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Bridge Loans Are Saving Tribal Clean Energy Projects #328 · Clean Power Hour

• 0:51
  David Harper: So the heavy lift of the tribe going to the federal government, providing the credible credit report, providing all this stuff was already done to for them to be eligible for these grant allocations. And so we just pick up right there. So we look at all the paperwork that has already come in. We look at what the capability is, we ask them, maybe you want a credit rating just for the future, for the next projects. Maybe you want to, maybe you want to jump from us to a bigger loan capability of five, 50 million, or 100 million. Let's, let's create that avenue and journey so you'll be able to keep your project moving and maybe self sustain yourself to your own loans from the banks.
• 1:34
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• 2:01
  Tim Montague: today on the Clean Power Hour, clean energy for tribal communities, my guest today is David Harper. He is the CEO of a company called Huurav that is helping bridge the gap for funding clean energy projects with tribes across the nation. Welcome to the show.
• 2:18
  David Harper: David, hey. Well, glad to be here. Glad to be here.
• 2:22
  Tim Montague: So, as I learned by talking with you in the pre interview, that the infrastructure bill of 2020 2021, provided some significant funding, I think, on the order of 10 to $15 billion for clean energy projects, or energy projects with tribal communities and and that did start to spool up some projects. Then in 2025 there was a clawback by the federal government. The Trump administration has started to claw back some of those funds, which has left tribes in a lurch. And so you are trying to close the gap and help these communities, drive these projects forward, which we really appreciate. But David, before we get into the nitty gritties of your work with Huurav. Tell us a little bit about how you got interested in solar specifically, yeah,
• 3:20
  David Harper: my name is Dave Harper. I'm the CEO of Huurav.
• 3:23
  David Harper: I'm a tribal member from the Colorado River Indian tribes located on the Arizona, California border. I initially was brought into solar. I served as our elders chairman and tippo Director for my tribe, the first tippo Director. And we were out in Southern California and saw these renewable energy projects being pushed very quickly. And we saw our biggest concern were the artifacts and human remains being removed, being uncovered and removed. You know the thing is, is when artifacts are removed from the desert floor, they become the property of the United States, and they are then archived. In this particular case, they were archived in a bank in San Diego initially, then they were moved to the San Bernardino County Museum, where they're at now in boxes in storage. So these are 5000 year old artifacts and remains that sit in a warehouse. And you know that was the elders concern is that they didn't want us uprooted. They wanted to keep us in situ or inside the ground and not be brought out. And so that's what started the actually, my solar, renewable energy journey of being against renewable energy, and, you know, not really, not really against it. Our tribe is always said.
• 4:51
  David Harper: We're not against solar or renewal energy. We're against our people being dug up and and so the only way we could figure out anything about how do we keep our people from being removed, was to learn about solar industry. You know what?
• 5:05
  David Harper: Give them the authority, how they measured and how they created these huge facilities, and what was their interim plan for for remains. And so the more we talked about that, the more became intriguing. And sooner or later, after so many years, couple years, I was recruited to be to assist solar development.
• 5:29
  David Harper: And the whole thing was they wanted me to help them keep them out of federal court, because in the initial things that we did with my tribe, we were in federal court maybe two or three times against huge facilities, solar people and the BLM we actually took on. The BLM and sued BLM. And so when the solar people saw this, they said, Hey, this guy kind of knows what's going on inside the tribe. Maybe we should hire him so we know what how to keep from being sued. So I went to work as developer, then I went in and started working where I'm at now, in the solar industry, but the changes, we're asking tribes, where are you? Where do you want this project? If you had a choice, where would it be?
• 6:21
  David Harper: What is the least impactful on your cultural resources? Where is it something that it's already the ground is already impacted, and how would you like to put your land to use, you tell us. And so that's been a change of approach.
• 6:36
  Tim Montague: Very good. So fast forward to 2025 and you're now an established figure in clean energy. And you see this challenge that tribes are facing, where the federal funding for clean energy projects is being rescinded.
• 6:55
  Tim Montague: What exactly is the problem and what is Huurav doing?
