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Ep. 56: Jaguars Media Reflect on the 2023 Season | Jags A.M. Podcast · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome into Jagsam.
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Speaker 2: I'm kind Annie Stevens, John Oser, and Brian sex center
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Speaker 2: with me as we get ready for our first postseason
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Speaker 2: edition of jags Am. As things ended in a disappointing
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Speaker 2: way is the Drags loss of the Titans in their
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Speaker 2: final game of the season and miss out on the
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Speaker 2: playoffs finishing nine and eight. Our first big thing today
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Speaker 2: is deja A lot of the issues we talked about
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Speaker 2: all season came back to bite this team in their
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Speaker 2: final game of the season against the Titans.
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson talked about things post game.
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Speaker 3: I'm frustrated, I'm disappointed, I'm mad, angry. You know, my
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Speaker 3: heart hurts obviously for the players coaches involved. There's they've
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Speaker 3: they've they've worked their tails off, but you know it's
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Speaker 3: today's game was sort of our season in a nutshell.
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Speaker 4: Really.
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Speaker 3: The mistakes, the penalties, the turnovers, misstackles and those are
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Speaker 3: all things that you know hurt us, you know down the.
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Speaker 2: Stretch, Brian turnovers, mistakes, self inflicting mistakes, penalties, bad tackling.
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Speaker 2: All that stuff we talked about all season long never
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Speaker 2: got fixed and ended up biting them in the end.
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Speaker 5: It did you know, there were There were times over
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Speaker 5: the final six games, five of which obviously were losses,
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Speaker 5: were a good points say, well, you got Blake Hant
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Speaker 5: starting at left tackle against Cleveland, or you're missing Andre
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Speaker 5: Cisco and Tyson Campbell in the secondary and there's no
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Speaker 5: Christian Kirk and you could kind of see where things
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Speaker 5: would be rough. But the underlying theme of trouble on
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Speaker 5: third down, ineffectiveness in the red zone, poor tackling never changed.
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Speaker 5: It was a constant theme. There were moments where it
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Speaker 5: was okay, no point at all that they were consistent
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Speaker 5: this year in the areas that the head coach pointed
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Speaker 5: out that they needed to be consistent with. And that's
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Speaker 5: a big problem and it's why he's making changes.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 7: In the NFL, bad teams do what the Jaguars were
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Speaker 7: doing at the end of the season. And I don't
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Speaker 7: think the Jaguars were a bad team all season, but
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Speaker 7: they kept doing these things that bad teams do, and
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Speaker 7: Doug knew it, The coaches knew it. They kept talking
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Speaker 7: about it, they kept emphasizing it, and the turnovers kept happening,
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Speaker 7: the mistakes.
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Speaker 6: The drive killing penalties.
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Speaker 7: All of a sudden, you know how many times this
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Speaker 7: year did you feel like they were in first and fifteen,
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Speaker 7: you know, which for this team was a big lift.
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Speaker 7: You know, obviously Doug saw something fairly systemic, because as
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Speaker 7: close as the head coach can do without leaving, he's
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Speaker 7: hit the reset button.
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Speaker 6: So this is the time for change.
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Speaker 2: Our second big thing is lights too breat We talked
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Speaker 2: a lot about the team playing their best football in
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Speaker 2: big games the year before, but this.
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Speaker 1: Year it was the opposite.
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Speaker 2: There was a ton of big games on the schedule,
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Speaker 2: but seems like they weren't able to get up for
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Speaker 2: those games. Trevor Lawrence talked about that after the game
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Speaker 2: against the Titans.
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Speaker 4: For some reason. You know, we just didn't play as
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Speaker 4: good as a team as the season went on. You know,
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Speaker 4: when we needed it, when we needed to be our best,
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Speaker 4: we weren't. And last year it is the opposite. You know,
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Speaker 4: when we needed to be our best and absolutely had
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Speaker 4: to have it, we were and we found a way
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Speaker 4: to win up until the divisional So yeah, it's uh,
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Speaker 4: you just have to bring that every week, and there
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Speaker 4: was a disconnect somewhere and obviously we weren't able to
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Speaker 4: put that on the field in the back half of
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Speaker 4: the season, like we needed to to give ourselves a
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Speaker 4: chance to make the playoffs and go on a run.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's yeah, it definitely sucks though.
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Speaker 1: John.
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Speaker 2: We were in the locker room doing some of those
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Speaker 2: exit interviews the other day. A lot of the players
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Speaker 2: said they felt like, you know, season before, it felt like, oh,
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Speaker 2: it'll happen, something will turn it around. They'll be that
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Speaker 2: spark or something like that. But this year and that
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Speaker 2: never came, and it felt like they were kind of
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Speaker 2: waiting for that a little bit instead of fixing things
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Speaker 2: in the moment.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: And you know, I'm not sure what finding a spark
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Speaker 7: or waiting for spark me. I do know that the
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Speaker 7: last game felt like a micro cosm this season, and
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Speaker 7: I Doug talked a little about that last you know,
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Speaker 7: not being able to get in on third and fourth
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Speaker 7: and one. To me, the micro cosm was they never
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Speaker 7: came back this year. They trailed eight times at halftime
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Speaker 7: I think or seven times at halftime, and they lost
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Speaker 7: all the games. They almost captured the magic on Sunday
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Speaker 7: a little bit. You know, they're down what fifteen, come
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Speaker 7: back you make it eight and then you feel like,
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Speaker 7: oh my goodness, here's the comeback thing. And then it
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Speaker 7: goes away, And to me, that sort of summed up
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Speaker 7: the season. They never could Once they took a body
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Speaker 7: blow in a game and got down, Brian, they never
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Speaker 7: could get back up. And that was the polar opposite
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Speaker 7: of what this team like was last year. And that's
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Speaker 7: why when people have asked me in last couple of
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Speaker 7: days what happened, I'm kind of at a loss. I
4:52
Speaker 7: don't know why they didn't have that chip. It carried
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Speaker 7: him last year and you thought that's what they were
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Speaker 7: and they weren't that this year.
