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Huddle Up | Jaguars Mock Draft, Evaluating Roster · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Huddle Jaguars. Senior writer John Osher, NFL network
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  Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks and senior reporter J. P.
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  Speaker 1: Shaffick bring you the latest on yours Jacksonville Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Huddle Up starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky
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  Speaker 3: Brooks in La.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with John Oser, I'm JP Shaddick.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, We're in the Miller Electric Center, the
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  Speaker 3: Hyundai studios. As the off season continues, we'll get the
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  Speaker 3: football coming up. We'll hear from Mark Lamping coming up
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  Speaker 3: as well, Jaguar's team president on the opening of the
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  Speaker 3: office building earlier this week.
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  Speaker 2: Bucky, what's going on? What happened to you?
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  Speaker 4: And c What are you talking about? Baseball is going great,
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  Speaker 4: they're crushing it. Spraceball season is good.
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  Speaker 5: Spring football season this year second year head coach.
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  Speaker 4: Spring football is good. Women's team is in the sweet
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  Speaker 4: six team. But I have no idea what you're talking about,
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  Speaker 4: Like what life is good as Atario?
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  Speaker 2: What would it be bad?
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  Speaker 5: Buckie? That was a hard watch the other night.
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  Speaker 4: Man. Oh you're talking about you talk about the men's
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  Speaker 4: basketball team.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm watching it.
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  Speaker 6: With my wife. And again, I'm not the die. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not tar Hill Blue, tar Hill Bred, tar Hill dead
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  Speaker 6: like you are, but they're They're the team that I
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  Speaker 6: follow and I loved Dean Smith, love Roy Williams.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look different time.
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  Speaker 6: That was not a a Carolina coached team.
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  Speaker 4: The other night, Yeah, would say it's not a Carolina
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  Speaker 4: coach team. It was not a Carolina team from a
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  Speaker 4: talent standpoint, even though Katob Wilson was injured. It's a
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  Speaker 4: lot different, like to we're not gonna make this a
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  Speaker 4: tar Hill podcast. But for most of my childhood I
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  Speaker 4: am used to being first or second my team in basketball,
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  Speaker 4: Like you could.
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  Speaker 5: Write that in and believe you ought to be first.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And when they finished second, it was like, what
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  Speaker 4: are we doing right? You know? Like so it's it's
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  Speaker 4: been it's been a challenge to see them fall off.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll say this, they finished fourth in the a
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  Speaker 4: SEC this year, which was quite an accomplishment given after
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  Speaker 4: they lost the player. But they are in a crossroads
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  Speaker 4: in terms of who they're going to be in this
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  Speaker 4: new world with nil revenue share in those things, you
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  Speaker 4: have to either go all in on being transactional or
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  Speaker 4: you have to be bold enough to be transformational and
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  Speaker 4: say hey, we're gonna do it a certain way and
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  Speaker 4: be okay when the results are not consistently what they
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  Speaker 4: were back in the past.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was Roy's genius.
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  Speaker 6: I mean even when Roy what won like three he
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  Speaker 6: never went big time n B a.
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  Speaker 5: Guy to do it. I wonder if you can do
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  Speaker 5: it that way change, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I would. I would say the difference is though, because
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  Speaker 4: when I look at all these teams, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if all of the great teams, like for instance, Houston
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  Speaker 4: was really good. They're doing it with fourth and fifth
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  Speaker 4: year players that have stayed in the program. They may
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  Speaker 4: have a proer too. But I would say maybe the
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  Speaker 4: difference is the profile is not that of a blue
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  Speaker 4: blood where you expect it every year, so they build
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  Speaker 4: it differently, and they had the patients to wait. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, like like in Kentucky. Kentucky and Carolina are
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  Speaker 4: kind of in the same thing. The fan base doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have the patience to wait for rebuild their expectations every year.
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  Speaker 4: Every year. We need to be there.
