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'INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE' MEN, angry and frustrated, murder innocent women · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: What is an n cell I n c L It's
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  Speaker 1: a man who claims he is an involuntary celibate lood.
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  Speaker 1: That's so kN just for a moment, an involuntary celibate
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  Speaker 1: And how does that relate to not only a professional
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  Speaker 1: massus's murder, a woman who has a little girl left
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  Speaker 1: behind without a mom and a string of dead bodies.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace inell in cell involuntary celibate. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know what they're calling themselves
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  Speaker 1: or why, but I know murder when I see it.
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  Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to Global News investigative journalist Stuart Bell. A man allegedly
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  Speaker 1: went into an erotic massage parlor in Toronto called the
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  Speaker 1: Crown Spot. He allegedly attacked a young woman with a
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  Speaker 1: machete and killed her, and then attacked a second woman.
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  Speaker 1: Global News has now learned that police are alligion that
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  Speaker 1: this attack was related to insell ideology. There have been
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  Speaker 1: growing calls for this in cells to be viewed and
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  Speaker 1: to be treated by the authorities as a domestic terrorist threat.
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  Speaker 1: Those of US studding in some movement of arguing that
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  Speaker 1: this terrrisment for a long time. I in his ideological
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  Speaker 1: violence talked to out civilians, you know, intended to spread
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  Speaker 1: a political message, all kind of spread cycle Conferna talking
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  Speaker 1: to the community. So it takes every book in terms
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  Speaker 1: of terrorism. They may call it terrorism, you may call
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  Speaker 1: it whatever you wish, but I know this. A young
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  Speaker 1: man stabs a woman to death inside her massage parlor
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  Speaker 1: with a sword. He is linked to the quote insell movement.
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  Speaker 1: And he's not the only one. Take a listen now
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  Speaker 1: to CBC Knees reporter Ellen Morrow, twenty four year old
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Noel Arzaga was killed. A loving mother to a
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  Speaker 1: young daughter and now a victim of terrorism, says the
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  Speaker 1: RCMP crime was in fact one in which the accused
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  Speaker 1: was inspired by the violent extremist movement commonly known as Insall.
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  Speaker 1: And so today the charges against the seventeen year old
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  Speaker 1: male suspect in the February stabbing at a Toronto massage
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  Speaker 1: parlor were upgraded, the first time an alleged INSALL inspired
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  Speaker 1: killing has been formally labeled as terrorism by police. As
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  Speaker 1: we need to name things properly in order to deal
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  Speaker 1: with them well, and a kind of a path towards
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  Speaker 1: ending this kind of violence. The path toward ending this
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  Speaker 1: kind of violence I as soon would start with identifying
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  Speaker 1: and targeting so called in cells with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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  Speaker 1: together again with me. Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: Court TV anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst, joining me from Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Cloyd Styger thirty six years Seattle PD,
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  Speaker 1: twenty two of that homicide. Author of Seattle's Forgotten Killer.
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  Speaker 1: Gary Jane Grant on Amazon, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University
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  Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet also on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Deaf investigator Joseph Scott Morgan. But right now to leave
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  Speaker 1: my page. Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about the machete murder at the Crown Spa?
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  Speaker 1: So Nancy, This seventeen year old was charged with murder
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  Speaker 1: when he went to a massage spa in Toronto and
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  Speaker 1: he killed hated death twenty four year old Ashley Noel Arzaka.
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  Speaker 1: She had a little daughter as well that she left behind.
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  Speaker 1: And the motive is is that he apparently was inspired
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  Speaker 1: by in cell killers in the past. And these are
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  Speaker 1: people that go on online communities and they blame women
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  Speaker 1: for not being able to have a sexual partner. They
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  Speaker 1: also they call these women stacy's and they also blame
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  Speaker 1: men that get a lot of dates and are very
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  Speaker 1: popular with women. They call them chats. They're very angry,
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  Speaker 1: they talk nonsense about them online. They blame all their
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  Speaker 1: problems in life on these women and men that they
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  Speaker 1: feel are more attractive than them. And they're very missogynistic.
