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Normally Podcast: CBS News' Bait and Switch · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to normally the show with normalish
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  Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Catherine
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  Speaker 1: Ham and I'm Carol Markoit all's going, Carol, Can I
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  Speaker 1: tell you that I was just bumped from TV, which
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  Speaker 1: is why my makeup if you're watching the video version
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  Speaker 1: looks pretty good. But I was bumped for Governor DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: and Kandy Rice.
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  Speaker 2: So if you have to be bumped for somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'll allow it. I'll allow it.
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  Speaker 2: So my governor's been doing a great job. Actually we
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  Speaker 2: know we'll get into that later on the show, but wow,
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  Speaker 2: really impressive.
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  Speaker 1: He is an impressive guy. But first up, we have
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  Speaker 1: some we have some problems to diagnose over at CBS.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on, Carol?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we were kind of saying that Kamala's
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  Speaker 2: interview with sixty Minutes wasn't a complete disaster. She had
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  Speaker 2: a moment that went viral where she kind of had
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  Speaker 2: a word salad that people didn't really understand what she
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  Speaker 2: was saying. Okay, but in general, I think she was
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  Speaker 2: getting praise for going on an outlet that was somewhat
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  Speaker 2: serious for one serious interview of the week, But then
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  Speaker 2: that clip that's been going viral. CBS went ahead and
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  Speaker 2: altered it in their YouTube channel, and so now we
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  Speaker 2: have this let's play the clip.
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  Speaker 3: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyah who is not listening.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted
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  Speaker 4: in a number of movements in that region by Israel
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  Speaker 4: that were very much prompted by or a result of
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  Speaker 4: many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen
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  Speaker 4: in the region.
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  Speaker 5: But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyah who is not listening.
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for
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  Speaker 4: the United States to be clear about where we stand
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  Speaker 4: on the need for this war to end.
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  Speaker 2: Not the same, not the same. And it really says
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  Speaker 2: something about what they think of her. They think that
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  Speaker 2: she can't do it on her own, and they need
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  Speaker 2: to help her. I think that we've gotten to where
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  Speaker 2: that's become a negative for her. This help of her
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  Speaker 2: by the media is not helping her. The moderators at
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  Speaker 2: the debates stepping in and trying to assist her ended
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  Speaker 2: up backfiring. I think Trump is now polling higher than
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  Speaker 2: he was before that. It's a real problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is they released a preview clip
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  Speaker 1: of her answer, and then that didn't match the answer
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  Speaker 1: that's in the aired TV version, which obviously more people
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  Speaker 1: see because it's on TV. There's another allegation that the
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  Speaker 1: transcript is different from the preview clip. So whichever one's
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  Speaker 1: the right clip, one of them was altered. And that's
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  Speaker 1: a problem because that is unethical. If you are moving
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  Speaker 1: around people's answers in an interview, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: doing it to help them or doing it to hurt them,
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  Speaker 1: either one is unethical. Then someone needs to speak up
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  Speaker 1: about that. And I think Bill Whitaker did a very
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  Speaker 1: nice job with the interview and is being undercut by
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  Speaker 1: these shenanigans. Not only shows what they think of Kamala Harris,
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  Speaker 1: but what they think of their audience. That's which is
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  Speaker 1: that they're not treating you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't think CBS would ever do such
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Would they marry Catherine Well?
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  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, they are dealing with a serious ethical problem quite
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  Speaker 1: openly over at CBS. But it's not this one. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's a full CBS revolt going on in some Struggle
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  Speaker 1: sessions right now because on an episode of a morning
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  Speaker 1: show on CBS an anchor asked author Tony Heasey Coates,
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  Speaker 1: who's an Atlantic writer. Liberal guy wrote a book called
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  Speaker 1: The Message, which is four essays where he's sort of
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Friedman's himself around the world to different locales and
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  Speaker 1: then tells you comes down from the mountain and tells
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  Speaker 1: you what he's learned. One of the places he went
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  Speaker 1: was the West Bank. So he does a long essay
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  Speaker 1: that's very short on any mentions of Israel's enemies or
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  Speaker 1: any threats to the Jewish people, to almost a ludicrous degree.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got this book out. He goes on CBS
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  Speaker 1: and Tony Dcopil, who I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly,
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  Speaker 1: asks him some tough questions about the thesis of this essay,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we have about a minute clip of
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  Speaker 1: the two going back and forth about this.