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  Speaker 6: Much like that when you can walk to Duke and
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  Speaker 6: they never rebuild. I mean you can walk over there,
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  Speaker 6: Buck but you know that.
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  Speaker 4: Duke has not won a national title since twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: so a lot of that is a bit of a myth.
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  Speaker 3: Year.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know something.
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  Speaker 4: Teams like you can go to the dance, but if
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  Speaker 4: you ain't dancing.
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  Speaker 5: What's shirt? But he's bleeding light blue right now?
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  Speaker 4: I mean they haven't. Carolina won one in twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 4: and they went again in twenty sixteen. Duke, they ever won.
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  Speaker 6: To look, this is not a Carolina podcast, but I
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  Speaker 6: do a general question for you because there's not much
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  Speaker 6: NFL going on, but a general question.
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  Speaker 5: And this is probably the old guy in us. We're
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  Speaker 5: all old.
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  Speaker 6: You guys aren't as old as me. But Bucky's closer
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  Speaker 6: than he wants to admit.
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  Speaker 4: I admit I'm there. Do you.
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  Speaker 5: I used to love this thing.
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  Speaker 6: I used to love college basketball.
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  Speaker 5: I was into it.
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  Speaker 6: Do I not have the interest in it because I'm
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  Speaker 6: old now? Or is it just is it the ni
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  Speaker 6: L They cycle in and out so fast. I'll always
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  Speaker 6: use this. You hated later Iner, but you cared because
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  Speaker 6: he was there for four years and you knew him.
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  Speaker 6: You don't know anybody now. They're not there long enough.
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  Speaker 6: They're there for about a minute and a half and
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  Speaker 6: then they're off. And that's too much of a generalization
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  Speaker 6: to understand it. But I've talked to multiple people are
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  Speaker 6: a and they just can't attach to college basketball anymore.
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  Speaker 4: I think college sports in general are kind of like that.
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  Speaker 4: Football is just a kingpin that will never go away.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's really hard recognized the helmets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really hard when you can't, as you say,
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  Speaker 4: grow to fall in love with the players that you see.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, they were terrible as a freshman, look at
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  Speaker 4: them get better as a sophomore man did junior year
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  Speaker 4: they start playing. Senior year they're great. It's hard when
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  Speaker 4: we don't have that connection and college sports are I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we're calling it college, but guys don't even really go
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  Speaker 4: to class like everyone is taking things online. There's a
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  Speaker 4: disconnect between us romanticizing what college sports were to what
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  Speaker 4: they are now. And I'll say this, it's really difficult
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  Speaker 4: for me, particularly as a tourer in watching like Carolina
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  Speaker 4: basketball growing up on that to these people popcorn in
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  Speaker 4: and out and there's no connection to the thing. It's
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  Speaker 4: just a different time. But like the university and some
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  Speaker 4: of these other schools, you had a crossroads where either
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  Speaker 4: you jump in and you're okay with the transfer portal
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  Speaker 4: and everyone, or you just are Nah, we believe we're
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  Speaker 4: gonna do it another way and we're okay with what
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  Speaker 4: it looks like. Kind of like Dabbo and Clemson in football,
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  Speaker 4: if you ask Trevor. Trevor probably has a hard time
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  Speaker 4: looking at Clemson struggle. But they're trying to do it
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  Speaker 4: the way they did it when Trevor was there, as
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  Speaker 4: opposed to the way some other schools are doing it.
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  Speaker 3: And not many players these days are gonna go perfect
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  Speaker 3: from the field and the free throw line on the
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  Speaker 3: regional final with the game winning shot with no time
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  Speaker 3: left like Latner did.
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  Speaker 2: Those days are pretty much over.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect day.
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  Speaker 4: I cannot believe that perfectly is over here talking about
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  Speaker 4: Christian Latner.
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  Speaker 2: You brought him up.
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  Speaker 4: Like I would never bring I would never bring that guy.
