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#29: “Robots Can Make Us More Human” — Yemi A.D. on AI, Purpose, and the Future · Love Conquers Fear

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  The whales, how they're in 1/2 awake half asleep state even
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  when they're sleeping. And so the brain actually fuses
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  consciousness and dreaming together.
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  And it got me thinking about the lattice again and realized the
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  actual reality we're in is rooted in love.
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  Right now where I am, I, I try to be in the intersection of
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  creativity, technology and youth empowerment because I believe
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  that young people should be at the core of our innovation and
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  not just as passengers, but as Co creators and Co designers.
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  And I think it's been a long time our downfall when we would
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  just ask on the bad habits of previous generation.
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  But I think every generation is responsible for looking at what
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  of the culture is serving you and what you just leave in the
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  past. Now for me moon shot is more
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  because American dream for me now is more about is an
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  individual success, united effort that we bring together.
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  And when we do reach the World, when we do our moon shots,
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  whatever it means, we do it for the good of the many.
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  Not. But I believe that robots can
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  actually make us more human, because when you look at
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  schools, when you look at industrialization, we've been
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  making robots of each other. Hey everyone, welcome back to
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  the Love Conquers Fear podcast. I have a very, very exciting
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  guest today. But first of all, I just want to
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  say that I've been getting a lot of love recently for the Joel
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  Schaefer episode, episode #16 where we talked about the Toltec
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  teachings and lucid dreaming, and Josh Baer actually hit me
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  and Mark Gober up. Mark Gober was on episode 2, and
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  Josh I think was on episode 4 on whale consciousness.
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  So he has a place in Cabo and he was looking out thinking about
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  the whales and how they're in 1/2 awake, half asleep state
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  even when they're sleeping. And so the brain actually fuse,
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  fuses consciousness and dreaming together.
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  And it got me thinking about The Lattice again, my science
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  fiction novella, and how Doctor Alexander Bliss around the year
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  2031, you know, he's the protagonist of the story, thinks
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  of the way for humanity to awaken and realize the actual
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  reality we're in is rooted in love and that we're 99.9% the
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  same DNA wise. And so Doctor Alexander Bliss,
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  as technology progresses, sees that we can really decode animal
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  language and we start to learn a lot about animals and what they
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  have to teach us about our history here on Earth.
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  And whales are the hardest to decode.
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  And Bliss has an idea on how to decode whale language.
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  And all these amazing things happen as he learns about how
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  whales essentially lucid dream. And it teaches him a lot about
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  the lattice, about consciousness, about this
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  fundamental reality that we're in.
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  So I had a lot of fun with that. You can find a short story
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  that's a derivative of this work and it's online available for
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  free on my sub stack or my medium, my LinkedIn, as well as
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  my personal blog at Lucky 7. But it's another very fun
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  exploration in consciousness. I also continue to work my way
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  through Rick Rubin's book, The Creative Act Absolutely loving
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  that book. And you saw me discuss that with
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  Amos, who is a fantastic creative.
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  Although we made the point in that episode that we're all
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  creatives, including business people, if we so choose to
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  really create that beautiful culture, that we can create that
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  operating system of the company and go on an epic mission
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  together and have the hero's journey.
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  So you don't have to just be a painter or a dancer or another
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  type of artist as we traditionally think of them.
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  You can actually create art and business and really do it in a
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  very unique way. And we're going to be diving in
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  to that a lot today because I am with a true, true artist, a true
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  creative. Yummy.
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  It is so good to see you. Here thanks for having me.
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  Yeah, so we're both in the Henry Crown Fellowship and that's how
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  we got to know each other. And actually, I'm gifting you
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  this book, so I'm going to. Put it right there and wait.
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  Yeah, it's so much fun. It covers the years 2030 through
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  2085. OK.
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  And as humanity unites and we collectively conquer our own
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  fear through love, we find out that that pattern has repeated
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  around the universe throughout space and time.
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  But by 2085, we still don't understand the true nature of
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  God because it's so far beyond our comprehension.
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  But it's a really, it was a really fun way for me to, you
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  know, creatively work with all of the books that I've read this
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  year, over 50 books, and envision a positive catalyst for
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  humanity because there's so much dystopia there.
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  You know, I was just actually in this thread yesterday where two
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  of my very dear friends were saying, what?
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  Isn't it going to be such a negative catalyst?
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  Isn't that how it's always been for humanity?
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  You know, we've had the Holocaust, you know, we've had
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  World War Two, had all of these horrible things happen.
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  Like, doesn't it need to be a negative catalyst to awaken us?
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  And the point I made to them is, no, it actually doesn't.
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  We're not doomed to repeat the past.
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  We always evolve. There are things that we did in
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  the past that we look at in horror today that we can't even
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  believe we did. So it doesn't mean that just
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  because we did do those things means that that is the only way
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  that humanity will awaken. So anyways, it was a very
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  positive vision of how it could happen.
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  And actually the first part of that book came to me in a
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  psychedelic journey a couple of years ago as the way that it may
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  happen. So yeah, let's talk about you,
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  the Henry Crown Fellowship. I know that you're, you're
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  really a unique Henry Crown Fellow.
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  I mean, I don't even know how to actually quite describe you.
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  I mean, you're a brilliant dancer.
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  You're a brilliant artist. You have moon shots.
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  Like what? How would you define yummy?
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  Who is yummy? I think that in every kind of
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  season of my life, it was something a little bit
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  different. There was times where I would
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  describe myself just as a movement artist or dancer.
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  Then another part of my life when it was more like a serial
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  entrepreneur. Right now where I am I, I, I
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  tried to be in the intersection of creativity, technology and
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  youth empowerment because I believe that young people should
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  be at the core of our innovation and our strive for a better
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  future and not just as passengers, but as Co creators
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  and Co designers. Yeah, yeah.
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  What do you think about the people?
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  I'll let me put my opinion out there because I'm not trying to
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  set you up in any type of negative way here.
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  The people that always are complaining about the next
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  generation. And let me just say that I think
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  the next generation is absolutely amazing.
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  One of the things that we see through data is that their
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  social media use is dropping. They're starting, they're like
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  Neo in the Matrix. They're they're stopping the
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  bullets. Their alcohol use is plummeting
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  and I think every generation gets better, but you get to work
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  with them all the time with Mintras.
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  I'm surrounded by young people for past, you know, 25 years
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  from community of dancers to community of artists and today
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  community of social innovators. We with Moon Shot platform, we
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  have had record-breaking application process.
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  This year we had over 5000 applicants for mutual awards
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  from 139 countries. Wow.
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  So I got to go through a lot of those applications, at least the
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  hot top 100 in shortlist. And then I got to meet, you
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  know, like the top 30. So, so it's beautiful.
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  It's, it's beautiful especially because I meet a lot of people
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  here in the States or in Czech Republic where I'm from or in
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  Nigeria, maybe my, my father is from.
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  But I got to meet people from such a far away corners of
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  places that I probably will never visit.
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  And they are like beacons of hope when I when I meet them,
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  what are they able to do? But you ask me about what do I
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  think about people who always complain about the examination?
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  It seems like this always happens.
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  And I would tell you something. I would tell you just you don't
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  even, I don't even need to know what they complain about.
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  It's enough when you tell me people who always complain,
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  period, you know, and it's a mindset.
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  I think it's really important to what people complain about
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  because you either do complain or you don't.
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  And if you make complaining your sport, you will always find
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  something to complain about, right?
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  I feel like I feel like I work with whatever cards I'm given
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  and I find so much beauty in in the young people.
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  I think that their, their level of consciousness, their
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  awareness, the things that we're wrong, they they're not just,
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  they're not willing to just just to carry the culture from the
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  past to the future without their intercepting and redesigning the
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  culture. And I think it's been a long
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  time kind of our downfall when we would just pass on the bad
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  habits of previous generations. You know, some of the big
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  culture shift was, you know, slavery.
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  Some of the big culture shifts can be a racism can be different
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  things that were part of the culture.
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  But I think every generation is responsible for looking at what
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  of the culture is serving you and what you just leave in the
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  past. And the fact that they were
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  doing it maybe more vigorously or maybe more kind of maybe
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  thanks to social media and thanks to the digital world,
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  maybe at bigger velocity and then speed and amount, which
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  creates resistance. But I don't think it's done
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  anything wrong. I think it's it's beautiful when
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  you look into why they do it and what and be actually kind of not
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  be being biased, you know, the traditionalists that always want
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  things to be the same, but being open to to those type of
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  changes. Yeah.
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  How? How would you describe them as
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  different from your generation? My generation?
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  Like what? What do you like?
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  One one of the things that I think about then observe about
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  them as they're very accepting of all peoples.
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  I really haven't seen this, this level of programming that they
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  receive to think differently about about people.
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  They really just seem like natural humanitarians to me.
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  So first of all, like, what that, what young people are we
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  talking about? Right.
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  Are we talking about? Yeah.
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  You know, I find myself also as a young person.
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  But yeah, when we go into alphas.
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  Right. Yeah, and it's Alpha and Gen.
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  Well, Gen. Z is different than alpha, but
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  yeah yeah, and Gen. Z.
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  So. So I think there are two.
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  They're not millennials. Yes, yeah, No, Millen, not us
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  anymore, OK, we're. No, I'm not a millennial.
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  I'm Gen. X.
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  You know, I'm 53, but. Yes, OK, 43 yeah.
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  And and I and I, most of my friends are like 10 years
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  younger. Yes, but yeah, but but when you
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  go, I think we go into teenagers, I think there are two
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  things. One thing is I think we kind of
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  left them behind in a way because it's a generation that
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  has been raised by the technology, the iPads, the
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  phones, the amount of time spent looking into the screen
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  throughout the life from very early on.
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  I unfortunately also have one member of my family, my little
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  nephew, which their family refused to limit his time on the
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  screen. I can see how hardcore it is
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  for, for, for, for evolution of a language and, and imagination
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  and how it kind of shifts you that you're not really in the
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  real world. You're like in the, in this, in
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  in between. So I think like it's been our
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  job to protect the integrity of upbringing and mothering and,
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  you know, and all of the things that, that, that, that people
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  need to develop as healthy humans.
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  So that's was one part, but then other part because evolution
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  and, and human genome is powerful.
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  And whenever we, we throw it into some kind of trouble, it
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  kind of gets ahead and find a way how to prevail and how to,
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  how to thrive. So, so you can see certain
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  abilities that rise from this kind of shift and, and those
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  abilities I think are, are really amazing, like in, in, in
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  the way that cognition has has evolved.
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  We only see what has been like, what's visible to us, which is
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  like, OK, maybe the relationships are harder.
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  The, the physical interactions may be slower than also because
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  of the, the, the issues of gender.
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  I can also see how people are now maybe a little bit more
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  afraid of dating or making the move into saying I like you or
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  I'm interested in, you know, all those things that I think it's a
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  little bit, it's been crippled through, through, through these
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  past, I think 10/10/20 years. But I see on the young people
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  that I'm serving within the moon shot platform, which is, as you
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  know, accelerator for the next generation of change makers.
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  Yeah, I see tremendous amount of courage, clarity about what
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  serves us and what doesn't serve us, ability to invest into
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  things and not only think transactionally, not be
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  extractive, understanding what, what regenerative leadership
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  means and and embodied leadership means.
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  So those things are really, I think it would be hard to
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  explain to someone in a corporation 1020 years ago.
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  And I think they will build the new type of of companies that
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  are going to be grounded in these principles.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. How did you get started with
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  moon shots? Like what was the original
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  catalyst for you? So the Moon shoot platform was
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  built inside of the pandemic mayhem.