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Speaker 5: Well, you heard Doug in his news conference on Monday
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Speaker 5: say that he had been talking to the players and
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Speaker 5: trying to figure out the why behind how they could
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Speaker 5: not show up in big games. They didn't Chiefs, Niners, Ravens, Bengals,
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Speaker 5: and then the biggest of all games this year, the
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Speaker 5: Titans game. They they were no shows. It was bad
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Speaker 5: performances all around. Some days it was the offense the Chiefs,
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Speaker 5: sometimes it was the defense the Bengals. You figure it out,
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Speaker 5: but if you don't tell us what those whys are,
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Speaker 5: well then we get to discuss all of them and
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Speaker 5: all the possibilities. So here's one, and that is They're
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Speaker 5: just not good enough on either line.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 5: We thought the offensive line had the pieces in place
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Speaker 5: to be a really solid unit. Well they don't. We
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Speaker 5: talked last week about Cam Robinson being a guy they
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Speaker 5: had to have out there. He didn't play very well
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Speaker 5: on Sunday. Walker Little didn't play very well this season.
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Speaker 5: The center was dead roached, put on his back on
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Speaker 5: the most important play of the season on fourth down. Okay, well,
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Speaker 5: you've got to get better on the offensive line and
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Speaker 5: on defense, and now they're gonna have a whole new
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Speaker 5: staff guy. But they knew what was coming on Sunday.
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Speaker 5: They knew it was going to be the Dereck Henry show.
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Speaker 5: That was all the Titans had, and it was the
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Speaker 5: Derrick Henry Show over and over and over, so they
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Speaker 5: couldn't stop it. I think in the reality of it,
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Speaker 5: the why is they just were good enough for those
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Speaker 5: big games that were circled on the calendar.
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Speaker 1: That leads us into our final big thing, which is
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Speaker 1: the biggest big thing, and it's the blame game.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of blame to go around here, and
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Speaker 2: some people have already been fired because of that. Brian,
6:29
Speaker 2: we discussed the defensive staff Mike Caldwell was released as
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Speaker 2: well as his staff and some changes on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the football as well. Is this just a
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Speaker 2: little bit of what's to come? I mean we've discussed
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Speaker 2: this is a pretty big change on the coaching staff.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, Ky, I've never seen it. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I've seen a defensive coordinator dismissed and then coach is
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Speaker 5: allowed to leave. I've never seen it wholesale wiped off
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Speaker 5: the chalkboard, so to speak, like this. So it seems
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Speaker 5: pretty dramatic. It probably isn't quite that dramatic with what
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Speaker 5: happened this year, especially in the final game of the season,
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Speaker 5: and it makes sense. And so it's just a little
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Speaker 5: bit boulder of a move, a more sudden move on
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Speaker 5: the part of the coach to get changed. That absolutely
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Speaker 5: has to come, John. You can't lose five of your
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Speaker 5: last six games. You can't go from being eight and three.
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Speaker 5: Remember eight one point eight and three. They were number
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Speaker 5: one with home field advantage in the AFC, and then
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Speaker 5: from that point forward they just slid off the map.
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Speaker 5: When you have that, you have to make changes, no
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Speaker 5: matter how dramatic it may seem. You have to clean
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Speaker 5: things up and sometimes that means cleaning things out.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I hope somebody got a screenshot of the NBC
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Speaker 7: graphic that night with the one next to it, because
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Speaker 7: it seems very fleeting. I'm not a big always blame coaching.
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Speaker 7: The reality is you can't fire all the players, so
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Speaker 7: if you want to make a change, you have to fire.
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Speaker 6: Coaches.
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Speaker 7: That's where we are, and in two weeks or in
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Speaker 7: a certain amount of time, we'll be listening to new
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Speaker 7: defensive coordinator talk about the philosophy going forward. Whatever happens,
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Speaker 7: a players on defense have to play a lot better.
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Speaker 7: To me on Sunday, it looked like, you know, lack
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Speaker 7: a focus whatever. When you tell people to fill gaps
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Speaker 7: and they don't fill them, I'm not sure how to
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Speaker 7: fix that.
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Speaker 2: We'll deep dive into this the rest of the show
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Speaker 2: in the Hundai Studios and Star Final. First of the postseason.
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Speaker 2: I guess final if you want to call this the
9:07
Speaker 2: last little bit of the regular season. But you know,
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Speaker 2: we would have liked to do some playoff shows. That
9:11
Speaker 2: would have been great. I think we're all hoping for that.
