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Ep. 127: Grays Harbor · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You
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  Speaker 1: can't predict anything. The first thing to bring up this
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  Speaker 1: nice just flag this as interesting, is that this is trivia.
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  Speaker 1: This is trivia for listeners. Uh, what do you call
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  Speaker 1: Let let's say you're reading a hardcover book, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: you peel off the dust jacket. What do you call
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  Speaker 1: the cover of the book that is under the dust jacket.
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  Speaker 1: As much as I've dealt in books for a good
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  Speaker 1: portion of my life, I did not know that that
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  Speaker 1: is called the case. So whatever is un to there,
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  Speaker 1: which is usually nothing, is the case design. Not to
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  Speaker 1: be confused case sing for sausages. When someone said the
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  Speaker 1: design for the bookcase, I thought they meant when you
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  Speaker 1: buy a box of books, the book that came in
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  Speaker 1: the box that came in. That's not true. Secondly, I
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  Speaker 1: just learned Jimmy Doran told me last night that and
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. Jimmy Dorn baseball players are
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  Speaker 1: infinitely smarter than football players and much better paid. Guy.
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  Speaker 1: They have guaranteed money and smarter. I didn't say that
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  Speaker 1: they were smarter. That's not a quote. I think he
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  Speaker 1: might be embellishing just a tad. Well, you laid out
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  Speaker 1: that they did a much better job, that they don't
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  Speaker 1: bang their heads as much and stay sustain significantly less
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  Speaker 1: injuries bang their heads as much, and that they just
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  Speaker 1: sort of have over the years negotiated like baseball players
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  Speaker 1: collectively have negotiated better. Yes, the Baseball Players Union has
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  Speaker 1: done a uh well, in my opinion, a better job
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  Speaker 1: than the NFL Players Association making sure that they get paid.
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  Speaker 1: H you have you have been on the show enough
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  Speaker 1: to kind of know the sort of mug or the
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  Speaker 1: sort of lady who listens to the show. What percentage
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  Speaker 1: of those mugs and ladies do you feel have seen
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  Speaker 1: the video you showed me of the guy hitting the
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  Speaker 1: morning dove with the baseball with a fastball? How many
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  Speaker 1: women do you think have seen the picture or the
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  Speaker 1: video of Randy Johnson hitting a dove with a fastball.
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  Speaker 1: I would say it's pretty low if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: this video. If you type in if you type in
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  Speaker 1: the word Randy, it auto fiels the fourth the word
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  Speaker 1: Randy alone. When I entered Randy into my phone, the
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  Speaker 1: fourth down auto phil is what's his name again? Randy
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  Speaker 1: Johnson is Randy Johnson hits bird with baseball or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Dove is I've never seen anthing like Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was very unfortunate event for the dove. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean yeah, I like mourned. That's
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  Speaker 1: a pawn. Do you get the PUNTI mourned for the dove.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get it. So never seen anthing like. Never
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  Speaker 1: I mean a puff of feathers exploding and done. Uh
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  Speaker 1: so Jimmy Doran's here then, uh Janice Poodles. Uh. We
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  Speaker 1: also learned some Washington state driver's license trivia. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't catch all that though, but yeah, fill people in
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  Speaker 1: oh Tony like really got the You were right there
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  Speaker 1: for that, were you? She was really checked out at
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  Speaker 1: that moment. What's the name of the hotel? It was Westport,
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  Speaker 1: the Chateau Westport. The woman working the counter is really
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  Speaker 1: checked out on driver driver's license trivia. She's got two masters.
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  Speaker 1: Well one, Now, your driver's license isn't horridor. Your driver's
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  Speaker 1: license is printed vertically if you're under twenty one, which
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of. You didn't know that, No, I
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  Speaker 1: you know how you can drink in Canada? When you're eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: I drank a Canada or they changed it didn't used
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  Speaker 1: to be eighteen, whatever it was, I drank. They're out
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  Speaker 1: of fake. I D long ago. I feel like all
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  Speaker 1: of us going up in Michigan did that go to
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  Speaker 1: Canada right across the board. But no, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: they changed the way his friend did you guys? Is
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  Speaker 1: there any other significant tidbits from that little lecture she
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  Speaker 1: gave us on design layout of driver's licenses. What I
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  Speaker 1: likes something about the numbers right and the Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: how they tell if it's a fake. I D and
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the formula of the
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  Speaker 1: numbers and the letters. But something adds up to I
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  Speaker 1: think it's your birthdate, like like the two two two
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  Speaker 1: and my driver's license number adds up to you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what, something like that you're you were
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  Speaker 1: born plus the two numbers after the letters there you
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  Speaker 1: go on your driver's license number. Total hunt that's it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's it. Yeah, Yeah, that's two to two right,
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  Speaker 1: So if you try to there was some other like
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  Speaker 1: doctor a license I don't remember, or doctor your own license.
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  Speaker 1: I learned that like when I was sixteen or something.
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  Speaker 1: I took a paper I d the day I got it. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: my mom drove me home from the driver's license office
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  Speaker 1: and I went up to my room and was immediately
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  Speaker 1: there with the eraser and a pencil. I was born
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  Speaker 1: in v so I turned that eight into a three.
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  Speaker 1: And then that day I went to a beer store
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  Speaker 1: about forty for all my boys solid work, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rock girl. There's always someone always had some darrel looked uncle.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like someone is always like, oh, so, you
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  Speaker 1: know Billy's uncle, right, and that would be the guy
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  Speaker 1: that would go buy people go by beer people's I
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  Speaker 1: was something like darrel. Like the uncle lived out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: lived in some storage shed behind their parents house. You know,
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  Speaker 1: football player, he was great in high school. They're there.
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  Speaker 1: Like about the lady that checked us in at the
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  Speaker 1: Chateau Westport is that she asked Johanna's his name and
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  Speaker 1: I Joanna said Joannae, and I said it's Janice. And
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  Speaker 1: she looks at him and goes, okay, Jannie. She wasn't
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  Speaker 1: buying it. She thought she thought he was lying. She
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  Speaker 1: had already read it, you know, as that was burned,
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  Speaker 1: The j was burned into her mind. She couldn't. Don't
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  Speaker 1: tell me what your name is. I know this young man.
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  Speaker 1: Next you'll tell me what you and then Tony COLAGROSSI
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  Speaker 1: has never been on the program before first Timer. We
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  Speaker 1: know each other mostly probably Mark Boordman, Cody Courdy, Louhan. Yeah, Mark, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: Brian actually introduced us, but Mark and Cody. I was
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  Speaker 1: still living. I was living in I was like struggling
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  Speaker 1: with Trick and ols is living in temporary housing when
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  Speaker 1: we met. Was that right right after that? Right when
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  Speaker 1: you moved here? Yeah, introduced you to Razor Clamming. I
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  Speaker 1: don't because the where we're sitting at right now is
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  Speaker 1: um would you say, like the Southern Olympic Peninsula. It's
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  Speaker 1: not even the peninsula southern Washington coast. You guys don't
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  Speaker 1: compass the peninsula. Really, what do you come be in
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  Speaker 1: the peninsula once you get up past like a huge
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  Speaker 1: township canal? Right, like this is mainland, so you gotta
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  Speaker 1: get up past people? Oh really see, Okay, from the
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  Speaker 1: I've been getting that wrong for long, So say I
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  Speaker 1: would say that like the from the from north, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like from the anglers and hunters like to use the
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  Speaker 1: terms the rivers that drain off of the Olympics from
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  Speaker 1: that point northward would be those are the limp those
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  Speaker 1: are that's the olympos so you have been making would
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  Speaker 1: be the south one. This would be known as like
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  Speaker 1: Gray's Harbor, South Coast. Yeah, yeah, Grey's Harbor County. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been making like a total fool of myself for
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  Speaker 1: the three years that I lived in Seattle. Which are
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  Speaker 1: which which are coming to a close? I've been saying,
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  Speaker 1: like out on the peninsula, but I'm not on the peninsula.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's been laughing at me. If you're saying you're going
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  Speaker 1: out razor climbing on the peninsula, they think I'm breaking
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  Speaker 1: laws even up by clay Lock or mo CROs or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, And that would be kind of clay
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  Speaker 1: Locks been open for a few years. I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure it's been closed for a long time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, the first time, so you're in the Gray
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  Speaker 1: area in Grays Harbor, Grays Harbor, The first time I
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  Speaker 1: ever came out here was you know what, that's not true, man,
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  Speaker 1: because when I lived in Western Montana, we used to
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  Speaker 1: come out on a Friday. We used to drive out
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  Speaker 1: on a Friday, just to go drinking in town. Wake
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  Speaker 1: up Saturday morning, go out to dig steamers and shock
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  Speaker 1: oysters and maybe catch some flatfish from the beach. And
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  Speaker 1: then on Sunday, wake up and drive back to western
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  Speaker 1: Montana and like Canal though, and I was back in
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  Speaker 1: the area when we just drive places for really no reason,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of like wanderlust man just insane. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Olympic Peninsula. Yes, you go back home with like six
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  Speaker 1: oysters in a sack on ice. Dat him. We'd eat
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  Speaker 1: him on the camp on the beach to eat the oysters.
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  Speaker 1: The western side of Hood Canal. Yeah, and in that
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  Speaker 1: area Hood Canal was that the rules. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they've changed. You you had to shock them on
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  Speaker 1: the beach because the oysters, you know, there's ten more
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  Speaker 1: stuck to his shell. It's like picking mushrooms. You'd leave
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  Speaker 1: the spore. Basically, Yes, we'd go dig Manila's or you
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  Speaker 1: know steamers. We'd go dig steamers, and then we would
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  Speaker 1: go out and shock oysters off the beach. And then
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  Speaker 1: now and then we'd flick out catch some little sand
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  Speaker 1: d abs or you know, some sort of flatfish. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and then we we'd uh crab either setting pots out
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  Speaker 1: of a little teeny uh out of a little teeny canoe,
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  Speaker 1: or we would just throw them off piers and whatnot
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  Speaker 1: a ring get rock crabs and Dungee's crank right ring
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  Speaker 1: with rings which crabbing used to be epic on the
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  Speaker 1: canal and it's pretty much non existing. We do it
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  Speaker 1: right in town too, man, We do right. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: you people have anymore? Really is a Northern Hood canal
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  Speaker 1: across from day Bob Bay, Southern I don't know about.
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  Speaker 1: It was warmed up, didn't warm too hot that period.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff happens in that canal. That's an odd place. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta introduce Tommy Edson, not to be confused with
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Edison. That's me, Tommy Edson. We met because when
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  Speaker 1: you honest, the long period of time, when you honest
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't make me my perch flies just I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like air old grievances. Um he I asked him for.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was eighteen months to take three or
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  Speaker 1: four minutes out of his day, you know, and he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. And I remember, in fact, and I
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  Speaker 1: think she was on the subject. Uh still hasn't got
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  Speaker 1: your flies, you know, Broti made some and Tommy Edson
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  Speaker 1: made me some. That's how I met Tommy. We have
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  Speaker 1: usually think you were a man of such a steel
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  Speaker 1: trap memory, but it seems like it's been failing. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: busted him out during a podcast. Oh you're right. I'm sorry, Greg.
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  Speaker 1: I think so much emotional damage had been done. But
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  Speaker 1: then it was like it was like a small come
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  Speaker 1: up and so I'm sorry to make it, but Tommy
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  Speaker 1: made them for me, and we want to have a
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  Speaker 1: mutual acquaintances in the fishing world. Yeah, the guys from
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  Speaker 1: the Old Northwest Wild Country Show Joel bill Um and
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  Speaker 1: we have fished surf perch, cropp ease, yellow perch, picked
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  Speaker 1: up a couple from and bullfrogs together. Oh, but to
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  Speaker 1: return here. So the first time I came out here
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  Speaker 1: as a as a responsible grown up was to come
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  Speaker 1: out for razor claiming. And that makes you Razor claiming
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  Speaker 1: makes you like proud to be an American man because
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  Speaker 1: the huge variety of individuals. The only thing that all
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  Speaker 1: those people that dig clams on a clam tied have
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  Speaker 1: in common is that they like there are like it's
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  Speaker 1: so many people from so many walks of life and
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  Speaker 1: out so like such a like vast disparities of outdoor experience,
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  Speaker 1: and they're bound by wanting to dig clams in the
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  Speaker 1: coast out here. When you go out to the coast here,
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  Speaker 1: it's like you look left and it's just the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: and you look right and it's the same thing. To
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  Speaker 1: infinity on either side, speckled with the same concentration of individuals,
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  Speaker 1: and the and the beach is so gradual that you
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  Speaker 1: can't there's no pitch to it, you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: the tides out up but up at like you know,
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  Speaker 1: more crocks at the flattest beach in the world. And
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  Speaker 1: it's just got the scattering of people of about Like
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  Speaker 1: if you imagine the hotel room, a hotel room probably
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  Speaker 1: have what six seven people in it, right at tideline
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  Speaker 1: to an infinity in one direction and to an infinity
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  Speaker 1: in direction, just people happily digging, digging. Razor claims, just
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  Speaker 1: eyes down looking for the dimples, the dimple, Like, how
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  Speaker 1: would you even explain the dimple? Like I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know how I explained it to you took a photograph,
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  Speaker 1: what what would you be seeing? And talking about what
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  Speaker 1: you'd see if you took a photograph and what you
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  Speaker 1: see in real time if you took a photograph, you
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  Speaker 1: would see that if I took it, I mean, he's
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  Speaker 1: golf because I know you love it a golf ball.