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  We didn't know what was going on.
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  I back then I had a dream to dream and also applied for the
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  space mission with Yusakomasawa to to, to go to the moon on
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  Starship. And eventually, out of 1,000,000
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  people, I was selected as one of the eight artists to go.
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  Yeah. And remember when you told me
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  that? Yeah.
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  It was it was a very, very beautiful time of my life.
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  And I started to travel around the world and see different
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  lounges of rockets. I went to Baikonur to see where
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  Gagarin took off. I went to Boca Chica to see
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  where Starship is taking off. Amazing community of, you know,
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  space enthusiast. And this is how the word moon
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  shot was created. But then when pandemic started,
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  me and our Aspen Crown class, we're thinking, you know, we
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  should maybe do a moon shot. That's, that's down here on
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  earth. And what, what would moon shot
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  mean? And, and it was very interesting
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  evolution of, of what is moon shot, right?
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  It's something seemingly impossible to achieve.
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  And if you, if you look here, you know in Austin, moon shot is
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  a very different thing than when you look in Abuja, Nigeria or
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  when you look in any other place, maybe a global South or
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  America or Southeast Asia. And I realized that we actually
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  are not here to say what moon shot is, but we are here to ask
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  what moon shot is to the next generation.
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  Then we started to do that, we started to redefine what Moon
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  Shot is. And also I started to see this
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  juxtaposition to American Dream because also I'm Eastern
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  European coming from, from, from, you know, former
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  Czechoslovakia. And for us, the American Dream
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  was always like, you know, like the, the, the, the pinnacle of,
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  of what you can do when you are free with freedom.
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  You can travel and do big business.
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  But I feel like now for me, Moon shot is more because the
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  American Dream for me now it's more about, OK, it's an
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  individual success, like I can make it.
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  I fill in my pockets. It doesn't matter what I burn on
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  my way, on my way up. But for moon shot, for me, it's
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  more about we united, the United effort that we bring together
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  only then we can do through moon shot.
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  And when we do reach to the moon, when we do our moon shots,
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  whatever it means, we do it for the good of the manning, not
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  just a few. Yeah, well, that's what this
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  podcast is all about. Love conquers fear to create
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  abundance for all. In terms of moonshots, what
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  what? What's been your biggest both
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  surprise in doing it, as well as the project that really just
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  blew you away the most? I have both.
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  So, so imagine that we, you know, we created our first Moon
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  Shot Awards and we were thinking about the categories.
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  I remember by then we got our first big check, $600,000 from
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  Avast Foundation and we said, OK, we're going to do
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  categories, you know, like a start up idea, non profit.
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  Then we did learning health and then we did borderless category.
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  And the borderless category for for was for refugees and
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  Internet displaced people because we just felt like we can
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  learn so much from them. I believe that extraordinary
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  circumstances generate extraordinary leaders and also
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  solutions. I completely didn't know what
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  I'm what I'm doing. We created this category now,
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  you know, like hundreds and thousands of people sign up.
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  And then there was this moment where we kind of, you know,
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  funnel that, that leave you with maybe top 20 and then you bring
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  top six to eight people to the life interview.
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  And this happened to be the first interview from all
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  categories. So it was the first moment we've
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  ever seen first moon shutters on the other side.
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  We work, we, we, we cried like 3 times in that interview.
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  It was, it was so it was just so hard to believe.
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  I remember I was sitting in Prague in my, in my living room.
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  And, and then there was, and also a lot of women, it was
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  about super strong, powerful girls and young women who were
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  going through so much and who were just not giving up.
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  And they were now coming with solution to something that
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  should not exist, right? It was a problem that it should
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  not be be there anymore. And we had such a hard time and
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  we were like, I was like having goosebumps.
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  Even now when I'm, when I'm thinking about it like what
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  these people went through and what they ask us.
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  And then we, we showed up and we, we continue to show up.
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  So that's like some, sometimes you don't realize what the world
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  is really about because we live in our little bubbles.
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  And then when you dare to open the door and you say, OK, I'm
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  going to do a global project where anybody from any
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  continent, any country can come. With their solution to a problem
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  that they are facing and we will meet them where they are.
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  We will not tell them. In order to get this check, this
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  grant, you need to become a square, even though you're a
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  circle, right? Because that's what what a lot
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  of foundations and a lot of this front of the space is built on
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  this rigid structures. So that was one.
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  And then when I tell you what blew my mind, there is so many,
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  but I give you, I give you 2 examples.
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  One Matthias Bohachek came with sign language translator and was
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  was fearlessly sure that he wants to confident he wants to
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  do it open source. His his sign language translator
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  was best in class, most precise fastest and you could download
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  it to the phone and then you point the camera to someone with
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  signing and it gives you text. He won the idea category.
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  He got his first check from us for $10,000.
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  He went to New York to receive this prize and one of our
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  patrons notice him. It was a woman.
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  She says, I love what you do. I will sponsor your tuition.
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  He then went to Stanford. He got to Stanford.
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  His tuition for four years was paid.
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  And because he understood both the language, even though he was
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  not deaf, he coded and created a new system to recognize deep
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  fake videos. Wow.
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  Because of his ability. Yeah.
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  He published this big paper, which, which was a paper that
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  that that kind of everybody remembers.
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  And that's when Google came to him and asked him to work with
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  Google DeepMind and set him behind the most powerful
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  computer in the world. And then the Department of
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  Defense asked him to help them mitigate the deepfake video.
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  Kind of the risk of of the fake videos before the elections, the
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  presidential election. So this boy who was like 17 year
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  old or 18 year old who knew nobody had no connections, just
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  went through moon shot and it brought him to actually
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  influence something as big as as that's incredible.
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  So so this. Is how was he now?
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  He is now 21. It's very sorry.
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  I just have to laugh because it's so.
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  That's so mind blowing. It is.
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  It is and, and, and you know, the issue is that we think that
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  young people today are like we were young, but they are not.
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  They are different young people. They, they are entering the
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  world at a completely different vantage point and they become
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  genius in their late teens and early 20s.
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  They are there. And I think it's such a waste
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  when we kind of let them become square and fall in line and take
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  the dreaming, take the like, make them being rigid so they
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  can be a good function in in the machine that has been built 50
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  years ago. So what we're trying to do is we
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  try to not let them become how to say, what's the other side of
• 23:18
  plasticity? Rigidity, rigidity.
• 23:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And to create a safe space where
• 23:24
  they can continue to dream when they get trust because some of
• 23:28
  the inventions and also what they choose to solve.
• 23:31
  They don't choose to solve things because there is big
• 23:34
  profit in it, right? Of course, they understand that
• 23:36
  profit is important, so so the wheel can turn.
• 23:39
  But their intention, that intentionality and their motives
• 23:43
  behind their moves are just what this world needs.
• 23:47
  So I feel even though I went through, you know, art and
• 23:50
  entertainment industry for most of my life, these five years has
• 23:53
  been very transformative to to to be approximated to these
• 23:56
  young people and to be proximate to the leaders who are at the
• 23:59
  young leaders who are at the forefront of some of the biggest
• 24:02
  problems in the world. But at hunger there to water,
• 24:07
  Cancer Research, social justice issues.
• 24:11
  And much more. Wow.
• 24:12
  And and you just wrapped up the big award ceremony, right?
• 24:16
  And and that was in Prague. No, there was in New York.
• 24:19
  There was in New York. Every November we do, we do
• 24:22
  mutual awards where we distribute our first $100,000
• 24:25
  among the winners and we announce 30 young leaders that
• 24:29
  we will support for two years. We invest about $30,000 to each
• 24:34
  and we get them this acceleration program that's
• 24:36
  nothing like nothing like that exist in the world.
• 24:40
  We are we do it holistically. So not just term sheets and
• 24:44
  strategy and and like this type of advantage in the market, but
• 24:49
  holistic. So it means what are the
• 24:51
  obstacles on inside? What's your relationship to
• 24:54
  money? What's what makes you fear?
• 24:56
  How do you how do you behave when you fear?
• 24:59
  When you feel fear? How do you do self-care?
• 25:02
  Like do you care for yourself? Like are you able to perform at
• 25:05
  the highest level? Do you even know how to how to
• 25:08
  hold yourself together under under pressure?
• 25:11
  And I think that's so important because like this extractive
• 25:14
  model of using founders to just put them into the grind until
• 25:19
  they can birth like a Unicorn. And then I think, I think that
• 25:24
  there is a difference when you enter this space, there is
• 25:26
  difference. Where do you believe that you
• 25:29
  can actually change trajectory of someone or if you're just
• 25:34
  moving opportunistically in the market and you just want to glue
• 25:36
  yourself to the to the people who would otherwise anyway make
• 25:39
  it. And in Moon Shot, we believe
• 25:43
  that if the right people get access and get some kind of
• 25:48
  protection so they can develop the, the, the right set of
• 25:51
  skills and, and connect with their values.
• 25:53
  We say the longest journey you will ever have to take is the
• 25:58
  journey between your head and your heart.
• 26:00
  And in business, this is like a forbidden language, right?
• 26:03
  So, so we believe that if you do all that, that young people
• 26:08
  being at the table, except especially proximate leaders
• 26:12
  from those forefronts being at the table and giving them
• 26:15
  opportunity to lead will not only deliver us better solutions
• 26:19
  that can be deployed right now, but also will foster new
• 26:22
  generation of leaders that will do a better job in the future.
• 26:26
  I have I have a book recommendation for you, please.
• 26:29
  It's it's one I don't think you've you've heard of yet
• 26:33
  because these episodes haven't been released as of this
• 26:35
  recording, but it's one that really moved me.
• 26:38
  It's by it's by this guy James Doty, although it goes by Jim
• 26:43
  and it's called into the magic shop.
• 26:45
  Have you heard of it? No, it's amazing.
• 26:47
  So he I mean for for the moon shots classed he he was 12 years
• 26:54
  old alcoholic father. Father was constantly really
• 26:59
  hitting his mom. He was just really in a
• 27:02
  horrible, horrible situation. And he walks into this magic
• 27:07
  shop in his hometown. He has no money, you know, their
• 27:10
  own food stamps. Like father can't keep a job
• 27:13
  because he's just a chronic alcoholic.
• 27:16
  And this guy, Neil, owns a magic shop.
• 27:19
  And he's like, oh, you know, Jim, my mom's in town and her
• 27:24
  name's Ruth. And Ruth sees him and has this.
• 27:29
  She looks at him and sees inside of his soul.
• 27:33
  And she's like, I can't teach you real magic or I can't teach
• 27:39
  you this, this fake magic, you know, with these magic tricks.
• 27:42
  But she's like, I can teach you real magic, and this real magic
• 27:47
  will change your life forever. Do you want to study with me?
• 27:51
  And at first he's like, Oh my gosh, she's a witch.
• 27:53
  You know what's going to happen? Like, she's going to kill me.
• 27:56
  You know, she's, I mean, he's very afraid.
• 28:00
  But he ultimately agrees. And the whole summer she teaches
• 28:05
  how to meditate, to steal his mind, she teaches him how to
• 28:09
  open his heart, she teaches him how to manifest his dreams.
• 28:15
  And it changes the rest of his life.
• 28:18
  And he goes off and has this phenomenal career until he
• 28:24
  forgets to lead from the heart. And it's all the things that
• 28:28
  happen as a result. But it's a really, really
• 28:32
  transformational book because it, I think it reinforces what
• 28:36
  you're teaching. It sounds beautiful, and I can
• 28:39
  see pieces of mosaic from my own life in it.
• 28:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That he's literally crying in
• 28:46
  the audible sometimes when he's reading the.
