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The Enneagram Culture Hack | The Operators Seat E3 · The Operator’s Seat Podcast

0:23
SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the operator seat.
0:25
SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Landon.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: And I'm your host, Sabrina, or co-host Sabrina.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's either one.
0:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay, perfect.
0:34
SPEAKER_03: And today we're going to talk about a very interesting topic.
0:44
SPEAKER_03: And so it was hard to see.
0:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely.
0:47
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
0:48
SPEAKER_03: We're super excited to hopefully be able to touch most, if not all, of them, um, in up-and-coming episodes.
0:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, but one in particular kind of uh both resonated with us and um something that we're really harping on.
1:02
SPEAKER_03: So we wanted to really take a moment to talk about that, answer the question, and kind of get our thoughts out about it.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:10
SPEAKER_00: So let me read the question to start.
1:13
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: Um so the question was how do you create a balanced culture, especially when times are hard or you're growing a firm?
1:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, and culture is such an important part of, you know, not just our firm, but I feel like any business nowadays.
1:32
SPEAKER_03: It's um back when my grandparents and parents were working, it was uh not much of anything, but culture is so important nowadays.
1:41
SPEAKER_03: Um, and and as should be, you know, you spend eight hours a day with one another at least.
1:47
SPEAKER_03: You you want a good team culture, you want to feel valued, you want to feel that um, you know, wherever you work, the not just your managers, but you know, people above your managers, your managers' managers, that you know, they value you as a team member.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: And I'll be an eight for a second, which we'll get into the Aneagram, but you also want to feel like your team members are they they care for sure and they are accountable.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: And so I think like balancing the two is hard for a lot of people.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: Most definitely.
2:21
SPEAKER_00: Um even in my experience when I was I in the past I've either leaned one way too far or the other way too far.
2:29
SPEAKER_00: And so I think the balance, like I think you do a great job balancing culture.
2:33
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
2:34
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
2:34
SPEAKER_03: No, it's but you know, it didn't come.
2:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think back even to my Disney days, like uh I was just learning as a leader and you know, learning to hold people accountable, which an Enneagram too can do.
2:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah may not always be exactly uh and I think like you know, the thought that just came to mind like the different leadership styles.
2:56
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
2:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, making bringing all the different leadership styles, all the different ways of communication, all the different ways that individuals like leadership styles, you know, bringing that all together to again be balanced is what makes for a really good culture.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of the times it can be similar.
3:18
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I say this without having kids, but it can be similar to parenting, right?
3:23
SPEAKER_00: Like you have different parenting styles.
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SPEAKER_00: There's sometimes there's a fun parent, sometimes there's a strict parent, and it's like balancing all of it um in a workplace setting can be a challenge for sure.
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SPEAKER_03: Definitely.
3:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Just coming across different communication styles, the way that you know you receive information and you know, the and that's what the Enneagram does.
3:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so if you haven't caught on yet, yes, um, today we're going to um discuss the Enneagram because it's such an important foundation to not only our culture, but I feel like um anyone who's trying to build their culture or really hone in on, you know, ways to make their team grow together and to work better together.
4:12
SPEAKER_03: I know I've personally seen it on the teams that I've worked on who have really focused on the Enneagram, you know, just the difference between before versus after, or even when you have somebody new on the team who gets excited about it and really starts using it.
4:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, you just see that moment of click.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
4:30
SPEAKER_03: And you're like, oh, well, that's why I respond this way.
4:33
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
4:34
SPEAKER_03: Or that's why they respond this way.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
4:36
SPEAKER_00: I think it creates, especially in hard times, if you're growing a team or you're just higher, even one new personality can throw off like an entire group.
4:47
SPEAKER_03: Um can bring that storm, that's for sure.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: And so I think um just understanding communication is super important.
4:57
SPEAKER_00: I forgot where I was going with that, but we'll get into it and then yeah.
5:00
SPEAKER_03: No problem.
5:01
SPEAKER_03: Um well, for those of you who don't know what the Enneagram is, um, I'm sure a lot of our listeners do, a lot of our friends out there.
5:09
SPEAKER_03: Uh, because my friends, I know they hear me outside of the reliance wealth management realm.
5:14
SPEAKER_00: For sure, my husband, I'm like, you're such a one right now.
5:17
SPEAKER_00: I literally cannot with you.
5:19
SPEAKER_03: Oh, my my friend Sarah, I'll tell I'm trying to guess her number.
5:22
SPEAKER_03: She's one of the few individuals that I've not been able to put a number on.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: She needs to take it.
5:26
SPEAKER_03: She does.
5:27
SPEAKER_03: I need to make her take it.
5:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Sarah, you need to take it.
5:30
SPEAKER_03: But I, you know, she she's probably tired of me talking about it.
5:32
SPEAKER_00: What number do you think she is?
5:34
SPEAKER_03: That's just it.
5:34
SPEAKER_03: I've gone between a five, I've gone between a nine, um, even an eight at some point in her life.
5:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So um, for those who don't know, the Enneagram is made up of numbers one through nine.
5:48
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, what's really cool is we all have that, each number inside of us.
5:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
5:52
SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, we'll probably do something, and you're like, oh, that's such a two thing to do, or that's such a nine thing to do.
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SPEAKER_03: And yeah, you're like, gosh, could I be that number?
6:00
SPEAKER_03: You know, some of your wings, you're like, oh, maybe I am stronger, this number.
6:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, it's it's numbers one through nine, and then you're all categorized um based on your communication styles, your actions.
6:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, I mean, the test it it asks you how you respond um to different circumstances within.
6:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, typically we've taken in and it's it's been more of a work environment.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, so I think you know, some people can definitely be one number at work and another number at home for sure.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: And they're all connected.
6:34
SPEAKER_00: So just because you're an Enneagram two, for instance, doesn't mean that you don't have qualities of a seven or nine.
6:42
SPEAKER_00: So as you're going through this, a lot of the time people think like this is putting me in a box, but it's really just giving you a baseline of what your um main personality core is.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: And then from there, you know, there's also you can get like super deep into it.
7:00
SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
7:02
SPEAKER_03: Um, and maybe that's what we'll do.
7:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:04
SPEAKER_03: Maybe we'll uh do a little series.
7:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do a series.
7:08
SPEAKER_03: Each number and you know, kind of talk about how the numbers respond to one another, what their stress is, what their um where they're at when they're really healthy.
7:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that would be cool.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:20
SPEAKER_03: If you guys would like that, let us know.
7:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
7:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, we could definitely do like one or two numbers per episode or something.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we love talking about the Enneagram.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: So if y'all don't give us permission, we might just end up doing it anyway.
7:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
7:33
SPEAKER_03: That's what we're here to do.
7:34
SPEAKER_03: Spill the tea, ask for forgiveness.
7:36
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
7:37
SPEAKER_03: Um, no, but yeah, so I guess we can go over all the numbers today.
7:41
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, just go over like quick recap.
7:44
SPEAKER_00: You're the Enneagram expert.
7:46
SPEAKER_00: So expert is what I call about it.
7:49
SPEAKER_00: I'll just add in my opinions here and there.
7:51
SPEAKER_03: We know you have them.
7:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
7:54
SPEAKER_03: Uh all right.
7:55
SPEAKER_03: So um, well, again, numbers one through nine.
7:58
SPEAKER_03: So we'll just start with one.
8:00
SPEAKER_03: Um ones are often called um for so we'd take the Ian Cron one.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
8:06
SPEAKER_03: Um, which, you know, there's multiple, um, Enneagram.
8:10
SPEAKER_03: They all have the same baseline, but you know, they're different in a little bit.
8:16
SPEAKER_03: So the one that we know and are familiar with is the Ian Kron version.
8:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, and so he calls the number one the um principled refer reformer, excuse me.
8:26
SPEAKER_03: Um, but they're also known as the perfectionist.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
8:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, and we love our ones.
8:31
SPEAKER_00: They love um I'm married to one.
8:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
8:34
SPEAKER_03: No, they they definitely see uh black and white.
8:37
SPEAKER_03: They're the rule followers, there's no gray area.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're just they're they're um but let me give you the T about a one, okay?
8:50
SPEAKER_03: Let's hear it.
8:51
SPEAKER_00: They only follow rules that they think apply.
8:53
SPEAKER_03: Uh-oh.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: So like they're not like rule followers, like, oh my gosh, this is the law, and I'm going to follow the law.
9:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, I'm just using that as an example because I have my husband in my head.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, he speeds everywhere.
9:08
SPEAKER_00: He doesn't think that's like he doesn't think that he needs to follow the rules about speeding.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: But when it comes to like, I don't even know, um, any like hanging a picture frame, he like measures everything precisely.
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SPEAKER_00: He's like, this has to be perfect.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: Um, that's not a good rule example.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, he he they only follow the rules that they believe are important.
9:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I they I could see that.
9:36
SPEAKER_03: They uh they definitely like to thinking back to the picture.
9:41
SPEAKER_03: That's you that's just a unique thing because that might have to do with like not wanting to do it again or you know, something because it's a perfectionist, yeah.
9:50
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
9:51
SPEAKER_03: They want to get things right.
9:52
SPEAKER_03: Speeding, yeah, like I said, it's a suggestion, but it's a suggestion, but it's also a rule.
9:58
SPEAKER_03: This is true, this is true.
9:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but there's gray area for that.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: So you know you can have ones like to choose their gray.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say.
10:06
SPEAKER_03: I can see, yes, that and then it becomes black and white.
10:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
10:09
SPEAKER_03: So speeding, yes.
10:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, speeding, yes.
10:14
SPEAKER_00: Although we know some ones that don't speed.
10:15
SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's true.
10:16
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: They drive very slow.
10:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there are definitely those out there.
10:20
SPEAKER_03: Um, what I also love about a one is they they love the details too.
10:25
SPEAKER_03: Um I think that comes into the perfectionist.
10:28
SPEAKER_03: And so when you have a one, they're going to tell you every single detail about the story, about, you know, and and I just love, you know, we'll talk about my number next, but I just I love to hear a one talk about their passions and like something they enjoy.
10:45
SPEAKER_03: Sweet lambda.
10:46
SPEAKER_03: Wow, what can I say?
10:47
SPEAKER_03: You're so sweet.
10:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: I can't.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: But they get so they're not.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I love yes, I love that.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: I do appreciate passion.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: I am too very passionate.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: But yes, my number doesn't like details.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: No.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: I just like straight to the point.
11:04
SPEAKER_03: Straight to the point.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: Straight to the point.
11:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that's good.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: That's important.
11:08
SPEAKER_00: The balance.
11:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's the balance.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: Like if I'm if maybe somebody that I'm managing is a one, I just understand that that's how what they like and how they communicate.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: But on the flip side of that, they also understand maybe coming to me, they're gonna have a list of like top three things instead of like the entire picture laid out.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: Um and you can also use it to like, you know, play around in that regard.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, I know you're one.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: I need only the main details because I can't even understand what you're saying right now.
11:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm glossing over.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
11:45
SPEAKER_00: Although I am you probably would say that much better than I would, but oh no, it's it's that that is 100%.
11:50
SPEAKER_03: You know, when a when a one comes to you, I just imagine them going through the story and you being your number, not necessarily you as a person, but them coming and you know, going through the story and then just you stopping and saying, Okay, I get it.
12:06
SPEAKER_03: I love this.
12:07
SPEAKER_03: I love this, but we need to move on to the next three items because you know that there's gonna be plenty of details with that.
12:13
SPEAKER_03: So um part of good culture and part of you know the Indian gram is that give and take, um, the understanding one another.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: And I you know, I think when you're able to that do that, you're able to move into a good culture from there.
12:28
SPEAKER_03: And when you have leaders that understand you and you understand your leaders, it works like a well-oiled machine.
12:35
SPEAKER_03: So all right.
12:36
SPEAKER_03: Anything else about a one?
12:38
SPEAKER_00: No.
12:38
SPEAKER_03: No, yeah.
12:40
SPEAKER_03: Um, all right, number two.
12:41
SPEAKER_03: We don't want to give too much in case we do our stuff.
12:43
SPEAKER_03: I know.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I won't, I'll stop.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: I'll stop myself.
12:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, number twos.
12:48
SPEAKER_03: I want to hear your perspective.
12:50
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, stop, Landon.
12:52
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'll give my perspective your number.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fair.
12:57
SPEAKER_00: See, hey, I'm give and take.
12:59
SPEAKER_00: That was me being a little filtered.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: Or trying to be filtered.
13:04
SPEAKER_00: I haven't even given you my opinion yet.
13:06
SPEAKER_00: That's why I want it.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I love twos.
13:11
SPEAKER_00: I love them.
13:12
SPEAKER_03: Most days.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: I would say.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: I actually, to be fair, I love working with twos.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: I think that when my Enneagram number is an eight, when an eight and a two pair up together and they understand each other, it's like the world is unstoppable.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: Like the world is their oyster.
13:31
SPEAKER_00: They are unstoppable.
13:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, because you have somebody like yourself, Landon, that's very creative, that likes to help, that puts all the pieces together and can do it in a way that um somebody like me that moves very fast doesn't necessarily think about.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I'm an implementer, but you are like the brains behind the scenes of like, hey, this is what I think, this is how I think we should roll it out.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait, but then this, you know, you tweak this here and here, and I'll help you with that.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I'm just like a bull in a China shop, like ready to like bulldoze through.
14:10
SPEAKER_00: So you like you balance me very well as a two.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: So I love twos.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, they are very, I have to worry about how I come across.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's good practice for me because I genuinely with my number, I genuinely don't want to hurt feelings.
14:28
SPEAKER_00: I just like to be very direct in communication.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, I just feel like I have to be very careful to not hurt a two's feelings because they can be, they can take things very personally.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: For sure.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: And so that is something that I struggle with a lot in a two when I'm when I have a relationship with a two is I'm constantly worried about hurting their feelings.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:54
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that is also a problem or can be a problem if you're leading somebody with, you know, that enneagram number because you're worried and you're well aware of the sensitivity maybe that comes with that number, but you don't always understand how to communicate with them effectively.
15:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
15:16
SPEAKER_03: No, and and that's the important part of learning the Enneagram, is it helps that baseline.
15:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, I think for twos, um, you know, we sometimes we're like, gosh, I give and I give and I give.
15:30
SPEAKER_03: And then we receive that direct feedback and we don't take it so well.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, I've the Enneagram has helped me understand that as like I need that direct feedback because I do live in a world of I want to help everybody and you know, everybody's great, and you know, you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings or anything.
15:52
SPEAKER_03: And um, so especially as a leader, uh, I had to learn to, you know, I think we've talked on um one of our previous ones, you know, you have to learn to uh uh uh uh do what's best for you, which as a leader is what's best for the company sometimes, and kind of put the feelings aside.
16:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, as a healthy two can do that, they can really kind of navigate through that.
16:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it it takes work, as with any Enneagram number, you know, all of these obstacles and goals, talking to one another, communicating, it takes work.
16:28
SPEAKER_03: It's not something that I just read this piece of paper and you know we're we're we know the Enneagram.
16:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
16:35
SPEAKER_03: Or, you know, I'm gonna be better with uh my team.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: Yes, it takes effort, for sure.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: A lot of effort on both sides.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
16:45
SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Yes, but twos are the helpers.
16:48
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that we are.
16:49
SPEAKER_00: We love them.
16:50
SPEAKER_03: We love them, we cherish them.
16:52
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes we're ready to strangle them.
16:55
SPEAKER_00: No, never.
16:57
SPEAKER_03: All right, number three.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: Number three.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh, we have to do this one justice or they're gonna be pissed off.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: Oh, for sure.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: The that's literally the that's the three.
17:10
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
17:11
SPEAKER_03: The competitive achiever.
17:13
SPEAKER_03: Yes, also known as the performer.
17:16
SPEAKER_03: Yes, um, and they are all about their identity.
17:20
SPEAKER_03: They um they can't have their name tarnished.
17:24
SPEAKER_03: No.
17:25
SPEAKER_03: And you know, they are constantly working and working.
17:28
SPEAKER_03: And you know, something about a three is there they got a little bit of that wing too, because if you're not gonna do the work that's representing them, and I'm talking from a business, but I guess it could be personal as well.
