboy, you know?
18:11
SPEAKER_00: So this is kind of like the Cossacks, like they're the cowboys of Russia.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: Got it, and they really shaped the historical culture of Ukraine and Russia.
18:19
SPEAKER_02: Um so he grew up in this culture, and this was really cool though, the Cossacks, so they this they started way back in the 1600s.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: Maybe even earlier, um, because we were watching this documentary that was talking about how uh when this whole area was essentially like Mongolia back in like the Genghis Khan days, um they like a part of the Mongolian Empire like settled in this area, and they were kind of the early Cossacks because it was like a mix between um like the Ottomans and the Mongols, and it was like this very again blended ethnic group, which is why like they were always very accepting and what an interesting like I honestly don't know a lot about this, so it's really cool learning about it today.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: Um and there are Cossacks even today that they they still identify as this.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: They do.
19:06
SPEAKER_02: I think it's there's about 140,000 people.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: Right.
19:10
SPEAKER_02: Um in the just a few years ago.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in the last census, they they said they identify as Cossack.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: But um up through World War II there was about five million, so it's really depleted since then.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, anyways, we're talking in this period 1660s, 1670s.
19:27
SPEAKER_02: Um really just like unique time in history, I feel like doesn't get highlighted very often, right?
19:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, but anyways, so um we're back to stinkerzen.
19:37
SPEAKER_02: Yes, exactly.
19:39
SPEAKER_02: Like that's stinkerzen.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: Um at this time, also very interesting in history, so there was something called the Law Code of 1649, which was basically a doctrine that made slaves and peasants equal.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, free peasants.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Free peasants.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: So just because you're really poor, you're basically classified the same as a slave, right?
20:02
SPEAKER_02: Which is the bottom of the bottom of society at this point.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Um the worst part is you're born into the status and you can't change it, you can't ever get out of it.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: It's hereditary and you're you're changeable.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: So it's on like a surf type of level.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: And of course, people did not like this.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: People did not like this code that said, okay, you're really poor, you're basically a slave, you're not ever gonna change your title, which means you can't get different work, you can't go to certain places, like you even had restrictions of like which towns you could go to, like you had limited travel.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: It's ridiculous.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: So, very, very like a hierarchical society and nobility just ruled the world at this point, and they just really, really like just shit on the pests.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: It's adorable.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: And this is the start, the very start of the Romanov dynasty.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: And you know, we talked about the Romanovs in the very first seat um season again, and we talked about the ending of the Romanov, but this is the beginning, so kind of cool.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh not Moscow, Russia in general is becoming very centralized, and all the power is going to the czar, and all the power is going to the nobility.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, so the peasants are really left out of this.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: So while these peasants are still like loyal to the czar because they're excited for this new monarchy, this new dynasty, this new era, they're still like, well, why aren't you looking out for us?
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Like, why aren't you looking out for the people?
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Why are you giving all of the power to the nobility?
21:31
SPEAKER_02: And at this time, there's actually two wars going on.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: They're in war with Poland and war with Sweden.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:37
SPEAKER_02: So two wars you can imagine.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Taxes, the draft.
21:41
SPEAKER_02: They're just not happy.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: They're getting taxed up the wazoo.
21:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, this new law code is in place, so they're angry and they're ready to revolt.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: Right.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: And our bro here, Razin, he is kind of like in the middle of all of this, right?
21:55
SPEAKER_02: So it started very early with him kind of acting in a Robin Hood type of way.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Because he would stop vessels and kind of like collect a toll from them.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: So he started very early on in these mischievous, not so legal ways.
22:10
SPEAKER_02: But it was all for a good cause and really just helping out his brothers and fellow peasants.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Kind of a side thing, but I think it's important.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: Around this time, too, his brother was executed for deserting the Russian army.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: So I think he does have some like that fueled his people underneath him.
22:28
SPEAKER_02: Not I wish I had more information on this execution.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: Sadly, we don't.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: On Ivan.
22:32
SPEAKER_02: His name was Ivan.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: His name was Ivan.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: But he's kind of seen as like, at this point, the chief of thieves.
22:40
SPEAKER_02: And he's really kind of like starting a fire.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: He becomes a little bit of a legend in his local community.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: And so we talk about geography a little bit.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: So the we're gonna reference this a lot, but there's um a river called the Volga River, and it's the longest river in Europe.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Fun fact.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, it's in like central Russia and it leads into the Caspian Sea.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: So, like Megan said, this is where he stopped all of the vessels and started to collect tribute from them, and that's how he kind of established his wealth and notoriety in the beginning.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: But his very first exploit, and the thing that really put him on the map, um, was he attacked this navy convoy.