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Speaker 2: But I think the way that things were finishing, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's a complete opposite of what we saw this team
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, right Like, they were cold and
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Speaker 2: then they got really hot, and then they started off
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Speaker 2: hot this year and then they just worked their way down.
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Speaker 2: And I think everybody's kind of still looking for some
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Speaker 2: answers at this point.
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Speaker 5: They are, and they're pointing to injuries, and that makes sense, right,
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Speaker 5: I Mean, there were a lot of guys banged up,
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Speaker 5: and last year, John, they stayed healthy for the large part.
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Speaker 5: They didn't have other than losing your left tackle Cam
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Speaker 5: Robinson in twenty twenty two, and Walker Little stepped in
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Speaker 5: and played really well. This year, there were just too
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Speaker 5: many guys that were unavailable for them to play, and
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Speaker 5: I do think that injuries are a legitimate reason why
9:50
Speaker 5: they didn't play well down the stretch. However, last week,
9:53
Speaker 5: they had most of their guys on the field. I mean,
9:55
Speaker 5: they didn't have Christian Kirk, but they had Cam Robinson,
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Speaker 5: they had ezrac Cleveland. They believed that they were going
10:01
Speaker 5: to be ready to play in a game for all
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Speaker 5: the Marvels. Everything was right there in front of them,
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Speaker 5: and this was a game they said, they know the stakes,
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Speaker 5: and they still didn't get it done.
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Speaker 7: Well. It's so situational this league now, and when you
10:15
Speaker 7: can't run, it's hard to function offensively, and they couldn't
10:21
Speaker 7: rely on the run. When you couple that with you
10:26
Speaker 7: really didn't have the Zay Jones we saw last year
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Speaker 7: all season, and Zay was a guy last season that
10:33
Speaker 7: Trevor depended on in the clutch moments on third down.
10:37
Speaker 7: You lost Marvin Jones, who was a guy that made big,
10:41
Speaker 7: big catches. He was at the end of his career,
10:43
Speaker 7: but he made a lot of clutch third down stuff.
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Speaker 7: Christian Kirk all of a sudden goes away in the
10:50
Speaker 7: last five weeks of the season. So now the last
10:52
Speaker 7: five weeks of the season, you feel clunky. If you're
10:55
Speaker 7: not going to Evan Ingram, you sort of felt clunky.
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Speaker 7: And you know, you couple that with the quarterback not
11:02
Speaker 7: being able to practice for the last five or six weeks.
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Speaker 7: That meant an offense in a game of inches that
11:10
Speaker 7: couldn't get those inches when they needed them. And I
11:12
Speaker 7: don't think they're far away offensively, but clearly they have
11:15
Speaker 7: to have right now. That has to have consistency and continuity.
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Speaker 7: They can't will themselves to things and that showed up
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Speaker 7: the end of the season.
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Speaker 2: Let's go over some of the plays from that final
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Speaker 2: game against the Titans. We knew Derrick Henry was going
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Speaker 2: to be a problem, but ty J. Spears was a
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Speaker 2: problem too for this offense. Anybody that was rushing the
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Speaker 2: football for the Titans were a problem for this defense.
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Speaker 1: And just somebody miss tackles.
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Speaker 2: I mean it was really like almost comedic at times,
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Speaker 2: the amount of tackles they were missing. It is that
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Speaker 2: just an effort thing? Is is that where you know
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Speaker 2: they're losing some of the coachings just effort.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think you look here and you see, I mean,
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Speaker 5: here's forty four coming hard. He misses. And then there's
11:53
Speaker 5: Devin Lloyd, who's got a bad angle. I don't know
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Speaker 5: if it's effort, if it's a bad angle, sad coaching,
12:00
Speaker 5: but I mean, look at all the guys around there.
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Speaker 5: Those are two first round picks last year, Devin Lloyd
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Speaker 5: and Trey Von Walker, and you expect those guys to
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Speaker 5: make that play and neither one did.
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Speaker 2: I go back to when Trevor I think after one
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Speaker 2: of these losses, was just like, it looks like we
12:14
Speaker 2: don't practice. And sometimes it really looks like they just
12:17
Speaker 2: don't practice those sorts of things, and I'm sure they do,
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Speaker 2: it's just it's difficult to watch.
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Speaker 1: I would say one.
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Speaker 2: Of the brief highlights that we got to see in
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Speaker 2: the game was that connection between Trevor and Calvin Ridley
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Speaker 2: for that long touch, a beautiful, beautiful throw, And I
12:33
Speaker 2: think that's the thing where you're just like, that's why
12:35
Speaker 2: I get so frustrated, because you're like, he can do that,
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Speaker 2: they can do this. Why do they make it look
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Speaker 2: so difficult?
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Speaker 1: Sometimes?
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Speaker 7: John Well, I think that play obviously a great play
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Speaker 7: and at work to me on Sunday, and everyo's gonna
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Speaker 7: say you'd make an excuse for Trevor.
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Speaker 6: I thought he was shot put in the ball because
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Speaker 6: of his shoulder.
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Speaker 7: It looked in the second half like it he was
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Speaker 7: having to push it a little bit, even on that play,
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Speaker 7: a little bit. If you see it, maybe I'm seeing
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Speaker 7: it wrong, maybe I'm seeing it the glasses up.
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Speaker 6: Whatever.
