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Lipstick, High Heels & Purse Only Clues as TV Star Jodi Huisentruit Vanishes, Documents Unsealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful and beloved news
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Speaker 1: anchor seemingly vanishes on her way to the newsroom for
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Speaker 1: her morning appearance on air. But now her family, grieving
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Speaker 1: share a new and very disturbing theory. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Before dawn. In the early morning on June twenty seven,
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Speaker 1: Jody Who's in Truth, woke up by the phone ringing.
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Speaker 1: The twenty seven year old was groggy and disoriented. She
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Speaker 1: reached for the receiver in her Mason City, Iowa apartment.
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Speaker 1: On the other end, her producer at KIMT News, who
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Speaker 1: told her it was past four am. She needed to
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Speaker 1: hurry and get into the newsroom. Who's the Truth did hurry,
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Speaker 1: got together and raced out to her car. She was
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Speaker 1: due on air within the hour for her morning show
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Speaker 1: called Daybreak, But when the producer, Amy Kuons tried again
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Speaker 1: to call Jody, she got only an answering machine, a
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Speaker 1: fill in to the air, and the search was on
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Speaker 1: for Jody Hu's instrut. In the last days, her family
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Speaker 1: reveals their stunning fear, Their fear, their gut feeling is
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Speaker 1: that someone became obsessed with Jody from watching her on TV,
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Speaker 1: thinking she's so beautiful, she's so articulate, she can be
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Speaker 1: so funny, that that is my ideal woman, according to family.
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Speaker 1: Family believes that this unknown stalker may not have intended
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Speaker 1: for Jody to die, but maybe everything just went wrong.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about those early morning hours when
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Speaker 1: Jody Who's in true seemingly vanished off the face of
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Speaker 1: the earth and what clues are left behind.
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Speaker 2: Today's forecast shows mostly windy and cool temperatures with scattered
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Speaker 2: showers are high as expected to be in the upper sixties.
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Speaker 2: The clouds will continue through this evening. Showers will end,
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Speaker 2: but the windy and cool temperatures will prevail.
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Speaker 3: Same clude State's increase enrollment.
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Speaker 2: Has not been enough to make Eastman's not Listener take
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Speaker 2: on any dramatic changes this year, but the telegrapher Marien Slater,
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Speaker 2: I am Jody who was in Truth for you TBS News.
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Speaker 1: Just hearing her voice seemingly makes this all so real.
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Speaker 1: Now you're hearing Jody's voice when she was a student
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Speaker 1: reporter at Saint Cloud University for the campus TV station,
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Speaker 1: University TV, and she went on from there to become
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Speaker 1: a rising star in the TV industry, really making her mark.
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Speaker 1: The viewers were enthralled by her. They gravitated torture, not
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Speaker 1: just because of her good looks, not just because she
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Speaker 1: was prepared and articulate, but she had a warmth about
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Speaker 1: her that seemingly went out across the airwaves to everybody watching.
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Speaker 1: Beloved in her market, until suddenly she just goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Let me introduce to you an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: help figure out where is Jody Husing Shrewd. First of all,
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Speaker 1: the tip line nine seven zero four or five eight
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Speaker 1: Jody Jodi nine seven zero four five eight five six
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Speaker 1: three four with me Jay Alberio, former Commander, Woodbury Police Department,
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Speaker 1: Investigative Unit Manager, Woodbury Public Safety, former US marine. You
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Speaker 1: can find him right now at Findjody dot com. Doctor Jorykrasin, psychologist,
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Speaker 1: Faculties Saying Leo University consultant and author of Operation SS
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Speaker 1: with me. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com and she's
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Speaker 1: the host of Today with Doctor Wendy on kcb Q,
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Speaker 1: San Diego. Investigative journalist. You can also find her at
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Speaker 1: Fine Jody dot com and she is the founder of
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Speaker 1: the Fine Jody podcast. She's also a Caroline Low TV.
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Speaker 1: Caroline Low joining us, But first to a very special
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Speaker 1: guest joining us. This is Jody's sister, Joanne Nathy. Joanne,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you again for having me, Jillianne.
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Speaker 1: It's unfathomable to me how someone that is so present
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Speaker 1: in the lives of her local TV community can just disappear.
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Speaker 1: It's like someone just cut off the TV and she's gone,
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Speaker 1: and that the end of it. It seems very very surreal.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we never, you know, anticipate anything like this ever happening.
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Speaker 4: We thought Jody would be safe in Mason City. It
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Speaker 4: wasn't that big of a community, and she just she
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Speaker 4: took a lot of safety courses and stuff, and she
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Speaker 4: she was careful, she really was. She wanted to have
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Speaker 4: a good reputation in the community. And yeah, we were
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Speaker 4: just stunned. I mean when it happened in ninety five,
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Speaker 4: and of course it's been really hard and everybody, not
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Speaker 4: just the family, it's friends. She meant a lot to
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Speaker 4: so many people.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when you first learned Jody was missing?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember it very well. What happened, well, we
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Speaker 4: were on a bus trip up north, my mom and
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Speaker 4: aunt just oh, with the group of ladies, you know,
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Speaker 4: and we were going to this casino because ninety five
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Speaker 4: the casinos well they had started prior to ninety five.
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Speaker 4: But anyway, it was going to be a fun day.
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Speaker 4: And so we were up in Walker, Minnesota, and then
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Speaker 4: they asked us to come to the room when we
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Speaker 4: got there and that there was an emergency phone call.
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Speaker 4: It was shortly after we arrived, and so we came
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Speaker 4: in and they said it's from Mason City. And right
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Speaker 4: away my mom said, oh, no, Jody. And we thought
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Speaker 4: maybe she'd been in a car accident.
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Speaker 5: That's what I thought.
