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Sooners On SI Podcast 387: Breaking Down Florida, Ole Miss, OU Regents and More · The Sooners On SI Podcast

• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's up Sunni Nation, welcome to the Sunni's on S.I.Fodcast.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know me, I'm John Hoover.
• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: That guy's Carson Field, that's Brian Ager.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Ryan Chapman as unfortunately under the weather today after his victory.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: He needs a little less.
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We guys, that's just another one of the 4,000 or so reasons that I always say hashtag just drive.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what you're going to get?
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you stuck it, with 200 other people in a pressurized tube at 30,000 feet, so you get old school podcasting this week, give me as the host, but you'll also give the guys a course and feel the right neighbors, and I would hope that canceled me out.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was what's up.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not much, not much glad to be talking to the ball, obviously hoping Ryan can get better sooner than later, but yeah, I think you're right, germs spread like crazy in planes, I myself, I'm a fly guy too.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or drive guys, excuse me.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Love to hear it.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this though, when you're in a stadium with 80,000 or so people, it's not like there aren't plenty of other vectors to come down with an illness, but hope Ryan gets better quick.
• 1:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it seems like he's in the right direction.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sounds like he's on the mend.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Thursday, so he's had a few days down, but these are the two guys you need to talk to anyway this week.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've been deep in all your sooner's coverage for the week, starting with that game
• 1:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: as we all know by now you're not allowed to have a two-game streak of any kind guys it's win one lose one win one lose one all season long that's weird and I know oh you fan's hate it but it's just weird but it can only mean one thing that is put your mortgage put your car loan put your kids college fund maybe your grandkids college fund put your laundry money everything you got on Ole Miss this week to win in Norman am I on the
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That would be the predictable thing they lose to an Ole Miss team that should on paper be really good, obviously they've struggled a bit lately, they play in and next week they've had a down year like OU has and then they end with a Missouri team that's better than a lot of people think so I mean if you're just playing these games on paper it certainly looks like it could be that strict to the end of the year, but
• 2:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: with this team who knows what to expect.
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't surprise me if oh you wins all three loses all three.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Somehow beats Ole Miss and loses to a bad A&M team.
• 2:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can tell me any scenario of the next three games and I believe you.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, welcome to the era of parody in college football where nobody knows what the hell is going on in any week or another man.
• 2:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's our way out.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: John, it's chaos.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not parody.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 2:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rebels are a one and a half point favorite, but guys I want to get your thoughts on how oh you played Last Saturday and this one before we dive into Ole Miss.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know the storyline was obvious.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was Jason Whitten breathing new life into the offense But the question is this what evidence did you guys see last week?
• 3:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that would suggest That the offense having literally it's best day of the season in Their first game under a brand new offensive coordinator
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: was not a one-off.
• 3:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: What lasting evidence do you have that Jason Whitton for now is the right guy for the job.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Carson, let's start with you.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is a one-game sample size after all against a not very good Florida defense, but there weren't too many plays for the ballway into harm's way.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And one of those plays where it did was that touchdown to Isaiah Centennial 8 certainly looked on first glance on the broadcast like an interception.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It obviously wasn't.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: that was the touchdown that essentially gave OU the win.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just thought that he did a good job of scripting plays that fit with the version of John material that we have seen throughout this season, not making too many troublesome situations.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And to John material's credit, he looked really comfortable out there.
• 4:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, avoided the really costly bad throws.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: His misses were more
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: The offense isn't going to get him, but the defense isn't going to get them either.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Had some nice plays with his leg.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I just thought it was more than anything.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some really safe football.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that first touchdown to hit and handsome was one of the more pretty plays I've seen from the OU offense in a couple years just how wide open he got because of that scheme.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was beautiful.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Abraham, I want to ask you this.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got the the material side of things right there, oh, you actually ran the football, not with, you know, they didn't go get them come out and get 260 yards rushing, but they seem to be able to run the football when they had to not necessarily when they wanted to, but when they had to that was encouraging to wasn't it.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, at any time you've got a drive that lasts almost 13 minutes, you're running the football, at least somewhat effectively, and yeah, it wouldn't, wouldn't pretty all the time.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't dominant, but it was a whole heck of a lot better than what we've seen for most of the year.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, to,
• 5:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh uh the point of a couple of things I wrote this week, one Michael Fassusi and his bounce back performance after his struggles against South Carolina.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was dominant uh in in that one and helped open up some things uh in in the run game not only for Tory Blaylock and uh Lloyd Avant but also for John Matier to have a bigger part of the run game.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: But to me
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the biggest sign that Oklahoma can sustain this in some ways, and, you know, it remains to be seen, but They have to, or what they did and another thing I wrote about was Pete Golding talking about the difference in OU's offense.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Two weeks ago versus OU's offense last week, and, you know, even looking back at the OU offense he faced last year.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's taking some stuff off the plate of geometry, making his decisions come at the line of scrimmage, pre-snap versus waiting to read as the plate develops.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we've seen so many times this year where geometry has struggled to either pull the trigger quick enough or identify the right read on RPOs.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jason Witton took that away from him in some ways and
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: in a way by taking away responsibility, empower John Beteer to be the best version of himself.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, he still got to prove it week to week, but to me that is maybe one of the most encouraging signs that this thing can continue not necessarily that they're gonna go three and oh, to in the season here, but to at least be a whole lot better offensively and put your team in position to win those games
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great observation Ryan and and I think my my take on that is Why couldn't Ben Arbuckle figure that out?