23:17
SPEAKER_00: There was this big convoy going through the Volga River, and it was full of all these like treasury barges.
23:23
SPEAKER_00: So think of like, you know, the wealth of Russia and um the wealthy merchant cargo ships coming through, and even the uh the patriarch of Moscow, who's essentially the bishop of Moscow, he had some of his like holdings and you know, treasury on these barges.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: So he officially like sieged this big convoy and took ownership of it and was just like, Okay, here I am, and here's all the things I can do.
23:50
SPEAKER_00: And so it was quickly recognized that you can't get in this guy's way.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: He he I think they said something um interesting in an article that we read that said he was like an invincible warrior, uh endowed with supernatural powers.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: So people really thought, like, whoa, like this guy just nothing can stop him.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, so he starts to sail down the Volga with all of this treasury.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Uh he has 35 vessels at this point, and he starts to just take out town after town and fort after fort.
24:17
SPEAKER_02: And he's it's like more of a massacre, actually.
24:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when we say take out pillages these little.
24:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would capture these forts and have full-on bloody massacres, to be quite frank.
24:28
SPEAKER_02: So he he was a pretty violent guy.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: And that's where I think we can see him more as like that pirate rebel type of leader.
24:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, he was just really popular in these revolutions.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and people, you know, historians look back on this and they're like, why did he so easily conquer everything?
24:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, why didn't no one stand up to him?
24:46
SPEAKER_00: And they think it's a few reasons.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: They think one, maybe it's because they were truly afraid of him and his like bandit company.
24:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, we're not even gonna get in the way because they're just gonna massacre us.
24:56
SPEAKER_00: Or two, they think that maybe they kind of identified with him.
25:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, they're like, all right, like this is again like the Robin Hood of the day, the guy who's like standing up for the poor people.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they think there was maybe little resistance because everyone was kind of like, you know what, like, fuck the czar.
25:13
SPEAKER_02: But but again, like it wasn't so much the czar that they were mad at.
25:16
SPEAKER_02: Like they kind of even liked the.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: They did.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: They were still allegiant to the czar.
25:19
SPEAKER_00: It was more the nobility.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, it wasn't the word for the nobility at that point.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: It was the the the czar, the no, the czar is like the actual.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know, but the the sovereign, the No, it starts with a B.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Bolshevaks.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: That's later.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that later.
25:41
SPEAKER_00: Oh, the Boyar.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Boyar.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um, sorry, but yeah, the Boyar Council.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: So the Boyars are like the highest ranking feudal uh people like in this era.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: So he's recruiting poor and oppressed people.
25:57
SPEAKER_02: Some of them being Mongolians, actually, which you mentioned, right?
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, that was really interesting because uh like there's no record of him in his um 20s, early 30s.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, this is he's already in his mid-30s by the time that he's taking this Navy envoy.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, but the one record that they have of him from very early is that he was actually sent as a diplomat um to talk to the Kalmyx, which is like the oppressed ethnic group of the Mongolians.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: So they're just like the small, you know, lower caste people who are non-Russian.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: Um so it's funny that later, once he gets power, he recruits them to be like part of his force.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, but the there's a really cool quote too where he he said, and I'm not sure which town or you know city this is, um, but at some point he says to the people that he's trying to conquer, he says, I shall not force you to join me, but whoever chooses to come with me will be a free Cossack.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: I have to or I come to fight only the boyers, which again we just don't think there's that word.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the wealthy lords.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: As for the poor and plain folk, I shall treat them as brothers.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: So this is really appealing if you're in that cast.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, this like reminds me of William Wallace.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: It does.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: He's like a pirate Robin Hood William Wallace.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: William is pretty badass.
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Robin Hood meets, yeah.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, and there were four big revolts actually in Russia between 1600 and 1800, but this one's probably one of the most famous and the most prominent because of just how long it lasted.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: And he went to Persia finally, so he's making his way down the Volga and um into the Caspian Sea.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: He's in the Caspian Sea, he's capturing all these different like forts and communities, and um, he ends up in Persia and they are there for 18 months, which is a pretty long time when you're thinking about like in terms of a massacre and revolting and just like living that pirate life.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, and if you ever like actually Google his name, Stefan Rosin, you'll actually find a folk song that is about his time in Persia.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, can I just say, like, doing research, that damn song just kept popping up.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: We kept trying to find like YouTube video documentaries, and all they were were different renditions of Russian choirs singing this like folk song.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: The song is 27 minutes long, first of all.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: And it kind of sounds like this like long opera and is telling this whole story of this folklore about him.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: Like he is the story's him like drowning a Persian princess.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: It's like, alright.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: And did that even happen?
28:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they don't val they don't know whether that happened or not.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: Like that was just part of again, like the folk story.