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Speaker 4: And she'll be okay, you know, she'll But then when
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Speaker 4: Halverson said, oh, she's missing, Joanne, are you sitting down?
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Speaker 4: And I said missing, Well, we'll find her, you know,
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Speaker 4: there's some mistake. Why would she be missing, you know.
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Speaker 4: But then we got pretty nervous and about it all,
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Speaker 4: of course, and we left. They provided a vehicle for
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Speaker 4: us to go back to Long Purrie. They brought us.
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Speaker 4: It was quite a drive too, but yeah, it was
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Speaker 4: very hard. And then we got back and nobody had
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Speaker 4: found her, you know, by the end of the day,
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Speaker 4: and so then we were getting very worried. But we
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Speaker 4: thought it'd be that it was some kind of a mistake,
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Speaker 4: that she would be found and she'd be okay. That
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Speaker 4: was their original thought, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, to doctor Jory Kraus in psychologist Faculty, Saint Leo
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Speaker 1: University joining us doctor Drury, I know I'm projecting right now,
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Speaker 1: but I've also seen it with many, many other crime victims.
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Speaker 1: When I first was told my fiance it was dead,
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Speaker 1: at first, I thought there was some kind of a
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Speaker 1: mix up and if I could just get to him,
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Speaker 1: I could fix it, and I could get him to
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Speaker 1: the hospital and everything would be okay. I thought there
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Speaker 1: had been a car crash, just like what joe Ane
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Speaker 1: Nathee is saying about Jodie Houston truth and I know
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Speaker 1: you hear her saying, well, we thought it was a
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Speaker 1: car accident. Then we thought missing, well, there's just some
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Speaker 1: mix that we're going to fix this. Why is our mind?
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Speaker 1: Where are our mind go to something that we can comprehend?
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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't comprehend that Keith have been shot five
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Speaker 1: times in the face and the neck and the head
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Speaker 1: in the back, that was hard for me. That would
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Speaker 1: never have occurred to me, that that could have happened.
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Speaker 1: Just like with Joe and Nathy, Jody's sister, she really thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: there's been a car crash missing. What this is wrong?
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Speaker 1: We're going to We're going to get this all straightened out.
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Speaker 1: Why is that? What is that?
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Speaker 6: It starts off as like a protective mechanism for ourselves,
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Speaker 6: you know, to try to make some positive sense out
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Speaker 6: of it. You know, the term we use is closure,
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Speaker 6: and it's not like closing up the you know, the event,
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Speaker 6: but it's trying to make sense out of ambiguity. And
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Speaker 6: you know, you think of, well maybe it was a
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Speaker 6: car accident, They're okay, they're going to be found. You
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Speaker 6: continue to put the positive perspective on it, and it
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Speaker 6: helps kind of keep you stable. Lies so as you
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Speaker 6: take in more information, you can you know, better assess
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Speaker 6: it and apply it to the situation.
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Speaker 1: Is there some sort of a defense mechanism, Well, I
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Speaker 1: call it.
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Speaker 6: More of a protective mechanism, you know, trying to keep
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Speaker 6: you know, that stress level down so you can keep
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Speaker 6: a rational cognitive process going on with the information that
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Speaker 6: you're taking in. You know, some people they react, you know,
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Speaker 6: just where they totally break down and you know they're
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Speaker 6: not able to do anything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I take a listen to our friend Ross Cugis
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Speaker 1: KSTP TV son and I just woken her up.
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Speaker 7: Amy Coons called Jody's apartment at four a m. The
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Speaker 7: morning Jody disappeared.
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Speaker 8: I wondered if anything was going on, like maybe somebody
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Speaker 8: was in her apartment now, I listened.
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Speaker 1: For other voices.
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Speaker 7: Jody had said she had overslept and would be right
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Speaker 7: in at four twenty that morning. Tenant's here screens in
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Speaker 7: the parking lot. Jody has never heard from again.
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Speaker 1: Caroline Load founded a podcast called Find Jody Podcast. You
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Speaker 1: can find her also at Caroline Low TV. Caroline, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You've been on the case
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Speaker 1: for some time. Let's start at the beginning. What do
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Speaker 1: we know of the last time that Jody was seen alive?
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Speaker 1: No wait, no, let's start with the scene. Let's start
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Speaker 1: with her place where she was what do we know?
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Speaker 9: What we know is it appears that whatever happened to
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Speaker 9: Jody happened in the parking lot right adjacent to her building.
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Speaker 9: It looks like they're about twelve steps from Jody's building
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Speaker 9: to her car that she was most likely ambushed attack
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Speaker 9: from behind.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right, are you talking about her building where she
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Speaker 1: lived or her building where she where she lived.
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Speaker 9: We're talking from where she was running late. As we
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Speaker 9: heard Amy Koons, her producer say, she was running late
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Speaker 9: and so she's rushing to her car. She's carrying her
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Speaker 9: things she needs to.
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Speaker 10: Get ready her work.
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Speaker 9: Most likely her hair was wet being so late, and
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Speaker 9: she had a blow dryer with her. Somebody attacked her
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Speaker 9: from behind, and from all signs that we can tell,
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Speaker 9: there were signs of a struggle. She was dragged easterly
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Speaker 9: according to the police.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I got to break everything down that
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Speaker 1: you're saying. I got to go through it one fact
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Speaker 1: at a time and digest it and trying to make
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Speaker 1: sense of it. Guys were talking about a beautiful TV
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Speaker 1: anchor that goes missing. Jody Hu's in truth. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend Jim Axelrod.
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Speaker 11: The anchor of KIMT six am newscast. She usually arrived
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Speaker 11: at work by three point thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 8: If she's not there between three thirty and fogg, you
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Speaker 8: were calls a hey, are you awake?
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Speaker 11: Producer Amy Koons noticed nothing unusual, and she called and
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Speaker 11: whooped Jody up about ten after four that morning.