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  Speaker 4: I would never bring the Duke Ye in general, I.
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  Speaker 3: Am good with That's enough Carolina talk for the day.
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  Speaker 3: We've had enough of this already. Let's move along. Well
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  Speaker 3: a little bit later, get into the Jaguars sending an
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  Speaker 3: offer sheet to Jake Bobo wide receiver. The Seahawks, but
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  Speaker 3: then the Seahawks matching it. We'll get into that. The
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars business side this week officially cut the ribbon for
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  Speaker 3: the new office space along the Saint John's River. The
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  Speaker 3: building is called One Court Tower, and the Jaguars occupy
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  Speaker 3: the second, third, and fourth floors. There's a law firm
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  Speaker 3: taking over all the fifth mark lamping explaining who's going
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  Speaker 3: in on the fifth and sixth.
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  Speaker 7: In addition to the Jaguars business office headquarters, local private
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  Speaker 7: investment firm timm Aquan Asset Management will occupy seven thousand
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  Speaker 7: square feet on the building sixth floor. A new six
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  Speaker 7: thousand square foot state of the art downtown YMCA which
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  Speaker 7: is open to YMCA members from all over. The first
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  Speaker 7: Coded Network is now open and located on the first floor.
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  Speaker 7: Eric Mann, thank you very much for your partnership to
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  Speaker 7: help make this happen. Future plans also include a fifty
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  Speaker 7: seven one hundred square foot full service restaurant.
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  Speaker 2: On the on the ground level.
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  Speaker 7: Today, we are absolutely thrilled to be able to announce
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  Speaker 7: that global law firm Fully and Lardner LLP will relocate
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  Speaker 7: their Jacksonville office to occupy the entire fifth floor to
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  Speaker 7: accommodate forty four attorneys and approximately sixty staff members.
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  Speaker 4: Daniel white Lee is here. Thank you, thank you, thank
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  Speaker 4: you very much.
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  Speaker 3: So that was announced today and then everybody who was
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  Speaker 3: at the ribbon cutting got the tour of the office
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  Speaker 3: facilities the second and third floor today and the YMCA
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  Speaker 3: that was open, so adding to downtown Jacksonville. The mayor
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  Speaker 3: was there Donna Degan today as well with some comments.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the other side of the Jaguars business. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the development on the other side right next to the
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  Speaker 3: Four Seasons which is going up, developing this office building
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  Speaker 3: a big piece of that. They had to get everybody
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  Speaker 3: on the business side of the organization out of the
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  Speaker 3: stadium so the construction in the stadium can move along.
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  Speaker 2: And now the official opening today.
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  Speaker 6: Johnny, speaking of Four Seasons, is your condo almost done?
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  Speaker 6: Are they finishing that.
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  Speaker 2: Up for me or buy?
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  Speaker 4: Must be.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously BUCkies is done?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, BUCkies yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not did. I'll be more down near the Beach
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  Speaker 4: club more so than down there.
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  Speaker 3: But if they want to throw that in, you would
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  Speaker 3: turn it down.
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  Speaker 4: What happened? What happened to you? Take that? Maybe maybe
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  Speaker 4: with the next contract we can kind of bake that
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  Speaker 4: into the cake.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the three sixty five night at Room Ocean, he's
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  Speaker 6: already baked in. It's he down for eleven days and.
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  Speaker 3: Brooks sweep, we can, we can, we can bake some
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  Speaker 3: other things into the balcony on that thing or what.
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  Speaker 4: As they say, everything is negotiable, Everything is negotiating.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The worst thing they can say is no weld just
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  Speaker 4: keep this in the envelope a boy.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the other side that happened today, which is
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  Speaker 3: cool to see and everybody walking around the building and
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  Speaker 3: good operation, good set up over there, and good to
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  Speaker 3: see the other levels of the building starting to take shape.