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, why did he keep loading him pre-preloading him with pre-snap reads and in-game reads and middle of the play reads and if this guy does that be sure and check down or if this guy doesn't do that You're looking at it at this play or this option just if he's not capable of handling it don't
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: load him up with it and that's something that I thought Jason Witton did a very good job was of was simply saying here's your first read if it's not there get away from it.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, add live if you have to, but look for, you know, you just simplified things.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You just shorten the playbook, tighten the playbook and simplify things.
• 7:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that hard.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have to be that hard.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, we remember back to before last season when all of us wrote about, you know, what been our buckle would look like as a play collar.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things he said repeatedly is,
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: that John material was sort of an extension of himself on the field and had was empowered to make these decisions.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I wonder if that sort of box himself in where he felt like, you know, expressing that publicly, he couldn't take back some of those things as John material struggled.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, last year you could understand it with the injury and everything like that, but obviously this year I think that might have been Ben Arbuckle's biggest downfall.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it he couldn't, not that he couldn't go away from John Meteer, but he couldn't change his philosophy, his system, his play calling to match what actually could work with John Meteer, the John Meteer that's out there now versus the John Meteer that he had or thought he had pre-engineering.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's great point too.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quickly, guys, I don't want to short change the defense, the storyline was the offense, but Brent Vanneville's bad defensive day has to fire as offensive coordinator has a 20-minute press conference with a bunch of one-minute answers.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It goes to Florida, has a great day defensively, and a lead day defensively comes back with the win and has a 37-minute press conference or whatever it was.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's back to his four, five, six, seven-minute answers
• 9:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Brent, love the fact, you can tell just by his demeanor on Tuesday, love the fact that his defense went out and kicked butt versus the, you know, the option being what they did the week before he gets South Carolina.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel like the defense kind of maybe represented itself a little better?
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was what we saw last week was much more representative of what an Oklahoma, Brent Reynolds defense should be.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought really the most impressive thing they did was limit a guy like Jade and Bauda who's arguably the best running back in this conference.
• 9:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had a couple of nice runs, but all in all, they did a really good job of limiting him.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the two takeaways, one from Portland, Gillarie, one from Peyton Bowen.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those were both huge plays, especially Gillaries.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like that was a key game-changing play, intercepting them on a fourth and short.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: deep into OU territory, but it was really a collective effort.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought Danny O'Koi played arguably his best gameist in Oklahoma sooner.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the other guys like Jake Krell didn't really show up in the stat sheet but two big quarterback pressures just from top to bottom the defense looked like what it can be what we've seen at times this year.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously this defense at times has sputtered the South Carolina game being one of those.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: early in the year, they had trouble with price.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Underwood, Georgia, of course, gave them some bits at times.
• 10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this defense, when it's playing its best football like it did against Florida, like it did at times against South Carolina, Texas, is really, really good still, just so many good players, so complete.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this defense is best when the starters are playing their best, and of course, when their backups are playing really good football too.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Abraham, what do you think about the secondary was excellent?