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Speaker 3: She was asking about the show. She was concerned about
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Speaker 3: the show, and she said, I'll be right there.
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Speaker 11: But at five point thirty, still know Jody, and this
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Speaker 11: being a time before cell phones, Amy tried her at
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Speaker 11: home again and got her answering machine. At six am,
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Speaker 11: Amy had a step up and deliver the news in
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Speaker 11: Jody's place.
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Speaker 3: She loves her show.
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Speaker 1: She got it her show. You know she wouldn't miss
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Speaker 1: it for anything.
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Speaker 3: The police were called shortly after seven. When they arrived
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Speaker 3: at Jody's.
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Speaker 11: Apartment, she wasn't home, but they found her shoes, hair
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Speaker 11: dryer and keys scattered on the ground near her beloved
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Speaker 11: red Mazda Miata.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend Jim Axelrod at fine Jody,
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Speaker 1: CBS forty eight hours the search on for Jodie Houston Street.
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Speaker 1: Let me go back to Caroline Love, investigative journalist. Caroline.
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Speaker 1: Let's start again at the beginning. Now you're telling me
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Speaker 1: she was leaving. You believe she was leaving her apartment
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Speaker 1: building that morning. She was running a little late for work.
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Speaker 1: Her hair was still wet because she had a hair
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Speaker 1: dryer with you with her. I assume that was standing
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Speaker 1: in the parking lot. You're telling me she was only
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Speaker 1: twelve feet out from her apartment or twelve feet from
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Speaker 1: her vehicle, And how would you know she was dragged behind?
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Speaker 9: That information came years ago from police, a police investigator.
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Speaker 9: She was dragged easterly. They saw marks in the silt,
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Speaker 9: if you will, and they believed that that's what happened.
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Speaker 9: That she was strigg easterly most toward Kentucky Avenue, which
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Speaker 9: is the main road going by the Key Apartments where
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Speaker 9: Jody lived with me.
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Speaker 1: Former Commander twenty seven years Woodbury Police Department, Jay Alberiro, Jay,
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Speaker 1: tell me what you know of the morning Jody goes missing.
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Speaker 10: An examination of the photos that the media had, the
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Speaker 10: information that the Mason City Police had put out there
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Speaker 10: in the past. So based on all that, my interpretation
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Speaker 10: and from the facts is that Jody was at her
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Speaker 10: car and it appears that she was attempting to put
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Speaker 10: the key in the door lock to open the door
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Speaker 10: to her car when she was grabbed more likely from behind,
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Speaker 10: because there's indications or the key that she had was bent,
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Speaker 10: which tells me that she had to keep in the
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Speaker 10: door lock when she was grabbed, so the force of
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Speaker 10: somebody grabbing her pushed her towards the front of the
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Speaker 10: car possibly and bent that key. And also the driver's
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Speaker 10: side mirror on the door was also bent forward, and
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Speaker 10: again that indicates there's a struggle taking place and the
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Speaker 10: perpetrator has grabbed her and has taken her towards the
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Speaker 10: front of the car, away from her apartment building. You know,
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Speaker 10: and the examination we've been down there, We've driven through
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Speaker 10: the parking lot and looked at the scene, because the
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Speaker 10: scene will tell you volumes of what happened, and it's
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Speaker 10: a very tight parking lot where that's.
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Speaker 1: Really interesting to Wndy Patrick, prosecutor, author of Red Flags
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Speaker 1: at wendypatricktphd dot com. Wendy, I never was so arrogant
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Speaker 1: as to try a case in front ofly jury without
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Speaker 1: having gone to this scene. In fact, very typically obsessively
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Speaker 1: gone to the scene many, many times, often on my
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Speaker 1: off time, looking at it, trying to make sense, reenacting
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Speaker 1: in my mind what happened. Who could see what or
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Speaker 1: not see? And in court, Wendy, it made all the
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Speaker 1: difference because I've had many defense witnesses take the stand
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Speaker 1: under oath and state what they saw or didn't see,
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Speaker 1: and into my knowledge of the scene makes it very
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Speaker 1: easy to say something like, well, wait a minute, isn't
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Speaker 1: there a big tree and a hedge around the building,
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Speaker 1: So you're saying you could see through the hedge what
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Speaker 1: happened at the front door. Is that what you're telling me?
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Speaker 1: You have to know this scene and we're just hearing
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Speaker 1: that from Jay Alberia.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's huge. And I usually go as soon
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Speaker 5: as possible when after the prime was committed, because, especially
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Speaker 5: in a case like this where you have an incident
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Speaker 5: in the morning, you want to know when exactly the
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Speaker 5: sun came up, when people would be out walking their dogs,
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Speaker 5: when you'd see the joggers, when you would be able
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Speaker 5: to have seen the evidence left behind. You know, we
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Speaker 5: all know the first few hours after a kidnapping or
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Speaker 5: an abduction are the most critical, the most crucial, because
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Speaker 5: that's when the bad guy or whoever abducted the victim
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Speaker 5: is able to make the escape. So yes, and you're
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Speaker 5: also right, it gives you enhanced credibility in front of
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Speaker 5: not just the jury but also the judge to where
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Speaker 5: you are the one in the courtroom that has done
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Speaker 5: your homework, You've been there and you're in the best
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Speaker 5: position to be asking these questions.
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Speaker 1: It also helps you catch liars. But in this case,
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Speaker 1: we're hearing Jay Alberiro and Caroline Low describe what happened,
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Speaker 1: and the scenario is really important. Now, what have I learned?
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Speaker 1: I've learned that she was most likely attacked from behind?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Somebody she didn't know, Somebody that
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Speaker 1: felt they had to sneak up on her, in the
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Speaker 1: sense that maybe it was someone she did know, but
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Speaker 1: they had bad dealings so they had to sneak up
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Speaker 1: on her. It tells me that she fought tooth and nail,
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Speaker 1: that she had almost made it to her car, because
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Speaker 1: we're here Alberio describing how the key to the car
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Speaker 1: was bent. So Jesse she had gotten it in and
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Speaker 1: it was pulled away with such force it bent the key.
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Speaker 1: Now we are hypothesizing what happened, but there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of evidence to prove that. Take a listen to reporterly
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Speaker 1: with ABC six kaa l what happened to Jody.
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Speaker 12: Outside of Jody's apartment, investigators found evidence of a struggle,
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Speaker 12: her personal items scattered in the parking lot, jewelry, shoes,
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Speaker 12: and a bag near her red convertible, and perhaps one.
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Speaker 3: Of the most important pieces of evidence, a broken key.
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Speaker 2: As Jody's mourning producer morning assistant producer, I was the
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Speaker 2: last one to speak with her before she disappeared.
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Speaker 3: Ammy Coons was working that morning Jody disappeared. She tells police.
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Speaker 12: Jody was often late for work, and that morning she
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Speaker 12: called Jody and says Jody.
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Speaker 3: Answered and told her she was on her way in.
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Speaker 3: We still have our jobs to do and I just
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Speaker 3: got to get the show.
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Speaker 12: Yere Coons went on to anchor that morning in Jody's place.
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Speaker 12: It wasn't until hours later that a phone call was
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Speaker 12: made by the station.
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Speaker 3: To police that Jody never arrived to work.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, man, that is critical to Joanne Nathy, this
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Speaker 1: is Jody's sister. They didn't call for how many hours?
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Speaker 1: Those are critical hours in finding Jody.
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Speaker 4: Yes, that's true. I'm sure they just well, maybe she
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Speaker 4: overslept and she would be in That's what I've understood it.
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Speaker 4: But it was critical time period. It's too bad that
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Speaker 4: they didn't call, but you know.
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Speaker 1: It happened. Those cards were dealt and we're working with
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Speaker 1: what we've got.
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Speaker 4: Certainly, Amy Coons never thought that Jody was being obressd accepted,
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Speaker 4: of course, just thought she had overslipt, you know.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. According to a gorgeous young
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Speaker 1: TV anchor's family, they are convinced someone became obsessed with
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Speaker 1: Jody who's instrup from watching her on TV and deciding
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Speaker 1: that's the woman for me. Maybe not intentionally harming Jody,
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Speaker 1: but they believe a kidnap attempt went wrong. What happened
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Speaker 1: that morning? Caroline Loath, isn't it correct that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I heard another coworker say that Jody was never late
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Speaker 1: to work, so I've got a conflicting report on that. Well,
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Speaker 1: is that significant? Yes, because if she was never late
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Speaker 1: to work as she was late this morning, that is
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Speaker 1: what we call quote routine evidence, evidence of habit or routine.
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Speaker 1: It's very hard to break, you know, when you're in
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Speaker 1: the TV business. You can't be one minute late or
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Speaker 1: there'll be an empty chair sitting there. You need. If
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Speaker 1: you're fifteen minutes early, you're late. So I'm curious about that,
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Speaker 1: and I'm also curious the coworker said Caroline that they
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Speaker 1: called her and she said, I'm on the way. Is
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Speaker 1: that correct?
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Speaker 9: We have no information otherwise and that's what police are reported,
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Speaker 9: So will we guess guessing that they checked the records
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Speaker 9: to verify that. But to back to Amy, Amy said
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Speaker 9: that she was basically crashing to get the show on.
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Speaker 9: She was initially just kind of angry at Todi that
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Speaker 9: she'd overslept, and she told maybe it's just.
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Speaker 10: The other day.
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Speaker 9: One of her biggest series was she would lose her
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Speaker 9: job if she didn't get that show produced and on
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Speaker 9: the air.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, she never imagined.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's right about that, because people would tune in
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Speaker 1: and there'll be nothing there. So yeah, she would probably
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Speaker 1: have lost her job. Another question, she to Caroline Low,
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Speaker 1: very often I would take clothes, shoes, makeup, whatever jewelry
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Speaker 1: that I was going to wear it that night with
21:13
Speaker 1: me in my hands, in a bag and a backpack,
21:17
Speaker 1: fold it up with me. So I'm assuming that everything
21:21
Speaker 1: that was found in the parking lot. When we hear
21:24
Speaker 1: hair dry or shoes and all that, that doesn't mean
21:26
Speaker 1: they came off for feet. That means to me that's
21:29
Speaker 1: what she was going to wear onto the air. Guys,
21:31
Speaker 1: we're talking about Jody, who's in truth just twenty seven
21:35
Speaker 1: years old. That goes missing seemingly into thin air. So,
21:39
Speaker 1: Caroline Low, what can you tell me about all the
21:41
Speaker 1: items that were scattered in the parking lot.
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Speaker 9: What we know is there are a pair of red
21:44
Speaker 9: high heels, which would seem to suggest that Jody was
21:47
Speaker 9: likely wearing something with red or all red that day.
21:50
Speaker 9: We don't know exactly. As far as we know, what
21:52
Speaker 9: she was wearing has never been found. There was hairspray,
21:55
Speaker 9: there was a blow dryer, There are earrings, so the
21:57
Speaker 9: basics of what you would wear to go on the air.
22:00
Speaker 9: What's missing is a bag that she carried it in.
22:03
Speaker 9: We've never heard anything about whether that was located. Presumably
22:07
Speaker 9: Jody did not run to her car carrying all these
22:09
Speaker 9: things in her arms doesn't make sense. So where is
22:12
Speaker 9: that bag? Where's the purse that she normally would have had.
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Speaker 9: We don't know.
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Speaker 1: And we also know that she was in a hurry
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Speaker 1: because she was running late, so she may have grabbed
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Speaker 1: things and then they came out of her hands. But
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Speaker 1: I find that also odd. Why would she have be
22:25
Speaker 1: carrying earrings and other things in her hands and trying
22:29
Speaker 1: to open up the car door. Guys, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut seven A This is Brian Master evening
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Speaker 1: anchor k imt listen.
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Speaker 13: Jody wasn't there, and so an associate producer, Amy Koons
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Speaker 13: calls Jody at her apartment. Jody sounded as though she
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Speaker 13: had just woke up and told Amy, Okay, I'm getting around.
22:50
Speaker 13: I'll be in.
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Speaker 3: So then the time passes, It's.
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Speaker 13: Now four point thirty, it's now five, Amy, I'm assuming
22:58
Speaker 13: always thought, well, probably just sell back sleep. Jody not
23:02
Speaker 13: coming in right on time wasn't necessarily unusual from talking
23:07
Speaker 13: to the people who worked in the morning. She wasn't
23:10
Speaker 13: always right on time. The show starts at six o'clock
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Speaker 13: without Jody, and so it was just a few minutes
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Speaker 13: after seven o'clock, right after she had gotten off the air,
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Speaker 13: Amy Coons calls Mason City Police for a welfare check.
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Speaker 9: Maytay, can I clarify something there? Yes, Ample didn't make
23:25
Speaker 9: the Amy did not make the phone call. Amy was
23:27
Speaker 9: still sitting on this set at the seven o'clock when
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Speaker 9: the show ended, a co worker came in. She asked
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Speaker 9: the coworker to call police because she still had to
23:35
Speaker 9: do a morning update.
23:36
Speaker 1: So a co.
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Speaker 9: Worker called the police at seven point thirteen. First officers
23:41
Speaker 9: arrived on the scene at seven sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Interesting. That makes me feel a little bit better about
23:46
Speaker 1: the timeline because the whole day hasn't passed. Take a
23:50
Speaker 1: listen to more of our friends at Kaimt listen.
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Speaker 13: Mason City Police found Jody's car in the parking lot
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Speaker 13: in the apartment complex, was maybe twenty feet twenty five
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Speaker 13: feet from the front door.
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Speaker 14: They did find her car in the parking lot and
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Speaker 14: or who she had been.
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Speaker 13: Found a bench if you see that scattered, a keybent
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Speaker 13: in her fairly new car. There's a palm print on
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Speaker 13: the car. There's a struggle. She's been abducted. She's probably
24:21
Speaker 13: still alive. There's a three hour window in between the
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Speaker 13: phone call and the welfare check, and that's a lot
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Speaker 13: of time for somebody to do something and get away.
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Speaker 1: That is conventional wisdom. If someone is killed in an induction,
24:35
Speaker 1: very often the first three hours or the critical that's
24:38
Speaker 1: the critical window in which you have a chance to
24:41
Speaker 1: save the person. Straight out to doctor Jory Crawls in
24:45
Speaker 1: Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo University. You know, another wrinkle in
24:50
Speaker 1: this case is that Jodie Hughson truth was in everybody's
24:54
Speaker 1: living rooms and bedrooms and dens and kitchens all across
24:57
Speaker 1: the viewing area. People thought thought that they knew her.
25:02
Speaker 1: Not only that, there are a lot of people out
25:05
Speaker 1: there that, for instance, I know this sounds crazy, doctor Jory,
25:09
Speaker 1: that think you're sending them non verbal messages or that
25:16
Speaker 1: you are speaking to them in code in some way.
25:20
Speaker 1: Of course, these people have mental issues, but they believe,
25:25
Speaker 1: for instance, somebody young and beautiful like JODI's Huston's Truth
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Speaker 1: is actually in love with them. It happens quite often, doctor.
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Speaker 15: Yes, it does with you know, celebrities or anybody that's
25:36
Speaker 15: in the public light of you know, I guess all
25:39
Speaker 15: the reporters that can kind.
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Speaker 6: Of relate to that. But the one thing is that
25:45
Speaker 6: you know, from the psychological perspective of who did this,
25:49
Speaker 6: I mean, it seemed to be pretty well planned out,
25:53
Speaker 6: and most people that you know either have those kind
25:55
Speaker 6: of delusions, I mean, they can still plan it out well,
25:59
Speaker 6: but committing it to this degree of almost perfection. You know,
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Speaker 6: it was that time of day, early in the morning,
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Speaker 6: they had to wait. She was late. I mean, there's
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Speaker 6: a lot of things that you know, what we don't
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Speaker 6: have answers.
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Speaker 1: For and I'm assuming to you, Caroline Low that there
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Speaker 1: were no security cameras in the parking lot.
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Speaker 9: No security cameras, and as far as we know, no eyewitnesses.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, of course, to you, Jay Alberio, it was
26:26
Speaker 1: so early in the morning that she was leaving. Correct,
26:28
Speaker 1: what time was it?
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Speaker 10: We just made from the information it was about four
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Speaker 10: thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of people out and about
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Speaker 1: at four thirty in the morning. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our forensic kimt.
26:39
Speaker 13: The search for Jodie was immedia. The response was overwhelming.
26:43
Speaker 13: I mean, she's in your living room every morning. In
26:47
Speaker 13: Mason City and the surrounding communities, people feel as though
26:50
Speaker 13: they know you men. So everybody wanted to help. You
26:53
Speaker 13: had dogs, you had psychics. You had so many people
26:57
Speaker 13: looking just to see if they could find clues.
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Speaker 1: Joey and Nathan, this is Jody's sister. Do you remember
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Speaker 1: the use of psychics trying to find Jody.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we had telephone calls and we were on
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Speaker 4: a show with psychics too at the beginning. Could I
27:14
Speaker 4: clarify something that always bugs me that I hear them
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Speaker 4: say like I heard this morning again that she was
27:20
Speaker 4: late many times for work, and I never had that
27:24
Speaker 4: impression of a few times she was late for work.
27:27
Speaker 4: But Jody was very conscientious about her job. I mean,
27:31
Speaker 4: she wanted perfection. I would not say she was late
27:35
Speaker 4: many times. A few times she was a little late.
27:37
Speaker 4: Probably she did jam pack her day's way too much.
27:41
Speaker 4: She worked, stayed up late writing thank you notes, and
27:45
Speaker 4: you know she just used every hour.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, And I was trying to
27:49
Speaker 1: clear that earlier Joe and Nathe. Through my research and
27:52
Speaker 1: investigation of the case, I found other co workers that
27:55
Speaker 1: said she was never late or really late.
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Speaker 4: She was so condentious. But no, she was late a
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Speaker 4: few times. I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I don't like
28:05
Speaker 1: the impression that leaves, and more important, it factors into
28:10
Speaker 1: what happened that morning, because she told the co worker,
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Speaker 1: I'm up, I'm on the way here.
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Speaker 4: I count And I'm sure she was very nervous at
28:18
Speaker 4: that point because she was so conscientious.
28:21
Speaker 1: I'm sure take a listen as Brian Master kimt.
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Speaker 13: Free neighbors apparently heard screams that morning, and none of
28:32
Speaker 13: them are able to really give an indicator about what
28:36
Speaker 13: those screams were about.
28:44
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Was Jodie, who's in truth
28:52
Speaker 1: kidnapped by a stalker, someone that became obsessed from watching
28:57
Speaker 1: her on TV. That is the gut wrenching theory. Her
29:02
Speaker 1: family believes what other clues were left behind to Wendy Patcheck,
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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, and hosters Today with
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Speaker 1: doctor Wendy k c b Q in San Diego. Wendy,
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Speaker 1: you know, a timeline can start with something seemingly innocuous,
29:23
Speaker 1: and I will refer to a really good example where
29:27
Speaker 1: in the Nicole Brown Ron Goldman double murder, the neighbors
29:33
Speaker 1: were first alerted by the dog. I believe the dog's
29:36
Speaker 1: same was Akida's, as they say, mournful or plaintive. Well,
29:42
Speaker 1: that really started the timeline in the middle of the night,
29:47
Speaker 1: and here the neighbors hear these screams. Wendy, that's right.
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Speaker 5: And you know a lot of people would have called
29:52
Speaker 5: the police right away upon hearing those screams, and a
29:55
Speaker 5: timeline would also include people that were up at six am.
29:58
Speaker 5: This was a morning a she was in the morning
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Speaker 5: rooms of the breakfast tables across this small town where
30:05
Speaker 5: more people were likely to know her, to recognize her,
30:07
Speaker 5: to know her name. It also, when you talk about
30:10
Speaker 5: a timeline, you would want to know if she had
30:13
Speaker 5: a stalker. And I've prosecuted several men who have stalked
30:16
Speaker 5: news anchors specifically, but they were news anchors that were
30:19
Speaker 5: on when they were awake. So that timeline would also
30:23
Speaker 5: sweep in everyone that would necessarily have seen her, have
30:27
Speaker 5: seen something, who would have been up, who know who
30:29
Speaker 5: she is, because they would have been awakened in a
30:31
Speaker 5: position to be not only sharp many people are sharper
30:34
Speaker 5: in the morning, but also in a position to notice
30:36
Speaker 5: something out of the ordinary, like those screams that, as
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Speaker 5: you point out, really starts that timeline.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean if you hear a scream at four thirty
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Speaker 1: five o'clock in the morning, and there's a big difference
30:46
Speaker 1: of hearing the neighbor calling the dog and a woman screaming.
30:51
Speaker 1: I'm very surprised no one called police, But you know what, again,
30:55
Speaker 1: that's what we're working with. They did not take a
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Speaker 1: Listen now to Ross's Cherry at k STP.
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Speaker 7: TV, Jody's closest friends in Mason City are for the
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Speaker 7: first time talking about their suspicions.
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Speaker 3: Because it could possibly be someone that we know.
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Speaker 16: All with all the times I've talked to detectives, they
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Speaker 16: feel that someone's doctor watched her, know what her schedule
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Speaker 16: was and was.
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Speaker 3: Definitely going to plan on doing something that morning.
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Speaker 7: Right up to her disappearance, this group of people socialized
31:28
Speaker 7: with Jody. As they realized Jody's abductor might not be
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Speaker 7: a stranger, they grew uncomfortable with one of their friends.
31:35
Speaker 8: You see signals you may not have seen that make
31:38
Speaker 8: me think that there is always a possibility that could
31:41
Speaker 8: be somebody that we we know.
31:44
Speaker 1: Now take a listen to Brian Mastri and Beth Bednor,
31:49
Speaker 1: former anchor from k I M T A k A
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Speaker 1: a L, speaking to our friends at ID.
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Speaker 13: Investigators start to zero in on someone who was with
31:59
Speaker 13: Jody the night before. They knew that she had been
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Speaker 13: with a friend twenty years her senior, John van Seiss.
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Speaker 14: John Vansiss is considerably older than her. Recently divos and
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Speaker 14: booked to Mason City. You've spent a lot of time together.
32:15
Speaker 14: Two weeks time to her disappearance, John had a birthday
32:19
Speaker 14: party for her to celebrate her twenty seventh birthday.
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Speaker 13: It seems as though he was the last one to
32:24
Speaker 13: see Jody alive too.
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Speaker 1: Caroline Love investigative journalists and you can find her at
32:30
Speaker 1: find Jody dot com, Find Jody podcast and Caroline low TV. Caroline,
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? And so he's the last one
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Speaker 1: to see her alive the night before.
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Speaker 9: That's what he says. His name is John van Seiss.
32:43
Speaker 9: He was twenty two years older than Jody, and just
32:46
Speaker 9: two days earlier that weekend, he and several of Jody's
32:49
Speaker 9: friends had gotten together in northern Iowa to go on
32:53
Speaker 9: a water skiing trip. Actually writes about him in her journal.
32:56
Speaker 9: The last thing she writes about two days before she disappeared,
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Speaker 9: talks about what a great time she had with John
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Speaker 9: van Seiss her other friends Annie Cruz and Tammy Baker.
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Speaker 9: So he's an older friend who spent a lot of
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Speaker 9: time with her in the last couple months before she disappeared.
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Speaker 1: And to you, Jay Alberia, a former commander of Woodbury
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Speaker 1: Police Apartment. Jay did he he worked with her in
33:18
Speaker 1: what capacity?
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Speaker 10: No, John Vancize did not work with her. With Jody,
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Speaker 10: there are acquaintances. As far as we know, John had
33:27
Speaker 10: lived in the apartment complex at one time. That's possibly
33:30
Speaker 10: where he met Jody that became friends. Had a mutual
33:33
Speaker 10: interest in water skiing and John had a boat, so
33:37
Speaker 10: John was taking her water skiing and we believed that
33:41
Speaker 10: he was also helping her learn how to water ski.
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Speaker 1: To Joey and Nathy, what was her relationship with John
33:48
Speaker 1: van Seiss.
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Speaker 4: Well, actually I didn't know about the guy till this
33:51
Speaker 4: all happened. She had mentioned to my mom. My mom
33:55
Speaker 4: cautioned hers that she was not really dating this guy,
33:59
Speaker 4: but he was a friend and they know and stuff,
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Speaker 4: and my mom said, well, you better be careful because
34:04
Speaker 4: you know he might be getting romantically interested in you. Oh,
34:08
Speaker 4: we're just good friends, Jody would say, you know, and
34:12
Speaker 4: so but I after hearing about after it all happened,
34:16
Speaker 4: we know that he was quite obsessed with Jody.
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Speaker 1: Why did you say that?
34:20
Speaker 4: Oh, just he wanted always be around her and he
34:24
Speaker 4: wanted to you know. He said he even named his
34:28
Speaker 4: boat after her, which was odd. And the friends knew
34:32
Speaker 4: that too, and they cautioned Jody. They said, Jody, are
34:35
Speaker 4: you sure that John isn't more interested in you than
34:38
Speaker 4: you think? And it was just very obvious that he
34:43
Speaker 4: that he has been was very interested in her.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as a matter of fact, you're absolutely correct, Joeyne Nathan,
34:50
Speaker 1: this is Jody's sister in joining us. Take a listen
34:54
Speaker 1: to Mary McGuire k I m t forcibly the role.
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Speaker 17: Of both journalist and friend Robin wolf from ordered on
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Speaker 17: the disappearance. Even interviewing the man who Jody was seen
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Speaker 17: with last what was his demeanor like.
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Speaker 8: A joyful almost strangely happy and telling me how he
35:12
Speaker 8: named his boat after and how he just loved her.
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Speaker 17: She has no doubt in her mind that man, an
35:17
Speaker 17: older gentleman who is friends with Jody, is the one
35:20
Speaker 17: responsible for her disappearance.
35:21
Speaker 8: I cautioned Jody about their friendship in television.
35:26
Speaker 3: We have a gut incident about things.
35:28
Speaker 8: My gut and my instinct tells me that he's responsible.
35:34
Speaker 17: But Wolfram isn't the only one who shares those same
35:36
Speaker 17: suspicions about him. Last March find Jody dot Com, a
35:40
Speaker 17: website dedicated to the case, reported Mason City police served
35:43
Speaker 17: him with a search warrant seeking GPS data on two
35:46
Speaker 17: of his cars.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Caroline Low, Caroline, what can you tell
35:51
Speaker 1: me about the source warrant served on this guy? This
35:55
Speaker 1: much older gentleman twenty two years her senior, that a
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Speaker 1: currently was besotted with her.
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Speaker 9: The search warrants occurred in twenty seventeen, and while what
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Speaker 9: the police were seeking was two vehicles associated with John
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Speaker 9: van Seiss, vehicles that he did not have back in
36:12
Speaker 9: nineteen ninety five, they weren't manufactured till a few years later.
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Speaker 9: We don't know specifically what they were seeking their probable
36:20
Speaker 9: cause statement, the affidavit is not public. What we do know,
36:24
Speaker 9: as they said, is they were after she disappeared. The
36:27
Speaker 9: possible theory is that they were seeking to see if
36:30
Speaker 9: maybe he was going to some kind of a crime
36:32
Speaker 9: scene when he was back in Iowa. He was subpoened
36:36
Speaker 9: before a federal grand jury in that same month, where
36:39
Speaker 9: he was ordered to provide palm prints, fingerprints, and DNA sample.
36:43
Speaker 9: But we don't know, and the chief later said it
36:46
Speaker 9: did not produce any evidence.
36:48
Speaker 1: I'm guessing Wendy Patrick that they would want to compare.
36:52
Speaker 1: He has not been named as a suspect. Number one.
36:54
Speaker 1: Let's just state that any potential palm prints or fingerprints
36:58
Speaker 1: is something found on that car.
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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, and you know the Joe Anne and your
37:03
Speaker 5: other guests what we've done is we bumped the timeline
37:06
Speaker 5: back to even the night before. So you talk about
37:08
Speaker 5: that palm print, where it came from, who might have
37:10
Speaker 5: made it. Now we're sweeping in people that may have
37:12
Speaker 5: seen her within even the last twelve hours. And yes,
37:16
Speaker 5: you know forensics, I know this happens a long time ago,
37:18
Speaker 5: but we still today had some of what we had
37:21
Speaker 5: even back then. Google fashion forensics, especially in a case
37:25
Speaker 5: like this where that's all that they had left at
37:28
Speaker 5: the scene. There was no footage or cell phone pinging
37:30
Speaker 5: like we do nowadays. A pall print like that would
37:33
Speaker 5: have been an enormous piece of evidence.
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Speaker 18: It's a new information has come out from that twenty
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Speaker 18: seventeen search warrant which shows the GPS tracking data of
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Speaker 18: a car owned by that person of interest. He died
37:44
Speaker 18: December of last year. The data tracks a vehicle during
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Speaker 18: the four day span as it traveled from Baxter, Iowa,
37:51
Speaker 18: through Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and New Mexico before stopping
37:56
Speaker 18: in Phoenix. The rest of the information has not been released.
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Speaker 1: It could have been anyone. Everybody in the area knows
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Speaker 1: Jody who's in truth. They see her every single morning.
38:08
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jennifer Austin KA r E eleven.
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Speaker 16: Don't think because the world is concerned with other news,
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Speaker 16: that she's forgotten.
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Speaker 19: Caroline Lowe is an investigative journalist and part of the
38:18
Speaker 19: Find Jody Team, a group of investigators who continued to
38:21
Speaker 19: look into the unsolved case.
38:23
Speaker 20: What happened to Jody.
38:25
Speaker 19: They launched a podcast this month on what would have
38:27
Speaker 19: been Jody's fifty second birthday, hoping to keep eyes on
38:31
Speaker 19: her story and find answers about what happened the early
38:34
Speaker 19: morning of June twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, when Jody
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Speaker 19: left her apartment late for her job anchoring the morning news.
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Speaker 2: America's most highly publicized missing children.
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Speaker 3: She never made it.
38:45
Speaker 12: She was very easy to follow.
38:47
Speaker 16: You knew her schedule anchoring the six Am and New news,
38:50
Speaker 16: her home number for address or even lists of the
38:53
Speaker 16: local directory. She would have been very easy to find.
38:56
Speaker 1: What could have been done differently? And can there be
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Speaker 1: a save? Take a listen to our cut sixteen A.
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Speaker 1: This is Laurley ABC six KAA l listen.
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Speaker 20: I can't remember Jodie ever being or late for work.
39:12
Speaker 4: She's a professional journalism journalist.
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Speaker 12: Then general manager John Shine seen during a press conference
39:18
Speaker 12: later that day, describing a very different Jody, a devoted
39:22
Speaker 12: employee who took her job seriously.
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Speaker 20: I've made it clear this case is not going to
39:26
Speaker 20: go away for us.
39:28
Speaker 12: For many decades, this case has puzzled the Mason City
39:31
Speaker 12: Police Department. What do you think you, as chief can
39:34
Speaker 12: do different than the chiefs prior to you that have
39:36
Speaker 12: had this case under their tail and nothing has come about.
39:40
Speaker 20: I'm not going to sit here in second guess decisions
39:43
Speaker 20: made officers in the field twenty five years ago about
39:46
Speaker 20: what they did. I will tell you that I don't
39:49
Speaker 20: believe that any of them probably thought that we would
39:51
Speaker 20: still be working this case today.
39:53
Speaker 12: Chief Jeff Brankley says bringing a fresh pair of eyes
39:55
Speaker 12: to the case could help.
39:57
Speaker 20: Cold cases I think are of interest to a lot
39:58
Speaker 20: of people. It's obviously a case that affected Mason City,
40:02
Speaker 20: and so if we could put some closure to that,
40:04
Speaker 20: I'm interested in doing that.
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Speaker 1: To Caroline Low, Investigative journalists find Jody dot com Caroline,
40:10
Speaker 1: where does it stand now? There was one reporting of
40:14
Speaker 1: a body found out a Mason City river. We don't
40:18
Speaker 1: believe it remains. We don't believe that was Jody a
40:21
Speaker 1: PI popped up and said he had information that he
40:25
Speaker 1: is still not shared with anyone in the family. Have
40:29
Speaker 1: there been any developments, Caroline that we could really sink
40:32
Speaker 1: our teeth into.
40:34
Speaker 9: Nancy, I really wish I could say there were, and
40:36
Speaker 9: we get tips all the time at find Jody dot com,
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Speaker 9: but we have no information that authorities, anybody is any
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Speaker 9: closer to finding Jody, Hues and Troup today than they
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Speaker 9: were years ago.
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Speaker 1: To Joeanne Nathan, this is Jody's sister, Joanne, what is
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Speaker 1: your most vivid memory of your sister Jody.
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Speaker 4: Well, she was always still very caring about us, so
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Speaker 4: I just wanted us to be happy. That was a
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Speaker 4: big interest, you know. If she was working at a
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Speaker 4: resort and her time off, she did invite us up
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Speaker 4: to use the facilities, and oh she was just so bubbly.
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Speaker 4: She has personality. Plus you know, she probably didn't have
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Speaker 4: the best speaking ability necessarily, but all her personality on
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Speaker 4: the air just came through. I know, Doug Murbrick told
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Speaker 4: me the ratings were very high and one thing though,
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Speaker 4: she revealed too much about her personal life on the
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Speaker 4: air also, but that's you know, Jody.
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Speaker 5: She was so.
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Speaker 4: Personable with everyone, and people felt they really really knew her.
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Speaker 4: And all you need is somebody who was not playing
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Speaker 4: with a full deck to become obsessed and sitting and
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Speaker 4: listening to her daily routine. She would often talk where
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Speaker 4: she went jogging and what activity she was going to
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Speaker 4: do that day, and she probably went. She probably did
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Speaker 4: too much of that on the air and it was
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Speaker 4: too personable, but they liked it. The viewers loved it.
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