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laced up let's go it's time for banter with the
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boys Welcome back to Banter with the Boys. Gridiron
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updates our week 17 preview and picks. Roberto
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is over here punching the air. He's so excited
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for week 17. Hey, I'm going to the game, baby.
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This is going to be exciting. It's fun. On Christmas
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Day. Yeah. On Christmas Day to see the Vikes
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play. Yeah. Whiteout. Nice. Excited. Good to
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see Max. Throw some tighties. Hey. It's got to
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happen sometimes. Two new Jedis just catching
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sideline toe tappers. Okay. A couple of nice
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ones last week. So I'm fired up. Fired up. Roberto's
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fired up. He's here. Jake's here. The co -host.
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What's up, Jake? Yo. Yo. Yeah, he's super excited.
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I'm super excited for just good football. There
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it is. Which we got some good games coming up
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that we're going to talk about. Of course, I'm
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smelty here as well. Coach. Kev behind the camera.
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Kev. As always, you know what it is. Let's start
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with our first game, which is happening. Wow,
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we're going out of order here, but that's all
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right. It's going to be the Chargers taking on
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the Houston Texans on Saturday. I wish they were
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still in San Diego. I hate L .A. Kind of over
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the whole L .A. BS. It's a nice stadium. Yeah.
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I haven't been to it. I'm sure if I get out there,
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I'll be like, oh, yeah, this is sweet. It's mildly
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unique for a dome if we want to go down there.
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100 % it is. That's the only thing. Write that
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down. You could argue that. It is mildly unique
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compared to the other domes that are out there.
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It's pretty much an awning, isn't it? Kind of.
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Yeah. Like a gigantic one. It's a giant breezeway.
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It's a giant carport. Oh, boy. Anyway, so Chargers
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taking on Houston. Yeah, that's going to happen.
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That should be a doozy. I mean, the Texans are
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kind of turning the straps. Yeah, no doubt. I
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mean, the Texans are turning this thing around.
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Their defenses came alive the past few weeks,
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playing pretty well. Seven straight. Is that
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what they're at now? Yes. Shoot. Seven and one
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in their last eight. Chargers, though, favored
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by two. Are they? That's a home team thing. No,
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you're right. Two and a half. I see two and a
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half. Well, it's still their favorite. Yeah.
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Still trying to, Chargers still trying to battle
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to try to take the division lead away from the
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Broncos. I feel like you're leaning Chargers.
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Oh, me? Who, me? Yeah, you're a homer. Spitting
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homer. Let's hear it. I don't know. I think Houston
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is actually. has a real good shot of still winning
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their division, even with Jacksonville winning
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a huge game. And as you know, I've been a real
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big, I'm not even a Jacksonville fan, but I've
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been really on their wagon this year. You bring
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sunshine, clouds to the sunshine's day. No, no.
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Yeah. I don't bring clouds to the sun's day.
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Yeah, you do. No, I don't. I'm not a fan of him.
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What do you mean? What? I was talking to you
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all, but like every game, though, I was like,
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he's got to have it this game. He's got to have
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it. Yeah, he's got to have it. I don't know.
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But anyway. I haven't heard a single Duval from
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you all season. You know what's funny is in the
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recap episode, I was going to be like, do the
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Coen's Duval. Duval. So ugly. Anyway. All right.
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We're getting off base here. Oh, man. Houston
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versus Chargers. Base is loaded. We'll count.
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Which way are you going? I think the Chargers
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are hot as well right now. So they're going to
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go ahead and win this one at home and put a little
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pressure on Denver and see if they can go ahead
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and sneak away with this division. I can't remember
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who Denver plays. They play the Chiefs. That's
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right. Yeah. So they're probably going to dog
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walk them. should lock up the division, I believe,
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no matter what the outcome of the Chargers. You
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would be correct. Because then we talked about
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the Chargers in an earlier episode, whether they
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sit everybody against the Patriots. Yeah. Against
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the Broncos. Broncos. Because they play the Broncos.