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  Speaker 1: I'm following and dropped it from what jimmy a foot
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  Speaker 1: off foot into this end and then but it's ephemeral. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's yeah. So so you see this little tiny
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  Speaker 1: dimple there, but very in real mud or covered with mud,
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  Speaker 1: and in real time that dimple would be thousand one
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  Speaker 1: moving slightly, it would be filling in slightly, I guess
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  Speaker 1: you say, gets suctioning down the dimple last such a
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  Speaker 1: short amount of time that you can't really you're never
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  Speaker 1: really sure you saw it exactly like it's it's there,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's gone with the with the water. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it would be like like a normal dimple lifespan
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  Speaker 1: with the Yeah, with the water, I'll be like. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the difference of being having a sharp
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  Speaker 1: eye for clams or just me in your average razor clamber,
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  Speaker 1: because there's some that are clearly like there's a clam there,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's some that they don't show nearly as much,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a clam there. So that's where the experience
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  Speaker 1: comes into. Every time he moves, you're tracking out, so
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  Speaker 1: it's sucking. So if you sit there long enough with
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  Speaker 1: a dimple reform and the same clam like, and then
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  Speaker 1: the minute later he moves again and the dimple comes back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then you get to surf washing over
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  Speaker 1: in the sand. And those things are fast. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how they move once they go down,
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  Speaker 1: but I think they don't move, just like in a
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  Speaker 1: vertical colum. They don't they go, and which is why
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  Speaker 1: you crush and you why you want to go in
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  Speaker 1: at an angle. Well, we gotta explain more. So let
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  Speaker 1: me just say this. A razor clam is a big
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  Speaker 1: gass razor clam is not as big as the bill
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  Speaker 1: on a baseball hat. Way smaller, not way smaller. A
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  Speaker 1: big razor clam is if you took a regular bottle
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  Speaker 1: of beer and busted off the neck. Average size about
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  Speaker 1: that about yea big. And it's the kind of clam
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  Speaker 1: that when he closes his shell, it doesn't contain him,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, he's sort of moving beyond his shell
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  Speaker 1: because he's just got a very fragile shell. And when
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  Speaker 1: he closes it up. It's like a thick sandwich, and
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the shells are sort of like the bread, right, and
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  Speaker 1: when you look at the one side and the other side,
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  Speaker 1: he's just in there like he can't even fit in
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  Speaker 1: his shell. He's got a big neck sticking out. The
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  Speaker 1: diggers always out and the digger's eyes out. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: the neck kind of like the neck doesn't fit in
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  Speaker 1: there very well either, those diggers, is it, Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: always out they like uh, they like they don't like uh.
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  Speaker 1: They're not in gravel. They're in like just fine fine sand.
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  Speaker 1: You know you call it sand sand. It's like like
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  Speaker 1: a yeah, like a tropical beach sand, like what you
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  Speaker 1: would want to walk on in that stuff. And they
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  Speaker 1: hang out around in in the littoral zone. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: know that word. I do not. It's where this like
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  Speaker 1: the sea meats of land, like the where the wave
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  Speaker 1: action plays out, the littoral zone. They hang out in
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  Speaker 1: there and you sort of follow the tide out and
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  Speaker 1: you got a clam gun or a clam shovel, and
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  Speaker 1: you study the ground for these ephemeral little dimples at
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  Speaker 1: form and vanish stick a clam gun, and a clamgun
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  Speaker 1: is like a what do you think what's the diameter
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  Speaker 1: on a clam gun? Are they like five inches? So
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  Speaker 1: five six diameter two with a hand with a t
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  Speaker 1: handle on it, and you jam that thumbits down the
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  Speaker 1: mud right on top of where the dimple. You center
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  Speaker 1: the dimple on the gun and then tip it. And
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  Speaker 1: I've heard both. I've heard tip it towards short and
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  Speaker 1: i've heard tip it towards the ocean. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you tipped towards I think tipping towards shore to not
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  Speaker 1: cut the clam in half with the clam gun, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which happens at all too often, but you're not supposing.
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  Speaker 1: But you gotta keep your busters. Yeah. So then there's
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  Speaker 1: like this little air there's this little air escape hole
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  Speaker 1: and that clamgun. Because then you shove the gun down,
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  Speaker 1: it compresses the air and so or you know, shoves
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  Speaker 1: the air out and you sink it down until it's
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  Speaker 1: buried in the mud. Then you plug the air home
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  Speaker 1: pull out and that pulls the whole slug of mud out.
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  Speaker 1: What your cylinders about what foot and a half two
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  Speaker 1: ft eight you're shoving down. The air needs to escape
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  Speaker 1: the tube, but to make suction you just then plug
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  Speaker 1: it's like a little trigger hole. You plug that little
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  Speaker 1: trigger hole and you pull the whole kitten caboodle up.
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  Speaker 1: You're pulling a course sample out of the ground, taking
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  Speaker 1: sample time half the time. You dump it out and
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  Speaker 1: the clam is not there. And then you jump in
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  Speaker 1: and sink your arm into the up to the armpit
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  Speaker 1: in the hole, or you double punch, like pull up
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  Speaker 1: some inches there, cramped back down in there, and then
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  Speaker 1: you get it good. Then pull them up and you
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  Speaker 1: catch them. Or you jump down and sink your arm
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  Speaker 1: up to the armpit and area is down in there.
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  Speaker 1: Cut your hand on them, cut your hand, pull them up,
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  Speaker 1: and there he is, and you're allowed fifteen And it's
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  Speaker 1: the first fifteen that come out of the ground. They
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: don't want your high grading them, and they don't want
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: your discarding them, but people do anyway, and so pretty
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: soon it's seagulls all over eating busted up razor clams
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and it's a hoot man, and they kind of open
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: it just sporadically, like a weekend here, a day there,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and it's usually the PM, the PM low tide. Yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the PM low tide. Have you done it in the
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: evening with lantern because I take my kids. I've done
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: it in the evening. It's real fun. I feel like
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you'd lose children at night. You have them hold the lantern.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: That's a good chore. Tony. We were out with kids
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and you had your youngest in one of those backpack
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: carriers but not strafed in and you bent over to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: work or clam and the kid come out the carrier.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: She kept trying to reach down out of the carrier
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: tograph the clam. So I don't come over like this,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and she would. She would come out of the backpack
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: trying to reach out to and she came out of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: the carrier right in the surf. Just just there's like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you go out there on the rough day and as
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: his kids washing back and forth, it's hard to get
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: any clams because trying to pull your kids out of
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the surf. You gotta watch him. But then the last
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: clam and we did the last razor clam we did,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: we went out and it was just like zero wind
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and so you weren't plagued by all the waves coming
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: in and wiping all the shows away. You know, it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: was just out and then we were just limited no time.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: But what's funny is my kid. I tell him we'll
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: go count him. So he goes up the beach and
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: dumps them all out, and then all of a sudden,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I see him running around screaming and pannikin because all
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the clams just immediately started going back into the crowd
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell what He's jumping up and down,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: waving his heart and yelled at the box. I realized
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that all our clams are making a break, which totally
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: shocked it. Man, he had no idea what to makeup.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Did you lose anybody? Not that bad? I don't know
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that is. I don't think we Actually we just had
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to let go gram back up there trying to get away.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: We just kind of scooped We scoop them all back out.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But that day it was so good there was no
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: risk of running out of them. Then. Uh. The other
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: activity that I got it out here was hold on,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: what's your normal preparation for those man clam strips? Like
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: classic going to a restaurant and get clamped, but kind
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of like a thinking man's clam strip, not like uh
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: where you know you picture going into restaurant order and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: clam strips and you get down eating them and then
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: there's just like the bottom of the baskets full of
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a bunch of breading clumps, but aren't like that. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: gently dust them. I take all the diggers and fry those.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And then I take the remaining portion of the clam,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: which I don't I don't know what it's called, and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I dice it and I make chowder out of that. Dude,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the things you pull out of those things stomachs is insane.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I've never paid too much attention to it. Well, there's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there's seaworms in there, baby crabs in there. Definitely seen
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: baby crabs. Never seen that. It's been a long time
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: up Like they siphen up some some crazy stuff. Man,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it's not like a normal little steamer. It's just like
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: filter feeding. I mean, they're filt like they are, but
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: they're sucking up stuff. Lots of chunks of seaworm and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: lots of little teeny crabs that that razor clam is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: sucking up, and there's a ton of meat on one.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: They're so good, like the little beech crabs or the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: sand crabs. It's just you know, it's it's a crab
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the size of your pinky nail. They're good hung up
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: in cold smoke too. Yeah, they're good like that. I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: have a Yeah, I have a friend that does that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I've never done it, but I've eaten his and they're delicious.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So what I've done with them is do like a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: thinking man's clam strip, which by that I mean not
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like that crazy Doughey. You in general don't like a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: batter heavy breading. Don't like batter. I like gentle breading.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: My buddy Henry turned me out. He using bisquick work
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like a change. Yeah, we're great, but not like you're
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: not doing an egg wash, just actually quick bisquick. And
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: then it was just yeah, and it was fantastic. You
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: know what, we'll put that out to Henry Miller Fill
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: put that in the show notes. Uh, Tony just sent
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: me a nice picture of us out clam with a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: bunch of kids who are will in five minutes be soaked. Yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the crime to the dumping right before the clamity. Yeah. Um,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: would it work to just drag around a big inner
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: tube with a kid stuck in it? Like, No, it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: just too much surf. That would never work. That would
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: never work. So yeah, I do that. I guess there's
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: like three main things I do. I'll come on and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: clean them all, and you gotta get rid of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: gut on him, because the guts the only part you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: don't eat on him. Really. Then I will put him
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: in a vacuum bag. The ones I'm gonna keep. Just
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: put a bunch of them in a vacuum bag and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: it makes the nicest little flat little pack of the clams.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And I'll freeze them like that, and I have some
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: of my freezer now and then um in vaccine them
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: in there, and then I do them in pasta, so
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like you're like classic Linguini kind of right buttery clam
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: sauce thing. And then my wife likes clam chowder, so
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I will make Manhattan chowder, which is red, New England
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: showder which is white, or a combo that's kind of
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit of both. But I prefer to on
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a clam I caught. I prefer to make the Manhattan
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: showder because it doesn't like hide your clam in a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: white pasty glue. Yeah, I mean, because like you want
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: through all the trouble to dig the things up right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: You want to like you want to look intore and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: be like, well, there's the clams. Yeah. So that's why
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I like like the Red Manhattan showder I enjoy razor
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: clams so much just eating him, like you said, fried
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: in really anyway. But I felt like it was almost
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a waste to make chowder out of him. Yeah, well
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: my wife like chowder. Yeah, no, I do too, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: it's like there's other claims and then take the chew
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and make the cher I never thought of that. That's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a good idea. How do you cold smoke it? What
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: do you mean? You know he doesn't. I'm assuming he
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: brindes them up, but I remember him bringing him out
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on fishing trips and whatnot, and they were just these big, beautiful,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: smoked up razor clams, you know, that were just intact,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you know, not cut up into strips or anything. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: they were nice, man. No, not as strong as an oyster,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, more like they still they retain their flavor,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you know, but there they were good. They were really good. Yeah.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: All the razor clams that have Doug have all been
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: on the same couple of beaches out here. What I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: used to think with the Peninsula and that man hanging
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: out in the Harvard this whole time, Yeah, kind of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go around to my neighbors who I bring
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: clams to coast. I'm gonna go and say, hey, man,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know what. You know how I told you where
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I got those, It's not where I got them. They've
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: probably been driving up and down the Olympic Peninsula looking
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: for a beach and all I can find is the oysters.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I've only been to the one. Is it. I always
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: call it mo Rocks, but I'm sounding Clips Clips. The
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: town is mo Clips, the beach and beach. So when
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you're checking the clam tides, and yeah, you go in
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the rocks. If you type in like like razor clam,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you're going to You're going to Google and type razor
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: clam season or whatever. It just takes you to that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: page or tells you what's coming up, and it'll be
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: like the breakdowns are simple. All the different beaches, the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: days are open. And we went out there one time,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: me and my wife and our three kids came out
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to hit a clam tide and stayed in that Ocean
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Shores hotel. And it's a big place, and I'm telling
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you what, like about two hours for lower tide, every
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: hotel door opens up and people walk out of their
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: hotel rooms and hit Boots to be a cleaning person
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: at that hotel would be hell. Yeah, that wouldn't be
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a party because the amount of mud and sand. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: then everyone goes down and it's like this giant tailgate party.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: That's the kind of tailgate. And I could get involved
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in people sitting around on the tailgates drinking beer is
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: getting ready to or having just dug up clas Like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I said, man, it makes you like really happy to
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: be American to go clam digging, especially if it's like
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it is now and in Washington beaches you can drive
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: on the beach, so it's nice like Oregon tons, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you can't got to pack in. But that's the thing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to make it. That's kind of a that's a good
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: point because like it seems like a low tide that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: waters out there a mile and then you got a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: park in a parking lot or a little roundabout somewheres
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: across the dune, and then you got another mile to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: go with kids, you know, and the kids love it
