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Trance Channeling, Spirit Guides & Letting Monty Speak | Kim Charlson 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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  Hello everyone and welcome to this February guest
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  episode of the Psychic Explorer. How are you?
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  I know I overused the word interesting, so forgive
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  me, but today's episode is exactly that. Last
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  month I spoke to Rob Lomax and he was talking
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  to me about how he channels parts of his soul
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  who are having experiences in different parts
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  of the universe. Today's guest is Kim Charleston.
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  Kim is a semi -conscious trance channeler. But
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  instead of channeling galactic beings, Kim channels
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  her spirit guide, Monty. Now I know this episode
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  and the last guest episode are fairly similar
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  in sort of themes and topics, but once you hear
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  this episode, I think you'll agree, they're two
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  different aspects of the same coin, I guess you
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  could say. And don't worry, if you're sat there
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  thinking, oh, this is now turning into a trance
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  podcast, it's not the case. It's just how the
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  scheduling has worked out. Part of the reason
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  I wanted to put Kim's episode out in February
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  was because of Valentine's Day. For me at least,
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  Valentine's symbolizes partnership. This doesn't
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  have to be the romantic side of partnership.
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  This can be the everyday, not relying but leaning
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  on someone. And for me at least, this is how
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  I sort of see Kim's relationship with her spirit
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  guide, Monty. She has such a close connection
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  to him that she can channel him effortlessly,
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  it seems. It's taking her a long time to get
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  to the stage, but it's really fascinating to
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  see the dynamics between her and Monty. Now,
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  prior to, during and after this recording, I
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  have to ask myself, does... the concept of spirit
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  guides resonate with me and I have to be honest
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  no I don't seem to have much conscious connection
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  to any sort of spirit team that I may or may
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  not have I'm sure I do but I don't have that
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  connection at least not the connection that most
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  people in the spiritual world seem to I hear
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  the term spirit guide banded about quite a bit
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  and I have to I have to be honest when I hear
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  people say my spirit guide told me this my spirit
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  guide told me that I have questioned in the past
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  is that just your inner self giving you permission
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  to say or do something you may not have the confidence
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  to do yourself but during this conversation with
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  Kim it's made me realize that actually this whole
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  concept of spirit team and spirit guys I've been
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  holding far away from me like a third -party
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  object something that revolves around me or is
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  around me but I don't have any direct interaction
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  with And in this conversation, Kim talks quite
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  explicitly that we are constantly channelling,
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  whether it is spirit guys, whether it is soul,
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  whatever it is. If someone is being guided by
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  something within them, who am I to say where
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  that comes from? And I thank Kim because she's
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  really broadened my horizon on this whole theme
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  and topic. I had first come across Kim Charlson
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  on Hilly Bee's podcast, Opening the Door. Kim
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  was talking to Hailey about channeling her spirit
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  guides, she was talking about the concept of
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  spirit guide and I was already not uncomfortable
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  but uncertain of that whole concept and then
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  coupled that with the term trance I was like
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  boom my mind was absolutely blown. I am really
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  glad that I listened to Kim's episode because
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  as I was listening Although it didn't sit with
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  me personally, it did make a lot of sense the
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  concepts that she was talking about. Suddenly
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  something was clicking in my mind thinking, ah,
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  like that makes sense to me. I reached out to
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  Kim on Instagram and threads and we got chatting
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  and I plucked up the courage to invite her on
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  and wonderfully Kim said yes. During this conversation
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  you'll hear Kim pause and give way to Monty.
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  She channels him through her voice and you'll
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  hear the difference. It's not this strange squeaky
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  voice or this deep baritone of a guy. It's just
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  a slightly different intonation than what Kim
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  normally uses. This is a very open and honest
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  conversation about Kim's experience, which I
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  love. I think that's really important to have
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  those sort of conversations around these topics
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  because it's something that myself, maybe you,
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  maybe many other people haven't yet formed their
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  belief systems around. Right, shall we get to
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  it? Before we do that, very, very quickly, a
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  big thank you to Kim and a big apology to Kim.
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  When I recorded this, I had a hacking cough and
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  I was blessed that she had to put up with me
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  coughing down the line to her. I don't know why
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  I didn't use the mute button. On top of that
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  there were a myriad of technical problems. It
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  was recorded in the height of summer so I had
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  my windows open and there were sounds of bears
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  swooping outside which were distracting for both
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  of us. So a big thank you and a big apology to
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  Kim for such a chaotic recording. But I'm really
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  happy with what we've got now. So I present to
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  you the fabulous Kim Charleston. Kim Charlson,
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  welcome, welcome, welcome to my little podcast.
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  How are you? I am doing so well and I'm really
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  excited to be here with you, Matt, and to get
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  into everything about channeling. Well, this
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  is an interesting one for me. I became aware
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  of you, Kim, on your interview with or from your
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  interview with Hayley B on her podcast, Opening
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  the Door. We've been chatting back and forth
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  and I'm really interested because your perspective,
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  and I mean this with love and respect, but Your
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  perspective doesn't naturally sit with me. Does
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  that make sense? Yes. And it's even different
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  within the channeling space too. I'm in a very
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  unique position that a lot of people who are
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  more traditional psychics and mediums feel very
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  uncomfortable with channeling, which I totally
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  understand. And then a lot of people who are
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  very into channeling... also have a lot of issues
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  that I'm a very grounded person and have a very
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  specific perspective of why we should channel,
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  how we should channel, the accountability and
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  discernment that should go into it that I feel
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  a lot of other channels may be lacking. The more
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  I explore on this little path of mine, the more
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  concepts which don't necessarily sit with me
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  or resonate with me. I'm not, the more I do that,
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  I'm less likely to sort of dismiss them. And
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  I want to investigate them. I want to explore
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  them just so that I can understand them just
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  that little better. I love that perspective.
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  And I will say, like, even though I'm a channeler
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  now, six years ago, I would have laughed at this
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  and said, well, that person's just... off their
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  rocker. I was not a woo -woo person. You said
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  it, not me. Oh, no, I'm fully aware. I'm fully
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  aware of that a lot of channeling is, is that
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  my subconscious. Am I making this up? Am I just
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  losing my mind? Like, that's a lot of what channeling
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  is about. So I know you have more questions,
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  so I'll let you guide this discussion. No, no,
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  no. As you're speaking, I'm being reminded the
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  first time I'd ever come across this concept
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  of trance channeling. Actually, it was more trance
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  mediumship, and it was on a Netflix documentary
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  called Life After Death. Not the Tyler Henry
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  one. There's another one on there called Life
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  After Death. I don't know if you saw it, but
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  I was watching, and there was this Dutch woman
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  on there, and she was channeling this spirit
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  called Tommy, and she opened her mouth. This
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  squeaky little voice came out of her, and I watched
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  it, and I was almost embarrassed. I was like,
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  oh my God, what is going on? It was too strange,
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  to be real. It was too bizarre. Your bullshit
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  meter starts to go off. I don't know about bullshit
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  meter, but it was just so bizarre. I think that's
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  normal, though. I think that's entirely normal
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  because, you know, there is... a certain inclination,
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  and for the listeners that don't know what we're
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  talking about first, so transmediumship or trans
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  -channeling, they are slightly different. Trans
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  -channeling is when you go into either a semi
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  -conscious state or a completely unconscious
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  state and you allow another spirit to take possession
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  of your body and speak through you and express
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  through you. Transmediumship, the difference
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  is it's a person that's recently passed instead
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  of what we would consider like a higher perspective,
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  a higher vibrational consciousness. And I think
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  the reason why we are so leery of saying, yeah,
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  this is totally legitimate is because there's
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  no way to prove it. Unlike mediumship where you
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  can say, oh, you know, your grandmother loved
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  to cook this, and I'm getting a sense of this,
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  and she lived on such and such street of having
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  that evidential mediumship. We don't have that
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  in channeling whatsoever. It is purely based
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  off of trust and understanding, hey, that message
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  really resonates with me. There's something for
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  me there. It's interesting because you've gone
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  through that process of questioning already.