• 7:00
  David Harper: Well, we started to see across there's 574 now there's 575 tribes. The Lumbee Tribe has just recognized this past month, and has is now 575 but we saw 775 not really catch on to renewable energy. Some did, some didn't. Some of the most progressive tribes jumped on the wagon and started moving their projects fairly quick.
• 7:22
  David Harper: Other tribes were like, well, we don't want the big ones. We don't want these huge ones. We want to start out small. So most of the tribes have started out in micro grids, or they started out in in how do these projects provide economic development for the tribe who already has a high rate of unemployment, high rate of behavioral health, mental health problems, they have impoverished communities. How?
• 7:49
  David Harper: How can some of these projects help that that was the intent right of the infrastructure bill was to help the tribe economically, but also bring jobs and have impacts. And so when the tribes jump, some tribes who jumped on the wagon and even gave some of their own money to these projects, and when the project stopped, it stalled the economic development future of the tribes. It stopped their ability to be self governance and self moving in where they want to go. And so we saw that the tribes have historically were dependent on federal government dollars, and so not in federal dollars. Don't just affect the energy sector.
• 8:34
  David Harper: They affect health and welfare.
• 8:37
  David Harper: They affect the land. They affect the economic development as a tribe as a whole, in social service programs in different other facets. And so when the funding stopped, it stopped the potential growth of the tribe, and the tribe had to learn how to pivot, or have had to figure out, how am I going to pivot? I have put $2 million into this project. We were moving forward.
• 9:04
  David Harper: Now it's stopped do, and that was the federal government who said, by treaty, as long as the grass grows, the river flows, we will always be taking care of the Indian people in the treaties, in the in the laws.
• 9:16
  David Harper: And so when that stopped, the tribe stopped, and they had to figure out, am I going to go to philanthropy? Am I going to go self funding and and do I even know how to do that? Do I know how to approach a bank? Because we've relied so much on the federal government, and even in the loan guarantees that the you know, some tribes may have went to the bank, but those were loan guaranteed by the federal government. And so now you take that away. Now you have a tribe trying to survive and try to figure out how fat and how financially are they going to support their project, but on a whole, how they can support their tribe? And so that's where Huurav came in. That's where the idea because we saw some of the tribes struggling and not knowing what to do. And so we said, well, maybe we should create an agency, a program that can help tribes not fund the whole project, but do bridge, bridge loans. What if we did a quick two, four year, six year loan that the tribes can apply for, get and do a quick turnaround on that loan so we can keep helping other tribes?
• 10:30
  David Harper: And so we started thinking about it. And we started thinking, Well, you know, maybe we can do something. Maybe we can start thinking about, how are we if we're going to give a loan to a tribe? Part of that is helping them financially, understand what the loan is, and doing financing 101, to the tribe.
• 10:50
  David Harper: Them so they can understand what financing is sure and we could talk about, you know, the de risking. How do we de risk these? Well, part of that is by education. Part of it about is about a short term bridge loan that gives a quick turnaround that allows the tribe to pay off that loan quickly. But these loans were for the projects to keep moving, to keep moving and keep moving. And so we were able to do that on one tribe. We were able to provide a million dollar loan. But how we did this was was in this setting, we said we need to look at all these tribal entities that say they're going to help the tribe. We want to sit down with them, and we want to see if I our ideas are spiritual content aligned with each other, that we're not here to bully people. We're not here to to wreck a tribe, to financially take advantage of tribe, but we're here to help a tribe be sustainable. And so we met with some of the philanthropy who we sat and came to an understanding that we had.
• 12:00
  David Harper: We all aligned in that idea. And so what we said was, what we can do is we can capital stack this.
• 12:04
  David Harper: We can use three or four funding agencies, CDFIs, or financial entities, institutions or philanthropy and capital stack these. So we're not taken away from one entity of their financing, but we're creating, you know, if a tribe needed 10 million, but we'll do 3 million, 3 million and 2 million from each different institution. So we were able to sit together and align with the self sustainability of the tribe in mind.