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  Speaker 5: It has worked for a long time. Very talented, smart guy.
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  Speaker 5: Leave out so much? Why leave out that Israel is
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  Speaker 5: surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it? Why leave
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  Speaker 5: out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to
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  Speaker 5: eliminate it? Why not detail anything of the first and
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  Speaker 5: the second INTI five of the cafe bombings, the bus bombings,
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  Speaker 5: the little kids blown to bits, And is it because
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  Speaker 5: you just don't believe that Israel in any condition has
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  Speaker 5: a right to exist.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would say, in the perspective that you just outlined,
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  Speaker 3: there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.
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  Speaker 3: That's the first thing I would say. I am most
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  Speaker 3: concerned always with those who don't have a voice, with
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  Speaker 3: those who don't have the ability to talk. I have
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  Speaker 3: asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is a single network,
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  Speaker 3: mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian American bureau chief
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  Speaker 3: or correspondent who actually has a voice to articulate their
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  Speaker 3: part of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, it's not a perspective.
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  Speaker 2: What you know, Dakoopel's is saying is fact. Those are facts.
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  Speaker 2: Those are things that have happened, And you could take
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  Speaker 2: issue with a lot of things, but you can't take
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  Speaker 2: issue with the fact that those are facts. And you
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  Speaker 2: know what's interesting is this whole thing that's happening. It's
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  Speaker 2: a very twenty twenty vibes, right like this used to
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  Speaker 2: happen all the time. Somebody would get in trouble for
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  Speaker 2: something entirely normal, and the crowd would jump on it
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  Speaker 2: and it would become a huge story. Happen in a
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  Speaker 2: number of ways at the New York Times. People, we've
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  Speaker 2: moved past that crazy moment. In fact, I think Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris's whole campaign is like, don't look over there, It's
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  Speaker 2: all fine now. But CBS is showing that they absolutely haven't.
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  Speaker 2: Major corporations are still in the grip of this woke mania.
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  Speaker 2: So this below average thinker can't be criticized because how
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  Speaker 2: dare you? He's on the right team, I wanted to say,
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  Speaker 2: the Free Press reports quote. Originally, CBS News had invited
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  Speaker 2: a self described mental health expert, DEI strategist and trauma
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  Speaker 2: trainer named doctor Donald Grant to moderate a conversation on
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  Speaker 2: the issue in an all staff meeting on Tuesday. That
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  Speaker 2: plan was scrapped after old social media posts from doctor
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  Speaker 2: Grant's surface, including one where he referred to South Carolina
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  Speaker 2: Senator Tim Scott as Uncle Tim, a reference to Uncle Tom,
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  Speaker 2: and another of him describing a possible second Trump term
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  Speaker 2: as magacide and the death of a nation. End quote.
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  Speaker 2: They thought that would be a good idea, bringing this
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  Speaker 2: guy in to smooth things over. I mean it's very
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: It is. And just to be clear, because our normal
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  Speaker 1: audience might not be catching the fact that this is
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  Speaker 1: a revolt over what you just heard. The CBS corporate
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  Speaker 1: structure a news organization cannot handle the idea that Tony
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  Speaker 1: asked Tahanisi several hard questions that I don't care which
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  Speaker 1: side of the issue you are on or whether you
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  Speaker 1: agree with either one of them. This is not a
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  Speaker 1: reason for multiple meetings, for therapy, for any discussion of trauma.
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  Speaker 1: No trauma occurred. Did you hear the interview? It's just
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  Speaker 1: an interview. I have had it with the baby people
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  Speaker 1: who actually they're not even baby people. What they are
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  Speaker 1: is people who've realized that this racket works, and we
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  Speaker 1: should stop letting it work. The people inside this organization
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  Speaker 1: who are causing meetings where they are yelling and several
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  Speaker 1: people are in tears. According to the Free Press, adults.