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  Before we started recording, you were even saying,
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  you know, when this started happening to you,
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  you were thinking, Is this real? Am I making
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  this up? Oh, I thought I'd lost my mind the first
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  time it happened. And like the very first time
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  that I voice channeled, it happened spontaneously,
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  which is very rare. Most channelers do it in
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  a more intentional way. And for me, I was trying
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  to do an energy healing session on my husband
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  and felt this energy and wanted to bring it through
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  my body and and transfer it to him to move the
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  block. And it ended up wanting to speak through
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  me. And in the moment after it was over, I was
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  like, what even was that? Did I just make that
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  up? Are these things that I wish I could say
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  to him about his energy and his block, even though
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  they don't really resonate with me? Like, is
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  this my subconscious coming through? What even
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  was that? And it was only because I had a really
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  deep relationship with my own energy healer and
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  told her what had happened. And she was like,
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  oh, yeah. This is channeling, and my husband
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  had had a conversation with his spirit guide
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  that was the one that came through. Otherwise,
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  I would have brushed it off and just said, well,
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  that was really strange. I'm not going down that
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  path. So he was able to recognize that what you
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  were saying was valid because he had had that
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  conversation already privately. Yeah, he is someone
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  that is very connected to his spirit team. And
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  frankly, his connection makes me jealous, which
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  is funny coming from me that I can allow my spirit
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  to speak through me. But every single day, he
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  talks with them first thing in the morning. And
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  he has the relationship with them where they're,
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  you know, kind of piping in all the time. And
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  it had a conversation with this guide earlier
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  that day. And he always takes notes. on his phone
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  every morning of what they have to say. And he
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  said, look, look at my phone. This is what they
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  said. That is just what you said. This is a continuation
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  of that same conversation. And I was completely
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  unaware. of what he had gotten from his spirit
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  guides that morning. If that had not happened,
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  I would have said, well, this is just some strange
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  occurrence. I must just be under a lot of stress
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  and just feel like this was something I needed
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  to say that had not recognized. And that's I
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  feel like what often happens when people are
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  tapping into their intuitive abilities as they
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  write it off, because it's so easy to to do that
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  because we live in such a logical world that
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  prioritizes logic to such a high degree that
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  anything that comes in through an intuitive sense,
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  whether it's as far down the road as channeling
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  or it's something as simple as just kind of a
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  weird feeling in your stomach, you're kind of
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  like, is that just something I'm making up? Because
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  it's not logical. We can't follow that logic.
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  OK, so let's go back to basics on spirit guys
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  and Kim. In your opinion, what or who are spirit
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  guides? Because I've never felt that need to
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  be able to contact that side of my spirituality.
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  So in your opinion, what or who are these entities?
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  Yeah, so your spirit guides are a group of souls
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  that are non -physical, that they may have been
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  incarnate and been human or a different animal
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  or not even on earth at some point in time, but
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  they've decided and chosen to remain in the spirit
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  realm and that they are working through their
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  own soul growth and soul evolution by helping
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  you on your path. And they only work with you,
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  so that's why they're different than an ancestor
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  that may come through mediumship, that they are
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  only on your team. They don't coordinate to like
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  really help anybody else. They may coordinate
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  with other teams, but it's always for your purposes.
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  And they generally have done a lot of spiritual
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  work. And what Monte, my spirit guide, has explained
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  is that there is actually kind of like an overseeing
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  body over spirit guides. There is an organization
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  to it that they assign different members to different
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  teams Check in on their progress provide them
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  with resources. So they're also supported on
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  their side, but it's for you and you alone to
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  Move forward in your own spiritual growth and
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  then they move forward in their spiritual growth
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  by being on your team. And they do that through
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  unconditional love, that they love you no matter
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  what mistakes you make, no matter how bad of
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  a person that you think you are. Your spirit
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  guides love you no matter how much of a failure
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  you may believe that you are because they see
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  in your essence who you really are. And they're
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  the ones that are with you every second of every
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  day in every lifetime you have had. And they
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  continue through multiple lifetimes with you.
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  I wonder also, what is their role in our lives?
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  Is their role to point us in the right direction
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  or to change things, to make certain things happen?
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  Their role is really a support team. So they
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  believe that we live in a world of choice. We
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  live in a universe of choice. And they won't
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  make those choices for you, but they will help
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  you make those choices to make choices more in
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  alignment. So they may send you nudges, they
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  may send you different interactions that they
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  coordinate, different synchronicities for those
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  things to happen. But the most important thing
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  that they do for you is that they send you that
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  unconditional love and support because energetically,
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  that's what they're doing all the time. And you're
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  receiving it, whether or not you are open to
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  it, it is coming into your energetic flow on
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  a consistent basis. And for them watching us
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  make all the mistakes that we make because we
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  do we make tons of mistake that takes us out
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  of alignment with our soul They have to learn
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  to love us even still that's part of their mission
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  and part of their calling is to love us even
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  still and They don't get mad at us. It's really
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  a supportive position and That they are there
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  in the purpose of helping us in our spiritual
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  growth. So it may be that something that's really
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  difficult and hard and challenging for you, they're
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  not going to steer you away from it because they
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  can see, well, that's really going to help them
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  work on these different issues that they really
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  need to work through in their spiritual growth.
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  And every so often, I will get like a comment
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  on social media that says, well, all these horrible
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  things happen in the world. So I can't believe
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  in spirit guides because all of these really
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  horrible things happen to children and obviously
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  spirit guides would prevent those things if they
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  existed but unfortunately that's not what they're
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  there for they're there to support us but they're
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  not to prevent bad from happening to us and in
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  the same way as we experience challenges of whatever
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  those are, they are there for spiritual growth.
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  Now, that gets into a lot of theoretical concepts
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  that I would urge listeners to think about themselves,
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  of the questions of like reincarnating into really
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  difficult lives, like really, really difficult
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  lives, the ethics of that. A lot of times we
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  also project moralism onto those things of, well,
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  they deserve to be there because their energy
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  is bad, or they've done that to themselves, or
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  the traditions of karma, of that you did something
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  in a past life that you're paying for now. What
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  Monte has often talked about is that the role
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  of spirit guides is one without morality. Morality
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  is a human creation. So they don't have morality
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  in the same way that we do, but they have unconditional
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  love. And there's a really big difference between
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  those two things. There is no limit to their
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  love in the way that humans experience. And a
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  lot of how we ascribe value to people and what
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  happens to them is through a moral lens. But
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  instead of having a moral lens, they have a lens
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  of love is how they look upon the world. It's
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  a really different perspective than what we have.
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  And it's hard for us to really be able to access
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  that because none of us are really capable at
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  this stage in our lives and at this stage in
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  our incarnation, not only to love that way ourselves,
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  but also to receive that amount of love. that
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  it is hard for us to really open up to that level
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  of love from our spirit guides. And oftentimes
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  when I am teaching people how to connect with
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  their spirit guides that every quarter or so
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  I offer a free class for people to connect with
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  them, at least one person starts breaking down
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  in tears and says, I've never felt such deep
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  love like that in my life before. And it's a
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  transformative experience for them. Everything
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  you're saying, Kim, is resonating with me. It's
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  echoing within me. My personal ethos in life
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  is that we are here to learn lessons, but that
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  can be hard because sometimes those lessons are
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  really shit. But if you take a step back, if
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  you take an objective point of view, you can
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  say, yes, I had this experience and it was awful,
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  but actually I still learned something from that.
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  And job done, you know, I know I'm overly simplifying
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  that, but I think if you just look at it objectively,
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  the ethos is still valid. Yeah, and I would agree.
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  And one of the funny things is Monty often talks
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  about, we're not actually here to learn lessons.
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  And the reason why is because lessons are like,
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  there's some authority that is teaching you that.
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  And that puts us into a relationship of the universe
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  is above us and we're below, we're lesser than,
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  and it creates hierarchies in our mind. And one
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  of the things that he often talks about in channeling
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  sessions that we do is you are your own authority.
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  You're the authority on your own energy. And
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  that's also another really different perspective
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  of that, instead of saying you are being handed
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  a lesson by the universe, you are creating your
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  lessons for yourself. And doing that self -reflection
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  of, okay, what did I get out of this, is a really
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  important part of it. What an interesting concept.
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  It's funny because as I say about learning lessons,
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  I don't think I mean it in the way that Monty
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  interprets. I don't mean it in the way of hierarchy.
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  I suppose a better way of saying it would be
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  rather than learning lessons, we're here to have
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  experiences. That might be a better way of putting
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  it. Maybe our souls are here to experience things
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  that they can't experience elsewhere. And I'm
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  interpreting that as a lesson when actually all
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  it is is an experience. Yeah. And that's the
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  word that Monty uses, is he says we're here to
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  experience. And specifically what we're here
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  to experience is more of our own soul's expression.
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  And one of the things I've learned in channeling
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  is the word choice is very specific. In the words
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  that he chooses and why he says them, there are
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  certain intentions behind them. And it's very
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  often informed by... a very strict meaning of
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  what those words mean. But then sometimes he'll
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  say, okay, this word's used this way, but we're
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  going to use it this way because there's not
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  really a word that exists for this. So we're
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  going to explain this concept in more detail,
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  but we're going to continue to use this word.
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  Trauma is one of those words. For him, trauma,
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  we associate trauma as always something negative
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  in human life. But for him, it's always too much,
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  too fast, and too much energy to process in a
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  single go. And it could be something positive.