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But if the Broncos beat the Chiefs, then it really
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doesn't matter. So either way, I'm going Chargers
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here. Oh, God, does that make me want to change
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it, though? Well, you should hear what Robin
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and I have to say. Then you'll change your mind.
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No, I'm going Chargers. I mean, again, Houston's
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defense is playing outside. outstanding so and
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they're playing outstanding right before the
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playoffs coach off yeah i'm gonna shut up i got
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texans um yeah yeah texans are hot woody marks
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is figuring out the the ground game and they're
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doing a really good job of uh getting him the
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football he's pushing the pile uh cj stroud is
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getting hot at the right time and uh nico collins
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is healthy he playing nice the uh The Texans
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front four, they're absolute monsters in just
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getting after the quarterback. Herbert's going
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to take his lumps. They're going to stop the
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run. It's Texans. Texans. Texans. Roberto. Yeah,
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it's really interesting how the Chargers have
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still been surviving with both tackles out, two
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running backs. I'm worried about the tackles
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out. They do have Hampton back now. Yep. But
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against this team, against Hunter and Will Anderson,
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and I don't see how the Chargers are going to
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get it done. Texans are just hot right now. So
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I'm going with the Houston Texans with a slight
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victory. It's going to be really interesting.
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They're allowing the least amount of points,
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16 .6 points a game. I mean, that's pretty solid.
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Yeah, that kind of defense wins you Super Bowls
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or at least gets you deep into the playoffs.
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And fun fact, Texans' first ever franchise win
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was against the Chargers. So that's the difference.
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That's the difference. History is on the Texans'
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side. There it is. It's on the Texans' side.
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All right. Our next game. which is the one we
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probably should have let off with because it's
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happening first, but that's okay. The Detroit
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Lions traveling to take on the Minnesota Vikings
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on Christmas Day. Roberto, why don't you go first?
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Well, obviously, nine. Nine is out. Detroit favored
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seven and a half. Wish they should be favored.
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It's going to be really interesting to see what
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the Vikings do against that banged up Detroit
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Lions secondary. To stay in the game, they definitely
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need to take advantage there. I feel like Max
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slowed down a little bit last week in there.
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He was a little less calm with his feet and wasn't
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throwing 150 mile an hour fastballs in every
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single direction. So they obviously need to get
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the running game started, take a little pressure
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off him. Defense is, I mean, they kind of struggle
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against the Lions. Gibbs is really, especially
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last year. But the defense is playing better.
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Defense played well last year going into that
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game, too. And Gibbs went crazy on them. But
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I think the Vikings got something special rolling
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right now. And the Lions have been kind of slipping.
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I bet you the locker rooms, you know. The proverbial,
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I guess, in baseball, holding too tight on the
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bat right now. They feel like the season's slipping
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away. Sure. I mean, it is. It is. So that's why
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I think the Vikings might have a chip and a chair
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to stay in this game. And we're going to go with
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a 16 to 15 type of win. 16 to 15 type of win.
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So the last, like, three Vikings games have gone
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that way, right? Yeah. Yeah, I got to go with
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the Vikes, too. Max Brosner's going to get a
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win here as the starter. Let's see. Yeah. No,
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no, it's not going to happen this week. I was
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like, Judd is going to get to 1 ,000 yards this
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week. Nah, it'll happen in the last week of the
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season. He's down to what, 80? 83. We need 83
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yards to reach 1 ,000. That's kind of what I'm
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keeping an eye on at the moment. So you're saying
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there's a chance. I'm saying there's a chance.
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Obviously, Detroit needs to win this game to
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even keep their hopes alive right now. And I
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just, I don't know. I think the Vikes will do
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just enough to end Detroit's season for them.
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He's going Detroit. Interesting picks. I don't
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care. Here comes reality into the conversation.
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I think we're going to see. Probably as close
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to an unhinged Dan Campbell offensive play calling
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as you're probably going to see all year. Punters
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just might as well not even dress. Yeah, exactly.
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Just like sit your punter and just suit up another
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skilled position player offensive line. Why not?