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  Speaker 1: They feel that they entitled to have sexual encounters with women.
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  Speaker 1: And this teenager was apparently inspired after going on these
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  Speaker 1: fringe websites on the internet. Guys in this case, a
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  Speaker 1: young mother to a little girl is now dead, hacked
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  Speaker 1: dead at her massage parlor place of business by a
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  Speaker 1: young man who is part of an in cell group. Now,
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  Speaker 1: another thing that we know is he allegedly was partially
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  Speaker 1: inspired by a guy named Elliott Roger. But as Jackie
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  Speaker 1: here has pointed out, in the same jurisdiction, another in
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  Speaker 1: cell takes action. Take a listen to CBC News correspondent
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  Speaker 1: Diana Swain accused is alleged to have posted a cryptic
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  Speaker 1: message on Facebook minutes before he began driving the rented van.
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  Speaker 1: Not post begins with what maybe a reference to his
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  Speaker 1: failed army experience private recruit Menascian infantry, and then the
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  Speaker 1: in cell rebellion has already begun. All hail the supreme Gentleman,
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Roger. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted
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  Speaker 1: to me, but I will punish you all for it.
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  Speaker 1: Roger killed six people in a rampage in California four
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  Speaker 1: years ago, posting this ranting video just before. He was
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  Speaker 1: angry about being rebuffed by women, making him a so
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  Speaker 1: called in cell or involuntary celibate. Maxim Fisette works for
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  Speaker 1: a center that tracks websites with extreme and violent views,
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  Speaker 1: including in cell sites. They have this huge resentment towards
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  Speaker 1: society and women, mostly women, because they feel that women
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  Speaker 1: are rejecting them. They feel that women are rejecting them,
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  Speaker 1: and they hold up a guy named Elliott Rogers as
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  Speaker 1: their their leader. Take a listen now again to CBC
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  Speaker 1: News correspondent Diana Swain, journalist across the country and around
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  Speaker 1: the world, we're grappling with a new term in the
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  Speaker 1: wake of the Toronto van attack, one most of us
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  Speaker 1: had never heard. On Facebook, police say, he wrote, the
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  Speaker 1: in cell rebellion has already begun. In cell? Is it
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  Speaker 1: to our meaning involuntary celibate? Many of those who call
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  Speaker 1: themselves in cell identify with this man, some even praising
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  Speaker 1: him for acting on his anger over being turned down
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  Speaker 1: by women by going on a murderous rampage four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: In a video he posted before the attack, Roger spoke
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  Speaker 1: about women rejecting his advances. Self described in cells mostly
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  Speaker 1: congregate online and often fit a similar description. Mostly comprised
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  Speaker 1: of young men's, most of them being white. The subculture
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  Speaker 1: even has its own terms, chands and Stacey's, referred to
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  Speaker 1: regular men and women who are having sex, the common
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  Speaker 1: themes being anger, alienation, and misogyny. Straight out to Leavi
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  Speaker 1: page Crime online dot com LEVI, first, we had the
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  Speaker 1: attack on the young mom. They massus at her massage parlor,
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  Speaker 1: leaving her daughter without a mom. What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the Toronto van attack. So this happened in
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  Speaker 1: Canada and the suspect Alec Minissan. He deliberately targeted pedestrians
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  Speaker 1: in the business district of Toronto, which is a very
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  Speaker 1: busy intersection there, and he took this vandity had printed
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  Speaker 1: and rammed it into this busy intersection. He killed ten
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  Speaker 1: people and injured sixteen, some critically. And he was also
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  Speaker 1: inspired by the in cell movement, claiming that he was
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  Speaker 1: rejected by women sexually, and he was very angry about
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  Speaker 1: it and wanted to take out all of his angst
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  Speaker 1: on these people. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about the so called in cell movement, in
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  Speaker 1: voluntary sulivans, men who don't let me just say euphemistically
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  Speaker 1: have girlfriends or romantic partners, and somehow they twist that
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  Speaker 1: end to a misogynistic and homicidal rage against all women. Clearly,
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  Speaker 1: in the last two cases we told you about the
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  Speaker 1: van attack and the machete attack on a young massus.