• 20:33
  It's not always something negative, but he uses
• 20:35
  the word trauma to describe that, because in
• 20:39
  an energetic sense for him, trauma is energy
• 20:42
  that gets stuck in us. It could be positive energy
• 20:44
  that gets stuck in us, not just negative energy.
• 20:47
  So in channeling, we kind of... learn like the
• 20:51
  pattern of words is very often important. The
• 20:54
  word choice is very important. And I think I
• 20:56
  have a tendency to mince words because of that,
• 20:59
  because I'm like, wow, but the words matter.
• 21:02
  I could listen to you all day, Kim. I find what
• 21:07
  you say, the topics that you and Monty explore,
• 21:10
  there are so many layers in what or how you explore
• 21:14
  and what you say on these different topics. I
• 21:17
  feel really privileged being able to listen to
• 21:19
  you live. But I'd really like to know a bit more
• 21:21
  about your experience, Kim. You spoke earlier
• 21:24
  on about how you first channeled. But can we
• 21:28
  take a step back? Were you always spiritual?
• 21:31
  Were you always woo woo? Were you more corporate?
• 21:34
  What's your background? So I laugh because I
• 21:38
  was so not a woo woo person. And in fact, I own
• 21:44
  a marketing agency and years and years ago we
• 21:46
  worked on a website that was a directory for
• 21:50
  healers of all different types of energy healers,
• 21:53
  Akashic record readers. And that was my first
• 21:56
  exposure to a lot of these different concepts
• 21:58
  was doing SEO research to help this website rank.
• 22:02
  And I was like, who in the world pays for...
• 22:05
  an Akashic reading, like what even is this? How
• 22:08
  do you even say this word? I couldn't even say
• 22:10
  the word Reiki because I didn't know how it's
• 22:11
  pronounced. So for me, like I had absolutely
• 22:16
  no woo. I was not raised in a woo -woo family,
• 22:19
  didn't know anything about psychics, work, tarot,
• 22:23
  any of occult stuff whatsoever. I was raised
• 22:26
  in a Christian household, but my dad is recovering
• 22:29
  Catholic and my mom is a Recover King Episcopalian.
• 22:32
  So we were in a hippie dippy church where there
• 22:35
  were literal rainbows painted on the walls. Excellent.
• 22:38
  That's a church I can get on board with. Yeah.
• 22:42
  I mean, I was a very love and light and it's
• 22:44
  a super liberal church. They actually sued the
• 22:46
  state of South Carolina to legalize gay marriage.
• 22:49
  It's a completely different experience. Yeah.
• 22:51
  Great. But that was my religious upbringing and
• 22:54
  what I had. as a kid, but absolutely no woo stuff.
• 22:57
  And I approach life in a very logical, achievement
• 23:02
  -based fashion. And I still struggle with that
• 23:04
  a lot. I got really deep into hustle culture
• 23:07
  because I started a marketing agency very early
• 23:11
  on in my life and felt like I had a lot to prove.
• 23:14
  But at the end of the day, I worked myself to
• 23:17
  the bone, doing it for, you know, 10, 15 years
• 23:20
  now, that it just got to be too much. And I didn't
• 23:25
  know how to cope. So I started going to therapy.
• 23:28
  The problem is I'm one of those super logical
• 23:30
  people that is extremely self -aware. And I'd
• 23:32
  already read a bunch of books on CBT, had started
• 23:35
  applying CBT to myself of, okay, what was the
• 23:38
  trigger? Why do I feel this way? How am I going
• 23:40
  to work through those emotions? Got to therapy,
• 23:43
  they were like, well, we don't really know what
• 23:44
  to do with you. You're kind of doing all the
• 23:46
  tools in our toolbox. After four therapists,
• 23:51
  I was like, well, I don't know what to do. But
• 23:53
  they're just at this point saying, this is all
• 23:55
  there is. I got to learn how to cope with this.
• 23:58
  And it got to the point where I was just looking
• 24:01
  for anything. And a close friend of mine, she
• 24:04
  was a copywriter, and she's based in Australia.
• 24:07
  She decided that she was going to try becoming
• 24:09
  an energy healer and started giving away sessions
• 24:11
  for free. And it was during the time in the pandemic
• 24:15
  where we were all using Gosh, I can't remember
• 24:18
  the name of the app. It was like something else.
• 24:21
  It was like a chat app that you could listen
• 24:24
  to people having conversations in other countries.
• 24:28
  And I had downloaded it and saw it like, oh,
• 24:31
  someone I know is on this and she's live at the
• 24:33
  moment. So I'm going to listen to it. And she
• 24:35
  was talking with somebody else about energy healing
• 24:37
  and what a difference that had made in her life.
• 24:38
  So I reached out to her and found out she was
• 24:40
  giving away these free sessions. And I decided,
• 24:42
  you know what? I've tried therapy. I've tried
• 24:44
  all the self -help books. I'm going to give it
• 24:46
  a try. and see if that is something that's going
• 24:49
  to help me because I was completely at a loss.
• 24:52
  And that single session was so helpful and so
• 24:56
  transformative that I said, okay, maybe there's
• 24:59
  something to this energy stuff that I was willing
• 25:01
  to try it just to see because I was so desperate.
• 25:05
  And in the interim between when I decided to
• 25:08
  go down that route, and really getting into it,
• 25:12
  my husband dislocated his shoulder and had to
• 25:14
  have surgery. And he was down for weeks, like
• 25:18
  couldn't really move his arm. I was on my own
• 25:20
  at the agency because we've worked together for
• 25:22
  a number of years at that point. I was just completely
• 25:25
  overwhelmed and said, you know what, I'm going
• 25:27
  to take this as just a I have to do this because
• 25:30
  I need help. I am at my limit. I cannot keep
• 25:33
  going. And so committed to working with her,
• 25:36
  doing energy healing. And when we would do the
• 25:39
  energy healings after a while of working on my
• 25:41
  own energy for probably a couple months with
• 25:43
  her, I started to be able to sense my spirit
• 25:46
  guides, but it was only when I was connected
• 25:49
  with her. And the reason I understand now is
• 25:52
  because she was kind of boosting up my energy
• 25:54
  to the point where I could connect with them.
• 25:57
  But if I was in meditation, I couldn't hear them
• 25:59
  at all. Even if I was trying, I couldn't connect
• 26:01
  with them, couldn't sense them, couldn't really
• 26:03
  understand why they weren't there. And I chalked
• 26:06
  it up to, well, it must be one of those spiritual
• 26:08
  skills that only a few people have. And I just
• 26:10
  can't have that. It's not for me. I feel like
• 26:14
  a lot of people are probably in that same position
• 26:16
  of they really want to connect with their spirit
• 26:18
  guides and they can sometimes, but then they
• 26:21
  feel like it must be a gift for some other people
• 26:23
  or they can only connect with them through things
• 26:25
  like angel numbers. And that's really where I
• 26:27
  started my journey of connecting with them. And
• 26:30
  it wasn't until I did a lot more energy work
• 26:32
  and then started journaling where I would ask
• 26:35
  questions. and then I would try to connect with
• 26:38
  my highest self and receive the answers that
• 26:41
  I then started being able to connect with my
• 26:43
  spirit team that my highest self was the thing
• 26:45
  I could connect to first before I could connect
• 26:48
  with my spirit team and then I spontaneously
• 26:52
  channeled and then decided okay this is something
• 26:54
  I actually really need to cultivate on a consistent
• 26:56
  basis. I wonder if what Kim is saying is resonating
• 27:07
  with you. I'm fascinated, but the more and more
• 27:09
  Kim is speaking about these different concepts,
• 27:13
  the more I am finding that they make more sense
• 27:17
  to me. And I wonder if that's the same with you.