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Yeah. I think teams have done a really good job
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of identifying how to stop Detroit. And it's
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really bottling up Gibbs and Montgomery is if
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you can stop. them it pretty much that that whole
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offense just slows down it forces everything
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to say brown so uh b flow uh i again mad respect
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for b flow as a defensive coordinator and he'll
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be able to scheme i believe he's going to scheme
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well enough to slow it down um i think it'll
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be closer than the spread suggests but i'm taking
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detroit but i would i would Take Minnesota to
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beat the spread. To beat the spread. Okay. Fair
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enough. I think that's fair. What do we got here?
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Game three. Game three. The Philadelphia Eagles
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taking on the Buffalo Bills in Buffalo. Potential
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Super Bowl matchup. Who knows? It could happen.
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Yeah. Bills fans are hoping it happens, at least
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on their side of the things here. You know what?
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We're going to go with you first, Jake. Oh, boy.
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I love this. Both these teams are, I mean, it's
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a shot that they've got. I thought you were going
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to say the other S word there. Both of these
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teams still have a chance at first seed, I think.
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Maybe Buffalo still does. Philly, no. No? No.
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Oh. First seed's going to come out of the West.
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I mean, there's probably a math, maybe, but two
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teams have to lose out. Yeah, both of these teams
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still have a lot to play for as far as playoff
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seeding goes. Slugfest, potential Super Bowl.
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Buffalo, for sure, could still win their division.
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Potential Super Bowl teaser for you. I'm not
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sold on the consistency of the Eagles. They're
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always up and down. We've seen the Bills over
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the last few weeks. Their offense looked really
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good. Send it through James Cook. And then Josh
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Allen has just been stepping in when necessary
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or at key moments to put on the Superman cloak
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instead of being Superman from the get -go. And
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he is playing this week. There were concerns.
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Yep. And the Bills are at home, so give me Buffalo.
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Give you Buffalo at home? Give me Buffalo at
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home. All right. You know. You want to jump through
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the table, too. You do make a lot of great points
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about the Eagles. I think the games that the
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Eagles have lost as of late, they have been battling
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in them, but they're not overpowering. But I
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don't know. Something about that defense, I think
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they're going to be with Josh Allen. He's good
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to go. He's going to play, but his foot is hurt.
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I don't think he's – we'll see. Like he likes
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to do. He does put the team on his back. I don't
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think he's going to run as much as we're used
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to. Maybe try to protect the foot for the longevity
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or a deep playoff run. So that could be a factor.
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But you got James Cook back there, too. Oh, gosh.
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He'd be nice. I got to go with the Eagles defense
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on this one. I think the Eagles defense is going
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to do just enough. God, this is going to be a
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great game. This is Sunday afternoon. It's going
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to be a great game. Huh? Is Carter playing? Jalen?
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Jalen Carter? Did he play last week? He's questionable
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currently with his shoulder injury. N 'Kobe Dean
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is also questionable with his hamstring yet.
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Josh Allen's questionable, but he's going to
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play. Yeah, I'm assuming. This is a big game.
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For both teams. Again, I think this is a great
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litmus test on how deep either one of these teams
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could actually take this thing. But I got to
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go Eagles here. I mean, at the beginning of the
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season, this would have been two teams we could
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have said, yeah, we could see them meeting in
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the Super Bowl and no one would have really questioned
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us. And they're still here in that situation.
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They're both still here. I would say the Eagles
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have been struggling a little bit. I don't know
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if it's more Jalen is not quite seeing the field
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as well. And their attempts to get Barkley going,
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I think, has been a little bit more of a struggle.