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  Speaker 1: The killers didn't know their female victims, but those victims
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  Speaker 1: represented something to the killer rejection. Many of the so
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  Speaker 1: called insals hold up a guy called the Virgin Killer,
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Rogers, as I guess their founder and mascot the
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  Speaker 1: Insall Revolution. Well, let me let you decide what you
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  Speaker 1: make of Elliott Roger. Here he is talking on YouTube. Hi,
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  Speaker 1: Elliot Roger here, Well, this is my last video. It
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  Speaker 1: all has to come to this. Tomorrow is the day
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  Speaker 1: of retribution, the day in which I will have my
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  Speaker 1: revenge against humanity, against all of you. For the last
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  Speaker 1: eight years of my life, ever since I've hit puberty,
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  Speaker 1: I've been forced to endure an existence of loneliness, rejection,
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  Speaker 1: and unfulfilled desires. Oh, because girls have never been attracted
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  Speaker 1: to me. Girls gave their affection and sex and love
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  Speaker 1: to other men, but never to me. I'm twenty two
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  Speaker 1: years old and still a virgin. Two. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Wait, Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: I want a little bit more fat back up on
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  Speaker 1: Elliot's Roger before we analyze him. To leave my page,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about Elliott Roger and the crimes he committed.
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  Speaker 1: So Eliot Roger twenty two years old and in twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen he terrorized the Isla Vista community near Spanta, Barbara, California.
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  Speaker 1: He killed six people, wounded a dozen, and they committed suicide.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, he stabbed three men in his apartment,
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  Speaker 1: went to a frat house because remember he's very angry
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  Speaker 1: at you know, young attractive guys. He couldn't get in,
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  Speaker 1: so he shot three women who just happened to be
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  Speaker 1: outside that all. And then he started driving around similar
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  Speaker 1: to the Toronto Ateque, and started hitting people with his cars.
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  Speaker 1: He wounded several people, ultimately shot himself, and as you
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  Speaker 1: heard in that audio, he was angry about being a
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  Speaker 1: virgin and did several videos lamenting his unpopularity. Okay, jump
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  Speaker 1: in bathany well, Nancy. I think they may use their
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  Speaker 1: hatred of women as a rationalization for being homicidal. But
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  Speaker 1: to me, they're no different than any other group that
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  Speaker 1: goes in and does a mass shooting in a school,
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  Speaker 1: a university, a synagogue, a church, a mosque. That these men,
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  Speaker 1: as I've often said, are what we call injustice collectors.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the injustice is, they simmer, They are resentful, and
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  Speaker 1: they collect these injustices throughout their childhood and their adolescence.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, these insults say that they are angry
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  Speaker 1: at women for not finding them a practive or having
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  Speaker 1: them as sexual partners. I think this is just a
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  Speaker 1: rationalization for committing murder. I think these women are just
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  Speaker 1: symbols to them. They're putting a face to every person
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  Speaker 1: throughout the history of their life who they feel has
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  Speaker 1: diminished or slighted them. Unfortunately, women like xenophobia have become
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  Speaker 1: a class or a group of people who just represent
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  Speaker 1: all of their hatred. Much like when let's say Ahmed
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  Speaker 1: Arbery was killed. It's the same psychology. And although in
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  Speaker 1: that case African Americans became the symbol for all the
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  Speaker 1: perpetrators rage. I could use another term for Elliott Rogers
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  Speaker 1: and we would call it a power rapist. A power
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  Speaker 1: rapist is somebody who wants to have power over women
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  Speaker 1: and often tries to have power over people in every
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  Speaker 1: other part of his life. But in this case it
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  Speaker 1: just got enacted towards women rather than say, coworkers or
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  Speaker 1: other students at a school. Well, as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: this is Ashley. Can I just jump in, I just
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  Speaker 1: such their best so calm? Who can be calm about those?