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  Speaker 3: And some other companies in downtown. Actually that law firm
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  Speaker 3: he was talking about moving from another part of downtown
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  Speaker 3: and staying downtown. There are some companies that are leaving
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  Speaker 3: downtown and the pushes to keep some companies here. So
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  Speaker 3: that's a big step of the right direction. Certainly, time
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  Speaker 3: down locking your seats for twenty twenty six. Place your
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  Speaker 3: but seating capacity limited in bowl. Renovation spots are going fast.
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  Speaker 3: There might be some people in the lower bowl affected
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  Speaker 3: where their seats were might not even exist anymore, at
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  Speaker 3: least this season, so there'd be some movement around. So
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  Speaker 3: we are in a free agency zone right now. The
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars did try to make another move the other They
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  Speaker 3: cent an offer sheet to Seahawks receiver Jake Bobo. Had
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  Speaker 3: five days the Seahawks did to match it, and they
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  Speaker 3: did match it, two year offer sheet five point five
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  Speaker 3: million up to seven million with incentives. According to reports,
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  Speaker 3: special teams blocking kind of player, the.
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  Speaker 2: Bucket's going back to Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: The Jaguars did what they felt they could and made
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  Speaker 3: that offer.
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  Speaker 2: But hey, the Seahawks got him back. How does that work? Like,
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  Speaker 2: why did that happen that way?
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  Speaker 4: Well, he was a restricted free agent, so the Seattle
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks had the opportunity to match whatever deal was put
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  Speaker 4: out there. And because you no longer can put poison
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  Speaker 4: pills in the contract, it's pretty clean when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to a here's the number. Either we want to get
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  Speaker 4: up to the number and match it, or we don't.
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  Speaker 4: They decided that he was such a vital part of
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  Speaker 4: their operation as a special teams player, as a backup
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  Speaker 4: receiver that they want to retain him. And if you
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  Speaker 4: go back, if you talk to people up there, they
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  Speaker 4: would say he was so valuable because he pushed everyone
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  Speaker 4: around him off in time time. Bobo was so solid
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  Speaker 4: as a practice player that he put pressure on DK
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  Speaker 4: Metcalf when DK Metcalf was there to practice and perform
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  Speaker 4: at that level. There is something too, and we talked
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  Speaker 4: about it going all the way back to when Glass
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  Speaker 4: on the Coin tooked over. They talked about the culture
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  Speaker 4: and the program changing organically by the people that you
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  Speaker 4: bring in. Well, if you want a team that plays
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  Speaker 4: hard and practice art, what you do is go get
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of players that play hard and practice hard.
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  Speaker 4: Bobo would have been one of those guys that did
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  Speaker 4: that for them and it would continue to elevate the
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  Speaker 4: energy and the vibes in the building because you have
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  Speaker 4: another high level competitor with the Jacks.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that jives with exactly what I heard inside the
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  Speaker 6: building was they liked his toughness.
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  Speaker 5: It was a move.
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  Speaker 6: I got that question, why are the time of wide receiver? Well,
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  Speaker 6: because not all levels of wide receiver in terms of
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  Speaker 6: putting together roster are created equal. You want a guy
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  Speaker 6: in that fourth or fifth receiver role who can play
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  Speaker 6: all this special teams because it helps you form a
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  Speaker 6: game day roster. And he was a piece that you
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  Speaker 6: could bring in and absolutely feel good about your game
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  Speaker 6: day roster. Never have to play him on offense unless forced,
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  Speaker 6: and he's still valuable. But if you played him on offense,
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  Speaker 6: you were fine with it because you can get production
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  Speaker 6: so teams, Bucky, Those are the meat and potatoes guys
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  Speaker 6: that gms and coaches love because it makes a Thursday
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  Speaker 6: night and Friday morning so much easier in trying to
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  Speaker 6: figure out who's going to be up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the big thing when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: special team so we're trying to find extra advantages. Liam
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  Speaker 4: always talks about finding an edge. Well, one of the
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  Speaker 4: edges that the Jaguars can continue to expand on is
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  Speaker 4: the special teams area. Being able to dominate the game
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  Speaker 4: on special teams, to hitting yardage. When we talked about
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  Speaker 4: flipping fields, the punt exchanges, being able to return kicks
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  Speaker 4: and cover kicks really well. Was the guy that could
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  Speaker 4: up you in so many different ways. And now it's
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  Speaker 4: about finding other guys that can do it. Special teams
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  Speaker 4: are the final from team. If you're going to be
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  Speaker 4: a team that we want to be where we're always
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  Speaker 4: in the conversation not only being a playoff contender, but
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  Speaker 4: eventually a title contender. You got to be solid in
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  Speaker 4: each of the three areas offense, defense, and special teams.
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  Speaker 4: So I would expect us to continue to look at
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  Speaker 4: how we can enhance the bottom third of the roster
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  Speaker 4: to make sure we grate in those areas, particularly in
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  Speaker 4: the kicking game.
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  Speaker 6: It's funny, JPI. I had run in right when freedency
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  Speaker 6: was starting. I ran into Heath Farwell come out of
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  Speaker 6: the building and Special teams coordinator, and I joked with him.
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  Speaker 6: I said, so they getting all your guys because the
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  Speaker 6: Special teams coach they're famous for they sit there during
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  Speaker 6: the draft and freegency and they whittle their thumbs because
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  Speaker 6: they're not getting anybody for them.
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  Speaker 5: And just when they go out.
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  Speaker 6: And try to get his guy Shia.
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  Speaker 5: He goes back the other way.
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  Speaker 6: So special once again, Special Teams coidner has to wait
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  Speaker 6: by the sidelines.
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  Speaker 3: So that works a lot of time in the NFL. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's wrap to a Bucky. Your mock Draft three point
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  Speaker 3: zero was released yesterday at about two o'clock. That was
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday. I don't know if you remember it. I
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  Speaker 3: know how this operates now after.
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  Speaker 5: Talking to round Now.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, to do a second round draft, I mean
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  Speaker 2: the first.
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  Speaker 6: Round is first round the Jaguars, don't right.
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  Speaker 4: I had some We had somebody. We did a show
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  Speaker 4: mock draft lot that if you're watching on NFL dot com,
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  Speaker 4: you would have been able to see who we have
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  Speaker 4: projected to go to the Jaguars. That would be, uh,
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  Speaker 4: Jacob Rodriguez, linebacker from Texas Tech, someone who was a
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  Speaker 4: splash play creator because of his ability to knock the
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  Speaker 4: ball loose on forced fumbles interceptions. We felt like there
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  Speaker 4: was a slot right there, giving Devin Lloyd's departure, maybe
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  Speaker 4: a second round linebacker would be heavy and play for
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  Speaker 4: the Jags because it's a really good linebacker class and
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  Speaker 4: he'd be a good fit. He'd be a good player.
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  Speaker 2: I got in Texas Tech, Jacob Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 6: I have a question for the guy who won't mock
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  Speaker 6: people in the second round.
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  Speaker 2: That's my question.
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  Speaker 6: In his online the one that I can go find
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  Speaker 6: on the website. Yeah, I'm looking at it second round
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  Speaker 6: picks or not.
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  Speaker 2: He goes to thirty thirty two.
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  Speaker 5: Thirty two as if the league just stops.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody cares if there's no.
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  Speaker 5: Friday or Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: So, Bucky, it does seem like it's a sweet spot
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  Speaker 6: in terms of where the Jaguars are picking. You would
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  Speaker 6: think outside linebacker would be logical. It doesn't mean they
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  Speaker 6: go that direction, but uh, break down some of the
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  Speaker 6: guys Rodriguez too. There's a few guys who might be there.
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  Speaker 6: Who do you like, Who would you be happiest with
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  Speaker 6: if they came out of there with that guy just
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  Speaker 6: at linebacker because that seems, you know, frankly, because we've
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  Speaker 6: got four or five more weeks to go some other positions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So when we talked about linebacker, Jacob ar Regaz
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  Speaker 4: from Texas Tech is someone that will certainly be there.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why he's appealing to me when I
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: look at him, he looks like a jag in terms
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: of the way that he moves around, the way that
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: he plays, the passion that he exhibits, but more importantly,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: the playmaking. We can say a lot of things about
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd, but you don't turn the ball over five
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: times that and leave and not have an impact that's
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: felt or create a crater. He does that. He has
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: a knack for getting the ball plays fast. He was
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: a wildcare quarterback at times. That speaks to his athleticism
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: and what it can do. But then when you watch
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: him at the combine, the athleticism matched up with the play.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: If we're pieing the sky hoping that someone gets there,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Anthony Hill from Texas could be someone that's in the mix.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna be there, but we talk
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: about hit, running cover, super athletic. Seventeen sacks during his
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: time at Texas, So he's an off ball linebacker who
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: also can get in the mix as an additional pass rusher.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: You love that if he's available a realistic possibility. It
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: will be dependent upon how we choose to play him.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Jake Golday from Cincinnati, big physical linebacker six' ford two thirty,
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: seven super, athletic started off as an edge defended and
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: moved back to off ball. Linebacker so we have some
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: versatility that you could tap. Into and then the last
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: guy who could be there would Be Josiah trotter From.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Missouri and WHEN i think about. HIM i think of
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: an old school thumper linebacker comes, downhill great instincts and.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Awareness he is kind of slippery as a pass. Rusher second,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: round at the bottom of the second round where we're
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: talking about, picking he could be. There so it's a
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: really good. Class if you're gonna get a linebacker at
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: the second, round it's kind of the sweet spot where
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: you can find a good. One let's see if The
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: jaguars take a, swing see if they can find.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: One since we board people at the top With Carolina blue,
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: talk we'll throw him a bone here and talk a
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: little more. Draft i'm not sure in this show we've
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: really talked about the draft in. GENERAL i keep hearing
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: that it's not a great draft at the draft OR nfl, types, Which,
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: bucky you're AN nfl Type elease.
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  Speaker 5: Type, yeah so.
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  Speaker 6: That there are some real position groups that people love
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: in twenty, seven AND i feel like it's it's a
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: better draft than twenty. Seven assess that big picture of
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: thirty thousand, FEET i would.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Say that the draft is one that is avoid of
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: what we call like, headliners a superstar, talent and a
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: lot of that narratives driven by the quarterbacks or the
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: lack thereof in the. CLASS i would say at the,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: top you have guys that are splashy and they're play
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: but they played what we call non premium. Positions so
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the guys that are being talked about a lot of
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: the top Rvil, reese off ball linebacker who occasionally plays
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: on the, Edge Sunny styles off ball linebacker plays on the,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Edge Caleb downs, safety don't really get excited about. Safeties,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: traditionally running Back Jeremiah Love, so four of the guys
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that have the sizzle when you watch them are non premium,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: positions and of late we've been conditioned to devalue those,
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: positions even though if you ask coaches they would say
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: that that is. Changing because on, defense there's what we
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: call positionless, ball where you have a bunch of different
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: hybrids that are playing and moving around like The Seattle.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Seahawks so linebackers that have safety, flexibility safeties and corners
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: who can go interchangeably from outside to. Inside those guys
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: are really really valued because guys are not changing and,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: substituting they're just moving people around and everyone looks the.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Same running backs that can catch the ball out the
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: backfield while also being able to grind it twenty to
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: twenty five times at. Value because of the way that
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: we kind of prioritize the, positions those positions are not
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: getting the love that they typically would. Get that's why
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: we don't have the sizzle in the, draft because the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: best players don't play those marque spots that we always talk.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: About Our antonio And jarian start to be those kind of.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Guys Man, like, YES i think, so AND i think
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: we've seen that. Right so last year The jaguars did
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: a lot of three safety looks With Antonio johnson on the,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: field or they ran their nickel package With Jarion jones
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: on the. Field and what's interesting about those two guys
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: is they both played the nickel, role but they played it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Differently When Jarians jones is on the field as the FIFTH,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: dB he's a cover. Corner he's a guy that can
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: play in the, slot but play out. Wide you're anticipating
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: past you want to match up better with the wide.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Receivers When Antonio johnson is on the, field he's a
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: safety that can come in the. Box he's not afraid
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: of the smoke and deal them with the run. Game
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: so you get a different body to match up with
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: tight ends or be a. Factor everyone is now trying
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: to find these guys who can kind of be A
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Swiss army knife in various. Spots so a lineman that
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: can play on the edge would go inside on passing,
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: downs linebackers that can play in space and do. Something
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: safeties that can do, that and the more you can
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: do it increases the value and it adds more tools
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: to the toolbox for the. Decoordinator so you're looking for
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: that in the league is in the middle of A
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: i would say a bit of a, storm, sure where
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: we're seeing more teams kind of build their teams and
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: defenses like.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: That it's, FUNNY, jp you AND i have.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Talked some fans ask us questions all the time and
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: ask me questions a lot in the, ozone and it
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: always takes four or five years sometimes for the verbage
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: that people who follow the game ask and is different
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: than the people who are actually coaching and playing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: It these.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Positions people always want to, know, well who's the starting, safeties, right.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yea who's the you, know there's two of, them not so.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: What are they? Playing are they playing a four to
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: three or a three? Four is?
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: It and we try to answer questions in that vein
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: because that's the verbiage that the fans and and us
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: have learned for thirty five, years and that's how we can.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: Communicate but As bucky, said when you get in to
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: talk looking to the people who are putting guys in the,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: field sometimes you ask the question about a four to
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: three and they give you sort of a blank, look
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: and it's, like, WELL i GUESS i can talk about
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: it four to, three but we nobody really plays that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: anymore you. Know so it's interesting how the league transitions
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: ahead of what of how we talk about.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: It it's Not madden where you have to hit the
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: button and choose a four to three or three four or.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no it's.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: So blended and that's what makes you really. Hard SO
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: i do the top five rankings by position for the
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: prospects and people are. Mad they're MAD jp because WHAT
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: i wrote had edge and outside. Linebackers what posted On
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: twitter And instagram was edge and defensive, end and people are, confused, like,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: what what's the difference between an edge and a defensive?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: End this and that and there is not like that
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: like some, guys edge is the general, category but everyone
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: wants a very clean definition for what a guy. Plays
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: and you can't give them that because some were looking
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: at an outside linebacker stand up player as a defensive.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: End others will, say, oh that's an outside linebacker given their.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: System some will look at the nickel guy like we
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: talked About jerry And jones as a. Nickel others will
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: look At Antonio johnson as a. Star it is just
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: however you want to categorize. IT i just know that
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be eleven guys on defense and they will
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: figure out how to play him. Somewhere and we have
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: to be more comfortable knowing that we're going to live
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: in the gray when it comes to labeling what a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: player is and what he can.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Do, Yeah bucky AND i AS jp knows because he
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: reads them or do the position by position, breakdowns even
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: of The. Jaguars and it's sometimes hard because it's you,
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: know A bucky will be talking about defensive, Line, well
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: is defensive? Line does that include your? Edge does that
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Include Josh? Allen and sometimes he stands up, sometimes you.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: Know so it's an interesting when you're trying to break this,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: down you do not break it down the same. Way
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: WHEN i was Writing bucky was playing in nineteen ninety,
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: eight you knew who the defensive ends.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: Were it Was Tony.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Bright you, know it was very clear who played what
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: and maybe you'd have a guy kick, inside but it
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: wasn't like now where there's you, know over the, field
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Is Antonio johnson in safety, usually but then there's times
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: where he Played.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah it kind of Maybe i'm interesting to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Try to break that, down And i'm with.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: You fans get frustrated because they'll ask me questions AND
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: i always have to start off by saying yes sometimes
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: but in certain, looks this guy might be playing, this
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: and if he goes to another, team he might be playing,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: this And i'll get emails back just answer the.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Question, well you can't always.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Just answer a positional question anymore with a very stock you,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: know you want to go onto the web and you
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: want to be able to get everybody's depth, chart and it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Just doesn't quite work that way.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Anymore it doesn't quite work that way because they also
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: changed the numbers when they started letting D lineman and
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: people wear single digits and all. That like that was
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: an acknowledgement that the world is completely different as it
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: relates to what, positions people, playing what labels we can
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: put on.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Them guess who didn't like? That Jay Z i got
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: a funny deal.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: ME i. LOVE i KNOW i should always were and
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: should always.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: Where you, know there's way too much of. It Zero
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Now i'm. KIDDING i actually LIKE i actually like the.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Guys.
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  Speaker 5: Zero that's pretty.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: Cool And i'm even fine with THE dbs being in single.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Digits It it took me a, year but let the
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: record show That i'm okay with.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: IT i don't even know you. Anymore, john change.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: So much So roger does now have to call me.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Back.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Bucky we're looking forward to your full seven round mock written.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: MOCK i know you're you're still.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Looking forward to it. Too you know When i'll do.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: It i'll release it right after draft. Weekend but all out,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: there all seven, picks all seven, rounds all the, picks
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: everything you, need right after draft.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Weekend, wow give me A carolina coach before he had
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: a helpful who's gonna be the?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Coach, well we just Got we just got turned down
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: From Brad. STEVENS i would ANTICIPATE Tdd golden turning us
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: down From. Florida now we're beginning to so does.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: That mean That florida is a better job Than.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Carolina they're out of the tournament.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Too, YEAH i, MEAN i mean that they're throwing money all.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: AROUND i mean. MONEY i ain't coaches like there's a
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: lot of. Money you must be donating big money down.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: There what different world we're in he's doing? This florida
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: coach can turn down. You john's donating times with The
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: florida coach would have walked To Chapel.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Hill AND i would say that he still should walk
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: To Chapel. Hill why wouldn't you say that if you're
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: going back to those days With Norm sloan and, stuff
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: he should still be walking spend time at. State yeah we,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: Can we'll do. It don't worry about. Us we'll be back.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: When bucky starts pulling out Norms sloan AT nc state,
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: references WHICH i completely relate.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: To AND i like. HIM i did not like. HIM
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: i was not a. Fan could you like?
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Him Like David thompson going off the?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: BACKBOARD i also did not like him as.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Well he's not like any of those.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Guys all, right all, right, gentlemen have a great. Week
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: bucky will do it again next, week.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And what next? Week is owner's? Meetings?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Right it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Is, oh so maybe we'll have some news out of
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: that with rule changes and uh Maybe orlando Or, gamesville
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: wherever the.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Jack are we? Going are we going to the owners?
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Meetings where the where we are always?
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Going we're In Arizona Family.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Year so we're sitting this one.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Out we are sitting right here in the. Studio oh
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: that's not.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: FUN i was hoping that they can get a little
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: little trip out of.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: There you, Going you're, Going, Bucky, RIGHT i.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Would go if you guys are, Going but if you're not,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Going i'm not. Going like where fun is?
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: That that's a good. Point get back, There Bucky, Brooks
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: John ozer of J.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: B shadrick or thanks To Joe, Fortunato Brett, reaber our entire,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: crew and thanks for listening to huddle up With Bucky.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Brooks