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So they've been a little more. predictable i
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think you know to play against and so um and
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also jalen doesn't run as really as much as he
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has in the past healthy so maybe that's the issue
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or maybe he just you know i mean what year is
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he now you're four or five he's 27 years old
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27 you know six so I'm going to go with Buffalo,
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though. I just have a feeling it's at home. I
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think this is going to be an epic game. I could
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see 35 -31. High -scoring game. High -scoring
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game. If Buffalo doesn't get their running attack
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going, though, I could see the Eagles sneaking
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one out here. Which you'd think they could. I
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mean, that's why I'm at it with Carter. Jalen
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Carter did not play the last three games. So,
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like, if he's available in the middle, he's that
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difference maker for the Eagles defense where
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they become from an average defense to a legit,
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you know, tough out. He can eat three James Cooks
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for lunch. Exactly. So, yeah. But I'm going to
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circle the wagons, get the peep -pews out. This
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is for the Bills. All right. All right. Fair
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enough. Fair enough. Next game here. Sunday Night
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Football. Chicago traveling to San Francisco.
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Sunday. Another great. This is another great
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game, honestly. And another game. We should go
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live on that so people could listen to us instead
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of Collinsworth. Listen. Chris Collinsworth.
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Actually, in this game, we'll have Chris Collinsworth's
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next victim, if you will, when he starts cheating
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on Mahomes with Caleb Williams. Because Caleb
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Williams is doing a lot of Mahomes -esque things.
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What's the plus or minus? How many times have
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you referenced it? Should we go one and a half?
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That's exactly what we see Mahomes doing. All
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right, we're setting it at one and a half. What
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are you taking, over or under? Over. Of comparing
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Mahomes and Caleb Williams? Over. Okay. Over.
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Over, under, whatever. I'll take the under. Okay.
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Whoa. All right, all right, all right. He's not
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a, okay. Mark that down. Interesting. Mark that
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down. All right, Chicago San Fran. Yeah, Jake,
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why don't you start again? Screw it. I've been
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super pumped about and hyping the Bears the last
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few weeks. Yeah, buddy. Oh, so he's not going
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with them. Right. That's right. I'm not going
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to go with them this week because they've got
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an amazing run game still going right now. Caleb
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Williams is figuring it out. He's hard to bring
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down, making plays down the field. He threw that
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dime to DJ Moore in overtime. He couldn't have
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put it any better. That pass was practically
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impossible. Elite arm talent. Yeah. And that
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defense is stout. They bend. They don't break.
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They're doing everything right. But I am picking
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the 49ers. Shanahan and Sala with as many injuries
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to star players as they've had. The fact that
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they're still in contention for the first seed
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in the NFC is mind -blowing. Strength of schedule
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helps. So there's... there's something to be
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said about that coaching staff and what they're
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doing to get the players hyped up, ready to go.
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CMC tore it up again last night. So he's still
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hot. You can only hope to contain him for so
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long before he's going to bust it loose again.
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So give me Niners over Bears, and I'll apologize
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to my wife later for that. Niners over Bears.
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Yeah, I mean, you mentioned CMC. I think that's
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going to be a key aspect to this game. Like you
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mentioned last night, dude just looks absolutely
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unstoppable. Coach is different. I mean, he's
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100%. He reminds me of him and Jameer Gibbs are
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very similar play styles. I mean, very slippery
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guys to get down. You get them in the pass game.
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You can throw Saquon in there, too. You get them
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in the pass game. It's like, oh, look how they
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can make guys miss. They have that quick twitch,
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quick acceleration. I hate that so much if I'm
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playing against it. So I think that's the biggest
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factor for me. Can the Bears actually stop CMC?
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Like Franklin was lost last night on the Colts
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defense. Yeah. Because you're going to get Edwards.
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Edwards is going to match up against him. Who's
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the other linebacker? I can't think of his name
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offhand. And then Brisker probably. Their safety
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will be another matchup against them. I like
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Brisker. But that's who's going to be matching
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up against him. 100%. I think that's a great
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matchup. But that's where you get Kittle working
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the one -two punch. As much as I like Brisker,
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if it's CMC versus Brisker, CMC is winning that
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all day. It's way too fast. So I do got to go
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Bears, though. Again, I think. We almost talked
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about it. Nope. You almost got me, Skippy. But
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Caleb Williams is truly turning into a great
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quarterback. No, but he's starting to make plays
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when it matters. You know what I mean? He's doing
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enough to keep him in the game, but when it actually
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starts to matter, when it gets down to it, he's
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starting to make those plays. And it's more than
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just last week. It's been a whole season worth
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of that. and I can't wait to watch this game.