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Speaker 7: So I think that had a lot to do with Sunday,
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Speaker 7: especially in the second half, where everything just felt like
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Speaker 7: it was hard, Like even right there looked like it.
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Speaker 6: Why doesn't happen more?
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Speaker 7: I think big plays don't happen more on offense, basically
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Speaker 7: when you can't run and the defense doesn't believe that
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Speaker 7: you're gonna run, so they always through seven or eight
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Speaker 7: men back because they don't believe in it. The offensive
13:26
Speaker 7: line or slash running game. Not being reliable, defenses this
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Speaker 7: year did not believe that this team could run their
13:36
Speaker 7: way to a victory. As a result, they didn't care
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Speaker 7: about stopping it enough. There's more to it than that, well,
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Speaker 7: but to me, that sums it up.
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Speaker 5: I also think that you you get to the goal line,
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Speaker 5: third down and goal from the one yard line, and
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Speaker 5: you think we ought to be pushing one yard. I
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Speaker 5: mean it's one yard. Let's go. The Jaguars didn't right,
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Speaker 5: and then on third and one, I think that's a
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Speaker 5: running down, and they didn't have enough confidence, at least
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Speaker 5: from my perspective, in the running game to go with it.
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Speaker 5: They ran that two man route to the right and
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Speaker 5: it just didn't It didn't make sense.
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Speaker 7: But considering how the season have played out, I understood,
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Speaker 7: I understand why they didn't have confidence room so that
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Speaker 7: they were not good on so many situations this year
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Speaker 7: where third and two, third and three, A Kai and
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Speaker 7: I sitting next to each other in the press box
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Speaker 7: the most road games, and there a couple of times
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Speaker 7: where we said third and one seems so hard.
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Speaker 6: It seems like a long way for this team this year.
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Speaker 7: It's true of a lot of teams, but the good
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Speaker 7: teams don't worry that much about picking up third and one.
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Speaker 1: Let's look ahead to Derrick Henry.
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Speaker 2: We knew what they were going to feed him the
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Speaker 2: ball about as many times as they possibly could. They
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Speaker 2: had six linemen out there half the time to block
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Speaker 2: for him. But he made it look a lot. He
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Speaker 2: turned back the clock, that's for sure. He wanted to
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Speaker 2: go out on a high note, and he certainly did.
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Speaker 2: And what he's been able to do. I know he's
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Speaker 2: a super talented. I don't want to take anything away
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Speaker 2: from Derek Henry, but they made it look so simple.
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Speaker 1: When he was rushing out there, he looked so dominant.
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Speaker 1: It looked like he was playing from five years ago.
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Speaker 5: Well, and just look at how hesitant Devin Layder's He
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Speaker 5: stuck his nose back to the inside and Henry was
15:13
Speaker 5: clearly hited out. I don't know how again, a first
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Speaker 5: round pick could have such a bad game, in such
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Speaker 5: a big game.
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Speaker 7: He dripped into the wrong gap and Derek Clary knew
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Speaker 7: he that's his mo and Derek knew that's gonna happen
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Speaker 7: and set him up.
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Speaker 6: An eight year guy beat a second year guy.
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Speaker 7: And I don't know if the other plays were as
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Speaker 7: glaring as this with a specific player, but.
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Speaker 6: They said it all week. They have to get a
15:42
Speaker 6: hat on him and not let him get roll. And
15:44
Speaker 6: it's the old case.
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Speaker 7: Say every Jaguars fan has read Jaguars players for seven
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Speaker 7: years talk about how stop Derek Henry.
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Speaker 6: They don't know how to do it. They just didn't
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Speaker 6: do it on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure easier to say than do I'm
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Speaker 2: very obvious to try to tackle that man.
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Speaker 5: But well, we also knew by the way they were
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Speaker 5: going to feed him the ball and that it was
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Speaker 5: going to be a big emotional day for him because
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Speaker 5: it's probably his final game in Tennessee, especially now that
16:05
Speaker 5: they fired Mike Braby.
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Speaker 6: But didn't you know he gets a twelve yeard run
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Speaker 6: in the first series.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and you just you felt it.
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Speaker 5: The sixteen yard run.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you don't want to say it, and I didn't,
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Speaker 7: but you almost feel like you can close the laptop
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Speaker 7: and go home. Yeah, because it feel like the tone
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Speaker 7: was set and much like the team all year. Unfortunately
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Speaker 7: a last year's team. Remember another microcosm up there. Derrick
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Speaker 7: Henry had a monster first quarter than nothing, and then
16:36
Speaker 7: shaq Qrterman hit him and then he did nothing in
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Speaker 7: the rest of the season against the Jags this year
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Speaker 7: as a monster first quarter and they go away.
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Speaker 6: That's the story of the season. Unfortunately. I wish it wasn't.
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Speaker 5: By the way, that was an offensive line that was
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Speaker 5: playing very poorly, and that had been the problem the
16:50
Speaker 5: Achilles heel for the Titans all season long, and they
16:53
Speaker 5: dominated the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 2: Makes you think because they have just as many, if
16:57
Speaker 2: not more, excuse me, offensive line problems than we've had
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Speaker 2: in their able to do that. So let's jump ahead
17:03
Speaker 2: of that last kind of I mean, they had a
17:06
Speaker 2: last possession after this, but this is the one that
17:08
Speaker 2: kind of really broke them with the Zay Jones going
17:10
Speaker 2: down to the one.