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: driving up down the beach. Yeah, I love it. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: love it. And your part, Yeah, it's like a Walmart
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: parking lot that never ends. If everyone from the ten
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Walmart's all had to park in the line down the beach.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's the only time I'm glad to see other people
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: out doing what I'm doing normally, like someone else got
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: here first. Yeah, but there it's like, oh yeah, man,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder why that is. You're right, I feel that
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: way too. Well, there's plenty to go around. Yeah, it's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: just so much room. So Jimmy, you go a fair bit.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I've been a few times, but I've only been to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the one beach that I've been mispronouncing now for several years.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: We don't feel too I called it mow Rocks, but
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: it's not mow Rocks. It's so anyways. They're on the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Fishing Game website. It'll it's really pretty clear and easy
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: to navigate and get through, and they tell you when
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it's going to be open. Well, it's the only rag.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: It's the only rag in the world. It's easy. Yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it seemed pretty simple and it's it's very user friendly
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that part of the red. Yeah. If you don't like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to dig raised claims, you can suck it. Man. It's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like it's just like just like the funnest thing in
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the world. Second qualifying questions, Yeah, no, I hate it.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It's a lot anything not gonna be your friends. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he used to go to the beach. Yeah. Then the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: second thing I got into was surf perch. And then
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you're Tommy Edson. You're the first guy met that was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: like really self identified as a surf perch like fish
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: surf perch man. I always have like these guys. For
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the guys that work with like your honest, I would
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: just say my surf perch mentor oh, and they would
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: know who I was talking about. It was just always
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: something to do when you were at the coast, either
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: digging clams or you know, we'd run out to the coast,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: like me and Tony discussed yesterday, we'd run out the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: coast fishing salmon or steelhead and all the rivers are punishable.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: What are we gonna do. We're gonna go catch a boat.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: We're gonna go catch cooler full of the surf perch
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: firs go fish surf perch or that. That's kind of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: what we do. And then I discovered the combo because
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: surf perch open years season fifteen surf perch to day
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and it's they're always there. Yeah, Like I've never had
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: a day where I yesterday was. Yesterday was pretty sucky
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: when I thought it, but I thought it was below par.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It was below part. It was below of what I expected,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't poor by any means. We came out,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: We came out and surf perched on Christmas Eve something
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: like that, No, and I thought that would be no
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: December December, and I thought we'd come out and it
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: would just be like llaciously nasty, which I did too.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: It was cold, I remember that. But walked out there,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that cold, windy and you walk out and it's like
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: the most like unforgiving atmosphere where it's just like pounding surf,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: salt spray cold, and you're like why and what self
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: respecting fish would possibly be and that churning froth and
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you go down there and hook out um gulp saying
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: what gulp sand worm? Or I was I threw some.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I threw some razor clam next that morning, I was saying,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I think razor clams were good with bait like that,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: as you end up getting crabs too, and the crabs
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: will just pick at your stuff because you do pull
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you do crabs. The gulfs work really will. But to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: flick out into that churning, god forsaken froth and fish. Yep, yeah,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that's how the knocking on the door. Yeah, yep. The
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: big ones are just like a little miniature takedown in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: your hand. They just kind of hit it and don't
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you know, they grab it, turn its went away. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: got um the bait. I've only ever used one thing
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: for bait because it stays on you. And I've experienced
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: with all kinds of stuff. What's the bag? Say, what
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: do you mean on a gold sand word? What's the bag? Fishes,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: everything else that wishes, live baits, fishes, all other baits Bayeah, yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they're good and they're durable fishes, all other bait. Well,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: clearly this is the bait for me. You can, you
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: can seriously go spend a very minimal amount of money
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: on bait and tackle and have enough to get through
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the entire day of surf perch fishing. It's not snaggy.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna donate a bunch of gears. No, But
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'll tell you. What does happen
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: is you know, when you're uh squid jigging, I'll lock
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: my line off because like, oh, on your reel yeah,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we'll check this out. So you squid jacken and you
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: lock your line off, and uh so that way, when
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: you open your bail, your squid jake drops too, like
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: inches above the bottom when you're off appier because the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: minute it hits the botmyb're gonna snag. Would I imagine
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to be a carpet of other squid jigs that are
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I think there's one rock and then adventure that rock
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: grows into a carpet of squidg It's just a coral
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: reef of squid, and so you can't touch the bottom.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So I lock all my reels off, especially with my kids.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So you just open the bail and when the line stops,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the line stops where it's supposed to stop, and it's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: safe to start your stroke there. Well, it was squid
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: jigging season, and so I rig everybody up. Um, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: rig everybody up. You know, you have two ounces of lead,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: one ounce of lead on your surf. Perro and me
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: my two brothers kind of spread out, you know, I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: walk one way, they walk their way, and one goes
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: down below, and in no time we're all back up
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: re rigging. Because the minute you fire that, you fired
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: out lead and comes up against that lock off. All
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that stuff just keeps going. And they had to me
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: twice yesterday. Man, I did one cast. Yeah, I did
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: one cast where my my braid was knotted up by
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: my spool re rigged came out into our cast. One
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of those ones where you accidentally were somehow it hooks
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: onto something like close your bail up and sent my
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: rig off into the outer space it arrived in Japan.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I used to do that to a lot of giant
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: nightcrawlers and then my granddad would fuss at me, what
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: do you mean because it would just be out pan fishing,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: you know, and instead of clipping off an inch or
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: two or whatever you need, and you know, on a
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: small like size six hook, I put on like a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: eight ten yeah night color, you know, and as a kid,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: probably didn't weave it on there properly. And then my
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: hook would go about eight feet and that night the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: nightclor lands out on my zone. Yeah. That's a big
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: kid thing. I think too, is like time they cast,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: like it'll land in a while later the mouth that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the worm comes touching down somewhere else with. But the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: ones here are red tail, surf perch tail surf purchase
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and it's funny, man, it's like one of those things
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that enough guys go and if you go look online,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: there's like information, but it's not satisfying to research surf
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: perch fishing online. No. I don't know if that's the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: thing about guys just stayd tight lipped about it because
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: maybe they don't want the company, or it's maybe just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: like lack of interest overall. I don't know, but people
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: should be doing it because I mean, we've all seen
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: how many miles and expanses of beach there are here.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I know that's the like I look at like emails
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that come into us and it's just so many guys
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: just being like dude, there's so many people and this
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: and that and I lost my spot and then no no,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but then there's like certain things to do like fishing
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: surf perch where And I would say that it's not
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: fair to say it's an unexploited resource, and it's not.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's fair to say under exploited resource,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: but it it's just that yeah, right, yes they were
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: served perch fishing, and you know, another guy come out
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and give it a take a couple of pokes. There
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: was there was a few people out there, but it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: just kind of concentrated around three or four other guys
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: out there. I think I saw a total three dudes
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: taking a poke somewhere in the vastness of the beach
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: for some brief period of time. But it's not they're
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: just not getting pounded. And that day when it was
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: really good, and on days out there was really good,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and you just stay in one spot. So you have
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: this beach that goes for you know, miles, miles and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: miles and miles and miles, and you cast out and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: it's like there's no way there's a fish out there.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: And you cast out like there's another one. Do you think, like, man,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: there must be a lot of them. But you can't
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: just take them. You can't just cook them like, um,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: they're not as forgiving as a lot of fish. They're
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a little delicate and they're like you just got to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: take a little more care. Like they don't like you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: can't just fry them up like you can rock fish
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: or cod or anything like that. You can't like carelessly
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: hurl it into a bucket of hot oil and think
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. It's too delicate, and you talk
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: about people like to steam them. Yeah, I did that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of a steamy poach thing. One I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: found the two ways I like to I made the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: mistake one time just sautan them and butter and then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: putting them on pasta with my clam so it's like
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a clam surf perch on pasta and they just fell apart.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And then my kids didn't like it because they're all
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: falling apart. They wanted to pick the fish out, but
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: they couldn't pick the fish up because the fish disintegrated.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Then what I started to do is I would take
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: them and take the flames and brush them and olive
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: oil season them, put him on a on an oil
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: bacon sheet and put them in a four degree of
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and let him sitting there until the edges are starting
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: to crip potato that's in. Take my spats them right off,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: and those sons of guns are good. Or what we
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: did on Christmas Eve, no Christmas dinner last year is
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: scaled him, gutted him, left him a hole, cut scored
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: him like caught a caught a the fishes sitting in
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: horizontal like the way he belongs. Cut three or four
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: vertical gashes in them, fry tholes and peanut oil until
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they're until the fins are just crispy, crisp, crisp, And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: it made like a tide dipping sauce. That sounds that
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was good, and everybody liked that. I bet that was good.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: You end up with all those crispy edges on him, man,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that's good. Then you just pick it for your kids
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and you get to like it. I like anything whole
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: fried like that, especially like surf perch, yellow perch, anything
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: like that. Whole fried. Man, if I can whole fry it,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: usually that's what I'll do because I just love eating
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: them that way. It's like it's something like picking up
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: like a turk legger a drumstick when you get them right.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, granted, some fish are just too big to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: do it, but some of the bone structures too, Dell
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: gills and sun he's and cropp ease and you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: smaller surf perch. They all taste the same, man, you
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: just gotta keep more of them. Yeah, that they do.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But then the only problem is some of them the
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: bones are too. Yeah, Like I remember the writer Ian
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Fraser was explaining to me, Uh, eating row schad, not
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the role, but American shad, eating whole cooked, whole baked shad.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And he equated, uh to trying to fix your watch,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: picking the bones like that level of you know, a
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: watch apart. It was pressure cooked and it was good,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: but it was like any other fish you would put
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: in a pressure cooker, American shad. It would have been
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: cooked for I don't know how long in a pressure cooker.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine goes down and catches lots of them,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: and he loves them. Dude, the eggs out of the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: out of a row shad are unbelievable. I think that's
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: why I call roll right. Yeah. Well McPhee, John McPhee
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: has that book, The Founding Fish, the story. It's the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: traditional way is to just take the whole sack out.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So I've caught in my life three American shad. One
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: happened to be a row chad fighting. One of the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: fighting is fishing out there. This is this in the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Delaware River. And if anyone knows your Revolutionary war history,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but this is far above where we're Washington cross the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Delaware crabbab cha or phenomenal crab baby, oily great crab baby. Yeah,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the book. Mcfee's book, John mcfee's book, The Founding Fish
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: is just sort of like an American history, but about
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that fish, sort of the degree to which people on
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the American coast relied on the shad fishery. And there's
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: things in Daniel Boone's biography even where so Daniel Boone,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: someone came and notified, uh knows Daniel Boone's and this
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: came from Boone's son later told Daniel Boone's son was
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: later interviewed and he was telling a story about his
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: father and mother, and the story was that the shad
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: were running in Pennsylvania when Boone's family was still in Pennsylvania.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm trying to trying to remember how this goes,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: so so I get it right. And they caught baskets full,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: They netted up baskets full of American shad. Had they
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: had so many that one of the kids was dispatched.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I think it was Daniel maybe was dispatched to go
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to a neighbor's and tell the neighbors, come get fish,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: we have so many fish. So he does and comes
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: back and somehow Daniel Boone winds up being asleep by
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: where they're fishing, and the two girls are sent over
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to get fish and they see Boone's sleeping and they
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: dump a bucket of fish guts on Boone's face as
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: a prank, and Boone gets up in cold cocks one
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: of them and they run home to tell on them,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: and the mom comes over to give the what for
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to Boone's mom, and she says, well, you better teach
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: those girls some manners frontier justice. Uh. But the traditional
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: way as you take the you you basically like very
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: gently sawte the fish's egg sack in Bacon, Greece. This
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: how it's done is yeah, Yeah, we've been known to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: go down and catch a bunch of them, just have
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: a bunch of crab bait throughout the summer. American same
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: introduced him out here. There's tons of them in Columbia,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and I remember hearing the history about how they were introduced,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: but I don't want to talk about it because I'll
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: probably get it wrong. But they were. It's a it was, yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: But there's literally millions of them in the Columbia River.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: And you go down an anchor up a boat and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: put back little dick knights and bring lots of snacks
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and kids and like kids really all day. It's just
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a small little shaver spoon. Heard of a dick night?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You've never heard of a dick night? No, I thought
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you were. I thought you were using like a euphemism. No,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: they're called a dick night. It's like we did, oh,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: because we would use just these little little red white
