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Bill Cosby verdict watch: Will ‘America’s dad’ go to jail? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's fate is now in the jury's hands. Are
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  Speaker 1: you here to support Osby? Arm in arm with his
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  Speaker 1: wife of more than fifty years, Camille Cosby made her
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  Speaker 1: first appearance since the trial began, Andred Constance says that
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby sexually assaulted her January February two thousand four.
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  Speaker 1: Cosby is charged with felony aggravated in decent assault. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Cosby has denied wrongdoing
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  Speaker 1: and says their encounter was consensual, praying upon and exploiting
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  Speaker 1: my vulnerabilities. He then trucked and raped me. Seventy nine
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  Speaker 1: year old has been accused by more than fifty women
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  Speaker 1: of drugging and or sexual misconduct. I've never seen anything
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  Speaker 1: like this. Judges only allowing one other accuser to take
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  Speaker 1: the stand. The comedian left court Monday night without a verdict,
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  Speaker 1: but with his spirits still intact. Closing arguments by the
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  Speaker 1: defense are done. Now what will go down in a
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  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania courtroom in the case of so called funny man
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby? Not as funny anymore. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with me.
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  Speaker 1: Alan the Duke Duke joining me and special guest veteran
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  Speaker 1: attorney Robin Ficker. Robin, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to your relationship, let me say with
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, I want to talk about the closing argument
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  Speaker 1: by the defense. What was that, Well, the each side
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  Speaker 1: was trying to pin the blame on the other, and
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  Speaker 1: Cosby's lawyers brought out her inconsistent statements how she originally
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  Speaker 1: said it happened at their first meeting. Then it turned
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  Speaker 1: out that she had a number of meetings, shall we say,
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  Speaker 1: with Cosby over over the year and a half. And
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  Speaker 1: then also all the phone calls that took place after
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  Speaker 1: the rape. You know, I've had rape cases and I've
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  Speaker 1: never lost one where there were lots of phone calls
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  Speaker 1: between the rape and the rapist after the event. There
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  Speaker 1: was obviously something going on, and it wasn't just talking
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  Speaker 1: about basketball with him being the trusty and her being
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  Speaker 1: the assistant to the team. And you say that because you, what,
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  Speaker 1: were a third party participant in those phone calls. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that that there that there were, there were You're
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  Speaker 1: stuttering and you're thinking on your feet trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what you can say because andrew constance testimony was
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  Speaker 1: powerful and credible and is in line with nearly sixty
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  Speaker 1: other women that say the same thing. And Robin Vicker,
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  Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, you know very well the syndrome that
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  Speaker 1: rape victims and molestation victims go through, especially when they
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  Speaker 1: know their attacker. They very often try to pretend nothing happened.
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  Speaker 1: In their own mind. It's hard for them to process it.
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  Speaker 1: They go about business as normal, They tell very few people,
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  Speaker 1: if anybody at all, and then slowly the burn starts.
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  Speaker 1: And finally took about a year for Andrew to tell
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  Speaker 1: her mother and all h E double L broke loose. Then,
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  Speaker 1: when Gianni uh Constant found out what had happened to
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, she gets Casby on the phone and Cosby admits,
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  Speaker 1: and about a two hour conversation what happened. And thought
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  Speaker 1: he would say, Mom, Mom, don't don't be upset. She
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  Speaker 1: had an orgasm. You know what, I really fell off
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  Speaker 1: my d A M N C H A I are
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  Speaker 1: when I heard that. Don't worry, mom, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to snap his head off his neck
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  Speaker 1: when I heard that. That's a little chit chat between
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  Speaker 1: him and the mom. This is that's a little admission,
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  Speaker 1: Mr Man. That is what we call an admission. He's
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  Speaker 1: admitting to mom. He's trying to calm mom down. This
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  Speaker 1: is not an ordinary rape victim. This is a rape
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  Speaker 1: victim who had gotten a large financial settlement. Is an
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  Speaker 1: ordinary for more, I'm curious, Robin Vicker, what is an
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  Speaker 1: ordinary rape victim? Well, but what what's an ordinary rape victim?
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  Speaker 1: An ordinary rape victim is someone who indeed was raped.