17:11
Speaker 1: Yard line on that game.
17:14
Speaker 2: I don't remember the down on this one, but just
17:16
Speaker 2: coming up shore, I think that's the third down. That
17:18
Speaker 2: was second, second down, and then they did the third
17:20
Speaker 2: down second down. Kind of a bad spot obviously whatever
17:23
Speaker 2: after the fact, but and then to get that point,
17:26
Speaker 2: and then they do this throwing situation, which, as we discussed,
17:29
Speaker 2: we would have, you.
17:31
Speaker 1: Know, try to run it on third down, but.
17:32
Speaker 6: I wouldn't John. I discussed it absolute your third and
17:37
Speaker 6: a long one. This wasn't a third and line. This
17:40
Speaker 6: was not a third and long one team this.
17:42
Speaker 7: Year, So I you know, I'm not trying to sit
17:44
Speaker 7: there and bash the offensive line. But based on the
17:47
Speaker 7: body of work all year, I would not have run
17:49
Speaker 7: the ball here because I don't think they'd have picked
17:51
Speaker 7: it up. They didn't pick it up all year.
17:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I would have tried to run it in
17:55
Speaker 5: and set up a throw on fourth down. But again,
17:57
Speaker 5: this is what everyone does, is you you second guests
18:00
Speaker 5: to play calling and put your own inside into it.
18:02
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. The offensive line didn't do well enough
18:05
Speaker 5: on either situation. Yeah, it was a problem all season
18:09
Speaker 5: long with the offensive line, and that was an area
18:11
Speaker 5: that they thought was going to be a strength this
18:13
Speaker 5: year and it turned out not to be.
18:14
Speaker 2: Then, in that final possession, it was supposed to be
18:16
Speaker 2: a run play, Trevor decided to call zone number go
18:18
Speaker 2: for that quarterback sneak. That's been so tough for us
18:20
Speaker 2: to watch the whole season because he's gotten it sometimes,
18:23
Speaker 2: but he always just looks like he's about to snap
18:26
Speaker 2: the way he has to reach over the top because
18:28
Speaker 2: of trying to get there on the quarterback.
18:31
Speaker 6: But I think instincts took over.
18:33
Speaker 7: He's made that play multiple times in his career and
18:37
Speaker 7: it's always worked before this year. On that play, it
18:42
Speaker 7: looked like Fortner got pushed back.
18:44
Speaker 5: It didn't look like it did happen.
18:46
Speaker 7: They were a little further away. Should they have challenged
18:51
Speaker 7: the spot and gotten closer on the Z play, maybe
18:55
Speaker 7: you'd also like to think that that half a yard
19:00
Speaker 7: would not be the key to the whole season. But
19:03
Speaker 7: they were a team this year that needed so I
19:06
Speaker 7: way to say it. Uh, they played on an edge
19:11
Speaker 7: because they weren't good enough to be up in that situation.
19:16
Speaker 7: If foind me margin Ferrero was very small, I guess
19:18
Speaker 7: is what I'm getting at. And that bit him right
19:20
Speaker 7: there well.
19:21
Speaker 5: And to defend Trevor on that situation too, he had
19:24
Speaker 5: no idea of knowing that his center was going to
19:26
Speaker 5: get blown up like that. None. I mean the center
19:28
Speaker 5: was thrown backwards three yards onto his back and that
19:32
Speaker 5: ran into through through was thrown into Trevor trying to
19:35
Speaker 5: forward progress. If the center just told his own Trevor
19:38
Speaker 5: probably gets the touchdown.
19:40
Speaker 2: Probably a lot of things we're saying, you know, Wednesday
19:43
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19:46
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Speaker 8: This team, you know, will not be the same. This
20:17
Speaker 8: is the last song the DNA, this locker room will
20:19
Speaker 8: will be together. So we understand the nature of the business.
20:23
Speaker 8: All I know is is this feeling. The leaders of
20:25
Speaker 8: this team, the guys that are here, you know, this
20:28
Speaker 8: is part of our story. Uh and we can either
20:30
Speaker 8: you know, be victims of it or uh, you know,
20:33
Speaker 8: find a way to you know, neg it a part
20:38
Speaker 8: of our our return, negative magat a part of our.
20:40
Speaker 1: Response, and an ingram past game.
20:44
Speaker 2: He's certainly been through some situations in his career before
20:47
Speaker 2: he got here, so he understands that kind of adversity,
20:49
Speaker 2: and you know what, he's been able to come here
20:51
Speaker 2: and do and build from. I think that's an important
20:54
Speaker 2: point to make because there's a lot of people that
20:56
Speaker 2: can be broken by things like this or collapses and
20:59
Speaker 2: just never kind of figuring it out. And obviously, if
21:02
Speaker 2: you're gonna be successful, you want to be championship caliber team,
21:04
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to use that as your motivation going forward.
21:07
Speaker 5: They need players to stand up and say that to
21:09
Speaker 5: each other. And he's one of the important voices in
21:11
Speaker 5: that locker room. When you have one hundred and fourteen
21:13
Speaker 5: catches and you approach the all time record for receptions
21:17
Speaker 5: by a tight end in the season, you have the credibility. Right.