28:23
SPEAKER_00: Just adding to his like his legend of being a crazy person.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, so so yeah, so basically, you know, he goes to Persia for 18 months and spends a long period of time there.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: So had like history just stopped at this point, they would have been like, okay, like you're a pirate, these are the things you've done.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: He was even not that fancy.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: He was even offered a pardon by the current Romanov czar at the time, who was like, you know what, I'll pardon you if you just stop.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: If you just stop attacking everyone and everything in sight, you get a full pardon.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: And you know, our good old boy was like, nothing.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Nothing's I'm gonna be pretty pretty happy doing what I'm doing.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: I like massacring.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: So comes 1670, he is in full open rebellion.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: Um, so he continues to go from the Caspian back up the Volga River.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: At this point, he has about 7,000 men.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: That's huge.
29:18
SPEAKER_02: When you think about it, yeah, like I don't know, I kind of It's like three of my high schools.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: In my mind, I think like I don't know, a fleet.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, okay, Jack Sparrow with like his little like group of men, but no, no, no, this was like a fleet.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: This was a full-on like standing up to the army and the militia.
29:35
SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty big.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they go on to capture more and more cities.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, and sorry if I butchered these names, but they capture Zaritsin and Cherkossik.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then by June of 1670, they get all the way to Ostrakhan.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: So Ostrakhan is like this very luxurious city at the time.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: It's called the Wealthy Window of the East.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it really is like kind of at the mouth of the Volga on the Caspian Sea.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: And so while he's there, he conducts this three-week like massacre, just pure bloodshed and debauchery, and apparently there were orgies and just like insane.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: I wonder if like madness.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: I just want to try the picture of this.
30:12
SPEAKER_02: Is it like, okay, like we're just gonna go out and kill a few people and then like come in and drink and like have some orgies and like go back out and kill some more?
30:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, how does this just go on and on for three weeks?
30:22
SPEAKER_00: I've never personally been in any of these situations.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: That just feels like so.
30:25
SPEAKER_02: It's funny when a lot of effort um I just feel like that's a really long time to have a three-week like massacre and rioting and looting and even there was two pillaging.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: There were two princes there.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: They killed both.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: They killed the princes.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: So at this point, you know, after all this massacre, they basically say, Okay, this place, Ostrakhan, is the Cossack Republic.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: We've created our own nation.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: We're essentially seceding from Russia, like this is now our land.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they wanted it to be absolute equality.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: So kind of early, we were debating this, like, is this a democracy or is this like a communist society?
31:03
SPEAKER_00: And this is before those terms even really existed.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, but they just wanted like fair equity for everyone.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so the General Assembly, who are again kind of like I guess Congress in American terms.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: Government.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the General Assembly appoints uh they appoint Razin as their sovereign.
31:22
SPEAKER_00: They say, You're going to be our leader.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's take a second here.
31:25
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: I'm confused because if they're so against hierarchies and it this is how it always works.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: I feel like with every revolution.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Like the minute you appoint someone and call him their sovereign, then it starts all over.
31:40
SPEAKER_02: You might as well have a czar.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, with that, you know, with that power comes, well, now I need to appoint these people.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, now I have friends, and I guess we'll call them the nobility, and I guess you guys aren't the nobility.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's so funny because I feel like almost every example in history, like I always think of like the Cuban Revolution, where it's like, well, this president is corrupt, we're gonna overthrow him and we're gonna start our own society, and then it's like you have Fidel Castro, who's now a dictator, and calls the shots.
32:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you get rid of one nobil noble family just to put in another one in his place.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: It's just, I think, uh defense of anyone's ego.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: But uh anyway, not to get too political about it.
32:15
SPEAKER_00: But so so finally they um, you know, again, establish themselves as this new republic.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, and so after those three weeks, he says, you know what, I'm gonna keep going along the Volga and I'm gonna start sacking more cities.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: So he takes um Sarator, he takes Samara, and then finally gets to Simbersk.
32:32
SPEAKER_00: Sorry if I'm saying again any of these wrong.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: But sounds good to me.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: I said them with confidence, so I think it means I said them right.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, but so he finally gets to Simbersk, and that's when he's finally stopped.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: Like someone finally stands up to him and he's not able to take the city.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: So what does he do?
32:48
SPEAKER_00: He flees.
32:50
SPEAKER_02: Which is horrible because being someone that they're looking up to and he's the leader, he runs away and he leaves them all kind of stranded, too.
32:58
SPEAKER_02: He does.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: And it's the Russian military who finally is able to stand up to him and like get a militia big enough to fight him.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, at this point, too, the Don Cossacks are also turning a bit, right?
