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Club 520 - Stephen Jackson on NBA Finals win with Spurs, CRAZY NBA stories, starting All The Smoke · Club 520 Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The volume.
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  Speaker 2: All right, man, we're back another one for episode of
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  Speaker 2: The Club five twenty podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm the house. My name is DJ.
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  Speaker 2: Well's special special guests in the building. To my left,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna introduce my man's last one. To my far left,
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  Speaker 2: we got my dog.
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  Speaker 4: They should be hearing out the pear LEAs how you
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  Speaker 4: was nasty.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to it.
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  Speaker 4: I know you always keep your feet proper. Now he
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  Speaker 4: showing out to that, and you know what.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, he's not playing. He ain't playing with him today,
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  Speaker 1: but normally he and the black forces with the white license.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: You from p A T.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, when you see the black forces down there with that.
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  Speaker 1: Means we don't really do The Black forces is the
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  Speaker 1: bad thug niggas and the white forces the pretty boys like,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do that. It's either in you or it's not.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, regardless what you got on.
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  Speaker 1: But the forces I wasn't as big as air Max
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  Speaker 1: where I'm from, we used to wear the ax.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, ninety five, that was big.
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  Speaker 1: The force wasn't this big coming up in pa Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all black ninety fives.
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  Speaker 3: Or is that straight? And he called him ninety five. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: especially the rebels.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yuh tell me right, my dog, you're not show
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  Speaker 5: young tig how you are man chilling bro hype man.
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  Speaker 5: We got somebody in here that's kind of like an
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  Speaker 5: inspiration us. He started the pile, they got the pore started,
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  Speaker 5: They rolling got their whole. They taking over everything, all
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  Speaker 5: the smoke productions everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: So it's hape to have somebody in here.
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  Speaker 5: That we kind of look up to in the podcast
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  Speaker 5: and with Joe and Gilly and all those too, So
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  Speaker 5: it's gonna be a good show for.
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  Speaker 2: Us for show listen, you know, as a patience, Man,
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  Speaker 2: I'm locked in but waiting for this episode man for
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  Speaker 2: Shore come time, boy.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I can't wait till we get to it.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, man, we got a ba hip, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: all the smoke him and Max showed the way for
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  Speaker 2: this podcast game man, we got stack Jack and the
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  Speaker 2: billing Steve Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciate you putting big.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me man, and good y'all y'all
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  Speaker 1: flowers too. Y'all y'all created a nice show and made
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  Speaker 1: a lot of way in a short time. Every time
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  Speaker 1: I look on social media, I see something from y'all
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  Speaker 1: show trending, So that mean y'all doing something right. So Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm honest to be on y'all show man.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely, Man, appreciate you to like you said, Man, I
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  Speaker 2: love podcasting, man, especially in the sports situation.
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  Speaker 4: All the smoke knuckle heads.
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  Speaker 2: Like y'all was the ones right there, you know, to
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  Speaker 2: help pave the white for us to be in the situation. Man,
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  Speaker 2: So shout out to y'all man for being trail bases
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  Speaker 2: in the Man. We gotta start off with a question, man, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying. We talked about the force.
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  Speaker 4: You and Jordan brad athlete your chairs for so solution.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the threes and fours guy. Yeah, threes and fours
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  Speaker 1: is my ship, you know. They it's just the most
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  Speaker 1: comfortable one. And actually, you know when I that's what
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  Speaker 1: I played in. I played in threes and four. So
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  Speaker 1: that's just my go to I rock the ones now
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  Speaker 1: because you know that's the most. That's the shoot. They
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  Speaker 1: sent us the most. We have every one. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they might not send all the flaship, but they gonna
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  Speaker 1: send you every Jordan's one you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But for the most part, threes and fours, Soure.
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  Speaker 4: We know you was hooping in the protegees and you
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  Speaker 4: got to the to the joord.
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  Speaker 1: But look at you. I played them ship. Let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you what's about the protegee Shout out, shout, don't
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  Speaker 1: shout out at the same time, Bro, every quarter of
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  Speaker 1: the game. If you want to know what moves I
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  Speaker 1: made on the court, all you had to do is
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  Speaker 1: look because the black ship from the shoes. Then each
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  Speaker 1: quarter I'm tearing a hole in each paradog. I played
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  Speaker 1: no shoes for like six months. After that. I had
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  Speaker 1: bone spurs in my foot for three years fucking with
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  Speaker 1: them protegees, trying to be lawyer in my homeboy. We
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  Speaker 1: made a little bread off of it, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, I'm telling it wasn't worth it. Go through the
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  Speaker 2: crazy shoe wrikings. We're gonna put in the protegee. We
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  Speaker 2: never got put in the Starberris.
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  Speaker 1: They made by the same people them gave out the plug.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so I didn't know that. No, Steph did it.
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  Speaker 1: He gave a flooded like Jake. I think we could
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  Speaker 1: do it too it. Let's try it, hey, and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't work. That's how the dope game works.
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  Speaker 3: I ain't know.
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  Speaker 1: Subber was a plug that changed a lot. Now step
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  Speaker 1: but step Ate. Steph made some good money and he's
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  Speaker 1: still making good money. He just started Xavier threes for
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  Speaker 1: a son in China to it. They're doing pretty good
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  Speaker 1: as well. Shout the stuff man, shout the step that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Were talking about the Triple Bes that nobody got their shoes.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, they was us still waiting on them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on my Triple Be. The ball that
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  Speaker 1: ship was way better than Page. I'm sorry. Nothing was
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  Speaker 1: wanting them protoge unless she went some sketches out there.
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  Speaker 1: They were in schedules. Now he was trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a deal with it. They were like in the were
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  Speaker 1: lock in with me. They got they got Joel and
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  Speaker 1: bid though they straight and niggas with anything.
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  Speaker 3: Now they're paying. Yeah, they're paying niggas around and.
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  Speaker 1: Stagging and staggering. We talked about going viral, and one
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  Speaker 1: time I said something about Michael Jackson. Everybody killed me.
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  Speaker 5: I said, Drake seeing just as good as Michael something
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  Speaker 5: like that. That ain't what I meant.
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  Speaker 3: It was a long night.
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  Speaker 1: It was long week, it was a long night, so
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  Speaker 1: it came it came out wrong though, But you was
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  Speaker 1: all like you were crazy, like this nigga, crazy nigga
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  Speaker 1: say anything. Man you had, you had went crazy. He
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  Speaker 1: d m me Michael Jackson songs for like the whole day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I was just drunk, bro, Like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, It's funny because it's funny and I do
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  Speaker 1: remember that now, but it's funny because people are people.
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  Speaker 1: Do really compare Chris Brown and Drake to Michael Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: Like as far as starts and starts starting, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I would be I would say this,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Brown is by far the closest thing to Michael Ja. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And if you had to
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  Speaker 1: have a Michael in hip hop, Yeah, I was wild
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  Speaker 1: and I always admit I want to be Drake.
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  Speaker 6: I'll step in now. See see you just talking about stardom.
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  Speaker 6: That liquor was kicking his ass. He's talking about vocally. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 6: I didn't want you to tap back in, but you
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  Speaker 6: tap back in. But y'all, y'all went in because you
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  Speaker 6: dre shot us cool and Dre. I'm big on music,
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  Speaker 6: roll up music too, but I'm tapped in with y'all.
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean, background and body at work.
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  Speaker 6: But they said something that you was right. It just
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  Speaker 6: I made my nay dms go crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I was just tripped. I was just like, so cool
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  Speaker 1: and Dre send me the acapella and everything.
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  Speaker 3: You know, really no music.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just tipsy, bro, just talking shit. Bro, that weren't
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  Speaker 1: even posted to go nothing like.
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  Speaker 3: That was not real.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody, if you have to pick somebody that could
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  Speaker 1: be close to Mike vocal, who would you pick? Male
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  Speaker 1: or female? Because I think it's for me. It's only
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  Speaker 1: one female that I can think that's closer to Mike
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  Speaker 1: and vocals.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna say, Whitning Houston.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's it. Bro.
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  Speaker 3: We locked in.
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  Speaker 5: We had Joe Button on the podcast. He said, you
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  Speaker 5: don't mention music no more like you done. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna just be done. I'm gonna be done.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out Drake, shout out Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Make it so funny, you know what i'maying. We' from Indiana.
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  Speaker 2: So for you to make that type with the two
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  Speaker 2: one nine.
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  Speaker 1: They was hot. Oh yeah, everybody who is the biggest rappit.
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  Speaker 2: From and then gives so far we don't have Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he dropping the products Gibbs too.
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  Speaker 6: I want to I want to go back to the
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  Speaker 6: you know what I mean to the beginning, Poor Arthur sir,
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  Speaker 6: who put the pill in your hands like when you
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  Speaker 6: pick it up and frond a love for it.
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  Speaker 3: So I grew up and put out the texts a
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  Speaker 3: small town.
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  Speaker 1: All my family worked the refinery, so I grew up
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  Speaker 1: on the west side of my All my uncles, my cousin,
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  Speaker 1: they all played basketball and the protect. You know, football
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  Speaker 1: is big on Fridays, but when football is over, it's
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  Speaker 1: that same energy transfers to basketball. So on Friday nights.
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  Speaker 1: Growing up, there was one high school that we all
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  Speaker 1: grew up went to. It's called Lincol High School. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: have a Lincol High School and they used to win
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  Speaker 1: state championships and grow up. So growing up I used
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  Speaker 1: to watch them and go watch them play. So it
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  Speaker 1: just I inherited from my uncles and cousins. But at
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  Speaker 1: five years old, that's when they all knew I was good.
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  Speaker 1: I had forty two points. I had forty points in
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  Speaker 1: the forty two point game, and uh, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Say how many assistans?
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know what. I didn't know what it
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  Speaker 1: was back there, but five years old, forty points, we
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  Speaker 1: had forty two another kid that he scored on the
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  Speaker 1: other two. And after that game, I start getting treated different,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, by coaches, by my uncles,
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  Speaker 1: by everybody. And uh, I didn't know I had it
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  Speaker 1: at the time. I just thought I was just taller
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  Speaker 1: and I was more athletic. But that's when it started.