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The linebackers were both very good.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not so on the front for last week, not necessarily elite.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Certainly wasn't their best game.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think it was their best game, but I think they did what they needed to do.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Owen Heineke talked about this when he was asked about the secondary play and how well they're playing
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... to be much more aggressive offensively and i think that's uh... leading to some of the like miss tackles and things like that but the the thing is uh... saturday against florida the miss tackle numbers weren't uh... tiny but
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the mistack was that they did have generally would almost immediately, there was another guy there to bring it down.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: These weren't turning into big, long plays, even like they were against South Carolina with what Lenora Sellers was doing.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That to me, I think, was the biggest improvement from week to week.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've got to get more out of the defensive line overall, especially I think those interior guys.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: ton of David Stone and Jayden Jackson just popping out the page on you.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now again, I think they're still doing a lot of what they need to do to funnel things to Hyniki and Kip Lewis and some of those guys in the secondary, especially on Run Support, but they need to be more explosive, more dynamic up front.
• 12:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you certainly like how the defense responded after that disappointing performance against South Carolina.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's switch over to Ole Miss coming to town this week 315 kickoff.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, the rebels are as inconsistent a team as there is in the SEC, that includes Florida, that includes Oklahoma.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: includes all of them.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just been a weird year.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody can beat anybody and anybody gets blown out and anybody has the ability to blow anybody else out.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just weird, almost a 6 and 3 right now, 4 and 3 in the conference.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their offense is good, but it hasn't been like, Trinidad Jambless is definitely going to win the Heisman trophy good.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's probably the best player in the country if not one of the top five.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he hasn't had like the elites, you know, just blow up mind blowingly good Season like he has had in the past at times over stretches.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been very good this year.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been don't give me wrong.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been very good But the Ole Miss offense looks like it can be had a little bit, especially by an OU defense that's really elite Carson your thoughts on OU defense versus Ole Miss offense matchup
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sure to that, Chambliss, like you said, fantastic quarterback, one of the best in the nation.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: This offense, though, without Q1, Lacey hasn't been as effective.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is, like, Jade and Ball, one of the best backs in this conference.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's phenomenal.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gavo, you fit.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe he scored two touchdowns last year in the Rebels win.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Without him, it's been a lot more one-dimensional.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're offensive-blindest struggles, some injuries there.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: In turn of that champ list, I feel for him because you could tell there's so much on his shoulders right now.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of run support, the line's not really supporting him.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: As a result, he's thrown five picks in the last three games.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, had a really rough outing in that blowout loss to Georgia last week, but he's still phenomenal.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is still one that even when he's not getting the support at times, he can just make some otherworldly throws anyone who was at the game last year can attest to that.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: He is a fantastic player, will be playing on Sundays one day, but oh, you look at the defense, how good the past rush can be, how good the secondary has been with the emergence of Corland Hillary being even better this year, Peyton Bowen, being about as consistent as you can be as a safety in this league.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: That does vote well for OU against an Ole Miss offense that
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ole Miss is in the standings.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the SEC standings.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are six, tied per six, then the SEC standings at four and three.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you is three and three, and let's say they were tied per six.
• 15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would be seven, they would be in a three way time for eight.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and if you start stacking, tie breakers and stuff like that, oh, you would be in 10th right now.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's how much separates a four and three team from a three and three team.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: is literally five spots in the rankings, or yeah, the standings, which is just insane, paper.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really is.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, heck, Auburn beat Georgia.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Auburn team that, you know, dang near went out and lost to Arkansas last week, beat Georgia, who I think everybody pretty much thinks is the best team in the country right now.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just been a season like no other that I can remember.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously there's plenty of reasons for that.
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's the margins are so thin in this league.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: From from game to game and from team to team and we're really you know seeing that play out really every week and I think
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that stood out to me looking at the availability report last night is that this was the first time in a long time that Oklahoma had fewer players on the availability report than their opponent.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Ole Miss is a banged up team right now.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Without their top running back, keep on lacy, they're without their top wide receiver.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: First Saturday's game, Trinity at Chambles is on the injured report, but I mean, I think everybody anticipates that he's going to play is probable.
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: But still.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not saying that they're definitely going to go in and win this game or you know, have all miss in and win this game, but you know, there's a lot of signs that are very encouraging about what's going on with Ole Miss right now up front in the running game, the receivers, all of it, they're missing really key pieces and that should be a recipe for Oklahoma's defense to be really successful.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's why I think Ole Miss, that's why Ole Miss is a one and half point favorite not a seven and half point favorite.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because right injuries, I mean, we're going to see Troy Everett probably start for Ole Miss on Saturday.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be cool.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good to see him back on the field in Norman.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: No doubt.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing the SEC has provided is a lot of old home week going all the way back to Gentry Williams and Georgia.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was cool too.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they've been sprinkled in throughout the season, but Carson, I want to break down Oklahoma's offense against Ole Miss's defense.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You look at the Ole Miss defense 79th in the country
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: 177th in first downs, 94th in rushing yards allowed, 97th in passing yards allowed, they're not really good at anything, 104th in total defense, their 88th in turnover margin, sacks allowed, they haven't given up a lot of sacks, but then you turn around on third down, they're 120th in third downs conversions, which for the season, which I sense there might be an opportunity for Jason Witton and John Matthier and those guys to exploit some opportunities.