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Like they're starting to lean more towards the Tsar, and maybe I don't know, if it were me, maybe they're like, meh, he's pretty bloody.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: Like he's pr he's getting pretty violent about things.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I like I think there was a split at this time where some of his followers were like, okay, you know, even though he fled, we're still gonna stir up the inhabitants, we're still gonna try and overthrow this boyard, like noble society, and then part of them are like, but we already have our republic, maybe this is all we need.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: Like maybe we just have this little bit of independence and we hang on to it.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, they again they were never truly against the czar himself, so they saw themselves as a little bit loyal to the czar.
33:49
SPEAKER_00: So I think this is kind of a you choose your cross, like choose your own adventure at this point.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, which side are you on?
33:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, so while he's fleeing, and some people are are revolting, some people are starting to fall back under the czarist like rule.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, he's finally captured in 1671.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: Him and his brother.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: His brother, his Froll.
34:09
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Oh, L.
34:10
SPEAKER_02: Kind of reminds me of like a Hobbit name.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Proto.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like Froll Baggins.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: So they're captured and they're taken to Moscow, and they're they arrive in these iron cages, right?
34:23
SPEAKER_02: And I really am trying to visualize what it looks like if like they're in one together, if they're in like the Iron Maiden separately.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: But I would picture more Iron Maiden status.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, I like that.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, because they're seen as dangerous and right, they are dangerous.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they they show up and first they torture them for four days each.
34:43
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: And uh they take them to the red square and they're given their their sentences and they say that they're going to be quartered.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: And uh we looked up one source that was like from a Russian website that said another term for quartered was called quadrupled, which we found funny.
34:59
SPEAKER_02: And we've talked about quartering before, and so there's like a few different ways of the quartering multiple.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: This isn't being drawn and quartered, this is just quartering, which means separating limbs and head.
35:14
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, it is said that when they read off his sentence, he was completely composed, didn't blink an eye.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: He probably knew it was coming, right?
35:24
SPEAKER_02: Like, you can't do that that many bad things and not think once you get caught the worst is gonna happen.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: You've also seen so much bloodshed, too.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like little phases you, even maybe your own demise.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: Um and oh, sorry, I don't know if we actually said this, but he was also betrayed.
35:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, he wasn't just captured by the um the Russian army, like he was given up by some of his Cossack elders.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: So he also has that feeling of betrayal of like, okay.
35:55
unknown: Right.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: I think I think we've seen it through.
35:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, when they read off his sentence, I'm just reading the quotas, Razan listened to this calmly, turned to the church, bowed in three directions, and then he said, Forgive me.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: Forgive me.
36:10
SPEAKER_02: He's kind of a nice guy.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: To the czar.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: Really nice guy.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they take him out to to the Red Square, which today, now that's like a hoppin' place, right?
36:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's like where you want to go if you're in Moscow.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: It's like where those cool little uh paraffes are.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: You know, the kind of thing.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: I bet Elena has pictures of it.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: She does.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll post a pic that's taken by Elena for you guys.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: And I wonder if there's any like type of um like memorial or anything they have to do.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to ask Elena.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, there's a scaffold set up for him in the red square.
36:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:44
SPEAKER_02: And also, along with this, there's some really cool portraits that were made in like the early 1900s, all based on this scene.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, actually really beautiful.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: I would want them in my house.
36:55
SPEAKER_02: They're gorgeous.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: I know.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: But there's one and it's kind of haunting, and it's just him up on the scaffold, and there you can see the axe next to it.
37:02
SPEAKER_02: So um, he is what's called quartered.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, so with not to have to keep referencing William Wallace, but he was like, Well, we've done two drawn and quarterings, haven't we?
37:12
SPEAKER_02: We did another one too.
37:13
SPEAKER_02: What was the other one?
37:14
SPEAKER_00: I can't think.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, we've done multiple drawn and quarterings.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: It'll come to me.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: We talked about uh in Catherine Howard, not her.
37:25
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're right, because Francis Darren was also drawn and quartering.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, mm-hmm.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, so in this situation, they take an axe and it's very like strategic how they're doing it.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: So first they start with the right arm, and it's right at the elbow.
37:44
SPEAKER_02: So it's not like at his shoulder or anything, but they take it to the elbow.
37:48
SPEAKER_02: Um so they cut it off his right arm at his elbow, and then his left leg at the knee at the knee.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: Right.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: And then they're supposed to do left arm, then left leg.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
38:00
SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, his brother, his younger brother, Froll.
38:04
SPEAKER_02: Froll, he's next up.
38:05
SPEAKER_02: So he's watching his brother, I know, Froled Baggins, is um watching his his older brother getting quartered and getting basically hacked away.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Like they call this an execution, but honestly, it's more of just like a mutilation, like just hacking away at this poor guy.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, and he starts screaming out frantically, just saying, like, I'll confess, like, I'll give you names, I'll do whatever you need, right?