21:20
Speaker 5: Players can talk all they want, but only players who
21:23
Speaker 5: produce on the field really get listened to. He's one
21:26
Speaker 5: of those guys, and I expect he'll be one that
21:27
Speaker 5: has to be going forward.
21:28
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's emerged as a leader. Christian's mergered the leader.
21:31
Speaker 7: These guys they know how to do it. They say
21:33
Speaker 7: the right things, and it's a year to year league.
21:36
Speaker 7: We saw a couple of years ago from three to fourteen.
21:39
Speaker 7: Was it tonight? I hate in the playoffs Jared's went
21:41
Speaker 7: nine to eight. It's not like they can't, you know,
21:44
Speaker 7: you improve two games on that. You're in the playoffs
21:47
Speaker 7: and in the mix. It's not like it's a lost cause.
21:50
Speaker 7: But they gotta get stuff faced.
21:52
Speaker 1: All right.
21:53
Speaker 2: We got some hot takes or from a little bit
21:54
Speaker 2: earlier in the week, but I think they mostly still apply.
21:57
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they do. So I'll go with the
21:59
Speaker 5: Jaguars have to walk up fine line, and Doug didn't
22:02
Speaker 5: by throwing everybody out on the defensive side. I'd get that.
22:05
Speaker 5: But here' where you gotta be careful. And Doug did
22:07
Speaker 5: allude to this in his press conference on Monday. You
22:09
Speaker 5: have to learn the lessons from it. You have to
22:10
Speaker 5: be mindful of what just happened, but you also have
22:13
Speaker 5: to be future focused. You can't be dialed in and
22:16
Speaker 5: let that kill you next year too. The Colts came
22:18
Speaker 5: down here at the end of the twenty twenty one
22:20
Speaker 5: season and they just needed to beat the Jaguars, who
22:22
Speaker 5: were playing with an interim head coach and a rookie
22:25
Speaker 5: quarterback to make the playoffs. And we talked about this
22:28
Speaker 5: last week. We used this example of what was possible,
22:31
Speaker 5: and they lost, and they went back to Indianapolis, and
22:35
Speaker 5: you know, there a franchise and John can testify to
22:38
Speaker 5: this that generally is not ever really a mess, right.
22:41
Speaker 5: I mean, they do things the right way. But they
22:44
Speaker 5: painted the score of that game on the locker room
22:47
Speaker 5: wall as you walked in for everybody to see, and
22:50
Speaker 5: they didn't handle it the right way. They started with
22:53
Speaker 5: a tie against the Texans. They got shut out here
22:55
Speaker 5: and they started three to five and one, and they
22:57
Speaker 5: fired Frank Reich and they hired Jeff Saturday off of
23:00
Speaker 5: a set somewhere in Bristol, Connecticut, and a franchise that
23:04
Speaker 5: had always done things seemingly the right way was all
23:07
Speaker 5: of a sudden in a tail spin. Now they cleaned
23:09
Speaker 5: it out and they fixed it a year later. But
23:10
Speaker 5: the point is you gotta be careful. You can't just
23:14
Speaker 5: knee jerk react. And I'm not saying that's what Doug did,
23:16
Speaker 5: but you've got to be very methodical in how you
23:19
Speaker 5: use this otherwise if you don't, it can cost you
23:23
Speaker 5: next year too.
23:24
Speaker 7: I think the Colts, my impression was that they kind
23:27
Speaker 7: of thought that that one game was a slip up
23:30
Speaker 7: and that they were really, really close. I think the
23:33
Speaker 7: Jaguars can avoid getting into that mindset, Brian, because they
23:39
Speaker 7: lost five of six. So I think the actions of
23:43
Speaker 7: Doug on Monday certainly showed, hey, we need to change.
23:48
Speaker 7: We can't just come back and worry about beating this
23:50
Speaker 7: one team at the end of the season. We've got
23:52
Speaker 7: to make sure there's some systemic things fixed.
23:55
Speaker 6: So I don't know if there's things will work, but
23:57
Speaker 6: I think his approach on that front is probably right.
24:00
Speaker 5: But you have to turn over every stone and you
24:02
Speaker 5: have to figure things out. You got to know why
24:03
Speaker 5: your team didn't play well in big games, And he
24:06
Speaker 5: said he knew what the whys were. But you can't
24:08
Speaker 5: just take it for granted, and you can't just keep
24:10
Speaker 5: throwing it back in player spaces with the score painted
24:13
Speaker 5: inside the locker room as they walked in every day.
24:17
Speaker 5: There's a fine. This is what coaches are paid for.
24:19
Speaker 5: This is why NFL head coaches are highly paid. This
24:22
Speaker 5: is his job to figure out very.
24:24
Speaker 2: Fine line because, as you'd say, if they make the playoffs,
24:26
Speaker 2: probably a completely different situation with him right now, on
24:29
Speaker 2: no doubt, John, what's your hot take for us?