• 18:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the first game that I've looked at and said, this might be a shootout.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, which is really shocking.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You look at some of these really good players on Ole Misses defense.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will Echoes probably a top 10 pick in the upcoming draft.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some terrain Perkins are really good edge rusher.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: LSU picked apart that defense a little bit.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Brock guys like.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Prince will, don't, not even gonna try to say his last name.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Prince will TJ Dobbery, it's a really good player, but still, this Ole Miss defense should be better than it is, especially with Pete Golding being a defensive mind.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was not their strength last year, though, either.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: really struggled to defend the run.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you even exploited that at times last year as Xavier Robinson had a huge game had that really long touchdown run.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's going to be something that, oh, you can lean on to the run game, how we've seen that develop the last few weeks.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously with Lloyd O'Bot, finding a little bit of footing to worry Blaylock, if he's good to go, might get some run time.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's somewhere they could exploit and then for material sake, the secondary is vulnerable, not saying that they
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: They should force him to make too many hero throws, but similar to last week, find the things that are kind of lay-ups.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He seems comfortable making those lay-ups, which has not been the case a lot of the year, really since his injury last year.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was able to hit those, and if those come open, which they probably will lean on your tight ends, we don't need running backs for check-downs.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think this offense could maybe get get somewhere close to 30 points, which has not happened for this offense in a very long time.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hey, but when I this surprise me a little bit in the game notes Ole Miss is the only SEC program Oklahoma's played at least three times and has never beaten go back to the 99 independence ball Bob Stoops is first bowl game.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost that one.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They lost two years ago in Oxford and they lost last year and Norman rebels were back in Norman this year because of the added ninth game for the SEC schedule.
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's kind of a surprise that Ole Miss who has never been good is the only, I mean, just until recently with Lane Kiffin is the only school that OU has never beaten in the SEC other than Georgia on to, but when you say, you know, three, three meetings at least three meetings Ole Miss stands alone, come on, what's up with that?
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, you know, maybe I'm the bad luck charm because I've been at all three of those games.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was in the the Y2 K game.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody remembers for do some callers.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a big game against Oklahoma.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, obviously, the couple of SEC meetings that they've had, but this isn't.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, this, this Ole Miss team is really good and they've got some just phenomenal talent starting with Trinity at Chambers, but this isn't the team like, you know, what we saw last year with Lane Kiffin and where that team sort of took on his personality and the swagger and things like that.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: This team is at least getable for OU.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: The last couple of years, there's been a pretty wide margin between the two, even if the scores weren't necessarily indicative of that.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you think two years ago, the first Joe John Finley game call in plays and the first half bump, they were able to take a lead in a half time and then just couldn't get anything going.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: after halftime.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll it'll be a fun one, but it's certainly again like OU's chances of at least keeping this thing close deep in the game because of what we saw with them on offense last week and also just the fact that
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they can run the football enough to stretch out drives.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't expect another 13 minute one, but when you can shrink the game against a team with an offense like old misses, you feel like you're winning.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially with a new offensive coordinator and a quarterback whose confidence was previous shattered and receivers who were not making plays and now they're making plays.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you get all those guys involved and everybody's playing at a high level, yeah, you can see what happens.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they did it last week.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see if they can do it again this week.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk regents meeting though.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: My gosh, Abraham, you cover the regents meeting for us on Tuesday.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh, chairman Rick Nagel started the thing by saying, uh, I will usually talk about sports here, um, but I want to say this, Brent Venables is not on the hot seat.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He came back later and said, uh, we've got the right team.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got the right coach and the right team to build an incredibly successful program around four years to come Joe Harris.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The president said basically is the same thing.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know we have the right coach.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love where it's going.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: at Florida at Florida okay so you're going to take it one of the most inconsistent teams in the SEC Florida in the middle of the most parody written season that we've ever seen and you're going to say yeah but he came back and beat Florida so we're going to we're going to double down they're doubling down on in the close Rajadini they all did they all double down on
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Later in the week, a couple days later, our Brady Trump wrote a really well, I thought, well, structured column that was very well received by the fanbase.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's great that everybody's given Brent Vettables their vote of confidence.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in doing so, they're turning their backs on the actual standard at OU, guys, your thoughts.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll start with that if that's all right, you know, I don't know that I'm quite feel exactly the same way as Brady, but I do think that
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: The realities are changing around college athletics.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody is denying that.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: That is what Joe Harris leans on heavily when he talks about his faith in Brent Metables.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the landscape right now is one that they're not playing at the same level as a lot of other teams.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's better than it was late in the Lincoln Riley area when there was a massive gap.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... but uh... the culture building stuff and and stuff is great and i i get that the the point that joe heres rager diny and rickmegle were all making uh... but you've also got to play in the reality of now and not bet on i think there'll be a structure for uh... a better structure for college athletics at some point
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, given what happened in the election, the protect college sports act is very likely dead, which is going to extend that thing even more.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the worry you get is if you fall too far behind, playing the game, that you think has come in in the future,
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: and you're not going to be able to catch up when that change happens.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you've got to play in the reality of what we're living in now, a little bit better in order to set yourself up for success when those changes do come.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Carson, your thoughts?