38:27
SPEAKER_00: Like he said, I know the word and the master of the sovereign, meaning like I know everything, I have all the information, like I'll I'll tell you everything he has to say.
38:36
SPEAKER_02: Stefan shouts back at him, as mind you, he's missing an arm and a leg at this point.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: Such a little brother that he's just like, shut up, dog.
38:45
SPEAKER_02: Shut up, dog.
38:47
SPEAKER_02: He just calls his brother dog.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: As he's being just mutilated, like though those were his last words.
38:52
SPEAKER_02: Those were his final words was shut up, dog.
38:55
SPEAKER_02: And it just makes me think of like, really?
38:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm in the middle of doing this right now.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: I'm busy.
39:01
SPEAKER_02: Busy.
39:02
SPEAKER_02: But also, like, I just have a feeling of him being like, really, now you're gonna confess because I'm already halfway into this.
39:09
SPEAKER_02: Like, I can't talk about now.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I feel like, you know, for the sake of your brother being hacked away in front of you, can't you just hold your comment until he's fully?
39:17
SPEAKER_00: This isn't about you right now.
39:18
SPEAKER_00: It's not about you.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Just we're watching the show.
39:21
SPEAKER_00: Stop being a little bitch, like, watch the show.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: Wait till it's over.
39:25
SPEAKER_00: And then maybe raise your hand and be like, I have some information.
39:28
SPEAKER_02: Afterwards, like, okay, so I don't want that to happen to me.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: That was pretty gruesome, so I'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: And then also now his brother's like final moments is realizing that his brother's like giving in.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's like twice betrayed.
39:42
SPEAKER_02: Like you were betrayed by the kid.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Because he's done.
39:44
SPEAKER_00: Who turned you in.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Now you're betrayed by your brother who's giving up all your information.
39:48
SPEAKER_00: Good job.
39:48
SPEAKER_02: Ugh, so the executioner, there's a couple different things.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: Like, some say it's because of that situation that they cut ahead of the game.
39:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, they literally steps ahead.
39:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: They cut a few steps ahead.
40:02
SPEAKER_02: And the final, the final, like, end all this blow is gonna be decapitating him.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: But instead of moving on to his next leg, he takes off his head right away.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: Right, so it went arm leg head as opposed to arm leg arm leg head.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: And then he continues doing the job.
40:19
SPEAKER_02: So now there's a headless body, and he continues chopping off his arm and his leg.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: And the reason is because it's really important to have those five.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: You need five.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: So you what they did with uh his body afterwards is they put each arm and each leg and then the head onto five different spikes so they could show them to everybody and be like, you know, we have your leader, here's what happens to people that stand up to us.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: Always always setting an example.
40:44
SPEAKER_00: Always gotta do that.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: And then they fed his body, the rest of his body, like his torso to the dogs.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: So dogs ate him up.
40:52
SPEAKER_02: Or puppies, like nasty.
40:54
SPEAKER_02: They don't know.
40:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, so his brother is such an idiot.
40:59
SPEAKER_02: He works, so it actually did kind of work.
41:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, they don't execute him right away, they actually take him back, take him back as a prisoner, get his own, interrogate him further.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: And then eventually, four years five years later, seven wow, 1676, they execute him anyways.
41:14
SPEAKER_02: Right.
41:15
SPEAKER_02: So he just really bought himself a few years, which I guess probably not good years.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, I would have rather have just ended it then instead of being tortured and kept prisoner for an additional five years just to have the same exact ending.
41:26
SPEAKER_02: Agreed.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: Like jokes on him.
41:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:28
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, Froll.
41:29
SPEAKER_02: Froll learn his lesson next time.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: Um but so after all this is done, um, you know, they they round up more of his followers and his the people that were very loyal to him, and they do a bunch of public executions just for all of the people that followed him.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: And they're not just, you know, again, beheading people or just throwing them in the river.
41:49
SPEAKER_00: They're like dismembering them, disfiguring them, they're putting their bodies up everywhere.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: I think you have a really good line of.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: Overall, they they executed 11,000 more rebels.
42:01
SPEAKER_02: Crazy.
42:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, they impaled them with spikes, they nailed them to boards, they tore them apart was just one of the races.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: Tore them up.
42:11
SPEAKER_02: They impaled, nailed, torn, flogged, um, just really, really bloody, ugly executions.
42:17
SPEAKER_02: And that's just such a statement because it's not like an easy hanging, it's not even an easy beheading, but they're making it messy and hard and long.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of historians kind of note that.