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  Speaker 2: There are adults, adults and tears over that. Over that
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  Speaker 2: like minor difficult interview. I mean, you know what else
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  Speaker 2: I want to say is that you and I have
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  Speaker 2: both written books. I would have loved oh go on
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  Speaker 2: the substance of my book on CBS. I would have
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  Speaker 2: loved that. Bring me on, let's argue about it. Let's
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  Speaker 2: go be as negative as you want to be, because
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  Speaker 2: I would be ready to defend it. And the fact
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  Speaker 2: that he is so not ready to defend it really
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  Speaker 2: says what kind of interviews he thought he was going
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  Speaker 2: to get. He's like this golden child. I've always thought
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  Speaker 2: he was mid as hell, but you know, and now
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  Speaker 2: there's evidence of that.
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  Speaker 1: I said the same thing. It's like anyone who's written
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  Speaker 1: a book, or who knows someone who's written a book,
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  Speaker 1: who knows that to get a morning show, lengthy interview
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  Speaker 1: broadcast about your book is like you've made it, man,
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  Speaker 1: And this guy is getting the most elite book rollout
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  Speaker 1: of all time. And yet he's pictured on the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times story reporting about this, of course, following the
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  Speaker 1: Free press in this sort of like pensive pose, as
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  Speaker 1: if we're supposed to think about his suffering. He did
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  Speaker 1: broadcast network interview. It's great, this is good, right exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but this is it's worthy of this much. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're several days into this story, and.
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  Speaker 2: Good good, let's be several days into the story. From
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  Speaker 2: my perspective, let's keep the story going because they deserve
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  Speaker 2: all of the shots and criticism that they're getting. This
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  Speaker 2: is a joke. This network is a joke. These two
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  Speaker 2: examples where they edit out Kamala Harris's comments to make
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  Speaker 2: it seem better than it was. And now this this
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  Speaker 2: codees thing. I mean, it's it just is not even close.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And I want to note Meg mccardial brought to
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  Speaker 1: my attention a great side by side because some of
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  Speaker 1: the people's arguments is, hey, it's a morning show. It's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be nice and fluffy and affirming. Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: is not the case always. And also you should be allowed,
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  Speaker 1: you should be able to defend your thesis regardless, She
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  Speaker 1: points out. Do you remember that Gail King lectured the
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  Speaker 1: father of an eight year old taken into Gaza while
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  Speaker 1: she was still captive, I believe, telling him he needed
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  Speaker 1: to worry about the deaths of the children. I that
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  Speaker 1: was the same show, guys, the same anchors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah not light, not nice and light no.
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  Speaker 1: No, but he didn't have like a mid book to sell.
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  Speaker 1: He just had a daughter in captivity.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Oh wild scene over there at CBS.
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  Speaker 1: Someone rescue Tony met him out of there.
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  Speaker 2: He's gone to the free press, right, I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: know that that's where this ends up. Right. The free
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  Speaker 2: press is like the home of the canceled liberal and
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  Speaker 2: eventually we'll read all about it there.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Whittaker, Tony, come on down, come over, I think freely.
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  Speaker 1: But can I say they have a whole race and
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  Speaker 1: cultured division at CBS apparently, and they didn't talk with
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  Speaker 1: Tony Dakopole about this and examined his body language during
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  Speaker 1: the interview and his tone, so they have actual thought
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  Speaker 1: police right inside the corporate structure of CBS. I would
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  Speaker 1: just like to say that I will never want to
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  Speaker 1: be successful in this industry to the point that I
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  Speaker 1: am willing to submit to that.
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  Speaker 2: I that is just Mary kil your body language was
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  Speaker 2: off with that interview.
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  Speaker 1: How many times did I move my shoulders? And what
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  Speaker 1: does it mean about my inherent bias.
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  Speaker 2: Wild? And you know, I just will finish it up with.
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  Speaker 2: Coats admits that this book is not meant to be
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  Speaker 2: a treatise on the entirety of the conflict between the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians and Israelis, which good because it's not.