• 28:48
  Beginnings of of my life was were also like, yeah, very, very
• 28:53
  difficult. But let's, let's go back in time
• 28:55
  because because I, I, I mean, you're such a fascinating person
• 29:00
  on so many levels. I mean, I'm just kind of
• 29:03
  astounded with how much you've done.
• 29:04
  So let's talk about childhood. And then all the early
• 29:08
  influences led to dancing. And you know, you're training
• 29:12
  dancers and every, I mean, you've done so much in your life
• 29:15
  getting into the Henry Crown Fellowship.
• 29:18
  So in the beginning, I was born in the 80s in in Czechoslovakia,
• 29:22
  which was communistic country. And my mom, she fell in love
• 29:25
  with my father when he was studying University of Economics
• 29:30
  and diplomacy, foreign affairs. And I was born pretty early and,
• 29:37
  and it was kind of a weird in because there was no black
• 29:40
  people back then. It was like, it's really hard to
• 29:43
  imagine because now diversity in to some level is almost
• 29:47
  everywhere. But if you imagine like like I
• 29:53
  when I was being raised, I have never seen black people until I
• 29:59
  was 15 where another family moved into town so I was the
• 30:04
  only black kid and my father. He in in Prague, no.
• 30:07
  In Leberetz, it's a it's a, it's a city Reichenberg.
• 30:10
  It's in the north, OK, close to German border, the Sudetenland,
• 30:14
  the, the, the previously occupied part of Czech Republic
• 30:17
  and in the time of, of Hitler. So it's like this kind of a land
• 30:22
  that's, that's checked, but it is the house laws of Germans
• 30:25
  there. And when I was 4, my father was
• 30:29
  visiting his family in Nigeria and he never came back.
• 30:34
  And then we stayed just my mom, my grandma and my great grandma.
• 30:38
  So I was raised by three women. They were very loving and, and,
• 30:45
  but the space of Czech Republic was, was difficult for for me.
• 30:51
  It was difficult for many reasons.
• 30:52
  My mom, she was struggling just just maybe missing laugh.
• 30:58
  I think laugh was a is a big story in my family.
• 31:00
  I think there is some level of kind of a curse that was kind of
• 31:05
  passing down from from women. I think it started in Second
• 31:09
  World War. And then you know that there is
• 31:11
  this inherited curses that something happens, you know,
• 31:15
  some, some, some trauma. And then it kind of passes down
• 31:18
  because if you don't see it, you don't work with it, you don't
• 31:21
  put a stop to it. And, and when I was 15 and
• 31:27
  Internet came to our school, I started to look for my dad.
• 31:31
  And I actually after about 1 1/2 year, I found a university that
• 31:35
  knew of him and I reconnected with him, started to write
• 31:40
  letters. You know this is all pre e-mail.
• 31:44
  This is. Yeah.
• 31:45
  And, and then eventually I, I got the paperwork and when I was
• 31:51
  22, he came back to see me. So 18 years we've, we've been
• 31:55
  disconnected. And it was hard also because
• 31:58
  there was in my life when I was bringing, being brought up,
• 32:02
  there was lots of violence and lots of kind of suppressing
• 32:06
  things. Like if you're black, you can't
• 32:08
  hide it, right? So it's like you, you don't, you
• 32:13
  don't feel that you are different until the people start
• 32:17
  to let you know because you're looking inside out, right?
• 32:21
  So you have, you just feel like everybody else.
• 32:23
  And when people start to let you know, it can be harder.
• 32:26
  And then also, I'm part of the queer community.
• 32:29
  So that was another big thing in, in, in, in communism back
• 32:33
  then it was illegal, right to, to be clear and then.
• 32:36
  I didn't. I never knew that that it was
• 32:38
  illegal. Yeah, it was illegal.
• 32:39
  It was illegal. And, and, and so, so when you
• 32:41
  then there was the fall of the Berlin Wall 1989, which was I
• 32:46
  was like in a second grade. So this was not back then was
• 32:49
  not my, my, my issue. But then it takes generations
• 32:54
  when people have this stigma to kind of start to feel OK with,
• 32:59
  with this levels of differences. And so when I, when I brought
• 33:04
  and we, we, we reunited with my father when I was 22, I found
• 33:09
  out that there was actually a revolution in Nigeria.
• 33:12
  And then he couldn't actually leave.
• 33:15
  And he didn't, he didn't leave the country for, for for 18
• 33:18
  years, right? And.
• 33:20
  And This is why he had to stay. He's what he had to say.
• 33:22
  But we didn't know, you know, So there was, and I also found out
• 33:26
  that I have, he has a new wife and he has, I have brothers and
• 33:30
  sisters and that my closest brother actually has a Down
• 33:34
  syndrome and that, and then I and then he needs to also have a
• 33:38
  heart surgery because a lot of the kids with Down syndrome,
• 33:41
  they have the misalignment of chambers, which makes us the
• 33:45
  oxygenated and oxygenated blood. And then and then I felt like,
• 33:49
  oh wow. And in Nigeria, I don't want to
• 33:52
  now sound kind of bad, but like you, I think prefer not to do
• 34:00
  heart surgery in Nigeria. I don't know, maybe there is
• 34:03
  some hospital in some place. But when you compare it to Czech
• 34:06
  Republic, we have one of the best heart surgeons and you do
• 34:11
  like hundreds of heart transplantations a year in in
• 34:15
  Czech Republic. So we decided that we are going
• 34:18
  to try to to move them to Czech Republic.
• 34:20
  And that was my first big project.
• 34:22
  You know, I was very young. I, I, I used, you know, my
• 34:27
  resources and I felt like this is important because my
• 34:30
  upbringing was so hard. And now there was, and I also
• 34:33
  always was dreaming about maybe someone rescuing me, you know,
• 34:37
  my father or if I had an older brother now I was the older
• 34:40
  brother, right? And I was feeling this is
• 34:42
  beautiful actually, because now I could get to be what I was
• 34:45
  missing and I really wanted to be that.
• 34:48
  So so we moved the family. My brother had got his surgery
• 34:53
  and actually last week was the first week he has ever came to
• 34:58
  New York. Wow.
• 34:59
  And he came with my father to see the much of the wards and he
• 35:02
  is just beautiful soul and he teaches me so much because there
• 35:08
  is no you don't understand true meaning of freedom unless you
• 35:13
  spend some time with the kids with Down syndrome.
• 35:17
  There is this. They don't have the burden.
• 35:20
  There's some their presence when they are with you, it's like
• 35:24
  undevoted the attention and the presence.
• 35:26
  It feels beautiful. He has he's very empathic.
• 35:29
  He knows exactly what's going on emotionally with you without you
• 35:33
  even saying anything. So that's a little bit of my
• 35:37
  story of maybe even why I do what I do today because because
• 35:42
  I feel like I'm going to build Muncha platform for, you know,
• 35:46
  the 18 year old version of 15 even year old version of myself.
• 35:51
  So, so other young people who are creative and different, I'm
• 35:54
  dyslexic, you know, just to feel like they are.
• 35:58
  These are gifts and we should not waste those gifts.
• 36:01
  Right. We should put them in use and
• 36:03
  and and and. I think when people feel laughed
• 36:06
  and they can really produce amazing things to others.
• 36:09
  Yeah. And when did you, I mean, it's a
• 36:12
  beautiful story. And I, I just want to honor
• 36:14
  that, that at the Henry Crown Fellowship at the Aspen Action
• 36:19
  Forum, I remember when your dad was there and I remember the
• 36:22
  motion of that moment. I mean, it really moved me to
• 36:25
  tears hearing you tell that story with him there, you know,
• 36:31
  and seeing the tears in his eyes too.
• 36:34
  It's just, was just incredible. So when did you get into
• 36:39
  dancing? And then that and then how did
• 36:42
  that become you? Training other dancers you know
• 36:47
  O. So in the beginning, I remember
• 36:51
  we were living in block of flats, you know, we call IT
• 36:54
  projects here in, in America. And, and I just always the kids
• 36:59
  would come to me and ask me to teach them some moves.
• 37:02
  And I never really know where it's coming from, but I just had
• 37:04
  moves. Like when there was music, I had
• 37:06
  my moves and I could dance to anything.
• 37:08
  And I felt like this is great because it felt like I'm needed
• 37:14
  and I can like contribute to the community in a way that that is
• 37:18
  nice. And because at school I was not
• 37:20
  really good at school. I was really behind because we
• 37:23
  met this like say, I was really slow.
• 37:25
  Recognize. You're slow writer.
• 37:26
  No, because like they would but big then things where here
• 37:32
  everybody is like so careful and so you know, they diagnose and
• 37:37
  they give you the label and then everybody has to treat you
• 37:40
  differently. Like back then, it was not.
• 37:42
  It was nothing like that. It was just like, OK, do you
• 37:46
  keep up or you don't? Yeah.
• 37:48
  And. Then actually here it's evolved
• 37:50
  a lot. It used to not be very diagnosed
• 37:54
  and our youngest user has dyslexia and fortunately they
• 37:58
  caught that very early. But it can be really damaging if
• 38:04
  if they don't because you can think that you're stupid and
• 38:06
  actually a genius runs in dyslexics.
• 38:09
  Believe me, believe me, I had all of this.
• 38:12
  I was feeling really silly. I was really behind in my class.
• 38:18
  I was feeling like I'm, I'm slowing down other people.
• 38:21
  You know what? There was a lot of guilt and
• 38:24
  shame and and things about it, but on one, one end, I feel like
• 38:29
  it gave me certain level of resilience.
• 38:31
  I don't want to say this is a recipe for anybody else, but
• 38:35
  once in a time you have people who can actually carry this
• 38:40
  weight and who if they work through it, if they don't
• 38:44
  internalize it and then they do this deep kind of soul work into
• 38:48
  kind of don't become it but rise above it.
• 38:50
  I think it has some level of potential for you to be able to
• 38:57
  do more in the end and also to understand and empathize and,
• 39:00
  and understand the connection. Like I love to work with, with
• 39:03
  kids who have, who have different abilities and, and it
• 39:08
  just gives me this bridge. Yeah, I, I, I find it very
• 39:12
  affiliate. Have you ever read David versus
• 39:14
  Goliath, Malcolm Godwell's book? I know, I know the I don't know
• 39:18
  if this book, but I know the story.
• 39:20
  Yeah, what He tells the story of dyslexics and how resilient it
• 39:25
  makes them. It's a great chapter of the book
• 39:28
  that, Yeah, there's no doubt. So, yeah, so, so the dancing was
• 39:34
  there out there on the streets and then I started to teach
• 39:38
  aerobics because I was, I started to compete as a sport in
• 39:42
  sports aerobics. I won some medals.
• 39:44
  I was like a second in our country.
• 39:46
  I started even to represent internationally and I was
• 39:50
  craving to lead. I was always like, I want to
• 39:56
  teach, I want to lead. I love teaching and I love
• 39:59
  doing. So I started with movement,
• 40:01
  first aerobics, then dance, and then I remember I saved my first
• 40:05
  money. To go to Lai was 18 and I went
• 40:08
  to LA because I I got. At 18 this is all happening.
• 40:12
  At 18 I was. So you were the original moon
• 40:14
  shot? But I was when I was 17, I I got
• 40:18
  my first bus ticket because this was already the barely walls
• 40:22
  down the borders open. Imagine in communism, you cannot
• 40:26
  leave the country. You cannot speak the truth
• 40:28
  against you know your opinions. You cannot buy tropical fruits.
