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• Jonathan: Mortals to the Fantasy Football War Council's podcast. Here are your gods of war, Jonathan Arson, along with Mario and Daniel Gutierrez. Hello and welcome to another meeting of the Fantasy Football War Council. I am your God of War, Jonathan, and as always I'm joined by Brothers Grimm, Gods of Mischief, Daniel, Mario, previous champs, we're all champs. Everybody's the champ on the show. I like it. Not Last McGeee: Okay. Jonathan: ⁓ but previous champs, 'cause you know, we have a we have a current champ. Vince is our current champ. Two time champ. Was it like five or six years he's only been in the league? We curse you, we hate you. Errrr. Look at that. You gotta start out with that, right? But he's doing very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I you know, hey, hey. I do say that first that first one was given when some stupid idiot drops Chube Hubbard week two on the waiver and that Daniel: there. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, he's been doing pretty good. Daniel: You Jonathan: is what carries him to his championship. I'd say it was a mistake, a fat out flat frickin' mistake. But you know, hey, that's just somebody saying that. I don't know what who would say that. ⁓ hey, ⁓ hey, hey, so we have a really good month. This was ⁓ credit goes to Mario for this one. ⁓ and Daniel, Daniel, we wanted to give ⁓ Daniel: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Ha. Jonathan: A full month of rankings. We're gonna go rankings. So each week this this next month we're gonna go an episode of ⁓ two positions. ⁓ there will be an episode of three positions 'cause we love IDP and we are into kickers 'cause kickers are people too. So ⁓ Today is running back and tight end. We have lots of news, so kick it away, Daniel. Daniel: Alright, ⁓ Houston linebacker EJ Speed fully tore his quad. And will miss the whole season with the Texans. Not Last McGeee: That's gotta hurt. Daniel: you Jonathan: Well tearing a muscle. I've torn ligaments, I've torn tendons, I've never torn a muscle. That's gotta hurt. So Not Last McGeee: I've pulled one a couple times out of necessity, but you know, that's as far as I get on that one. ⁓ Jonathan: Yeah, we've all pulled muscles. Yeah. Everybody pulls a groin, right? ⁓ we all pull groin muscles, so back muscles, so that's a ⁓ man. ⁓ a speedy recovery to use speed. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. so speak Yeah. All right. Daniel: It's his speed. ⁓ yeah, I know somebody that tore their quad off the bone like that and they were never the same. Jonathan: Ooh. ⁓ God. How could you be? How could you be? Mario, you typed this mouthful so we gave it to you. This is all you, but Not Last McGeee: Yeah, that's scary. Daniel: Ugh, the tea, the drama. Not Last McGeee: Okay. This is okay. So can to find out there were a lot of conspiracy theories about the Eagles and the disgruntled AJ Brown. Was it ⁓ Howie? Was it Siriani? Was it Hertz? Who wa it all came down to AJ Brown. So AJ Brown is getting traded to New England. Jonathan: Yeah. Here I'll get my cut. Daniel: Where's the popcorn? you Jonathan: It's i w was it because he couldn't be in the thruple? It he wants to be in the thruple, that's what it was, you know. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Wait, AJ Brown's finally out of there. The Eagles are lower drama and the big man on the sidelines job just got a whole lot easier. So we got New England trading for AJ Brown and they're trading a twenty twenty seven fifth round pick plus their twenty twenty eight first. So That's kinda good for New England. They know they're still trying to build a around Drake May, so they're not giving up their first for next year. And then and then they figure in two years they they'll be a little more set. yeah, but apparently what's that? Jonathan: Yes. I think it's high. I think it's high. It's it's a little high for him. It's high. A a first? Come on. A first? Even even in twenty twenty eight. It's it's a little high. How much does he really have left in the tank? He's surrounded by drama. I I'm not sure I would have given a first for him. Not Last McGeee: Ha ha ha. I would not have. I would not have. I was surprised that the second pick was ⁓ fifth. but then when I thought about it, I f figured shoot, well you're given a first that should actually be like a sixth or a seventh instead of a fifth. ⁓ because there's still people on the board, especially next year, that you know, so I I just I was thinking that, yeah, I think this trade was a little lopsided, but apparently there were a lot of there were a lot of teams whose medical consultants said if the rumors are about his knee are correct with how much he had to drain it and everything, they did they wanted no part of that for a first or a second to give up for this player who's north of thirty. So yeah, that's Yeah. Daniel: The reason why- Go ahead. Jonathan: An aged receiver. Yes. An aged receiver. Not Last McGeee: So that's that's where we are on that. But yeah, once once he got sent out, all of a sudden the locker room ⁓ that had been sealed quite a bit finally let a little bit out that AJ Brown's drama started with Hassan Reddick and AJ Brown were both ⁓ see in the same massage therapist. Daniel: you Jonathan: Mm. Not Last McGeee: And A.J. Brown was upset that Hassan Reddick being new to the team was ⁓ being serviced by the same special lady. And he made such a stink about it that Jalen Hurts's fiance heard about it. And since AJ Brown has a fiance Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ Jalen Hurts's wife ended up because by that time they were married, told AJ Brown's fiance. And AJ Brown burned up the whole conversation with everybody in the locker room saying he hated everybody in there and especially Reddick. And so then apparently he accused Hassan Reddick of trying to break into his car. Daniel: about the side chick. Jonathan: Yeah. Mm. Not Last McGeee: Which everyone said was kinda BS, but he made such a stink about it that they cut Reddick from the team. And that's how that's how he ended up leaving. And ⁓ yeah, there's a lot of drama there. So, you know, it it's just so fitting that he's cheating on his fiance and there was massage therapist drama and he's going to New England, where he's got a coach who was cheating on his wife. Daniel: you Not Last McGeee: And the owner who was doing stuff with the massage table. So I'm like, Hey, perfect fit for you to Jonathan: See I gotta say i i if ⁓ if Belichick was still there, he would not be bringing in Brown. This would not be happening. Just saying. Just saying. But okay. That was way too much time to spend on Brown. Okay, so Miles Garrett goes to the Los Angeles Rams. Poor Jared Verse was traded in the trade. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Also a 2027 first round pick, a 2028 second round pick, and a twenty twenty-nine third. The Eagles offered the same deal, but with Jalen Carter, and that was declined hardcore. Daniel: I heard the opposite of that. The Browns were asking for Jalen Carter, and the Eagles declined that. Yes. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, they th the Eagles declined. They said they weren't giving up Jalen Carter. Jonathan: Really? Okay. Then I wrote that in wrong. I wrote that in wrong. Okay. My apologies. I wrote that in wrong. Daniel: Yeah, they said they plan on extending Jalen Carter. He's a cornerstone of their team. They are not treating him. Jonathan: I was to think, why would they get rid of yeah. I'm thinking Jared ⁓ Jared first has been amazing too. He talented young kid. I I mean I get it. Rams are dodging the giant contracts, right? Daniel: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yes. So J Jared Verse is the Yeah. Anyway, but Jared Verse is the only person in the NFL since nineteen since ⁓ ninety nine or something like that, who ha who's run as fast as he has, benched as much as he has, and there were several other factors, other than Miles Garrett. So they're actually a pretty good Jonathan: Big time. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: comparison and for the first two years of Miles Garrett's career, Jared Verse has actually done better. But some would argue that ⁓ Jared Verse had more help on his line. So, but hi all his numbers he beats he beats almost every single one of Miles Garrett's numbers. But Miles was doing it alone, I think. Daniel: He's had better teams around him. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Well, you know, it's the Browns, so so now he's gonna go to the Browns and get a really fat paycheck instead of a Super Bowl ring and he can cry into his big stack of fucking money. So good for you, ⁓ I guess. But ⁓ Miles Barrett, that's scary, 'cause you know, that's around all the Aaron Donald talk. All the Aaron Donald talk is Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: All the era Donald talk Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: I'll leave that. That's a that's a note down link. I'll leave it. I'll leave it. So okay. Move on. We'll move on. We got a lot to Daniel: Seattle extends EDGE Derek Hall for 3 years, $42 million, up to $46.5 with incentives, and $21 million guaranteed. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Not bad. Yeah. So we we got lots of extensions for that. Daniel: keep the Super Bowl pieces around. Not Last McGeee: Yep. And next next bit of news is the same. ⁓ right now's the time of the year where ⁓ how much cap do we have left over? How do we keep our players happy? Pat Sertan. They said, You know what? You earned this extra five million dollars and just went ahead and wrote him a check. Then they also gave him an insane Jonathan: Everybody got a prize. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ So he gets another five million ⁓ if he makes the Pro Bowl or all pro selection next year, which you know he will, unl barring injury. Yeah. So so that that was that was smart. This is smart what they're doing right now. There's your baby. Jonathan: He will. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Plenty of my look at all the news. My goodness. Okay, ⁓ Pittsburgh Edge, Nick Herbig signs a four year one hundred million dollar team friendly contract. Yes, team friendly at a hundred million. That's because he's worth way more than that. and then he's only twenty four. Yeah, he's only twenty four. That that is that is the time for him to get Daniel: Yep. He's just coming into his prime, then you gotta steal. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: 25 mil. Jonathan: A fat caught he should have been making like thirty five to forty five easy a year. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, this this was a genius move on their part. Daniel: He's getting paid less than ⁓ some wide receiver 2, a lot of wide receiver 2s in the NFL right now, as a productive edge. Jonathan: Yeah. Seven and a half sacks last season. So good for him. Good for him. Pittsburgh trying to make moves and do things. Hey, when you team when players make the team friendly contracts and save money, the team can place that money elsewhere to bring in other players or make other players happy, right? Keeping other players. So it's good to do things. Not Last McGeee: And he wasn't on the field much. Yeah. Daniel: Speaking of not so team friendly, Falcons wide receiver Drake London signs 4 year $141 million extension with $100 million guaranteed at age 24. Jonathan: Way too high and I would not pay it. Daniel: It's and his fifth year. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I kind of agree. Jonathan: Yeah, I mean I really liked him. I really liked him coming in and he just hasn't produced what he should have. Especially with good quarterbacks like Kirk. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Well, he did produce last year very well with Kirk and then with Penix also, but then he got hurt. And the year before was the shadow of Kirk because he was still ⁓ recovering from his Achilles. Not Last McGeee: Well, here's Jonathan: But he did not ⁓ yeah, he did not. ⁓ I get it. I get it. So his number Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I think he's an every year top twenty receiver for the next three to four years. ⁓ possibly. Three three's more likely. But my whole thing is with the way colleges have been producing wide receivers day in, day out, every year with the draft the way they've been, as team ⁓ I would not make the investment that number one receivers are right now because I think in two years there's gonna be such a saturation. I think the those numbers are gonna come down and maybe the running back numbers will go up to meet it a little bit, and maybe the tight end numbers as well with the heavy personnel. And and so I think I any four year deal right now isn't gonna look good later on. I think if I did a two-year with a couple dead Jonathan: ⁓ it's been a massive shift, yeah. Not Last McGeee: years on the end, I would be more comfortable with that just because of how the drafts have been going with wide receivers and the trend of college and where things are going. So that's that's just my opinion. Jonathan: I think that's just an over inflated contract, so Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I got no problem with pla players getting c ⁓ paid, but that's ⁓ yeah, I just think what's worth it and what isn't. But here's some good news. ⁓ Michig Michigan head coach ⁓ was just cleared of felony stalking charges from ⁓ his ex girlfriend. ⁓ she was trying to go after him for felonies and stalking and everything, and then He was finally cleared when they found out the police were withholding evidence that exonerated him. So everything got thrown out. Jonathan: Mm. Shady. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Mm, speaking of more shady drama. Drama. It's like a TV show. ⁓ JJ McCarthy and ⁓ Kyler Murray skirting it up. Like ⁓ what's up? Don't like each other, don't want to share the job of Cook QB one. So they're gonna they're really fighting it up, right? Daniel: you Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Ugh. Well, it's one of them that's fighting it up. JJ's making a fool of himself. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Well, JJ's been making a fool of himself for a while, but I think ⁓ you know, Mario has Is he still your boy? Is he still your boy? Not Last McGeee: He has been. I have to accept that I am not good at evaluating quarterbacks. Daniel: He Hey. Not Last McGeee: I held out hope for Zach Wilson and then now JJ McCarthy. ⁓ I just gotta start looking at consensus and go, you know what, if they're not a top two, I gotta just let ⁓ go. Jonathan: Okay. Hey, you know what? And sometimes being ranked in the top two doesn't make you good either, so Daniel: You That's right. And you might have actually lucked out by Kyler Murray getting signed to Minnesota also. So you still have the quarterback for that team. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, you've got a better chance. Yeah, that's true. Jonathan: Possible. Very possible. Yeah. It is Kyler Murray and, you know, Call of Duty comes out soon, so Daniel: talking dynasty but yeah I don't know under under a Connell and with Flores in that building I think that they're gonna lock down Murray a lot more I don't know I've got higher hopes from early this year I feel like after he got injured once in Arizona they like shut him down to like 80 % of what his running capabilities would be and it just nuked the rest of his game Jonathan: ⁓ yeah, ⁓ yeah, definitely. Daniel: So I just I think that they're trying to make him play with kid gloves and I just don't that's not his game. so we'll see. He's a one year rental in Minnesota, so they just might cut him loose and let him do his thing. He might actually have a pretty successful year this year. We'll we'll see. ⁓ Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: That's true. Depending on what the draft is, I w I wouldn't be surprised if they held on to until after the draft. See what falls to them. Daniel: Or even sign them for another year contract after that, right? Giants locker room drama averted. There were some politics going on and it sounds like they all came together and had quote unquote an opportunity for growth and did a kumbaya and are saying all of the right things where some members are actually reading off of scripts and other ones are speaking from their heart. So. We'll see how that goes. And ⁓ Malik Neighbors was on video looking very unathletic during a dodgeball tournament. And ⁓ stiff knee is the issue. But yet Scataboo did a backflip. And he basically almost lost a foot last year. that's. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. ⁓ I don't want to talk about it. ⁓ he's looking pretty good. I've seen a lot of the videos that he's been posting on his social media and what he's doing and Scattaboo looks good. I really like Scataboo. But yeah, the neighbors really scares me and now I traded away Elmon Raw. So that's my key that's my WR one right there. And I'm I'm I my W R No no my I'm that's okay. Hey, it's perfect. It's like I'm not trying to tank, but I'm tanking. You know what I mean? I needed my Daniel: Not this year. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be he's gonna be your IRWR. Jonathan: Good. That's perfect. I'll I'll write ⁓ I'll write ⁓ That's cool. I'll take it. So ⁓ let's see, where are we at? Mario, take us away. If you're still with Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Okay, so the Vikings finally hire their new GM after the draft. That surprised everybody, and their draft definitely didn't blow anyone away. So Nolan Teasley comes in. He was the assistant GM of Seattle for the past two years. The past two years were very good drafts and very good off seasons for Seattle, led to a Super Bowl for them. And ⁓ Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Not Last McGeee: He got to see a rebuild happen. So he's been through the whole thick thin and pulling triggers. ⁓ he was with Seattle for ten years in the Scouting Department before making it to Assistant GM. So he's been there the whole way going through ⁓ different thick and thin and this has been a huge blow to Seattle and everyone else is saying, you know what, that's is a really solid hire for for the Vikings. Plus Daniel: you Not Last McGeee: Since his ⁓ since he's half black, he comes in as a minority hire, so they get two third round picks for having an executive who ⁓ who got hired per the Rooney rule and everything. So So they they get three they get ⁓ two third round picks. Daniel: Seattle does. Not Last McGeee: For the next two years. So yeah, that that all around works out for Vikings. Mm-hmm. Jonathan: pretty impressive. That's helpful. Yeah, that helps. Well. Daniel: and Seattle. They lose them, but they get some picks, right? Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. And next year's a good year of a draft, so third year's a nice deep draft to have a pick in, so ⁓ man. Hey, this is this Go ahead. Go ahead. I I am too, but I didn't want to interrupt Mario. If Mario was finishing something, I didn't want to ⁓ finish before I move on. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah. And if they Daniel: No, go for it. I'm cheering. I'm cheering before you see it. Woo! ⁓ We've moved on. No. Not Last McGeee: I was I was just gonna say those those two ⁓ two picks they got from him they could roll forward for a quarterback next year too if they want to move up. Jonathan: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, definitely. Two extra picks. Yep. Okay. So to the cellar race, man. Not Last McGeee: That's good fodder. Yeah, now to the celebratory news. Daniel: Russ is gone! Jonathan: So Russell Wilson has announced his retirement today. ⁓ it was glorious to see that pop on my now. Yesterday it popped that he said it was gonna be a a C a CBS analyst, so we knew that he was gonna retire, and then he retired today, which just makes it glorious news because we didn't record last night record today, so we get to use it. Yes. ⁓ man. But you know what? Now we have to listen to his ass talk. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: you Jonathan: During fucking football. So I don't know if it's really good news. Daniel: Man, not even his teammates wanted that. Come on, now you're gonna submit, now you're gonna do it to the mass populace? Jonathan: No, fuck no one wants to listen to him. Now millions of people have to listen to his fucking ass. Yeah. I say one season. One season and we won't have to listen to him. But then again, there's still like Joe Buck and Chris Collins were Chris Collins were talks out of his fucking ass. And that dude still sits there what Sunday nights in prime time. So I I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. They hey they do they had something a few years back that was like Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Ugh. Not Last McGeee: That's true. Jonathan: You could switch your commenter, but they paired certain people in such a way that it's like, I didn't want to listen to this group and I didn't want to listen to this group, so I just turned the TV down and listened to whatever the kids had on their TV. So Yeah, you do what's Not Last McGeee: Wow. Daniel: Yeah Not Last McGeee: I think unanimously though, everyone wants Greg Olson. And ⁓ no one wants no one wants to pay him though. I don't know why. He's he is the best one and Brady's gotten better. Jonathan: ⁓ yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's a bummer 'cause he's actually really good to listen to. Brady's gotten better. Romo's really good to listen to. I actually I I like listening to Romo. He's actu he's got great knowledge. He call hey, they're in this setup. Look, they're looking for the hey, they're doing this. Watch this guy down here and he circles things on there. I really like what Romo does, so I Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: I love Romo, yeah. Not Last McGeee: Almost great. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Apparently the executives told him to reel some of that in last year. So he didn't do it as much because they were thinking that it was too high brow, the education. And they got massive feedback where people are like, what happened? Like, that's what we loved about him is he's giving us the insights and the nuances of the game, you know? But the executives still don't understand that we are a much more educated football populace than we have been. Not Last McGeee: Yep. Yeah. He was he he was the per Jonathan: It's a time crunch Yeah. It's a tr it's all about time. Just quick, talk about the plane, move on. Don't teach ⁓ anything. We we don't want to entertain them or make them smarter. ⁓ my goodness. You know what I mean? Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, ⁓ all it's gonna do is give us more viewers. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Alright. ⁓ Ravens fans that have been watching the news have got to be pretty happy so far because ⁓ there's a lot of positive news coming out of Ravens camp where there's been all sorts of soft tissue injuries in the Giants camp like the Ravens used to suffer and there's one change that has happened this year and that is Harbol is in New York. Not Last McGeee: So that's Daniel: where all the injuries are happening after being accused by players in the past of being too hard during his practices. So there's something, there's something, there might be something there. And then also Harbaugh, you know, signing rickety old receivers is definitely par for the course. OBJ goes to the Giants, is reunited 12 years after he's been drafted by the Giants in 2004. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Last night I had that drop. I honestly had that drop set up. No joke, I had that set up last night. ⁓ Daniel: in. ⁓ So yeah, Harbaugh must own stock in Bengay and Tigerbomb. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Well, yeah, or you yeah. Fuck, I don't know. That's pretty bad. Yeah, well, Matt Nagy You didn't did you get into the Matt Nagy too? That's not a bonus. That's not a bonus for Groo. Matt and Nagy fucking budget. Budgets or Daniel: Where's the sponsorship? Matt Nagy has their OZ. think that is like, that is a panic. We're screwed. We don't have an offensive coordinator call the one guy nobody else called higher, right? Like that is a panic. How does Nagy keep on getting work? Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: I have no idea. He's he's doing magic tricks or he's got some assistant that has really big boobs, so Daniel: Just gotta, I mean, you gotta treat him like Adam Gase. you know, he's been shunned enough now. I mean... Jonathan: ⁓ the beehole. Good lord. No, do not talk about Adam. Gay has G he hasn't been shunned enough. That dude needs to go and stake on, so Daniel: You Well, that's what I'm saying about Nagi. It is time to give him that treatment. Bye bye. Yes. Bye bye. Sorry, you could not cut it here. Appreciate it. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: It's just time to like send him off into the sunset. Yeah, I get that. Okay. Okay. Bye boy. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, there's there's there's a time where a lot of these NFL coaches it's time to go to college and deal with all of the ⁓ NILBS and bring up the college coaches that have earned it and replace them. Jonathan: I think you're right. Daniel: you Yeah. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right, let's finish our last news out. ⁓ what a what a Daniel: Brutal. Not Last McGeee: Alright. You know what? You do this one, John. Jonathan: What a d I don't even know, like what a doozy to get into. San Francisco wide receiver Brandon Ayuk has a warrant out for his reset r arrest stemming from an alleged traffic violation that happened last year in December. ⁓ Ayuk committed a misdemeanor for exhibit of speed on December twentieth, twenty twenty-five. Now, this all stemmed not from somebody seeing him or a cop seeing what he did and then pulling him over. This dumb idiot made a video of him while he was driving around the stadium and he posted it to his IG, his Instagram, and the police saw it and said, Hey, he's doing an excessive amount of speeding, and that's in our city limits. So they went and put out an arrest warrant. I don't know if the arrest warranty It's Daniel: you I just heard about the arrest warrant. didn't hear about the rest. was just learning that in real time. ⁓ my god. Jonathan: Magic. It's magic. No one saw him. He did it. He posted it himself. And they taught him that way. How stupid are you? Yeah. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ yeah. Daniel: Yeah, I was going to say a legend San Francisco 49er Brandon Iuke, but. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah they Jonathan: Think you're right. It's a legend. He's not really gonna be there much longer. So not in the way he's playing. Okay, let's jump into our rankings. This is the first time we're doing this. We are gonna give ⁓ hey, wait. Do we want to do the listener question? We're we're at thirty minutes. Yeah, why not? We could do two seconds on it. Two seconds, two seconds will be quick, not too long, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Good luck. I know. We're gonna be like five minutes. All right. So Daniel: Yeah. Noooo Not Last McGeee: Okay. Daniel: Good luck. Yeah, let's do this. Jonathan: Marcus from Boise, Idaho, writes in, hey gods, I have a trade offer that's been given to me in my dynasty league. Who wins this trade? I'm not sure how it if I should take this or not. I am team one in the proposal. Paying picks. Very important picks, but ⁓ you know, I don't know where they sit next year because obviously the team may do well. He doesn't know if they're gonna be good picks in the top of the draft or bottom of the draft. So if they're bottom of the draft, he's paying for the players, is what he's saying. What is he saying? The team tracks ⁓ to be top. So that's what he th he thinks he'll be bottom of the draft. So we have ⁓ receiving Igbuka. You have Davis, running back from Buffalo, James Cook, running back from Buffalo. So he's trading James Cook in the handcuff, ⁓ wide receiver from Tampa Bay, and then Puka Nakua, wide receiver from the Rams, sending out Amari and Hampton, running back from the Chargers, ⁓ Chris Olave, wide receiver for from the Saints. You got a 2026, round one, pick ten, pick. So you don't know where it's going to be pick ten. That's hard to judge in pick ten. And then you have a first round twenty twenty-seven first. And another first round twenty twenty-seven first. So that's kinda pretty, ⁓ being that next year's got a really nice draft coming out. So it really depends on what the rest of the team looks like. Sadly we didn't get a lot of information on the rest of the team, so we just kinda have to guess. Daniel: Yeah, I would say just so that we can have a baseline, let's treat it like it'd be one of our, you know, like a dynasty league, like one of our leagues, right? Start three wide receiver, two running back, you know, likely super flex. Jonathan: Absolutely. Absolutely. ⁓ it does it does say that it is a ⁓ super flex. It did say that it was a PPR super flex on the top of it. So ⁓ I did get that note. Daniel: Okay. Ooh, PPR. Two. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. So for for me, I I would try to drop Igbuka and Olave from this trade. ⁓ for PPR I'd rather keep Olave. And with the Bucks, you never know how you know someone's gonna shine in the Bucks, but Alave seems like a pretty solid Jonathan: Yeah, it is P PR, so Not Last McGeee: Deal. He could be top five. All the different ⁓ receiving indexes and receiving analysts have put him real high up for next year. So I would want to remove those two and then I'd smash this trade. But see what they say first. If not, you're still getting those 2027 picks, which are fantastic, plus a back of the 2026. I'd I'd I'd still do the trade, but I'd first try to tweak it with the two receivers to remove. Jonathan: Okay. So Daniel has refash. Daniel: Given that it's the 10th pick that he's sending over for this that tells me that he's a championship team, which is a contender ⁓ So you're produced you're getting produced now Okay Jonathan: ⁓ yeah. Could be a twelve man. I think it's a twelve man. So he's the third place team is from what I yeah, I think it's a twelve man. Yeah, so I will put that out. Daniel: So he's getting produced now a handcuff and a possible flyer in the future. So you've already got a pretty solid team as it is. I would smash this trade all day. Yeah. For Hampton. Jonathan: I agree. It's you're getting some pretty you're getting some pretty nice picks. Hampton's a solid running back. Olave's really good. Daniel: You're selling out to win, right? You're a contender. You've got too many picks as it is. Get those assets for those picks and get your championship. Jonathan: Mm. You are. Yeah. It That's so he takes those and he's be yeah, I mean geez. Sitting on ham yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah. Okay. I like I I think I would smash them too. That's a pretty good trade. It's a lot to give up, but if you're sitting in a championship and you're willing to you're buying your championship is what you're doing. Okay. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Yep. Yep. It's going all in. There's no... Yep. Yep. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: That's pretty all in too. Yeah. That's pretty all in. Okay. All right. ⁓ let's start with our running back rankings. ⁓ Mario? Mario. Take us away. Not Last McGeee: All right. Sure, number one, B. John Robinson. Daniel: you Jonathan: Yeah, it's pretty consensus. It's pretty consensus. ⁓ did you struggle? Did you attempt to put some other name there as you did this? Not Last McGeee: No, the the first two picks, ⁓ I was pretty I was pretty solid on my first two. It's after it's the three and on that I was adjusting this quite a bit. But my first two, Bijan and Jameer, I think everyone has those one and two. Jonathan: I yes. Now Not Last McGeee: ⁓ yeah, but two things? Okay. Daniel: in what combination is the other, you know, a lot of people have Gibbs over Bijan. Personally, I have Bijan over Gibbs. I think Bijan's going to have a monster, monster year. Kevin Stephansie, think Nick Chubb. Think about the production of the running backs in his offenses throughout his entire coaching tenure. And he has not had a guy as talented at Bijan Robinson. He's going to be freaking sick this year. Jonathan: Si I Yes. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Agree. Agreed. I I considered putting Gibbs one but it was Bijon. It was Bijon. I even considered putting Gibbs at two at three and moving Genty to two. That was a tough one for me, ⁓ with Gibbs. Now ⁓ and number two we are Not Last McGeee: Whoa. I I consider that as well, John. Yeah, 'cause what what the Lions are doing, and I thought that David Montgomery was really solid over there. ⁓ and I I think Pacheco is gonna be better than people think over there. But Jonathan: Yeah, I And it helped. But he's no Montgomery. Not Last McGeee: But he's but he's he he can't take all the same kind of snaps that Jameer can. That's why Montgomery was such a good compliment, because they both do all the same things really well, and then Jameer just has a little more gas. And and you too. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think I think I have to. I think I have to. I think I have to move Genty to two and Jameer to three. For that very reason, because no Montgomery and you're just you can't spell Gibbs as well. So Gibbs is gonna be on the field a lot more. So he may have the ability to have a very high ceiling with all the yards and the carries he's gonna get. But there's chance of hurt, there's Not Last McGeee: Which Jonathan: There's a lot to it when you can't spell ⁓ because you don't have a good guy behind ⁓ I think the Lions offensive line doesn't look like Not Last McGeee: And and then the Lions offensive line didn't look like what it looked like before, ⁓ th since Ben Johnson left and the schemes weren't creating the holes that they were. So, John, I think I'm with you and I'm gonna drop Gibbs to number three as well and move Genty up. Because think about this one more thing with Genty, is that now you have ⁓ the the one who wrote the schemes for the ⁓ VP of the Super Bowl is now going Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah, we Not Last McGeee: to be in charge of the Raiders where all Genty's numbers were super good after he got hit. And he got hit on every freaking play. Jonathan: Well and they also went into the draft and got linemen to help what they needed was a bad offensive line last year. 'Cause Genty did all that last year with a terrible offensive line. He but they they were what, I think twenty eight or thirty in in ranking of offensive lines? ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah, they they yeah, there were thirty one I think and then it's not just like the yeah, and the the O line is also affected by scheme and opening gaps and he had no gaps. He had his own linemen blocking him. And ⁓ Yeah, so I so I I I'm yeah. So I'm I think it's a huge difference. Jonathan: Okay, so yeah. He had to make his own apps and find them, yeah. Daniel: which is why they have a new OC. Jonathan: Yep. That's that's why I think Genty can be a two. When I consider putting Genty at one to really like that dude can do it. But I I think two is a really good spot for Genty and ⁓ Gibbs goes to three. I like that. That's I think that's a that's a surround it makes me feel better. Daniel: Right. you I'm keeping Gibbs at two because I don't have Gentie at three. I actually have CMC at three, given the moves that they've made on that offense and how he's been the last few seasons. I think he's still gonna be up there. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Can he stay healthy though? He'd use that much. Another year older and just that another season accrued of three hundred touches. Three hundred and thirty touches. Daniel: He has. He yes, but the last offseason, not this year, last year he changed his entire workout regimen. He changed it. He's changed it more to pliability. He's changed it on things that are going to make his body last a lot longer. And last year was one of his healthiest seasons that he's had. And so two years with that kind of body regimen. Jonathan: ⁓ I saw the videos or It was Daniel: I mean, when he got hurt and did the whole thing in Germany and stuff like that, there are rumors that his dad was ripping him because his dad was trying to get him to do this before he did that to his body, you know, telling him that he's getting older. He can't be working out the same way. He's got to change the way that he does his things. And he didn't. And he got hurt. so that's new. Right. So so he changed all of that. So. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Nice. Daddy knew. Daddy had done been there before, so yeah. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ he he he told the media he was disappointed in his son. Daniel: So I think that, you know, CMC has made some adjustments and I don't think that he's going anywhere, especially having Mike Evans on that team to make sure that they don't have a stacked box. Like they're gonna have to double Evans every play, which means that he's gonna be running against lighter boxes than he's been running against in two years. So I just. Jonathan: I very much consider moving like I had him at three at one point. I moved him down to four just because the top three guys Bijan, Genty, Gibbs. I had to place him up above, but I I think you could be right. I think I could honestly see Gibbs drop and I could see a name like Christian McCaffrey and even Jonathan Taylor rise up above ⁓ I I don't know what I I don't know how the lions Daniel: Yeah Yeah. Possibly, depending on how that scheme goes. Not Last McGeee: So Jonathan: goes. Exactly. I think as as good as Gibbs is, the talent, you it's the question mark of what the the coordinator's gonna do, what they're gonna do with him, what's the offense gonna look like, how's the line gonna look? So yeah, there's a lot of questions around him that I honestly I I like him where he is, but I consider I consider Christian growing up at once. So but no, I have him at more. ⁓ Daniel: Yeah. you ⁓ I still believe in Dan Campbell even though they've had retirements and stuff like that. So I'm putting, I'm keeping Gibbs at two. So I got Bijan, Gibbs, McCaffrey and Genties four. So it's not, we're splitting hairs, right? Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I do too. Jonathan: We're moving yeah. ⁓ yeah. Well, I mean, look at look at Mario. I like what you did. Jonathan Taylor for see I it's a name I also consider moving up because I really like him. He's in a prime year of his career right now, and it really depends on his quarterback staying healthy and does he come back from his injury well. So there's a lot to that one. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I think ⁓ last year when Daniel Jones went out, the whole team fell out of their groove that they were in. I think I think with him starting off the season with the team all on the same page and whatever happens with Daniel Jones happens with Daniel Jones. I think the consistency of the team, if we see Jonathan Jonathan Taylor eighty percent of what he did last year, he'll be right here at number four. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Bye. Not Last McGeee: And so I so I I thought this was a safe pick. And I put CMC lower because with all those touches from last year, you have to remember that George Kill won't start the season. And ⁓ so those are gonna be rougher touches on CMC starting the season and and he's going to get that wear on his body earlier in the season. Jonathan: can see that. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, that's what scares me. Jackbox. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: And I his efficiency was dropping all year last year from beginning to end. And I think he's gonna have a lower efficiency. He's just getting older and they they that's why they were spelling him with more receiving, ⁓ which is good for fantasy, but as much as they're spamming him, I I just don't think he's gonna make all the games in the season. So I think he's gonna be great when he's out there. Jonathan: No, yeah. That's one thing. Honestly, like he could be here at four or three. He could be as low as ten or fifteen. He could be I mean, 'cause he's very good. injury takeaway injury, takeaway injury. It's it's the offense because Mario says the right. With no kittle and the receivers are mmm, they ⁓ stack the box on him and he does well. It is Christian McCaffrey. He's a pinball. Daniel: I mean, if he gets injured in game four, he's not on the list at all. But you know, that's it. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: But what's he, twenty eight now? Twenty eight now, so Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Well I I will say this, yeah, you're right. But they the off season they planned for this. And they got Mike Evans in, and they also got that kid they drafted super early, who everyone's on them for, because he's a blocking receiver. Jonathan: Love my game. Not Last McGeee: And so with Mike Evans out there stretching, if they keep getting him out there stretching out wide, that could really help even though Kittle's not out there. But that's why I brought him up from where I origin originally had him. Yeah, but I still think five is safe. Jonathan: Pirate dam, it's just gonna look pretty damn good. ⁓ yeah. But Evans requires that help on the other side. We've we've seen as a buck, we've seen this with when Evans doesn't have that counter on the other side, he's not as effective. He requires someone on the other side that is the counter. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: And as long as he can stay healthy, ricapirisol is a great number two. Jonathan: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, very mu very so. But he doesn't that that kid does not stay healthy at all, so Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Correct. So I do believe, mean, we're also again, splitting hairs, right? I've got Jonathan Taylor at six ⁓ and you've got him at five, you know, and you know, some here who I have at five is the outlier in comparison to the two of you guys is I actually have Saquon Barkley at five. Not Last McGeee: Okay. Jonathan: Five. So five. Yeah. You know, that Mario's before. Not Last McGeee: The ⁓ Jonathan: You do way higher than both of us. Both of us. You o you do now honestly? Daniel: you Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Daniel: AJ Brown gone? Jonathan: It's gonna be more touches to him. It's the second year of his three year contract. He's in the middle of it. I just don't see him going crazy and ham like he did two seasons ago. I don't see that two thousand yard year coming from him. Daniel: It's- Three tight ends set. I don't see the 2000 yard year either, but I see like a 1600 yard year, you know? I see Bijan being the thousand thousand guy at least or 1500 thousand guy this year. I think Bijan is that guy this year. Saquon I think is the 1600 yard guy. Jonathan: No, I know, I know, I know, but I ⁓ man, I don't know. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: I know Barkley can do it. I just don't know if the offense is gonna pull that this year. I see things changing and I I I don't know. Not Last McGeee: I I think the offense is gonna be a little more spread. And then I thought about how the other teams in the division improved. And the teams within the division improved on their edges. And on the edges is where Barkley does his magic. The Giants had their whole interior line of their D line implode, but that's not where Barkley does his magic. So I thought, you know, w with Jonathan: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Sonny with Sonny Styles and then you've got th then you've got ⁓ what's his name going to Dallas as the safety also over there. Downs. I'm I'm like I'm like those gaps are gonna be plugged and he's that's six of his games in the season. And so I think that's gonna drop some of those games on him. and I think Daniel: Thanks. Jonathan: Pounds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: The Eagles are gonna spread it a little more. Nothing on Sequan. I just look at what's changing for the other c running backs in the league and what changed for him. And that's how I adjusted where I think they'll do more yards and he'll do a little less. That's that's all. Jonathan: I got him more in the twelve to thirteen hundred yards. Yeah, I don't have him in the sixteen hundreds like that. I just don't see it. So I had him a lot lower. For me, he's down at number nine. So Yeah, he's down way down there. No, it is a very spicy tank. Well, I mean, I've got Chase Brown way higher than both of you. You guys both are dead even at nine on him, and he's my number he's my number six. So I just honestly Daniel: It's my spicy take apparently Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: That offense ha like they've got Chase, they've got Higgins, they've got Brown. This is what they have. That defense doesn't have much. These are what's funneling your offense and you need to use them and they're gonna get used. And if Burrow can stay healthy, they're gonna get used. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. no. Daniel: He's a every other year guy, right? So this is going to be his healthy year. Not Last McGeee: Yes. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. This will be the it that's I figure. As long as he stays healthy. Now if he doesn't stay healthy this changes. Chase Brown drops fucking fifteen or so and there's another name here, so Not Last McGeee: I Daniel: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. No, I I I see seven, eight, nine on my rankings all almost exactly the same. Kenneth Gainwell, Kenneth Walker, and Chase Brown, all those guys break off for some great runs. They're all really talented, and I think they're all gonna be y seven, eight, nine is the same. Whatever their touches, whatever their yards, I think it's completely interchangeable and I think James Cook is ahead above them because of touchdowns. He Daniel: That's right. Mm-hmm. Not Last McGeee: We didn't see his touchdowns fall off for the past two years. I think he his touchdowns put him above this group. Jonathan: Yeah. No, I I I shoved my foot in my mouth. I didn't think he'd do well and that man has kept he did it two years in a row. So I have him right here at number seven. You guys seven and six. We are consensus vr w he's there, right in the middle of our d I think he's doing well. I think ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: If it feels good, I was a James Cooke truther from the very beginning and he is on my dynasty team, so yes! Jonathan: Yeah, good for you. I was not Yeah, I I was not. Yeah, you did well. I mean throw. Not Last McGeee: You have. I was the Chase Brown truther and you were the ⁓ James Cook truther. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. They're both doing pretty well. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: So ⁓ let's see. We end there on James Cook at seven. ⁓ Mario you have Kenneth Gainwell at seven you mentioned. ⁓ Daniel: ⁓ yeah, I'd to see this one too. Not Last McGeee: I do. With all the news with Bucky coming in, and I think all of Bucky's stuff is mental. He's really afraid of getting hit. And it's he's got he's got a lot going on where he needs to get through therapy. The team's really supportive of him. They were last year. They still got him back on the field. This year his shoulders still not right. I think it's just not sitting right with him, and that's that's okay. Maybe he needs more time or whatever, but it's still for fantasy, I don't trust it. So Kenneth Gainwell with his Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: productive as he was and in there in all the ways that help fantasy. I see him being the lead and then Sean Tucker coming in and I put Gainwell ⁓ because of the schemes being the the Jonathan: You like Tucker, yeah. No, honestly, it's a really solid pick. I did I put I I didn't put Bucky anywhere on my list because of all the news. I didn't even think Gainwell and where to put him. He's not even sitting on mine or Daniel's list. So solid pick, Mario. You're you're the outlier here. that is your spicy take. ⁓ number eight, ⁓ Amari and Hampton for me. Daniel pairing with Amari and Hampton. I like it. We do it. ⁓ but Daniel: Mm-hmm. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: That's your spicy take. Not Last McGeee: That is my spice to take, yeah. Daniel: you Jonathan: You have him at eleven, Mario. So Not Last McGeee: I do. I do. Jonathan: Okay. Not far off. Not far off. You have Kenneth Walker in the eight spot. You have Kenneth Walker in the eighth spot. So ⁓ where I think, let's see. I've got him at twelve. Daniel, you have him at eleven. So we were, we were. Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Daniel: You and I were actually pretty close on this list, John. was looking at it earlier today and I was laughing about it. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, and I didn't tinker too much with the bottom of my list so much where I did the top of it. Now I did ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: I will I I will I will take that back because I did I kept moving one name on and off and it would like, okay, but you need to be on this list. Who's gonna come off this list? And I'm like, Well you shouldn't be here. Well no, you should be here, but I ⁓ yeah, I was doing a bunch of that, so ⁓ it it was. Daniel: Yeah. You Not Last McGeee: It was it was so hard. When when I started on this, I had Hampton up in my top five. And then I was like, he just kept falling. But the more I kept looking at yardage. Yeah. And and with with who the Chargers have drafted and Mike McDaniels' team, very high ceiling. Jonathan: Y you know 'cause there's games that deserve to be there. Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. He has a high ceiling. He has a very high ceiling. If the offensive line stays healthy, absolutely. There's a lot of factors in play, but and we like their offensive we like their offensive coordinator. Yes, Mike McDaniels, we really like the offensive coordinator. We're all excited to see it. I want to s I think he could be a top five running back, but realistically, you know, I think eleven eleven to twelve hundred I Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: see him sitting here with like six to eight touchdowns, that's why I put him at eight. So ⁓ Daniel: Yeah, back end RB1. I think that's ⁓ a good median expectation of what he can do this year. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah. I think I think Achan benefited from Tua's limit limitations and McDaniels really, really pushed on certain buttons to make things easier for Tua. And ⁓ Tua I think Tua's actually a solid, solid one of the best at what he does quarterback. But ⁓ I think you can you can do so much more with Herbert. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. I struggled with playing HM. I know what he does quarterback. What, run into a wall and get get a get a concussion? What are you talking about? Not Last McGeee: That he that he doesn't have to hit that easy button every time. So I think Hampton's numbers will be eighty percent or seventy percent what Achan's were, just because Herbert can do more. But that's just a theory. Jonathan: Achan I know a lot of people have him rank higher. I could not put him high on my list. I put him at eleven. I just see I wanted I almost I almost see there's the name on my list that I kept putting down going, God, you should be here and he kept falling down my list and I wanted to put other names there. And that's the name I want to take off and move a couple other things there because ⁓ Jonathan Brooks Not Last McGeee: He's not on my list. Daniel: Yeah, he's not even on Mario's top 16. Jonathan: I like you got ⁓ at sixteen. I think I should slide ⁓ there at sixteen, bump up Cam, bump up Jeremiah Love, push up every hall. Like these are names that should be on the list. I think Not Last McGeee: Yeah, with with with the pedigree and the offensive scheme, Jonathan Brooks should be no lower than number eight. And I completely forgot about him to put him on the list, but there you go. Daniel: Well, let's. Jonathan: I'm gonna take him off. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna take him off. Daniel: Yeah, that's I think that well, let's just read off because we skipped over we've been around here number Well, well John's editing his list John at number nine has say Kwan Barkley at number nine Mario and I both have chase Brown who we have previously talked about and ⁓ At number ten. I happen to have Devon H. Han. ⁓ I have him lower to back end RB one Jonathan: Well we'll go back. Yeah, we're we are. Daniel: I don't disagree with some of the things that John and Mario were saying, but I think he's just going to be a volume guy this year. The offense is going to run through him. They paid him like it. He's not going to be as efficient, but he's going to have more touches than he's ever had in his career. And so I faded him, but I didn't fade him out. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I'm Jonathan: ⁓ they're gonna hand him the ball. But he's gonna have probably the most stacked boxes because they have no good receivers to throw to and a shit quarterback to throw the ball. So it's stacked the box against the running back. He's gonna get touches like crazy and touches matter. Daniel: Mm-hmm. He's gonna break a couple of those. He's so fast in the way that he moves, he just ruins people's angles. Not Last McGeee: Yes, but Jonathan: Yeah. Absolutely. Not Last McGeee: He's He's so good guys, but you gotta remember he's small too. And Mike McDaniels created space which kept him from getting hurt because remember when he first joined, he got hurt immediately. And then Mike McDaniels is really bright. I don't give everyone in the league the same amount of Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Not Last McGeee: Credit. And so I for me, I left A Chan off because I think he's their only real weapon. He got paid and he's or you know, I I just I think he's gonna get hurt and ⁓ 'cause he's what do you do when there's no one else who everyone else is learning? ⁓ yeah. That's what I considered. Jonathan: It was Overused. Yeah. Yeah, yep, yep, yeah. That's why I just removed him off my list. I'm not even sure I can have him there because it was a name that like he was up at six for me. And I'm like, Your talent, your your usage, the numbers, you're gonna have three hundred touches. And for me, you guys know when a running back gets that many touches, that's somebody you go after because he's gonna be phenomenal. But at the same sense, that's all that they got. He's not gonna be like I just don't see Miami being good. They're gonna be a top Daniel: you you Jonathan: A bottom three team in my opinion. A top three traffic. So it's a top three draft pick. So Not Last McGeee: Yep, there you go, Daniel. Daniel: I mean, I can't have John Reed and him higher than me. That's all I gotta say. Jonathan: ⁓ I'm like what you did. I love it. shit. Now I wanna put ⁓ in I wanna do what you did. man. It's a competition. It's a competition. See I I'm gonna do something. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah Not Last McGeee: I told you I'd I'd have him ranked eight, but I forgot to put him on the list at all. Daniel: funny. No, so we'll go to 10 here. John's got Derrick Henry listed as number 10. Mario's got Saint-Quan Barkley listed at number 10. And I have moved up Jonathan Brooks to number 10. I am high on him this year in that scheme and everything else. He's finally coming back healthy. And yesterday, Dave Canales came out waxing poetic. Jonathan: I literally. I did do eleven eleven. It's Carolina. Hell yeah, dude. Daniel: about him and he has never lied whenever he talks high on a running back. And so ⁓ when he talks high on Rashad White, he was RB7 that year. That's Rashad White, right? And so he was high on Hubbard. Look what he did. And the thing is, is basically if you take the best parts of Rashad White and the best parts of Hubbard, Jonathan: ⁓ no. We like we like Canalis. That was Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Daniel: That is what Jonathan Brooks' game would reflect of what he did in college. Jonathan: Yeah. And I think it's finally time we get to see him because he's been injured. He's come back from his injury and now it's a year out of the injury. We get to really see him this year. So yeah, I'm ready to see Jonathan Brooks in that really good offense. I hope ⁓ Bryce takes a step forward. They look a little better. They built around him. I mean, fuck, they went out and got offensive line, they went out and got receivers, they did what they needed. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Yep, I. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. And Hu Hubbard's efficiency dropped despite all the all the improvements too. Daniel: bad. Yeah, it was not good. But I mean, Carolina's offense runs through the running back. And so I'm like, let's go Jonathan Brooks wheels up. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, it's spread around. Spread the love, so Not Last McGeee: Yep. Jonathan: Eleven. I got him eleven. I moved him there eleven. I like it. I can't put him against I can't put him ahead of Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry's still a stud. In December that dude's gonna run over everybody. So ⁓ Daniel: Yeah I've got, ⁓ Kenneth Walker at 11 and Mario's got Hampton at 11. Jonathan: Yeah, see, that's kinda low. But hey, I mean it's ⁓ we all have opinions. ⁓ Kyron Williams. It's at twelve for me. You have Kyron at thirteen, where you have Brees Hall at twelve, Daniel. And then you have Brees Hall at twelve as well, and Kyron Williams at thirteen, where I have Brees Hall at fourteen. So I'm a little lower on Brees Hall than you guys. ⁓ I think it just stems from Daniel: I do. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: some of the knee injuries, sharing some of these injuries with some of these kids. I look at it and go, fuck, I had some of these things. I know what you feel. You're not coming back the same way you are. You're not the same person. So And I mean he's very talented, but yeah, it's New York. And then you run it on that field. That field sucks the run on. Someone's getting hurt on it. Probably him. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I hear that. Daniel: And then you got Kyron Williams at 11. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I Jonathan: Who has it? Who's eleven? Daniel: I'm sorry at 12. You got Kyron Williams at 12. You're the highest on Williams. Jonathan: I am, I am. I put ⁓ at twelve. I just that o I I'm a little high on the Rams offense with what the you know, they're bump up they're bumping up their defense or strengthening on the other side of the ball, and the offense is gonna play really well. But I think it's just gonna be a lot of really quick plays to get right back to the defense on the field. You know what I mean? It's get the offense off the field fast. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I just I think they're sharing touches. Daniel: I think they're going to work in core more. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I let Corey's command. Jonathan: I hope so, but we haven't seen that yet. Yeah, we haven't seen that yet. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ he he did la if you look at the splits toward the end of the season last year, Corins moved up. And he was doing forty to sixty percent there. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, okay. ⁓ Daniel: Yep, and he was way more efficient with his touches. Yep, he was more efficient with his touches and the rams run off of analytics. They're going to see that. They're going to give him more touches this year. Jonathan: Yeah. All right, Jets, we're at an hour and we still haven't even touched our we're not even done with the running backs and we gotta go. Yeah, we gotta go. We gotta go. Okay. ⁓ Walker. See Daniel: Yeah, we're almost there. All right. 13. John's got Kenith Walker. Mario and I both have Kyron Williams. Jonathan: I I honestly like here's another name. I wanted to move him a little further down. I'm not sure I have so much faith in Kenneth Walker. ⁓ I just he's there on the list because of the team that he sits on currently. That's really what it comes down to. recall for for me, you have ⁓ John Judkin. Daniel: Nice. And then you said Breeze Hall is at 14 for you. And Mario's got Skatskat at 14. Jonathan: Can't see coming back strong scan scataboo. But he is the highest on scataboo. He is out of all of us. He he started the scataboo love in the group. It spread to me. I have him at sixteen. I think he will come back nice and strong. I'm loving the backflips on the field and the things he's doing. Don't do it. Don't hurt yourself, but you look good. You we you're healed. We can see this. But please don't hurt yourself. Not Last McGeee: Yep. Daniel: skits. Yeah, I'm a little bit lower. I'm always gonna shy away from those guys that are coming back from a major injury the first year that they come back. We'll see that the tight ends portion of things of a player that I'm particularly low on compared to everybody else. And so 14, I have Quincheon Judkins. Rounds. Jonathan: Yeah. Good name, good name. I don't have him on my list. Yeah. Don't have a brown that high. Yeah, don't have a brown that high. I put Scott at sixteen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where he has you have him at fourteen. Okay, so Dan ⁓ Mario's got ⁓ Quinchon Juckins at fifteen. You have fifteen is Derrick Henry. ⁓ which you didn't have Derrick Henry at all, Mario. Yeah, and I had him up at ten, just 'cause it's Derrick Henry, dude. He's a fucking Daniel: You put Scataboo on there. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yes. I do. Daniel: I do. Not on your list at all. Not Last McGeee: I I dropped ten links to my list. Jonathan: You can't break him out of the top ten, I think. I think going any lower than that was just criminal. So ⁓ I have Jeremiah Love sitting at fifteen, giving the r the rookie some love. I'm giving the rookie some love here. We're ⁓ you got Derrick Henry, you have Queen Jukins, I got Cam Scadaboot 16, Devin Achane, and then Jonathan Brooks. You put Jonathan Brooks Mario and Daniel: You Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I'm gonna suffer for that one. I I had Javante Williams there. Jonathan: capping out. Yeah, I saw you put Brooks on your list. He wasn't there originally, so good for you. Good for you. Spread the love. Yeah, we s we did it. You and me moving up quick up our list. He's like quick, I gotta do it too. Daniel: Hey. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I I forgot him, so I he I I told you he Daniel: Yeah Jonathan: I see what you guys did there. All right. So Not Last McGeee: He'd he'd be their number eight for me, interchangeable with that group. Daniel: That was my spicy take at 16, nobody else had that on the list. Come on. Jonathan: That was okay, that was a name that was originally there, but I popped him off because I put a chane back, I put Kenneth Walker back on. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. ⁓ tight ends. Tight ends. Mario, your favorite position. You are the king of the tight ends. We've always said this. You'll rock like three at a time. Not Last McGeee: No, I I forgot. That was real bad on me. Daniel: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: I love the tight end. Jonathan: Okay, so did anybody have anybody else at number one? Just gotta ask. Yeah, we were pretty consensus with this one. It's straight, no questions asked. Brock Bowers. There's no one else. He's he's just amazing. ⁓ Okay, alright. I like it. I like it. ⁓ boys, I see what you did. You moved Colston Loveland up to number two. Holy moly. See, I like that. And I kinda want Not Last McGeee: So yeah. Yep. Yes, I did. Jonathan: that I kinda wanna do that too. I kinda wanna do that too because the you know it's just I really have a high love of Chicago. It's it's my wife's team. Come on, I gotta have a little love there. But I have a big high on Caleb Williams where I know a lot of people are not so high on Caleb Williams. I like him. I didn't like him at first. I actually really did not like him at first. Daniel: Yeah high on it too. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ yeah. Jonathan: But the more I looked into him, the more I watched, the more I really liked him. Everyone picks on the nails. That's the thing about his mom. I have no problem with that. I love it. You know what? It's a good story. ⁓ got the bad cover. That's a little bit of news blur we didn't throw in earlier. Good for you. Congratulations. The first Chicago bear. First Indiana bear to reach on the cover. Well, he was Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Indiana brrrr Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: He was doing the cold I like that how Iceman. Mark's like, why is he doing the Wakanda? 'Cause Chas is like, It's 'cause it's fucking cold, man. What are you doing? I like that. ⁓ you know, you've convinced me. Colston Loveland, we're gonna be consensus for our first two picks. Daniel: Exactly. That's they call them, Iceman. It's perfect. Come on. Indiana Burrs, led by the Iceman. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I I told Daniel, I think Daniel: I think that the way that the offense is structured, he's just going to have a good year. Jonathan: I like it. No, I think you're right. It's a really good pick. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: I've got some trade feelers out, depending on where those go, Mario might end up with some trade offers in his inbox on that one. Jonathan: I'm gonna give it again. ⁓ huh. That's funny. ⁓ all right. So Brock Bowers number one, Colston Loveland number two, all across the board. Number three, we fur we finally differ. Daniel, you and me are Tyler Warren. This is who I had. I had Tyler Warren at number two, but I had to flip flop up with Colson. Tyler Warren's gonna have a phenomenal that is like really good tight end. ⁓ he came out just after Colston Loveland in the draft, went to the Colts. What a great offense, but again died off after Daniel Chones got injured. But Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Hopefully comes back, plays a little better, has a better second year. I'm with you. Mario, Harold Fannon at number three. Bringing in the Browns in the top five. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I have Tyler Warren down at number six. And that's that's not a knock on Tyler Warren. It's actually me believing in Downs in that offense. And so that's all. I just think Downs is gonna soak up more targets in a similar area. And Tyler Warren, I think, is gonna have some really awesome games, and I think he's gonna consistently score pretty well for a tight end. ⁓ but I think Daniel: ⁓ huh. Jonathan: Okay. Not Last McGeee: A lot of the offenses are going more tight end heavy, so I just think the opportunities for the other guys I put above him are a little higher. ⁓ historically though, I think he'd rank around a tight end three or four. Jonathan: Mm no. Okay. Okay. I mean Tyler Warren is a good kid, but you got Harold Van in there and put a brown up in the top five. Okay. I you know, w you and me, Daniel, we damn we're so look at this. We're pretty close for our top six. Yeah, we're really we're doing well. Just it's not a shock to me, honestly. This is not a shock in how we rake people and what we have the way we think. So ⁓ usually when we draft we're we're stealing we're stealing people. So ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: I I'd love to see that. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah, we're lockstep. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Jonathan: Trey McBride is number four. Both me and Daniel have him here. You have Tucker Kraft. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: I do. Tuckercraft's numbers were phenomenal last year till he got hurt. And there are gonna be less targets. Jonathan: Solid big. Solid big. I had him hire. Daniel: That's the only reason. Yeah. Go ahead. Jonathan: I I had him higher, but there was ⁓ these other names here and I like you just said about Harold Fannon, you had to move him up and Tyler Warren was good, but there was other names that are better above him. I I felt the exact same way. ⁓ I felt the exact same way here. So I had to I had to put other names and I moved craft down. Kraft sits at fourteen. I am the lowest on craft out of all of us. ⁓ no, I know you're you're not Daniel: you not by much. He's at 12 on me. He's just coming off of an ACL. mean, doesn't just players, players just, he would be in my top five, but he's coming back from an ACL. Jonathan: You're not far. Yeah, you're twelve. But four. Four for Mario. But hey, Mario's the tight end whisperer. Not Last McGeee: ⁓ yeah. Jonathan: If he wasn't injured. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have a rule. I know. You have these the hey, you get burned when you take a player and you're I really like this guy, but you're like, dang, he was injured. He didn't he didn't have that good year. It's because he was working his way back from injury. They didn't push him, whatever the case. Yep, yep, yep. ⁓ number five, Harold Fannon. This is where you and me both have him sitting. And Mario, Kyle Pitts. Where we have Kyle Pitts at number six. Not Last McGeee: Right. I do. I have Kyle Pitts there. Jonathan: Number six. So we're actually really not far off with Kyle Pitts. We both we both yeah, we're we're really close. We think Kyle Pitts gonna have a really good year. He has a really high ceiling. ⁓ I mean he's finally doing what he was drafted to do. It's the fancy knows how to Yeah. This is what we think. And running backs, man, he knows how to handle the interior of the field, right? So yeah. That's see that's where I think Daniel: We're all pretty close. Not Last McGeee: To fancy's there. Daniel: Stefanski and tight ends. Yes! London might be the odd man out on that one, but we'll see how that goes. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: He was overpaid, and I don't think he, yep. I have him ranked a little lower in my wide. We'll get to the wide receiver, and I I have him way lower. So ⁓ okay, Kyle Pitts. Dallas Goddard. Again, Mar ⁓ Daniel, Dallas Goddard, number seven. We're pairing. We're pairing. ⁓ Trey McBride for Mario. This is where you have Trey McBride. You dropped him this year. He's not gonna be. Not Last McGeee: And Dallas Goddard I did not put on my list. Daniel: Ooh. Was that I forgot him or? Jonathan: Dw ⁓ Not Last McGeee: And that that is because they have I put Eli Stowers in because the rookies don't block as well as the veterans. Dallas Goddard is gonna be a better blocker and they've got more pass catchers to distribute the ball with. So if if a tight end catches pass, it's gonna be Stours. Jonathan: Well look, he got Eli Stewart's right here. Well, it depends on the rookie, you know. ⁓ I I I I'm blanking on the tight end name the the other kid that was drafted ahead of Stowers. Sadiq. Sadiq went to New York. Sadiq is a much better blocker, really good all around tight end, where Stours is ⁓ the he's more like the X receiver kind of player out on the side, plays field. ⁓ really good, but does not block. He's not good at blocking. Daniel: Sadiq? Not Last McGeee: Yeah, Sadiq. Yeah. They they they called him Colston Loveland Light. Daniel: He's a giant wide receiver. Yeah, he's a giant wide receiver. Jonathan: Yeah. No, I like that. That's I say that's ⁓ that's a spicy take right here, putting him at twelve. But anyway, we're we'll get okay. So ⁓ Don Schultz Don Schultz at eight. Yeah, you have him in you have him at eight. I God, I had him I had him at ten or eleven on my list and I actually kicked him off of my list to move up Daniel: We'll get there. Dalton Schultz 7. ⁓ no, sorry. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: That's where I made. ⁓ Jonathan: Dalton Kincaid. He was actually they were it was the Daltons right next to each other, eleven and twelve. But I moved George Kittle up, I moved Mar Mark Andrews, Tuckercraft. I even put Travis Kelsey on the bottom of my list. But it was Branton Strange. I had to I like I don't even think you guys have him on your list. Mario, you do. You totally do. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I see that. Jonathan: Yeah, okay. So let's ⁓ we'll get to it. Sam Laporta, you I have him at number eight, you have Dalton Schultz and Mark Andrews. You're the highest on Mark Andrews out of all of us. Not by much, but you're definitely the highest on him. And you you doubled down because I I saw you got Isaiah Likely at eleven. That's crazy. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: Likely's in New York now? Not Last McGeee: I likely is in New York. So he's a veteran pass catcher among that whole group. ⁓ don't know how healthy OBJ's gonna be. Don't know how Braxton Barrios may take a little bit from that. the former tight end that they have was really good. But yeah, I think I think Isaiah Likely's gonna absorb targets where they need pass catchers. Jonathan: Yes. Daniel: Totally unhealthy neighbors Jonathan: Wow, I'm a little shocked. I'm looking, I'm reading the bottoms of both our li I didn't read either of your guys' list as I typed in mine INC and I'm seeing them now, and I'm a little like taken aback. Okay. ⁓ I I've kind of just crazy. Let's number nine. ⁓ Mar D Daniel, you this is where you have Sam Laporta, where I add him at number eight. ⁓ you don't even have Sam Laporta on your list of top sixteen, Mario. Just blows my mind. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. I don't. Jonathan: Absolutely blows my mind. ⁓ but you at nine have Greg Dulcich. Not Last McGeee: I know. In Miami. Jonathan: Yep, yep, yep, yep. You have Greg Dulcich, which neither of us even have him on our top sixteen list here. So another spicy take. ⁓ absolutely. Spicy take, I think. This was a r it was a really big spicy take. Honestly, I think there were the last few years were a little low on tight end. They've been getting a little better. It was rough two seasons ago where there was barren and tight end just like Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: It's a good volume play. you Jonathan: You were getting sixes. You were getting nothing out of your tight ends, and that was like n the the tight end ones. And there was only one guy doing well, and then everybody else sucked. So they are stepping up. They are playing a lot better. There are teams that are playing the ⁓ 12 personnel. They're playing two tight ends on the floor. So it's helping out. ⁓ Hunter Henry at number ten for me. I ranked him I think I'm the highest on Hunter Henry. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yes. Daniel: He's not on my list. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Even on you which mar Daniel blows my mind. This is where I say it kinda blows my mind 'cause you're you're high on Drake May and Drake May really liked Hunter Henry, so that was a good connection. Daniel: you He's got AJ Brown there. He's high on Hunter Henry because Hunter Henry was the best receiver on that team. Now he's got AJ Brown. Not Last McGeee: Well, he's got DJ Brown now. Jonathan: And three. Yeah, you think AJ Brown's just ⁓ stepping in? No, come on, let's be honest. Let's be honest. Okay. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: I think a motivated A.J. Brown is the difference that we will see between him and the Eagles. I still think he's got it. I just think he wasn't motivated. I think he checked out. I think he bit into the drama. I think he had baby mama drama and it affected himself on the field. Now he's got a clean slate. He's going to have one, maybe two good years in New England before his drama starts to Jonathan: That's good. got paid and he's checked out already. He's Not Last McGeee: There'll be career years. Yeah. ⁓ Daniel: starts to rip shit apart. Jonathan: This is this is where I'm gonna make a joke 'cause I'm gonna say he's gonna have like one or maybe two good weeks. Daniel: Yeah! Jonathan: I like I just don't have faith in AJ Brown as much as you do. I never yeah, I never had well not even the get not even the getting hurt. I just don't think he's gonna show up as much as you guys think. I I'm not as high on him. I never have been high on him throughout his career. ⁓ I I I think it's a cash grab. He's getting his money. I don't think he's gonna it's the s it's the Chris Johnson. I got paid and it's well you know you know what I mean? Not Last McGeee: gonna pull an Aaron Rodgers. Daniel: Well, we got to save that for the receivers. Let's stick with the tight ends right now. Jonathan: Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. My apologies. My apologies. Okay. number eleven. That brings us number eleven. ⁓ no, ten. No, ten. We were finishing through ten. Mark Andrews. I did Hunter Henry. You did Mark Andrews. ⁓ Daniel and Chig. You have Chig Ocon Oconqua. I was gonna butcher that name. Thank you. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Chickaquanqua. Daniel: Conqueror. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. It doesn't look like Zack Ertz is coming back to Washington and so he's filling he's filling the role. And Zach Ertz was doing solid there at his age where Chig's a lot younger and Yeah, he he's shown he can do it in Tennessee, but the whole team was falling apart. Jonathan: I'm not even on my list. Yes. Breaks my heart. Daniel: Washington. Jonathan: Yeah, ⁓ breaks my heart, ⁓ that Zach Hertz may not be coming back to Washington. Yeah, I was Yeah. Daniel: he might not be coming back, he might be retiring. And they deliberately signed Chikokwanko and told him that he is gonna be a focal point of their offense when they signed him. So, you know, until they drafted a wide receiver, he was basically wide receiver two on that team. But he's gonna be wide receiver two maybe still because they got a second round rookie, but how's he doing, you know? Not Last McGeee: So Chig's a volume plate, just the same as Greg Dulcich. They're both capable and they're gonna get volume. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Dang, I don't wanna redo my tight end list. That's that's a really good that's a good point because with Ertz out and Ertz was a huge he was up on this list. Like he carried a lot of my team last year. He was good. He was really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's really Daniel: Yep. They got Antonio Williams in the draft in the second round as a wide receiver, but, you know, everybody going with more tight end sets. That means that instead of three wide receivers and one tight end, it's going to be two wide receivers and two tight ends at a minimum for the league. So you're still going to have three pass catchers on the field. It's just that one of those options, one of those top three options in these offenses is going to be a tight end. Not Last McGeee: That that's exactly my thought. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: and Chigga Gwonkwu, it's perfect for his skill set. And that's why Mario has Stowers on this list because it's perfect for Stowers' skill set too. Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, no, it is, and that's a really good point. Towers towers is a good throw on the list. I just at the bottom of this list I see names that should be here and I can't I don't know if I could bring one off of the list. Maybe Brenton, but like I can't take Tucker Croft off the list. Mark Andrew's gonna have a year. Yeah, this was tough. This was super tough to do. So let's see. Not Last McGeee: This this was tough. It was which might be good for fantasy. Jonathan: ⁓ no, i I think exact I think it's a different perspective of looking at things. So ⁓ number eleven, Dalton Kincaid. I think I think he's gonna have a good year. I think Josh Allen's always a stud. He's gonna be quarterback one. So we're looking at Dalton Kincaid. You have Chig sitting here, ⁓ Daniel, and this is where eleven is Isaiah likely for you because of New York and you don't know how things are gonna go, Mario. You mentioned this already. Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: So very nice. ⁓ let's jump number twelve. I have George Kittle here. You know, great blocker, one of the best blockers of tight ends in the league right now. ⁓ but they don't have a I mean, it's Mike Evans, and then I think it's it's it's it's George Kittle. Not Last McGeee: Well, he's I don't know how long he's gonna be out for the season. Jonathan: I know he's not gonna start the season. I know he's not gonna start the season off. Yeah. I I that's why he's a little lower on that's why he's a little lower on my list. Yeah, that's why he's a little lower Not Last McGeee: That's all. He's phenomenal. I just don't know when he's making it in. Daniel: I love George Kittle, but again, injury. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: He's always injured, you're right. He's always injured. So Daniel: Well, he's coming off of an injury. He didn't finish last season. He had to have off season surgery again. So that's why. So. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: No Mm. Which pushes your timetable back. Yep. Absolutely. Not Last McGeee: Yeah, I almost put Tongus up because of that. I was gonna have him around like nine. Jonathan: This I'm gonna put you know what? Screw it. That's a good point. I'm gonna put chig right here. Daniel: Yeah. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Here you go. Yeah. Daniel: This is where I have Tucker Kraft. Jonathan: Number 12. I'm putting Chig O'Conkara. Yeah, that's a good point. So I'll take I'm gonna take him off. Because you're right. He is always injured. He's coming back off injury. He's not gonna start the season. Probably not gonna come back to like week four or week six. If that if even later. So Yeah, you're right. Okay, okay, okay. 12. I put Chig. You got Tuckercraft, and this is where Eli Stour sits for you, Mario. Solid pick. I just can't kick anybody off my list. Daniel: ⁓ I would love that. Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, I that is a you I bet you would. That was a good draft pick. ⁓ thirteen. Mark Andrews. Still doing his thing. This is where ⁓ you have him at ten. I have him at thirteen. I you don't even have him at all, Mario. ⁓ wait, I'm sorry. I scrolled down. I apologize. You were the highest on him. Yeah, I spoke on that. let's see. I'm rushing. I apologize. Not Last McGeee: Ha ha ha. Daniel: still doing his thing. Mario's got him at eight. Yeah, we're all, Not Last McGeee: ⁓ I've got ⁓ at eight. Mm. I'm the highest on him. Yeah. New offensive coordinator. Daniel: So 13 I have Dalton Kinkade where you have him at 11, and this is where Mario's got Hunter Henry. Jonathan: Yeah. I have not Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yes, and he has Dalton Kincaid down at sixteen. So now, ooh, you have Hunter Henry at thirteen. Good pick, good pick. ⁓ thirteen, let's see, you have Dalton Kincaid, I got Mark Andrews, Tucker Kraft at fourteen, Jake Ferguson. So I'm a little higher on Jake Ferguson. You got him you have a fourteen. Not Last McGeee: Is it raining? Yeah. Okay, it's gonna come right. Go ahead. Daniel: He didn't even make Mario's list. Jonathan: No, he didn't. It's amazing. I you know, it makes you wonder because Mario really is the tight end whisperer. It makes you wonder if I messing things up, am I fucking up over Not Last McGeee: No, he did not. Daniel: He's... You know, Jake Ferguson's very touchdown dependent. It's so much, so touchdown dependent. But the problem is, is like, they didn't really change much in that offense. Like really nothing has changed. So he was a tight end one last year. So even if there's a bit of a touch ground regression, Jonathan: It's Dak. I don't like Dak. It's all Dak. Yeah, it's all Dak. Not Last McGeee: It is. Jonathan: No. They didn't do a damn thing. No. It's all gonna be win last year. Run it back. Run it back. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Daniel: finishing as Titan 14 with touchdown regression. That's definitely a feasible... They didn't change anything! Not Last McGeee: Stop. Jonathan: Ele yeah, a thousand eleven hundred yards. Yeah. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: My my my reasoning is that it's Pickens' second year with the team. So I think they eased Pickens in toward the beginning of the year and when Ferguson racked up more of his touchdowns were when CD were out was out. So I think Ferguson's gonna be a solid flex, but I think more tight ends are gonna score this year because of the sets that the coaches are changing to. Jonathan: We listen to that rain. Not Last McGeee: And I I just left him off the list. He's just a little lower for me. Jonathan: Yeah it's not bad. You you have some good names on your bottom of your list where you we had Jake Ferguson, ⁓ Daniel's Jake Ferguson, I had Tucker Graf, you have Brenton Strange. So solid pick where Daniel, you don't even have Brenton Strange on your list. I had him at sixteen. And then to round up my list at fifteen I had Travis Kelsey, you had T J Hawkinson, ⁓ Mario, Dalton Schultz. ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Daniel: I'm the only one with Hawkinson on my list. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yes. Jonathan: You are and I you I I saw that. It makes me question, but also he's another one that gets injured a lot. ⁓ so there's some question marks with him, but I do when when healthy he is when healthy he is a stud. Kyler Murray is gonna throw to a tight end because he can't throw any further because he's short and small and can't see over the offensive line or Daniel: you Tyler Murray Not Last McGeee: ⁓ but but that tight end will get zero touchdowns. Daniel: That's why he's 15. Historically, Kyler Murray loves his tight ends. They're always producing well whenever he plays. That's why he's talkisoned and slipped up. He's coming off of his first healthy offseason he's had in quite some time. I think he's going to have a spike year. Jonathan: Yeah. ⁓ ⁓ that's why Minnesota's gonna be like pick four in the draft, so Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: It does in Yeah. And when Hawkins is healthy, he's fucking phenomenal. He really is on it. Yep. ⁓ let's see. You had Hawkinson, Mario, you had Dalton Schultz there, and then Brenton Strange, Travis Kelsey, Daniel, and Dalton Kincaid. You round out your bottom of yours. awesome. What a great list. That was so much fun and a little stressful. A little stressful, I must say. It's just really hard to really Daniel: Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: I wanna place this list and make sure I'm doing it right. I'll see if I can copy this list and post it to our website because we do have the website. I'll see if I could post this there, ⁓ if anybody wants to see it. ⁓ I will post it to our ⁓ social media platforms, Facebook, ⁓ Instagram. I'll I'll post them around. ⁓ so anyway, that's our first episode of Ranking. Not Last McGeee: Derek Henry's gonna blow me up. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Who is this guy? Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Right. I'm gonna tag everybody. Don't worry, I'll just tag teams and I'll tag players. Not Last McGeee: Ha ha. Daniel: hahahaha Jonathan: We'll see we'll see what goes on and who gets reactions from this. But ⁓ you know, tune in next week. We're jumping into our quarterback and wide receivers. It's gonna be a big episode next week. So it should be a lot of fun. ⁓ and hopefully we have a lot of time to spend on it 'cause it's quarterbacks and wide receivers. So it's gonna fun. So Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Not Last McGeee: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Right into the show if you have any questions, ffwc23 at gmail.com. Check us out at any of our ⁓ social medias, Instagram, ⁓ I forget the handle. I'm sorry, I just made it the other day. At war underscore fantasy ⁓ for X. ⁓ and ⁓ we're on our YouTube. So rate review, comment, subscribe, help us out. We're growing our podcast and it really helps us out when you guys do these things. So we really appreciate it. ⁓ again, thanks for listening. If you're still listening, you're amazing. And ⁓ Not Last McGeee: Yeah. Jonathan: Stay vigilant, right? Keep marching. Just fucking do your thing. Yeah. Just kill it. Abs ⁓ yeah, yeah. I d I don't even know. We had so many t I don't even wanna know. I don't know what can you mention. I don't want to get in trouble. Please don't tag me. Don't come at me. Don't come at me. Don't be angry. Daniel: Stay vigilant. Keep conquering. Tag Howie Roseman for Mario's Eli Stowers take. And my Saquon take, apparently. Not Last McGeee: Yeah. ⁓ man. I'm I'm like I'm I'm like Derrick Henry's gonna be top ten. I just don't know where. And then we went to sixteen and I'm like I just don't know where. I with the with the changes to the offense. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: I yeah I I can't I couldn't I couldn't do it. Yeah. No, I like that we had it at ten and then we moved to twelve and then we moved to sixteen. And I'm like, should we keep going? No, sixteen's enough. We gotta stop somewhere, right? Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It was a lot of fun though. So all right, well, ⁓ thanks for marching with us and as always Daniel: Yeah. Keep conquering.