42:28
SPEAKER_00: They're like, you know, as bloody as the massacres were um that that he had done for people, you know, he the the way that the czar and his officials responded was even bloodier.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know, eye for an eye.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
42:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like Razan had his fair share of bloodshed, but it's like when you see your own army standing up to him, it's like, do you really want to see that equal amount, if not, if not worse, bloodshed of just them being plastered all over your walls.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, they described um Razan's execution as an evil death befitting the wicked.
43:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: Poor guy.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: Poor guy.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but he was really, after his death, like, really became a symbol of peasant unrest.
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, it wasn't so much against even the czar himself, it was about the people and how they needed to start, you know, started to stand up for themselves and get the sense of power.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: So there was a little bit of a backlash, um, again, right afterwards with all the additional executions, and then the czar bonded even closer to the upper class because they were kind of nervous around all the peasants and the rebellion.
43:29
SPEAKER_00: So, again, unfortunately, there was a little bit of backfiring then.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, at the end of the day, he became this symbol, and he became like, hey, like, you don't have to accept the shitty life they gave you.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: Like they told you that you have hereditary and un you know, uncontrollable, essentially, uh I don't know what you call it, but like, you know, you you're you're not allowed to move out of your class or progress any further.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: Like, don't stand for that.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: How come we never learned about this in history?
43:55
SPEAKER_02: I don't know, man.
43:57
SPEAKER_02: Our history classes.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Maybe in Russian history.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: I know.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll ask Elena as a follow-up to see if she ever learned about this in school.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
44:08
SPEAKER_00: She didn't even learn about the Romanovs in school, so probably not.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
44:12
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I thought that was really cool.
44:14
SPEAKER_02: That was kind of like a unique, interesting.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it does kind of tie in with our Romanov episode that we did in the um first season because uh some historians point out too that this was kind of like the Bolsheviks, you know.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: They but they were successful.
44:28
SPEAKER_00: That's what I wanted to say.
44:29
SPEAKER_00: There you go.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: But the Bolsheviks, you know, were successful in finally overthrowing the Romanov dynasty, you know, in the early 1900s.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: So this was kind of like their precursor.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Like the Cossacks were like, okay, we we're gonna overthrow, not the again, not the czar, but that they just wanted a full region that was their own.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: And they were close.
44:46
SPEAKER_00: They got real close.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: Got really close.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's about time for a segment.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: So I think we should end on, and we haven't done this one in a while.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: Um, but we're gonna do the punishment fits the crime.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: So if you remember, we talked about like how you see people do things in society that you're like so cringy and like they really bother you.
45:06
SPEAKER_00: This is the one where you went off on selfie.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: I think she had to edit me down.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: I did.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: I didn't know.
45:11
SPEAKER_02: I probably take it back a little bit.
45:14
SPEAKER_02: So many opinions anyway.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: I do.
45:16
SPEAKER_02: I'm nervous about what you're gonna say.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: You're gonna You're gonna get mad at someone like doing, like, I don't know, the way that people brush their hair or something like that.
45:24
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's really disturbing.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: So I should say.
45:26
SPEAKER_00: You have you have a lot of little.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: I'm very particular about things.
45:29
SPEAKER_00: I just think people in general just need to be smarter and more courteous too.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: I know this about you, yes.
45:36
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um, okay.
45:37
SPEAKER_00: I thought of one that's not super like offensive to everyone who listens.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: I'm just kidding.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: Only a few, only a small percentage.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
45:43
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
45:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, so and this is very specific to my job, but maybe you can identify, you know, in any job that you have out there, but I cannot stand it when like I am, and I've told talked about this before, but my job at work is like I set up for events, like we host things for the employees.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: So I'm always doing something like for the employees.
46:04
SPEAKER_00: And I kid you not, every single time that I am setting something up, no matter how small or how big or how frantic I look, someone stops and they're like, What's all this for?
46:16
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, Well, you work here and you know we do events pretty much every single day, so it's probably for an event you're gonna have real soon.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: You're probably gonna get an email in an hour.
46:25
SPEAKER_00: I'll just clarify.
46:27
SPEAKER_02: The company we work for, like, we are extremely spoiled.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's a total.
46:31
SPEAKER_02: So you're like, what do you mean you have events every day?
46:34
SPEAKER_02: They, I mean, it could be pie day and we have pies, and like we're just very spoiled.
46:38
SPEAKER_02: Mind you, things have changed a lot with COVID and working from home.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: So, but I I can absolut I can like envision right now the exact thing that you're gonna do.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, and I feel like one time you were there with me helping me because I was like really last minute on something, and you kind of experienced it too.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: We're like, oh Megan, like what's all what's all this?
46:55
SPEAKER_00: What are you hanging the streamer for?