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  Speaker 1: I mean not that you shouldn't not be calm, doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: that's your expertise, But I'm just saying I cannot sit
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  Speaker 1: quiet any longer because they're committing crimes. None of what
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  Speaker 1: they're citing as a reason. And oh they're involuntary celibacy.
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  Speaker 1: That is not a reason to commit crimes. That is
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  Speaker 1: not a reason to be violent. So I think it's
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  Speaker 1: the first. I think they're coming up with some excuse
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  Speaker 1: for why they want to go out there and to
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  Speaker 1: hurt people, And I just can't stomach it. You know, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: I was going to go to you regarding all of
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  Speaker 1: the festering and they gnashing of teeth and switching of
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  Speaker 1: tails online. How online they kind of build some type
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  Speaker 1: of a spree decorp amongst themselves and whip themselves into
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  Speaker 1: a frenzy. But doctor Bethany just says she compares this
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  Speaker 1: to a power of rape. And as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany after virgin killer Elliot Rogers goes on his
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  Speaker 1: shooting rampage at the Alpha Pite sorority house, it turns
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  Speaker 1: out he admitted to a friend who was among thirty
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  Speaker 1: people that received his murderous manifesto, that he wanted to
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  Speaker 1: hold women down and rape them. So it's all intertwined.
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  Speaker 1: But let's hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to Elliott Roger, the so called virgin killer who
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  Speaker 1: murdered multiple young women outside of sorority house, talking retribution
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube has been very tortuous. College is the time
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  Speaker 1: when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun
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  Speaker 1: and pleasure. In those years, I've had to rot in loneliness.
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  Speaker 1: It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me,
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  Speaker 1: but I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice,
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  Speaker 1: a crime, because I don't know what you don't see
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  Speaker 1: in me. I'm the perfect guy, and yet you throw
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  Speaker 1: yourselves and all these obnoxious men instead of me, the
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  Speaker 1: supreme gentleman. Okay, just trying to soak that in to
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  Speaker 1: you leave my page. This guy has been brought up
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  Speaker 1: with a silver spoon in his mouth. Who is his dad? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I think his dad was a doctor, wasn't He came
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  Speaker 1: from a very well to do family. I thought his
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  Speaker 1: dad was like a movie direct Yeah. His dad's a
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  Speaker 1: movie director, a really big movie Yeah. Yeah, that's a ticket.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy's a movie director. Forget the whole doctor thing. I
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  Speaker 1: think I gotta equipped another out of influential father. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: another in celle, but the dad, Jackie Google from me.
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  Speaker 1: His dad directed a lot of blockbuster movies. This guy
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  Speaker 1: is raised in your neck of the woods, Doctor Bethany,
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  Speaker 1: right there, in La cruising up and down Rodeo drive
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  Speaker 1: as they say. Take another listen to Elliott Roger talking
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  Speaker 1: his word not Mine retribution on YouTube. The day of Retribution,
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  Speaker 1: I Am going to enter the hottest sorority house of
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  Speaker 1: UCSP and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck up,
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  Speaker 1: blonde slut I see inside there, all those girls that
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  Speaker 1: I've desired so much. They would have all rejected me
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  Speaker 1: and looked down upon me as inferior man if I
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  Speaker 1: ever made a sexual advance towards them while they throw
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  Speaker 1: themselves at these obnoxious brutes, I'll take great pleasure in
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  Speaker 1: slaughtering all of you. You will finally see. But I
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  Speaker 1: am in true the superior one, the true alpha male. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: after I've annihilated every single girl in the sorority house,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay
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  Speaker 1: every single person I see there climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a movement called in cell Involuntary Celibates.