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  Speaker 6: At uh damn, my memory kicking in a little bit
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  Speaker 6: ninety five. Did y'all want to you led them to
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  Speaker 6: the chip at Lincoln.
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  Speaker 3: High School state championship?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: That was your junior year, My junior year. Okay, how
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  Speaker 6: was that? I want another question though, to just two part,
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  Speaker 6: like I want you to talk about that. But is
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  Speaker 6: it any other pros that come from Lincoln?
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  Speaker 1: No, so BJ Tyler had a two year stint. He
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  Speaker 1: would up going to Texas. Yeah, and he had a
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  Speaker 1: two extent, but nobody. The crazy part about it is
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  Speaker 1: is a town that's fifteen minutes away called Baumba, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: and the high school coach I had at the year.
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  Speaker 1: We want to state championship. Ended up getting another kid
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  Speaker 1: that ended up going to high going out of high
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  Speaker 1: school as well, and ended and went in the state
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  Speaker 1: championship as well, Kendrick Perkins. So we got the same
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  Speaker 1: high school coach, you, Yeah, we got the same time.
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  Speaker 6: I'm talking about Kendrick dribbling down the street and at thirteen,
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  Speaker 6: when he was sixteen fifteen, he was that big, but
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  Speaker 6: he was getting it off the rim and bringing it
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  Speaker 6: up like he had all that before he got the
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  Speaker 6: Boston Now he had all that.
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  Speaker 1: Bro Now I remember him with the unclean soldier. Him
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  Speaker 1: and Borrow linked up as you like, Nah, he went
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital. You got it. You gotta be nice.
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  Speaker 3: So you just you just hoopedush your guys at Lincoln.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: We don't want the chip, but yeah, like we had
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  Speaker 1: the guys I played with. We've been knowing each other
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  Speaker 1: from elementary all the way to high school. So leaving
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: them my SENI my senior year was something I didn't
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: want to do. What made coach Smith come grab you?
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  Speaker 3: Well?
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: Josh Passler up being the coach for Memphis and Georgia Tech.
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: He was my AU coach. He was the same angor
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  Speaker 1: as accident. Yeah, coach. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was our coach.
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  Speaker 1: Bro. He drove to my hometown. Let me till I
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  Speaker 1: met Josh. So I was killing Texas basketball, but I
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't ranked too high. So he drove to my hometown
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the ghetto during the daytime where
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: it's crack being so nigga smoking all kind of shaft.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: He pulls up by himself. Everybody back. I think it's
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: the police, like who are you looking for? And he
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: caused my name, So I'm like, I don't know. You
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  Speaker 1: don't put me on the blast in front of the homies,
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  Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. And he was like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: my name is Josh Passler. I go to Kingwood to
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  Speaker 1: have my own age.
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  Speaker 3: How old are you?
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: Brothers, Like, I'm seventeen. Told me as AU team wanted
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  Speaker 1: me to come play on this team. I'm like, Bro,
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  Speaker 1: I ain't got no money, ain't no car, I can't
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  Speaker 1: get to Houston. He drove Bro three times a week
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  Speaker 1: from Houston, which is I wouldn't have picking me up.
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  Speaker 1: I would have back to practice and I won't have
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  Speaker 1: back then I won't have back to go to school.
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  Speaker 1: The next day. He did this shit three times a
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  Speaker 1: week just so I can have a chance to play
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  Speaker 1: AAU basketball. And his dad had a relationship with he
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  Speaker 1: worked for red He was a big wig in the
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  Speaker 1: Red Cross and he had a relationship with Steve Smith.
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  Speaker 1: So he started coming at AAU games. And Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: remember trying out. This is the school year finish start,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm on the football field running trying to for football.
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  Speaker 1: I'm running routes. Got to pass on. I ain't thinking
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  Speaker 1: about basketball yet. My mom coaching, my uncle come around
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  Speaker 1: the corner. I'm like, ah, Ship, this can't be good.
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  Speaker 1: Like take that shit off. You're going to Okill. I'm
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: going to Okill for what I want to we can
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  Speaker 1: go back to back. I'm trying to say, like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: your ass stay here, You're going to jail. You know
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Cause I stayed in trouble. I stayed
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: in trouble around that time, so I didn't see what
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: they was doing for me at the time.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I was hard, heited, I wanted to be home with
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  Speaker 1: my friends, and uh, sending me okay was the best
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  Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me. That's crazy.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: And we just had to move on saying, I know
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: we had a little bit of this conversation with who
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: your top five? You know, so who y'all started five?
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: You're taking oak Hill, Brandon Jennings, Okay, DJ at the one,
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: Rondo m hm, I'm sorry. I got to go small
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: BJ Ronald because they were just that good when it
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: was there. We're talking about Ed Okill, Yes, sir, h Nello,
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  Speaker 1: Josh k d tough, that's that's crazy five.
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  Speaker 3: I got to give you on though. Was the problem
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  Speaker 3: too nasty Tripp monster.
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  Speaker 4: And it's quite as kept he don't get spoken on that.
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  Speaker 4: But no one was killed out there too.
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  Speaker 3: Nolan is a winner, Yes, sir, you know what I'm saying.
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: Nolan is a winner.
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  Speaker 1: Shout. I know, none as the one. You know, even
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: that dude, he brought the winning field. No, just a winner,
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: but he was solid.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: Sure, we got to talk about it, man. One of
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: our favorite o gs, Mike Bibbie, that's my real brother.
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  Speaker 1: That was when I first got my rookie year. He
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: was out.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, people in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Bro Let me let me tell you how close me
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  Speaker 1: and Mike is. I My wife talked about natuation when
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  Speaker 1: that I had it was end up getting married and
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: end up calling the wedding off at the right you
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  Speaker 1: read to start because my wife was signed to my
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: fiance at the time, was signing the prenup and I
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: was hurt at the time, I was crying. Afterwards, I
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  Speaker 1: was hurt because then all this stuff, my family was there.
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  Speaker 3: It was just a lot on me.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Mom came and wiped snock from my nose and
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  Speaker 1: from my face with a bad hands and told me
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  Speaker 1: I became a man. That That's when I knew she
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  Speaker 1: she really loved me. So for his mama to do
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  Speaker 1: that to me, I let y'all know how tight we are.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying That his mama is really
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I made it to the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: That's real. That's hard, bro. How did I even link
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  Speaker 3: up though?
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  Speaker 1: Like so high school, we both signed with Arizona, so
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  Speaker 1: we both was going we had the number of recruiting
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  Speaker 1: class that year, and the first semester I actually stayed
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: with him on campus because I couldn't pass the test.
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  Speaker 1: I I wudn't even going to the I wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: going actually to take it. I was just like, I'm
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have to just give me the grade or something,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: And I took the tests a couple of times and
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: still couldn't pass it. Where I end up after the
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: first semester, they had to kick me off campus. So
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  Speaker 1: his mo mom had got together, was like, he can't
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  Speaker 1: come back to put on like that, that ain't it? Like,
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  Speaker 1: So she my mama, let me stay with her and
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: I worked out with his older brother Dane. They was
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  Speaker 1: taking me to workout every day. And one morning she
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: woke me up like get your shoes, and Dange wasn't there,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm like, what're we going? So like just get
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: your shoes and we in the car. She ended up
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: driving me to the Phoenix Sons Arena where they play
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: it now, and we walked them. I'm looking at her
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: like because when we drive in, like she didn't have
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: to say a name to you know, normally you got
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: to have a pass up. She just waved out and I'm.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, poor like that his motherfucker my hard.
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we come down and pull and she know
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: she had had already talked to Danny Ainge and to
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: bring me down there to play pickup, and Jason Kidd
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: immediately embraced me. He ended up picking moments team and
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: that's when I was young, So I was catching lives
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: and all kinds of shit. I was going crazy in there.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Off high. I was high, and all that going I was.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: I was wrong. And after I played, Danny ain't told
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: me that they had they had one pick in the
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: draft of the second to the last pick, but the
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: roster was full. But they're like, you know you played
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: well up today that we're gonna draft you and guarantee
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: you twenty fifty thousand, but we're gonna see you the CBA. Nigga,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: I was drafted. In my mind, I'm in the league.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't you get damn fifty thousand. All that Nigga's good,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: let's go, you know what I'm saying. But once you
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: get in the dough, you notice tm J T. Once
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: you get in the dough, you good. And I got drafted.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: I bounced overseas, but my name was in that system.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. For getting drafted, that's all
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: I needed. And that all the Mike to Mike Mom, that's.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Dope, bro. I didn't know. Danna Angel said boss too.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: That's one of the people I fried. You know, you
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: don't like to talk about it because you keep saying
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: we was on the same teams, like.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: That's god man, But I fried, Like.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like they said said if I didn't, I said,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: I fried everybody else.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: That was there.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my dog, that's my dog. I had a
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: great day that day. I was young and hunger. I
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: had a great day that day. That's hard bro a
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: great day. How was that?
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: Overseas stint though? Like, where'd you go?