17:42
SPEAKER_03: Um, but if you're not gonna do the work that represents them, then they're gonna do it themselves.
17:47
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
17:47
SPEAKER_03: Because they are not going to have um the their reputation.
17:55
SPEAKER_03: Yes, their reputation um be tarnished in any way.
17:58
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I think that and I think the difference between a two and a three as far as like the helping, like, oh, I'll do that for you, or I'll do this instead, is the motivation behind it.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: So like a two, a sweet number two is just you know, wanting to make someone else's life easier.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: A three may, I'm not saying they don't, but the core factor behind them wanting to do things is so that it's correct.
18:26
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: So that they look good.
18:29
SPEAKER_00: They know it's right.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
18:30
SPEAKER_03: Definitely, yeah.
18:31
SPEAKER_03: And you know, there's you know, we talk about this and it's not like a negative thing or anything.
18:37
SPEAKER_03: You know, we we all have our healthy moments, we all have our stressful moments um where we show uh healthy and unhealthy tributes, you know.
18:45
SPEAKER_03: Uh twos, you know, it's it's you say not saying no, and you know, you laugh and you joke about that because you're like, oh, two's the helper and everything.
18:55
SPEAKER_03: But it's really like um we're focusing on self-discipl on discipline.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: And um we spoke to today about how it's uh, you know, a direct um attribute of yourself is being able to have that self-awareness and that discipline.
19:11
SPEAKER_03: And as a two, if you don't do that, then um, you know, you're it's it's not a healthy attribute.
19:17
SPEAKER_03: So we don't say any of this to oh yeah, down on any number or anything.
19:21
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Landon.
19:22
SPEAKER_03: As as true as a two can speak.
19:25
SPEAKER_03: I gotta make sure I bring in the feelings.
19:27
SPEAKER_03: Sabrina, stop.
19:28
SPEAKER_03: You're being crazy.
19:30
SPEAKER_03: Oh no, because sometimes I can talk about them and I'm like, oh gosh, did I just say that?
19:34
SPEAKER_00: I do think a three, like a good qual, not that that was a bad quality.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: But a really good quality that I admire in a three is that they can be chameleons.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
19:45
SPEAKER_00: And they can be whatever the room needs them to be.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: So as an advisor, like they can relate to a client, they can kind of get a feel for who the client needs them to be in the room, or you know, as a leader, who this person needs me to be in a room, and then step into that.
20:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think that's a great quality to have just in general.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: But working with a three and leading a three is a lot of work as well because you have to be very you have to position things in a way that especially with a direct feedback, that you know, won't won't be a a negative uh thing in their mind.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: But again, I'm on a tangent.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: We'll do a series.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: Yes, they uh just you know, that performer mindset kind of goes out when they feel that they've done something wrong.
20:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
20:37
SPEAKER_03: So all right, moving on to number fours.
20:41
SPEAKER_03: Um I fours are very rare, yeah.
20:45
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
20:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, and I've only had the opportunity to work with one four before.
20:49
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, she was very lovely, like just so they're known as the intense creative, um, also known as the individualist.
21:00
SPEAKER_03: So um yeah, and I think those two words between creative and individualist really kind of describe who they are.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:09
SPEAKER_03: Um twos are they're so unique and they view themselves as a unique person.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:15
SPEAKER_03: Um they they sometimes can find themselves to be a little lonely because they think that nobody really understands them.
21:25
SPEAKER_03: And so they can find themselves on an island and you know, leading a four is not easy.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, but then they bring so much to the team.
21:36
SPEAKER_03: And so I found it so important to constantly remind this four um the four that, you know, who they are and what they bring to the team and how important they are to the team settings so they didn't find themselves on that lonely island.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: I I've only known well, I'm sure I've known other fours, but only one that took the Enneagram that I um knew on a personal basis and yes very deep very uh creative very intense it they reminded me of like a musician or like an artist yes like very creative and very deep to the extent that yes only only someone that deep and that creative can kind of they feel like they can only relate to people that are like them yeah and so everyone else is like not they can't relate to them um but yes very very unique yeah I could definitely see uh you know Beethoven in my music theory class everything you learned about him yeah um they tend to be really lonely people yeah like Van Gogh yeah very lonely yeah so the artists even theater people you know um um Mrs.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: Doubtfire I'm drawing a blank on his name I'm terrible oh my god may he's Robin Williams um you know he was such a creative individual um but yeah he was so lonely and no one ever realized it oh my gosh that's so sad yeah I wonder if he was an Enneagram for we should look that up we should I bet I bet he would be you know almost an Enneagram for with just his because the way that he could go between characters yeah yeah yes all right number five number five we love our fives I've actually never had the opportunity to work with a five um I I'm sure I've met a five um but yeah I've I've not really uh had the ability to work with them yeah you know I I I'm sure they're great because they are the information keepers of the world yes they so a five is known as um the investigator um also known as the quiet specialist the quiet specialist yeah um we had a five on our team and he was great he was very analytical um very much uh I wouldn't say I guess he was introverted but it wasn't like he was introverted in like this shy way he just liked to be with himself and like by himself um and this is actually so I've done an Enneagram test um a couple different ones and the ones that like show you your like closest numbers so number five was like my second closest oh wow which is interesting because like I'm very fast acting um and fives are like the complete opposite of that they're very slow they like to know all the facts before they act on something or make a decision.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah very they are like the they know random crazy facts because they've like done the research just very full of knowledge.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: I bet Ken Jennings is uh a five who the hell is that who is that he's the he's the host of Jeopardy oh so yeah yes he took over for Alex Trebek but he won Jeopardy before he was the host.