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  Speaker 1: Their founder, their mascot is Elliot Rogers. His dad produced directed,
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  Speaker 1: Excuse Me, assistant director to the Hunger Games series of movies,
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  Speaker 1: and so many more. This guy Elliot Rogers was born
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  Speaker 1: with a silver spoon in his mouth, yet his hatred
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  Speaker 1: of women. It's all who will be remembered for in
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  Speaker 1: addition to being a killer. Listen to Elliot Rogers in
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  Speaker 1: his own words. Hey, Elliot Roger here, I'm up in
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  Speaker 1: the hills in mont Cito right now. It's truly a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful day. But as I've always said, a beautiful environment
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  Speaker 1: is the darkest hell if you have to experience it
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  Speaker 1: all alone. And sadly, I've been alone for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. I've been attending college in Santa Barbara for
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  Speaker 1: about two and a half years now. In those two
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  Speaker 1: and a half years, I've experienced nothing but loneliness and misery.
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  Speaker 1: And my problem is girls. There are so many beautiful
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  Speaker 1: girls here, but none of them give me a chance.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I don't know why you
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  Speaker 1: girls are so repulsed by me. Well, apparently women pick
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  Speaker 1: up on his bad vibes. I won't touch him with
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  Speaker 1: a ten foot poll. On the other hand, men across
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  Speaker 1: the country are feeding off hatred online on misogynistic websites,
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  Speaker 1: including a man who gets a gun and heads to
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  Speaker 1: a Tallahassee hot yoga studio. Listen to this. No one
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  Speaker 1: wasn't address the emergency. And then Hot Yoga Talahassee Betton's place. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what's a common stool road? Somebody came into yoga studio.
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  Speaker 1: What's a gun and shotman? We had a couple of
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  Speaker 1: people walk into him. There might be an active shooter
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  Speaker 1: down gone at the end of the year. Okay, and
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  Speaker 1: then down near the hot yoga by chance, because we
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  Speaker 1: do have a call reference to someone who possibly shout
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  Speaker 1: in yeah the hot yoga Yeah, okay, all right, have
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  Speaker 1: you guys seen anything down that way at all? A
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  Speaker 1: hurt anything? We've got We've got one person that was
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  Speaker 1: leading that came in. I was not in the studio
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  Speaker 1: when there was a shooting. Nyama's Kindagoria food and the
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  Speaker 1: person who saw the shooting came to answer Jugloria's food
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  Speaker 1: for help. Okay, around we have we have been shot. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: shot in Suo Gloria Food. Okay, you're hearing part of
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  Speaker 1: a NYE wall and call. There at a hot yoga studio.
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  Speaker 1: They're at Tallahassee where a huge university nearby the studio
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  Speaker 1: catering to the young women there. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: more of that nine one one, call, three? Got everybody?
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  Speaker 1: Really hit he's still there? Wait, what's your store colding? Hey? Okay, Carla,
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  Speaker 1: are you looking like three box MANU? Okay? We hey, okay,
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  Speaker 1: calm down, baby. We got him on the way. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: they got him on the way. Are you going to say, play?
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  Speaker 1: What's the store? Cold? Has yo got kills? Wait? What's
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  Speaker 1: your store? Colding? You'll think, okay, we got them? What's
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  Speaker 1: your name? The hitters still there? I think he shot
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  Speaker 1: on their people, but I okay, if you have to
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  Speaker 1: see her out of the shooter. Yeah, he was like
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  Speaker 1: and he was like call. He was wearing white ray shorts.
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  Speaker 1: He was kind of happy, you gotta belly. He was
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  Speaker 1: wearing a hard camp. He came in tide the room
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  Speaker 1: when he wore shooting out everybody really okay, people down
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  Speaker 1: in the floor that he shot? Okay, people down here,
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  Speaker 1: like three okay? Three? Three or four? People? Okay. You're
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  Speaker 1: hearing the terror in the voice of those women. A
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  Speaker 1: forty year old gunman opens fire on a Tallahassee yoga class,
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  Speaker 1: killing a twenty one year old and a female doctor
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  Speaker 1: who happened to be there before shooting five others listen
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  Speaker 1: to this this morning. Troubling new details are emerging about
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  Speaker 1: the man responsible for the deadly shooting at a Tallahassee
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  Speaker 1: yoga studio. Police identifying the gunman as forty year old
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  Speaker 1: Scott Paul Barley. Authorities say he killed two people on
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  Speaker 1: Friday and shot five others before taking his own life.
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  Speaker 1: It appears Barley posted dozens of misogynistic and racist videos
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. The videos, which were not widely viewed, have
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  Speaker 1: been removed by YouTube because of their offensive content. According
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  Speaker 1: to arrest records, Barley had a history of harassing women
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  Speaker 1: in Florida. According to one Tallahassee police incident report, in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, he was arrested for battery for grabbing girls
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  Speaker 1: butts near FSU campus. A twenty sixteen arrest report for
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  Speaker 1: battery states that Barley approached a woman at a Tallahassee
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  Speaker 1: area pool and slapped her butt, grabbed it, and shook it.
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  Speaker 1: Both charges were eventually dropped to climb onlines LEVI page
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  Speaker 1: Who is Scott Barley? What happened in the hot yoga studios? So?
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  Speaker 1: Scott Barley is different from the other young men that
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  Speaker 1: we've mentioned. He's older, he's forty years old, and he
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  Speaker 1: said that he in a YouTube video he made. He
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: said it was titled the Flight of the Adolescent. Now
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  Speaker 1: he compared himself, his younger self to Aaron Rodgers. And
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  Speaker 1: he made also a video called Rebirth of My Misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: So he's very angry at women. And he went to
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  Speaker 1: a hot yoga studio in Tallahassee and killed sixty one
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  Speaker 1: year old, shot sixty one year old Nancy van Visam
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  Speaker 1: and twenty one year old Laura Binkley straight out to death.
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  Speaker 1: Investigator and professor forensic jacksonvill State University Joseph Scott, Morgan
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, how do you go into a scene like
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  Speaker 1: that right there at FSU's doorsteps, a yoga studio that
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  Speaker 1: caters to the young women at FSU, and make sense
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  Speaker 1: of a crime scene where I believe seven or eight
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  Speaker 1: people were shocked. It's an absolute hellish nightmare as an
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  Speaker 1: investigator because you have to disconnect your kind of human
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  Speaker 1: side from you know what you have to do as
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  Speaker 1: an investigator, get your mind right before you go in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, Nancy, the fact that it's Tallahassee,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that it's right off campus from FSU. You
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  Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: about Ted Bundy and how he walked into the sorority
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  Speaker 1: house there, crept into it and beat those girls to
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  Speaker 1: death in there, and you know that kind of hearkens
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  Speaker 1: back to that moment, Tom, and I think he shares
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  Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. It's a very kind of disorganized
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  Speaker 1: event that takes place. It's brutal, it's bloody. You've got
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  Speaker 1: evidence everywhere, and you have to process this scene very
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  Speaker 1: very carefully because you don't really know at that moment
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  Speaker 1: in time when all of this is going down. You know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: people at home might not understand this when all this
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: is a dynamic environment. So when you show up as
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: an investigator at the scene, you have to work each
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: in every case as if it will be a prosecutable case.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: In this case, this individual took his own life. But
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to be able to handle the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: case and process it so that you're going to cover
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: every jot and tittle along the way, so that you
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to miss anything, because the devil is in
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the details. You've got brass spent brass, it's laying everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: You've got ammunition that has our browns that have passed
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: through bodies. You've got broken glass, you've got blood, people
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  Speaker 1: trying to literally scurry for their life, and there's blood everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you'll have cross trails of blood where people
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: will trek through other people's blood many times, and it
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: will tell a story about the horror that these people
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: experienced at the hands of an individual like this, very
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: similar to what happened with Ted Bundy to our friend
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  Speaker 1: Cloyd's Tiger thirty six years Seattle, pg. Twenty two of
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  Speaker 1: that on homicide. This guy barely had been banned from campus.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason for that. He had been grabbing women's behind,
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  Speaker 1: touching them, fondling them until the point he was banned,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but nothing was done. Yeah, you know, that's the problem,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: is there's not There's only so much you can do
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  Speaker 1: because all that stuff as misdemeanors. You can trespass the
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  Speaker 1: guy from there. And I've been to like Joe Scott
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: was munching. I've been I don't know how many mass
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: shooting scenes at workplaces, in private homes, at college campuses,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and is it's a mess, and you have sometimes dozens
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  Speaker 1: or hundreds of witnesses to interview, and yeah, just the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: problem is there's not much you can do for people
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  Speaker 1: just doing things at a misdemeanor level and you know
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  Speaker 1: they're bad news, or even if they're crazy, you know
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  Speaker 1: their mental health laws are not efficient to prevent violence
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  Speaker 1: from these people who show all these warning signs. Time
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, all the warning signs were there.
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  Speaker 1: More in cell attacks have occurred, an attack and a
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  Speaker 1: spa where a young massus, a mother of a little girl,
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  Speaker 1: was killed with a machete by an in cell van
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  Speaker 1: killing in the same jurisdiction by an in cell up
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  Speaker 1: another young woman. Their leader. Their posthumous mascot, Elliott Rogers,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is so called Virgin Killer. But now we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: Scott Berley, a forty year old in cell already banned
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  Speaker 1: from FSU campus. I want you to take a listen
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to Scott Berley himself speaking on YouTube. Girls. If you
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: want to know or curious why in part guys are
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: so anxious and aggressive and in a hurry, just watch
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: any number of of television shows that have like thirteen
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: fourteen year olds. Let me forget about high school students
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: as as their characters going on dates and doing any
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: any variety of things. He's what blaming thirteen and fourteen
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  Speaker 1: year old girls, I guess girls on TV that have
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: dates for his misogyny. Did you hear that to doctor
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall? Why is he blaming TV characters? Well, all
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of these in cell perpetrators have in common this extraordinary
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: sense of victimization, that bad things are happening to them
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  Speaker 1: at the hands of women, and as if they have
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  Speaker 1: no agency in their life. You know, go get an education,
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  Speaker 1: go work out, go socialize yourself, go do something so
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  Speaker 1: that you can become appealing to the women around you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: But they are not acting on their own behalf. They're
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: just blaming other people. Bethany, I have a problem with
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: what you just said because I don't I want to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: look again. I'm just a trial lawyer. But I don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: think anybody should go to school, go work out, try
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  Speaker 1: to go to law school, try to write a book,
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  Speaker 1: try to impress somebody else, or to try to get
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: them to like you or date you. You do you're
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: thinking about good mental health. You're thinking that I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what I'm talking What you're talking about is
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in a healthy population, you can trust that you're loved
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  Speaker 1: by another person. You don't have to keep doing more
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and more to earn their trust or love. But I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: talking about stars. You just said something I try to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: tell John, David and Lucy that don't if you have
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  Speaker 1: a friend, and I guess when you get older, you
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: could say girlfriend, boyfriend that you feel you've got to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: act a certain way, or you have to be cool,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: or you have to look a certain way, or you
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: have to have the cool devices or that. No, you
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  Speaker 1: need to be friends with somebody that likes you just
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  Speaker 1: the way you are. You know what, Beth, My husband David,
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  Speaker 1: when he sees me all done up for TV, He's like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you know what, you look beautiful, but I just like
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  Speaker 1: it with no makeup or at all, the real you
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  Speaker 1: Now see, that's love right there. I don't have to
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  Speaker 1: be a certain way for him to love me. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: want you to listen, Beth, and it's particularly you to
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Scott be Eily talking again. Why do they take to YouTube?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: They do listen. I feel compulsion now to discuss and
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: address the origins of my misogynism and in the rebirth,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and when it was reborn, nobody, nobody emerges out of
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the one particular way or viewing or seeing one particular
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: group of people one particular way. It occurs over a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: source of accumulated experiences, or maybe it's one perpetual individual.
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  Speaker 1: I know a girl and I was teaching. I hated
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: her mom and she was kind of a didn't she Well,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that's a whole other story. He's starting to ramble, but
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: he's trying to explain why he's having a rebirth of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a misogyny. But here's the reality. Let's go to cut four.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Blanca decoc and parents describing what
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: happened at the hands of an in cell. See his face.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He smiles at me and just starts shooting, like like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: a smirky, grimacey smile. But it was a smile. He
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: was just he wanted to do this. He looked happy
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  Speaker 1: about it. I honestly, first of all, it didn't seem real.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, is this rubber bullets? And then I realized
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  Speaker 1: I'm bleeding, I'm in pain. I had to call my mom.
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  Speaker 1: I just told her I've been shot. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. It's crazy, but I love you. I'm afraid
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna die so much, so much I love you
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  Speaker 1: so much. I'm angry that it happened and that it
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: does still happen. We need to change this violence. How
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: did he slip through the cracks? Shouldn't happen. She's describing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: an in cell looking at her and smiling at her,
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  Speaker 1: somebody she doesn't even know, before shooting her and all
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the other young women standing around. What is the in
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: cell movement? What is insell retribution? Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Elliott Roger. They insall hero so to speak on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: I should be the one with the girls. I mean,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: look at me, I'm gorgeous, but you girls don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're so repulsed by me. Why
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  Speaker 1: won't you give me a chance? It's ridiculous. I mean
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the other day I was doing some grocery shopping at
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Traitor Joe's, and I was, of course all alone, as
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I always am, which makes me feel so miserable. Anyway,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I was doing my shopping and I see this, this
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: like disgusting looking loser. Well he's a loser in my opinion,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and he walks in with these two beautiful blonde girls
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  Speaker 1: at his side. I couldn't believe my eyes. I was
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: so insulted by that because I should be the one
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: with the girls. By is constant YouTube musings along with
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: be Early and others, we get a look into the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: mindset of killers. Hey, Ash Ashley, I guarantee you the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in cell movement is going to turn into a defense,
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  Speaker 1: a legal defense like the Twinkie defense or the PMS defense,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the in cell defense. I see it. It's it's shaping
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: up right now. The problem is, first of all, listening
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to him talk when woe is me, I'm alone and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that person's a loser. It's almost impossible for me to stomach.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Having said that, the problem is when you have a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: movement and it's online, you have so many other men
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: out there who feel the same and start to say, hey,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a part to this movement because I feel the
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: same way and it's a movement, it's okay for me.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna engage in violence because that's what this movement
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: is about, and it's righteous and it's a good thing.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And then they start committing these crimes. So I agree
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: with you, Nancy, that's going to translate into hohe It's
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a movement and there's this whole philosophy behind it. No, no, no,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: no no, these are crimes. Committing crimes is not okay,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: regardless of what one misguided individual is posting as a
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: movement on YouTube. Nancy, can I make a super quick
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: comment about Elliott Rodgers. Look at me, I'm gorgeous. This
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: loser walks into the trader chose with these two beautiful women,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: and why does he have them? Why not me? We
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: were talking earlier that you say to John David and Lucy,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you know, if somebody loves you, they should love you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: just for who you are. You don't have to keep
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: doing more and more. On the other hand, when John
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: David gets married, he can't just sit on a sofa
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: eating chips and popcorn while his wife goes and works.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: That would be called entitlement, right You, Once you get
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: into a relationship, you continue to have to invest and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: do something for it. You're not entitled to love just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: because you're fantastic. And what Elliott Rogers is talking about
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: is a sick, perverted entitlement to love and sex and
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: intimacy just because he's gorgeous. He doesn't feel he has
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to do anything to get it. It should just come
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: to him. We also see grandiosity in all of these,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: these misogynistic ramblings, and this is what we see with
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: all personality disorders, entitlement and grandiosity. It just has become
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: packaged in a different homicidal horn. And those are the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: red flags to look for. The in cell and voluntary
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: celibate movement is afoot and is shaping up to me
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: the next new legal defense to murder. We wait as
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,