24:31
Speaker 7: Well, I want to read because Dane else is a sent. Yeah,
24:35
Speaker 7: I don't know how to explain it. And Sunday night,
24:39
Speaker 7: when I think about this game, I kept thinking, you know,
24:42
Speaker 7: five of the last six, no way to expect this
24:44
Speaker 7: to happen. I thought it was a mature team at
24:46
Speaker 7: eight and three. I thought this is a mature team,
24:48
Speaker 7: that maybe it wasn't a great team, but that would
24:51
Speaker 7: win the games down the stretch that it was supposed
24:54
Speaker 7: to win and get in. I never thought they were
24:57
Speaker 7: the number one seed. I never thought they were going
24:58
Speaker 7: to the Super Bowl and I thought they were. I
25:00
Speaker 7: thought they could. And I guess maybe Doug explained it
25:03
Speaker 7: a little bit on Monday when he talked about never
25:08
Speaker 7: really being able to figure out why this team didn't
25:14
Speaker 7: capture every moment. I don't know if that's the right
25:15
Speaker 7: way to say it, but he talked about, you know,
25:18
Speaker 7: I told these guys week two, week three, every moment matters,
25:22
Speaker 7: and you could tell from the way he talked he
25:25
Speaker 7: didn't think that they really grasped that. So I mean
25:28
Speaker 7: that's what it was. I mean, that's a little out there.
25:32
Speaker 7: It's there's not really a good thing to tweet about
25:35
Speaker 7: that statement, you know, but I think it's in there
25:38
Speaker 7: somewhere that they just didn't fully grasp each moment, each
25:43
Speaker 7: game's importance, and play with the urgency and every moment
25:47
Speaker 7: that they should have.
25:47
Speaker 1: Well.
25:47
Speaker 5: I worried about them after they came off the bye
25:50
Speaker 5: week and got blown out by San Francisco thirty forty three.
25:55
Speaker 5: But then they righted the ship right and they won
25:57
Speaker 5: those division games that they needed to win. Oh, they're
26:00
Speaker 5: eight and three, and you feel better about them, and
26:02
Speaker 5: then the defense comes out against a backup quarterback and
26:06
Speaker 5: they were shredded that night, mcmannus misses the kick and
26:09
Speaker 5: the quarterback gets hurt and then it just sort of
26:11
Speaker 5: slides all the way down hill from there. So obviously
26:15
Speaker 5: they just weren't mature enough, good enough when they needed.
26:19
Speaker 2: To be this year, mine's a little bit of my
26:23
Speaker 2: hot tach has already come true, but I'm gonna double
26:25
Speaker 2: down on a little bit. This collapse must inspire some change. Obviously,
26:28
Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of change in the coaching staff already.
26:30
Speaker 2: I don't advocate for people getting fired all the time,
26:32
Speaker 2: but something needs to change here. And that's not just
26:35
Speaker 2: coaching staff. That's players as well, because coaching staff can.
26:37
Speaker 1: Do a lot.
26:38
Speaker 2: I think scheme can do a lot all of that,
26:40
Speaker 2: but players are the ones out in the field and
26:41
Speaker 2: they need to be making that stuff happen. All we
26:44
Speaker 2: heard all season long was there was no execution. And
26:46
Speaker 2: at a certain point, for me, if I've heard that
26:48
Speaker 2: five six times, maybe they can't execute it. Maybe the
26:52
Speaker 2: players you have can't execute what you're trying to do.
26:54
Speaker 2: So if that means you have to add to this team,
26:56
Speaker 2: and then for me personally with the players, I need
26:59
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mental shift. We're seeing some
27:01
Speaker 2: of it from you know, Christian Kirk and ev Evan Ingram.
27:04
Speaker 2: I think a little bit of their post game you know,
27:06
Speaker 2: what we heard from them is frustration because it's like, hey,
27:09
Speaker 2: I'm out here bussing my butt and I know what
27:12
Speaker 2: a bad situation is. I came here and I wanted
27:14
Speaker 2: it to be better. And I think there's a decent
27:16
Speaker 2: amount of it that. You know, maybe it's young players,
27:18
Speaker 2: maybe it's just a mentality of you know, they're happy
27:22
Speaker 2: where they're at, but it's it's that not hating losing, right,
27:24
Speaker 2: we talked about Mike Frable's pissed. He doesn't wanna lose.
27:27
Speaker 2: He's that kind of player, that kind of coach, and
27:29
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of if we lose h
27:32
Speaker 2: And then when it started to stack up, then people
27:34
Speaker 2: were like wait, wait, wait, and it's like if you
27:36
Speaker 2: don't hate it the first time, then it's kind of
27:38
Speaker 2: becomes okay. And that's when it's five of six and
27:41
Speaker 2: then you're like, oh wait, how did this happen? So
27:43
Speaker 2: for me, it was a little bit of a I
27:46
Speaker 2: want to see change in terms of whether that's just
27:48
Speaker 2: the people that are already here having a mentality change,
27:51
Speaker 2: or if it's new people being brought in to change
27:53
Speaker 2: that kind of culture a little bit, because there's a
27:55
Speaker 2: great culture in the terms they don't there aren't individual
27:57
Speaker 2: players like only caring about numbers, but they also need
28:00
Speaker 2: to really be focused on wanting to be a championship
28:03
Speaker 2: team and wanting to win more so than just like
28:06
Speaker 2: kind of be okay, be happy to be there.
28:08
Speaker 7: I think, well, I think Travis et is gonna be
28:10
Speaker 7: an interesting person to watch next year. On this front,
28:13
Speaker 7: Travis has a really good feel that he's not gonna
28:17
Speaker 7: play in this league forever.
28:18
Speaker 6: He's a running back.
