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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Hey.
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Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, brother?
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Speaker 2: What's up, man? Good to see you. What's going on?
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This is a good time for you to come in, man,
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right after this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Holy shit. Pretty good time, brother.
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Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Hamsa fight and
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the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro,
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how fucking good is Joshua Vann? And he's only been
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fighting about five years.
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Speaker 3: That's what's scary.
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Speaker 2: Crazy.
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Speaker 3: Five years.
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Speaker 2: Crazy. And he has some holes, for.
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Speaker 3: Sure, that certain guys are going to expose.
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Speaker 2: He's not the best on the ground. He's also 24.
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He's also 24.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing, it might be the
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best in the UFC. It's up there. It's up there.
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Him or Ilya. Yeah. Well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya
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is Ilya is one punch, night-night. That's the difference.
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Speaker 3: It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist. But
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then also Josh.
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Speaker 2: David Davison, Figueredo. True. True. He was starching people.
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Speaker 3: He was. But with Josh too, again, he's 24. But
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in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches
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with his face.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: That's the other thing.
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Speaker 2: Like his defense was so bad. I think it was
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that Joshua Vann's offense was so good. You know what?
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I think it's a combo of both. Yeah. It's a
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combo of both.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: For sure. Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean,
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he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter and he did strike.
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I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out
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of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just
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the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like I rewatched
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some of it today and I was like, good Lord,
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that's pretty. So good. He looks so good. And again, 24. And,
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you know, it took all the stink off of the
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way he won the title. Yeah, but not me.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure not you. But there's a lot of questions
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that haven't been answered.
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Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Because Pantoja's a motherfucker. Pantoja's a straight
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up assassin.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: How would he do against Pantoja? Hey, man. But again.
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His stock went up after this fight. I'll tell you that. Look,
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it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat.
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Tyra got him on the ground. Wasn't able to submit him.
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Joshua Vange paced him up on the feet, man.
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Speaker 3: But again, at 24, so let's say they do the
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Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win.
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Speaker 2: All good? He's 24.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: He's going to be your champ for a very long time.
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And how old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point? Not young.
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In flyweight years, he's 67.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, flyweight's tough.
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Speaker 2: 36. 36. Yeah, that's tough.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, hmm.
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That's the beginning of the slide. Right? That's the beginning
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of the slide. Yeah. For welterweight, you're like, ooh. Yeah.
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But at flyweight. Oh, bro. It's crazy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime.
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Speaker 3: Oh, we're cooking it.
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Speaker 2: Look at Francis. Yeah. Francis is like 38 or something.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Is he 38?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Francis is in his fucking prime. Nobody looks at Francis
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and goes, oh, he's over the hill. Oh, never.
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Speaker 1: Not at all. No.
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Speaker 3: There's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing,
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especially now. The heavyweight divisions.
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Speaker 2: How old's Volkov?
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Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think
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he is.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a
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Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And remember he had in Bellator.
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Speaker 3: And then when he first got the UFC, he had
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that Moana tattoo on his back.
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Speaker 2: He had the sting, right? And he changed it into
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that Japanese mask.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I like this.
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Speaker 3: The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope.
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Speaker 2: It's so dope.
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Speaker 3: I like to think I'm the one that kind of
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bullied him into doing that because it's all I ever
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talked about for like six years when he fought. Oh, no.
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And he comes out with just this dope-ass samurai tattoo.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, there it is. Well, sometimes you realize, like,
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this ain't making it. I got to fix this. Yeah,
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especially that.
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Speaker 3: People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking
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stingray on your back?
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Speaker 2: Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have?
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That motherfucker's feet are tattooed. Bro. Like, his entire body's tattooed.
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How good did he look? Phenomenal.
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Speaker 3: Phenomenal. I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for
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betting picks before the fights. MMA's tough, dude.
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Speaker 2: MMA's tough to fucking pick.
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Speaker 3: So with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I told
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my brother, I'm like, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady.
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Because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before.
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He's like, I'm not even working on grappling. I'm not
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wrestling or grappling. I'm just going to keep this thing
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standing and knock this motherfucker out.