• 27:20
  I'd love to know. You know where you can reach
• 27:22
  me. You can reach out to me at Facebook, threads,
• 27:25
  and Instagram at the .psychic .explorer. I'd
• 27:30
  love to know what you think of this and my other
• 27:32
  episodes. This is a place where you have impact
• 27:35
  and you have input. If you want something different,
• 27:38
  let me know. If you want to be on the PsychiExplorer,
• 27:41
  let me know. You can also find Kim on Instagram
• 27:44
  and threads at Kim Charlson. Also her fantastic
• 27:48
  podcast Vessel and Voice has just celebrated
• 27:51
  its 50th episode. So you were exploring this
• 28:06
  route anyway, but the channeling was complete
• 28:10
  fluke But because of your curiosity, that's what
• 28:13
  kept you exploring, kept you on this path For
• 28:18
  voice channeling specifically and it turns out
• 28:21
  that as I went down this road to learn more about
• 28:23
  channeling I'd actually been channeling before
• 28:25
  that and just didn't know it That we can channel
• 28:28
  our highest self. So every single day I'd sit
• 28:30
  down and write down questions about like the
• 28:32
  biggest issues I was facing that week and what
• 28:35
  I needed to do and I was lost and didn't know
• 28:38
  any answers and I would just sit there and kind
• 28:40
  of close my eyes and just write down whatever
• 28:43
  it was that I felt intuitively while trying to
• 28:46
  tune into my highest self. That is a form of
• 28:49
  channeling. Channeling comes in lots of different
• 28:51
  forms. So it's not just voice channeling. It's
• 28:55
  not just, hey, I channeled this and tune into
• 28:57
  this psychically and I'm receiving these messages
• 28:59
  and these signs and different imagery. It can
• 29:02
  also be automatic writing, which is where you
• 29:05
  allow the pen to move via the spirit being is
• 29:08
  moving it for you, as well as inspirational writing,
• 29:11
  which is what I was doing, where you sit down
• 29:13
  and write down questions and then you just try
• 29:14
  to write down whatever it is that you feel that
• 29:16
  you're receiving. As well as you can just sit
• 29:19
  in meditation and whatever you receive, as long
• 29:22
  as you're well connected and you're in a high
• 29:23
  vibrational state, that's also channeling. Channeling
• 29:26
  is the act of bringing anything from the non
• 29:28
  -physical to the physical. Anyone who has listened
• 29:32
  to this podcast before knows that self -trust,
• 29:35
  self -doubt, believing in what's coming through
• 29:39
  is a big theme for me. As I continue to explore
• 29:42
  my spirituality, it continues to be a big battle.
• 29:45
  Further to what you were saying there and actually
• 29:47
  further to something we were talking about before
• 29:49
  we hit record. I don't know if I should be asking
• 29:51
  this in present tense or past tense, but how
• 29:54
  do or did you tell the difference between the
• 29:57
  voice of your spirit guide and your inner voice?
• 30:01
  I love that question because usually people ask,
• 30:05
  how do you know it's them? But I think knowing
• 30:08
  the difference between the different... Voices
• 30:10
  that you can have in your head is really important.
• 30:13
  So you have that inner voice and you usually
• 30:15
  have more than one There's the one that beats
• 30:17
  you up that says negative crap about you all
• 30:20
  the time There is a positive version of that,
• 30:23
  but they usually actually speak in the same way
• 30:26
  They use a lot of should they use a lot of regret
• 30:29
  and they use a lot of past tense That it's a
• 30:33
  lot of reflecting back on things that you should
• 30:36
  have done or could have done or did correctly
• 30:39
  and that you're building yourself up. It's not
• 30:43
  a lot of forward -looking, and it's also not
• 30:45
  a lot of present tense. If it is forward -looking,
• 30:47
  it's usually the voice of anxiety. We have to
• 30:50
  anticipate all these different things that are
• 30:52
  going to happen. We have to orchestrate this
• 30:54
  different way and this different way, or what's
• 30:56
  going to happen in this way or this way, and
• 30:58
  trying to predict. But it's usually from a position
• 31:01
  of trying to figure out things. It is not a voice
• 31:05
  of knowledge. It may be very confident in itself.
• 31:09
  But when you really listen to it, it doesn't
• 31:12
  actually know what it's talking about most of
• 31:14
  the time. And when we come into the subconscious,
• 31:18
  so not the active voice that you can hear, but
• 31:21
  the kind of voice that bubbles up from deep within
• 31:24
  you, sometimes that can speak in things that
• 31:28
  may feel like they're channeled, that they're
• 31:31
  images that we don't really understand, or they're
• 31:34
  allegories, or they're archetypes. The difference
• 31:38
  in that that I have discovered myself is that
• 31:42
  it makes logical sense. That I can apply logic
• 31:46
  to it and say, oh, well, I'm having this dream
• 31:48
  about feeling trapped all the time because I
• 31:52
  feel trapped in my life right now. And that was
• 31:54
  a dream I kept having at that time period in
• 31:56
  my life. I would have these horrible, horrible
• 31:59
  dreams and they were not positive. and that every
• 32:03
  single time it was resonating with how I was
• 32:05
  really feeling deep down, if I really tuned into
• 32:07
  that subconscious that I was very unaware of
• 32:09
  at that point in my life. And that's not to say
• 32:12
  the subconscious is always negative. Sometimes
• 32:13
  it can be very positive, but it's something that
• 32:16
  feels, how do I put it? It feels natural to you.
• 32:21
  It doesn't feel foreign. It feels like, oh, I
• 32:24
  understand it now. I see that in myself now,
• 32:27
  but it's more of an internal realization. Versus
• 32:30
  when you're working with a spirit guide, even
• 32:33
  though it may be a realization, it feels like
• 32:35
  it's coming from outside of you. The way that
• 32:37
  it's communicated is usually very different in
• 32:39
  terms of the vocabulary, the sentence structure,
• 32:43
  but it will often be extremely positive things,
• 32:46
  especially when you first connect because they're
• 32:48
  so loving to us. Most of the time, the messages
• 32:51
  that we receive are very, very loving in the
• 32:53
  beginning. And so then we kind of brush them
• 32:55
  off because we're like, well, that's just me.
• 32:57
  getting into a mode of self aggrandizement. It's
• 33:00
  not actually beneficial that like, you know,
• 33:03
  I'm telling myself I'm doing a great job and
• 33:05
  look at all these amazing things I have done.
• 33:07
  Well, if somebody loved you a lot, that is probably
• 33:09
  the first thing they would want you to know.
• 33:11
  So we have a tendency to brush those things off
• 33:13
  because they seem innocuous. because they're
• 33:16
  not the answers to the big struggles. But most
• 33:18
  of the time when our spirit guides come in, they're
• 33:20
  trying to establish that trust. And they really
• 33:22
  want us to know how much they love us, because
• 33:24
  they know how much of a difference that could
• 33:26
  make in our lives. And they're really dang proud
• 33:28
  of us. But in terms of like discerning the difference,
• 33:33
  there's a couple different ways. So the word
• 33:35
  choice. The way that it's said is usually different,
• 33:39
  but if you're able to tune into the energy, the
• 33:42
  direction of the energy is different. Usually
• 33:44
  if it's coming from you, it kind of feels a little
• 33:46
  swirly. It's around you either in your head or
• 33:48
  it's around your body. It feels kind of like
• 33:50
  it's just circling there. Whereas when you're
• 33:53
  tuning into a spirit guide or a spirit being
• 33:56
  outside of you, it's coming at you from a specific
• 34:00
  direction. So when it comes to that discernment,
• 34:05
  that's what's really required. is that we take
• 34:07
  time to receive first, and we take whatever it
• 34:11
  is that's coming in, and then we discern afterwards.
• 34:14
  And for a lot of our inner self -talk, we don't
• 34:17
  do that. We just accept it as fact. We don't
• 34:20
  go through the process of saying, well, actually,
• 34:22
  that's not true. I am not stupid just because
• 34:25
  I did that thing absent -mindedly. So learning
• 34:28
  that process of receiving and then discerning
• 34:30
  is a really good practice. And it's a good practice
• 34:33
  for your mental health anyway, because that negative
• 34:35
  voice for some of us is very, very strong. And
• 34:39
  using that self discernment can make a difference.
• 34:41
  But it also makes it easier for us that when
• 34:44
  we receive intuitive hits from wherever they're
• 34:47
  coming from, we can say, OK, that's actually
• 34:49
  not coming from me. I understand that's not for
• 34:52
  me. Yeah. Would you agree that the more and more
• 34:55
  you experience that, the stronger that understanding
• 34:57
  gets or becomes? So in part, yes, I can trust
• 35:02
  it a lot more now that I have a really strong
• 35:04
  discernment, but my self -doubt still shows up
• 35:07
  on a routine basis. And what it takes is not
• 35:11
  external validation of people telling me, hey,
• 35:13
  that message really resonated with me, or that
• 35:16
  really hit a chord with me, or that meant so
• 35:20
  much and that really talked about, you know,
• 35:22
  all these different things that I'm going through.
• 35:24
  Yes, that does happen, but that's not up to me.