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: First? I went to I went to Venezuela. First, tell
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: you about my first day of Venezuela, which is crazy.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I get there automatically didn't go because you know, I've
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: never been out the country, being up a small time
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: and put off that. I like, I'm you're going to
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Venezuela fresh out of high school, played basketball like my
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: mom was terrified. I get there the first day. They
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: picked me up and uh, they take me straight to practice.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: And it's like a bridge probably like a mile ahead
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: of us. So now when we get to come around
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: the corner's the bridge is traffic. So everybody going slow.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: So he he trying to figure out why is the traffic.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: When we get to under bridge, it's a fourteen year old,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: this small kid by fourteen fishes old land on the
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: ground here, just jumped off the bridge. That's my first
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: day up. So I'm looking out the window seeing the
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: dead body. My first day in Venezuela. Damn. I'm like,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't tell you. I'm not gonna take
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: this ship. I can't.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Call my ma, Mama, my mama.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: G I'm like, Mama, as soon as I'll tell everything
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I see, I'm like, I ain't even do that. She's like,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: so what you're gonna come what You're gonna come back
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: home and do the ain't gonna be in miles you look.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, damn, I.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Can't. I was. I was the food. I was bro
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: bro to be honest, I ode ill served at the
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: age of seventeen twice before I got to Mike sou
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I was so I needed a lot of change.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, A lot.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I credit so many people, you know what
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm saying in my life because if I didn't have
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: all these people, I wouldn't be here right now. Real
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: yeah story right there.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: So So when you actually got on the court, that
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: is crazy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: How was that though, and Venezuela was cool because you know,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I was playing basketball, I was making money. I wasn't
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: making much, you know what I'm saying. I wasn't with
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: my wife then, but I made thirty thousand dollars. The
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: women were so beautiful, and Venezuela I left all my
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: money that was doing.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I'm just keeping it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I had never been out of the country, and you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: take a little ghetto nigga from put Out bringing to
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Venezuela where they breathed Miss Americas. You know what I'm saying,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I lost it. I don't keep poting. I lost. I
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: probably came back to like eight dollars, ten dollars. I
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: lived it all there, you know what I'm saying. A
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: brick of weed that had they say your brickle weed
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: had seeds in it. It was, but you like two
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. So I was getting the chicken. I had
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: had to give me a pack of new Ports a box,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: put all the cigarette the tobacco, and stuffed the weed
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and all of them.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So I had packed some cigarettes. But when it was
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: all weed.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So I was enjoying myself out there. I was eighteen nineteen.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I wasn't thinking about
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: saving no money and going home, nothing like that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: It was. It was a great experience, but my mind
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: still was like, if I'm having fun here, imagine what
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have when I get to the league. Bro.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: If I can enjoy this, I can enjoy anything. So
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: that's how I feel when I first went to Miami. Yeah,
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I ain't going back to now.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot with oh No and you. Joe
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: just the best, said Lord, I like this stuff.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Overseas.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I've been bens wading for six months. I played two
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: years in Dominican Public Dominican Republic, won the championship there,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: played in Australia, broke my foot in Australia, and show
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: France for like two weeks. I couldn't stand it because
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the smell and they just they just wasn't taking care
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: of themselves, you know what I'm saying, Like the gym,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: all that stuff like it wasn't something I wanted to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: be a part of.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: I was that transition from you know, the overseas world.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Now you I don't want to mess it up like
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: I think he went to New Jersey first. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: so you went straight to New Jersey. How was that
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: like transition?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Well for me, I broke both of my feet.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Uh. The second time I broke my foot, I was
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: was the last day of cuts for the Bulls, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I made the team. Like I went from not being
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: on the having a pinion in the Pendy Jersey to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: the last day I got on the purple I mean
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the regulationship.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Like, you know what I'm saying, I'm with the starters.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So when if you went the starters last day when
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: they got two people making the team, you basically know
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you're making the team.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Broke my foot the day of last cuts, going for
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a leg, broke my foot, called my mama again, but
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: this time I was crying like a little bit to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: my ball and like maybe this ain't it.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I broke both my feet, like going through all the ship,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: maybe I gotta do something else. And it wasn't nothing
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: else for me to do because I wasn't smart, you
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I wasn't prepared to go to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: school and get a job and those ship like that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: She's like, so what you're gonna do. You're gonna come home,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You're gonna heal up, and you're gonna get back out there. Mama,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't let me sit in that ship.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She wouldn't let me sit in that ship, even though
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: she was hurt too, because she she's seen it on
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: me like I was dead though, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I was there, bro, I feel to make the team.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm here. All the hardwork is over.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I made it and that ship happened the day of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and uh I was devastated for a while.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Bri, I ain't gonna lie. I stayed home.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I had to play basketball for like eight months, didn't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: do nothing, and I didn't think I you know, I
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: didn'tink I ever play again.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, crazy, you gotta go.
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: You go from that feeling to being the NBA champions.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Them they're crazy though, So what made you start hooping again?
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Like obviously he said your mom was pushing you.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I got an opportunity to play summer League with Vancouver.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I got opportunity to play Mike.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Mike came went to Vancouver, and uh I went out
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that with Mike and I ended up playing some league
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: with them, and I was busting Sharip abdu Ram, that's
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: my boy. I was.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I was hungry, bro. You know what I'm saying.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I was hungry.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I was. I was hungry. And I was out there shining, shining, shining,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: preseason shine and practice shining. And they cut me.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, God, damn, I'm like what I got to
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: do about?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Like it? Is it? I'm starting to learn the game too, though,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the posess, the political side of basketball.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: It ain't about how good you is. You know what
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You got to fit in with You got to fit
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: in with the team, and they want you to buy in.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I wasn't buying inn the ship at that time.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I was.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I wasn't coachable and none of that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I was just raw.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Give me the ball, get out the way, let me
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: compete against my man. You know what I'm saying. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: didn't know how to run plays, none of that shit.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So so they was right for to be keep me punking.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: They was right for cutting me because I was just
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a raw basketball player. I was. I didn't know how
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to play the game yet. You know what I'm saying,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but as time passed, I played in summer League with
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a couple other teams, and I ended up getting an
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: invite to camp with New Jersey And that's all because
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Steph Marberry and King Martin. Yeah, I ended up going
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: up to preach the pre camp and I ended up
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: playing Steph and King. King got the drafted number one
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that year, and they came and watched his practicing, like
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: bringing the camp. The byron was asking to bring him
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the camp and men Ken he birol the number. Me
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and Keen I already knew each other, and being from Texas,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: King just wasn't he Keen lead. I think he's a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: year younger than me. He had an injury. He had
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: an injury going into that year, so he broke his foot.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: He broke his foot, still got drafted number one, and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that's why he went plus why he wont practicing. So
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: but anyway, they got me in and once I got in,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I just yeah, yeah, everything worked out for me.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I had number one. You got the number one pick
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and the starting point guard on your side. You know
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's kind of hard to.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Go who shows in the roads. What was that vent
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: that grabs you.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It was it was stuff. So you know, me being
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: from Texas, we used to have the starch down pants,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: but with a bitches can stand up. He was on
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the pocket.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Ship kick.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It did that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: You you went to some workout and did you go
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: somebody in New York and said you was in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: gym and like literally took your fans off falls.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It's like set them up. They really stood up like Harton.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So I told you, so, look, I'm getting ready to
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: come in the draft. This is this. I knew what
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I knew. Face was drafting me and they flew me
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: out to New Jersey to work out in New Jersey
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gym with this guy name I forgot his name, but
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he was working out our handthm time. This is my
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: first time meeting now was like set sixteen seventeen. Be'st
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: niggas the biggest dude I've ever seen in my life.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like this nigga in high school and.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: We ended up working out together. He actually work out
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: with him. So I wasn't planning on working out. So
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I had on some jeans. I told you who takes,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: So my shit was starched down talking about I pulled
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: them business off and just stood them up.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I showed him.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I showed him to practice one day and Steph was like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: oh now, oh now a nigga. Steph took me. This
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is a true story. Steph took me, brought me an
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: escalade this when Esclades first came out. Bought me like
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: ten pass of Tims baggy jeans. He brought me the
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: whole swagh. He like, man, take that shot off. He
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: made me take my jeans off and left and they
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: threw them in the trash. Win'm on state flow jeans
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: out here. I'm like, sh that's ship since we're.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Here, because I ain't gonna ain't gonna front. I used
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: to start my ship, okay, real ship, though I should.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Never stood how the fun was putting in the cleaners
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and and you say heavy starts, you want heavy starts,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: so start.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: You can see the iron print on the business.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: You just that just how we did it out next,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want with the night back in the day
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: off the way from you had jeans on, you flipped
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the bottom.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: You flipped the bottom.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah that you got it. And then your pass too
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: big hit with this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
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• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I remember that story. Y'all got it though.
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  Speaker 1: When you get to Jersey, you start playing, like what's
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that year for? You? Were like switch because the Stephen
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Jackson I know, I don't. I don't remember Jersey and stuff.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: I know you from Fivecats, Yeah, from Golden State, you
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: know the spursanship of me was the guy the bodcast because.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: You was averaging twenty you was cooking. But when was
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that year? If you were a click? But see that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: that's the difference. You play the game. You know the game.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: If I would agree with you, because that was my
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: best year.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my best years playing basketball.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: But New Jersey it clicked because when I got there
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: byron On was fucking with me and I ended up
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: starting my first first game of season. I ended up starting,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I end up making it I end up making a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Rookie All Star Game. I'm leading all rookies in storing,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: even the number one pick that's on my team. I'm
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: leading all scoring going into the Rookie game. I come
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: back from the Rookie game, I don't play no mo
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. Why do you think that
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I have no idea? So for me, this is what
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I think. So Byron had a son named Thomas Scott
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that was the same age of me, and he was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: there around the time, so I hung with him. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was the youngest of him, so I hung with him
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a lot, and his wife basically treated me like a son.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if he thought that I was
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: hitting on his wife or something like that, but that's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing I could think of, because that
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the animosity that he showed to just stop playing me
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: with no kind of excuse, you know what. I don't
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: even talk to me about it, Like I thought it
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: had to be personal, you know what I'm saying. And
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: his wife was just she was a mother to me
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: because I was still young and she felt like I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: needed some guys, and my mom appreciated. But I think
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: he took it the wrong way okay, yeah, because.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I got a story about when we play. You played
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• 27:55
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna let you get to that because you want
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: a championship with the Spurs, so you know when you
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: were rookie, you're gonna play. Well, I didn't play, so
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I'm talking at the end of the bench, so I
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: just yelled ship out. I can't remember who the point
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: guard with your team was. I think it might have
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: been light He went he went to.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: The basketball t was like, hell no, and he looks.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: He looked at the intern shut your ass up. But
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm laughing because now I got I got him start
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like I'm getting under your skin. I can't play that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: when I'm.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Mad, I can't play up.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna keep talking.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: So next time he comes he comes to the sideline,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: I say something else like that ship off. He would us,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: you know, talking ship but they starting knowing me and ship.