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  Speaker 1: That's why she's not an ordinary rape victim, because she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it was consensual, so twisted up, you don't know
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  Speaker 1: which way to turn. And they had been carrying on
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  Speaker 1: affair for a time, and then he paid her off
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't want to know family, friends and co
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  Speaker 1: workers to find out about it is to find Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, that's exactly what happened. He paid her off
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't want people to find out that he
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  Speaker 1: raped her. You finally told the truth, Thicker, That's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what happened. He paid her off so nobody would find out,
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  Speaker 1: And he kept that deposition under still, and they fought
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  Speaker 1: tooth and claw to keep it under sal but then
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  Speaker 1: it came out. I'll tell you, I'm mad at thicker
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  Speaker 1: h in addition to Bill Cosby, is that district attorney that,
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  Speaker 1: as the police said, shut down the investigation just as
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  Speaker 1: they were getting started, and said, and I quote, it
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  Speaker 1: would put the parties in a bad light. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: most felony charges do put you in a bad light.
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  Speaker 1: That part is true, But that it's not a reason
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  Speaker 1: to drop charge. Is he dropped the charges because there
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  Speaker 1: was no there there. I've represented a number of women
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  Speaker 1: who have tried to get uh settlements against wealthy men
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  Speaker 1: who have carried on affairs with them. These women have
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  Speaker 1: kept detailed notes of the liaisons the napkins at the
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  Speaker 1: hotels they stayed at, and the men settled the so
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  Speaker 1: called calimony suits simply because they don't want their relatives
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  Speaker 1: and their wife to know about the affairs they've been
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  Speaker 1: carrying on, not because they've raped these women, because they
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  Speaker 1: don't want their wife to know about the affair in
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  Speaker 1: the first place, and they've got money to spend, so
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  Speaker 1: they give it to the ladies who eagerly take it.
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  Speaker 1: So you're just projecting you're sorry, batch of clients. Onto
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  Speaker 1: Angia Constant, who was in touch with Bill Cosby. She
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  Speaker 1: was ahead of the women's basketball all and well on
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  Speaker 1: the staff, and he would call her and she would
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  Speaker 1: return calls because he was a Temple University trustee and
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  Speaker 1: the most famous one, and there was a lot of favoritism,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of like Tom Cruise and the scientologist.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he walks in and bam, everything is scoured
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  Speaker 1: with the toothbrush the night before. Same thing with Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby when it came to Temple University. And of course
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  Speaker 1: she's going to return his calls. And how if you
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  Speaker 1: look at those phone records, how many times is it
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  Speaker 1: just a call and leave a message because he can't
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  Speaker 1: get through to him? And right after that there's a
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  Speaker 1: business phone calls. He's sandwiched in there. So you know
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  Speaker 1: that that's not impressing me at all. And anyone who
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  Speaker 1: has dealt with rape victims, not just attacking them on
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  Speaker 1: cross exam, is familiar with the syndrome they go through,
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  Speaker 1: especially when it's not stranger on stranger. At first you
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  Speaker 1: think it's your fault. Then you beat yourself up. Why
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  Speaker 1: did I go along with that? What? What was that?
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  Speaker 1: Did I encourage? That? Is that my fault? That guy
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have done that to me? I mean, I know him,
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  Speaker 1: and then you start thinking about it and thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: and then you realize it sinks in if you let it.
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  Speaker 1: What has happened to you? She exhibited all of the
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  Speaker 1: signs of PTSD. She lost weight, she quit her job,
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  Speaker 1: she moved out of town. She became with a drawn
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't sleep, she had bad dreams when she did sleep,
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  Speaker 1: and finally broke down and told her mother what had happened.
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  Speaker 1: Not by some stranger that grabbed her in a dark alley,
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  Speaker 1: but by a man she trusted. I'm gonna pause and
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  Speaker 1: I asked a renowned defense attorney, who's doing so well
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  Speaker 1: at dancing away from the question? What was that closing argument?
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  Speaker 1: A six minute fiasco? Talk about a quickie whoa well?
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  Speaker 1: Because when you know that the other side hasn't made
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  Speaker 1: their case short, it was the prosecutors argument was all
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: the King's horses and all the King's men trying to
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  Speaker 1: put Humpy Dumpy together again. The length of the prosecution's
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  Speaker 1: closing statement was inversely proportional to the strength of their case.