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, buddy. No way. He really said that? Yeah,
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you can find it out there, Jimmy. But that could
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have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get
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Sean Brady. Because Sean Brady probably saw that interview, too. Yeah,
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and was like, cool, say less.
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Speaker 3: I know, but I mean— Ten, seven rounds?
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Speaker 2: Three of them? I know. It was nuts. But I mean,
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you could say that— I hear you. If you were
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just playing mental games. I get you. But maybe he
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actually did that. And it appeared so. Well, hard to say,
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because that's how good Sean Brady is.
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Speaker 3: Hard to say. It's just tough when you lose like that.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Because you go back to the locker room and you're like, fuck,
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we're not even in the same— No. Like I'm– what
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am I going to do? You look at your coaching
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staff and you go, what are we going to do?
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I thought I was a top five guy. I just
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got beat 10-6, three rounds in a row.
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Speaker 2: Okay. I was going to bring this up. So I
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have some insight to this. So there was a very
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strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless.
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BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from– Plus
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150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So
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this is what happened. There was money that moved very
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quickly before the fight. And the UFC, obviously, because they've
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been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and
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the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so I
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believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you
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could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore.
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I don't know what the– let's find out what the
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cap they put on it was. But then you they
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were going to go ahead with the fight, but they
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wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So
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this was the fear. The fear was that some inside
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camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury, and
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then all the money jumps up. Because a lot of
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times that's what happens.
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Speaker 3: But they did it right because before they would just
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cancel the fight.
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Speaker 2: Like, we don't know what's going on here. We're just
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going to cancel the fight. No, just take the fight
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off the betting sites. Well, they only did that one time.
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They did that one time with Alexander Hernandez. I don't
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remember who he was fighting. I don't remember who Alexander
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Hernandez was fighting. But they did that with that fight.
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And I thought that was really crazy. They asked Alexander, like,
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are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. Like, I am
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planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he
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became an underdog. Nothing came out from it either. No.
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Speaker 3: Like, I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, okay,
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we looked into it. It's our bat, this, you know.
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But they just canceled the fight.
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Speaker 2: And so everyone, now we just assume. Something happened. Something happened.
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Somebody's being dirty. Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and
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lost his next fight. Fuck, who did he fight? He
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fought someone on a fight night. It was a very
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good fight. Very close fight. The dude was very good.
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But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh,
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Michael Johnson. That's right. It was supposed to be Michael Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: But they didn't. have that fight, and then who did
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he fight next instead? So let's just go over this
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real quick before we figure out who he fought. It
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made suspicious betting movement. So what is suspicious betting movement?
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Like what if you and your boys all go, fuck it,
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I'm going all in, and you just decide to bet $ 100, 000
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on Buckley? Will that change it that dramatically? I think
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we're talking millions.
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Speaker 1: According to this, I think it's that they had certain–
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I think they have certain accounts that they knew– Oh,
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were shady? Not shady, but, I mean, there might be
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particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always
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were betting, you know, $ 200, 000 a fight or whatever, and
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maybe one or two of them changed.
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Speaker 2: Gross.
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Speaker 3: Two of the judges scored that fight 30-25.
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Speaker 1: Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.
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Speaker 2: Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 2: Bro, you better get a new account.
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Speaker 3: Figure it out.
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Speaker 2: They're on to you, bitch.
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Speaker 1: They also said that they called Sean Brady to hear
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at the bottom. I was going to point out. Someone
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called him to let him know, and he's like, well,
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I'm fine.
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Speaker 2: I love it. He goes, I'm going to beat the
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shit out of this guy. What are you talking about?
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And they're like, yeah, you're good to go. I think
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that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too. That's a bummer. Yeah,
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it is a bummer. But you can also.
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Speaker 3: Understand from the UFC standpoint, because when it happened, especially
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then— They're.
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Speaker 2: Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
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Speaker 2: No, they're in a bad spot right now with that
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because until that gets resolved, look, the fight game has
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always been connected to fucking shady people.
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Speaker 1: Always.