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The weirdest part to me is that it was unprompted that he felt the need to say that before anything else.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anybody was going to ask about Brett Vinnables' security.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously everyone knows the extension that he got at the beginning of this season.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that he should necessarily be on the hot sea heading into this off season, but I think that the leash might have to be short heading in the next year just looking at the inconsistency.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Consistency is not a word that I would use to describe Brett Vinnables' tenure as the Oklahoma Head Coach.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously last season was great.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd consider that as season up to the standard in the modern land, scape of football.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's harder to win than Oklahoma now than it was 20 years ago.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's no denying that.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there should be a standard of success.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is still one of the most historic programs in college football.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is one that still has a great abundance of resources.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Money even though within might not have a
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: the oil money, the Nike money that Oregon has, stuff like that.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are still a well off school that earned a place in the SEC.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The standard should be higher than going six and seven every other season.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I understand the outcry from the fans hearing that I certainly do.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was a little weird to say that unprompted more than anything else.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought that was weird too.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: The standard is the standard at Oklahoma.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Brent Vettable says all the time.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's painted on the walls in the meeting rooms and the coach's offices.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Brent Vettables, I wrote about that a couple weeks ago, but Brent Vettables ain't living up to that standard not by a long shot.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to praise him for, to praise him specifically for eight, he had a tough week.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: he had to fire his offensive coordinator.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a mess that he made.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course he had to clean it up.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a mess that he made.
• 27:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you do when you make a mess.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to clean up your own mess just like Central Trail.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a difficult decision.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You made the decision difficult because you hired the wrong guy.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and you know, I'm not sitting here jumping on top of Brent for anything that he hasn't said himself.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said, I hired the wrong guy.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: He fired the second offensive coordinator.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he hired the wrong guy.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're guy with the mop is running right you're praising the guy with the mop for going around cleaning up all the mess guess what he's the one it made those misses so just Just to thought there before we get on to basketball
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong there.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: This lands on Brent Vennables' feet, but I think the thing like we talked about last week, he's not getting a third chance, or he's not getting another chance beyond this one to hire an offensive coordinator.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: The next big coaching search, barring somebody leaving for a better job is finding a head coach.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... so uh... preventables has to get this one right whether that's Jason Whitton or whether that's somebody from outside the program but uh... you know there's only so many uh... mobs and buckets that you uh... get issued to you before they start uh... telling you you got to bring your own or we're gonna bring someone else in who can keep it clean yeah
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, let's hope get on to Hoops.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Carson, oh, you followed up.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's historic loss to East Texas A&M College of Dentistry and Quilting, I guess, by beating Mississippi Valley State, which will always be known, no matter what they do, as Jerry Rice is on the motor.
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they also beat North Alabama.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They play a game Friday against FDU.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had to look it up.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: In this case, FDU is short for family.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: They can send university out of New Jersey.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Campbell camels are coming to town next week, Carson, let's just ask it this way.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have we learned anything about Porter Moser's buckle up at this point?