46:57
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's a surprise.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: Wait for your email in about 10 minutes and all the time.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: I'll know how this is gonna go.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: And I get really snappy with people, unfortunately, because I'm just like, you've worked here for years.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: You know you're gonna get something cool, and you know you're gonna get an email that it's announced.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: I just wanna know beforehand.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: But it's like then they go off and then they tell everyone that.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: It's like, but you know, you're not supposed to know now.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: It is a surprise or whatever, and plus, like, it's always their break, so they're just bored.
47:21
SPEAKER_00: Whereas this is my job.
47:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, you're working on it.
47:24
SPEAKER_00: I'm working on like a deadline.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: And I'm trying to get things together really fast here.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: So I always just get so mad and I just look at people like, mm-hmm mm.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, I'm you know, just setting up a medical tent for emergency or emergency ACL surgery.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: Like, what do you want me to say?
47:40
SPEAKER_00: What do you think what do you think is going on?
47:42
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, but my punishment for those people was I just want to put like like a toddler slash five-year-old just like near them all day while they're working.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: Like a quizzical, you know, child that's just like, but why?
47:55
SPEAKER_00: But why?
47:56
SPEAKER_00: What are you doing that for?
47:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you know, as you're working at your desk, exactly.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: Like as you're working and you're sitting there, like writing something down, like, well, what are you doing?
48:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm writing this down because I had a note from a client.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: But why?
48:07
SPEAKER_00: Because the client had something I didn't needed to do and I didn't remember it.
48:10
SPEAKER_00: But why?
48:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, because I have to write it down.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: I feel like that is actually working from home with kids right now.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: So I think some people already experiencing this and they don't want to.
48:20
SPEAKER_02: You know why you're experiencing that?
48:21
SPEAKER_00: Because I caused it.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
48:23
SPEAKER_00: See how you get offensive.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: Now you're getting personalized.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: I'm okay, you're right.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: I won't, I won't make it.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: Take it back.
48:28
SPEAKER_00: I'm taking it back.
48:29
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a curse that I put on you two years ago because you wouldn't leave me alone in my job.
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Just saying.
48:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, I don't know if mine's that specific.
48:38
SPEAKER_02: But mine is more or less when you go into wait, what was mine last time first?
48:43
SPEAKER_00: Let me make sure it's not too similar.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: Yours last time was that you didn't like people talking out loud on their phones.
48:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're right.
48:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: I don't like that when they're on speaker phone and they're around a grocery store and they're like, oh my gosh.
48:54
SPEAKER_02: And they're standing in line and I can hear their whole conversation.
48:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:57
SPEAKER_02: My other pet peeve is people who just ransack retail stores.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
49:04
SPEAKER_02: Like the fitting rooms, and there's just clothes everywhere.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:07
SPEAKER_02: Or like you go down the shoe aisle.
49:09
SPEAKER_02: Nordstrom Rack's shoe aisle looks like a freaking bomb went off.
49:15
SPEAKER_00: What's so hard about just putting something back where you got it?
49:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's all over the floor.
49:19
SPEAKER_02: I feel so bad for the poor employees who are trying to like match.
49:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, there's a really funny comedian, uh, Sebastian Manascalco, if I'm saying his name right.
49:29
SPEAKER_02: You met him once.
49:29
SPEAKER_02: You have a picture with him.
49:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've seen him at the comedy club a couple times, but he uh has a really funny stand-up like about this thing, and he's like, What is this?
49:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh, this isn't my size, and like chucks it across the room because like it doesn't fit you.
49:42
SPEAKER_02: Like, he's like, What are these people doing?
49:44
SPEAKER_00: It's true, and like you know, even in fitting rooms, too, it's like all you have to do is take those clothes you just tried on back to the rack.
49:49
SPEAKER_00: There's a rack, there's a specific rack, you don't even have to put it back in the stores.
49:52
SPEAKER_02: I personally have never worked in retail.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: I've always like worked in restaurants before my my office job.
49:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, before my office job, I always worked retail, so I really identify.
50:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't even identify, I just have pure empathy in my soul for these employees.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: So if you work retail, now that we're coming up on Black Friday.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: Oh, we feel for you.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: Feel for you.
50:09
SPEAKER_00: Actually, quick Black Friday story, really quick.
50:12
SPEAKER_00: So when I worked, uh, I won't say what store it was, but I worked at a store on Black Friday, like years ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Was it Express?
50:18
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it was Express.
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SPEAKER_00: Damn it.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's so secretive.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: I know.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: But it was at Express and it was like right after college.
50:25
SPEAKER_00: I had you know a little part-time job, and they wanted me to work Black Friday.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: I was like, sure, this will be fun.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: Like you get there at 2 a.m.