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: jigs like a little Yeah, you can use those. While
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: you look so while you look so unhappy that we're
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: talking about surf perch and and uh American American Chad,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I look unhappy. I'm cool. Really, you're fine, Yeah, anything
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: like that. Any questions to come up? No, I'm tracking
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: so far. Is it just that? Is it just that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: because you just don't have a lot of experience with
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: surf perch, I have none with shad a little bit
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: of surf. Can you tell me what your impressions are
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of surf percha fishing yesterday? I'd like to hear, because
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you've never been before, and there you were there, I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: was standing there in your chest waiters on a lonely beach.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I was thinking earlier how it doesn't seem like how
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: driving all over the beaches messed the beach up at all.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: But there's probably things that happened that you don't see
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: sut or something. But it's like, if you're gonna drive
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: on a beach, that's the beach to do it on.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Things basically made out of concrete. Yeah, although someone's uh
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: sunk right in about five minutes after we got there.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But that that beaches a different. That beach is a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: little teeny different than Morox. Yeah. Yeah, it's when you
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: enter the beach out here, it's pretty soft. I don't
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: think you should be driving your astro van out there.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: They were they were too And if you do, you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: better come in hot and get to the hard stand. Yeah,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: what what other? What was your what? What other things
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you have to add? There? You are? You in your
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: chest laiters probably be an American. Well, you know, it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: always nice to be in a position doing something you've
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: never done before. You know, well, challenge coming out, Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: something you to learn and uh, it wasn't a very
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: good day of fishing though that day it was. It
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: was tough, but you know ended up being fine. You know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: worked out for me because I just started looking around
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: and going all right, what what am I going to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: do differently than we're doing? And try to catch fish
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: and end up finding a little rip current and just thinking, oh,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll fish because everyone gleaning from what everybody
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: else is saying, like a little drop is good, current
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: break is good, and just sort of looking for something different.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I found this little rip and ended up catching six
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: fish out of it. So did you get six? Yeah?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Worked out pretty good. Yeah, I think I let to
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: go and kept four. Surf perch master all he kept
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: one or two all day yesterday. You know, surf perchas
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and razor clams too. I'm thinking earlier. While I like
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: surf perching and raisor clambing, shad fishing, all those things,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it's different from most other things I do, such a
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: steel head fishing or hunting, because you can walk out
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: on the beach and you'll talk to the guy that
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: you see, Like you said, you don't mind seeing people.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: You're like, how you doing. He'll say I caught three
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: and you actually believe them. Yeah, Or you raise your
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: clan and you're like, oh man, i'm loading up here.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I got two limits. You believe them. You're like, this
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: is a good spot, I'm gonna stay here. You go.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Shad fishing people are like there willing to share the
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: information about these fisheries, right, like such as you were
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: willing to share the information with Steve about the star perching.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You go to a boat launch it up on the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Peninsula rivers. You asked somebody about steelhead they caught that day.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: It's been a slow day day. I mean, you don't
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: know what happened, honest answer out of anybody from Hoquium
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to Fork. Yeah, why do you think that is? I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's a lot of it. It's
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: like they want to preserve something that they feel it's
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: more special to them than anyone else or I don't know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and they don't want more. We already got enough people. Yeah,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you know, we don't need any more. People don't talk
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: about it, and it makes me upset and be honest
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: with you, because guys just want to fish, you know.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Guys just want to get out and catch some stuff, man,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you know. And besides, when you talk about a fishery,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: whether it be surf perch, whether it be steelhead on
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the peninsula, if you're going to name a place, it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: kind of a good thing because then it's bringing money
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to it, attention, you know, and those are management keeps
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you know, and and it's there's no ownership for those
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: guys that are fishing those rivers. You know, a lot
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: of people get ticked off when even people come from
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: the west Side, you know, I guess they called the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: east side to the west side to fish these rivers
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: out here and so on. Uh, it's kind of like
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: this territorial thing. And it's unfortunate because I think, you know,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: it's obviously a resource we all have to share, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it's everybody has the same right to it. So people
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: want to keep hush hush to try to keep people
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: away from it. Like it's like it's theirs, like a
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: honey hole, you know. So it's just protecting there. You know.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: They don't want you to think it's good because you'll
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: come back tomorrow. You're gonna bring more, bring more people.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And to like to that point though too, Like you
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: go out to the peninsula in the wintertime when steel
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: head seasons in full swing and look at license plates. Man,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: you'd be surprised how many dudes are from Montana. The
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: guys are out there fishing and want to want to
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: catch a steel a on a two hand and flower Well,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: that's a recent development to which is the guiding operations.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: You know, these guys they go they guide all the
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: trout rivers, uh, all all year long, and then they
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: come over here in the winter and guide. But that's
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: kind of what you doing that though, fishing these rivers
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: out here for Sam and both of you. Yeah, for sure.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: That's another thing that like kind of got me with
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: like another notch in the surf perch belt is like
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't what it was, or it isn't what it
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: once was, you know what I mean with a hey,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: look at me, I got this great big fish. Is
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: what it's become. Like those were like such fond memories.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: It just as a kid going to those almost sad rivers. Yeah, man,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: it almost hurts to see what they've come to. In
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: a sense, you can kind of love it to death.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: And it's like I love it so much that I'll
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: just step away from it because I don't want to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: see it hurt anymore, and I'll go stand on the beach,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I'll go fish cropp ease. I love fishing croppies. You
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: know that. I'm right there with you. I mean, I
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: used to pound these rivers up here, and when I
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: just love going to them. When I'm talking to do
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: how much time have we spent talking to me? Talked
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: about me spending time to fish and steelhead or salmon,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: because I just don't much anymore. That's when I meet people,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: when I when I meet people that know Tony, they
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: always want to tell me about your reputation as the same.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: And steelhead guy spend a lot of time out here,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: but not recently. And it's like him, It's like I
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: don almost just rather step away and just not be
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: one of the crowds and just kind of like, hey,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you guys, enjoy it whatever. And I don't know if
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: that's remember maybe fish you've kind of done it. I
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: don't want to say I've been there, done that like
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: it does, but it's it's like I've caught my I've
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: caught my shirt of steel and I've got some really
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: beautiful fish. Um, I'm happy floating that river. I'm happy
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: floating the wheats and through the rainforest and not catching
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: a single fish. And I will take far fewer fish,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: far fewer fish over beauty. I will take far fewer fish,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: maybe even not even one for a season, and beautiful
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: scenery over crowds and limits. And I really will I'll
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: hike into arguing people are. It gets kind of ridiculous.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: People just yelling at yeah, you know, right through a
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: water whatever. It's like, Man, there's a stump over here,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: there's a long jam over here. I got nowhere else
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to go, you know where I gotta go. You know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's crowds and it's it's uh,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: you know, people being territorial and thinking you should be
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: off the river. Whatever it is, I don't know, it's
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of gotten to a point where it's got
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it's a little ridiculous. Now. It must be something that like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: it must be something that's like a steelhead thing, because
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: it is I went through years of being maybe people
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: feel so lusty for steel him that it brings out
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: the worst of them, because I went through a few
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: years of being really really into fishing steel head in
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, like into it, into it to the
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: point like making hash marks on the roof of my
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: van too mark like comedy got you know what I mean,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Like golf clicker mentality about oh my god, I landed
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: forty two you know in April May or whatever, um
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: like that kind of into it because I had kind
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: of like quit mostly quipped fur trapping and hadn't found
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: something that because when you trapped, you like your trap
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: every day. So when I quit doing that, there's a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: couple of years there. Yeah, I quit doing that. I
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: was twenty two and there was a couple of years
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: there before I moved out west, and uh, you needed
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: something to fill that, like every danis. So I got
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: way into fishing steelhead and I would the only fights
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I've been in. I got in one fight on a
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: river Montana, which I'll tell you about, but all the
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: fights were always like fighting steel with steelhead guys. I remember,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: like it was so like so combative. I remember a
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: guy one time saying, asked me what my name was.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I said, Steve. He goes, well, Steve, I think I
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: hooked your waiters fishing that tight where a guy hooked
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: my waiter on his drift. Yeah, just elabowing people out
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: of the way getting there, because if you're if you're
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: in a spot and you're hooking a couple of steelhead,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: other dudes just are like it just it makes them
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: feel sick. They want in their soul bad. I mean,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: especially if you come in there after them. Yeah, I've
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: seen like people people act that way for pinks, which
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: is which is like, I don't know, maybe, and I'm
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: sure a lot of it's just people that don't catch
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of fish, so they don't understand, like they
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: probably just don't have any appreciation for like quality of
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: it of their fish or their querry or whatever it
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: may be. But they I mean, I've seen scenarios where
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: you'll be lined up on a river and then people
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: are hooking waiters. You'll be waited out in the water
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: knee deep and say your twenty ft from let's say
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: you're twelve feet from the from the rocks, from the gravel,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: from the gravel bar, and somebody standing on the gravel
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: bar casting over the top of you. Yes, I've seen that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: That's another That's just another reason why, man, I just
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: don't just see. Yeah, there's always gonna be those those Uh,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: it's just locations where you know it's an easy access
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: point and you know what you're in for. You know
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: you're in for battle fishing. It's an easy access point.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: It's a place for people to go have a good
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: chance at catching the steelhead if they drawn have a boat.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Not everybody has a boat. Um, you know, in recent
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: years there's just been more and more boats. It's gone
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: from seeing three trailers out of take out to seeing
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty trailers and just leap frogging down rivers
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: and all that. So you know, you're always gonna have
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: a combat fishing, and I just think everybody needs to
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: be yeah, understanding that, Hey, every person on that river
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: has the exact same right to the catching a steelhead
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: as they do, no matter where the heck you're from.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: From Montana, I know, Washington, wherever it is, there there
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: is and but there, but there is the dispute I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: got into. Yeah, I want to hear the Montana story. Yeah,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I was coming up. I was with my old I
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: think I was fishing with my old roommate, j Nichols,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: who wanted becoming a he want like having a whole
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: career in fly fishing magazines and fly fishing publications. We're
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: fishing one of the upper forks of the Bitter Roote
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: and um wade fishing. Picking my way up river, and
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I come to a spot where a where a guide
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: who's doing who's doing a dave float has this little
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: like this, this cute little lunch set up on the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: beach for his sport, for his client, right down to
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: a checkered tablecloth. I've seen that. Yeah, shore launch, nice
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: shore lunch for the client. Yeah, but it's almost like
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: it's a little too it's a little too much. It's
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like it's just like really, really really, that's what this is,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: what has come to in this world. You can't just
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: sit on a rock and eat something sandwich, so chair, tablecloth,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: table every Yeah, I got buddies that runching every single time. Yeah,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: there there gets a barbecue out and make you a burger.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: That he did that, I would have been like a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: cool he's making it on a burger. But it's just
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: like a little cute, see little set up. It sounds
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: like it was a little too cute for you. It's like,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: are you there to fish or not? Right? Right? I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: get that. I can see you sit on a rock,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: stand around, kick rocks, I don't know, eat whatever. That's fine.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I can accept that. But anyhow, it didn't that. That
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: was just an observation I had that I thought was
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a little much. It was a little much. A tablecloth,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: checkered tablecloth. Yeah, I can see why Why did you
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: do that? Did you like it? I guess because you're
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: just you're just trying to impress a little bit. You know,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: you're out there working and I don't know, I guess
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: in the case, it was a slow day, right, at
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: least the lunch will be nice. Report was the table used?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Was it checkered? Yeah? It was green and white. I
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: think I still have it somewhere tucked away for years.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: And tablecloth? What was the spread? Sometimes I'd washed that
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: thing every day in the washing machine, and a lot
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: of along with my No, it's a lot of my
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: clothes at my house. But uh yeah, nothing worse than
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: about our tablecloth that already had catchup mustard. So when
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you're guiding, your guiding for an outfit, but it's up
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to you to do all that stuff. Yeah, I think
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: they had like a base level that they wanted you
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: to follow. You had to have a table in two chairs,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: for sure. It's a very minimum. I think they asked
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: that we had a table cloth. You'd pull over a
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: little roll top table, hopefully under a shade tree, and
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: you put a tablecloth down and he set one out