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Speaker 2: That's the Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront. Always. I
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could have been a contender.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's who he lost to. Oh, that's right. Hoffa Garcia.
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Very good fight. Very good fight. Hoffa did a phenomenal job.
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Speaker 3: But I think, too, back to the betting, I think
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that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters
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are getting so much hate. Because if you have a
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9 to 5 and you make $ 1, 000 a week and
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you put $ 500 on, say, Hamzat and he loses that $ 500,
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that's why it's so toxic now. Because, yeah, your guy's losing,
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but now it's costing you money. So I think that's
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why fighters gain so much more hate these days than
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they did even when I was fighting.
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Speaker 2: Betting wasn't a big thing. No, I think you're absolutely right.
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I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Rafa?
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Why am I saying it wrong? I feel like it's Rafa.
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I think so too. I think I want Brazilian on me.
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I get it. Yeah, you made a real good point
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about the betting because that's why people are getting so
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upset because they are betting money on it. It's a
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big problem. with some people. With some people, the ability
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to just bet on anything anytime you want. And now
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it's like a polymarket and all these different things. You
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could bet on, you know, fucking anything. Anything.
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Speaker 3: Anything.
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Speaker 2: How about that fucking soldier that got busted?
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Speaker 3: Big move. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped.
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Speaker 3: Dude, if you don't. But my thing is, it's like
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the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting
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on his team to win.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: This dude was betting on his fucking team to win.
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Speaker 2: Right. Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's.
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Speaker 3: Giving him a pardon, you're at your goddamn mind.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: That guy's awesome.
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Speaker 2: That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean,
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why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress
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goes unchecked. Oh, my God. Like that. Bro. That's crazy. Like,
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if you get mad at that, people, what a hypocrite.
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You're also dealing with a special forces guy who, it's not.
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Speaker 3: Like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh,
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I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get
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this idiot.
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Speaker 2: Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because
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it didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying. It
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didn't have to work. They could have all got killed.
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It's like Pete Rose, too.
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Speaker 3: It's like, keep him in the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to let him in now that
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he died. Oh, great.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, cool.
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Speaker 2: That helps. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: But it's also like, he never bet.
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Speaker 2: Against his team. It's pretty gangster. I don't know if
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that's true.
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Jamie, look that shit up.
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Speaker 2: I read something online that he might have been against
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his team at least on one game. I don't know
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if that's true, though. I'm rooting for Pete Rose. But
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I just read something. I mean, there might have been
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a Pete Rose hater.
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Speaker 3: That's what I thought. That's what I heard.
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Speaker 2: If he only bet for his team, I feel like
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that should be legal. That's what I'm saying. That's like
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the special forces guy. What, are you trying to win harder?
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You're trying to win harder because you want money?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That would be good.
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Speaker 3: The Special Forces guy, like, dude, you're really into this.
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Fuck yeah, dude.
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Speaker 2: I got a million.
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Speaker 3: Bucks right on this.
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Speaker 2: No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose
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bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds,
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though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have
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read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? You say a
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person who believes Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds
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at some point, John Dowd said. But even he has
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acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of
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such bets. So I feel like you should be able
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to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like
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you should be able to bet on yourself as a
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baseball player. Why not? Why not? You're just betting to win. Now,
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betting to lose. Different story. Different story. So if you're
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just saying– is that because you can't tell them how
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to bet? Like, if you're going to let them bet,
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they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man,
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I don't know if I'm going to win this fight. Man,
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I'm not feeling great. I'm going to try, but I
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think I might lose. So let me just see if
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I can make a little extra money just in case
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I lose. Say, well, I tried my hardest. I lost,
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but still made some money. Made some money.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.
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Speaker 1: That's good.
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Speaker 2: It just opens a can of worms you don't want
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to deal with.
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Speaker 3: Nobody's bet. Right.
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Speaker 2: Because then what if you won? You're like, I won. Yeah,
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but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself
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like an idiot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
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Speaker 2: You made no money this fight. You'd have to be
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a fucking psycho to try to win knowing it's going
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to cost you money. Like your whole camp, paying your
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fucking trainers, your manager, everything.