• 40:32
  You have like food stamps like there is, there is there is
• 40:35
  really a lot of constraints and then it opens and then it starts
• 40:38
  to like private property all this.
• 40:40
  So then when I am 17, I'm like, OK, I see that there is some
• 40:45
  amazing teachers in Amsterdam. So I got my bus ticket 24 hours
• 40:48
  by bus to Amsterdam. That's where I met the teacher
• 40:51
  from from LA. She gave me a leaflet.
• 40:53
  I came back home with that leaflet.
• 40:54
  I put it on my on my wall and with the moment I remember I had
• 40:59
  a calendar. This is the first manifestation
• 41:02
  that I realized that is happening and this I the moment
• 41:07
  I was bold enough to write the date when I'm going to America,
• 41:13
  I had no money, I had no plans, I had nothing.
• 41:16
  But the moment I put the date on the calendar, it's this big
• 41:20
  calendar that you flipping things just started to align.
• 41:23
  Yeah, like I I, I got, I remember I go to the campaign
• 41:27
  for T-Mobile. So I got summer campaign for
• 41:30
  billboards, you know, to shoot, shoot coming.
• 41:33
  So I should have come, I go to my first like $2000.
• 41:35
  It was a huge money back then. So I put it to the bank.
• 41:38
  Then I got a credit card for another 2000 and I could go all
• 41:41
  right. And, and, and then I was in
• 41:43
  America and, and I, and I remember I had this terrible
• 41:46
  hostel in Hollywood Blvd. you know, like a Eastern European
• 41:49
  kid thinking that you're going to Hollywood, then you do all
• 41:52
  the road chasing, right? And so I went there and I
• 41:55
  started to teach, learn dance. And then when I get got back
• 41:59
  after that first summer school, those two months there, like I
• 42:03
  brought something that no one had.
• 42:05
  I brought, like I brought something I learned, but in the
• 42:09
  mix if in my own heritage, because I believe that we, you
• 42:13
  know, epigenetics, there's certain coding in, in your
• 42:17
  blood. It's a memory of your cell, a
• 42:20
  memory of your DNA and movement is 1 of it.
• 42:23
  Like what do you smell? If something smells good to your
• 42:25
  bad, that's also epigenetics. If, if you, if the way you move,
• 42:30
  you can play me a Nigerian song and even though before I came to
• 42:34
  Nigeria for the first time, I would be moving like a Nigerian,
• 42:38
  even though I, you know, there is, there's, there.
• 42:40
  So, so when you then go and you mix it, then you come up with
• 42:43
  something completely new, especially when you're not
• 42:45
  academically trained, because then you don't have, you don't
• 42:48
  know what's right or what, what's wrong.
• 42:50
  It was always harder to unlearn than to learn.
• 42:52
  So that's what when I built my first dance company, when I
• 42:55
  started to get attention, then I had my first TV show as a host.
• 43:00
  I started to what? What year was that when you had?
• 43:03
  This was 1999, OK, 1999 and then 2000 and then when I started to
• 43:08
  kind of lead the part of the industry in Czech Republic and
• 43:12
  I, I was recognized for, for, for, for what they do.
• 43:15
  And I started to bring Americans to, to, to.
• 43:18
  So I I would bring the you're still.
• 43:20
  Very. Young, the choreographer of
• 43:22
  Justin Timberlake. The choreographer Janet Jackson,
• 43:26
  you know, like the top, top tier.
• 43:27
  I would I would create on this little mechanism and little
• 43:30
  business around it so I could bring because not all of the
• 43:34
  young kids could afford to go to LA like I was.
• 43:37
  I don't remember anybody else who would be that bored to to do
• 43:41
  that. So I was like, if you don't want
• 43:43
  to go, then I'll bring the people here.
• 43:44
  And I started to bring them and they changed the whole
• 43:47
  generation of also how Sweden's was perceived because before
• 43:51
  Sweden was like, you know, it's not even art form.
• 43:55
  And then when I I did it there, I realized that actually I can
• 43:59
  use the same pattern in other industries.
• 44:01
  So I went in because when you do dance, you're limited by budget,
• 44:06
  by maybe a choreographer. So I became choreographer, then
• 44:09
  you're limited by director. So I became director, then
• 44:12
  you're limited by producers. I became producer and then I
• 44:16
  automated by studio. So I build my own studio.
• 44:18
  So, so every time I felt like I don't have enough freedom and
• 44:22
  that was determining why we got international success because I
• 44:26
  would cancel the limitations about me above me until we were
• 44:30
  good enough to compete on a global level.
• 44:33
  And that's when we started to win.
• 44:35
  We, we did campaigns, big campaigns for like Apple,
• 44:37
  Google, Mercedes-Benz, the T-Mobile and we would produce
• 44:41
  things. And that's where, you know, it
• 44:44
  became like big and I started to travel around the world.
• 44:47
  So it really went up. But then when I compare it to
• 44:50
  what they do now, there was one really important question.
• 44:54
  And I think you you are following that same path that
• 44:58
  Tavet Henriques asked me. Do you know Tavet?
• 45:01
  I don't know. That he was at the beginning of
• 45:03
  Skype and he started transfer Vice.
• 45:05
  It's my fellow from from. OK, cool.
• 45:07
  So, yeah, amazing. He's one of the leading European
• 45:10
  entrepreneurs. And he one time he asked me,
• 45:13
  Yeah. I mean, what would happen if you
• 45:14
  didn't do it? I was thinking, what's the
• 45:18
  stupid question? You know, like, what do you
• 45:20
  mean? It took quite long time before I
• 45:23
  realized how profound that question is.
• 45:25
  And also in a way, is a question of privilege.
• 45:28
  Not many people can ask themselves this question.
• 45:31
  And I started to navigate. I realized that, you know, doing
• 45:36
  dance, if I don't do it, other people do it.
• 45:39
  Will they do it better or worse? They'll do it.
• 45:41
  They'll do it well. I was, I don't think I was the
• 45:44
  best in the world when I did started to do campaigns and
• 45:47
  advertising, I was thinking I'm making people buy more, more
• 45:52
  stuff, right? If I don't do it, somebody will
• 45:54
  do it, right? So now when I'm in moon shot and
• 45:57
  that was the pathway to moon shot, like to moon shot
• 46:00
  platform, Am I in a really unique position to do something
• 46:06
  that if I didn't do it, it wouldn't be done, It just
• 46:09
  wouldn't exist. And, and I think this is a
• 46:12
  moment, only certain moments in life you can do this because you
• 46:15
  need to get her enough understanding of who you are.
• 46:18
  What do you bring to the table and what's the unique position,
• 46:21
  what world is missing to be able to formulate something like
• 46:24
  that? And I think that search is not
• 46:28
  ending. It's it's ongoing.
• 46:30
  Yeah. What is your search of of what
• 46:33
  would happen if you didn't do it?
• 46:35
  Yeah, well, for me, if I didn't start programming when I was
• 46:37
  young, I can't imagine. I can't imagine not doing that.
• 46:44
  I mean, I, I was very lucky to have the mom that I had that
• 46:49
  bought me my computer at 7 and learned how to program with me
• 46:53
  and then let me do that without prejudice.
• 46:55
  All the forces were telling her that she was ruining me.
• 47:01
  My third grade teacher took her aside and said all he talks
• 47:05
  about in class is programming and he doesn't know how to play
• 47:09
  football and he doesn't know how to do anything else.
• 47:11
  He's going to be hopelessly lost in life.
• 47:14
  And she was, she turned beet red and she didn't tell me about
• 47:18
  this until she until I was in my 20s and I was already
• 47:22
  financially successful. And she told me because she
• 47:26
  didn't wanted to discourage me. I don't know.
• 47:29
  I mean, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I really think I was
• 47:32
  born to change the world through technology.
• 47:34
  Like I've known my divine calling since I was very young.
• 47:37
  So I can't imagine not doing it. Maybe if I didn't have the mom I
• 47:44
  had, it would have happened later.
• 47:46
  But it still would have happened.
• 47:48
  I know I was born for this purpose.
• 47:50
  It it. I don't think someone could have
• 47:53
  taken a computer away from me forever.
• 47:57
  At some point it would have happened.
• 47:58
  I think it's beautiful. I think this powerful calling is
• 48:01
  really kind of a compass. Yeah.
• 48:04
  So to, to to your N Yeah. If I compare it with my past, I
• 48:09
  had to to get rid of a lot of stones on the way to be able to
• 48:13
  see clear clearly, because when I was young, this there was this
• 48:18
  overachieving in order to prove, you know, your father, your
• 48:22
  mother, that you're good enough and all these all these things.
• 48:24
  Many people have it. And when you kind of get rid of
• 48:28
  this and you get rid of, you know, the ego game and that you
• 48:31
  never really get rid of it, but you become aware of it.
• 48:35
  Yeah, that's where I feel like I started to understand.
• 48:39
  And I also there there are signs in, in, in, in my surroundings
• 48:42
  when I moved from, you know, like a artistic but for profit
• 48:50
  kind of service space into this impact space.
• 48:54
  It's kind of cleared out the this my surroundings, like who
• 48:58
  is in my circle? Who are the people gravitating
• 49:00
  in? You know, if the when the
• 49:02
  mission is described really well and when you're being truthful
• 49:06
  to the mission and people trust you that that's you mean it,
• 49:10
  right? It's not like you are trying to
• 49:13
  make smoking mirrors and advertise something else and
• 49:16
  really do something else. It's like it's so it's just so
• 49:20
  sync synchronistic. Everything just works.
• 49:22
  It's like everywhere you want to go, the path is is just there.
• 49:27
  Right, right. You know, no, I agree and that's
• 49:31
  that's very Celestine prophecy, another book I love.
• 49:34
  And when you set your intentionality and when you open
• 49:37
  yourself up to the universe, to God, to consciousness, whatever
• 49:41
  you want to call that force that's rooted in love, things
• 49:45
  will happen. It think people show up to help
• 49:48
  you like just beautiful things will happen, but you have to you
• 49:52
  have to be open enough to realize they're happening.
• 49:55
  And there could be the answer to the key to your life could be
• 50:00
  staring at you right in the face and you could miss it.
• 50:03
  So you do have to be very open to it.
• 50:05
  The ego will block it out if you're not careful with that.
• 50:10
  I feel like what you say. I have so many examples.
• 50:16
  I'm a visual person, so whenever, whenever something is
• 50:20
  happening, when I'm looking back and thinking about the patterns,
• 50:23
  right? Like when you are at the
• 50:25
  junction, sometimes you don't know you're at the junction, but
• 50:28
  when you're old enough, you look back at the junctions of your
• 50:30
  life. Whether you say thanks to this
• 50:32
  moment, I am here. Thanks to that moment, you kind
• 50:35
  of can anticipate and see what, when, when the junctions are and
• 50:39
  also understand if you're at the right junction or not.
• 50:42
  I feel like it's happening like this, You know, that, that,
• 50:45
  that, that and when, when it when it comes to to this point,
• 50:50
  a lot of things happens at the same time, you know, like
• 50:53
  nothing is going on for so long. And then like this last week, I
• 50:57
  had the moon to the wards. I was finalizing my I'm trying
• 51:01
  to become a father. So surrogacy kind of the the
• 51:08
  final step in surrogacy. Then there was my father who
• 51:17
  decided to come to New York. Then there was like a big
• 51:21
  production calling me to, to to go and do like a big
• 51:25
  choreography on the other side of like like 5 or 6 things where
• 51:30
  it just happening in one, in one moment.
• 51:32
  And it, it happens periodically. It's like, it's almost like I
• 51:36
  already know it's coming and then always testing me.
• 51:39
  It's testing me. Am I going to be distracted or
• 51:41
  am I going to choose what really matters?
• 51:43
  It's like, you know, like a lot of sweets around and you really
• 51:47
  need to sacrifice and you need to stay focused like this.
• 51:50
  How I know that I'm continuing on the right path?
• 51:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I have.
• 51:56
  I have many of those moments too, where everything happens in
• 52:00
  a rush. It's almost like it's been
• 52:02
  building for that moment and there's so many things happen
• 52:05
  for a long time and then, you know, it's back to the slow
• 52:10
  build hitting the crescendo again.
• 52:14
  Absolutely. And you know, I have lots of
• 52:16
  faith that, you know, the the way I look at that now, walking
• 52:20
  a much more spiritual path is that it is walking in God's
• 52:25
  grace. It is walking in, you know, if
• 52:28
  you're, if you're a fan of the Dao De Ching, it's like walking
• 52:31
  the way you know that just the provider shows up because you're
• 52:37
  leading with great intentionality, great purpose.
• 52:41
  You have alignment to your sole mission in this lifetime.
• 52:44
  And it's amazing like how many things just will happen, but you
• 52:49
  have the free will and you have to act.
• 52:50
  It's not going to just happen if you just sit back and when you
• 52:55
  get in that state of flow, it's a beautiful, beautiful place to
• 52:58
  be. I mean, if it's what The
• 52:59
  Creative Act by Rick Rubin is all about.
• 53:01
  This is what that I'm working through.
• 53:03
  Have you read that book? I am also working through it.
• 53:06
  OK, good. I, I love it.
• 53:07
  I think it's I I've met, I've met him when I we were we, we, I
• 53:12
  work five years with Kanye West and Virgil Abblo.
• 53:15
  Yeah. So in that in that period of
• 53:17
  time, I also, I've also met with Rick.
• 53:19
  Yeah, you know, have you, have you seen how he listens to the
• 53:23
  music? Have you seen that?
• 53:25
  There's, there's a great 60 minutes, but he which features
• 53:30
  him, but he's just, he's there almost meditating, laying
• 53:34
  sometimes down, just listening to it.
• 53:37
  And they're asking him, what are you listening for?
• 53:40
  And he's like, I'm feeling the vibrations and he's like,
• 53:43
  there's something that lights up in my body where I know that
• 53:46
  it's right. And he himself does not make
• 53:50
  music. I mean, it's so interesting.
• 53:53
  Like he's just endowed with this gift where he can realize
• 53:56
  something. That's great.
• 54:00
  So in terms of, you know, what I'm working on with this
• 54:03
  podcast, and I know you just came back from Aptronic where
• 54:07
  you're training the robots. You know, we covered Aptronic on
• 54:10
  episode 4 of the podcast with Josh Baer.
• 54:13
  And it's amazing that, you know, Austin, this hometown of mine,
• 54:17
  is now producing companies like Aptronic.
• 54:21
  How do you think about this moment?
• 54:22
  I mean, this moment we're we're in the exponential of
• 54:25
  exponential curves. There's a lot of fear in this
• 54:28
  moment. There's a lot of people
• 54:30
  grafting, you know, the matrix or the Terminator or this
• 54:34
  dystopian sci-fi to this moment. It's huge reason again, why I
• 54:37
  came out with the lattice. Give give a counter to that.
• 54:42
  And, you know, there's all this fear of job loss and all this
• 54:47
  replacement. You know, I cover that quite a
• 54:49
  bit in episode 12 with Bayern Reeves on the path to Utopia.
• 54:53
  But how do you look at this moment that we're in and our
• 54:58
  path to what I'm calling the age of abundance for all?
• 55:02
  And by all, I mean all, I mean countries like Chad.
• 55:05
  You know, we have $85,800 per person GDP in America.
• 55:11
  We're the wealthiest country in the world, but there's a lot of
• 55:14
  countries in the world that still struggled to even to have
• 55:16
  electricity, have clean water. And I think the hope for those
• 55:21
  countries is abundance that we can't imagine today in those
• 55:28
  countries because of what's happening with AI and robotics
• 55:33
  and decoding. Like how to harness the energy
• 55:36
  from the sun, just 18 seconds of the sun's energy, the rays that
• 55:40
  hit the Earth. If we could capture 18 seconds,
• 55:42
  it would power the world for over a year.
• 55:45
  And we just need to have the material science breakthrough to
• 55:47
  get there, so. So.
• 55:51
  So I, you know, there was a conversation I had and there is
• 55:57
  so many people who, you know, is afraid of overpopulation.
• 56:01
  Yeah, and and. Now people are worried.
• 56:03
  A bunch of pups so. They were like, Oh my God, very
• 56:06
  big with so many people, you know, is this is it's funny how
• 56:09
  people can be afraid of information.
• 56:12
  You know, I see people who've never, you know, left leave the
• 56:17
  continent. This has been in one continent
• 56:19
  all their life. And they see the statistics how,
• 56:22
  you know, population is rising in India and China and here
• 56:25
  they're worried there will not be enough food in the things.
• 56:28
  And then, you know, I have, you know, between 40 to 70 flights a
• 56:33
  year. I go every year, probably every
• 56:37
  continent, not Australia every year, but every second year.
• 56:40
  And, and I see this vast, vast, vast space of the planet Earth.
• 56:45
  There's so much space, there's so much abundance.
• 56:49
  I just don't believe that there is scarcity of anything.
• 56:53
  I, I know there is enough of everything.
• 56:57
  The issue is not that we don't have enough.
• 56:59
  The issue is the distribution. We are, you know, when, when we
• 57:06
  get hurt, we have trauma. We become hoarders, we become
• 57:12
  bullies, we become, you know, fighters or like all this is is
• 57:19
  just unhealed trauma. And then the decisions we make
• 57:22
  are are just are just manifestation of that.
• 57:25
  So, so I think, even though I agree with you that that he has
• 57:29
  this age should bring abundance for all should.
• 57:34
  And at the same time, will we be courageous enough to, to let go
• 57:40
  and to allow for, for things to be shared, You know, because
• 57:45
  that has never been, that has never been really done really
• 57:49
  well. It has been done in pockets,
• 57:51
  right? And, and unfortunately, what I'm
• 57:54
  seeing and what I'm also fighting for with Munchard
• 57:57
  platform is to fill in this vacuum of leadership or, or
• 58:04
  this, this, this corrupted leadership that we are, that we
• 58:09
  are seeing that has that is really extractive and
• 58:14
  destructive. And it's not, you know, it's
• 58:17
  very far from from the value based, you know, that we that we
• 58:22
  in our spend like to discuss deeply and and then, you know,
• 58:26
  and at the same time, what is the idea of leadership of the
• 58:30
  young generation that's also a Persian.
• 58:32
  Yeah, yeah. I mean I am covering in in in
• 58:35
  the book I'm writing, you know, Love Conquer Sphere, which is
• 58:39
  going to come out probably in April and May of next year.
• 58:43
  I am writing about the fact that.
• 58:48
  That it. Is there are, there is going to
• 58:51
  be some darkness. So I'm, I'm not trying to say
• 58:53
  that there's not We, we have, we have a lot to overcome as
• 58:58
  humanity. And you know, our amygdala is
• 59:02
  very strong in our brain. And the reason it's so strong is
• 59:08
  that, you know, you and I are already in the top .1 percent of
• 59:14
  Homo sapiens and everybody listening to this is.
• 59:18
  And the reason why is that for 99.9% of our existence as Homo
• 59:24
  sapiens, around 300,000 years, we didn't have electricity.
• 59:28
  Like everybody listening to this has electricity and electricity
• 59:34
  is like a miracle. You know, life before
• 59:36
  electricity and life after electricity, very, very
• 59:40
  different types of life, just like life before, you know,
• 59:44
  clean water and life after clean water or life before fire and
• 59:50
  life after fire and the ability to cook our food and warm our
• 59:53
  homes. And so, you know, the, we're
• 59:58
  getting hijacked a lot. You know, we get hijacked by the
• 1:00:01
  media, which is pushing dystopian to us.
• 1:00:06
  It's very big business to push dystopian because our amygdala
• 1:00:10
  will react, you know, it'll crave that.
• 1:00:13
  Even though we know it's, it's, it's toxic for us.
• 1:00:16
  If we really center ourselves and think about it, it's going
• 1:00:20
  to it's going to hijack us a lot because.
• 1:00:24
  These algorithms that are constantly being honed are
• 1:00:28
  focusing on what's going to get people to click, click, click,
• 1:00:32
  click, click all the time. And we're hijacking our bodies
• 1:00:35
  with chemical additives and food.
• 1:00:39
  We're hijacking ourselves with with all types of pharmaceutical
• 1:00:43
  products. I mean, heroin is essentially
• 1:00:44
  legal. That's opioids, you know,
• 1:00:48
  psychedelics which which you know, have to be used with very
• 1:00:52
  careful intentionality. And I only use them in very
• 1:00:55
  sacred fashions. Those are illegal, right?
• 1:01:00
  You've got, you've got, at least in this country, you have
• 1:01:04
  something which therapeutically is amazing.
• 1:01:06
  I was actually seeing this chart recently that's showing the
• 1:01:12
  effect of a drug on an individual as well as the people
• 1:01:17
  around them. And it was showing everything
• 1:01:19
  alcohol, crack cocaine, heroin, etcetera, all the way to magic
• 1:01:27
  mushrooms or psilocybin. And it showed alcohol on this
• 1:01:31
  chart as a 74 out of 100. Magic mushrooms were a three out
• 1:01:36
  of 100. And alcohol was actually worse
• 1:01:39
  on this chart for you than crack cocaine in term not, not for
• 1:01:44
  your body, it although it was really bad for your body, but
• 1:01:48
  for the people around you in terms of the violence that
• 1:01:52
  happens. And this is, you know, a legal
• 1:01:54
  product. I'm not suggesting alcohol
• 1:01:56
  should be illegal. I just think we should be very
• 1:01:58
  honest about what it is, that it is poison and it has a utility.
• 1:02:03
  It definitely has a social lubricant utility, etcetera, but
• 1:02:07
  taken too far that social lubricant utility can turns
• 1:02:10
  into, you know, not not a very good place.
• 1:02:13
  So I'm not, I'm not suggesting that it's going to be easy to
• 1:02:17
  get there, but I do think this exponential curve is going to
• 1:02:21
  force us to make a choice to choose abundance or choose this
• 1:02:28
  path through these technologies. They're so powerful, much more
• 1:02:32
  powerful than anything we've manifested before it.
• 1:02:37
  It could lead to our destruction.
• 1:02:39
  And I'm 95% certain that when push comes to shove, we'll make
• 1:02:43
  the right choice. You know, in the Lattice, I'm
• 1:02:46
  envisioning a positive catalyst for us to make it that.
• 1:02:49
  Where are you sitting with this in your gut?
• 1:02:52
  In terms of how I'm 95% certain we make it, there's a 5% chance
• 1:02:58
  we destroy ourselves, Where? Where do you think that?
• 1:03:00
  So I'm, I'm, I'm 100% on we're going to make it.
• 1:03:05
  My bigger worry is through how much suffering we will make it
• 1:03:12
  right? So, so, so, so, so I know that,
• 1:03:15
  you know, our ability to survive is huge and that we, you know,
• 1:03:19
  always also even crisis always generates a hero, right?
• 1:03:24
  All it, it just, it's like it's always that way.
• 1:03:28
  The question is at what cost? That's what worries me because
• 1:03:34
  because I, you know, I am very proximate to people.
• 1:03:37
  You know, when, when, when, when I was, you know, in Czech
• 1:03:40
  Republic, I would have, you know, especially mothers send me
• 1:03:46
  letters with their mixed kids, right?
• 1:03:49
  Would they are would they have to kind of survive from the
• 1:03:54
  society and I and I felt so sad because I felt like it's why is
• 1:04:00
  this even why is this even issue?
• 1:04:02
  You know, then then when I went to to the United States and I
• 1:04:06
  moved here and I another I saw another like marginalized groups
• 1:04:11
  who are and that suffering is still just psychological
• 1:04:16
  suffering, right, which is just it's not it doesn't mean it's
• 1:04:20
  less. But I think we are heading into
• 1:04:23
  into a space where, and this is exactly kind of on my mind
• 1:04:30
  because I just came from from from teaching the robots how to
• 1:04:33
  how to move right and how to how to be how this also just to
• 1:04:39
  explain it to Robert Apollo is, is the optronic robot.
• 1:04:43
  There was a first chapter. Now there is a second edition
• 1:04:46
  and then there will be a third. So now we're working on the
• 1:04:48
  second one and the second one is going to be, you know, in the
• 1:04:52
  shopping mall in the, in the factory when they're making
• 1:04:57
  cars, you know, and it's, it already has like pretty good
• 1:05:00
  ability to, to do work. The third one will be the one
• 1:05:04
  that will be able to be home and, and help you with, with,
• 1:05:08
  with stuff. Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  And it's, it's the, the, the, the trajectory is really
• 1:05:12
  exponential. So how it's gonna, it's gonna
• 1:05:15
  shake up completely shake up our sense of self worth and our
• 1:05:20
  purpose because when we not when, when, when society don't
• 1:05:25
  need us to do things, physically do things, how is it going to
• 1:05:30
  affect us? And now what comes in play is
• 1:05:33
  the actors, the good and bad actors.
• 1:05:35
  I the reason why I do this work, people ask me, why are you doing
• 1:05:39
  this? This is like gonna, it'll be our
• 1:05:41
  dooms because everybody sees the Terminator and I I'm like, who
• 1:05:45
  is gonna? Like who's gonna, who's gonna?
• 1:05:48
  If, if all of you are just gonna point fingers and complain while
• 1:05:51
  it's staying on the outside, then actually you're
• 1:05:54
  manifesting, you know the worst because you're imagining it.
• 1:05:56
  You're doing nothing right? It's like, it's like, I think
• 1:05:59
  what's beautiful about this time is that we are alive and we can
• 1:06:03
  be hand in hand, the artist and the engineer, the CEO and the,
• 1:06:09
  the mentor and the, you know, the mother and the kid in the
• 1:06:14
  factory influencing how the robot should be, what it should
• 1:06:18
  do. And that's how we make sure that
• 1:06:21
  it's going to be in service of humanity.
• 1:06:23
  And that, and I, I really, I might be naive, but I believe
• 1:06:26
  that robots can actually make us more human.
• 1:06:30
  I believe that the robots can awaken deeper humanity that
• 1:06:34
  we've ever imagined. Because what when you look at
• 1:06:37
  schools, when you look at industrialization, we've been
• 1:06:40
  making robots of each other. You know, we've been we've been
• 1:06:43
  making like you come on time, you do this and this much units,
• 1:06:46
  I expect you to deliver. This is your performance at this
• 1:06:50
  how much percentage? This is robot behavior, right?
• 1:06:53
  Yeah, so, so it comes out of training people for a factory.
• 1:06:56
  Yeah, and you exactly. And you need to deliver, you
• 1:06:58
  need to have like a really precise outcome and output.
• 1:07:03
  So I think robots and also robots, the way we will train
• 1:07:08
  them psychologically, they will be, you know, they are the AI,
• 1:07:11
  they'll maybe the smart entities and they're going to be big.
• 1:07:15
  So this also influences your cognitive function when you know
• 1:07:20
  there is an entity that is actually in the physical space
• 1:07:23
  and it can remind you of your humanity and you can become more
• 1:07:25
  human. So that I find really important.
• 1:07:28
  But there is also actors who haven't healed their childhood
• 1:07:34
  trauma, who haven't, you know, went on this spot and who will
• 1:07:39
  only see numbers and who will only see kind of like that kind
• 1:07:46
  of clinical, clean, clear, right?
• 1:07:49
  Human experience is messy, right?
• 1:07:52
  It's not straightforward. It's not like if you don't
• 1:07:55
  understand it, it doesn't exist. No, you don't understand it.
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  It still exists. And if OK, you have to be OK
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  with this uncertainty that you don't know.
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  And, and sometimes like the smarter people are, the smarter
• 1:08:06
  engineers are, the more discomfort there is from the
• 1:08:11
  uncertainty. They hate it.
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  I know this from scientific community and from and and I
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  think that that that we need to be able to capture what we work
• 1:08:20
  around robot because I think some of the bright and dark
• 1:08:27
  that's going to be the frontier I, I and humanoids.
• 1:08:32
  Yeah. And how do you you said 100%.
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  So how do you envision that happening?
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  Like one of the ways I think about it is that we're in such a
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  pronounced acceleration that like a week of tech progress to
• 1:08:48
  me right now feels like a year, 10 years ago.
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  And I don't know what a week is going to feel like 10 years from
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  now, but I'm kissing like several hours is going to feel
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  like a week like, you know, today.
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  And I think that my, my thesis is it's going to happen both
• 1:09:08
  with the leaders as well as the groundswell.
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  And the groundswell is people are going to be able to see,
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  hey, there's this future of abundance over the horizon.
• 1:09:18
  We're talking the end of disease, unlimited energy, you
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  know, food abundance, you know, water abundance, desalinization
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  everywhere, like things we can't imagine today.
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  And hey, let's choose that. And like really, really also put
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  the pressure on the leaders. I mean, you know, we studied in
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  the Henry Crown Fellowship. We studied Gandhi, you know,
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  this Gandhi used numbers, you know, in a non violent way to
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  overwhelm the British. Mandela did the same thing in in
• 1:09:47
  South Africa. How do you how do you think it's
• 1:09:52
  actually going to happen? I think that you know the tale
• 1:09:59
  of the Omega theme. The tale of which one the.
• 1:10:03
  Tale of the Omega theme. No, it's an opening of that that
• 1:10:08
  that mark, I'm sorry, I forgot the name.
• 1:10:12
  It's live 3 point O book. I haven't wrote it.
• 1:10:16
  And the 1st chapter is the Tale of the Armageddon.
• 1:10:18
  It's very interesting. I recommend it.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah. I don't read much.
• 1:10:22
  I'm very slow reader, but this this is my favorite.
• 1:10:25
  And they they kind of show what happens.
• 1:10:29
  It's like a little bit, it's a sci-fi.
• 1:10:32
  So it's all about how AI is going to actually dominate, but
• 1:10:36
  in a good way. Yeah, I think it's Ted Chang or
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  something. Yeah, I, I, I can kind of see
• 1:10:41
  his name. I I I think I have this.
• 1:10:44
  Book I haven't heard Ted Marks. Yeah, I can't remember, but
• 1:10:47
  anyways, yeah, life 3.0. Life 3 dot and so, so, so there
• 1:10:53
  are many different versions of this, like what will happen.
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  So I have a little different approach to it.
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  And this is maybe 2 philosophical, but one is I'm a
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  little bit struggling with the idea of free will.
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  The way we think about it. I think it's a little bit
• 1:11:14
  different than how we think about it.
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  And I think we have a little bit less free will than we think.
• 1:11:21
  And the second thing is I think we actually are manifesting,
• 1:11:25
  even if we don't know it constantly.
• 1:11:28
  And it's this, it's this collective manifestation.
• 1:11:31
  So what does it mean if I start with with a free will?
• 1:11:37
  I think there is, there are like islands of free will in our
• 1:11:42
  lives, but I think 99% is like autopilot.
• 1:11:46
  It's like something happens and then we just fall and there are
• 1:11:50
  moments where we kind of are really entering the system to
• 1:11:55
  change in the subconscious how the system will operate.
• 1:12:00
  And that's where we meditate. That's where we have these great
• 1:12:03
  experience like jumping off the plane or, or, or the big
• 1:12:08
  rituals, right? Like a wedding ritual.
• 1:12:10
  That's where we can access like the leaper core and the
• 1:12:14
  reprogram. But I think otherwise, I think
• 1:12:17
  we are really very predictable and we see it more and more from
• 1:12:22
  algorithms. So how they can even choose what
• 1:12:24
  we buy and when we buy it, you know?
• 1:12:27
  And so, so I think we need to learn how to practice awareness,
• 1:12:32
  like a full awareness, Yeah. And then I think that the
• 1:12:35
  countries and families and communities who will practice
• 1:12:39
  that and will train that muscle and kids will be the winning
• 1:12:45
  because they will be able to manifest for them.
• 1:12:49
  And I, I also don't want people to feel like manifesting those
• 1:12:52
  people. When you say manifesting, they
• 1:12:53
  think it's like, OK, you just focus and that's it.
• 1:12:56
  No, but The thing is, is for me is a lot of work.
• 1:12:59
  It's like you don't just you don't just, it's not wishful
• 1:13:02
  thinking for me. It is like you need to work
• 1:13:05
  towards it, right, with a belief or maybe not even believe with a
• 1:13:09
  gratitude like it has already happened, but stir still works,
• 1:13:13
  works towards it. And then let also universe to
• 1:13:16
  give it to you in the most unexpected way.
• 1:13:18
  Don't be so kind of holding on to that.
• 1:13:22
  The outcome has to happen through a certain way like you
• 1:13:26
  want it. The outcome happened.
• 1:13:27
  So there is a there is like a little outcome around
• 1:13:30
  manifestation. So I just want to put it out
• 1:13:31
  there so it doesn't feel. Like Doctor Joe Dispenza, the
• 1:13:35
  scans as well. Yeah, it has a beautiful way to
• 1:13:37
  to describe it. Yeah.
• 1:13:39
  So that is the that is the side of the this one side.
• 1:13:43
  There was the other one and I forgot what it was.
• 1:13:46
  The, the Omega, Yeah. The the Omega team, yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so there there was a free
• 1:13:54
  will and then there was a manifestation.
• 1:13:56
  And I think that if you think about it, every human
• 1:14:02
  innovation, every kind of shift in the paradigm has always
• 1:14:08
  started with imagination. You know, when you think about
• 1:14:14
  the rocket, first it was a literature that they describe
• 1:14:19
  the rocket. Then there was a painter, he
• 1:14:20
  painted the rocket. And only then scientists started
• 1:14:23
  to think about how could rocket work.
• 1:14:26
  And today you have rockets, right, or Julius Vern, right,
• 1:14:30
  submarine, and all this is always happening in imagination.
• 1:14:33
  So I think we have to learn how to work better with our
• 1:14:37
  imagination and be more intentional about what do we
• 1:14:40
  want to imagine. And that's again, little bit of
• 1:14:43
  what we do at moon shot with the young people that that that it
• 1:14:47
  really, if you're intentional, like look at how much we consume
• 1:14:51
  content, you know, like all the TV, the shows, everything, and
• 1:14:56
  then how much of this content you consume it, it changes how
• 1:15:01
  you dream, right, And then also Daydream, you know.
• 1:15:05
  So I think once we figure out how to be more interesting about
• 1:15:08
  this, we also will be able to kind of castaway some of the
• 1:15:12
  more dark times and and invite maybe more of the like a
• 1:15:17
  positive feature not to be the slave to the Amidala and to this
• 1:15:21
  kind of trauma porn that takes us kind of a down into like a
• 1:15:25
  low frequency content. Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  What do you think about this reality that we're living in
• 1:15:33
  beyond the veil like you? What work have you done to get
• 1:15:38
  in tune with your soul or you know, the spiritual path?
• 1:15:42
  So this, that's what I think is probably the most exciting thing
• 1:15:46
  about this age. Yeah.
• 1:15:48
  I think like the the what we are seeing on the forefront of, you
• 1:15:53
  know, the news and elections and and, you know, and the wars and
• 1:15:57
  all that. It's terrible and it's and it's
• 1:16:00
  and it's definitely it's there and it's reality.
• 1:16:03
  You know, I don't, I don't wanna disregard it.
• 1:16:06
  At the same time, we are kind of being destructed from some of
• 1:16:11
  the most important evolutions in science and in human
• 1:16:16
  consciousness that that could be a cure for everything that's on
• 1:16:20
  the forefront. But it's in the back.
• 1:16:22
  It's in the like a kind of in the back end.
• 1:16:24
  And that's what what really excites me.
• 1:16:26
  So how I access it. So I had some no health
• 1:16:31
  challenges in the past. My mother has a Rev rheumatoid
• 1:16:36
  arthritis and, and so I have high risk and I had, I had some,
• 1:16:41
  some challenges where I felt like I need to have a surgery.
• 1:16:46
  And then I, I said, OK, I'm not going to have a surgery because
• 1:16:50
  I haven't tried everything else. I will try everything else and
• 1:16:53
  then it doesn't work, then I'll go have a surgery.
• 1:16:56
  And I had a good friends who were kind of encouraging me and
• 1:17:00
  because already back back then, I was already travelling around
• 1:17:05
  indigenous tribes and learning from how they move, because I
• 1:17:09
  believe this is another we could have another podcast just around
• 1:17:11
  it. I believe that that I I spread
• 1:17:14
  travel like 20 years meet with indigenous trap and see how they
• 1:17:17
  move and how they rhythm is. I believe there is another layer
• 1:17:20
  of intelligence in movement. And I think it's even more
• 1:17:23
  profound than language. I think language is man made.
• 1:17:28
  It's made by the mind, the words, but but movement, all
• 1:17:36
  this is not my make. It comes from much deeper layers
• 1:17:41
  of our communication skills before we learn how to speak.
• 1:17:45
  Our movement was just booty movement.
• 1:17:48
  And so I know that I can move certain way and I can say
• 1:17:53
  something I wouldn't be able to explain in 10 sentences.
• 1:17:57
  I can do this movement and I can, I can show you whole
• 1:18:02
  information package, you know, so there is something in, in, in
• 1:18:05
  it. So I was studying this, I was
• 1:18:07
  going around the world, you know, I went to New Zealand and
• 1:18:10
  then Indonesia and, and fit African tribes.
• 1:18:14
  And then I had this health scare.
• 1:18:16
  I started to have some problems and I just entered at that same
• 1:18:20
  level, different types of healing modalities.
• 1:18:25
  I just loved it. And I started to my I'm a little
• 1:18:28
  bit of a geek, not just artist, but also, yeah, I laugh all all
• 1:18:31
  this alchemy. So I started to really learn it.
• 1:18:34
  And for many years I I learned it and and I realized how, you
• 1:18:39
  know, self healing possible when you think about placebo.
• 1:18:43
  You cannot take a take a sugar and your body will heal if you
• 1:18:46
  believe that the sugar is is right as a cure.
• 1:18:48
  Yeah. So where the healing comes from,
• 1:18:50
  the healing comes from your own energy, your own body, your own
• 1:18:55
  intelligence. Yeah.
• 1:18:56
  So it's already there. Yeah, right.
• 1:18:57
  The cold plunges now the big trend, right?
• 1:19:00
  Do ice bath that activates your your healing.
• 1:19:03
  So, so rituals deep in deep jungle are like more complex
• 1:19:09
  mechanisms to access that that we like a Western Europeans and
• 1:19:14
  Western world, we just, we are a little bit afraid of it because
• 1:19:17
  there's too much variables, right, Being in the forest and
• 1:19:21
  the night with the fire and it's too much variable.
• 1:19:24
  But it's excellent when you kind of enter it, when you learn
• 1:19:28
  about it, when you learn about how many generations it's passed
• 1:19:32
  down. And that can be done with or
• 1:19:35
  without substance. The band based medicine, whether
• 1:19:38
  it is psilocybin, ayahuasca, bufaris, the toad, frog and, and
• 1:19:43
  and and others in Czech Republic.
• 1:19:45
  I I also sit on the board of Cyrus, which is a foundation
• 1:19:49
  that supports research of psychedelics.
• 1:19:52
  And we were able to accomplish after many years that Czech
• 1:19:56
  Republic has a placed psilocybin as a as a medical.
• 1:20:02
  Paramedically approved substance, so the doctors can
• 1:20:06
  now use it and we are just one of the few countries in the
• 1:20:10
  world that this is allowed. So I believe in this work deeply
• 1:20:13
  and in my personal life, this has been some of the most
• 1:20:19
  significant teaching methods and and allowed me to dig much
• 1:20:25
  deeper into, you know, who I am and what this world is,
• 1:20:29
  understand each other more. Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  And I've, I've covered how that's been the case for me too.
• 1:20:34
  But what was the specific moment you know, in a journey where you
• 1:20:41
  realized what our reality was, or at least you could grasp at
• 1:20:45
  it more? So there was, for example, one
• 1:20:49
  experience that was that was kind of explained to me the
• 1:20:53
  understanding of God. Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  And and I, you know, I have a father who is a Christian
• 1:20:58
  pastor. You also you can imagine in our
• 1:21:01
  families in when I was young, there was so much fighting, you
• 1:21:04
  know, about, about like what Bible says and doesn't.
• 1:21:07
  That was especially about queer people, right.
• 1:21:09
  I'm always fighting about the the idea that that that, you
• 1:21:13
  know, that the word homosexual appeared in the Bible in King
• 1:21:18
  James translation and before it was not there.
• 1:21:21
  And then how did it go there? And who translated was and that
• 1:21:24
  it was actually a mistranslated. And you know, so there's so much
• 1:21:28
  and then people, just people just, you know, even Bible even
• 1:21:34
  written text in a way, it's advertising, right, right in the
• 1:21:38
  way it's and people are just people.
• 1:21:40
  So. It's a means of programming.
• 1:21:42
  It's a means of programming. So, so, so, so you need to be
• 1:21:44
  opened enough to understand that there will be people with
• 1:21:49
  different intentions and agendas that are going to interfere with
• 1:21:52
  this, right? If it is, you know, God's work
• 1:21:55
  and, and, and so, so that's, so that's, that's something that
• 1:21:59
  that we would, we would fight about.
• 1:22:00
  But then I had this experience and I realize, not realize, I,
• 1:22:07
  I, I kind of comprehended that the God is an Omni entity that,
• 1:22:13
  that, that each of us, we have our personal access to God.
• 1:22:18
  Yes, there is one God, but there is also God in everything, in
• 1:22:23
  every single thing. It's.
• 1:22:25
  Within us all, it's. Very hard to comprehend because
• 1:22:28
  there is not even language for it.
• 1:22:30
  Because if you say there is many gods that is blasphemy right?
• 1:22:33
  Towards some religions. They are like because it's it's
• 1:22:36
  a slippery slow because then people will make themselves God
• 1:22:39
  or they will they will. They will have icons that they
• 1:22:42
  will worship, which is forbidden in some religions.
• 1:22:45
  So it's very, it's very hard. Our language simply is
• 1:22:48
  primitive. It's not good enough to fully
• 1:22:51
  give us what it means. But when you are in a, in a
• 1:22:55
  psychedelic altered state of mind, it can.
• 1:22:58
  It doesn't have to be South Carolina.
• 1:22:59
  It can be breath work. I also lead workshops.
• 1:23:02
  By the way, in April I have another SLN workshop.
• 1:23:05
  Oh good. And I wanted to go to the last.
• 1:23:07
  One you can come the. Reason I couldn't go is because
• 1:23:10
  ServiceNow was buying data dot world.
• 1:23:13
  You know that closed on 70. So that's why I have
• 1:23:15
  congratulations. Well, thank you.
• 1:23:17
  It's amazing that that is why I had to cancel because I was
• 1:23:20
  signed up to go. I do yours at Esalen.
• 1:23:22
  That was going to be my first time to ever go to Esalen so.
• 1:23:25
  I'm doing another one. It's I think 18 of April, and
• 1:23:29
  I'm doing also a breath work and breath work.
• 1:23:31
  I love it because for people who are a little bit more
• 1:23:33
  conservative, who don't want to go and also it's a great entry
• 1:23:36
  point and you know, with just pure oxygen, you get yourself in
• 1:23:40
  altered state of consciousness. What what I love with Iowa
• 1:23:44
  school, what happens is that you the channel of hear, sight,
• 1:23:52
  smell and taste, they become one.
• 1:23:56
  So you can, I would look at the moon and the moon had a color
• 1:23:59
  and I could taste it on my tongue, right.
• 1:24:02
  Or you have someone playing the strings and you can see the
• 1:24:05
  music. You can see it visually.
• 1:24:08
  Very powerful, very important because it is limiting, right?
• 1:24:12
  Our senses were not built to tell us the truth.
• 1:24:16
  Our senses were built to make us survive.
• 1:24:19
  And imagine that thousands and thousands of generations, the
• 1:24:23
  nature always prioritize survivor over truth.
• 1:24:28
  You know, it is US who are hunting through like we, it's so
• 1:24:33
  important for us, but the nature doesn't care.
• 1:24:35
  The nature is like, no, no, no, you need to survive so, so so
• 1:24:38
  this is the window into the truth where you realize that
• 1:24:42
  actually you don't have smell inside.
• 1:24:44
  These are organs that translate the information into these
• 1:24:48
  subjective senses. But actually it's one stream of
• 1:24:52
  sensory. And when you do, for example, I
• 1:24:54
  was called Buffalo eyes. It comes together.
• 1:24:57
  So then when you start to kind of experience of the
• 1:25:01
  relationship with God with this one united sense that is imagine
• 1:25:07
  that you at sight hearing all together, it becomes super
• 1:25:11
  powerful. And then you then you explore
• 1:25:14
  that and and it happened to me when and I realized that I, I
• 1:25:19
  saw the gods of every person in the room and my own.
• 1:25:23
  And then, and then I understood that there is this language that
• 1:25:26
  your God approaches you through your language, through your
• 1:25:30
  understanding, you know, in your own, it's almost like it's you
• 1:25:34
  because that's the best access that that you can have.
• 1:25:38
  So, so that would be one of the one of the findings.
• 1:25:41
  There is like thousands of findings, you know, in one night
• 1:25:44
  you can discover like 1020 different concepts.
• 1:25:49
  And then it's much harder to speak about it because simply
• 1:25:51
  language. I feel like we are a little bit
• 1:25:55
  lost because of the language. We language is such an ancient a
• 1:25:59
  tool. Very, very old.
• 1:26:01
  It's very flattening. Very primitive.
• 1:26:04
  Your music is much more depth and much richness, and I also
• 1:26:09
  have to people are not good and we should train this to our kids
• 1:26:14
  not to allow language to use us because most of the time
• 1:26:18
  language is using US instead of us using the language.
• 1:26:21
  Look at all the fights and awards over words.
• 1:26:24
  All right, like like people don't look enough on what
• 1:26:27
  intention is behind the word. They just look at the word and
• 1:26:31
  they weaponize it and shoot it back.