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: for him, depending on the on the year and who
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: was doing the lunch catering. But it was most of
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: the time. Some sort of sandwich and you know, some hides,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: cookies and soda, pop water, pretty simple, nice macaroni salad
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: maybe in there for you with your sandwich. Didn't matter
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: how cute they were, sounds kind of good man woman,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: didn't matter. It didn't matter. Just just gonna do it
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: as I got. As I got um, I guess more experienced.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: And I had the clients that I took year after year.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: If they weren't into it and they wanted an actually
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes of fishing, because that would buy them, I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: would just pull over underneath the shade tree on and
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: sit in the boat and you know, wolf it down.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Like so you would have clients who would say yeah,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you would say like that's a little much. Yeah, a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: little much. I'd be that guy. Let's just keep fishing. Really,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: but it's like really really, I've said this before that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of clients who used me a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: lot because their wives like fishing me. And there were
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: guys that were like, well, I get to fish more
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: since my wife is into this. I'm gonna use this
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: guy because he's like his trucks tight, you know, lunch
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: is tight, attractive, he's got it like I doesn't have
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: a potty mouth out there. You know, my wife's not
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: always going like jeez, can't believe Mill's talking about that again.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: So I could picture you being like the guy that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: a dude would get because you're gonna be nice to
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: his wife, and then you roll that little tablecloth out.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all right. So what happened was so there
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I was picking my way up river. Oh you guys
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: having a little dip up. I'll get back. I'll get
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: back to my real quick, which I might have talked
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: about the past, But can we talk about this a
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: little bit? Uh, Tony, You've been trying to quit chewing tobacco,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: but then here you are, you running to Tommy. He's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: died in the woold man. I'm a dipper man. Yeah,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I love it. I really like And you started dipping
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: down from exposure to him. No, no, I can't blame
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: it on him. I thank you for not blaming you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: have told me I just quit, I'd be like, no,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you may not have a cheer since February twelve. And
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: on the way out here, I knew it was gonna
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: be a long drive, and I know it's going fishing,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and that's one of those things you just other dippers,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: do you guys case dippers a spoofy kind of joke.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: May not? I mean, I just it's you associated with
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: certain things, right. But I was like, I'm gonna be
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in ther time. What do you guys refer yourself? What
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: is one who likes to like a smoke or everybody
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: knows that. Yeah, I'd be like your self identify as
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: a chew I self identifies trying to tell me about yourself,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: you'd be like mature. I know, not the first thing
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I throw out there, but yeah, so go ahead, Tony.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: So here you are. You know you're on a long
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: drive and it's gonna be chewers pick up. Yeah, And
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I go to the gas I shouldn't fill up And
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I walked inside to grab some snacks and was big
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and it was called my name. Yeah, a lapse self control.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: And I purchased my first candid shoo since February twelve.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Our man Dirt myth uh. We were down in South
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: America and he was trying to quit and he gets
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: home and I asked him how it went, and he
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: said the same thing. You fill up your gas tank.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: You can't buy a gas there it is, and you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: walk into the gas station, I would suggest he just
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: pays with a debit card and buys his groceries elsewhere,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: because the minute he says, I can't go into a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: gas station because when I go up to the counter there,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I am faced with it and it talks to strong definitely,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: because like he said, who goes inside to pay for
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: gas anymore? Well, inside of a gas station? Yeah, okay,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: So if he did, I'm saying from people, you're probably
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: in there public gas and you're like, I know, what's
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: about feet away from through one door one door through?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: It's not Yeah, like the fact that dippers need to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: go in there to buy snacks. It's like you know, yeah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: all you're buying is a container to drink real fast.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: You can spit. Yeah, that's right, because that's right. That's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: why I bought that green that green thing I bought it.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, that's wide mouth, how this thing about? Yeah?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: This crazy? I mean not that I'm gonna if I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: did counter and there it was saying saying, um, that's
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: good point, because it's like guys, cheers, they're trying to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: quit going to the gas stations with single people say
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the bar, you know, like you're going
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: to the bar. Yes, but that's not where you're really
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: looking to get out of this this other thing you're hacing.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: But you you, you, you know, so when you're going
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to get a snack at the gas station. So there
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: I am walking up this fork of the bitter Root,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: and I stolen across this guide. He's got this very
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: romantic little setting going on, and I make the mistake
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: in his eyes of fishing the hole that he's camp
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: that he's having his lunch at lunch hole, but he's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: not fishing it. The dude comes undone, undone, the guy
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: or the client, the guy, the guide in front of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: the client that he's trying to woo with this little
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: setup with a tablecloth. And I come back and take
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of pokes through there, just fishing trout. It's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: not he's like making a living out here selling this
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: meat or something. So fishing trout, and come through, take
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: a couple of pokes. The guy comes undone. We later
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: had a reckoning in Charlie's Barn, Missoula, Montana. Not not
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: at the takeout, you weren't. We had a fight and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: then and and then it was funny because later we
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: wound up kind of drinking the same place I would
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: see him. I've been there, you know, And we later
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: had a reckoning and he had and uh, if I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: remember correctly, I feel that he admitted his wrongness, and
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I might have admitted a little bit of my wrongness
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: for responding in such a strong way to his criticism.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: But I feel I still today feel like if you're
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: if you're eating lunch and not fishing, that you do
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: not have a legitimate claim on the whole. How do
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: you feel about that? You honest? What's the guide's perspective?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: It's kind of dependent on probably on how much pressures
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: on the river, you know. I mean, if it's like
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: a river where you've been waiting for two hours you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen a person, and then you got just you know,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: unlimited water past their boat, that's kind of that's kind
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: of like this. It's like that sounds like the spot.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: You might as well just skip it and kind of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: move on as much for your own personal experiences. That's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: a lot like this. That's a lot like the spot. Actually,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I agree with Yeah, I wasn't the wrong. I think
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I'll always think some I was saying, if it was
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it was like a busy river, then one around around. Yeah,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: I'll probably skip that one, Steve. I think if you're
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: in a boat and you're floating down, you're like, okay,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you're here, we're gonna have lunch, and then we're gonna
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: fish this whole. And if it's trout stream, you know,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you're kind of just letting it rest. Maybe a boat
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: went through, you're letting it rest. If you're gonna have
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: lunch there, like you're kind of claiming that run for
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: a period of time. I think I think at minimum
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: it would have been worth it. Hey do you mind
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: if I fish this round? That's the thing you just
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: gotta Hey can I It's like when you get when
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: you walk up to where you want to fish and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: there's a guy in there? Do you mind if I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: step in? Then you're gonna do you think about that? Jeez?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know you ever been a guide? Never? You
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: guys have all guid I'm definitely not. You never guide
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: a time, No, sir, I probably would have just asked
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: or there's lots of holes I would want them. I
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want an audience. I just keep moving. But that's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: just me. But it didn't contest him causing a scene
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: at the same time, if he wasn't really making me reconsidered,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: because it's like obviously scarred me because I bring it
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: up all the time. It sounds like this is something
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: from way ago ended up my wife. Yet that's how
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: long ago this was. I mean, there's so there there's
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of you. If this was also a place
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: where that you were walking in and then there's a boat,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: that's true. Is that true? I was walking in and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: they had a boat. They were in a boat. So
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: here I'm a lowly walker. That's different too because they
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: have the ability to fish this whole stretch river And
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: you're like, man, I just hiked a mile and a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: half of my leg, Like this is where I was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: planning to, you know, And if that's a well known
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: is where people do hike into, I would never stop
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: there to have much fault as a guy. So it
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: could be yeah, so it could be completely very circumstantial.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: You're cooling all this table class, You got anything to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: add on surf perch because we still need to talk
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: about today, which was lights out, the one of the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: top days of the fishing I've ever experienced my entire
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: life like the most gorgeous day I've ever had on
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the Washington coast. It is concluding thought on surf perch around.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I would do it again. You know, I had so
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: much fun anytime I go back out there right now
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the other time and go make take a few pokes.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you why it's better than the winter
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, this this is why it's This is
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: why I clam digging is nice because it's a winter
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: spring thing. Is when you're out there in the winter,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: this it's like you're out there and you're so happy
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: that there's something going on because it's the time of
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: year when nothing's going on, Like February. If you're a hunting,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: fishing kind of fella, February can be you know, the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: dog days. There's nothing else. It's like you might not
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: be like kicking tons of as season. And so then
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you go out there and it's like, wow, like a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: productive fishery in the winter. But to be there in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the summer, it's still fun. But you're you're sort of like, oh, well,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I could be, I could be. We could also go.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: It's got a different kind of joy in the wintertime too,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: because like you said, it's this desolate, hostile place and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: here's you get this like bright spot of this fresh
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: fish that you're like, oh man, yes, it's like it's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a little bit of a buzz.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: If you like having the place all yourself, that's a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: good thing. That's the best time to you out there.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Your people look at funny and the fishing can be
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: great in the winter. Dude, should be doing it. You know,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: it's bigger one tuch a little bit. All right, now,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you're cool on that because I want to get into
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: the world's greatest day of fishing. It was pretty amazing.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Lights out go along with that something I never do now, yeah,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that I rarely do, but almost want
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: to do more of because of how much you learn,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: which is go out with a go out on a charter,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: go out with a guide. And I'm kind of down
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: on it because it's never like not down on it,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: but it's never as much fun as because you're not
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: solving the problems yourself. And so a lot of what
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: I like about hunting and fishing is solving is the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: problem solving and thinking that goes into it and like
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: the teamwork right, and when you're out with the guy
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: just's kind of like you're not catching the fish. If anything,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: you're just like hindering the operation. Like that they would
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: get you know that everything you're doing, they would do better,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: and they're the brain behind it. And you just stand there,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: you know, with your ye know, your hand, uh, while
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: this person is plotting and figuring and they've gotten the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: bait together, they put the plan together, they know what
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: to do, and you're like staying, oh, do what you do,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: what you do and all those things like all right,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: dropped down, Yeah, and you've done nothing nothing, Yeah, you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: haven't even tied your own stuff on. So when people
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: are kind of like, oh, I caught a blankety blank,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I caught an ex pound blankety blank with
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: a guy, and I'm like, the guy had caught it,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like he'd let you reel it in and everything, but
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like your fish. Yeah. In the world of salmon,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: a steel head and the oarsmen in a in a
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: drift about the oarsman's usually takes, in my opinion, takes
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: credit for most of fish. And he's a guy that's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: putting you on the fish. All he's telling you to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: do is cast over there. The oarsman is a guy
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: exerting the skill. You know. I mean that your thing though,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: with with hiring a guide, what it does, do the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: positives of it if you don't have like if it's
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: not readily accessible, it's great for shortening a learning curve. Yeah.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: And then this case, uh, what's what's the name of that?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Operations and saltwater ch charters, All rivers and saltwater charters.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: The dudes were solid the skipper, and they made it
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: a good day. We only got into what we did,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: yet they only made it a good day. Is that
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: those guys wound up being like dudes out fish with anyway,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: and treated us like dudes, like they were good enough
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: actors or gine. He felt this way, where like the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: interaction was was like everyone on equal footage. Yeah, you know,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: they're like, we clearly like to fit catch fish. They
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: clearly still like to catch fish. I say still because
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: imagine some day it goes away when you die too long,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I asked he, And on the way back in, I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: was like, what do you do in your spare time?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Because I know when you guide a lot, a lot
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: of times you don't fish that much in your spare time.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I go fishing. So he job. They
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: like to fish. They like to talk about fish, catch fish. Um,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: we showed up dressed through the parts too. We didn't
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: look like, you know, we just got off the plane. Yeah,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: so they're probably like, Okay, we're not gonna be like
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: getting hooks out of people's hands all day long. And man,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: was that fun. My arms tired. You need a vessel
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: because we went out. We're fishing twenty miles out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: but it was so smooth. If you snapped your fingers
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: and could freeze it solid, you could ice skated on it.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: It was much smooth, so much smoother than the baby's bottom.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: So my kid, uh, my youngest kid. You've got a
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: parallels swim shorts that have the built in underwear. Yeah,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: and somehow like it most not like it must irritate
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: them a little bit or something when he's like wet