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  Speaker 6: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: Coats also one more thing said in a podcast that
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  Speaker 1: basically he did think it was like commandeered by Tony Ducobel,
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  Speaker 1: and that he didn't do Gail and the other anchor
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  Speaker 1: any favors and didn't do them a service. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Gail needs our help right in anyway. But he
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  Speaker 1: also said that Gail behind the scenes flagged questions she
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  Speaker 1: was going to ask him uh huh and told him
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  Speaker 1: about ly is an ethical violation once again, just asking
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  Speaker 1: hard questions.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Apparently she had let him know what she was
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  Speaker 2: going to ask and she didn't get to ask those questions.
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  Speaker 2: And how dare CBS do this to him?
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  Speaker 1: Oh Man, Gail and Tanahasey, that's the true victims of
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  Speaker 1: this story. Well, they should be embarrassed, but they're not.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move on to something else one could be embarrassed about,
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  Speaker 1: and that is Kamala Harris's attack on Governor DeSantis while
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  Speaker 1: a Category five hurricane was bearing down on him. I
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  Speaker 1: wrote about this for OutKick today because it really made
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  Speaker 1: me mad, and I think that the fact that it
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  Speaker 1: ended badly for her, which we will explain, is good
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  Speaker 1: because it will deter narcissistic politicians in the future making
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  Speaker 1: hurricanes about themselves. Because it's not great. It's not great.
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  Speaker 1: So what she did was At some point, NBC reported
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  Speaker 1: something about Adsanta's aide saying that they were dodging Kamala
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  Speaker 1: Harris calls, okay, a missed call while someone's working on
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  Speaker 1: a Category five hurricane is not a national news story. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it just means someone's working. Kamala Harris, asked about it, says,
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  Speaker 1: this is irresponsible and selfish.
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  Speaker 2: To not answer her call.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, it's a her call. That's after. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: DeSantis had already categorically denied that this happened. It was
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  Speaker 1: just like I've been talking to Biden. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what they're talking about about. Yeah, I've been working on Florida,
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  Speaker 1: and it became a bit of a national flare up
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  Speaker 1: and sort of the pieces resistance to burying Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 1: on this is that Biden himself spoke up and actually,
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  Speaker 1: let's play a clip of him answering reporter questions.
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  Speaker 6: The governor of Florida has been cooperative. He says he's
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  Speaker 6: gotten all that he needs. I talked to him again
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  Speaker 6: yesterday and I said, I said, no, you're doing a
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  Speaker 6: great job. Is being all being done?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 6: We thank you for it. And I literally gave my
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  Speaker 6: personal phone number to call, So I don't know. There
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  Speaker 6: was a rough start in some places, but every governor,
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  Speaker 6: every governor from Florida to North Carolina has been fully
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  Speaker 6: cooperative and supportive and acknowledged what this team is doing.
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  Speaker 6: And they're doing an incredible job.
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  Speaker 1: Carol. You know, the kill shot is DeSantis has my
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  Speaker 1: personal number.
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  Speaker 2: It's so good, it's you know, it definitely is playing
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  Speaker 2: into the theory that Joe Biden is trying to have
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris lose. I don't know. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's true or he's just you know, kind of out
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  Speaker 2: of it and doesn't know what he's supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: saying and he's just saying whatever he wants at this point.
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  Speaker 2: But I enjoyed that very much. And why would the
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  Speaker 2: governor of Florida be talking to Kamala Harris like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: DeSantis made this point, but we've had lots of storms.
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  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has never called him. Suddenly she's like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: I want in on the pictures for this one, and
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  Speaker 2: that's what this is all about.
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  Speaker 1: No, she's mad that he won't let her cosplay president
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  Speaker 1: and I just want to say, because I've been watching
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  Speaker 1: DeSantis's press conferences and the reason this ticked me off
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  Speaker 1: is because we don't have a lot of public servants
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  Speaker 1: who are really good and demonstrate that they're really good
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  Speaker 1: at this kind of thing, partly because this kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing is extremely hard to do. So went back to
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  Speaker 1: back hurricanes a bit of a Desanta's press conference this morning,
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  Speaker 1: and every time he did a media hit about this
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  Speaker 1: political nonsense, he front loaded it with all of this
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  Speaker 1: because he's doing storm messaging. He went through specific numbers
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  Speaker 1: of linemen coming to the state, shelters for pets, shelters
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  Speaker 1: for disabled people, shelters for people in general, two hundred
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  Speaker 1: k spots evacuating hospitals, dipper removal, VA nursing homes and
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  Speaker 1: how they would be treated and families could stay there,
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  Speaker 1: out of state law enforcement coming to town on star
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  Speaker 1: Uber and starlink, and their offerings to hurricane victims. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that was like seven minutes of watching him.