25:04
SPEAKER_03: Oh interesting yes I bet you know when you when you say that I just I think of the Jeopardy winners and all the uh um random facts that they know yeah uh wealth of knowledge they are yes so um specifically for us it's great to have a five on the team um just because they are the ones that are gonna do the research and you know there's we all have um we can all be good at any role but it's so funny that you know without even taking it into consideration and just looking yeah each number kind of falls into its own yeah area of expertise and I think that's often because of you know whether we're the fact finder whether we're the creative or you know the helper or whatever we may be um you we we have a purpose and we have a place.
25:56
SPEAKER_03: So yes perfect all right number six number six number six so they are the loyal skeptic and so number six are so useful because they're bringing perspectives that everybody else forgets.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:13
SPEAKER_03: Um again not speaking so negative but the six are gonna think of well worst case scenario like what if yeah I can't I literally like I think this is the the number that I struggle with the most because as an eight I'm so fast acting.
26:35
SPEAKER_00: You don't want the what if I don't I don't want not that I don't care I won't say that but I don't want the what ifs yeah I don't want to think about them.
26:42
SPEAKER_03: No because you just want to go go go.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah so yeah no I definitely um I don't know I guess the helper in me I don't just listens to them and you know they also as a leader though um you know listening to those what ifs yes is important.
27:00
SPEAKER_03: And so you do a really good job of balancing that.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
27:03
SPEAKER_03: Um you know with I see that with the team and you know even though your mind is like oh I don't want the what ifs you know you you let your leadership skills take over and um you definitely allow the team to present that and um I I think having again that balance which rolls back to the question you know what creates a good foundation is the balance and being able to use tools like the Enneagram and understanding okay the loyal skeptic well they're gonna ask me all the questions and be prepared.
27:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah so it and it's good to have somebody on the team that like so I feel like I play that role for you is I'll go get tell the team the why.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
27:45
SPEAKER_03: That way you don't have to get the what ifs.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
27:47
SPEAKER_03: And you know I'll give them the why and that way they have an understanding.
27:50
SPEAKER_03: And you know you and I had a really good conversation about the uh um sometimes the team doesn't always have to get the why.
27:58
SPEAKER_03: And I think that also makes a good culture.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: Is um because it plays with both sides.
28:02
SPEAKER_03: You know, as a leader yes you're in charge of maintaining the culture but if you don't have good team uh team members that can help that culture yeah then I mean there's no more room for them on the bus.
28:13
SPEAKER_03: And you know that's hard to say as a two but yeah I I've learned it and I've lived it and you know that's just that's part of leadership and business unfortunately but you have to continue to build up that culture with the right people on the bus in the right seat.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
28:29
SPEAKER_03: You know sometimes we have individuals on the bus but they're not in the right seat.
28:34
SPEAKER_03: And so that's when leadership steps in is um building that culture and finding people their seat where they're gonna really thrive.
28:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
28:42
SPEAKER_03: We've seen that recently with um someone who you know we've really we've allowed to be in the position she wants to be and you know she's she's thrived and she's crushing it.
28:52
SPEAKER_03: And you know she's super happy.
28:54
SPEAKER_03: And so um it's it's so cool to see you know be not only leadership but you know culture, which is what this entire episode's about um being able to navigate through that and you know putting the right team members in the seat so they're able to build that culture together too.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: And I think a big piece of that as far as it relates to to like the Enneagram six specifically is you know a six is great if you're brainstorming and you're wanting to know okay where are the holes in this what could we do better?
29:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Or how can we improve this process?
29:32
SPEAKER_00: What holes do you see?
29:33
SPEAKER_00: What could go wrong especially for someone that's super fast acting like me.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: So if you can't trust the people on your team to bring in ideas and feedback, then you've got the wrong team members on the bus, in my opinion.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: So I trust every single person on our team to give me you know their opinion on something and I take it seriously.
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, you know, I have a differing opinion and that's fine too but you know it's it's good to hear different opinions, different perspectives so that way you can make a decision that benefits you know everybody.
30:10
SPEAKER_00: You're taking into account everybody and you know how they're going to perceive information.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: So a six is great for that.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: So if you have a six on your team that you trust ask them their opinion about things.
30:21
SPEAKER_03: Definitely yeah and and it could trust is another cultural foundation um that the Enneagram can really build too we'll get to your number in a couple minutes but trust is so important to you and you know um somebody who's loyal and somebody who you can trust as an eight.
30:39
SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
30:40
SPEAKER_03: Well I'm excited to talk about the eight so let's get on to seven seven perfect um sevens are the enthusiast visionary so they're um very enthusiastic with everything they do um I think I've heard somebody describe them as the golden retriever of the Indian growing because they're just so happy they're just happy to be around and alive.
31:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah and you know there's I wish I had that in me maybe I I do to some extent I have a wing seven seven so on your good days on my good days on your good days Landon's like where where are those haven't seen them oh no we we love Sabrina on the good days um no but the sevens are there's they're really important especially to business because they're gonna bring that vision um you know they're they're going to I often you know the eights are really great about the vision too um but I think sevens you know really um for a founder or an entrepreneur um or a marketing person or a marketing person yes um you know those are those are really good um sevens now again numbers can your Enneagram number can fit in any role and everybody can be successful but yeah you know just being able to see that vision I think is really beneficial.