• 35:28
  My job as a channel is to make sure that I am
• 35:32
  as clear of a vessel as I can be, that my consciousness
• 35:35
  is as out of the way as it can be, that I am
• 35:38
  in a state of deep surrender as much as possible,
• 35:41
  and that I'm maintaining that connection regardless
• 35:44
  of what distractions come up. Because sometimes
• 35:46
  the things that will come through can be really
• 35:49
  surprising. So it's really important for me to
• 35:52
  be constantly monitoring that connection of,
• 35:55
  am I connected, am I connected, am I connected,
• 35:56
  am I connected? rather than saying, okay, I'm
• 36:00
  going to doubt that information. As the channeler,
• 36:04
  when I'm sitting with someone and doing a channeling
• 36:07
  for them, It's them to do the discernment, not
• 36:10
  me, because I don't know what's going on in their
• 36:12
  life. I don't know what's going on in their head
• 36:14
  or whether or not it resonates with them. And
• 36:16
  that comes down to is Monty doing a good job
• 36:18
  on his end of like, I get to relinquish that
• 36:22
  a little bit in a way that like psychics don't
• 36:25
  get to in the same way, because it's not my skill
• 36:28
  as the spirit being to know. Is this message
• 36:32
  resonating? Is it really helping them in the
• 36:34
  way that they need, in the tone that they need
• 36:36
  it, in the moment when they need it? My job is
• 36:38
  just being the channel. So I do get off a little
• 36:41
  bit more lightly in that way than a psychic.
• 36:43
  You know, I've never thought of it like that
• 36:44
  before. That must be quite relieving. It is.
• 36:49
  The way that you describe that, the way that
• 36:50
  you say that. After a lifetime of making sure
• 36:53
  that I was hustling and performing at the highest
• 36:56
  ability, The only thing I have to worry about
• 36:59
  now is taking care of my vessel. It is this just
• 37:01
  really lightened load. And what it has helped
• 37:05
  me actually understand is that's true for all
• 37:07
  of us. that that still applies in our lives because
• 37:12
  what we are really doing is that we're a vessel
• 37:14
  for all the energies that want to work through
• 37:16
  us. Whether we're channeling or we're doing our
• 37:19
  daily work or we're creating something, that
• 37:22
  is something from the non -physical that we are
• 37:24
  bringing through. It may be our own soul energies
• 37:27
  or it could be a different energy. So rather
• 37:29
  than constantly judging ourselves on the product
• 37:33
  and the outcome, which many times we cannot control,
• 37:36
  we have to judge ourselves on how good we're
• 37:39
  being a vessel, how good we are doing the act
• 37:43
  of the creating without regard to the outcome.
• 37:48
  I suppose just as we were saying before, before
• 37:50
  we press record, that's really hard, isn't it?
• 37:52
  Especially living in this world of stats and
• 37:56
  constantly chasing numbers and figures. It's
• 37:58
  hard, isn't it? Oh, and I struggle with it all
• 38:01
  the time. Yeah, all the time. It is something
• 38:04
  that coming from a marketing background of trying
• 38:07
  to grow my channeling business, I'm constantly
• 38:09
  looking at those stats and saying, OK, how can
• 38:11
  I optimize more? How can I do more? How could
• 38:13
  I have some more? How can I show it better? How
• 38:15
  could I change the first three seconds of my
• 38:18
  videos to get that hook in better? And I've had
• 38:20
  to learn actually, no, it's not going to work
• 38:23
  that way for me to grow my business and channeling
• 38:27
  to the place that I really want it to be, there
• 38:30
  is no amount of hustle that I could do to get
• 38:32
  it there. It's going to take more than just my
• 38:35
  energy. And that means that there's probably
• 38:39
  no point in trying to optimize everything to
• 38:43
  the inch of its existence. For what? For an algorithm?
• 38:50
  We are who we are. We are human. Absolutely.
• 38:54
  Absolutely. And I feel like the external validation
• 38:58
  is such a inbuilt part of being human because
• 39:01
  we have a fear of death. Monty talks about that.
• 39:04
  The reason why we seek external validation is
• 39:06
  because we don't want to die. And the more I
• 39:08
  channel, the less I'm afraid of death. It still
• 39:11
  scares the bejesus out of me. But the more that
• 39:14
  I channel, the more I'm like at peace with it.
• 39:16
  We'll see when I get old. Hopefully I make it
• 39:19
  that long. Hmm, interesting. It's not something
• 39:24
  that necessarily resonates with me, but I certainly
• 39:27
  understand where you're coming from or what you
• 39:29
  mean when you say that. I guess the more you
• 39:33
  uncover, the more you explore, the more you know
• 39:36
  and the less scary things are. It's like I know
• 39:38
  there's an entire team of souls just waiting
• 39:41
  there for me. That when that eventually does
• 39:44
  happen, because it will, there's no avoiding
• 39:46
  it. That when I am disincarnate, I'll be with
• 39:49
  them and I can be with them here now too. And
• 39:53
  it's just a continuation, it's just the format
• 39:54
  changes. You are in active contact with your
• 39:58
  spirit guide on a daily basis. Do we need to
• 40:02
  be in active conversation with our guide, with
• 40:05
  our teams, with our spirits in order to be spiritual
• 40:09
  people? Absolutely not. No, exactly. That's what
• 40:12
  I wonder. You don't. Absolutely do not need to
• 40:16
  be in contact with your spirit guides to live
• 40:18
  a spiritual life. They're there if you want them.
• 40:20
  But if you don't want them, that's cool, too.
• 40:23
  And in fact, like my energy healer that I've
• 40:26
  worked with extensively, she often talks about
• 40:28
  she sees most of her clients parentify their
• 40:31
  their spirit guides. And so for some of them,
• 40:34
  it can be a really negative experience because
• 40:36
  then they're like, OK, tell me what to do. I
• 40:38
  don't know how to make choices. I need someone
• 40:40
  to be my parent. And that can be a negative experience
• 40:43
  for some people. For me, it's really positive
• 40:47
  to be in contact with my spirit guides, but it
• 40:49
  isn't for everybody. And it's for different reasons.
• 40:52
  But the one thing I will say of why I would say
• 40:56
  being in contact with spirit guides can be useful
• 40:58
  is they have a much higher perspective than you.
• 41:01
  They're much more in tune with the universe and
• 41:06
  all of its complexities than we understand. And
• 41:10
  when you just have no one else to go to, they're
• 41:14
  there for insights, for guidance. And yeah, they
• 41:17
  can provide answers, but they won't just say,
• 41:19
  here's the answer. They'll guide you through
• 41:22
  that process of making a decision, because part
• 41:25
  of you making choices, you going through. the
• 41:28
  experience of living, or what you would term
• 41:30
  lessons, however you want to call it, but that's
• 41:34
  the process of why we're here. And they have
• 41:36
  a deep amount of respect for us because being
• 41:38
  physical is way the hell harder than being in
• 41:41
  spirit. It is just simply more difficult in many
• 41:45
  ways. Energy just moves more slowly here. We
• 41:48
  have to deal with lots of really horrific things
• 41:51
  that don't... have the same weight in the non
• 41:54
  -physical world and so they see us in our own
• 41:58
  way as masters of energy because we have decided
• 42:00
  to come here and they have a deep level of respect
• 42:02
  for us and with that respect comes the understanding
• 42:06
  that we make our own decisions but that they
• 42:08
  can help us along that path. So you use what
• 42:13
  you call semi -conscious trance to bring your
• 42:16
  spirit guide Monty through. Yes. What does that
• 42:19
  look like? What is that? What does that mean?
• 42:22
  What does that look like to you? Can you describe
• 42:24
  that? Yeah, so semi -conscious trance means that
• 42:28
  you're not fully unconscious versus a full trance
• 42:31
  state or deep trance. You are of... absolutely
• 42:34
  no idea what's going on and the being is in full
• 42:37
  control. So there are definitely a lot of mediums
• 42:41
  that are out there that go into full deep trance
• 42:43
  and they can walk around and have conversations
• 42:47
  and it's quite amazing. Kevin Ryerson was a really
• 42:50
  famous one, if you want to check that out, that
• 42:53
  he is famous because he was a channeler that
• 42:58
  worked with Shirley MacLaine who in that time
• 43:02
  period, she's the one that really made channeling
• 43:04
  famous, is that she wrote her books about channeling
• 43:06
  and started to bring a lot of awareness to it.
• 43:09
  So he channels and is still alive today and channel
• 43:12
  us, I think, four or five different beings that
• 43:14
  he works with. So for me, when I go into a semi
• 43:17
  -conscious trance state, I go through a meditative
• 43:20
  process to prepare my energy that I ground and
• 43:23
  I set my thinking mind to the side. I let go
• 43:26
  of all energetic connections. I clear out my
• 43:29
  space. so I make sure that no other beings are
• 43:31
  hanging out. I then expand my energy a whole
• 43:35
  bunch and open up my heart to receive. And then
• 43:39
  I make connection with Monty or whomever I'm
• 43:42
  channeling. So I do mostly channel Monty, but
• 43:44
  I do channel from time to time other spirit beings.