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  Speaker 2: The competency. I just love it so much.
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  Speaker 1: I like things that work, other things that work, and
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  Speaker 1: Kamala is not working on this issue, and Desantas is
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  Speaker 1: working on it, and disasters will be disasters. By definition,
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  Speaker 1: bad things will happen, but the people who are making
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  Speaker 1: the prep work happen. Let them do their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's exactly it. I think that it was handled,
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  Speaker 2: you know, beautifully by Dessante's I think that the Biden
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  Speaker 2: comments are icing on that cake. And uh, how much
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  Speaker 2: should stay out of this? It's not good for her either. Again,
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  Speaker 2: find something to talk about that you know about, find
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  Speaker 2: something that really resonates with you. But it's a campaign
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  Speaker 2: about nothing, and it shows in everything that she talks about.
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  Speaker 2: She's not a hurricane expert, she's not, you know, even
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  Speaker 2: a logistics expert. She has never been a governor. She
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know what this is like, you know, stick to
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  Speaker 2: what you know, and I think that would be better
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  Speaker 2: for her.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. And even if what you know is, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, attacking the person you're actually running against, Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's good for a campaign. To your point about
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  Speaker 1: the campaign being about nothing, can we can we play
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  Speaker 1: this clip from the view yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than
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  Speaker 4: President by in during the.
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  Speaker 1: Past four years?
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  Speaker 4: There is not a thing that comes to mind in
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  Speaker 4: terms of and I've been a part of most of
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  Speaker 4: the decisions that have had impact.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, nothing nothing comes to mind. Huh okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: if that's what you're going with, that's you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: already an ad Yeah. Did she have any ideas on
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  Speaker 2: what those things could be? I just feel like it's
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  Speaker 2: the you made this comment last episode. But she goes
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  Speaker 2: to the deck in her head, and I think that
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  Speaker 2: deck was empty. I don't think she had anything here.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, oh no, don it forgot to fill this.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think we've gone beyond the
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  Speaker 1: deck problem, right, which is you go to the cards
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  Speaker 1: in your head and you answer a question with whatever
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: is there. If there's nothing there, you're you have a
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  Speaker 1: larger problem.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I truly am sort of mystified that when asked what
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: would you do differently, she looks at the ceiling tiles
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: as if they will deliver her and then says, not
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: only is there nothing to change, but I was deeply involved.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: In the decision. But that impact only the ones that
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: had impact, Mary Catherine. The ones that didn't have impact
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a part of those. She's running as a change agent.
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  Speaker 1: Carol, Right, it's time for change now. There are gracious
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: ways to answer that question. I argument from some is
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to throw them under the bus.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, she already threw them off the ticket, so
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much more damage you're going to do, Like, okay, fine,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: but there are ways to do that. She hasn't thought
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of them, yep.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And she hasn't brought any daylight between her and the
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Biden administration outside of saying she's going to be different? Well,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: how are you going to be different? And she just
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: hasn't done the work, as the people say. She has
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: not done the work well.