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Speaker 3: Fucking nightmares. What's like the Hamzat-Strickland fight? You and I,
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right when that fight got announced, we texted each other
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and I went, good fight. Good fight.
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Speaker 2: I know everyone's going to, you know, Hamzat's a big favorite,
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but we both went, I don't know, man. I can
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see it. I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time.
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I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of
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the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man.
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And he knows how to survive. He can survive. And
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the thing about Hamzat is if he takes you down,
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he wants to hold you down and just beat on
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you and not expand a lot of energy like he
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did with Drekus. That's an issue. You can't do that
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with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's
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very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling,
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super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat
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like later in the fight, you know, and he did
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wind up on top multiple times. Like it's… He ain't
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easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a
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blown out shoulder.
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Speaker 1: Boom.
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Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
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Speaker 3: Everyone's like, well, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut.
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It's like, well, hold on.
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Speaker 2: Sean had one arm.
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Speaker 3: Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw
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that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat.
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No one wants to talk about that. The most significant
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punch was in the second round. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: He flash knocks out Hamza.
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Speaker 3: And Hamza's like, oh, shit.
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Speaker 2: And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. And
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still defended. I noticed he was doing this at the
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beginning of the fight. Before the fight started, he was
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doing this with his arm. So he's warming up. He's
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doing this. And he keeps doing this. But he kept
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doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's
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what I do if my shoulders hurt.
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Speaker 1: Boom.
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Speaker 2: To see how hurt it is.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: How does it feel? Feel the range. Yeah. How does
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it feel? And he was only going to here. He
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was only going to here. He kept doing it. Deadpan
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killer look on his face.
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Speaker 3: That motherfucker still won.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Still won. Here's my thing about it.
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Speaker 2: Still fought. A lot of guys would have pulled out.
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A lot of guys would have said, I can't use
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my arm. I'm pulling out.
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Speaker 3: Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too,
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now that he won, people are like, oh, is he
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a Hall of Famer?
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Speaker 2: 1,000%. 100%.
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Speaker 3: 100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland, too,
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it's like he's going to be a bigger star now
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more than ever. I think that fight is the one
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that put him even bigger. Yeah. The thing about Strickland
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is he's the guy that's not.
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Speaker 2: Supposed to be here.
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Speaker 3: Like everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnyans or
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Dagestanians or wherever these war-torn countries are from, and they're like,
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this is the only way they made it out. Dude,
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Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America.
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Speaker 2: Disenfranchised.
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Speaker 3: Dude had an abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland.
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So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat arguably the best
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striker in the weight division of all time. beat him
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at striking at fucking striking in Australia and then they
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give him arguably the best grappler of all time in
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the middleweight division and he beats him so he all
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of you listening all you guys are closer to Sean
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Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes
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he's just a tough white kid who trains his ass
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off he's a blue collar guy he doesn't run a
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40 in a 4-4 he doesn't have a 40 inch vertical.
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Speaker 2: He's got one bad leg From a motorcycle accident. It
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almost ruined his whole career.
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Speaker 3: I get chills talking about it. Dude, he's that blue-collar
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guy through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer,
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bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the
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greatest middleweights of all time. In all his fights, he's
16:36
an underdog.
16:37
Speaker 2: Fluffy, underdog.
16:38
Speaker 3: DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won
16:40
that first fight. Hamza, massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog.
16:44
Speaker 2: Second fight with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too.
16:47
Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crashed
16:50
his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told
16:53
him he had a fight. So he had to take
16:55
the fight. So he had to take the fight with
16:56
a fucked up shoulder. And one of the things you
16:58
notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in
17:02
this fight, I noticed they were awkward sometimes. Sometimes they
17:06
just looked weird. Like he was trying not to use
17:09
his shoulder or something. He was compromised. Yes, 100%. And
17:12
I saw some of that in the second DDP fight.
17:17
You know, where it looked like he was kind of
17:19
throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does
17:22
anyway because he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. Yeah.
17:26
He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly
17:29
and then he's going to land you clean shots. But
17:31
when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him,
17:33
like he had this giant break. cause he punched somebody
17:37
and some fucking low level promotion. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.