• 43:48
  But Monte is who you'll see me on social media
• 43:51
  or our podcast or in our community That's who
• 43:54
  I work with and in sessions. Sometimes it will
• 43:56
  also channel other people's spirit guides. So
• 43:58
  that does happen from time to time but Then at
• 44:02
  that point I'm using my discernment my consciousness
• 44:05
  is still in my body and I'm connecting with Monte
• 44:09
  and he's Usually to the front and left of me
• 44:13
  and I make sure I know it's him when he first
• 44:15
  started showing up He had more of a human kind
• 44:18
  of looking form He has some like fishy qualities
• 44:22
  to him that make him feel a bit of a caricature
• 44:25
  to be honest But as I've gotten to know him a
• 44:28
  lot more he just appears as a ball of energy
• 44:30
  at this point that has this Quality to it of
• 44:33
  sunlight coming through waves is how I would
• 44:35
  describe it. It's really warm. It's really loving
• 44:38
  really inviting and Once I know that he's there
• 44:41
  and everything else is away to the side then
• 44:45
  we will complete kind of the connection where
• 44:48
  I allow him to come into my body and he comes
• 44:52
  in mostly through my heart chakra in my head
• 44:55
  and my third eye in my throat that he's mostly
• 44:56
  in the upper chakras and as he's doing that my
• 44:59
  consciousness at the same time I am intentionally
• 45:02
  kind of bringing it to the back and allowing
• 45:04
  it to fall backwards. And for me, it usually
• 45:07
  sits directly behind me and a little bit to the
• 45:10
  left is where my consciousness is. And I can
• 45:13
  have a sense of that's where I am. And it often
• 45:17
  feels like I am observing from the outside. because
• 45:21
  my consciousness is no longer really it's still
• 45:24
  within my energetic form, but it's not in my
• 45:26
  body anymore. It's still within my energy and
• 45:29
  my what we would call like your or your what
• 45:31
  Monte terms your energetic center. And it's then
• 45:36
  at that point that he kind of settles himself
• 45:39
  in. And if you watch the process of when I first
• 45:43
  start to bring him in, if you see the whole process,
• 45:46
  You can see my body starts to shift. I actually
• 45:49
  sit differently. When he comes in fully, my body
• 45:52
  language changes. And it's kind of funny because
• 45:55
  I do get slight back pain because he sits up
• 45:58
  straighter than I do normally. So it uses different
• 46:00
  muscles. He will say, you know, this is Monty
• 46:05
  and welcomes himself in. And depending on what
• 46:07
  we're doing, you know, he then sometimes gives
• 46:09
  an opening message or talks to the person. And
• 46:13
  from there, he just kind of takes the show. And
• 46:15
  my job then is to make sure that my consciousness
• 46:16
  is out and that I'm maintaining that connection
• 46:19
  and that I'm really surrendering and that I do
• 46:23
  not know what he's going to say at any given
• 46:25
  time. So we do for our membership. We have a
• 46:28
  monthly meditation. And that one's usually the
• 46:31
  most fun for me because I really, he doesn't
• 46:33
  tell me what he's going to do. And it's kind
• 46:35
  of like this fun little experiment of I go through
• 46:39
  the process of helping everyone prepare their
• 46:41
  vessel to receive whatever meditation that we're
• 46:43
  doing. Then he comes in and he's like, hello
• 46:46
  everyone, this is what we're actually doing today.
• 46:49
  And then takes them through another form of the
• 46:51
  meditation. and I just get to sit there and watch
• 46:54
  it unfold. And it's kind of a fun thing because
• 46:58
  most of the time he kind of gives me an idea
• 47:00
  of like our podcasts or for our weekly messages.
• 47:03
  I can see the direction that he's going in and
• 47:06
  kind of anticipate it or he's asked me for more
• 47:09
  questions on the podcast topics. But for certain
• 47:13
  things, I have absolutely no idea. And channeling
• 47:15
  sessions are definitely like that because the
• 47:17
  person that comes in many times I don't know
• 47:20
  anything about them. We keep our cameras off
• 47:22
  so that way they really feel like I'm not reading
• 47:25
  them in any way. And I do have my eyes closed
• 47:27
  when I channel. And those are often the most
• 47:31
  interesting because Monte will know things about
• 47:33
  the person that there's no way for me to have
• 47:36
  looked up online. And I find it as well that
• 47:39
  we talked about doubt before. Every single time
• 47:42
  I have a channeling session, it reinforces that
• 47:44
  for me of, nope, this is definitely real. One
• 47:47
  of the first channeling sessions that I gave
• 47:49
  away to a friend. She's a very witchy person.
• 47:53
  And she asked her spirit guide that I, at that
• 47:56
  point in time, I was still channeling a lot more
• 47:58
  people's spirit guides than we do now. I really
• 48:00
  work mostly with Monty, but at that time period,
• 48:03
  Monty was acting as a doorkeeper. So he would
• 48:06
  say, okay, there's somebody on your team wants
• 48:07
  to speak with you. We're going to switch places.
• 48:09
  And then I would allow their energies to change
• 48:12
  while my consciousness is still out. And then
• 48:14
  they, the other spirit guide would then speak
• 48:16
  through me. And this other spirit guide came
• 48:18
  in and gave her really specific instructions
• 48:21
  for a ritual to do with a purple candle. And
• 48:24
  I don't know anything about witchy ritual type
• 48:28
  stuff. It is not something I've studied or really
• 48:30
  been into myself and admire it for all its detailed
• 48:34
  nuance. And at the end of the session, she said,
• 48:37
  you know, it's really funny. Earlier today, I
• 48:40
  felt intuitively I needed to buy this purple
• 48:42
  candle and I bought it. And now I have it to
• 48:44
  do this ritual. So it's Things like that that
• 48:47
  also continue to prove to me that even though
• 48:50
  my consciousness is out of the way, it's still
• 48:52
  not my subconscious. There's too many things
• 48:55
  that are said or things that are known that I
• 48:58
  could never know, or weird synchronicities like
• 49:00
  that, that there's no way for me to anticipate.
• 49:04
  There's this one question I need to ask you,
• 49:06
  Kim. How much control, when you're in this state,
• 49:10
  how much control do you have? Like when you're
• 49:12
  channeling Monte, Do you control your lips? Do
• 49:16
  you control your voice, your tongue? From a really
• 49:18
  academic point of view, what's the sort of percentage
• 49:21
  that you are in control of? It depends on the
• 49:24
  day, to be honest. Some days I can release more
• 49:27
  control. The safer that I feel, the more grounded
• 49:31
  I feel, the more centered I feel, the more relaxed
• 49:34
  I feel. the easier it is for me to channel, and
• 49:37
  then I can go into a slightly deeper trance state.
• 49:40
  But I am always in control, so I can stop it
• 49:42
  at any time. And that's why I do semi -conscious.
• 49:45
  It's never to the point where I don't know what's
• 49:47
  going on, that I don't have discernment. I've
• 49:49
  taken a lot of channeling classes, this is how
• 49:51
  I really learned ultimately how to do channeling.
• 49:55
  And I would say properly is a judgment word here,
• 49:57
  but I do have a specific way that I think channeling
• 50:00
  should be done. And the reason why is that we
• 50:02
  stay protected in that. Whereas a deep trans
• 50:04
  -channeling state, you know, entity attachments
• 50:08
  do happen, and we do have to be cautious of those.
• 50:12
  And in channeling, you can be accidentally channeling
• 50:15
  something that is not a higher sense of perspective,
• 50:20
  not a higher vibrational being. So that's why
• 50:22
  I chose semi -conscious trans -channeling, because
• 50:25
  it felt like I could still have that. discernment
• 50:29
  that I still feel is important, and that I'm
• 50:31
  not just gonna let anything take over and speak
• 50:34
  through me. And I only work with things that
• 50:36
  I know, that I know well. There's other spirit
• 50:39
  beings that I work with myself, but I would never
• 50:41
  channel for someone else because I don't feel
• 50:43
  like I can trust them enough yet. That there's
• 50:46
  that relationship there. It is something that
• 50:47
  we've built up over time. In terms of like, can
• 50:51
  I feel my body moving? Yes. I feel like if you've
• 50:56
  ever meditated really, really, really deeply
• 50:58
  before and you kind of have this like foggy sense
• 51:01
  of connection with your body, that's kind of
• 51:03
  what it feels like. Okay, Kim, you have answered
• 51:16
  all my questions. For the human. Yes, the human
• 51:20
  Kim has, yes. I had some questions for Monty,
• 51:24
  but as we've gone through this, you've sort of
• 51:25
  answered those already. You will have different
• 51:27
  answers though, or a different way of answering
• 51:30
  them. Well, what I will say is that earlier on
• 51:32
  when I was thinking of what questions to ask,
• 51:34
  I just had this thought that whatever question
• 51:36
  I write down is not going to be the question
• 51:39
  that I ask. I just had this feeling that whatever
• 51:41
  I was going to ask was going to be fluid and
• 51:44
  natural, and I still don't know quite what I'm
• 51:46
  going to ask. And in case listeners haven't quite
• 51:49
  worked out yet, you, Kim, are going to step back
• 51:52
  and allow Monty to speak in a moment. And just
• 51:56
  to also say that your voice changes. It's still
• 51:59
  Kim, but there's just something that just sort
• 52:02
  of changes ever so slightly. Yeah, I don't want
• 52:04
  to sound like I'm a small, tiny person speaking
• 52:07
  out of my voice in the same way like some other
• 52:08
  channels do, yeah. But it's different. Yeah,
• 52:11
  there's never so slightly different intonation
• 52:13
  in your voice. It's still Kim, but there's just
• 52:15
  something that's just slightly different about
• 52:17
  it. And honestly, one of the funny things is
• 52:20
  this, when I go back and edit stuff, it'll be
• 52:23
  like, oh, he moved this way, or he did that,
• 52:27
  even though it's my body, that it's different
• 52:30
  enough for me that even when I'm reviewing it,
• 52:32
  it doesn't feel like I'm watching myself. It's
• 52:35
  kind of very strange, and it's taken a while
• 52:37
  to get used to that, honestly, in its own way.