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  Speaker 1: And she had another chance to answer on Colbert last
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: night and still came up with nothing. She just said,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not Joe Biden, and I'm also not Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And also not Donald Trump.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: That's literally what she said. And I guess, you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: truly for some voters that will be enough, right, But those.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Writers are already in her camp. Who is she appealing
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  Speaker 2: to with that? Who is she appealing to with I'm
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump. I have
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to say, actually, I think that it might even be
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: better for her at this point to say that, to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: say something warm about Biden to really kind of get
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: his voters, the ones who were going to vote Biden
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: but are not going to vote for Kamala Harris and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: those people exist to bring them over. But instead she's like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump. Like, okay,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you're also not staying Colbert, also not married Catherine Ham.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: There's a long list of people who you're not. Tell
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: us who you.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Are, lady, you are. Yes, that's a good point, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that's what voters keep asking for.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: back with normally, So in case you missed it, Kamala
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Harris's husband is in a bit of a pickle. He
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: is accused of forcibly slapping an ex girlfriend. She's apparently
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: told friends at the time this happened. And then there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: a new story out that he was hiring models for
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: executive assistants roles and he is kind of grouse.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I think the first story we had about
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Doug eam Hoff that cut against his role as remaker
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of masculinity standards under the future Harris administration, which is
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: how he sort of touted in media. The first story was,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: remember the idea that he left his first wife because
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he had impregnated the nanny, as you do, and then
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they got a divorce. So that's not great for the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: masculinity lecturing, and they didn't they had to confirm that
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that was real. And then this story breaks. This is
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail reporting of out the slap. It is corroborated
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: by several people who said they told that she told
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: them at the time that this happened. The slap happened
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in public at can Film Festival or calm excuse me. Yes, yes,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: one of these friends was on the phone with her
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: after it happened, getting the report from her. She's not
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a named person, but they have photos and hotel receipts
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that shows these guys were in the place that her
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: friends claim this happened at the time, so there's some
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: evidence here. And then he's named in a twenty nineteen
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: lawsuit for his boorish and crappy behavior around the office,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: like crating comments, including hiring people who maybe don't have
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the qualifications for certain jobs, for favoring attractive female assistants
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and paralegals, that kind of thing, all the sort of
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: thing that during the Me too era we were told
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was very important and that we should all be talking
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: about them regardless of evidence.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Right of course. And you know the thing is, this
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even be that big a deal, or it would
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: still be a big deal in the wake of ME two,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: But it wouldn't be as big a deal if the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: media didn't try to sell him as the new man,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: the new man who would never flirt with the secretary,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the new man who stands by his woman, the new
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: man who is comfortable in his masculinity. They try to
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: shape him as something he very much isn't, Donald Trump
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: said yesterday. They were saying, he's like a symbol for
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: all men all over the world. If that were me,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: it would be the greatest story in the last five years.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Completely true, it would be. It would be the biggest
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: story of all time. But the reason this should be
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a bigger story and so far is not is because
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Doug m Hoff is not the guy that they have
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: been pretending that he is. That's a giant problem. When
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: he's the guy also running a lot of things for
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: his wife's campaign. He's the voice to the Jewish people,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: he's the liaison. If he didn't have such a central role,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure this would matter as much, but he does,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: so it should matter. And the fact that it's not
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: a bigger story, does it tell what side the media
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: is on?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm constantly told and I'm sure you are
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: as well, that you know I need to take these
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: things very seriously and that I need to make sure
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that I'm consistent about my values, right, And I would
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: just say that I am. I actually have a rubric
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: from the me Too era when I had to comment
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: on these things publicly, where I just have like a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: couple of things that what makes this qualify is something
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that I should be giving weight too. I know a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: lot of journalists didn't bother doing that, but I did.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And it was like, Okay, are there contemporaneous reports, is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: their physical evidence that these people were in the same
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: place at the same time, is there anm and is
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: there a named accuser? And in a couple of the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: dug Imhoff stories, you have like two to three of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: four that are checked off, So that, in my book
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: is something that rises to something we can comment about.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And I apply that to Donald Trump's transgressions as well, right,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Like I can weigh the evidence and talk about these
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: things publicly but it seems to me that our friends
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: on the left watch a man of the left do
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: this and just go that's fine.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Right exactly, They give him a pass. And of course
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Kamala is also known for going after Brett Kavanaugh pretty
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: hard where there was.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: A zero evidence and by the way, countervailing evidence right right.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: One of the accusers of the Brett Kavanaugh thing, I'll
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: just never get over it, the one that was featured
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in the New Yorker, does not even accuse him of anything.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: She's like, I think it was him, Like maybe potentially
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: something happened to me, and I think he did it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And there's no accusation at all. So a little different
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: than what's going on here. It's unfortunate that women who
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: are on the left or associated with men on the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: left don't get believed nearly as red as women who
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: accuse men on the right.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we love one standard. One standard would be great.
• 26:07
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