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: So now I'm standing up doing all the antique something
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I ain't playing.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to entertain myself. Really, So it gets
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to the last shot of the game, right.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: One of the best storytellers, this nigga.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So he got the wall on the wing bar bench.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, mom, like, mo wk that ship up? Man,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he's Jack. Jack won dribble right hit the game winner.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I think you on the stands right on the stairs.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, she was about to come from me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I ran to the back of the locker room. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was like, watch I come back out and shut the fuck.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say that. That was my only game
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: winn in my career, was the only one that walk Off,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you know, walk Off hit the shot. I ran to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: the back, like, oh, Ship came back there and shut
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the funk up. I was like, I ain't gonna say nothing.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Who else was coach on that? You know? I ended
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: up making Off should have made it because Ship changed
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: when I got there. But I was happy for him
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: because that was really my partner in crime. Like I
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: felt like I was back with Ron our test, you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, with Jerl on that wing and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: were arguing about who guarding.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I love having another guy that's gonna compete on the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: wing like that, Like playing with Ron was the best
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: ever bro run a test, Like I would never have
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a teammate that could dominate on both fans of the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: court every night if he wanted to. You know what
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like running somebody who I feel like, as
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: a team, the only teammate that could have won m
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: v P and Defensive Player Year in the same year.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And we're here with it. Listen, we are babies, man.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We was locked in on
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: that Pacer stuff. Man, that day that that happened.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Nobody could believe that should happened at all.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: We didn't. I couldn't even believe it either, Bro, to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: be honest.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: That was our championship year.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Though I ain't gonna thank you.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: We were smacking all four pistols that year. Bro.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: At the time, I played on the Pacers before and
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: that organization, everybody knew that was a year. Like even
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: when I came on the team, they didn't think we
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: was winting no championship year.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: They knew that riggie too, because that was the year
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: for us to win. You know what I'm saying that
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that ship that won this ship happened five like five minutes,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: fucked up our whole season, But we was beating the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: ship out of them to bow out.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Ye, I was cracking everybody shipbod we.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Was pacers might never want to to get I mean
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: had an opportunity to get close like that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: I mean pg in them they were straight white. That
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: was the best team to me.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I know they went to the finals with Regid them,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: but the team.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: We had was the best team. I had killers.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I had killers, but from top to from all the
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: way around though, from one, two, three, five, like Jeff Foster, Jamano,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Neil Ron test Me, Regim Miller, Jamal Tesley, who had
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Scott poll on sideline. We had fucking Fred Jones. Uh,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: we had we had a mob, bro, we had a
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: solid mob. I don't I didn't see nobody beating us
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: in the seven game series at all. That what a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: run on testing his right mind. Nah, it wouldn't happen now, y'all.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: That was the year.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I just remember from that fight because Fred Jones, he
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: used to be in India a lot. He used to
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: litter for a minute. I used to always mess when
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: he would come hoop at the gym and ship when
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: he had that broom.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Everybody else whooping as it was the fun you do
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it for, Sweet.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Fred Weeds Ben brother ended up.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: If y'all look at the film Ben Brother because I
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: think Benham has just lost somebody in their family. Before
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the game, Ben Brother had ended up right behind Fred
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and tried to knock his head. He turned into.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Fred got out of all this.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: He didn't get hit, and it was a big boy
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he throwing a big boy like he moves on. It's
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: because if you look at the videos at the time
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: where they was paying it to everything happened and everybody else,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you don't see emotion.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: But Fred was in the stands ducking for his life.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: He was like, damn, My thing was why even go
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: out there?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm say, going and saying to me,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and like I really don't feel like we should have got.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Suspended like Ron maybe.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But then again, if you think about, Okay, if somebody
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we out at a restaurant and somebody throw a beer
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: on your face, that's the salt. You know what I'm saying,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: You can press charges on them, right Not if you're
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: a black athlete, Yeah, I got not if you're a
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: black athlete.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: You can't. You know what I'm saying.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: We was at work, bro, you know what I'm saying.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Anybody was getting saw to the work. They're not getting
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: in trouble. Why would we get in trouble because we
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: defended ourselves. And I have to say this too, when
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you look at the tape I got, I got suspended
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: thirty games, got fined three million dollars, right, so if
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: you look at the tape, I ran up six rolls
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: to get and I grabbed run. If I was on
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: some bullshit, I could hit somebody on row one, two, three, four, five, six.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I wasn't on. I went up and I grabbed Ron
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: immediately look at the tape. As soon as I grab him,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: they throw another beer in his face. That's the dude
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I hit.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: So that's why I'm feel like I shouldn't have I
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: shouldn't have got suspended for defending my teammate and being
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I didn't go Now, if
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I went up there in the first row, hit a nigga,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: second row, hit a nigga, like okay, yeah, kicking ass,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I have to leave. I didn't do that. You can't.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: You can't a leisure and all every.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: For real you and Jayo because Jao hit dude, he slipped.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: But if he didn't slip, bro.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: And he's still left on the stretcher.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the dude Jayo slipped and the dude still left
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: on the stretcher.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: That's how crazy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad he did. Oh my god, can
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you imagine Jao teeing up and lining somebody up. What dude?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Clay Click kicked that off though, So no wrong was wrong.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: So I'm at the free throw line.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Look at the game.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I'm at the free throw line.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you some shit that a lot of
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: people don't know. I'm at the free throw line. I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: shooting the free throw. All I hear is you can
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: get your file back. And Jamal Tense is telling that
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to Ron. I'm like, man, what we don't tell him that?
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, fuck it, I go you know what
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I thought. I hit him, make the free throw. I
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: ran back. Look at the tape. I ran back fast
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and jumped and guarded Ben just so wrong. Cann't file
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: him guarding Ben. I'm just letting Ben go score with
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the termin and out go ahead. You know, I'm just
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: playing token defense. I ain't follow him go score wrong,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: come from out of nowhere and file him hard. I'm like, oh,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: being turned around and got ten times bigger nigga swilling.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like that incredible.
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: I'm like, boom, nigga run I thought run head came off.
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: My nigga pushed Ron ship back so fast. I'm about guy.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a nigga put his hands in somebody's
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: face like that, though, and Ron just you know, he
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: tried to get himself together.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I know he was kind of woozy.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: He had to be.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: He tried to get it something. We ended up breaking
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: But if Ron would have never came up in five
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Ben I was guarding him tip with the game would
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: have ran out. We'd have been out of you know
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But Jamal Sensey told it, bro, get
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: your file back from last year something in the finals
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't you know what I'm saying, didn't know
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: nothing about it, and I ended up in that ship
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and that's how all that ship started off. That ship
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: would never happened. That's crazy, fuck bro crazy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: I want to talk about them Spurs teams though, because
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: you played to me with the best fire for it
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: to ever do this.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I agree with you on that. Like, how was that point?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I know it was a couple of fun niggas on
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the team. If you don't want to, I.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Met you.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I met you.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I keep it from Yeah, you ain't got to speak
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: on the bigges. How was that playing for Pop Bro
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: one of the graziest.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So I say this and people think I'm crazy, But
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Pop is not a great coach. Hold on, he's a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: great leader, you know what I'm saying. See if you
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: look at the Spurs teams and look at all the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: coaches that come under Pop, that's head coaching somewhere else.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Look at all the guys that came in and came
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: into Spurs organization. That was film guys, that's GMS and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: President of the team, Sam Preston. All these guys right
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: all over the league. They so he Pop is a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: great leader. When you when you play for the Spurs teams,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: when you look at the timeouts, Pop has a When
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I was there was an offensive coach and the defensive coach.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: My offense coach was Mike Budd Newser He's been Coach
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: of the Year two years. Mike Brown. That was your guy,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Bud news Mike Brown and sant Sacramento. He was the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: defensive coach. So doing timeouts they meet, but budd comes
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in with offense, the time out, Mike comes in. That's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: why That's why I say Pop is not a great coach,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: He's a great leader. He leads the organization from the
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: top with everybody from the gym to the ball boys
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to the camera guys. Everybody sneaking championship or bus right.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And you go to a lot of organizations where the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: leader of the organization doesn't have the power to have
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: everybody buying into that. That's why I say he's the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: best leader because he can. He can bring any coaches
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: in there, make them look good, and send them off
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: somewhere else with their head coaches. He got a guy
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that was the film guy when I was there. He's
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: the head coach of the Utah Jazz. Now you know
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So Pop, That's why I say he's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: a leader. He's not a great coach. He brings he
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: brings great coaches under him. But he's a great leader.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a better leader in the NBA.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: But my time there was a blessing because I learned
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: how to be a professional. I learned the NBA has
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: more than just playing basketball. I learned how to prepare
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I learned how to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a man because Steve Smith. He showed me how to
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: be a man with David Robinson. But not having Tim
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Duncan there, I don't think I ever would have played.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I would have got an opportunity to be on the court.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: When I first got there. Everybody don't know Tim is
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the action junky. So he playing paintball. He's like, he
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like he got he got a thing. He had a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: case full of guns, like he he do UFC training,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like he wanted those action type guys.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: He like ashes.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So when I first got there, he needed somebody to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: go play paintball with him. Yeah, I know that's right
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: up my alley.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: You're talking about throwing Jesus whatever.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Ship Samples used to wear. Crazy. That's the worst one ever,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the worst. Let you know. He didn't give a respect though.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: He liked to play paintball. So I showed him, you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I showed him paintball with Diggie's on Chuck. He's like, boy,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you can't. You got to have some comfortable shoes like this,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: ain't you know we can do a drive by. He's like, nah,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: this ain't it. But you gotta get elbow passed. So
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I used to go play with him, so training camp
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: this funny story. So we go play and like, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: ain't scared of ship, like I really ain't. Besides God,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I ain't scared of no human. I ain't scared of nothing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: That's just my problem. That's why I've probably been so
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: much ship. And the name of the game is you
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: got to go grab the flag in the middle. So
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, ain't nobody gonna go grab the flag? Yeah, nigga,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: scary that. I dropped my gun, hall ass teach, So
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just start playing. So I didn't know they had
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: masks that don't fog up. I'm not hip to that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to have on
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: some ghetto ship. My mask fogged up. I gotta run
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: up the steps.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Boom boom.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Nigga, shoot me, Nigga, I got it, Nigga. I missed
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the last step and my mask lder uh, nigga, blood everywhere, Nigga,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: my mouth, I'm talking, My shit is so swollen. Nigga's
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: blood everywhere, my tooth and went to my lip. All
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: kind of ship, right, So I slipped my mask down
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm running down trying to tell the niggas I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: hit my mouth. These nigga shoot. I'm like, they shoot
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: me and they think it's paint, but it's blood and