17:45
So they gave him like a eight month suspension, something
17:50
like that. Six months suspension, whatever it was. Um, So
17:53
you see him against Hernandez where he's perfect and he
17:56
looks fucking phenomenal. Best I've ever seen. His striking looked phenomenal.
18:01
Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh God, he looks
18:03
like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy.
18:06
He looked better. Best we've ever seen. And then he
18:08
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if you count them out based on that fight where
19:13
you– I thought Hamzat won. A lot of people did. Look,
19:16
it's– a lot of people that know fighting thought Hamzat won.
19:19
There's a lot– I think it's split among journalists. I
19:22
think I was reading something.
19:23
Speaker 3: I don't really read anything, by the way.
19:26
Speaker 2: I really read the headlines and then I move on.
19:28
You have to be careful with journalists.
19:31
Speaker 3: I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been
19:34
around the game a long, long time.
19:37
Speaker 2: If you have Hamzat winning, yeah, okay.
19:39
Speaker 3: Nobody was robbed. I can give you a pretty good
19:42
argument why Strickland won that fight.
19:43
Speaker 2: Yes. I can give you a damn good argument. I
19:45
think he won the fight. I was talking to him
19:47
inside the Octagon before the fight. I said, what do
19:49
you think? And I said, it was really close. It
19:51
was really close. Because you really never know with judging.
19:54
We've both seen fights where we were sure that one
19:57
guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge.
19:59
So you don't know. In my opinion, I would have
20:03
to go over it and watch it again because when
20:06
I call fights, I'm just calling them. It's tough. I'm
20:09
not really scoring them. Super tough. It's weird because what
20:12
you're trying to do is make— some entertainment out of
20:17
moments and put some weight to it and express maybe
20:20
to people that don't know exactly what's going on.
20:22
Speaker 3: You're also listening to your other partners in the booth.
20:25
Speaker 1: Right.
20:25
Speaker 2: Well, DC's great at that. DC's the best at explaining
20:29
shit to people that don't know what's going on when
20:31
it comes to like wrestling in particular because he's such a,
20:33
Elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments
20:36
in that. So like that's what you're doing. So you're
20:38
not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent.
20:42
Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the
20:45
UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do
20:47
is he would write– he would have a piece of
20:49
paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy.
20:51
And then he would have categories. Strikes landed, kicks landed,
20:54
punches landed, takedowns, submission attempts. He would mark all these
20:59
different things. Like, every time something would happen, he would
21:01
mark it down. And then he would also go by
21:04
who landed the most damage. And he was really good
21:06
at it. Like, he was very accurate in terms of, like,
21:09
I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense.
21:11
Speaker 3: But if your intention is to score the fight, like,
21:13
you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating,
21:15
I can do that. It's like I do commentate for
21:18
a game bread, and there's a fight, fight of the night.
21:21
And Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won?
21:23
I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because
21:26
I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing.
21:29
Speaker 2: Right, right, right. I'll go home and watch it.
21:30
Speaker 3: I'll let you know exactly who won.
21:32
Speaker 2: Right. It's such a close fight. I don't know, dude.
21:34
Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to
21:38
figure out who won. Some wars, like, let's, you know,
21:42
think of, like, what if Tyra and Joshua Vann had
21:47
made it to the end?
21:48
Speaker 3: That's a tough one.
21:49
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Vann definitely did
21:51
more damage, 100%. Which is the number one thing they—
21:54
are supposed to judge it up so I would judge
21:57
that in favor we had a conversation about the Gomez
22:01
fight who was Gomez fighting Pat Sabatini so Pat Sabatini
22:10
was fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch
22:13
him and try to take him down took him down
22:14
a couple times but when they were standing up Gomez,
22:17
Pat landed a few strikes definitely, it wasn't like he
22:19
was completely outclassed on the feet but Gomez landed more
22:22
So I'm like, OK, I know Pat spent the majority
22:25
of the fight in control, the majority of the fight clinching,
22:28
the majority of the fight working towards the takedown. But
22:31
it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gomez bounced back
22:34
up to his feet every time, never took any damage
22:37
on the ground, never got close to being submitted. And
22:39
then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who
22:41
was going after him landing strikes. I don't know if
22:45
it was enough to win though, because it's like, there
22:47
wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit
22:49
Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down and
22:51
there was none of that. But Gomez was doing better
22:54
in the standup, which when it comes to damage, that
22:57
was the only damage of the fight.