28:19
Speaker 7: He's very well aware that he has a limited amount
28:23
Speaker 7: of time to be good and it matters to him
28:25
Speaker 7: a great deal. And he said it at his locker
28:28
Speaker 7: on Monday.
28:30
Speaker 6: That there's only a few years you get.
28:34
Speaker 7: And I'm paraphrasing that very well, but it's just was
28:37
Speaker 7: there's only a few years you get at this thing.
28:39
Speaker 7: And there was an overriding fear among the.
28:41
Speaker 6: Leaders who really.
28:44
Speaker 7: Who you feel like ought to be your core Evan Christian,
28:49
Speaker 7: even Josh, even Travis.
28:53
Speaker 6: They wasted one this year.
28:54
Speaker 7: And Cisco said it on Sunday, they're going to look
28:56
Speaker 7: back on this one and realize someday how hard it
29:00
Speaker 7: is to get there. It was right there and they
29:02
Speaker 7: gave one away. Travis talked about being more of a
29:05
Speaker 7: leader next year. My guess is, you know, the guys
29:09
Speaker 7: around him are gonna realize the urgency next year.
29:11
Speaker 5: So well, maybe that's what it takes. Maybe that's what
29:13
Speaker 5: it takes for them to show up in the big
29:15
Speaker 5: games right like they did a year ago when they
29:18
Speaker 5: were the Hunter and not the Hunt did. But this
29:21
Speaker 5: year in the big games, they didn't. They weren't ready
29:25
Speaker 5: to play.
29:26
Speaker 1: Here.
29:26
Speaker 5: You talk about change. Here's what I want to make sure,
29:29
Speaker 5: if I'm Doug, is that we don't fool ourselves, if
29:32
Speaker 5: we don't turn the tape on and go, well, this
29:33
Speaker 5: player can get stronger and this player can play better here,
29:36
Speaker 5: and we can do this. I mean, you got to
29:38
Speaker 5: take a really honest look at the personnel and say,
29:42
Speaker 5: can this guy get the job done? Do we have
29:44
Speaker 5: the right guy? And I you know, on the offensive line,
29:48
Speaker 5: it's a great draft for offensive line. You better go
29:50
Speaker 5: get some and not fool yourself and think, hey, we
29:52
Speaker 5: were okay, we only give so many sacks.
29:54
Speaker 1: We had injuries.
29:55
Speaker 5: I mean, that's an area a drum that I'm gonna
29:57
Speaker 5: beat all off season long. You have got to fix
30:00
Speaker 5: the offensive line because you have a franchise quarterback. Your
30:03
Speaker 5: quarterback had a left knee, a right ankle, a right shoulder,
30:07
Speaker 5: even though that wasn't the offensive line's fault because he
30:09
Speaker 5: was scrambling outside the pocket, but got the concussion as well.
30:13
Speaker 5: You gotta protect the quarterback. Just like the Bengals a
30:16
Speaker 5: few years ago made a big push to shore up
30:19
Speaker 5: the offensive line in front of Joe Burrow. You must
30:22
Speaker 5: take care of the offensive line this year in the
30:25
Speaker 5: off season to keep Trevor Lawrence where he needs to be.
30:28
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30:29
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about what we've got going
30:31
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Speaker 2: All Right, Well, I'm off season now, a little sooner
31:16
Speaker 2: than we expected, are hoped for, I suppose, but there
31:19
Speaker 2: are some things to look forward to. Obviously, we'll take
31:22
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mental break and then we'll
31:24
Speaker 2: kind of get into draft mode.
31:26
Speaker 5: But we'll get some storyliness to follow that we certainly do.
31:29
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to replace the defensive coordinator in the
31:31
Speaker 5: entire defensive staff. That'll be a big.
31:33
Speaker 7: One to follow, I will be yes, it will Josh
31:36
Speaker 7: Allen's contract, Allen's contract.
31:38
Speaker 1: Uh, Calvin's contract.
31:41
Speaker 7: Calvin's contract, the third year guys, Trevor Lawrence's contract, which
31:45
Speaker 7: I'm not sure where that goes now, So we'll see.
31:48
Speaker 5: You know, there's if there, if you're if you're really
31:50
Speaker 5: searching for a silver lining in this, how the Jaguars
31:53
Speaker 5: can find some way to look at this. If you'd
31:56
Speaker 5: come out of this season and you'd like to come
31:58
Speaker 5: out of the season having to pay everybody, but all
32:00
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you don't right you're gonna pay Josh
32:04
Speaker 5: and you're maybe gonna pay Calvin Ridley, but you don't
32:08
Speaker 5: have to rush on Trevor at this point in time, right,
32:10
Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have to figure out Cisco or
32:13
Speaker 5: Tyson Campbell. You can let that play out a little
32:16
Speaker 5: bit because I don't think I would pay them yet. So,
32:20
Speaker 5: you know, the salary cap and free agency and the
32:23
Speaker 5: draft are gonna be big stories for this team this year.
32:26
Speaker 5: They always are big stories, but this year in particular
32:28
Speaker 5: because of Trevor's contract and going forward into twenty twenty five.
32:32
Speaker 2: All right, join us tomorrow on Jags Am as we'll
32:34
Speaker 2: go over some of those coaching changes and also that
32:37
Speaker 2: list of free agents that are coming up for this
32:38
Speaker 2: team as we look ahead to the off season.