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: it took over all my whole shirt. So I'm like, man,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: stop me. You know what I'm saying, bleed par real.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So we gotta go to practice the next day. I mean,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: with Tim, we lift and waives Pop coming out. What
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: happened this when Tim fuck with me? I mean, I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: was playing at the house with my homeboard flat box.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, The straight up lied. Tim
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: thought I was gonna say. You know what I'm saying,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: straight up live to Pop nigga. You know, Pop knew
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I was lying. He knew that shit. Ever since then,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Tim bosh for me doing practice put I wasn't playing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I was on practice squad. Put me on the first
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: five with him to day he tell her, So Seattle,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: We're playing in Seattle. One day, it's been like twenty
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: five games into the season. I'm coming off the bench
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: on averisent by eighteen off the bench at the time. Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I'm killing to it. Yeah, getting to off the bench.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Playing probably like twenty five
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: minutes and pop cars like, come to my room. I'm like,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I get in this room, Tim and there I'm like, yep,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: they know they know we're gonna start you tonight. Okay,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: get kicked off the team. We're gonna start you tonight.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You know you've been playing well, I'm like, okay, cool,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: but that on wasn't That depends the work hardest part.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I told you Steve Smith was my o G. So
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I was taking his spot. So you know, I walk
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: in the locker room, I'm like, walk by him, don't
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: want to speak to him like this o G. Like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he's gonna feel like, Hey, you
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: gooted for me. I'm rooting you the same way like
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: he was a real It was like, we don't do that.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I'm root for you just the way. It ain't personal,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I didn't understand that I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: wasn't a professional then, you know what I'm saying. But
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: for him to do that, it gave me the conference
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to go out there and play. So shout to Steve Smith.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: But that's how I ended up really getting on the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: court and getting a chance to play was because the Tim,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: because Tim kept vouching for me. Was that this was so,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: this is O three yep, did you want to chip?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And that finals was crazy. I remember you having one
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: of the colts in and outs every like I was
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: aware who you.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Was, Kenny Martin, and I ever seen in all life.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And I ain't I'm just not. I'm not like teaching.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I ain't the greatest handler.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I can control my ship. But some ship had come
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: out there now instinct.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The niggas do this on purpose.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My ship just came off instinct.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I remember that that was one of the hardest thing
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my life.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That was crazy. But man, like I said, we have
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: town babies, and y'all was going crazy. And to see
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: it at the same time the coast is going crazy.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: How was that the night life in the city because
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the city ain't been the same since, But how was
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that energy in the city when the coast is killing,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: y'all killing, and everybody was outside and jail had the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: clubs and had our own club every night, Sir.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Seven seven, shout out McAfee. Bob Sanders, Bob saying the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: whole nine. It was the line.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: It was the line back of the name.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: No no no, no no no.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: White.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Freenie g next up with m That was my dogs.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: They always out. We was all out together, bro. That
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was my first That's probably the only time that I've
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: been in the city as the football team and we
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: hung together every night. I didn't do that to know
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: other city that that team. Those two teams were basically
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like family, broke cause we supported each other, you know
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think I stayed right next door
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to Tony Dungeon, and the night I got hit by
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the car, that was the first person at my house
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: when I got home from getting stitched up.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: He was the first person.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Knocked on my door, Tony Dungeon. So I think just
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of the guys stayed in
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the same neighborhoods and we support that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: It was just dope.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And then it was a lot of guys on the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: team that grew up like us, you know what I'm saying,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Andrew James, they grew up from the struggle too, So
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: it was it was a great connection. Bro. You ever
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: hear Riverside on a Sunday. I sure did.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Set all here. Theseggas, they're gonna make.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It families everywhere. That's so crazy. We had a sheriff
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: came to my house. Jail had a sheriff come to
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the house and give all of his gun license after that. Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's why I felt like that they had
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: a gun Like kids untouchable, I'm gonna get off, get off, And.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: It was crazy as a kid.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: That that's how going.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Like you would see Jamali and the random s places,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Freshman all Fresh and Helf Fresh White T, Fresh Forces,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Fresh j Brother.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Cut my hair and he wore he wore Fresh Path Ones.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: J T even practiced in the Fresh Path ones one day.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Solid that's untied. How was that like playing with him?
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: He's under another point guard for sure, that's super underrated.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: He was THEMN there to me before right for Austin
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: like the one type of player you know. So how
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: was that playing with Jamal.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: One of the best post up guards you could ever
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: play against. His post game was underrated and as far
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: as his passing and bar handling, you ain't gonna find
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: too many guys that's gonna do. The playground ship in
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the game that he would do you know what I'm saying,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: He'll he'll post up and turn around and throw it
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: through the guy legs on the box right down to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: on the box once you threw his legs like. He
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: was doing stuff like that. So he was very probably
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: the most besides Baron David was the most creative person
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: with the ball I play with, and uh, like he's
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: very underrated. I just think because he the way he
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: played it was slow. He didn't give the even give
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the effort all the time on defense like that, So
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: people kind of knocked him for that.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: As far as talent, he had it all six.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a little taller, he looks.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: He looked real little on them.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: It just got the ball on.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he could pass, like.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Especially when the coach he is playing for him to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: play the way he played under that coach at the time, Yeah,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: because LB wasn't going for that. Yeah, so for him
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: to get that off, that's why. Yeah, we got some
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: inner City.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Outside of Tim Duncan. Who the best player you ever
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: played with? Tim got to be one.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Tim is the best I played with.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: If I have to go, it's out a run and
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: jo I got Barren number three, But it's out of
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Ron and jail for too, because I seen Ron do
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: some amazing things on that court, Like it's dominated on
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: both sides of the court. And I seen Jermaine Damnar
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: to get seventy points. You know what I'm saying one night, So.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: People sleep on used to get bucket broad don't happen.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: He's in the Hall of Fame already. That don't happen.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But run Roun's a Hall of Famer, So I give
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you that.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: I want to talk about that Warriors team though, yeah,
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: that's probably I don't know. I ain't gonna say the
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: most fried team.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: On record, that's the if we're not the most burnout
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: team in the.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Indiana team Charlotte, I mean the Golden State team was
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: probably the most burnout team ever in life.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Yeall made basketball fund though, Like watching y'all was like, damn,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: that looks fun.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But just imagine a whole bunch of people you grew
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: up knowing high school. Y'all hit up on the same
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: NBA team. Y'all got a coach Donnie that the first
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: day I get there, just how he tell me and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Bettie we captains. He brings us to this little hole
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: in the wall, talk about I'm gonna take out to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: this hole in the wall bar to play shuffle board.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Who knows what shuffle board is.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Niggas don't know what that is, right, I'm like cool,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: whatever we get there, it's with the sand, the little
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: metal balls and you slider time, you know what I mean.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: So we didn't play the ship at all. This nigga
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: got a bottle of scotch and got me and bet
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: piss it drunk, talk about the to the Betie, blinking
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: our eyes and as we had like the fifth shoddy
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: tablets up, Larry, come on, Larry, hey, you guys are captains,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: and he stumble out. We roll with him. We called,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: we called the we called the driver from the and
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: him and last. So he left with me this SMI
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: beaty sent at the bar like nigga talking about drunk
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: because I don't drink scotch. We're sitting there waitting like
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I guess we captains.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: We had to buind our way home.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: So that day we we knew that this all now
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: we coach. When we took our last drug test, me
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and Bed coming out of the locker room with our
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: pink slip because they get your pink slip. I did
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: take you test my head coaches out like this, given
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: it's high five, come out. Yeah. Yeah, we already smoking
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: because we live in the same building. But he giving
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: us high five. That's what that's listen to explaining how
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: our team was. You know what I'm saying, man, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: our best friends. When we got that Montella didn't have
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a tattoo. You look at him now, your whole body tattoo.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: He had one tattoo that was Matt. The best Matt
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: thought right there that boys did that to my taste,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is that you.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: And Matt first time linking up. Yep.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So that's how me and Matt became close. When his
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: mom died, you know what I'm saying, I stayed with
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: him the whole time. You know what I'm saying, We
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: really became But his mama died fast too from cancer,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and uh, instead of me going home doing those little
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: breaks shit, I just stayed with him. And that's what
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: that's That's how Barnes started. Didn't start with the podcast
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: started way before that in Golden State. But that team
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: bro was just a whole bunch of guys that been
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: knowing each other. We get a chance to play together.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: We didn't think we was gonna make the playoffs and
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: no ship like that. We were just hungry and you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: playing hard and playing for each other. Good shit happened.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Y'all was going out every night, every night. But it's
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: not one city. Let me tell you the story of
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: New Year's. We're in Houston on New Years. We had
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: just beat the Rockets, right, so this is a typical
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: night with us. So this is New Year's. We beat
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the rockets. We in the club. It's about club like
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: an hour two for being closed.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: By this time.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Our whole team is drunk, so everybody has a role.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: So I passed out the Bandanna, so everybody got a
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: red band downers. I don't know why Nbad's trip everybody. Okay,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Matt rot Mad is the drunk, pretty white boy, so
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: we all drunk niggas and white beat us. He run
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: around ripping niggas, white beat us off like some I
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: don't know some school days type I don't know old schools,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and I don't know some drunk white boys sh no
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: niggas and the half niggas drunk half wife beat his.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Own half farf right.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So normally it's my job to find Baron Davis. If
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you don't find Baron Davis, it's gonna be a night
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna remember all we we're gonna regret it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: So I end up getting too fucked Uphy. I lose
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: barn and I get tapped by one my home. I
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: was like, bro, look your boy like what He on
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: his way to the DJ so look as soon as
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: he grabbed the microphone my homebore Coppo tech d Finnig.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Get us all to night, get us all the dated,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: so I said, He grabbed the mic, stopped the music. Hey,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: we're the Warriors.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: We come to the city.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: We take y'all bitches. We beat our team. What's up,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Luther Head? Because we gang bang? And he paused, And
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: we sell drugs. I told you, I told you. I'm like,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: oh man, somebody gonna get this. This is New Year's
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: in Houston. So every drugs, this is the time we
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: get outside. Police everywhere. The police is everywhere. You know what,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, peep outside that to fight or something. So
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: we all coming out, you know, we deep and the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: police saying something to us. This nigga betells the police
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: stand down. I am an honorary captain. I have this
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: under control. Stand down. This nigga told HP to stand down.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I am an honorary captain.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: We was out there dying dog. That was one of
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the best. Nice but that's the type of night used
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to have every night, thog. Every night everybody had a
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: different niggas called Jay rich Don Julio.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: That was his favorite drink.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Then we was drinking back there. Yeah, yeah, we was
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: going because I.