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: with that mesh on him, because now he runs around
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: making everyone he pulls his pants. That makes everyone. It
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: just butt really, so he'll laugh, my laugh, he'll laugh,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: my laugh. It's got like it's just butt cheeks and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: he kind of just like gets all dreamy looking at
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: bints of fall asleep. Really, it's like scratching love this
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: butt cheeks scratch with his own fingers because he likes
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: to luxuriate. Man, he wants to get a nice spot
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: where you can lay down with his butt in your face,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: you know, and you start like scratching his butt cheeks
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit, looks like you're scratching a dog on
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: the and he just likes to like passes out. Yeah,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: then you quit and you kind of like jolts away
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: so much smoother than the baby's bottom. And I'm saying
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: that with where with where I have knowledge of what
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: that feels like. Um, and in a lot of places
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: like lin Cod. So if if you go to people
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: in the know on Pacific saltwater fish, Lincot have your
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: reputation as being one of the one of the greats
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: upper echelon bottom fish for sure, like one of the
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: table table table fair man. They're like top few. Yeah,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: they're great, They're delicious. Yeah. People that know are like sure,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: you know a lot of people like Halib because halibit
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: is very approachable, you know, it's like reliable, It's white, dense, flaky, mild,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: you can do anything with it. But like link, COD
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: is kind of a better version. Yeah, definitely, kind of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: a better version COD, but more royal. Yeah, it's like, yeah,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: they're delicious. They're whether you want to put them on
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: a grill, whether you want to beer, batter them up
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: and fry them, anything you want. The answers, yes, they're delicious.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: They don't hold together on a grill. It does. I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: don't think they're still they're still. They're definitely worthy, but
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: they're yeah, yeah, they're great, They're good. I love them.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: They rag them out like the REGs very so much so.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: In Southeast Alaska, you know, there's you know, people have
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: bottom and limits like everything, right, it's gonna be like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: over x inches. In some places they have a slot,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: like out in the San Juan Island where my buddy
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Pooter lives. The slot is to thirty six inches. So
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: those are the ones you can keep, you're allowed to keep.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: It has to be a minimum, but it has been
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: under you know, if there's a different term when it's opposite.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Because in North Carolina, for red fish, you can keep
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: them up to seventeen and then over seven. Man, I'm
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: sure there's a term for it, but I don't know
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: what it's like a reverse. I'd like to kind of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: like the REGs on like if if a guy wanted
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: to keep a large mouth bass in a lick. I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: think it's still referred to as a slot limit. No
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: slot is only when there's a when there's a bottom
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: and top cap, like you gotta fall in the slot.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: So we're out. I caught uh. Last year I went
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: out and caught one, because you're hat one a day
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: up there, you lot to a day here, no slot
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: limit up there. North of here, you're not one day.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: So last year I went out, caught one, it hit
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the slot. This year ago caught one hit the slot,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: and I dubbed myself the slot tickler. So my wife
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: thought was a repugnant term, but I just thought was like,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: I like, can tickle them right in the slot on
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: the slot size on that right, just speaking just link.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: But here you're allowed, Yeah, you're allowed to per person
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: in this zone too, per person, no size limit. And
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: we motor out and first stop, I think something like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: what the seventeen miles out? I think he said twelve
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: to catch, twelve to fish bait, and we got little
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: rigs with a like eight ounds lead ball. And there's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a couple look like oversized croppy jigs with a little
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: bit of squid squid tentacle, And dropped down and caught bait,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: and we caught twenty flounder. That we're not twenty flounder
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the size of the size of your hand. And there's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a handful of species down there. Little flat fish. Yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I was, I had. That's when the good time started. Man,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I was having fun doing that. Oh man, my kid
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: has stayed there all day, fished up for bait. So
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: fished up a bunch of bait and what what put
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: twenty in alive? Well, and then motored out a ways more.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: And like normally when you're fishing link Hod, you're fishing,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: they're like the tops of stuff, So like the tops
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of very sharp ridge lines, the tops of underwater spires,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: the tops of underwater peaks, like the tops of stuff,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and rock fish tend to like the sides of stuff.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: But out here, he said, there's so little structure that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: any little feature will hold fish. And we were on uh.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: He was saying, just like any discrepancy in the bottom,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: or it could just simply be that like we were
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: fishing on the feature. There was only a couple of
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: feet higher than the surrounding stuff, but it was like
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: like it was like an area that was a harder bottom.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of a rise up like
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: maybe some old rock down there, but still pretty smooth.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: He said, any feature will gang them up, that's what
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: he said. It totally blows me away that you can
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: have this like so uniform bottom and there's one little
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: hummock or hill in it and that's all it takes.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: And they must have been piled. It must have been
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: because we made what how many passes? Do we make? Three? Three?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Three passes over getting at one or two? So we
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: had six dudes, five grown ups, my older boy, and
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: so we're allowed to put twelve lincod in the boat.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: And yeah, there's maybe a few passes, four passes, and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: you bring that flounder like you put a hook through
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: his lip, run the other hook around back by his tail,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: put it in there, drop it down and boom. That's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: kind of what it sounds like. If you could hear it. No,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: if you could hear it, I think it would sound
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: like it would sound like um right, all right, all right,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: nah right, what exactly that I think they because other
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: places just right, the only word I could think for it,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say the word I could think
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: for how Lincoln normally hits. I was gonna say, be
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: slap it, like they be slap that bag right here,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: they mouth it, kind of pick it up, they mouth it.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, he's just going I'd like
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: to see it. Toads, big toads, dragons, dragons, Like you
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: could take both the fists. You can take both your
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: fists together. How big was the biggest one we had,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: say sixteen pounds, I would just less than eight ninety
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: at the top. You can take both your fists knuckle
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: knuckle and stick in his mouth without touching the teeth
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: and fully flared out like that. We should talk about teeth.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's why people call him dragons is because
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: the mouth he could you could like you do when
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: you fold your socks right, how you could like take
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: your mom your sock and like jam it, reverse it.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: It's almos Like you open that mouth up. It's like
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: you could put the fish back through the mouth. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: you could. Like you can cut him off at the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: gills and then turn around and in his his corpse,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: his carcass back through his mouth problem. Remember the sculpting family.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: Just an amazing fish in a pectoral fin that doesn't quit.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: A pectoral fin the size of your hands spread out, Yeah,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: the size of a grown man's hand, completely spread out. Snaky.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: It's one of those fishing people. I was like, Oh,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: he's ugly, and I'm like, yeah, but in a beautiful
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: sort of way. In a beautiful kind of way. Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: And they get like the females get that big old
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: belly on them, you know, that big old link cod
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: apple bottom kind of just back there by their vent.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: They just get this big swollen belly and they're just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: pretty when they come out of the water. They're cool
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: looking with their blotchy uniforms kind of colors on them,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: and they're really really cool. I think they're super cool. Yeah.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: I think there's those predatory ambush Predator fish are really cool.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: I mean they fishing them off the jetties and stuff
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: back in the Sound. I mean they just they hide
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: in the rocks and you just work a swim shad
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: down over the rocks and and they just hang there. Man,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: they wait for bait to just come and they're just
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: that's that's so surprising of you guys talk about it.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Where I was associated with hunter plus feet of water,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't know they'll come up shell. I've I've got
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: him in Lesson ten. I've caught him right out here,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: not far from here, in Lesson ten on the opener
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: on the sound. We just fished the jetties. It's like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: just you you hit the rocks and just work it
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: down the rocks. Jetty. Yeah, I'll be standing on the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: jetty fishing like the foot of the jetty. Basic. It's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: a formidable looking fish man freaking fangs in there. There's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: too Now, there's some footage that you can find online
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: where there's a there's a couple of spires in southeast
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: Alaska where they've closed it as a study area. It's
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: called like Spires Marine Park at sun or another just
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: a very small area. But he's he's like these sea mounts.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: They call him Sea Mounts. They were just like a
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: small seamounts. They've closed the fishing just for research purposes.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: And there's some submersible footage that came from a submersible
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: that went down to one of these spires to film
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: what's going on down there. And there's link cod down there,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: giants laying touching side by side, so like laying on
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: the rock where they're actually making body contact with another
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: with each other, just like spooning. And there's link cod
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: that are laying stacked sideways on them, on each other,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: criss crossing each other. You mean, like no, just everywhere,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: laying all over land that's like stacked into the good
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: little spots. It's just like it's just not what you
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: picture when you picture what's going on down there in
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. Everybody, what's the best fishing spot? Yeah,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: there's Yeah, they crowded in like steelhead fishermen into the zone. Man,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it's like whatever the current brings stuff behind it doesn't
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: want to be in the spot. Yeah, And so pretty
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: quickly we had bam bam, bam, bam bam. We had twelve. Yeah,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: those fish are like ten years old, pretty fast. I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: don't know grow I don't know much about that. Rock
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: fish grow really super slow. Yeah, they have those slow,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: super slow growers, I know that. And the way they
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: regulate here too. So like I said, it's like north
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: you here, you go out and fish Lanecount you're a
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: loud one a day. It's a six week season, you're
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: allowed one a day, and he's got to be between
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: twenty six and thirty six inches. Here, you're allowed to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: a day. But what they do is they open certain depths,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: so like early season will open you gotta be a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: you can't fish any deeper than what one twenty something
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: like that. And then you get to a certain date
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and they'll stagger it out and let you go down
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: and fish to like I don't know what, I don't
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: know what it is right now, but they'll let you
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: go to the next depth out and fish to like
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: an unlimited depth or like another another chunk of depth
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: in order to spread out people's pressure angler pressure as
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: you go out. But man, just like judging by like
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the very anecdotal stuff of what happened today, it does
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: not seem like it seems like a pretty well managed fishery.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: It would be like that, because then the minute we
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: get done going after link cod, we go to get rockfish,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: and that was unbelievable. Some of the best I've ever seen.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: And rock fish, I think it's like in the Pacific,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's thirty two different species of rockfish running
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: around upper twenties, just even in Alaska waters, and they
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: regulate them up there where you have like pelagic and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: non plagic rockfish, So some rockfish or bottom dwellers that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: associate with a certain feature and don't move around the
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: whole ton. And then you have your plagic rockfish which
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: roam around in these big schools. And we're getting onto
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: plagic rockfish where we're in two feet of water, but
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: the school is suspended fifty below the boat from fifty
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: seventy below, and holy ship, that's especially compared to the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: ones that we're catching up at your place. Usually the
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: yellow eyes are big, but the average quill back and
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: whatever else we catch maybe, but like a big dusky, yeah,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you know you're right, quill backs not nowhere in your
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: tube your average pound. Yeah, But then a yellow eye
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: will beat some bruisers. You know, fourteen would be big,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I mean not big, but like a normal day out,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: if you got one those thirteen fourteen pounds, that's a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: big one. You hear of them, and I think there
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: used to be a lot more of them. It would
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: be you know, thirty pounds, thirty five pounds. You hear that,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: But like typically if you get a fourteen or it's like, wow,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: that's a bit right. These today we're what on average
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: the rock fish yeah, ohee five gray and yellowtail ye
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: black black rock fish and yellowtail rock fish and beauties beauties.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Though some of those yellowtail rock fish had shoulders on them. Man,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: they were nice. Yeah you want a picture, man, there's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: shaped like a um you imagine like the body shape
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: is like a souped up beefy lineback or small mouth
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, small mouth bass yeah, not as like uh
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: like wide, let's say, as a large mouth, like wide.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: If you're looking down at them from at the top
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: of their back, they're not as wide as a large mouth.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: But they're built, you know, profile wise a lot like that.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, and they're cool too many drop Yeah,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: you drop it down through the school, and you got
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: two hooks on and you drop it down through the school,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and as soon as you put the brakes on it,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: then most of the time you're pulling up doubles. We
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: had more double the day. I was shocked how many
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: devils we had. I mean quick, like, you drop it
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: down through that school, you get a bite and it's wham.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: I think you get that first one, and as you're
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: reeling it up, that little flies dangling or whatever it is,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: buddies going nuts now flies up there dancing around, and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: the other one's like, oh, what's that? Yeah, don't mind
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: if I do. We voted forty plus rock fishing under
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: that many minutes. Probably yeah, it was definitely, yeah, I
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: would say, oh for sure. And then there you haven't
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: where you got a hundred plus pounds of you got yeah,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: hundred plus pounds of rock fist laying there. Seven rock
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: fish per person a good limit to linco Man, Yeah
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: that was probably what was that a hundred quart uh cooler? Yeah? Right?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Did he had back there? Yeah? What's bigger than that?