50:32
SPEAKER_00: My only job was to recover, they call it recover, which is like you make sure it looks nice.
50:36
SPEAKER_00: So they're like, recover the pants um table.
50:40
SPEAKER_00: I was like, really?
50:41
SPEAKER_00: That was your only job.
50:42
SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, like I was like, why do they need one person to do this for hours?
50:47
SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you why, because people are monsters.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: They're savages, they're monsters, and they come and they're like, of course, everyone somehow is a size 16, so they need the one on the very bottom.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, okay, like hold on, let me like get the rest uh, you know, out of the way for you so you can get your size.
51:02
SPEAKER_00: They don't care.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: And like the way the pants are laid out are so specific because the seams have to match and they lay nicely by size and whatever, and people come and just like knock it over like it's a deck of cards.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like, and I'm like, this is why they need one person to work just the pant table or the pant table for six hours, and I'm sitting there just like crying the whole time, like, okay, respect my pant table.
51:24
SPEAKER_02: So the punishment for this crime.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
51:26
SPEAKER_02: I actually, this is not my own idea.
51:28
SPEAKER_02: This is from um Sebastian.
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unknown: No.
51:31
SPEAKER_02: In American Horror Story, they have there's like this one season and they end up in their own their own version of hell.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: And um the girl Emma Roberts's character, yeah, her version of hell is working at like a really shitty retail place where there's a customer service line like a mile long and every single person is miserable and it's never ending.
51:53
SPEAKER_02: So it's like the next person comes up and they're like, This wasn't my size, and it was marked as the wrong size, you know, and like just getting really nasty and snippety with her, and just like that's a good version of the city.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: And her being like, Well, you don't have the receipt, like, I don't need a receipt, like just screaming and like and then it's like next, and it's just never ending, like till the end of the year.
52:11
SPEAKER_02: If you're gonna be rude to anyone who works in customer service, restaurants, retail, like walk a mile, walk a day in their shoes.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
52:21
SPEAKER_02: Because like I I, of course, like I am a customer support manager.
52:24
SPEAKER_02: I have so many stories of just humans just being terrible, right?
52:29
SPEAKER_02: Terrible humans.
52:30
SPEAKER_02: Right.
52:30
SPEAKER_00: Um it's like we get it, like everyone's been there where you don't want to talk to customer service and you're already mad at that point, but like it's also human, and like they're not the ones that make no SSEs.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: It's like I did not personally like put your FedEx box on the wrong side of the porch.
52:45
SPEAKER_02: But like people will yell about that.
52:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, yeah, not to like talk too much about work or anything, but like recently, yeah, recently I I had a fellow who wrote emails along the lines of fuck you.
53:01
SPEAKER_02: 24 back-to-back.
53:02
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it was that nice.
53:04
SPEAKER_02: In all caps, he said, like, fuck you, Megan.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: He's like, I'm very grind you, you motherfucker.
53:09
SPEAKER_02: He said, he said, you think this is bad, I'm gonna unleash all holy hell on me.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, it got like personal and nasty, anyways.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: I don't mean to go on a rant about that.
53:18
SPEAKER_02: I just think everyone's terrible.
53:20
SPEAKER_02: They need to be like, that was an extreme example.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think I'm actually worried about that person's mental capacity, like mental like stability, yeah, mental health.
53:28
SPEAKER_02: But like, I don't know, I can take it.
53:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm all email and phone.
53:31
SPEAKER_02: I just feel really bad for people who are face to face and just be kind to each other.
53:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, we're at the holidays, people are already stressed, and especially 2020 stress.
53:39
SPEAKER_02: 2020 holiday stress is a new level, and no one knows what the right thing is, no one knows you know what's going on.
53:44
SPEAKER_02: And trust me, I don't like most people I meet, but I'm nice to pretty much everybody.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
53:49
SPEAKER_02: So, you know what?
53:50
SPEAKER_02: I brought in my my crime.
53:52
SPEAKER_02: My crime is just like being rude to customer support and retail and restaurant industry and anything along those lines.
53:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and asking too many questions to the girl that's just trying to set up your event.
54:02
SPEAKER_02: So be nice, be kind, don't revolt, don't massacre, don't pirate, don't mutilate, don't mutilate, don't um what were the words torn and flog and nail and impale?
54:18
SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
54:20
SPEAKER_02: It's like the rhyme.
54:21
SPEAKER_02: Don't do any of that.
54:23
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
54:24
SPEAKER_00: So on that note.
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SPEAKER_00: Any final words, Elizabeth?
54:27
SPEAKER_00: Be kind.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
54:29
SPEAKER_00: You have a final word.
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SPEAKER_00: I do today because it's holiday time.