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  Speaker 1: And then they used the rape sheeld law to keep
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  Speaker 1: out all this damning evidence with the celebrity NBA player
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  Speaker 1: before she met Cosby. Eventually, Wait, what damning evidence that
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  Speaker 1: she had a relationship, that's the damning evidence? Or when
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  Speaker 1: they tried to tell the jury she was gay, as
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  Speaker 1: if somehow that would make her look bad. What what
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  Speaker 1: damning evidence are you talking about that she had sex
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  Speaker 1: before in her life, that she's not a virgin. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little underwhelmed with the celebrity NBA player who
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  Speaker 1: she was going out with and trying to hit up too.
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  Speaker 1: Who what do you mean trying to hit up? She
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  Speaker 1: is a What do you mean she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: hit up an NBA player hit him up? What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean she was trying to have a liaison with
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  Speaker 1: him and then do the same thing that she different?
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  Speaker 1: Are you saying she asked somebody else for money. I've
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  Speaker 1: seen these NBA players I'm talking about this case. Figure them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to save you from a big Battle lawsuit, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I can hear any evidence area Constant ever asked
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  Speaker 1: anybody else for money, like an NBA player that she
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  Speaker 1: may have had a relationship with. Are you saying you
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  Speaker 1: did say she hit him up? Hit him up for what? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this, I've known a lot of NBA players
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  Speaker 1: and I see the groupies. I've seen the groupies around them,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that they when they see these guys
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  Speaker 1: walking into the game or into the club after the game,
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  Speaker 1: they say, here comes the gravy train, and they don't
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  Speaker 1: want that to get out in their cloud with with Cosby,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. So you have no evidence, not even
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  Speaker 1: suntil a shred that she asked an NBA star for money. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I guess what you're saying is you think the
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  Speaker 1: jury should have heard that she had a relationship with
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  Speaker 1: somebody else before Cosby. I'm not saying they should have,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't. They didn't hear about that celebrity. Not
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  Speaker 1: because you know what, if that's true, let's bring in
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  Speaker 1: those other sixty women on Cosby. See how that works out.
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  Speaker 1: What's fair for the case. That's the lady in this
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  Speaker 1: case waited a full year to bring her accusations. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: is why I love This is why I love Robin Ficker.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you knock him down, he stands right back
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  Speaker 1: up with a whole new argument, and he's like a snake.
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  Speaker 1: If you listen, you'll start swaying right along with it. Hey, hey, figure,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about your quiet relationship with Coby. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: got a call from Cosby's crew to come up and
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  Speaker 1: be a contestant on You Bet Your Life. That was
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  Speaker 1: a game show that had been held by Roucho Marks
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  Speaker 1: prior to that. He was sort of a copycat Cosby was.
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  Speaker 1: And there were three couples. My partner was a plant
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  Speaker 1: psychologist who would say nice things the plants to make
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  Speaker 1: them feel good, and then I was the person that
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  Speaker 1: criticized the plant. Cosby had a big pot of flowers,
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  Speaker 1: and there were three couples. We got the high score
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  Speaker 1: of the three couples. We went on to ask and
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  Speaker 1: try to get the big money question, and we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: get it right. I couldn't think of the name of
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  Speaker 1: the prep school at Napoleon went to to learn his
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  Speaker 1: field tactics. What prep school was that? You know, I
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  Speaker 1: fool can't remember might might have been eaten. It was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a prep school at Napoleon supposedly won his
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  Speaker 1: later battles on He won his his battles on the
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  Speaker 1: playing fields of his prep school, where he learned military tactics.
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  Speaker 1: Supposedly hm because he was very charming. He was just
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  Speaker 1: as charming as he could be. I went to school
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  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. He was revered there. He put temple on
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  Speaker 1: the map. Everyone thought that it was a place where
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  Speaker 1: Jewish people go to church. He made it into a
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  Speaker 1: school that was nationally known. He was on the board
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  Speaker 1: of trustees. He was he was revered in Pennsylvania, and
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  Speaker 1: he had people clustering around him, just just like they
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  Speaker 1: used to around Muhammed Ali. They would cluster around and
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  Speaker 1: try to get what they could. And what does that
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  Speaker 1: have to do with this rape case. Well, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to say that she was looking for the gravy
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  Speaker 1: train and they had a liaison. Seriod was not to
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  Speaker 1: sue him or get money. The first thing she did
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  Speaker 1: go to police and try to do a criminal charge.