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've learned that there is a lot that they need to clean up more than any of the last several years anyway.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's saying something, because this team out of the gates has not been great in any of the last few seasons.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But more so this year, they're not making free throws.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're turning the ball over too often.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're doing a lot of things that don't lead to winning basketball.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're getting bullied by teams that are smaller and less athletic in the paint.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That can't happen if you want to win any games in SEC play.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is the SEC's better than it's ever been at basketball from top to bottom.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have your usual candidates like your Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, who are really good.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have school-cycle Missouri, Texas, Texas, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt, but really don't prioritize basketball that are all that's sudden, really good.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you have, oh you, just looks like they could lose to just about anybody on a given night.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they've won the last two games against Mississippi Valley State and North Alabama, but they haven't been pretty.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mississippi Valley State is probably the worst team that plays
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ken Palm has then dead last at 365.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that game was a 10 point game with about 16 minutes left.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a winning success.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's not a winning formula.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: North Alabama was a 1 point game at halftime.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Granted, the first few minutes of the second half were really good.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They started making their threes.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They got some nice down low buckets, but overall that was not a pretty effort.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Either.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this team has tons to clean up.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: The good news is they play a lot of teams that they
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: be pretty handy before playing pit and Purdue who also want amazing teams this year.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they have opportunities to clean this up before it gets harder.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You get games against Oklahoma State and Arizona State and Syracuse later in the non-conference site.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Those should be much tougher than what we've seen so far.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So before they get into the meat of this schedule, they have a lot but they need to work on Porter Moser's got to just
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hold in on some of the basics, I feel like, like I said, free throws, ball control, and I think part of it can be traced to how many new faces there are eligibility cases.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: BJ Edwards, of course, didn't know that he was going to be good to go until like a week before the first game, Duke Brennan's similar situation.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you can use that as kind of an excuse, but it shouldn't excuse losing to a team like East Texas A&M or even letting teams like North Alabama have a chance.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So things get better on that side of things.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: a couple of quick things.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: One, Carson, you sort of touched on it there, but you said that the teams come and up or teams that they should be, well, they shouldn't be these text saying them, and that didn't happen.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: But how about this, also, against Mississippi Valley State, oh, you tied a program record with 43 point tries.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... didn't make a ton of them uh... and then uh... to go out the other day and set a program record break that tie with forty three uh... you know shooting forty plus three pointers again is not gonna get you many places when you're making thirty percent of them unless you're creating a crazy amount of turnovers and they're not
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that is certainly concerning for this team.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they got to get to bring and go and get certainly more looks on the interior in order to even feel like they've got a chance and a lot of these SEC games.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, sorry, no doubt about it.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think getting Tay Davis would certainly have one more guy to the front court, because that's an area that's been lacking.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Duke Brennan, he was really good at filling over last year.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's not been great since joining the team, which maybe used to be expected.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some rust obviously coming into a new program late.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't with the team during the summer, but he's got to be better.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was one of their high bill guys.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the big gifts that they got from the portal,
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Abraham, you've got it easy a little bit in that you covered the women's basketball team.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jenny Baruchic, here's to have a squad again.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're three and they look really good in the early stages.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: They'd be a number 12 North Carolina, then they'd be a couple of pups.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: On Friday, they host or are you in the annual field day game, bring your headphones and your earplugs and your sound dampeners and noise castlers and anything else.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's the upside for, oh, use women this season, right?
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they've got a chance to be really, really good.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, it depends on, you know, in large part with Alia Chavez and how she progresses.
• 34:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we've only seen her once.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was really an up and down performance against North Carolina.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Got in Faltrable early and then had a really good second half.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: uh... when she broke out of that felt trouble lily bell has been really good overall but she's gonna go through the waves that we saw lia chavez go through last year that happens uh... when you're a freshman uh... but i i think not having a lia chavez these last two games could wind up being a a net positive uh... for this team obviously need her back uh... when s c c play rolls around i don't anticipate it'll be nearly that long
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's going through some concussion protocol stuff right now, but you've seen Lealey Belgett putting it into some situations that she would normally be put in.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You've seen Kaya Smith have to start games and you know, the first game in the starting lineup, sorry, was a little bit rough?
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the other day, she was really good in the starting line up.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brooklyn Stewart had her best game as a sooner.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's really adapted well to the starting role with her and Lily Bell on the interior.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, because I aloftened, just completely lost her name for a second, because I aloftened has gotten an opportunity to be the primary ball handler with the starters, and I think we saw last game the progress in her in that dimension.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think this not having Chavez can be a positive by the time it gets spun all around, but they're certainly looking really good,
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: pretty tough matchups here looming after this home stand-ins.
• 36:07
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• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to get well soon, sir.
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