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It's going to be incredible. But I got to go
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to the Bears. I think it's going to be close.
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So, I mean, this is a 24 -21 game for me. Ooh,
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which would be an under because it's at 50 points.
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One of the highest totals of the week. I didn't
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look at that. 60 % probability win for the 49ers,
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which I am going with. Brock's cooking right
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now. He's playing well. I really like what they're
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doing on offense. Obviously, McCaffrey. sorry
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my buddy was over watching that game last night
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he's like damn brock's got some cake i was like
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what yeah he's not wrong but he is cooking sorry
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i just thought of that and they're just stretching
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the field with those receivers so well and then
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they're just eating them up underneath and then
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when they kind of bring it down to stop the underneath
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that's when they're going over the top and jennings
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is lighting them up even uh who's the other guy
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uh number five was a palm not palmer Caught a
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nice deep post against yesterday. Demarcus Robinson?
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Yes. That's number five. You'd be correct. But,
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yeah, it'll be interesting against the 49ers
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young defense. Like you said, all their superstars
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are out. So it's pretty much the young crew.
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I think eight new starters I think we've been
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talking about all year long. And Robert Sala,
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like you said, has got them playing excellent.
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So this is going to be a high. I'm thinking like
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35 -31. But 49ers are going to sneak it out late
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with a, let's go, Kittle touchdown. To win it.
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Kittle touchdown to win it. Yeah. Gimping across
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the old line. Gimping across the old line. Unbelievable.
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He'll get up and eat the football. He probably
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will. Fiber. Routine. All right. All right. All
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right. Let's move to our last game here. Seattle
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Seahawks traveling to the Carolina Panthers.
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The 12 and three Seahawks traveling to the eight
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and seven Panthers. Let's get one. If you look
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at that, you're like. Or sea chickens, yeah,
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sorry. I like calling them sea chickens. I've
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been slacking on that. I feel like most people
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will be like, eh, this isn't really a game, but...
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I beg to differ. I think the Panthers have a
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lot to play, and both teams have a lot to play
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for. Seattle trying to lock up that one seed.
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Panthers trying to win the division, which I
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don't know if anybody picked them to win the
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division. Not on my big card this year, no. Like
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any analyst anywhere. I don't think anybody talked
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about Carolina winning the division. I got a
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7 -9 -ish. And they just beat Tampa Bay. A couple
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weeks ago, they beat the Rams. I'm playing Carolina
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Panthers here to upset the sea chickens and make
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it really interesting heading into week 18 for
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the sea chickens to lock up that one against
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your team. What? I'm a huge. I'm in the NFL would
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love that. I'm a huge supporter of Kemba Walker,
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but outside of that, Seahawks are not. Well,
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I like JSN too. And Charbonnet is fine. So I
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got like a couple of guys on there, but. But
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you think the NFL would like that better, huh?
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Oh, for sure. Coming down to the last week. Yeah,
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if you have multiple teams up on top with multiple
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different outcomes, depending on which game of
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this does that. Panthers win because Seattle
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plays the 49ers next week. 100%. So that's why
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you're saying Panthers win. No, I'm saying. So
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get ready to question the officiating. That's
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what you're saying. I didn't say that, but yeah.
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I mean, Seattle's favored by seven here, and
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it'll be interesting to see if this last week,
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that kind of late, you know. opportunity we'll
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say for the sea chickens to win that game against
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the rams whether it gets their offense going
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because their offense has really been struggling
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the last four weeks defense had been playing
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out of their mind and keeping them in a lot of
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games playing well yeah so carolina though they
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i think they got a little more of an unsung defense
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than you know most people really don't know about
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in the league that's been playing you know pretty
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decent offenses have been horrible and exactly
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uh the old uh first round draft pick number one
23:27
overall is looking okay that first round draft
23:31
pick mac on the outside has been a nice weapon
23:34
in the uh red zone for him kind of uh hey i don't
23:38
got anyone open i got him one -on -one like i
23:40
can toss it his direction with confidence yeah
23:43
and uh had a great season over a thousand yards
23:46
exactly so the key for carolina is to get that
23:49
running game going which nobody has against seattle
23:52
this year so that's why i'm picking seattle okay
23:54
there it is that's key right there carolina's
23:57
gotta get their running game going it's a stout
23:59
seattle defense i'm just gonna say ditto to rob
24:03
i think you kind of hit everything on the head
24:06
there as far as what it's going to take for carolina
24:09
to win um and seattle's just Got a better running
24:13
back combination. Sam Darnold, while throwing
24:18
two picks, looked pretty pedestrian against the
24:21
Rams. Still managed to get his team to win. Is
24:27
that two -point conversion in overtime? Sick.
24:31
That whole drive. Yeah. So Darnold's got it.
24:36
We've seen it last year. He has the ability to
24:39
do it. The running back tandem, JSN, I still
24:42
think he's your offensive player of the year.
24:44
I would not disagree. Even though there's been
24:48
a decline in his productivity over the last few
24:51
weeks, I think he's finally getting the respect
24:53
that he deserves and seeing a lot more double
24:55
coverage. For sure. But again, just the way that
24:59
Seahawks defense plays is coached up. I saw it
25:05
essentially in Baltimore when Mike McDonald was
25:10
defensive coordinator for the Ravens there. They
25:13
play really stout. Give me sea chickens for the
25:18
win. Sea chickens for the win. Put it in a can.
25:21
Sea chickens for the win. Well, that'll do it
25:25
for our picks there. I forgot to mention, I was
25:29
telling you, I think in the tent talk episode.
25:34
He's testing us. No, but I'm pretty sure on that
25:38
episode I said something about Dak Prescott,
25:40
and I forgot to mention it. Yep. What's your
25:41
question? It's a statement. What's your statement?
25:44
It's a statement. I think Dak Prescott should
25:49
play for the Minnesota Vikings. Oh. Trade him
25:53
for JJ straight up? Nine. No way they'd trade
25:56
him straight up. We'd have to throw something
25:57
else in there. Oh, for sure. You'd have to throw
25:58
a lot. I don't know if we could even afford him,
26:00
could we? Well, that's just it. There's been
26:02
rumors about Joe Burrow, Dak Prescott, Lamar
26:04
Jackson. I just heard rumors, too, going to the
26:06
Vikes. I'm like, I don't think they can afford
26:08
any of those guys. You'd have to trade Jettos.
26:11
Yeah, and dump a lot of those veterans that we
26:14
picked up, like Allen. I think a lot of them
26:16
are getting dumped anyway. Just wanted to throw
26:18
it out there. Okay. I think he'd be interesting
26:20
enough. Hargrave, gone. Harrison Smith, retire.
26:27
Will Fries, Kelly. Will Fries stays. Kelly, gone.
26:32
I think there's going to be some money there.
26:33
Not enough for a big -time quarterback. We could
26:38
go deep here on the Vikings. I'm just saying.
26:41
I would still be fine with J .J. McCarthy starting
26:44
next season. I am. But it's like, dude's got
26:48
his best ability is availability. And I can respect
26:51
what Kweisi's trying to do, build around the
26:52
rookie contract. But it's tough. Anyway, sorry.
26:56
Yeah, we're going to talk about the likes. And
26:58
nobody wants to hear that. So Jake, thanks for
27:02
being here, man. Thanks for having me. You're
27:03
the best, Jake. I try. Roberto. What's up, coach?
27:10
What's up? Thanks. No, we're leaving. So bye.
27:12
Yeah, but no, not yet. Uh, Kev, thanks for being
27:15
here. Of course, as always, like he has a choice.
27:17
Uh, me smelled. See, thanks for being here. You're
27:20
welcome. Okay. Uh, let's see. Don't forget to
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27:31
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27:38
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