• 1:26:33
  I think one of the most dangerous things in our time is
• 1:26:37
  inherited conversations. When you have a baby and you
• 1:26:41
  think baby don't understand, you know 3-4 and then you implement
• 1:26:47
  and in infiltrate certain codes before you start to wrap your
• 1:26:54
  mind around logic of those codes, the codes are already
• 1:26:56
  there. They are the underlying.
• 1:26:58
  It's like the fish in the water. The fish doesn't know it's in
• 1:27:00
  the water until you take it out of the water.
• 1:27:02
  And then it's like whoa, whoa. So language is that water for
• 1:27:05
  me. And being able to differentiate
• 1:27:09
  interpretation from reality is also our weak, weak side.
• 1:27:13
  We, we are for survivor, for survival.
• 1:27:17
  We have to interpret very fast and only store our
• 1:27:20
  interpretations, not the reality.
• 1:27:22
  So we are really actually very bad in remembering reality.
• 1:27:26
  We're really good in remembering how we felt when someone said
• 1:27:29
  something or how did we interpret it.
• 1:27:31
  But the reality no. And this is cause of so much,
• 1:27:34
  you know, harm in the world. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:37
  I mean, one of the things that I'd done in terms of my deep
• 1:27:40
  dive on spiritual text as I've looked for the unity, you know,
• 1:27:45
  this is also part of what the lattice is about.
• 1:27:49
  Where did they agree? And the area that they agree is
• 1:27:54
  the same thing I've experienced in psychedelic journeys, which
• 1:27:57
  is we're rooted in this reality beyond that deeply loves us,
• 1:28:04
  that there's this force, you know, call it God, call it
• 1:28:07
  consciousness, call it the universe that has this deep love
• 1:28:10
  for each individual, each individual creature, each of us.
• 1:28:15
  And that that actually is the world of light and love that we
• 1:28:20
  come from. But then here we are in this
• 1:28:23
  Earth school and we have to constantly, we have amnesia.
• 1:28:27
  We don't have any knowledge about our past lifetimes, and we
• 1:28:31
  have to. We do.
• 1:28:32
  We do, but it's, it's under, it's underneath the
• 1:28:37
  consciousness. It's like I feel like we we can
• 1:28:40
  access knowledge from from the past, yes, but not with our mind
• 1:28:44
  but with our body. With our bodies, yeah, that's
• 1:28:46
  well said. And and, you know, definitely in
• 1:28:49
  journeys I've seen people access all types of past lives.
• 1:28:54
  But, you know, we're we're constantly in this Earth school,
• 1:28:57
  like figuring out how to be a better human, like figure out
• 1:29:01
  how to be more in alignment with some of our soul, right?
• 1:29:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:06
  Well, this is the journey, right?
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  Is, is to, you know, figure out how to allow love to conquer our
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  own fear, to get that recommunion with our soul and
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  then be able to manifest that on others.
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  And then humanity a sentence. If, if, if everybody's working
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  from a place, I mean, I loved what Byron Reese said in episode
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  12, that if just every single human being every day was
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  practicing acts of love and kindness, we'd be fine.
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  Like 100%. We'd we'd be 100%.
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  We're going to make it. And, you know, technology would
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  be a catalyst to just take us into, you know, places that we
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  could not even imagine today. And we'd get back to, you know,
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  very communal type of society. But that's, that's what I've
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  been looking for in these, in these texts.
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  And then the, the, the challenge with religion is there's all
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  this dogma that gets stacked on top of that beautiful root that
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  they all sync with. And the dogma, you know, is
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  meant for command and control. You know, this, this, this
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  belief, you know, in Christianity, for example, if
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  you don't do this, you're going to go to hell.
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  And there's no worse way to imagine dying than being burned
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  to life, right? And imagine like being burned to
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  life forever. So that's a compliance
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  mechanism. You know, it's actually not
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  something that Jesus talked about.
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  Like if you read actually what he said and you know the Gita,
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  you know the Bhagavad Gita has the caste system in the Gita.
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  You know Krishna and Arjuna are Arjuna is really asking
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  Krishna's embodiment of God questions on the battlefield.
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  And you know, Krishna is actually teaching him in part of
• 1:30:47
  the caste system, even though Krishna is saying so many divine
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  things and there's so much in the Gita to love, like 95% of
• 1:30:55
  the Gita. I love that that part.
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  You know, I talk with my Indian American friends and I'm like,
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  really? Do you actually think God wants
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  us separated into caste and you can move between these caste?
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  Or is that man created? So it's, it's, it's looking for
• 1:31:09
  that unity. And maybe it's also the way I'm
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  wired in terms of my purpose in this lifetime, you know, looking
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  for what creates unity between US versus divides us.
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  Like realizing that you and I share 99.9% of the same DNA and
• 1:31:28
  that's true for every human being on earth.
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  Maybe it's maybe it's maybe that's part of my purpose is to
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  try to help bring science and spirituality back together.
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  I hope so. Well, I'm working on it.
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  Gosh, I love this conversation so much.
• 1:31:46
  We could just go on and on and on.
• 1:31:49
  Is there anything else you want to cover?
• 1:31:51
  Me too. No I love it.
• 1:31:52
  I love deep talks and especially with friends.
• 1:31:59
  But I I can I can just be be authentic.
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  I think we have covered a lot. I, I hope that this will also
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  get into spaces where young people can listen to this
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  conversation. I am, you know, my life's
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  mission right now is really to support some of the, you know,
• 1:32:20
  brilliant young minds out there to bring them to the table, to
• 1:32:24
  give them opportunities to to realize their dreams and their
• 1:32:28
  ideas about better society and allies, mentors, allies who who
• 1:32:34
  can, who can come forward and support as a mutual platform.
• 1:32:37
  And this amazing movement. I really believe in it.
• 1:32:41
  I believe it matters. I believe in active hope.
• 1:32:44
  Yeah, right. Not just to be hopeful in in my
• 1:32:47
  living room, but but to be out there and, and meet and be
• 1:32:50
  proximate and, and learn. Yeah.
• 1:32:53
  And not, not, don't. Never do not never stop learning
• 1:32:58
  Yes, because I feel like this world, if anything, it's it's a
• 1:33:03
  huge. Classroom yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:33:05
  Chapter 4 of my first book, The entrepreneurs essentials
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  practice and always be learning life, you know, never stop, you
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  know, graduating from college, you know, your your your moon
• 1:33:16
  shot Alkaline who graduated from Stanford.
• 1:33:19
  That's now 21. That's just the beginning of
• 1:33:21
  their education. Exactly.
• 1:33:24
  Well, I really love all the light that you put in the world.
• 1:33:27
  One thing that I want to say too, because this is a, we're
• 1:33:32
  recording this on a pretty historic week where Warren
• 1:33:36
  Buffett just passed the torch at Berkshire Hathaway and he wrote
• 1:33:41
  his final shareholders letter. And one of the things he wrote
• 1:33:46
  in that letter, the letter actually ends with something
• 1:33:49
  really beautiful, which he says, remember that the cleaning lady
• 1:33:52
  is every bit as much of a human being as the chairman.
• 1:33:55
  So he ends the letter with a deep level of humility and
• 1:34:00
  connectedness. And we're all together.
• 1:34:04
  But he says that, you know, for young people, make sure that you
• 1:34:09
  pick someone that you want to be like and you pick it very
• 1:34:14
  carefully and then emulate them. And he is expressing that
• 1:34:20
  because you know, the idol that you pick, you know that you want
• 1:34:24
  to be like. It really, really matters.
• 1:34:27
  And one of the things that I absolutely love about what
• 1:34:30
  you're doing is you are amazing idol for these for these
• 1:34:34
  children in moon shot. I mean, you know, your life
• 1:34:37
  story is like you were the original moon shot child.
• 1:34:42
  And you know that that book I was telling you about into the
• 1:34:45
  Magic Shop, it took one woman, one woman, you know, Ruth, to
• 1:34:49
  believe in him. And it changed his whole life.
• 1:34:52
  And that's what you're doing with with yourself leading moon
• 1:34:58
  shot, with the mentors you surrounded.
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  I know the people involved in it.
• 1:35:01
  They're absolutely beautiful people.
• 1:35:04
  I would say that those children are lucky to have them, but I
• 1:35:07
  also think they're lucky to have those children.
• 1:35:09
  You know, it goes both ways, but I really appreciate all that you
• 1:35:13
  put in the world and all the love you also put into the Henry
• 1:35:16
  Cron Fellowship. Thank you.
• 1:35:18
  I, I couldn't imagine doing anything better.
• 1:35:21
  I really enjoy. I feel more home than ever in
• 1:35:25
  any other jobs and I'll do this as long as I, you know, have
• 1:35:29
  energy to do it. So it's a great place to be and
• 1:35:33
  I hope we will meet next time, even either in Prague or in
• 1:35:38
  Salon or in I. Definitely wanna get to a moon
• 1:35:41
  shot event. I feel remiss that I haven't
• 1:35:44
  actually been to one physically and I really wanna be there.
• 1:35:48
  I did attend the whole first one cuz it was all on zoom during
• 1:35:52
  the pandemic. I remember the kickoff.
• 1:35:55
  I watched. I watched.
• 1:35:56
  It was our first one. It was with Maria Albright.
• 1:35:58
  Yeah, I remember it was a beautiful event.
• 1:36:01
  I mean, it was a beautiful event.
• 1:36:02
  We were all kind of suffering in terms of, you know, the lack of
• 1:36:07
  community, the lack of physical contact and touch, you know, the
• 1:36:10
  sitting at our homes during the pandemic.
• 1:36:13
  But that that event really brought out the best in me when
• 1:36:16
  I watched it. So I appreciate it, buddy.
• 1:36:19
  Yeah, well, thank you so much for everything you put into the
• 1:36:22
  world. Thank you.
• 1:36:23
  So thanks again, everybody for tuning in to another episode of
• 1:36:27
  Love Conquers Fear. I really appreciate all of the
• 1:36:31
  beautiful energy you are all sending my way, all the shares,
• 1:36:37
  all of the all the words of encouragement, all the guest
• 1:36:41
  ideas. I'm getting so many great guest
• 1:36:43
  ideas. I mean, I have a huge network
• 1:36:45
  here to work through, but sometimes the guest ideas I get,
• 1:36:50
  I just know that it's an emphatic yes.
• 1:36:53
  You know, I knew that when Mark Gover introduced me to Joel
• 1:36:56
  Schaefer. And there's a lot more of those
• 1:36:59
  coming. Jeff Birmingham, who I've
• 1:37:01
  mentioned on this podcast before, I'm going to be
• 1:37:04
  recording with him in February of next year.
• 1:37:08
  And he wrote a great book called The Last Book Written by Human,
• 1:37:14
  which is all about AI and this moment that we're in and and how
• 1:37:18
  we're going to get to this age of abundance for all.
• 1:37:21
  So he's he's already become a brother and he was introduced to
• 1:37:24
  me by Patrick, who you've seen on this podcast, Patrick
• 1:37:28
  Gentempo. So thank you again.
• 1:37:32
  I really appreciate all the support.
• 1:37:34
  And the next podcast you're going to see is John Mackey, the
• 1:37:38
  founder of Whole Foods, who actually wrote the forward to my
• 1:37:42
  first book, The Entrepreneurs Essentials.
• 1:37:44
  I've learned a lot from him over the years, especially on the
• 1:37:47
  spirituality front and the leadership front.
• 1:37:50
  So tune into that one. I hope you enjoyed this episode
• 1:37:53
  with the ME. I really love him and thanks
• 1:37:56
  again for all your support.