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: It's a little bigger than not, I think when Oh,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, so we got twelve and a
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: hold on ice. And then we had that giant cooler
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: completely full of rock fish. You ever see Cheaching Chong's
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: the next movie, Yeah, where it's all about how they
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: got that big duffel bag of weed, the roaming around
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: the army duffel bag full of weed, and someone asked,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: somebody's gonna do with it all? And he says he's
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: gonna smoke something sell something, parties, party with some it's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: like that much fish man. Yeah, smoke some Yeah, I'm
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: not gonna sell smoke something. Some smokes them, eat something,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: party with something. I'm gonna give some out to my neighbors.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Got a couple of neighbors. Yeah, I don't give them
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: like crazy stuff that's hard to deal with. But like
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: if I go to my neighbors and uh bring them
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: like a like a link cod fil a, but not
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, like enough for their family to have
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: a feed off of, that scores big. I get it
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: all ready. That's that's a big thing. My old man.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know, giving away fish and game.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: He do be really care to give it away? We
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: have to bring it to neighbors around when I was
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: growing up, you know, and to give it away in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: like table ready form, ready to cook. Yeah, you don't
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: like go over and like dump a meat game bag
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: full of hair. You gim a fish some hair in
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: a bloody meat bag. You know, you get all nice,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: man and like it's like to go to your neighbor
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: with a hunk of fish or a deer steak or whatever,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: be like this is ready to prepare. Yeah, and what
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: you want to do is do this and this. That's
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the way to get neighbors on your side. I've actually
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: seen seasoned a filet of fish before for a neighbor
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: that just, you know, it's not accustomed to cooking fish.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: Throw this on the grill for this many minutes or whatever.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: It's just easy for him. I get some elder than neighbors,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: neighbors that are working on some hunting permissions with them.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Shelled some shrimp last time during shrimping season. They'll definitely
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: beginning shell shrimp, shell shrimp heads off shelled. But these
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: in the pants tam they'll be getting some link maybe
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: seasoned it. Yeah, it slow rolling it. It was. It
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: was almost surreal. It's nice to give stuff away, man.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I was like called like it like venison diplomacy man,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: because you can just picture like my neighbors don't hunt
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: or you know, barely fish. He pictures someone like brings
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: up like, yeah, I'm damn hunters. Right, They're probably gonna
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, I live one next next one.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: He's all right, brings me all kinds of Yeah. It's
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: like the dudes at work, they're like, oh, Tommy Hudson, Yeah,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: he's the one that's always bringing in that pepperoni. Yeah,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: he's got some good pepperoni, makes good pepperoni. Yeah, it's
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: good like that. I know a guy like yeah, huts
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: bring pepperoni, pepperoni sticks work. You know, it's like, I
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: don't know image block. I used to live on Never.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: I love this time of year because I had a boat,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: and I would every time I go out, I dropped
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: four crab pots, go out and I'd fish for coho
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: and chinook and come back with salmon filets. And then
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: you know, you can only eat so many as good
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: as Dungeoness crab a is, you can only eat so
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: much of it. I'd shell it form, bring them a
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: little baggy and dungeoness all they got. Oh man, crack
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: it up, cars. I gotta do it for my family anyway,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: crack it up. Giving my in laws just sit there
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: and just go to work. Man, are you one of
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: those dudes? I gotta ask you something. Are you one
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: of those dudes that shells your crab up and then
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: you eat it as we can maintain our friendship. But
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: my my, my in laws, they paid like the thirty
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: nine dollars a pound for shell crab. So when I
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of it to a store, they go
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: down to Pike Place mark it and buy the shell
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: dungeoness crab for forty bucks a pound or whatever it is.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. So when I get a bunch of crab,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: I cooked, holding cooked crack out of the you know meat. Yeah,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: they do do They do a good job of picking
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: it or you still get little chunks? What do you
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: mean when you buy picked crab meat? Still it's pretty clean,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: but you still there's some frag and there you get
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: some f every once in a while, you do get
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: some frag. Yeah. My kids when they're eating crab cakes
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: and they find chunks of shell, they always like to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: point it out to me. You'll get it. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: it's like getting it. It's like getting a egg shelling
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: and omelet. You don't get any frag. Never heard about it.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: You pick a clean but you gotta hear about it
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: every time. I uh, I like to. I don't mind
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: picking a little bit of it and freezing little vacuum
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: sealed bags of vacuum sealed bags and pit crab. What
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I did last year, what someone turned me on too,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: was and I did an experiment. They said to pick
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: your crab, put in a jar and pour milk over.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Lord knows why poor milk over and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: freeze it, so freeze it in a mason jar in milk.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: So I froze some of that stuff for a year
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: just to see, and recently, uh thought it out drained.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: It made some crab cakes. It was almost as good
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: as if you would yeah, very well, very well. I
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: have heard visiting visiting out of town relatives. I've heard
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: the same thing about guys freezing spot prom tails. It's hard.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: I don't like freeze the freeze them. They freeze them
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: in milk, like you're saying, Yeah, I'd like to try it,
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: because the key to freeze in those things is to
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: wash them very thoroughly. Because any of that little rust
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: colored gut liquid that when you pull his tail off,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: that's stuff. I don't think they freeze that well. But
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: I would be interested in trying another strategy. When I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of those in the freezer, I go
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: through them quick. Yeah they're deliciou us go through them
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: quick now, this fish. What I'll do is I'll I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: used to like I used to be down on vac seals.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: I used to be down in vacuum bags. And I
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's from using a lot of like
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: low quality vacuum bags, but I'll be down on vacuum
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: bags because I found it so often. I would vacceal
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: something and then a month later, look and it wasn't
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: vack sealed anymore. And I used to think that the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: bags were bad, that the seals gave out. And what
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: I now realized is that I was treating them too rough,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: digging around on the freezer in a braiding the bags.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Or I would be up in my fish shack and
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: we would vac seal fish. And then I just throw
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: it on into a cooler right and let it jostle
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: around and check it out an airplane and bring it home.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh, the vacuum bag, they've lost
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: their seal because what you're doing is like banging it
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: around and it makes holes and stuff. And once I
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: realized that, um, once I realized that you can eliminate
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: that with careful handling, or to put when you're packing
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: them in a fish box of cooler, put a layer down,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Put a layer of newsprint or something down. Put more
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: in there. I never had problems with it anymore. Now
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: when I have accial something, I don't know, something like
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: a better quality bag or what. But when I have
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: actual something out, that thing stays back seal. Yeah, there's
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: definitely in different levels. We've used some knockoff brands and
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: the Western ones that we're using now, I was seemed
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: to be a lot, and I used to mess around
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: where I had, you know, like I don't know, man,
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: like little rinky dink rinky dink bad Steelers that didn't
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: pull a seal. I've definitely had that happen. Yeah, like
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: you end up with the old whatever brand that's been
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: sitting in somebody's cupboard that you borrow. Isn't happened to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: me for a while. And I tried to get through
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: a deer one year by doing it because it was
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: just in. It just didn't work out. Yeah, I love
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: the one. The one I got now, it's like I
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: keep it on a high shelf, so it's like a
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: they called the Yeah, well it's no. I got a
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: chamber ceil. I got like a Western chambers here, which
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: I love at my fish shack. But I just have
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: like the model which is heavy right like I keep
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: it on a high shelf and it's like you're getting
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: it down. What's this big heavy thing? But I'm telling
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: you what, man, that thing it cranks. I love him now.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: So what I'm getting at now is I'm gonna take
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: these fish home and I'll pad them dry, like I'll
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: rinse it, give it a light rents. I'll actually pat
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: that thing dry and get those things already and uh
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: put them in those serving sized things. Zapp him in
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: the seiler lamb in the freezer, and it just looks
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: beautiful when you get them all lined up. And I
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: don't freeze fish and water. I used to freeze fishing water.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I don't freeze the water. Now. You gotta dry him though,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: Pad him dry, gotta dry, you know, pad him dry
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: and freeze them. And I find that you can get
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: away with freeze them longer. Uh freeze fish long with
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: the skin off. Why do you think that? Because I've
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: just discovered over time, I think there's a lot of
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: slime in that skin. And so when I I oftentimes
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: freeze fish skin on. And I found it when you
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: pull if you let a fish go too long in
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: your freezer and you pull it off and you're like
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm always thinking, like will my wife flag this
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: as skanky? Right, like the way salmon doesn't last that
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: long in a freezer. If if if you pull it
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: out and it's a little skanky, like do a Pepsi
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: challenge and take a skin, a skin salmon, flay, skinned,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: wall I flay, skin link cod flay whatever it is.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: And one one with skin off, one with skin on,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: vaccine and both put him in your freezer for five months,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: pull them out and with them and I'm telling you, man,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: that skin one there's there's a layer of fat, and
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: there's some slime and maybe there's like it better, So
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: you're gonna pull it out, and that one with the
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: skin is gonna be skankier than the one without skin.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: I can see that. I dry the heck out of
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: my skin though, like I yeah, I mean I go
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: through rolls of paper towels. If I'm vacuum seeing on
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: a bunch of fish with skin, and then I put
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: meat to meat, so you have skin out, skin out. Yeah,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: you don't want skin on your flesh. The reason we'll
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: do that you have that and see that a long
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: time I keep I'm still eating co hole from last June.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: That's good. The reason will do sometimes we'll freeze salmon
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: like that meat to meat skin out is because if
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: you don't have time to pull the pinbones, the pinbone
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: can braid the vacuum bags that you pull a good
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: suck on it. Pinbones, Well, you can poke a hole
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: in your back bag and then you think you gotta
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: sweet looking salmon your freezer, and then a week later
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: it's not because the pinbone ruptured the thing. Yeah, any bone,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: you can do it careful. But I have a pair
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: of nine dollar Japanese bone pickers. Like the world's greatest
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: book I ever made. I can't tell you what it's called.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: I can't read Japanese. My broody brought me a Japanese
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: fish cleaning book from Japan. There's not a fish on
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: the plant that's not in this book. I'm surprised to's
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: not how to clean a whale shark in this book.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Like everything is in this book, man from everything is
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: in this book breakdown on how to do it. And
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: I noticed this guy is always using these like special
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: bone picking players. So I bought these these souped up
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Japanese bone pickers for nine bucks. I love those things
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: where but I found him on Amazon. They just got
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: They're just like a needle nose with just flatten. It's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: like a fingernail clipper but not but strong. And it's
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: why you can pluck two three out of time when
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: you're pulling po Yeah, and I keep that in a
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: special corner of a special drawer. How does jes needle
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: know this? But that sounds like it's no, you need
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: that Japanese bone pickers? Anything else? Good stuff? Now? Great day,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: you got any dad? You didn't say any about our
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: fishing trip. You didn't have any fun? Oh my goodness, gracious.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Trying to take care of my arms from all that cranking,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: all that cranking, that's my that's my one great because
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I only like to use light tackle because it because
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: because the sports like it. Sure, but I wouldn't have
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: I would have liked to have my own jack and
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: rod where I like, where there's a better It was
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit thicker, right, just a little heavier, a
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: little bit heavier, maybe just a touch. Big freaking dragons, mane.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: You know you're out them out you're two of water.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: And that's that reel is kind of twisting. Yeah, I
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: kind of want something I can really get some purchase
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: on with my with my hand up front, I feel
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: like I'm sneaking my hand up the up the blank itself,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: off the grip on the front, try to get some
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: torque on that thing, and like change up my grip,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: like I just need I need some purchase up my
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: main jigg and rod. The widow Maker has front. The
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: front grip on the widow Maker is like holding the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: beer bottle. And man, you can horse up some fish
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: with that thing, man, because it's it's got a soft
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: foamy thing. And then you got a big handle like
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: a dial. Hand. I got this like a like a
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: dial with level wine that you can grab onto that
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: and you can grab that grip and when it's time
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: to get it done and get a fish up off,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: you know, sucking them up off two water. It's just
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: very comfortable. How long is it? Wong? Yeah, Like I
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: feel like I'd like to mention the name of the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: charter guys again because again, yeah, yeah, I know they
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: were dialed. I like those guys quite a bit, man. Yeah,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: They're just good. It's great boat and great places. It