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: Heard them stories about yourn rogers. Didn't know how y'all
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: got up and still one out in handle business.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Miami night we played Orlando. Beat We beat Orlando. We
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: fly straight to Miami on the back to back. We
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: stay out till seven thirty in the morning. The whole team,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: we all just go straight from the club to the bus.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: We get on the busy Eric at the time, he's
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: one of the best trainers in the league for the war,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: so he brought all our stuff on the bus. So
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: everybody on the bus with the clothes that had on
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: from the game Orlando. That's crazy. We go to shoot
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: around Nellie walk out. There's about two people on the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: court shooting everybody else those office like alcohol. He's like
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: held break it and bring it ahead, We bring it
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: and he's like, make go get back on the bus
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and we better win the night. One by thirty d
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: wading him, that's crazy one by thirty. I thought we
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: parted when I was a rookie on Atlanta with bill Yonaim.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he was comfortable talking about that, but
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I just hear about yad.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: That's what made me sponge to y'all because I'm a Friday.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Got the NBA is a joke.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I ain't if I would have took the game more series.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I probably had a couple of All Star games, you
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, without the broad ship. But I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: don't change it for not because I enjoyed my career. Bro,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: your legend and I played with some solid brothers too.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: How was that?
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Can you speak on that?
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: That Maverick series though?
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: For me, Bro, I I watched that series a lot
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: because I didn't get the credit from the team for
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: what I did.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I saved us in the Western Conference finals. I saved us.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Bro Genobilie was the only person that was was being
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: solid Tony.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Tony wasn't playing well because they were playing they had
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to bring speedy classes in. Tim was getting doubled, so
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: he really couldn't get off and they was all they
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: weren't really doing that. So if you look at the games,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I'm making all the big shots, even when we have
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: we're going through droughts, I'm the only one scoring.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: So when the last when it came.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: To game six, when they end up putting Steve Current
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and hit throws fourth, it was big for us. Well,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: look at the whole games, the whole game and was
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: still making big shots for him to give him the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: MVP at the end of the game, like that shit
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: crushed me. And the only reason that I don't talk
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: about this a lot because Genobi came to me when
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I was in my locker. I was about to start crying,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: but he came like, bro, you deserved the MVP. For
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: him to tell me that I was cool because that
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: was the only person on the court that whole series
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: that was riding with me. You know what I'm saying,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And it meant a lot. But I watched that series
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a lot brough because I don't feel like I got
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the credit I deserved for that series. I was busting
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the ass and I was high every game, every game,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: every game.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: You a legend now I want to talk about that
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Maverie series with you would.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Go though, Oh okay, oh yeah, after talking about the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: one with the Spirst, so so that that one was
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: special because a lot of people don't know don Nelson
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: was suing them. Oh damn, damn. You know he had
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he had some the contract shit with Mark Cuban, so
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: he was suing them during that time, you know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: So his whole his whole idea was every time I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: played Dallas, I want.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: To beat them.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I don't care about nothing else. And he knew Dirk's
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: game better than anybody. So he gave us the blueprint.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Make him go right. If he go left, he got
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: so he can fade away, he got. But if going right,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: he don't even want to. He don't want to put
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the ball down. Damn. So me and Matt made sure
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: we made him go right every time, and we were
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: super physical with him. You know what I'm saying. Dirk
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't super physical. If you let him get the shot off,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: that's your ass. Nothing you can do, you know what
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. There's nothing you can do. And he want
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: MVP that year. He was the MVP that year. That
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: was the best team in the West. So I just
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: think Donnie Nelson prepared us so well for them, you
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because that's all because after we
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: beat them, he didn't care about the rest of the season. Nigga.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: We was preparing ourselves for the second round. Gets you talk.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: He didn't give a fuck. He was sharting up with
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Folk cigars in his pocket.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Eight in the month.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: He got drinking beer and shit. He didn'tet, but damn
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: dog after he beat Dallas and that was his ship, bro,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: and we understood that why.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: We want to win so hard.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But if we don't have Baron Davis the way he
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: played Game one, we don't win that series in Dallas.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: He went crazy that game one, Bro, thirty some points
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: like he was and he kept all shots, was timely,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: so cold.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: He's one of the coldest point guards.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: That's one of these shouts of myg he loved.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't want to tell me. I didn't watch
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: the NBA like that. And him and give the rings
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: was the first some of the first point guards I watched.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: B He don't get hurt. He might go down to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: top ten point goar whatever. He don't get hurt because athletics,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: he had it all.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: He could score, that's all.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Like he was mad.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I said he had a b BL.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: But you know he needs to show up with practice,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: with his knee braises on top and sweat. So this
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: is what I started fucking. I used to watch you
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: do the show with Skip Bas and Ship. Used to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: go in there and be real and never what time
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you talk about everybody you was better than and everybody
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: was mad at you. I was like, no, he just
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: competent as fuck. Thank you, broank you like I didn't
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: have a better career in rayality, But if you look
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: at the games I played against a lot of these people,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I balled out a lot of we might not have
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: won the game with my matches with a lot of
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: these people who y'all look up to, I bust. They
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: asked a lot of knights and lock them up, and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: you can go look at the games. I'm not making
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: it up, but I'm not like I said, I didn't
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: have better careers than these people. But I'm a competitor.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: And when it came to the game, yeah, I wasn't
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: a better shooting than Ray, but I better postal player,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I passed better. I was a better defender. I was
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of things better than him on the court,
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So as a player, people
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: understand as a fan that like you just hating, But
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I did it in real time.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think you was hating messages.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: You know. And I admit they have better careers than me.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'd have a better career events either, But
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: Benson tell you I had some great games against it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: But they understand it's different when you just be like,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: let's go roll the ball out, Like it's a bunch
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of people to probably bust my ass. They probably don't
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: have a better career than me, but it ain't too
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: many people can stand in front of you so that
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: they lose right there. Yeah, just like Jordan Crawford, Like
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that's my man. But if you roll the ball out,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: let's just go hoop. Yeah, he'll funk around, give you fifty. Yes,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: he could score, yeah, but like three, yeah, you know
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he'll roll the ball out, he'll
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: get buckets and a lot of people can't outscore.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Was a motherfucker though he was.
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: He was walking down down, and I love you, Jack,
• 58:36
  Speaker 6: that nigga Jesus shuttles word.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Was the truth for him to transition his career from.
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: Because we grew up Milwaukee Bucks supersonic real and for
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: him to go strictly just shoot her.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I remember, you know what I mean. I don't know
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: how he was off the court, but Jesus shows.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Word, not Hughes cut was. It was athletic bro and.
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: He he Loki had a handle to pull up off
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: the dribb. Milwaukee was out of control, was scoring twenty
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: five a night with another nigga with Charlan Lewis another
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: motherfucker that people don't speak.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: On like thought.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: I took it as you was talking about we rolled
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: the ball out and it ain't no place we don't got.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: I knew how, I knew what about you meant like,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: we just.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Put the ball out here. I can kill him too,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and any given night I could be better than any
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: one of them guys.
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: So so speaking on that though, you know you was
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: known for defending the ship. Who is the hardest or
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: you can give us two hardest of the guard, Kobe,
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: not even close?
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Who else? Stuff one person?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Because I guarded you got mello, Yeah, I got a mellow.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I got a mellow pretty good. I got a mellow
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: pretty good because you know, I played one through four,
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: so I go to Power Force too. Yeah, but I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: think for me, if it ain't Kobe.