• 52:39
  So but we'll let him speak for himself and I'm
• 52:43
  sure he will have stuff to start you off because
• 52:45
  he usually does. We'll let him come in and see
• 52:49
  what he wants to share because he I mean he's
• 52:51
  been here listening this whole time so I'm sure
• 52:53
  he's got some stuff that he wants like I can
• 52:55
  tell he has some things that he has some thoughts
• 52:57
  on. Okay great yeah fire away. Hello it is Monty
• 53:06
  how are you? Hello Monty I'm Matt nice to meet
• 53:10
  you. Wonderful to meet you as well. We are delighted
• 53:14
  to be here with you today. So before you begin
• 53:17
  your questions, there are a few things we would
• 53:20
  like to clarify of our perspective. Is that all
• 53:23
  right with you? Please carry on. Thank you. So
• 53:28
  what we would say is the most important takeaway
• 53:30
  for the listeners of this episode is not that
• 53:34
  channeling is a unique skill to certain individuals,
• 53:38
  as Kimberly has spoken about, but is something
• 53:40
  that everyone does and that they are currently
• 53:43
  doing right now. And that is something that most
• 53:46
  humans do not recognize is that their soul in
• 53:49
  its own way is being channeled through your body
• 53:53
  every second of every day. You are already a
• 53:57
  channeler. And that is something that we wish
• 53:58
  to underline because it is important for you
• 54:01
  to open up to that realization. The more that
• 54:05
  you can open up to the realization that you are
• 54:08
  already channeling your soul It becomes much
• 54:10
  easier for you to become more intuitive to allow
• 54:14
  other energies as well to come through you The
• 54:17
  other thing that we wish to clarify is something
• 54:20
  on the Spirit Guide perspective that not only
• 54:22
  are we beings of unconditional love organized
• 54:26
  in such a way that we help one specific individual
• 54:29
  and that we are on our own soul journeys, but
• 54:32
  as well, we are of a team. So it is important
• 54:35
  to understand that not only do we function as
• 54:38
  specific individuals, but we also function as
• 54:41
  a collective. And the collective has an overall
• 54:44
  intention of that we are helping and guiding
• 54:47
  you, but each respective individual on the team
• 54:51
  also has specific goals and assignments that
• 54:54
  vary depending on their. personality, we will
• 54:57
  say, their specific energetic intentions. So
• 55:00
  it is important that as you access your spirit
• 55:02
  team, if you wish to begin to communicate with
• 55:04
  them and you contact one specific individual
• 55:07
  versus a collective or group of your spirit team,
• 55:11
  to ask them what their goal is for your relationship.
• 55:14
  That way you understand who they are in relationship
• 55:18
  with you and how they can best help you. So what
• 55:21
  are your first questions, Matt? I have a question
• 55:25
  here about lessons and as we were talking with
• 55:29
  Kim earlier on we were saying that lessons are
• 55:34
  more like experiences and I guess my question
• 55:37
  is the experiences that we have as we live through
• 55:41
  our physical lives are these experiences which
• 55:45
  our souls have chosen to live through? They've
• 55:49
  been laid out before us in a certain way because
• 55:51
  these are what our soul wants to experience.
• 55:55
  Or do we come here with a checklist of things
• 55:59
  we want to experience, but whatever comes our
• 56:03
  way happens. I hope that makes some sort of sense.
• 56:07
  Yes, we understand your meaning. So what we would
• 56:10
  say is that it's important to understand that
• 56:12
  your soul does have specific goals and intentions
• 56:15
  as humans would term them. for the reason why
• 56:18
  you are manifest in this particular lifetime,
• 56:21
  in this particular place, in this particular
• 56:24
  situation. And it is much less about the format
• 56:27
  of those things as the energies behind them because
• 56:31
  at its first level, you are a soul first and
• 56:34
  a soul is in its pure essence. Energy and so
• 56:37
  you collaborate with different energies and creation
• 56:40
  by allowing yourself to have those experiences
• 56:42
  and to process through those energies many of
• 56:45
  which are energies that you have worked with
• 56:47
  in a past lifetime and yet need to work with
• 56:50
  again to be able to master those energies to
• 56:52
  master that relationship between you and those
• 56:55
  different energies your soul does not change
• 56:58
  we would say but it does grow in the way that
• 57:00
  it understands what energies it works best with
• 57:02
  what energies it can create from what energies
• 57:05
  it and does not prefer and which other ones it
• 57:08
  could care less about. Now there is as well a
• 57:12
  certain state of surrender that comes in. of
• 57:15
  that while you have those specific intentions
• 57:17
  and you know on a soul level that those things
• 57:19
  will happen regardless of the events of your
• 57:22
  life, the conditions of your life, there is a
• 57:25
  certain amount of surrender because your life
• 57:27
  is also dictated by sources outside of yourself.
• 57:31
  There are larger energies at play such as the
• 57:33
  community in which you live, the environment
• 57:36
  in which you live, the government. many different
• 57:40
  things that are outside of you that impact you.
• 57:43
  Now, your soul can choose to work under some
• 57:46
  of these certain conditions, but there are many
• 57:48
  of them that are entirely out of their control.
• 57:51
  And so thus comes a certain state of surrender,
• 57:54
  of saying, come what will, I am still here to
• 57:57
  work with these specific energies, and the other
• 57:59
  energies that show up are new experiences for
• 58:02
  me to have that may dictate my future direction
• 58:05
  in my future lives. That answers my question
• 58:09
  beautifully, thank you. As you're talking I'm
• 58:13
  also minded to ask about something that me and
• 58:15
  Kim have spoken about, spirit teams. Now I don't
• 58:18
  feel like I'm in active communication with my
• 58:20
  spirit team and my spirit guides. Kim earlier
• 58:23
  on was talking about different spirits coming
• 58:25
  and going and helping at different stages. How
• 58:29
  do past loved ones fit into that? What is the
• 58:32
  interaction between those who have passed and
• 58:34
  who are in our family? And how far does that
• 58:37
  chain of heritage go back? What a beautiful question.
• 58:43
  So what we will say is that unlike a spirit team,
• 58:47
  your ancestors or loved ones that may be of an
• 58:51
  energetic lineage rather than a familial lineage
• 58:54
  interact with you and many others that also share
• 58:58
  similar connections to those souls. So this is
• 59:02
  the difference between a spirit team member who
• 59:04
  is basically just for you and an ancestral or
• 59:08
  energetic lineage that you have where those Connections
• 59:11
  are for more than just you, it is a community
• 59:14
  of souls that are collaborating together across
• 59:16
  multiple lifetimes. So it is a bit more complicated
• 59:20
  because you need to understand the quantum reality
• 59:23
  of the soul. You exist everywhere all at once,
• 59:27
  and so that is why, although someone has passed
• 59:29
  on and may be reincarnated at the moment when
• 59:32
  you are speaking with their... We will say part
• 59:36
  of their soul that you recognize, they are still
• 59:39
  there and are still available for you to converse
• 59:42
  with, to interact with, to participate with,
• 59:46
  because at a soul level you exist everywhere
• 59:48
  all at once of all of your different existences
• 59:51
  at the same time. This is something that is difficult
• 59:54
  for humans to understand, but as quantum is coming
• 59:57
  more into awareness, it is becoming easier for
• 1:00:00
  humans to understand. So, the differences beyond
• 1:00:05
  that a ancestral or energetic line also works
• 1:00:09
  with a group collective of many different individuals
• 1:00:12
  that have those same ties or similar ones to
• 1:00:15
  the individuals to create a group is slightly
• 1:00:19
  different, but in its goal in essence is that
• 1:00:23
  you are in a community. where you are together
• 1:00:27
  growing, changing, learning, evolving, experiencing.