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: seemed like it might be a little underutilized. I don't know,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: all rivers and saltwater saltwater charters, all rivers and saltwater charters.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: And it was Ian and Nick. Yeah, And I don't know,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: like if those dudes couldn't go, I don't know that
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: I would uh say, like, don't only go because like
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: you have to you kind of think that that you
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: like the hope that the company in general Foster's that
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: kind of absolutely like I don't know, maybe it was
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a fluke that those guys are so cool to hang
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: out with, but you like to think that the company
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: in general Foster's that kind of relationship because it was
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: like fishing with dudes that you would normally fish with exactly.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: It wasn't something blow hard, you know, screaming at because
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: you had some sunscreen on your hand and touch his
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: rod or something that we had the other boat pull
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: up next to us and you know, talking on the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: radio with and and uh yeah, they weren't catching nearly
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the amount of fish that we were catching, but they
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: were trying to do something different. But they were having
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: a great time. They were had a good time, but
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: they were trying to salmon snea. Yeah, they were rock. Yeah,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: they were doing a combo trip, salmon, rock fish. But
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: they seem like they totally looked like they were having
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: a good time though. Yeah, So I think regardless is
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: just a good operation. Yeah. If I was gonna tell
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: someone in this zone, like if I was gonna tell
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: someone within a day's drive or whatever, if they want
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: to do like a meat run, yeah, very good meat run. Yeah,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: I would be like I would go out and say,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: like I would go out, hope for the right weather
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: and go out and do the line cod, rockfish. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: Far as far as having like you know, years worth
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: of fish tacos, we got that covered. Like you can
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: catch salmon and steelhead and all that stuff and rivers.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: If if you want closer to home, man, you're gonna
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: run to the coast man, take a rock fish, my
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: little boy, he's like nowhere. Once you realized you can't
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: like see the beach. Yeah, And we saw an ocean
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: we forgot. We saw an oceanic sunfish that was and
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: a seal that was having some issues, a dying seal,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: baby seal blind fishing trip of his life eight years.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I take a little bit offense to that. Uh, he's
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: had some good days on the water. He really liked it. Um,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I liked it. Seeing the oceanic sunfish is cool. So
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: it's like a big weird fish. They're like round with
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: a fin on top of the bottom. They kind of
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: lay on their side or lay up right and cruise
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: the world's ocean feeding on jellyfish at the surface. I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: did not I always wondered what they're on the top.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: They were like and that Like, yeah, that fish could
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: turn up in Hawaii. Yeah, that's amazing. They just roam around. Man,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: they gotta get hit by boats all the time. So
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: that was cool. Saw a seal that has some seri
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: his problems, like an emaciated baby seal not quite totally
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: close to death, but maybe leaning in that direction eventually
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: he's he was weird. I've never seen a seal with
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: barnacles on it. Like. He wasn't doing too good. Yeah,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: he was just kind of rolling around. Anything else any
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: other highlights, No, just good company, always good traveling. Lots
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: of fish, but none was knighte. So the dude had
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: to clean all that fish. Yeah, he was a rock
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: fish and he was pretty handy. But I mean I
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: felt bad. I just like stay. I don't like I
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: get uncomfortable staying around watching someone work. Yeah, I do too.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: That's an awkward situation. So here he is cleaning. He
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: was handy with that. Those situations. They'd rather have you
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: out of their way than trying to help. So yeah,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: and he'd rather, I think, do the work and make
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: the extra extra cash. Yeah, then you're trying to pay
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: him thirty eight. Bam, you cleaned four? Yea four? Yeah?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Probably why brings one flame. Yeah, there's anyway. Yeah, I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: noticed they had to sign up to that said if
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you lost your ride, you gotta pay for it, which
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: could have hit me and Jimmy darn here. I guess
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: you paid for that one though. We were out trolling
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: salmon on uh Jimmy Darren's boat on July three. He
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: keeps the boat moored in Seattle, and he had bought
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: his wife, his girlfriend. You gotta marry her more than likely. Sure,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: I think you should. I've met both. I've met both
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: of you, alright, I met both of you. And she's
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: very tallerant. Let's just put it down. So he for Christmas,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: he buys her fishing rod, which she doesn't want anyways. No,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: it's barely if there's any weather at all, she's just sick.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: So he's like, you know, I really thought about us
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: and thought about you, and I've been thinking a lot
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: about what you need, you know, what I can bring
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: to this. And I botched his fish pole and we're
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: fighting to fish and look my kids there. It's a
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: little bit chaotic for a second. And he's working on
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: a rod and lays the rod on the roof of
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: the boat that moved it out of the way, and
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: I just laid it on the on They just trying
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: to net this. He's trying to net a king that
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: we had and all of a sudden, net rod into
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: the drink. Done. So he's like gonna jump in and like,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: no digitility lost it? Or do you just so, how's
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: my fishing rod? And she's not gonna ask. Oh, it's fine,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: it's right there because I gotta go up to John's
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: and everybody Jimmy high and I've been looking high for
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: the fishing rod you purchased me for Christmas and me
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: and my girlfriends are going to go on a trip
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, but it's a sucky feeling to watch
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: a few hundred bucks sink to the bottle and here,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: you know that thing had never even been on a
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: down rigger. It had never been fished. I had rigged
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: it for the very first time that day because I
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: was having additional people on the boat, and it was
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: just irony. And it's the calm of it all, because
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: let's be straight, I was, you know, it's Christmas, and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: I was a little jammed up. And we've been together
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: long enough to buying presence has become fairly problematic because
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: we've already bought everything. And and I saw the fishing
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: around him, like she's not gonna give a shit about
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: the thing, but like, but it's just more wrapped up
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: crap under the tree, and I'm trying to keep it
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: even because she just goes so overboard every year with Christmas.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Oh you're trying to stack it to make it look
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: like you bott It's like when I thought, well, maybe
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: she might use it. I mean, at some point, you want,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: if we get a day like we had today on
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: the water where it's just nothing, sure she'd you know,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: she'll go fishing with me if it's if we have
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: conditions like we had today. But you know the reality
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, you know, pressure have backup brought on
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: that bone. You know, a yoga mat. That is the
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: perfect perfect now that italy on the head, So yeah,
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: I'm definitely not gonna let her listen to this one.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a good day. We cough
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: fish awesome. Yeah it's it's one of the greatest things
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: about where we live is you know, in Seattle, it's
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: I could be on my couch and I like, I
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: keep my boat more than sheeld shoal, and I could
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: literally be on the couch some many calls where I
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: get a wild hair, and I could have down riggers
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: in the water and thirty forty minutes. Yeah, when I
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: was trying to I was trying to talk you into
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: moving back to Montana with me. You said that they
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: don't troll salmon. You don't know. My boat won't do
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: a whole lot there. I told you can go there
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: and troll big old nasty brown's up out a reservoir. Yea, yeah,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: it's a big old nasty muddy taste and brown pretty
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: good lately, I'll tell you that much. You got any
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: final thoughts, I didn't make correction before someone emails in
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: about my reverse slot. I think I'm just tired and
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I was thinking backwards because We had a day last
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: year where we were catching on both sides of the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: slot and having to throw them back because you weren't slot. Yeah,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: it was a slot. So it's just eighteen and twenty seven.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: You gotta be within the slab. No sea sickness today
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, I took jama mean, but you know
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: it looked like you took something. Yeah, but you can't.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Today is not a day to test that. I can't
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: say it worked because it was so slick. It was
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: like being out on a lake in Michigan. You know,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: I lost, like we talked, was four but fishing with
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: you out when you've had sea sickness, I find myself
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: like usually just have nothing but love for you. And
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: every time I look at you, I'm like, oh yeah,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: but that day watching you all like disinterested and sick
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: and everything I looked at smn like kick you off
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: the boat. I just like I was like one of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: those people that relies on uh, I like need your strength,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: and seeing you at that and then seeing you at
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: less than that, it wasn't like love came up. That
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I can only I realized that my
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: love for him is very shallow, very shallow, and it
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: relies on him being like eager, eager, attentive, anticipating what's
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: gonna happen next. But to see him just like weak
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: end and all sick and not paying attention. He was
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: had a fish on and he wasn't even aware of
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: it at one point, I think, and I was like,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, get out. It's like you make me sick.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: Your sickness makes me sick, Tony any final thoughts, I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: don't really feel that way about Yah. I mean I
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: did for a minute, but then I caught myself. Yeah,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: I got it. That was a great day. I mean,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: we couldn't have hit a better day on the water.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: So fantastic. I know we're telling people, we're telling all
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: these blugs to go out, like telling people you should
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: go do this trip. Watch like just like yeah, everybody's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: still Yeah, you gotta put it stuck to your hand.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: It does not get any better than it got. Today's
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: too rough. Yeah, it's too rough to piss, so you
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: gotta go on your pants. Yeah. Yeah it's great. Yeah,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: it's excellent. Great place. You're looking to dig into that
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: grizzly I am. I guess my concluder is to this
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: so nice. It's like, maybe it's not so nice for
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: the people live here in Westport, but it's mill of
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: July summer and it's quiet here. Yeah. Great. It feels
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: like like used to have more activity than it does now.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: It did when I was, like, we spent a lot
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: of time camping here as a kid man. Like even
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: just driving down the main drag of this place is
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: like a like a trip past year old high school,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: like camping with my folks and donate and tackle on
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: all the local jettys and running my old man out
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: of five dollar bills for extra tackle. It's just like
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: it's crazy, and like I remember mornings. I've said this
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: a couple of times on this little trip, but like
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: I remember mornings where you go down to that little
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: main drag where all the charter boats were and it
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: was shoulders shoulder, guys, it was just just hustle and bustle,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: like it was afternoon. And now it's like, you know,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: you guys saw it this morning. There's a few people.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: It's sleepy, you describe. Yeah, you know, we we all. Yeah,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: it's just not what it once was. And it's like
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: why do too? Part of its kind of sad, Yeah,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: part of me sad, you know, and in a selfish way,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: I like it, I agree, But part of me sad
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: because I knew what it once was, and like how
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: many different even charter boat companies there were for the
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: big boats, and it's like now they're down to two.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: I think I think there was at least five or six.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Now they're down to two companies. You know, probably I
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: don't know handful of boats commercial, but it's right, yeah,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: it's it's and I don't know what it's co credited too,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: but it's like I don't know, Like get your bus
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: to Westport. Yeah, take your asses, fishing man, it's worth it. Remember,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: like move and out in this area, you know. And
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: my wife, you know, because you know, you'd like to fantasize.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Oh maybe we'll buy a cabin wherever. I remember her
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: being like, oh we should get a cabin out in
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: the sand. Muans I'll be like, screw that, man, go
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: out to the coast and get a place. Coast coast, Yeah,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: the coast coast coast, the real one. Yeah, anything else, anyone,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: do you have anything else? I can't wait to get
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: home and eat some fish. Man. I'm gonna make some
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: killer fish tops tomorrow when you're sitting back in Montana,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: far from the ocean, half your house, half your house,
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: missing work on your big where you work on your
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: big addition, eating some fish, cooking on the camp taste
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: of the ocean. I've been camping out, you know, So
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: I've been making a lot of meals that make a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: very camping in his house, you know, small footprint, right,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: Like somehow I got talked into making pancakes the other
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: day and then I just freaking battery everywhere. I'm like,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: who was thinking about this? Not thinking about doing the dishes,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: but so I was like frying ship was off off
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: the table, but not anymore. I'll pay for the extra dishes.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: You gotta grill outside. It's the prep like breading and
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, dealing with the oil afterwards. Remember
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: are you still doing that? By the way, And do
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's paying off filtering your oil? Yeah,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: I've been filter mile and it's it's paying a huge difference,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: huge difference because I run peanut oil and you start
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: feeling like a moron filling that friar up with peano
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: and when you gotta yeah, man, I get it warm.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Five seven bucks of gallons. I bring it up warm
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: enough to where I like to break down the viscosity
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't know why. How do to do?
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: Get it warm? Run it through that Uh, that synthetic
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: filter comes out looking like I don't know, light honey,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: lighter and light honey looks like urine hydrated. You know,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: I don't started putting that cookbooks. I get some piss
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: colored oil, all right, thanks for joining