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: Somebody that nobody would think they used to God damn
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: this nigga, Cold Brandon, motherfucking Roy Roy.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I had problems with that nigga. We used to go
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: at it though, but he was different, Bro, like no injury.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: He wanted the cold as ever. One of my favorite
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: shoot gards of ball like that. Hands down, b Roy
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: is one of the best basketball players I've ever had
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to guard.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: I was not even close. He get this fly slot
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: on this show.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Show both y'all both played in the city and lived
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: to see at the same time. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: You did a little bit before you did to see
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: the city is now. But how was it to be
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: in the city as it was growing until the meccan
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: was now? And then how was it playing when it
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: was already lit?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: On the come up? I can't. I came three. It
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: was beautiful because it was Atlanta. Was that it was
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: that it was at its height, it was at his
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: height around the time. You know what I'm saying, that's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: when BMF was doing a thing. The rap scene was
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: was sid of everybody. But that time, it wasn't no
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: beef like you got people beefing now, like everybody support
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: each other, Everybody hung out together, everybody went to saying.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: When Adams had a party, everybody was there. Like back then,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: everybody was having a good time. And I think it
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: was because of people like Meach because when he used
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to come in to clubs, he coming with cup but
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it wasn't no it wasn't no problems, Like he used
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to buy bottles for everybody in the section. So you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like everybody was having a good time.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Back then.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: It wasn't no competition, you know what I'm saying, like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it is now and the different hoods beefing. So the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: club and the party was, it was the best time
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: to be in Atlanta, Bro, it was the best time
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: to be in Now is just you know, it's just
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: too much with the pills and the drugs and when
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: the kids killed. You know what I'm saying, like it's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: just the blind leading the blind now. But back then,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: at that height, Magic City Club, Miami and all that shit.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Back then, Bro, Atlanta was beautiful. You you wanted to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: be in Atlanta, and even when I got here, it
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: was still fun. You got here, I got here, oh no,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: oh nah, yeah, I still was having fun.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Like I remember the first the first time that I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: really well it was twine Walker was there the first time.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: He showed me some good time.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: Man, I go to Magic City. I ended up going
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: in there and he got a briefcase. It's I ain't
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: you know from in the Annapolis, I ain't never seen
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: a briefcase full of ones. They bring the briefcase out
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: to me, open up things with ten thousand ones or something, and.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: They liken get that. Every Monday.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: He like, young fella.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: He told me a thousand dollars, young fella and smooth
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: like that's my o G. I'm like, yeah, it's different.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: He come very Monday Monday. But we stayed in there.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Shout out to the a. They stayed in them.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I see. It was safe. It was safe.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: You ain't got around no cameras.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You like some of my
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Magic City, man, Well, it was like you don't hear
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: no stories that you've never heard, no stories about no
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: bullshit going on the Magic city because everybody was protecting
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: and safe. Everybody had a good time. Yeah, I seen
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: you what a couple of times showing a little you
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: be chilling. I was like, I ain't realized you was
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: that tall. Like when I got.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: Drafted, I ain't realized niggas was that tall?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, point, I'm six and one.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: I played the two sometimes when I got here and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: I seen him, I'm like this nigga six' eight.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Like like, man, I ain't got no chance. Man, I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: played the two sometimes cue he comes just running around niggas.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: I gotta ask me, like you said all the smoke man,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you and Matt went crazy?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: How was that?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying y'all had a relationship. Now y'all come
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: as business partners, like you said, trail bladers in the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: situation with y'all knuckleheads. To see how y'all started to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: where you is now? Man, Like, what's think about? How
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: is that feeling?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: To see how y'all progress so far?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: It ain't nothing but guard bro.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: To be honest, bro, because you know, like, I ain't
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: no different to y'all. Ain't no different to y'all. A
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: lot of times, especially after the bath to our careers
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: in guys like me and Matt don't get these opportunities.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: They give them to the guys that was the stars,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: that was on the commercials and all that shit. Well,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I think Guard just put us in the perfect time
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: because when me and Matt both decided to stop doing
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Fox at ESPN, we end up we ended up coming
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: up with all the smoke and we brought it to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: a woman named Ellen Records. Ellen RecordsOn was the woman
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: who started Red Table Talk Red Table Talk and heard
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Matt like this. She ended up calling Brian Daily. Brian
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Day was the VP of Sports at Showtime. They was
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: looking for another sports show, but they didn't know they
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to have a sports show where didn't know about podcasts.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't even know about podcasts. When Matt told me bout,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is it? And when Matt brought him
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: an idea, they said, cool, Matt, we'll do it with you.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: But we don't want Stephen Jackson. We heard a lot
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: of stuff about him. Matt was like, I ain't doing
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: anything at him. I'm not doing it. Shout out to Matt, real, yeah,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. And the first we do the
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: first photo shoot for it were smoking and ship were
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: smoking a shit on the photo show. I got my
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: shirt off like a rap album and sh hold up, man,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on up. This might not work, man,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: we might not. I don't think we can. Show Time
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: we get behind this, but they got behind it, bro,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: and you know, we end up cleaning it up a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: little bit. We smoked on some shows, but we ended
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: up cleaning it up to the point where we ended
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: up doing the deal with our hard Fire Audio and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: we ended up building our relationship with Showtime.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: So now we're five years in.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So it ended up where five years in the podcasts
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: now Paramount buys Showtime. Yep, they buy and they want
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to get rid of all of their properties, the social properties,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the boxing, you know, and Showtime boxing was the biggest
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: thing that they had. Ye So during that time, Brian Daley,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: which is the VP, he knew that Showtime was about
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: to get brought out. So he had an idea with
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: him and Matt, let's start our own production company. So
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: while we were still with Showtime, we started building all
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: the smoke productions with they bred. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: start building all spoke production. And during that time, I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: had got into boxing. While I started doing the weigh
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: ins for boxing, I started doing the interviews with tanking
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: tanks wanted me all this fights and shit like that.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: So I got to the box.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: So when we when Showtime had to buy, when Paramount
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: was buying us out, Brian finessed some type of way
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: where we own all Showtime Boxing properties now, so now
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Showtime Boxing's all the smoke fight and all the smoke boxing.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: So y'all, so we got we're finna be a big
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: player in the boxing space. Now we're going to put
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: on our own fights, taking that whole blueprint and doing
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: that now. So I think for us with the production
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: company show we have, we have a partnership with Draft
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Kings where we have a number of shows on the network.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I think just the fact that we were able to
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: build so much stuff from just starting with the podcast,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's why I disguise the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: limit for y'all because y'all done so much in a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: short time. But for us to be able to build
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: a boxing the podcast and a production company and start
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: doing live shows like that ain't number guard. But because
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: we didn't expect, we didn't know what we was doing.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: We didn't have no blueprint too it. We just just
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: jumped out there on the lead. But the timing and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: everything worked to our fail you know with Paramount and
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: all like everything was so why I say it was
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: guard but because a lot of stuff that happened with us,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: it was just perfect time for us to.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: Be where we are now. Did y'all put that better
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: in KG back?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, So we had a lot to do with KG Certified.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: You know, we have a show called Certified Smoke. What
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: we do across show with them, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and were doing a lot of business. We was actually
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: producing their shows with all the Smoke production. I think
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they going on and doing their own stuff now, you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: trying to do their own algorithm and stuff now. But
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: we still a founder. We still do Certified Smoke, but
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: definitely we definitely started them. We have the show with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: Rondo and Boogie Bully Ball. We have Rachel Nichols. You know,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: we're building some other properties now with all of them.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: On the boxing side. We have Andre Ward yes, yeah,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: and Roy Jones we just signed them. So it's been
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: a blessing. Man. We're just trying to continue the buildings
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: because they don't expect stuff like that happened from guys
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: like us. You know what I'm saying, They don't expect that,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: but I'll follow that anyway. I think Matt and Brian
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Brian Daya has been big for us because they have
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: that mindset. Like I haven't been in one meeting. I
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: haven't missed one check. You know what I'm saying. My
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: job ain't to be in the meets because I know
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: that ain't my specially I didn't go to school that
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and with school for that ship. When it's time to
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: collect money, when it's time to show up and entertained,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I know my job. So everybody and our you know,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a little small twelve people on our roster. You know,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: everybody got a job to do it. And I think
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: we depend on everybody to do their job because you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: everybody want to play their role and be a start
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: their own role.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: And that's one thing I think people don't realize, Like
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: with these opportunities, yeah it make start as a podcast.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: We have an opportunity for especially black entrepreneurs to.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Build enterprises offices.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: If you said you're going to a showtime box, like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I kept seeing you at the box and stuff. So
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: now it's all making it makes sense. But that's dope,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: like you getting collected intellectual properties that they don't give
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: us an opportunity to have. Look what had to happen
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: for y'all even have an opportunity because those cable networks
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: don't fail, they sell or they just get bigger. So
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: that's dope to see y'all capitalized on. It shows of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: the business mind. Like you said, everybody play their part.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: That's the dope part.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: Ain't nobody getting out of podcast, ain'tbody.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Getting too gritty, got an operation, got machine to keep going,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And it's dope to see that for y'all.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Man, we don't see that.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: He did this first thing with a cute choose, like
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: one of the pioneers kick this off, bro, Like how
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: did that come about?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So for me? Like when it for the Big d
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: first started, like I was excited because I knew how
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: I was one of those guys that wanted to play basketball,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: and I wasn't. I wasn't going overseas, you know what
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wasn't doing those shit like that, But
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I wanted to play right here and Q A lot
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: of the guys that Q like watching play, was retiring
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: and leaving the game. So when he when he started
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: the League's like, bro, I want to start this league.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I want to do a combine in Vegas just to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: see what the league was like. So during that time
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I was doing two days, I was working that hard.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Eye got swollen like I because I got back into
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that mode. You know what I'm saying.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: I got back into the basketball mode.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: And when we got there, I seen a lot of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: guys wasn't in shape, and I've seen a lot of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: guys thinking like man, I'm just gonna get this check
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: guaranteed ten thousand the league. I ain't gonna work. I
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: was gonna show up and get this money. No you're not. Yeah,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: first game in first day, while they having the combine,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Cube asked me and al and Contino and Cormac get
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: it played like a just like a test game to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: see what the what the league would be like. And
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I took that shit too serious. You know what I'm saying,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: because I did. You know what I'm saying, because I
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: really wanted to set the tone because I seen how
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: niggas was approaching this shit, how they were showing up
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: all fat and out of shape, and like I'm not
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: finna be like if y'all gonna show up like this,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give everybody one hundred points every night.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying That that was my attitude tone,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that scrimmage, I was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: talking you know, me and our best friends. I was
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: calling Aur bitches, cursing him out like we was like
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: with me and Coy's brothers, like we was going at
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: each other for that list short time. But everybody, like
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred people in the gym, everybody saw like, Hey,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: this is what the league gonna be like. And Q
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: was excited, Like that's what I needed. That's what I needed,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: And I was happy to not only play in the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Big Three, but shit, we all looked up to Ice Q,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: like I look up the fucking Q. How could I
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: not be in his league? And the fact that he
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: said I had a big part of you know what
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that meant everything to me. Dog. So
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that's why I still coach. Now, that's why I'm still
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: involved in the league now, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: because I know where he wants to go with the league,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: and we all have an opportunity to benefit off so great.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, something that the black person
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: is building. So I'm gonna always be down with you,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If even if it's just
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: coaching all like I'm doing now, I'm a big part
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: of the league.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: He said that half court bigger than bullshit.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: At first one I said s court.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: He was like he thought that ship was easy. Then
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, hell yeah, bro, I used to my
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: first my years playing all my points was on the block.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I hit a couple of threes, but I was I'm
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: a big two guard, So regardless of nine ten of
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: the people that I play against in the Big three,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to have advantage on the block, you know
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I abused that ship. That's how
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: that's how I had success. But when Joe came, it
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: was over. I ain't the biggest Joe punishing everybody said
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: six two sixty with the hat, all that he had,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: all he had it all. You know, That's been my
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: nemmesis my whole career, though Joe's bust my ass, my whole.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: That's one that we used to go.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: But like Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Joe spunk me around. Joe spun me around one time.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Oh I do remember that.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Because like you can have a string, like like why
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: you'd be so hyped.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: Like a foul happened.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to follow him because he'slumbing around like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: nobody never fall. I made me stumble and Joe swimming around.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: It ain't nobody never made me fall. You know who
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: made me fall?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Flip?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: He made me fall my first preseason game. He was
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: on the Bobcats. He had was in Atlanta the year
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: before and they ain't pick up his house. I was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: on the team first preseason game. He went snatched back.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: I looked at the bench.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Joe Smith had a towel like this smooth was like
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: this baby was standing up to the league. I was hurt.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I was playing defense so hard.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: The next possession, dude like school, you know, flipping like
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: it was the bucket. Get it.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: That's another underwriting for sure. Did y'all win that ship
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: the first year the Big Three? No, No, so I wasn't.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna kill the threes at that time. Trilogy
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: went in and oh that's they went Sean mccamp al
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and Mashaan Mkantz walked everybody down for ten games twenty five.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: You get twenty five, I get twenty five and nobody
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: could goud My Hour and rashawma Camp's go can stop.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: For that first year, they dominated that pressure.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: Isaiah was playing this year on your town. I was like, nigga,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: you're gonna post up the whole game and out here,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: you like, make these.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Gonna make you chase them out there, these motherfuckers. You
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: Way I'm down.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I said the fuck this in this game. And he stopped.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: He stopped posting up.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: And guess what happened.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: They walked us down.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: They walked us down, and he got tired.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: I told him, say, boy, you try to go out
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: these niggas out here.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: I went out it.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be tied. I guess what he did at
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: that the game, dumb file because he was tied to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: walk us down. We're not a fast team. We got
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to use our size. They walked us down.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: It's a big moment in the three.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: That's a that's a historic Big three game right there.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: You speak on the moment, you.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so so what people don't know? So that's that's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends in the world. We talk
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: all the time. So it was just a moment where
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: two competitors. So o Oak wants to win just as
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: bad as I do. We was in Texas, so I
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: feel like anyway in Texas, I can get anybody murdered.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: That's just how I feel.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not live in Texas. You know what I mean.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: I'm just keeping it real.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm say. If I wanted to, I'm
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: a peace I'm a peace with everybody. But if I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to, I could make some shit happen in texts.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was My adrenaline was pumping.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: His adrenaline was pumping. He took me out the game
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: because I was larking the refs. He's like, man, get
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: back in the game, Like I told him something, And
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: it was like I said something, I'm going back in
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: the games. Like no, you're not. I'm like, who's gonna
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: stop me? He's like, I'm gonna stop him. Nigga. You
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: know where you went. I'm just reminded Texas Nigga came
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: back with the hardest shit ever. I'm like American Airlines,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I'm everywhere we're going, we're going back and forth to it.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing because I because I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: got mad when I did not end up winning the game,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: and we had the bar together right after not even
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: talking about it. But that's just our passion for wanting
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to win, you know what I'm saying. Like he knew
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: he needed me in the game for us to win.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't understand that my
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: drelling was pumping, But that's my guy. Now, that's that's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: just two fiery guys, you know what I'm saying, trying
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: to win and just emotions balled over. But that's nobody
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: respect more than Charles.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Og before we got here. Man, tell the people, you
• 1:15:45
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• 1:15:51
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• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen states right now. It's not in Atlanta yet,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: but it's on the west coast of New York that
• 1:16:00
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• 1:16:02
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• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: I'm glad y'all doing the show because a lot of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: people think like me and Matt always try to say
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: it on our show like it ain't no competition. That's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: why I y'all look at my Instagram. I'll be shopping
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: out all kinds of shows all the time, different shows
• 1:16:49
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• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: because I want people to know it's enough for all
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: of us out that they no competition. They won't they
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: want us to think because we're all black and we
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: all have this certain talent to be in front of
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: this camera and to draw people in that we're in competition.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: We're not in competition because we all have our own
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: different stories and people, and our stories are different. So
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I want people to understand that your voice is just
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: as big as anybody else's voice. You know. Just believe
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: in your ship. And that's why I'm glad you're doing
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: y'all shit, bro, and I'm honored to be here.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 4: I'm glad we're gonna do this again.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Man. Before we got out of here, we got asked
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: me about it.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: The VP. Oh, the VP. Oh that was that's a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: good question. So I didn't want so me and Matt
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: argued for four days. When I got to what we
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: did it? Baby? What we do at uh? In DC?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: We went to the VP house. When I got there,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Matt was calling me to this true story. He was
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: calling me to come out to eat. I'm not I'm
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: screening his phone call. I don't want to be here, nigga.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be in politics. I don't want
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to do this on my line. Baby. We at home,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: me and Matt arguing, like we arguing about the shit
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: because the people that support me are not They look
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: at how I look. He at it like answers to
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: equality and to making America the way it's supposed to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: be is not rocket science. It's not rocket science. Bro,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: y'all know how to give equality, to make people equal,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: just just how y'all put people ahead of us. So
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: the same way to do that is to make it
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: equality is real simple, dog, Just give people what they need.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: It's not rocket science.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: So that's why I don't want to be in politics,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of hope dealing. That's the end
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: of the day. They then to hope them. They ain't
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: into actually trying to fix shit. They want you to
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: make They want to make you think that they got
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: the ideas or they got plans to fix shit, and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: shit never gets fixed. So that's why I didn't want
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: to be in politics. And I seen the first hand
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: with the George Fard situation. So when Matt was telling
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: me about going to interview to VP, I'm not with
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: it because the people that support me feel the same
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: way I feel. I don't trust up. I know it's
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: all bullshit. Nobody is really for us. I'm the president
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: of my household, you know what I'm saying. I don't
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: give a fuck about who the president. I'm the president
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: of my shit, you know what I'm saying. And That's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: how I looked at it. So Matt's looking at it
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: as my business side. What is gonna do for our show?
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: What's gonna do fire production Company? I'm not thinking that man,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: fuck that, you know, I'm not you know, So the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: hope even the day before, She'll tell you, I'm in
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: my room, Matt is calling me to come prep. Nigga.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking her phone No, nigga, I can. I
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: can show you messages. I'm gonna show you'll. Let's let
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: you know how real it is, nigga, because y'all my patners.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say you how this, This is how I
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: was doing him when he was sending me to the messages. Bro,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you how I was doing him.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Hey, you don't want to hear about the collar greens, nigga.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: In the tub, Nigga, I don't want to hear about
• 1:19:24
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• 1:19:31
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• 1:19:33
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• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: he texted. He teld me something. I say. He said,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to look.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: He say, So, you're not gonna you're gonna power and
• 1:19:46
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• 1:19:47
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• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to smoke, don't want to hang out,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: don't want.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: To eat nothing.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Do my job. Look, do my job and be out.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: Nigga, He say, big, you want to play CEO D
• 1:19:57
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• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Nigga. Look, I'm seeing me in an asshole. I'm seeing
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: a video an asshole. You know what I'm saying. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: was not talking to him, dogg. So even look Matt
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: said on show that even when we got to the
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: BP house, I'm sitting in there like this. You know me, Jason,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I was mostly on my sleeve. Boy, I can't high.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't want to be here because I know
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: perfect example, I told him that's my wife. I said,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: why don't you go do it? They came back. We
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to do it without him. Because I'm the
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: face of the biggest civil rights movement ever with the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: George Floyd Ship. I know why y'all want me there,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: using me as a pawn. I know what you're doing.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody else might not see it, but I see it.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and I wanted the benefit
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: from the ship. I'm not thinking business wise. Well, I'm
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: glad I did that ship. You know how much shit
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: came for much doing the interview, all kind of ship coming.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: And so Matt was right, and I always follow him
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: with business, you know what I'm saying. But I did
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: not want it, and I still don't want to be
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: in politics, you know what I'm saying. But let me
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: say this too. They say, what's your wife of voting?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: I found my why? What is it? And let me
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: tell you why. I found my why. I can't talk
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: too much about it, but I was recently tased by
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the police from behind. I got stitches in my chin
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: right now, tased from behind just because I was a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: big guy. Recently, Bro and me seeing that George Floyd
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: shit dealing with the police and artist and how they
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: was treating me. Donald Trump is talking about giving police immunity.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: So I found my why. I can't live my life
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: with the police treating y'all, my sons or anybody the
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: way they planning to treat us. Bro. So that's my
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: wife for voting. I just found my why, especially after
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: how they treated me.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know no dumb shit.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: He tased me.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: He told me tats because I was a big guy.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Got I broke two teeth in the back, all that
• 1:21:50
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• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: since being throughing it now. I never voted. I don't
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: believe in politics, but if I had to vote, that
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: would be my why because I don't want him to
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: get police community because they're already treating us like ship.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Just imagine what they're gonna do if they know they
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: can get away.
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  Speaker 2: With it right straight up, We're gonna have all my
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: conversation about that situation.
• 1:22:10
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• 1:22:15
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• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Now, I've been in call of Greens all my life.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: I've never seen him getting.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: Cleaning the bathtub. They take this nigga, Come on, told youth,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry every show, bro, when have you seeing anybody
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: clean grings? They're gonna feel that sync up on both sides.
• 1:22:35
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• 1:22:38
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• 1:22:44
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• 1:22:49
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• 1:22:52
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• 1:22:54
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