• 12:37
  Tim Montague: So my audience is energy professionals. What do they need to know about working first and foremost, I think it would be good if we could kind of set the table. What do they need to know about working with tribes and you know, solar, solar developers and installers come in many flavors. But what are some, some of the fundamental things that we need to know, assuming that we're coming from off the outside the community, if you're already inside the community, I don't think you would would need to know that so much. But coming from outside the community, what do people need to know about working with tribes? And then let's paint a picture of an example or two of what are these types of projects, what's the scale of the project, and what is the impact that Huurav is making. But first and foremost, what do people need to know about working with tribes?
• 13:34
  David Harper: Well, even as a native person, going into different tribes, I am just as an alien as anybody else, because we have different backgrounds, no tribe is the same in the spiritual context of belief and thought. We all have different ideations and different religious perspectives. And so, you know, one of the things is that you have a energy facility, a utility or a micro grid. We all know, if you work in this space, there's a recipe to that. The recipe is, you put this plug in, you do this and this, and this and this, and you'll create the micro grid. It's it's almost like a cookie cutter. We all know that process. But what makes it so hard is the socialism of the tribe that is the meat and potatoes. Is that understanding that a tribe is has sovereignty. They decide what is best for them, and so when you come in, you want to have a good, open thought to that. What that means, maybe do your homework on the tribe to understand who they are, where they're coming from, how they came to be. The tribe itself may say, we have cultural training for you. Maybe we'll provide counselor training so you can understand who, who our people are, where, how we came to be, how we live, what makes these this land so sacred to us, and how you need the stakeholder engagement to give you approval to keep moving in your project.
• 15:06
  David Harper: Because even the politicians need the stakeholders approval to keep these projects moving, and so I've seen in several instances where tribal council approved a project and the stakeholders stopped it and actually threw out some of the council because they didn't feel they were being properly represented. Now the project was great. It was good as gold. But you still need to have that process of coming to the tribal people, because this is what I say. You have a grandma who's 90 years old, who has land and is part of that land for that renewable energy. You want to be able to sit with grandma and talk to her about what is the good? This of this project, to her people, and be able to talk to her that she can understand.
• 16:46
  David Harper: And be slow, be methodic, concise, transparent, and just give the right information, the true information of what you're doing and how the land is going to be Betterment for everybody.
• 17:01
  David Harper: If you take that time, it'll, in the long run, it'll help you understand that these projects will then have a solid foundation from the people to move these projects forward.
• 17:15
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• 19:06
  Tim Montague: They are a change to the land, if we're talking ground mount converting, you know, a fallow field or a farm field to a solar field. And of course, in the case of these projects on tribal lands, it's the full spectrum of rooftop solar, micro grids to utility scale, you know, solar fields. So I resonate though with this. What you just said though about, you know, we have to bring it down to ordinary people's terms and help them understand how is this going to impact their community. So anything else about that before we get into kind of what is?
• 19:51
  Tim Montague: What is the what is an example?
• 19:57
  Tim Montague: You know, I love community scale energy, for example. And I think that the tribes are are doing a variety of scales of projects.
• 20:07
  Tim Montague: But what else should we know before we get into some nitty gritties about working with tribal communities?
• 20:17
  David Harper: Yeah, I think that during stakeholder engagement, you'll find that it will be the grandmas, it'll be the mothers who will be asking about workforce development. And I always ask that question in Indian community, why, Grandma, why are you asking? Because I have three sons living with me who are 4045, years old, with their family. And so they may have family at 12, all living in the same house. And so when she goes to the meeting, she's looking for employment opportunities for the family, right? And so there are times where you we've done job fairs and just the elders show up, but yet they have the powerful message to bring back to their community of relatives who are looking for jobs. And so don't discount that as a negative. And what it is is that it's the messenger being sent to bring it back to the family and community, the internal family of job opportunities and getting information. See, it all across Indian land, all across India, land, from Navajo to Maine to, you know, to different tribes, even in Hawaii where the elders show up, because the elders are going to validate the project and but they're going to find that they're going to find information about job development. They're going to ask about jobs because they may be tired of supporting the families and they want to.
• 21:42
  David Harper: People to go out and get jobs.
• 21:42
  David Harper: They want to see them do well, and they want them probably out of the house, right, you know?
• 21:48
  David Harper: So this is opportunity for economic development to really impact stakeholders. So I always say that, you know? The thing is, is that although you have stakeholder engagement opportunities, and you may think that only 12 people show up, and six are elders. That still is a good thing, because they're going back into their community.
• 22:06
  David Harper: They actually become the energy champions. And most of the stuff that we've done, it was the elders who are the energy champions, pushing the projects.
• 22:17
  David Harper: And that is a good thing to have in tribal community, yeah.
• 22:21
  Tim Montague: And hopefully, you know, it totally depends on the type of project, whether it's behind the meter or front of the meter and so forth. About what is the stack of value. There's always an economic value, and there's always a jobs and revenue affiliation with the project, and then there's environmental benefits.
• 22:44
  Tim Montague: Ultimately, right? We're cleaning the grid. We are reducing the load of air pollution, or at least that's the goal. We're right now. We're just slowing the rate at which we're increasing pollution in the atmosphere. So we are making some progress, but we're not stopping the accumulation of pollution right now, which is a wake up call for energy professionals, I think. But let's talk about some specifics.
• 23:13
  Tim Montague: Give us an example of a project that you're looking at or have successfully helped to fund.
• 23:23
  Tim Montague: What are we talking about?
• 23:24
  David Harper: Yeah, we can give a prime example is the giddyville Rancheria in Northern California. That was a project that had a $3.5 billion grant that the federal government, BIA gave for them to build a micro grid on the reservation. Well, when the administration changed, the administration held back that 3.5 million. The tribe was moving so much forward. They already had people lined up to work. They were already approved the scope of work. They already approved what this project was going to do, and when the project. When the funding stopped, everything stopped. And so we were asked to come in and think about this is, how can you help us keep this project moving? So we helped arrange a$1 million loan, using and working with the bequest foundation out of San Diego, they came in, and this project, you know, is, is a half a megawatt, 500 KW, okay? And what they needed was a million to buy the solar panels. And so we were able to provide that loan, bridge loan to the tribe to keep that project moving ahead. Now a storage was attached to it. I believe it was a 1.5 megawatt storage attached to the project.
• 24:49
  David Harper: So it was all inclusive, so the so the tribe was able to keep the project moving later, the BIA Grant was re established.
• 24:56
  David Harper: But that time frame would have really impacted the project. It would have sold the project, and the people who were who were given, the company that was given to keep the project moving, would have moved away to another area, but because we were able to keep that project moving, they were able to continue with the work that they're doing now. This is how hurrah works in the bridge zone, meeting the tribes' needs. And this is this reservation has 44 houses, and so it's a fairly small community, but they had 20 houses that they were building that were being impacted by the lack of energy. So they were looking for this micro grid to self sustain the small tribal community to these new houses that they were building, and actually electrified the 44 houses on the reservation and tribal community. So this really was important to them, because they weren't getting any support from the existing utility, and so they felt that they needed to move to their own self sustainability. And so we were able to bridge that loan, create the bridge zone, bridge the gap.
• 26:17
  David Harper: Now the project keeps moving forward,
• 26:20
  Tim Montague: and giddyville is in Northern California, Mendocino County, is that
• 26:25
  David Harper: Mendocino County?
• 26:25
  David Harper: Yeah, there's an article that came out. If you, if you Google it, you'll see it. It's, it's pretty they're pretty happy about the project, and they're happy to to talk about their project, of where they're moving, because to them, it's the most important project in their community. Right now,
• 26:43
  Tim Montague: I guess one of the things that comes to mind when you talk about a bridge loan is, how do the tribes prepare for that process? Because they've got to demonstrate that they're credit worthy in some regard, and then they have to demonstrate that the project is going to allow them the savings to pay back the loan. Talk a little bit about those things.
• 27:10
  David Harper: Yeah, what happens is the tribe may have never gotten a loan. There are some tribes that have never gotten loans to banks or any financial entity, because they've right so much on the federal government and so that, in itself, can be problematic because you can't get a credit score. And so you know, the standard operation of loans is you got to have a credit score. You got to be able to have the finances to pay back. And so what some of the entities that we work with have said, we're not going to worry about the we're not going to worry about the credit rate.
• 27:42
  David Harper: What we want to know is, how invested is this tribe? How invested are they? Because we're going to create the loan based on what they're capable of paying back. So we're not going to give a $20 million loan if a tribe can't pay back a million.
• 27:55
  David Harper: So we're going to say, All right, so let's start you out smaller. Let's start you out at 500,000 let's see how you do on that, and then we'll take you to the next step. And then if you pay that off, you can have maybe$2 million loan. We'll look at that and see. But most of these projects, all of these projects, have already went through that process. They were they were had feasibility studies. They were looked at, there was plans that were approved by the federal government, and allocation of monies were already given. So the the hard stuff had already been done, the heavy lift was already done. What we're doing is we're picking up where that where that gap, it was created by the defunding of those programs that were supposed to fund these projects. So the heavy lift of the tribe going to the federal government, providing the credible credit report, providing all this stuff was already done to for them to be eligible for these grant allocations. And so we just pick up right there. So we look at all the paperwork that has already come in. We look at what the capability is. We ask them, maybe you want a credit rating just for the future, for the next projects. Maybe you want to, maybe you want to jump from us to a bigger loan capability of five, 50 million, or 100 million. Let's, let's create that avenue and journey so you'll be able to keep your project moving and maybe self sustain yourself to your own loans from the banks.
• 29:29
  Tim Montague: So how many projects are we talking about?
• 29:32
  David Harper: We have in our pipeline, about 22 projects that we've identified, but we're still because we started out so new, we still have other tribal entities that are coming to us and asking us, all right, tell us about yourself. We may have tribes. We have many tribes. I know that there's been a couple who came in and said, We got 10 Tribes that we have, that we may look at this bridge, though. And so we report back to our other funding sources, our philanthropy and CDFIs, like, hey, we have this potential. So they understand that maybe the next year, we may have a lot more than what we thought. So we got to prioritize and look at what is, what are those? And we're creating that priority like, Okay, we have a tribe here. It is heavily needing renewable energy because they're in they were at the end of the line there. And this is in the real world. What happens is that lot of the tribes are at the end of the line. They have blackouts. They have brownouts every you know, at least once, twice a month in the wintertime, we've seen where, where they have blackouts. The generators come and then they're taken to non Indian communities in the tribal communities are left out, and so the tribe gets started and say, Okay, we want our own facility. We are well, on our own micro grid to be self sustaining. So we look at those, we prior, prioritize those of what is the need? What is the dire need? You know, some of them have are in minus 10 degree weather. And so, you know, the need to be self sufficient is very important to that tribe.
• 31:07
  Tim Montague: So what does success look like to you? For Huurav,
• 31:13
  David Harper: well, it comes in many, many things. I think that you know, keeping the project moving, having the tribe be able to be self governance, self sustaining. But we also see in workforce development. We see people going to work, showing up for work. We see families on payday, Friday, all together, eating, having a good time, enjoying the the work. You know, the paycheck we see, you know.
• 31:39
  David Harper: People wanting to be engineers, people wanting to go into training. We see the tribe maybe bridging the gap for unions, because some tribes aren't Union, but they want to become unionized. And how does the union help the tribal membership? We see those type of relationships coming together.
• 31:57
  David Harper: Those are success. I mean, those are very successful because they're career oriented. They're not just about a job, and the tribal membership has to buy into that, that we can't have a job. We need to have a career.
• 32:11
  David Harper: We need to start planting a seed of self sustainment and self development so we can be a viable impact in the workforce.
• 32:21
  Tim Montague: Now you have a sister organization. Tell us how you work with them. And if you're an energy professional working in an area where there are tribal communities, how can they connect with Huurav and your sister organization?
• 32:41
  David Harper: Yeah, our sister organization is service, guideline, service. Skyline is an electrical engineering consultant firm, and we've been in across Indian country. I think we have about 80 or 90 tribes that we work with. We help tribes do grants applications. We help them sit down and think about, where do you want to be in the energy sector? What do you want to do?
• 33:01
  David Harper: How you want to do it. Maybe you need a utility code. Maybe you want a micro grid weatherization. Maybe you want a large utility scale solar facility. Maybe you're looking for self sustainability and energy. You want your own micro grid to electrify your community, whatever the tribe is wanting to do, wherever their journey is. We sit down with them, and we map out the actuality of what can happen and how it can happen. And so sometimes we'll write the grants for the tribes, and we'll start the seed of the project. And then once that happens, we give the tribe the opportunity. Even though we write the grant, we may not even be selected to work on the project. We just helped to try push started. And as they move along, the tribe may say, you know, we got to this point now we're thinking about because when we first started the grant, there was plenty of money.
• 33:54
  David Harper: Government was saying, Do this, do this. We'll help you. And when we got our grant, now, the money stopped, we can only do the feasibility study. Now, where do we go from here, that's where Huurav comes in. Huurav may come in and say, hey, you know you did all this work, you did all the heavy lifting, you did the feasibility study. Your Travel community wants to move in this direction, but you don't have any cash flow. So let's have Huurav come in and see how they can help you. So then we come in as Huurav say, let's take a look at this to see where you're at, where you want to go financially? Where are you capable of going? How can we help you in this project? And so that's how we support each other. We but most of the stuff that we're doing now isn't from seven skyline, it is from the outside entities that have brought in other other travel projects that we that we're helping. And so that's, that's how we we complement each other.
• 34:44
  Tim Montague: Very good. So we will put links to Huurav and seventh skyline in the show notes. What else should my listeners know about this problem of helping expedite funding for clean energy projects on tribal lands.
• 35:04
  David Harper: Yeah, I think that, you know, keep your eye open. Things are happening. Look at the the projects that are winning that some of the tribes are self sustaining. Some of them have gone to banks, but a lot of them haven't gotten anywhere yet, because it's just the shock and awe of the government putting back these monies. And then where do we go from here, right? And so we've run across that, but I think that, you know, one of the things we're looking at, not just solar, not just utility solar, not just wind, but we're also looking at agrivoltaic, where you can put solar on farming lands and still grow a crop, but have renewable energy on that, and so we're looking at that. We we've been working with the National Renewable Energy Lab in in Colorado on how can we do that? We're creating a model for a lot of land in tribal communities, the 10 acre facilities that we can put into into these farming areas and still get energy. So we're working on that right now as part of harap energy. And you know, that's one of the things that we're really looking at.
• 36:13
  David Harper: Because once we get the model, we want to give to other tribes nationwide, and that could be something that, you know, renewable energy, people can look at and say, Hey, that's pretty innovative. We want to be part of that. We want to see where we can be in that. Because I may have something on my farming land that I want to I want to know if there are there incentives for renewable energy on my farmland, where I can still produce my farming crop and have renewable energy. I want to take a look at that so you know we're working. On that so innovative, we kind of keeping our mind and our brain to the ground and trying to understand how renewable energy can impact not just the standardized renewable energy projects, but outside the box.
• 36:55
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• 37:20
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• 37:44
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• 38:27
  David Harper: on we were on LinkedIn. Huurav, we do have a web page. Hurrah. We can catch us on seven skyline. We're on LinkedIn and on Facebook. So, yeah, we post every other month our activities, we keep a good diarrhea and take a look at it, see where, who we are, what we've done so far, where we're at in tribal communities. You know, one of our bigger ones is what we call our power up symposiums where we provide renewable energy, 101, to any community travel communities that have a project, we break come in and we talk about that project, how it's going to impact you positively. We talk about the negative impacts. We talk about the transparency of these projects. What is the potential? Where is the tribe at? And really try to get the tribal communities to support tribal government in their decisions on renewable energy.
• 39:19
  David Harper: So, yeah, you know, we do a lot of stuff in tribal communities.
• 39:23
  David Harper: So, yeah, keep an eye out close by. Come by and take a look at our website. See where we be next. I know we're going to be in five different tribal communities. We just finished eight this past year across the United States, and so you know, we're out there providing education. And thought
• 39:42
  Tim Montague: with that, I'll say, let's grow solar and storage. I'm Tim Montague, thank you so much.
• 39:45
  Tim Montague: David. All right. Thank you.
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  Tim Montague: Bye.