32:02
SPEAKER_03: Yes very creative too I think right yeah yeah um what else is for fun I mean they're just fun yeah no I often uh my Disney cast members I often think of um those who are very um filled with pixie dust as we say um are definitely seven individuals.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Well and I think that's important for team dynamics and culture too because a seven isn't going to be the strongest at tasks like being task oriented um or super regimented they like to be kind of more free flowing um so creating understanding that about a seven and creating that an environment that they can thrive in while still being you know holding them accountable is important.
32:52
SPEAKER_00: So we can get into that more as we talk through the Enneagram series.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: But yeah sevens are fun.
32:58
SPEAKER_03: I've never thought about it but a seven in a one dynamic that has to be fun.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I can't ones give me the heebie jeebies.
33:07
SPEAKER_03: Well we'll definitely we'll have to talk about that during our series.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: I love ones I'm married to one so everyone knows and I'll repeat that again.
33:14
SPEAKER_03: She loves ones she's married to one plenty of oneness.
33:19
SPEAKER_03: There we go.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: All right well you know the eights.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: The eights Miss Sabrina is an eight I've uh I've definitely been surrounded by eights um and you know eights are very interesting.
33:34
SPEAKER_03: They're I guess tell me more like I will um I think eights I think twos often admire eights in the sense of we wish that we could be as direct as an eight can be now what's ironic enough is a two not to go too in depth but a two goes to an eight in stress.
33:59
SPEAKER_03: Yes and I think that's more of the rigid you know the rigid side um but when you've had enough correct oh yeah and and then I I become and I've thinking back I'm like gosh I have been like almost micromanagey before when I get stressed out about something I got I gotta own the situation.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:18
SPEAKER_03: And um but I think that's something that's like really cool about the challenger is they they challenge exactly what it says is they challenge you.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: Um they're not gonna do it for you at all.
34:31
SPEAKER_03: So don't expect to go to an eight unless they're feeling super healthy.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Because our healthy number is a two.
34:38
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: So in health we go to two.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: Where we feel more I have experienced this where I feel way more helpful or like I want to help.
34:49
SPEAKER_00: Definitely um but yeah on a daily basis an eight is not gonna do anything for you.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: And even if I'm in a healthy state of mind, I'm still not gonna like do it for you.
34:59
SPEAKER_03: Yes and that's what I was saying.
35:00
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes an eight will never do it for you.
35:02
SPEAKER_03: I had to correct him even though he was right that's another eight words what is the word we always used um not control but um I forgot what the word we used was but you definitely an eight loves to control the situation.
35:18
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
35:19
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's also comes from the challenging yes yeah um but it's like we were talking before when we're two the the dynamic you and I have is just it's so great and it works so well together.
35:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:33
SPEAKER_03: And you know I think that's because most days when we're not stressed out and we're able to work together and not be stressed out.
35:40
SPEAKER_03: Yeah we're able to be our healthy selves.
35:43
SPEAKER_03: So you know I'm uh this podcast wouldn't be what it is it wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for you.
35:51
SPEAKER_03: So you know we've really you challenged me to get it up and roll running and you kind of took it and you know we uh you're the reason that it's up and rolling.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: I it was just a pipe dream a couple of years ago and then you said hey Landa we're gonna do this.
36:07
SPEAKER_03: Well so got my button gear.
36:08
SPEAKER_00: Look at us we're doing it.
36:09
SPEAKER_03: I know and I'm absolutely loving it.
36:12
SPEAKER_03: I you know what's what's so funny is I did it because I wanted to be able to help people like and just get w the processes in my mind out there.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: A true to you know wanting to help Landon's whole purpose or sole purpose of being with this podcast is to help people and mine is to share my opinions.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Well you know such on point with the Enneagram one in the same on point with our Enneagram that's what a good culture is oh my gosh that's so funny.
36:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah um no but I it's just eights again I I absolutely love the eight even though if I didn't understand them um I would have a hard time yeah and you know there's there's definitely uh the unhealthy attributes um just as a two just as a three four five all of them um but if you I feel like another thing about the eights and we talked about touched on this a little um earlier is the loyal part they find loyalty so important and it's really it's hard to break the loyalty but once it's broken I feel like there's no coming back.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I think it's hard for us to trust because our main our core motivator is to protect ourselves and so it's hard for us to trust people and let them in and so when we finally do, we are extremely loyal to them and it me if we let somebody in, it means that we believe that they are loyal to us.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: And so if that gets compromised for any reason it's very very hard like I think I I used to always tell my husband like I'm not a grudge holder but I because I can forgive very easily but I never forget things.
38:03
SPEAKER_00: And so for me it's like I'll remember something that happened way back in the day and I'm not mad about it anymore.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: But I won't forget about it.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's just like an eight thing.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: It's just always I'm always looking to protect myself above all else.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Definitely so that can be hard in like a business setting because well in a leadership position it's a little bit easier because me protecting myself I see me and the business as like one and the same.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: So if I'm protecting the business I'm protecting myself with my role.
38:39
SPEAKER_00: So it's a little bit easier but if you have um we have an eight on our team and she's fabulous um and she honest to God she's like incredible at what she does and I just I love her so much and she has a lot of opinions that are different from mine a lot of the time but I think because I know where she's coming from or I know what what her core motivator is I have um I'm able to have like really good conversations with her because I can re you know I can relate.
39:15
SPEAKER_00: Um and so I don't know where I was going with that point.
39:18
SPEAKER_03: Well she's gonna tell you straight up and so that's probably the reason that it's so easy to relate.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: That's true because we do like people that tell us straight up as well even if it's different from our opinion like I just want your opinion.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that drives me crazy.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I'll get off my my tangent.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: But the thing that drives me crazy is like you know if so if you're a team member listening and you have an eight as like a leader or even on your team as a collaborator it drives me insane when I know people are disagree with me but they won't say what it is that they disagree on.