• 1:00:32
  But rather than one is above the other, you are
• 1:00:36
  together as equals. And that is an important
• 1:00:40
  aspect that you learn the more that you go down
• 1:00:42
  your spiritual path, is that your ascended, we
• 1:00:47
  will say familial loved ones, are not always
• 1:00:51
  the highest source of guidance and yet may be
• 1:00:54
  the ones that you listen to the most intimately
• 1:00:56
  because they are the ones that you feel that
• 1:00:58
  you have the evidence to trust. However, they
• 1:01:02
  are on their own path and journey just as you
• 1:01:05
  are. And what we would say is that while they
• 1:01:08
  can provide comfort and insight, if you wish
• 1:01:11
  to have the highest perspective possible, we
• 1:01:13
  would advise that you consult your spirit team
• 1:01:16
  or something even higher than those on your spirit
• 1:01:18
  team for more in tune guidance. Whereas mediumship
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  in the practice of evidential mediumship rather
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  helps you feel more connected with the spirit
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  world because you understand that you are merely
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  in a body for this time and there is an existence
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  outside of that. Thank you, Monty. I feel really
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  privileged to be able to hear your words this
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  evening. I guess the only thing I want to ask
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  you now, Monty, is do you have anything that
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  you would like to share with the listeners? We
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  would. The most important thing for them to consider
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  as part of their own spiritual work and path
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  is a deep connection with their soul. Ultimately,
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  this is the goal of all of the spiritual work
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  that you will do is a divine connection between
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  you and your soul, because when you are deeply
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  connected with your soul, that becomes the pathway
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  for you to exist in separation and be able to
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  function in a physical creation while also being
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  connected to the universe. that that is, in many
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  ways, the way that you can live a more complete
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  life going forward. We send you great love. We
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  are delighted for this opportunity, Matt, and
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  we send you great love specifically from us and
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  your spirit team and great healing. That is all.
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  He kept wanting to call you Matthew. Well, that's
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  my name. He loves using people's, like, full
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  names. He only ever calls me Kimberly, and I
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  think it's funny, and he very often will call
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  people by their full names. And I was like, no,
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  you've got to call Matt. That's his preferred
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  name. Wow. Thank you so much. Not into you, Kimball,
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  but both of you for sharing that experience.
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  I said to you before that I wasn't sure what
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  question I was going to ask. I think I asked
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  a version of what I had originally planned. Yeah,
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  I just felt called not to ask my original questions.
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  What I find really fascinating, again, overuse
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  of the word interesting and fascinating here,
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  but his answers, there are so many different
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  layers to them. My previous guest in the January
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  episode, Rob Lomax, He can channel his spirit
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  team, but he would say that they are beings in
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  other dimensions. And for me, that is really
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  out there. But when Monty was talking, it was
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  almost exactly the same as what Rob says and
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  the way that Rob describes it. The similarities
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  are really uncanny. There's correlation. Yeah,
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  and that's the thing. that I think we have to
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  really take in as we're discerning channeled
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  messages because not all channelers are good
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  at what they do. Just like not all mediums are
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  good at what they do or all psychics or tarot
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  readers, it's a skill that we develop over time.
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  And you can absolutely be channeling your subconscious
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  and think that you're channeling a higher source
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  of guidance or be channeling a lower vibrational
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  being and thinking that it's something amazing.
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  The kind of traits that I have found It's something
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  that's generally positive, even if it's something
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  that is bad news, that is delivered in a loving
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  way. Sometimes it can be very firm, depending
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  on the being, but it's still something that's
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  helpful. It's not leading us down a road of everything
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  is awful all the time. Why do you even try? It
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  also needs to come from a place of supportiveness
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  and guidance. And even when we're channeling
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  higher vibrational beings. So for example, like
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  an archangel, They have different personalities
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  just like we would and some of them are definitely
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  more intense than others and some of them are
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  more brash and More straight laced I would say
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  as well like Monty can have a very funny sense
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  of humor sometimes Archangels I found don't really
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  have that personality to them. They're here for
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  a purpose. They want to get down to business
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  They got plenty of stuff to do They're in, they're
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  out. Let's go. That's been my experience with
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  archangels. Now other people have different experiences,
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  but there's a purpose to what they're saying
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  is the other thing of that. It's not just a bunch
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  of flowy cutesy words that make us feel good,
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  but it is actually helping us in some way to
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  achieve something. and that it's not just there
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  to make us feel good, it's to help us come to
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  decisions and come to a deeper understanding.
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  One more thing I want to just add to that is
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  that for me personally, and strictly this is
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  just me personally, when people start talking
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  about angels and archangels. My reaction is to
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  go, oh, no, no, no, not for me. As you're saying
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  that, I'm saying to myself, Matt, just take away
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  that word. Remove the concept and the wording
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  of archangel or spirit guide. Remove that concept
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  that I have in my mind that I am judging and
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  I'm stereotyping. Remove that. And not only does
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  it make sense, but it also feels right. Yeah.
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  And I agree with that because A lot of these
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  different beings have so much human baggage that
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  come with them. Especially archangels. Archangel
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  Michael, depending on what source you're looking
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  to, can be somebody that's really loving and
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  kind to some of the modern channelers. But if
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  you go to the Bible, he's not someone I would
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  want to mess with. and can be used in certain
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  ways, you know, with what we have happening in
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  Palestine right now, can be used in ways as an
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  excuse for genocide. And I do think that we have
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  to be conscious of our own human reactions and
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  to say, okay, I'm going to set that to the side
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  right now, I'm going to allow this to happen,
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  and then I'm going to judge it afterwards. And
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  that's, I think, the key with channeling and
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  intuitive arts, whatever they may be, there's
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  a lot of human baggage. The unfortunate bit is
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  that channeling does require a lot of discernment
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  because once you get down this road it is a slippery
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  slope to just wackadoodle stuff and a week does
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  not go by that I don't get a message from somebody
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  either saying that they are praying for me because
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  I've been possessed by demons or that they fell
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  for wackadoodle stuff and now they're unsure
• 1:07:57
  of who to trust. Discernment is the most important
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  part and that we have to rely on ourselves for
• 1:08:04
  that rather than relying on outside sources and
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  that includes anything from past human history.
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  That stuff is super valuable. I'm not going to
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  discredit it, but I have to know my own experience
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  and my own mastery of my own energy is more important
• 1:08:19
  than all of that. Yeah, we all have our own experiences
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  and we can only go forward with or we can try
• 1:08:26
  to go forward with experiences that we have lived.
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  Thank you so much for tonight, Kim. It has been
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  an absolute pleasure to have you on the Psychiexplorer.
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  So sorry for all the technical glitches, so sorry
• 1:08:38
  for the bird screaming down my microphone at
• 1:08:40
  you. It's been a fun podcast even with all of
• 1:08:44
  our tech glitches and the birds and all of the
• 1:08:47
  different things. It has been an absolute pleasure
• 1:08:49
  to have this with you and I hope the listeners
• 1:08:51
  really like it too. Oh, I just know they will.
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  Thank you. Thank you so, so much. Kim, where
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  can people find you? They can find me at kimtarlson
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  .com is the best place because social media being
• 1:09:05
  social media. You can find me on Instagram and
• 1:09:07
  TikTok and threads. If you want to talk to me
• 1:09:10
  as a person, the best place to do that is threads.
• 1:09:13
  You can sign up to get a free meditation on our
• 1:09:16
  website that will help you connect with your
• 1:09:18
  spirit guides for the first time so if you're
• 1:09:19
  interested in going down that road and you've
• 1:09:21
  not been able to... to connect with them before,
• 1:09:24
  definitely check that out. And then if you want
• 1:09:26
  to go even deeper with Monty, be sure to check
• 1:09:29
  out our podcast, which is Vessel in Voice, and
• 1:09:31
  you can find that on your favorite podcasting
• 1:09:33
  platform, as well as YouTube. And I would recommend
• 1:09:35
  listeners do exactly that, because every time
• 1:09:37
  you talk about something new and new different
• 1:09:39
  topic, there's so many different layers. Every
• 1:09:42
  time I listen to the same episode, I hear different
• 1:09:44
  things. So yeah, I definitely, definitely recommend.
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  Thank you so so much for tonight, Kim. It's been
• 1:09:50
  just wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. It's been
• 1:09:53
  a pleasure.