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  Speaker 1: The police agreed, and then the d A to quote
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  Speaker 1: and I'm quoting, keep Cosby from being cast in a
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  Speaker 1: quote bad light, ordered the police to shut down the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Luckily he's no longer the d A. When that was
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  Speaker 1: shut down, she waited a minute and then she decided
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  Speaker 1: to sue Civilly since the system failed her. That is
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  Speaker 1: what happened. It was ps the military school in Brian
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  Speaker 1: in the Champagne region where Napoleon learned his military tactics.
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  Speaker 1: But back to this trial, let's talk about what's happened
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  Speaker 1: so far. So far, the jury has already had a question.
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  Speaker 1: They asked the judge, Stephen O'Neill to clarify what was
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  Speaker 1: meant by quote little friends as Cosby described the three peels.
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  Speaker 1: He gave constant the excution, talked about it in closings,
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  Speaker 1: and they asked a question about it so far. They've
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  Speaker 1: been out for four hours and that was their question. Now, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: can can you take off your defense hat for just
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  Speaker 1: a minute. I'm trying to decipher what that question really means.
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  Speaker 1: They said that they wanted to quote clarify the context
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  Speaker 1: under which Cosby described the three pills. He admitted he
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  Speaker 1: gave the constant as quote little friends. That was their question,
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  Speaker 1: clarify the context under which he described them as little friends. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you this ficker, back to your contention
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  Speaker 1: that this was all voluntary, Why did he have to
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  Speaker 1: doper up on quai ludes? If it was voluntary, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it was better drill another he says it was
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  Speaker 1: ben and drill. You think I believe that? Uh, he's
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  Speaker 1: life to everybody in his life, including Camille, his wife,
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  Speaker 1: his entire life. Why should I think he's telling the
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  Speaker 1: truth to the jury now, He's gonna lie to save
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  Speaker 1: his own skin. If he had the guts to testify,
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  Speaker 1: which he did not, he had his lawyer's life for him.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happened. Even if it were better drill, there were.
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  Speaker 1: There was much. Even if it were qualudes, there was quailudes,
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  Speaker 1: ludes not quality. There was much use of quailudes invading situation.
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  Speaker 1: I've never had a quailude in a dating situation. Have
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  Speaker 1: you given women quayludes? Common? Is it? I't done it
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  Speaker 1: and you haven't done it, then it's not as common
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  Speaker 1: as you say ludes. Use of quailudes at at the
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  Speaker 1: during that time was was quite common. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: about giving quelus to women and then having sex on
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  Speaker 1: them when they were completely incapacitated. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: common that is. That sounds like a rate to me. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he lied to the police the first time she went
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  Speaker 1: into the police on very first date. She's a liar,
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  Speaker 1: you see. The liar is that you sound like a
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  Speaker 1: little parrot Robin ficker. I usually get better out of
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  Speaker 1: you and going along with their kookie arguments. Um. The
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  Speaker 1: judge gave the jury final instructions before they were sent
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  Speaker 1: back to their hotel. They deliberated until nine thirty at night.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to go home for the night. O'Neil said,
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  Speaker 1: that's the judge, and he said he would normally have
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  Speaker 1: worked longer, but the jurards had already been in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom for thirteen hours. They have been sequestered during the
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  Speaker 1: duration of the trial, and um Cosby left as well,
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  Speaker 1: looking tired as he should for a man that I
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  Speaker 1: believes about to go to jail. You know, he and
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  Speaker 1: his camp act like they're going to a photo shoot.
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  Speaker 1: They walk in and out, beaming, smiling, chatting, laughing, quipping.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's weird. They're they're caught up in the
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  Speaker 1: celebrity look. They used to have his picture on a
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  Speaker 1: on a well known restaurant in Washington, DC, on the
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  Speaker 1: wall outside the restaurant, trying to get people to come in.
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  Speaker 1: He was. He was the hero of Africa America. He
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  Speaker 1: was their hero. He was He was the point man.
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  Speaker 1: He came before Obama. He was. He was the Obama
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  Speaker 1: of an earlier time. Love, Mr Ficker. Lady Justice is blind.
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  Speaker 1: She doesn't care, or she's not supposed to. Whether you
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  Speaker 1: were rich or poor, or the middle of the road,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're white or black, man or woman doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: So let's see what Lady Justice does with this one
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  Speaker 1: stories along with Robin Ficker and Allan Dick, signing off
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend.