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Ryan Herring on Urantia Cinema - Carrying the Message Forward · Urantia Radio

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Well, it's sure nice to have you back here on the Urancha Radio
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Podcast, and we're talking about the revelation here.
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This time up, I want to introduce you to Ryan Herring,
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an independent filmmaker who has her grand plan using his talents
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to present the Urancha book through an innovative new way.
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In our conversation, Ryan explains cinematic translation
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and what it will take to get it from vision to reality.
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Creator of 5th Epical Films, Ryan Herring joins us on this
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episode of the Urancha Radio Podcast.
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And welcome to another edition of the Rancher Radio Podcast.
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My name is Jim Watkins and I'm very happy to have on.
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I mentioned this last time that we're going to have a gentleman
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on Ryan Herring. Ryan Herring is someone you may
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have seen. You might even know him.
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He's from Washington, and he wants to produce movies and
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we'll get into all the details about it.
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And he wants to start producing movies based on the Urantia
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book, which I think is a fantastic idea.
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And it kind of spurred my interest to reach out and find
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out what he's up to. So please welcome to the program
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Ryan Herring. Ryan, are you in Port Angeles
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today? I'm here at my house.
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I I'm a real estate agent, professionally so, and actually
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I work from home. Oh, isn't that sweet?
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I mean, if there's one thing that came out of COVID, which
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there were not many things that came out, is that humanity or at
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least Western society, You know, I think it might be a a possible
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solution to, you know, traffic because I was always worried,
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well, what's going to happen soon?
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Nobody's going to be able to get anywhere.
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And then COVID came along and suddenly everybody's working
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from home. So maybe that'll do something to
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help, you know, slow down the deterioration of our
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environment. Who knows?
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But anyway, it's good to have you on.
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And I want to talk about a lot of things first.
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When did you get to know the ranch book?
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How did you find it, What what was going on in your life?
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And tell us about that. Journey.
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So I guess I I discovered it in 1999 and I was 20 years old at
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the time and I just was doing independent studies on my own
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into spirituality and just really studying, trying to take
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a deeper dive into all different types of world religions.
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And which ones did you try before you finally settled on
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The Urantia Book? Or which ones do you like?
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There's a there's a little bit of something in every one of
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them, you know, that's. Appealing.
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So I guess if I roll back a little further, I was raised
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from time I was well before I could remember until I was 14
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and I chose to leave as Jehovah's Witness.
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That. Was right deeply schooled in
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Christianity or a certain brand of it I guess you could say from
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a young age. So.
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So I was religious and and Jehovah's Witnesses, you know,
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they'd meet three times a week and they go out and they do door
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to door evangelistic work on the weekends and and evening
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sometimes. So yeah, so I was doing a lot of
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religious activities. I guess when I was the youth I
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was that's what I was brought up around.
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But then I sort of, you know, I I grew up, I I I got in as a
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teenager. I got into, I guess,
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counterculture stuff. I guess you could say
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skateboarding and snowboarding and, you know, just independent
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thinking. And it didn't really jive with
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the whole Joe's Witness thing. So I I broke away as soon as I
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could when I felt like I was old enough to be independent and and
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it just sort of went my own direction.
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But I always had to speak a deep spirituality.
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Yeah, I always had an interconnection with God, and so
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I always carried that with me. And as I got into my later
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teens, I had a lot of friends that were kind of Neo
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Rastafarians, I guess you could say.
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And I got kind of deep into that culture in my late teen years
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and that really. And and there was some, I had
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some friends that were pretty serious about it.
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You know they they were very, very spiritually minded too,
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although they were approaching it from I guess a unique and
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kind of odd angle and up to single, I guess you could say.
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But but through that I and then I had some just some free time.
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When I was 19 I was living at home at my mom's house I should
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say still and just working and sort of kind of breaking away
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from the the social scene for a bit doing my own thing.
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And so I I branched out into just studying all different
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world religions and at that point I was sort of already
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pretty open minded and obviously I knew Christianity and knew the
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Bible but and I I'd already read studied Buddhism a little bit
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and Hinduism a little bit and some other stuff.
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I had some friends that were into Transcend, Transcendental
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Meditation and and some other stuff and and actually how I how
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I discovered the Yorancha book. I was actually I was reading in
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Transcendental Meditation and I I was reading some books by an
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author named Courtney Brown. Doctor Courtney Brown.
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And he has a a type of Transcendental Meditation which
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he terms remote viewing. And so he has written several
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books about this. And I was reading one of the
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books and he talks about in one of the remote viewing sessions.
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He contacted some Midwayers and he's didn't say he was a Uranja
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book reader, really even familiar with it, but just
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mentioned in the book that this kind of fell in line with this
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book called The Uranja Book. And I was just checking out
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books from the Public Library here in Port Angeles at the
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time. And so I was just sort of making
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my way through the whole religious spirituality section
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and and they had the Uranja book there.
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They had a copy of it. So I went back to turn that book
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and I saw the orange book that whoa, that's weird.
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Maybe I should check this out. So anyways, I I didn't.
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That's sort of where my my studies ended.
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I picked up the orange book and I delve deep into it and I I
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just kept studying it since then.
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So. Did you read it?
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From really answered all the questions that I had.
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Yeah, I did. Yeah.
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So you're ready from the beginning.
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I'm sort of a a believer in the, you know, there's a part in
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chapter in paper 19 where they talk about the intentional
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reason why they present the information in the the the way
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they do, starting from, you know, from God, from the center
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and going out to us and to our human history.
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Instead of approaching it from what the human mind would first
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might do, which is start with our history and sort of work a
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way out or inwards. Isn't that interesting?
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Yeah, I always thought that was interesting too, you know?
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And that is my guiding principle to my philosophy of studying the
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Urach book. It always has been that really
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struck A chord with me the first time I read it and and I'm also
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you know I don't know I could go to you can do it.
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I don't want to sidetrack too much, no.
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No, I think this is, you know. But that ties into what I'm
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trying to do is really what I'm trying to do is not make films
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about the Urach book. What I'm trying to do is what I
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dub a cinematic translation. And so that's a word accurate
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translation of the Orange book into an audio visual or
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cinematic format. So really what I'm trying to do
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is if you can imagine the book, you have the written version of
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it. You can imagine the audio book
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version that's out there, right? Yeah, So there's an audio
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version. What I'm trying to do is put an
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audio visual version out in its entirety, starting from the
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beginning, going to the end in order.
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You know, I'm looking at the first section of the book and
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I'm wondering how on earth does he get?
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I mean, why? You know, because it let's look
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at some of the chapters. God the Father, the reality of
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God. God is a universal spirit, the
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mystery of God. And then you go into the sun and
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the nature of the first five chapters of the book are about
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God. So how do you approach
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translating that cinematically? Well, you have to be very
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creative, you know. And I've, you know, I have to
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say that I've had a lot of, I guess, skepticism from readers
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so far about my ideas. And most people, I think, get
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hung up on that part of it. Yeah, some.
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People say they don't like the idea of anybody trying to do
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that, even really they they like the picture in their own mind
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and they don't want somebody ruining that.
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But painting their own crude human picture, which I agree
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with philosophically in a way, but at the same time, it's like
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saying that, you know, Cavemen shouldn't have started doing
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cave drawings because it was true to art even though it was
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the 1st. Art if you're familiar.
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I can't accept that. I can't.
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I can't accept the fact to say that that's wrong to try.
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As humans, we have to try our best, and if this is the best we
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can do as a cave drawing, that's good enough.
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We should still do it. It on that we I sat in on a
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conference call not long ago and if you're familiar, familiar
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with Gary Tong's visuals. Yep, if it weren't for some of
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those visuals I it would have been a much harder time for me
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to comprehend Havona or the structure of.
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The well, the fact of the matter is, there's lots of, there's
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lots of proven studies on it, but it's far easier for anybody
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really to learn from an audio visual presentation than it is
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from a text, from reading a text.
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It's just there's exponentially you can learn more, faster, more
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clearly better. That's just a proven fact.
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Now are you using really. That's yeah.
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Any AI involved in in this that's a recent development.
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So this project that you've been.
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Around yeah I I, you know I haven't really started
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production yet. I mean I have to raise for.
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So I really want to do things in trying to do things in a high
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quality way and make this a a legitimate production.
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And really even if I had all the funds to start right now it
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would take a lot of work assembling the right team.
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And even if we got into full production, you know, when we
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were, you know what I am, what I'm aiming towards is producing
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about 12 papers a year, which kind of equates to about it's
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it's about like what producing a big budget television show
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series would be like if you had a 12 episode, one hour long
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episode season of a television series you've watched and it
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came out once a year, that would be the about the production
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schedule that I'm in for. And that's a lot.
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A lot of these big budget shows, Netflix shows that they don't,
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they only come out like once every 2-3 years because it takes
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them that long to produce 8 episodes, you know, so.
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And they, they spend, you know, millions of dollars, hundreds of
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millions of dollars sometimes in their production.
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So you know it. It's an ambitious goal.
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And even at 12, like if you break it down, there's 197
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papers. I'm talking about the forward
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and 196 papers. So just do the math.
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How many years is that? It's a lot.
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It's over 20. So this is a it's a ambitious
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goal to say the least and and I'm just trying to to get the
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ball rolling because I think that it's a worthy effort to do
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no matter who does it or who's involved or what it takes.
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And I think that having that once it's done having that
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material to stand beside the text.
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I'm not saying to get rid of the text.
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I'm not saying there or the audio version or anything.
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I'm just and and and other people, you know, I thought a
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lot of people you know say that they think what I'm trying to do
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represents mass marketing, which they're against.
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And I don't. I'm not trying to market, if you
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talk to me, I don't have any plan to market this.
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I just want to make it available free just like the audio book
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version is, just like the textbook version is.
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And if actually I have a thesis I wrote on what a cinematic
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translation is and really it's just it's that it's a
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translation. So this is copyrighted material.
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Your Rancha foundation owns the material.
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I'm going to give this to them when it's done and they can
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distribute however they want and I'm going to recommend free
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because I'm raising funds to do it through a non profit and
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we're not. I'm not aiming to make any money
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off it so but you know it's going to be their source
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material just like the book is just like the text, it's just
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another version of the same material.
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So, so that's the goal. I know it's kind of hard to
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understand. It's it's a little outside the
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box, I totally I don't think. So I You know what?
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I'm not a. Weirdo, I I understand what I'm
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doing is is is a little out there so.
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You know, let me jump in here. You know, I would say in the 80s
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and the 90s and even the odds there was the some apprehension
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of taking it slow and and not going out there and doing things
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that would. And I think that that is gone.
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I think that is the older generation of the people.
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It's sort of rooted in the culture of the Urantia book in
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the early days because it was, there was an initially such
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massive rejection of the book in 1955 that people actually kind
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of retreated. Well, maybe, maybe it's too soon
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for this world, right? But that's not the way it is now
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because we have so much, so many tools at our disposal.
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And I see things on on all the social media.
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I saw something today that I'm absolutely, positively sure that
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the person who did it was probably a Rancho Book reader.
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But that that's The thing is we if we don't introduce the book
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and use the tools. Imagine if the, you know, the
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Melchizedek missionaries, if they had the tools that we have
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today, I mean they would have to literally walk to India to share
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the teachings of Melchizedek and they would do it.
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They want to take a months and years and decades, but now we
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can circle the globe in minutes. I think that's an advantage.
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I'm not saying we need to mass market the book and put up
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billboards and all that. It's not about the numbers.
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It's about the fact that our that our society right now is
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going through a lot of turmoil and something like The Urantia
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Book would would come and answer a lot of questions.
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Which is one of the reasons we do this podcast is because we
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want it to be out there. We want people to to be
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introduced to it. If they're not introduced to it,
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the The Midwayers can't help us in bringing people into the
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tent. So tell me about have you gone
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to Hollywood? Have you pitched anybody, Do you
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know anybody like some of the folks that read The Urantia
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Book? I understand it's very popular
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now in Hollywood. I had.
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Well, I mean that's. I don't really know for sure.
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I've I've, I've, I've studied into that a little bit and I
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know I've seen a little, you know, I've noticed I guess what
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you call bleed into some popular culture from the Urantia book,
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you know, just incidentally and personally on my own.
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So I know that it exists and and and actually there's I forget
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his name but there's a gentleman who's a giranche reader who's
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actually I think he's writing a book or working on writing a
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book about the Uranche book's influence on pop culture icons.
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And you know, he talks about Jimi Hendrix, Gene Roddenberry
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and and some other really, you know, influential people.
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And I'm sure there's a lot more recent contemporary folks too.
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I'm sure I, you know, I like, I listen to heavy metal music a
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lot. I, you know, I work out.
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I just, I grew up in that generation.
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Like I said, snowboarding, skateboarding so rock and and
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all that. But one of my favorite bands,
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the Death Jones, they have a they have a song named Eurantia.
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You know, so I mean what? You know, what does that tell
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you? Yeah.
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So anyways, but all that aside, no, I I haven't you know I
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haven't approached anybody yet. It like I said this is a real
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soft launch and my my idea was to just try to 1st present it to
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the existing Uranchi community to let people know what I was
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doing. Even though like, you know, I
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haven't. I don't have a long history of
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involvement with any Uranchi communities.
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I've just been an independent reader.
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Yeah, you know I'm like Woody Allen.
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You know, any, any club that would have me as a member, I
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probably wouldn't want to be a part of.
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That's what Woody Allen once said.
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You know, I'm I'm a solitary messenger.
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You know, I'm, I'm a I'm a David Zebedee, not necessarily a John
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Zebedee. You know, or tell me a little
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bit. Let's get into the visuals a
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little bit. So keeping it as as simple as
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possible, draw us a mental picture of what your first film
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might depict and your approach to making the cinematic
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translation. Tell us how that how that looks.
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Well, I have a little video point website on the first page
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that's this and so 1st is my pitch video.
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Underneath it there's a little sample video.
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So I guess that's as close as I could show at the moment.
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It's really short, but it's from the forward and of course I
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would start at the forward. I'm, you know just my
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methodology and the way I, you know, it would be great to
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produce the whole thing and just release it all at once.
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But because it would take so long that's not really realistic
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and I think it should be kind of released.
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Like I would say my plan would release it like maybe in seasons
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like maybe 10-12 papers at a time, something like that, but I
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would start at the beginning. Then you know that being said, I
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would start at the beginning. So the 1st paper, the first film
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to be done or episode I guess is more accurate way to terminate
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would be the forward And and so I have a little sample of the
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forward that I cut and that's just what I call a riff reel.
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So I just went on YouTube and I had didn't go up to anything.
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I didn't spend any money making this and actually I cut that
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together like two years ago when I first came up with the idea to
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pitch this to your own foundation.
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And so and so I just downloaded clips from YouTube of videos I
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thought kind of fit the visuals of what I was going for.
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So it's just a crude sketch. If you look at that cinematic
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translation sample video I have, really that's just it's a
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director without any crew or money or anything, just sitting
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alone. And you know.
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It's like the equivalent of me sketching A crude sketch on a
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piece of paper so I could go in and show somebody show, you
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know, Pitcher Studios, say, here's what I'm trying to do,
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here's a sketch of the idea of what I'm trying to do.
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And that's the best I can do right now because I'm not.
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I'm not a 3D artist. I don't have all the skills to
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do this. It's going to take a big team to
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put together even something really even representative what
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I'm trying to do because it's going to take, but but I guess
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the closest I could be, I could say, I don't know if you've
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watched series like like Our Planet or there's ABBC.
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Series like Prehistoric Earth, Yeah, a.
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Lot of CGI might be. Involved, yeah.
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I would think exactly. So if you watch those series,
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that's what the production format that I'm going for.
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So obviously it's narrator driven.
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So these earlier papers obviously, so the the narrators,
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the Divine Counselor that does the first, the forward and the
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first few papers that that's a character I mean and you might
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see that person or character a couple times.
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So that's that's a decision. Do we cast real people for which
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I'm in favor of or do you make a completely digital characters?
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I don't know. I mean these are all decisions
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that need to be made and I haven't made them all.
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And it's going to take a team of people and there's going to be a
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lot of factors that determine it.
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Time, budget, all these different things, these, these
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are the the nuts and bolts of the production that need to be
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getting into that, that I can't really start digging into all
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the way until I get there. And because this is a film.
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Project and it's based around a lot of technology that's new and
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in development. It's it's like a moving target.
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You know, I can give you an estimate today of the way I
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would do it, but tomorrow it's going to be different and a year
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from now it's going to be different, you know, because I
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have to stay on top of that moving target.
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And so it's really hard to say until I get to a place where I'm
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ready to start production what the exact methods would be and
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what exactly we'd be doing. But yeah, obviously the first
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few papers, a lot of the first, you know, part one and Part 2
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are are largely going to be digital animations.
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I want to give out your web address now so that people
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listening to the podcast can go on online and look at what what
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we're talking about here. It's 5th epical films.com. 5th
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epical not and not 5th like 5, but FIFTH, 5th epical films.com
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and great logo. And you've got some demos up
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too. You can also subscribe to a
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daily newsletter and and you do a lot of writing and I could
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tell that you're a very good writer.
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I want to ask you a question. This is a little off guard, but
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all those years when you were young and you are knocking on
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doors when you were doing what you do as a Jehovah's Witness,
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did any of that prepare you for what you're doing now?
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But really? I think if anything, I if I
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carry over anything from actually the earlier days as
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being a jealous witness when I was young, it's really just the
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truth. It's like anything else, I
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guess. If it doesn't matter what
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religion you're in, if you if you threw that, found the truth,
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you know that's out there that's real.
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You know, because there's a lot of truth in the Bible.
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There's a lot of truth in in in in what people believe, even
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through their, you know, these evolutionary religions, you
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know, there's a lot of truth be found there and you can find a
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real connection, you know, by real experiences.
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That's what religion is really. So I had a lot of that, a lot of
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that was real. I had a lot of real experiences
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when I was young and they'll still stick with me and they
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they translate over now. There's not really, I've come to
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a place now I guess where in my mind there's not really any
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difference. I I don't think of myself then
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as a different, you know, as a different person religiously.
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It was just that was just a a part of my religious experience
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and I consciously maybe thought about it differently, my
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surroundings of the time, but now there's no difference.
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It was just, you know, it was just a religious experience that
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I had so. We are talking with Ryan
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Herring. He is the CEO, the owner, the
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director, all the chief bottle washer as they say of the 5th
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epical films. And you've got a major project
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here. You want to take the first part
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of the Arrancha book and make it come to life on the silver
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screen, as they say. But I I I think I get yours.
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I've often thought if you had a something like what The History
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Channel does, but if you had a series that went into the
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Urantia book, I I I just found somebody should do that someday,
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Maybe it would be too soon. Maybe it'd be, you know?
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But why? Why the first part?
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Why not like something more relatable like part three of the
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book? That's the most common I guess
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second question I get and it's just again, it ties back to me
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to you know ideally if there was one an ideal way to do it and
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time wasn't a factor, I would do the whole thing and put it all
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out as one and and and actually if you watch the sample video
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that I did. So I hired a guy to do a little
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voice over thing and I carried over what the Urancha Foundation
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added to the beginning of the audiobook as they say that the
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Urancha book is published as a whole, the forward in 196
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papers. It's meant to be studied in the
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relation to the whole and not to be separately studied each
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individual part. Because taken out of context,
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yeah. If you keep it within its
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context then meetings are amplified and and this sort of
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thing. So I put that in there and I
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just added it. It says whether written or heard
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and I added whether written, heard or viewed and and I that's
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the underlying philosophy. You can't break away from that
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and it's fine. Like I don't look, I don't have
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any problem with people making piece meal stuff or videos about
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the aruncha book or trying to introduce the aruncha book to
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people. All that is great.
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That's all great. It has a value.
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I'm not saying that doesn't have a value, but what I'm trying to
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do is completely different. I'm simply trying to present
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what I believe in is that if I had a choice, OK, if I could
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give somebody the Hiranja book, instead of talk explaining it to
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them, I would give it to them and have them read it the whole
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thing. That would be my number one
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choice if I could do. If I had the choice to introduce
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the Hiranja book to somebody, and the ideal way, it would just
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simply to be to take myself out of it, did not try to
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reinterpret it or filter between it.
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I believe in the, you know, the value of each individual's mind
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and their own personal experience with the unfiltered
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revelation they deserve that people deserve an unfiltered
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experience with it, not somebody else's reinterpretation, right?
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Not that those are bad, but what people really crave.
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What they need is that the revelation itself, the real
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thing, all of it, 100% not changed, not filtered, not
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reinterpreted. Yeah, and that's it.
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That's that's the underlying principle.
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And so to start with the beginning, because it's such a
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long thing, like I said, it just that's what needs to be studied
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in order. You need to start at the
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beginning and go paper by paper. I really, truly believe that.
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And I also believe there's a cyclical nature to it.
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So I believe not only do you need to go to the beginning, but
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once you get, you can't. You don't eat, you can't even
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understand the forward all the way unless you've read the whole
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book. Yeah, that's true.
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A lot of people have that. You can't.
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Comprehend the forward. Unless you've read the whole
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entire book already. So think about that for a
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second. You have to read it all in
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paper. Then you have to read it all in
26:37
order, and you have to read it again and again and again to
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really comprehend it. There's a cyclical nature to it
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in the order and it's intentional and I want to
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preserve that. I I believe that people deserve
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to have it unfiltered. It's their choice.
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They can do whatever they want. You can start whatever paper you
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want. I'm not trying to tell people
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what they should do, but the what I want to do is offer
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people the opportunity to do it and what I believe is the
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intended way. That's it so.
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Once again, the 5th, 5th epical films.com. 5th epical films.com
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and the the man behind this project is Ryan Herring and he's
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with us today and his work is good.
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I I've seen from what little I can see.
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I mean do you have you have any directors that that you
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particularly like that you sort of are your mentors?
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Oh, sure. I mean, I, I I I like a lot.
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A lot of contemporary work that's out there, you know,
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really what I what I like nowadays, I'm really into his
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long series television, you know, because it's just so for
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for me nowadays when I watch a film, it's just so unsatisfying
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because it's so short, you know, you can't really tell a story in
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90 minutes, you know, or even 2 hours.
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It's just it's hard. I mean you can, you can tell
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there are some good. Well, I'm not saying they're not
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good films, but there's just so much more depth and and you
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know, character development, all that story development in long
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format series. So that's really what I like.
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I like the long format dramatic series, so I like a lot of the
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big sci-fi series that are out there.
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So what was when we watched recently Silo on Apple TV?
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That was pretty good. Yeah, my son Tom told me about
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that one. I'm going to check that out.
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Well, listen, I, I appreciate you coming by and I hope to have
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you on again and we can continue to follow your progress.
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Yeah, to talk. About what I'm doing and rant
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and ready for a few, So no, it's.
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Good. You know what?
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Yeah, we're all working to move that boulder uphill, you know,
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so really wanted. To take a shout out personally,
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just did like again, like to everybody's doing work,
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everybody's work on all fronts, Everybody's doing a video work,
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you know, large or small. Now, Gary, David, of course the
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big names everyone knows about, but also anybody's out there.
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You know, there's a lot of people with small channels
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making videos, making blogs, writing and putting good
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information out there, encouraging people and just
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drawing people towards it. So I think that all that work is
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great and super beneficial. And I just really want to
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clarify what you know what it is that I'm trying to do because it
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is different I think from from what people assume when they
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when they look at it face value because it's sort of outside the
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box a little. Bit again 5th Epical films.com
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to find out more. Want to thank Ryan Herring for
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joining me on the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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Coming up next, we'll delve into papers 70 and 71 in the state of
29:32
our government from the viewpoint of the revelators.
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And if you want to reach me on any topic or question you have
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about this podcast or about the Urantia Book, best way is by
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e-mail urantiabookradio@gmail.com
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urantiabookradio@gmail.com. Thanks again for stopping by and
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we'll see you again soon. God bless.