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Like Landon.
39:54
SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say she's calling me out.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: Like Landon I'll look at him and I'll say hey XYZ what do you think?
40:02
SPEAKER_00: And he just smiles at me and he says I like it when I know he doesn't like it.
40:08
SPEAKER_03: Well after you call me out a couple times then I'll give you my opinion but anyway give an eight your direct feedback.
40:14
SPEAKER_03: Correct they will they will appreciate that a lot more all right we'll have to save the rest for the series I have a great question I'm gonna ask you but can't wait.
40:23
SPEAKER_03: If we do the series we'll do that.
40:26
SPEAKER_03: All right and then the last one the peacemaker number nine um nines are so important too you know I and I think like obviously you you can't navigate based on you know Enneagram number like and you can't get who is going to come on your team.
40:43
SPEAKER_03: But just having a well balanced team of all the Enneagram numbers is so great.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah well and I think it it's a reminder that you want people that are different from you when you're hiring.
40:56
SPEAKER_03: Definitely well that's that was going to be my question is would you rather have a team full of eights?
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh I mean so I feel like eights okay we have like I can go off on a tangent about this but I'll answer as quickly as I can.
41:12
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
41:13
SPEAKER_00: Um I feel like eights the only thing that is similar for eights is the fact that they value direct feedback that they have very strong opinions and that they like to control.
41:28
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
41:29
SPEAKER_03: So I don't think anything will ever get done unless we all agree.
41:34
SPEAKER_03: And when is that going to happen?
41:36
SPEAKER_00: Well okay well me and the eight on our team agree very frequently logical people I will say no yes so even if you disagree on something you can come to a compromise.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: So you know I would love a team of all eights but I do value I love the dynamic that a well-rounded team can provide.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: So like if if we had a team of all eights, I don't think anyone would want to work with us.
42:06
SPEAKER_00: Like you as a two bring such a balance.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
42:09
SPEAKER_00: And if we had a team of all eights we'd we'd do something really quickly and then quickly realize it wasn't a good idea and then we'd have to pivot whereas you know a six comes in and they can tell us where all the holes will be.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: So you know it's a beautiful it's a beautiful just beautiful thing to be dynamic.
42:29
SPEAKER_03: A team full of twos we'd never get anything done because we'd just be helping each other.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Y'all would just be crying like literally I can't y'all be crying now we're hearing the real feelings towards the two yeah yeah it's a lot of tears.
42:42
SPEAKER_03: It's happy tears though.
42:44
SPEAKER_03: Not all the time have you ever watched like Titanic and cried a nice tear.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: I've never if if a movie does make me emotional which I do have emotions I just think about something else.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't cry fair really unless I'm mad which is a core trait of anything mad yeah um but yeah y'all would yeah y'all would just be crying that I think twos okay sorry sorry we we love our nines are very important.
43:18
SPEAKER_03: Yes they are um they really bring the balance um but they also they're they remind me a lot of twos I think um sometimes if I guess somebody's a two or a nine and they're and they're opposite I'm like okay that's fine because you know they're close enough anyway.
43:36
SPEAKER_03: But nines really not necessarily the helper and sometimes twos can be like too much of a helper and then it doesn't create the peace.
43:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:45
SPEAKER_03: But the nines are going to do whatever's going to create the peace.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
43:48
SPEAKER_00: They're very calming.
43:49
SPEAKER_03: Yes yes that's a good word for them they they bring the gentle calming in the atmosphere um they're probably the quiet one um amongst Everyone.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: Um Do you think so?
44:03
SPEAKER_03: I do.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:06
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:09
SPEAKER_03: I I I think, you know, until the situation arises to where they're creating the piece.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Are you saying like they're quiet in instances where there are different opinions coming out?
44:21
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
44:22
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
44:23
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
44:23
SPEAKER_03: Um, because they're not so thank you.
44:26
SPEAKER_03: Yes, that is exactly okay.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes.
44:31
SPEAKER_03: So um not to say that they're like introverted or like anything like that.
44:35
SPEAKER_00: I thought that's what you were meaning at first.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: Because the the nine on our team is she's a lot of fun and she's very sweet, and but she can talk to anybody.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:45
SPEAKER_03: No, like 100%.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: Anybody.
44:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, but if if arguments arise or an uncomfortable situation, then they'll crawl into their show.
44:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:54
SPEAKER_03: So um but yeah, no, they they really bring balance, I think is another good word.
45:00
SPEAKER_03: Calming and balance is a great word to describe them.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: They they just want peace and harmony.
45:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: For every everyone to get along and be calm.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they also they just bring a lot of um what is the energy like maternal energy?
45:28
SPEAKER_00: I mean not like obviously a male can be more loving and like peaceful.
45:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it maternal is probably not the best word to use, but I mean just very nurturing.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: There we go.
45:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that's the word.
45:42
SPEAKER_03: They are the nines I know are very nurturing individuals for sure.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: That's that's a very great way to describe them.
45:48
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:49
SPEAKER_03: Um the uh the moms of the group, I guess, huh?
45:53
SPEAKER_03: Or maybe you know, when you have like the mom, they take care of you.
45:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I guess I could see that.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Depends on your mom.
46:00
SPEAKER_03: True, that's true.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I am sometimes called the mom of my group, but I it's I think it's because I'm like bossy.
46:08
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and the leader.
46:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I could see that too.
46:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: So I guess it depends.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, may maybe I'm nurturing.
46:14
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
46:15
SPEAKER_00: You will be.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we'll see.
46:20
SPEAKER_03: So, um, but yeah, no, those are the numbers.
46:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
46:24
SPEAKER_03: The Enneagram numbers.
46:25
SPEAKER_03: Um such a, you know, great foundation for the culture.
46:30
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:31
SPEAKER_00: And we definitely have way more to get into as far as culture goes and like creating accountability.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: Um because like I said, I think there has to be a balance between the two of like, yes, I want to, you know, create this environment where I do know everyone's Enneagram, so I can be, you know, I can understand their perspectives and their strengths and weaknesses and how they're interacting when they're stressed and when they're healthy.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, but at the same time, how do I hold everyone accountable equally?
47:07
SPEAKER_00: And that's very hard.
47:09
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
47:09
SPEAKER_03: And that's, you know, leadership in itself.
47:12
SPEAKER_03: Um making sure I think equally is the uh the key word there.
47:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:19
SPEAKER_03: Um because it's very simple and and just based on who you are as a person and like how you're feeling that day, it's it's it's sometimes easy to let one thing slide one day and then you know, another day, it's not, you know, it's just the one thing that's irking you.
47:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
47:36
SPEAKER_03: So I've definitely experienced that as a leader and you know, gotta make sure that you have that balance so your team members feel that you know everyone's being treated the same and um and held to the same standards.
47:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's hard.
47:51
SPEAKER_00: I think it's really we can get into the nitty-gritty like throughout the we can do like maybe a whole leadership series on different soft skills and things.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, the Enneagram is a great place to start.
48:06
SPEAKER_00: And if you don't know much about it, I would definitely recommend kind of researching, deep diving into that, getting familiar with the numbers and really put effort into it because a lot of a lot of the time we'll say, Oh, hey, we have we do the Enneagram in our office, but do you actually is the thing.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: So do you actually use it in your day-to-day?
48:31
SPEAKER_00: Um one thing that we did, which I think is really great, is at everyone's desk, there's like a little number plaque with their uh Enneagram number and like core desires.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: And so it's just a good daily reminder.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Like when you walk up to somebody's desk, you see it.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: So it's like, okay.
48:51
SPEAKER_03: You're already putting yourself in that mentality.
48:53
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
48:53
SPEAKER_03: Okay, how do I need to say this?
48:55
SPEAKER_03: How am I gonna receive information?
48:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, because that's what it really is.
48:59
SPEAKER_03: And you know, you said you have to really do it intently, intentionally, should I say.
49:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, otherwise there's you know, oh, I'm a two.
49:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay, but what does that mean?
49:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:12
SPEAKER_03: You know, I've taken so many, I took the disc assessment at Disney, and um, you know, there there's so many out there that I feel like, especially in leadership positions, they're like, oh, take this, take that, take this.
49:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_03: And you're like, okay, cool, I'm a INFG or whatever the alphabet is for that.
49:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't know mine, obviously.
49:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, but there there's so many that you take and then you kind of forget them.
49:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, I would say this is the first one that I've actually really put some thought and effort into, and it's really changed me as a leader, it's changed me as an individual.
49:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:46
SPEAKER_03: Um, and the cool thing about the Enneagram is it's not just for work.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
49:52
SPEAKER_03: It's, you know, personal lives too.
49:54
SPEAKER_03: Um, between, you know, you spoke to your husband, he's a one.
49:58
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, whether it's your kids, whether it's your parents, just understanding one another and the communication styles and um where you're coming from.
50:09
SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, we talked about perception as everything.
50:12
SPEAKER_03: And so uh, you know, the way that you perceive information is a huge key part to actually understanding the intent behind what you're trying to say.
50:23
SPEAKER_00: Yes, for sure.
50:24
SPEAKER_00: And I think leadership and culture starts with the people that are in charge.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
50:30
SPEAKER_00: So if you're somebody that is a leader or you're in charge of somebody else, um do your homework.
50:37
SPEAKER_00: Your homework will be if you're not familiar with the Enneagram to listen, obviously, to this episode, which you're doing.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: And then deep dive into it.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: Um so many resources.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: Integrative nine is like my favorite.
50:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: So we can link that.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: But I really love just you have to start with a foundation of like understanding the Enneagram numbers and then implementing them with your team.
51:05
SPEAKER_03: No, definitely.
51:07
SPEAKER_03: And um I I think, you know, even if you're not necessarily like in an in-charge position, you don't have direct reports, um, you can still be a leader of culture in your team.
51:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:20
SPEAKER_03: And you know, everyone is correct.
51:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:22
SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, doing a deep dive into this and just really understanding it and then being able to go to your team and use it.
51:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, one is gonna help develop leadership skills, two, it's gonna help develop communication skills.
51:37
SPEAKER_03: So if one day you do want direct reports, um, you know, you're gonna be set up for success.
51:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:44
SPEAKER_00: Soft skills.
51:45
SPEAKER_03: That's that's the world.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: Those are my favorite.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: We'll have to do a whole podcast episode on soft skills.
51:51
SPEAKER_03: You know, I love me some soft skills.
51:52
SPEAKER_00: We love it.
51:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay, awesome.
51:54
SPEAKER_00: Sounds funny.
51:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely.
51:56
SPEAKER_03: Well, thanks for listening, guys.
51:58
SPEAKER_03: Check out the link below and we'll see you next episode.
52:01
SPEAKER_03: Bye.