22:59
Speaker 3: But the other thing you got to take into consideration,
23:01
it's like, I love DC, he's one of my favorites,
23:04
but DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually
23:08
going to, not that he means to, but because he
23:11
has such an extensive wrestling background, If you listen to
23:14
Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that
23:17
fight for Hamza because of the wrestling involved. But if
23:20
you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling
23:23
background or it's more of a striking background, most of
23:25
them score it for Strickland. So you always got to–
23:27
I take it with a little bit of grain of
23:28
salt when those guys– heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling but
23:32
they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's
23:34
a takedown. But he didn't do shit with it though, man.
23:36
Speaker 2: There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people
23:41
that he rubs the wrong way.
23:42
Speaker 1: Boom.
23:43
Speaker 2: And they don't want him to win because of the
23:45
wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes
23:50
too far. He said he went too far. He apologized
23:52
for going too far. But God damn, did he sell
23:54
some tickets?
23:55
Speaker 3: I like what you said. You said, don't apologize. You're
23:57
selling a fight.
23:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's my thing, too.
23:59
Speaker 3: It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for
24:02
any of that. Because on Monday, I was so excited
24:06
to get in the studio. I was so excited. I
24:08
felt like for the first time in a long time,
24:11
the UFC's back. I felt back, man.
24:15
Speaker 2: You really think the UFC has gone away?
24:17
Speaker 1: No, no.
24:17
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that. What do you mean by that?
24:18
Speaker 3: Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as like
24:21
Conor Khabib, like bad blood.
24:24
Speaker 2: Big time. Couldn't wait.
24:25
Speaker 1: Right.
24:26
Speaker 3: Like I, dude, I was tech, day before I'm tech, dude,
24:28
I can't fucking wait. It was like I was so
24:32
hyped for this fucking fight, dude.
24:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
24:34
Speaker 3: It just felt like, you know, those Conor Day, Khabib days,
24:37
those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it,
24:40
and I usually can tell when a fight's going to
24:42
be really big. Cause I'm always at baseball fields and
24:44
football fields and dads will come like, dude, did you
24:46
think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting?
24:49
Speaker 2: I'm like, Oh shit.
24:51
Speaker 3: I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can
24:53
be fucking big, dude.
24:55
Speaker 2: It was huge. And it was huge because of the
24:57
way Sean sold it. A hundred percent. Not just that
25:00
Sean has a ton of fans for sure, you know,
25:04
but it was the way he sold it. The chaos.
25:06
People love it. They love that. And especially casuals. They
25:09
love the chaos. I love it too. It's fun. He
25:13
makes things fun. Makes things fun.
25:15
Speaker 3: And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff
25:17
he says. But it's like there's a lane for that.
25:20
I hate to tell you there's a lane for that.
25:22
And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a
25:26
good person. Yes, he has some crazy thoughts and stuff
25:30
like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go,
25:33
UFC doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid
25:35
like Strickland, who's built his name to be the most
25:38
watched fight, one of the third most watched weigh-ins of
25:40
all time. So he's trying to be a star. So
25:43
you guys are complaining there's no stars. And then when
25:45
he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him.
25:47
Speaker 2: So it's like pick your poison. Well, they're hating by
25:51
the way he's doing it, right, that he's making things
25:54
super personal. But this is what Connor did. I mean,
25:59
that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line
26:01
many times with Khabib. Oh, buddy. The line's here.
26:04
Speaker 3: Conor was all the way over here.
26:05
Speaker 2: And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that
26:07
was the brawl afterwards where Khabib jumped in the crowd
26:10
and fucked up Dilly Dan.
26:13
Speaker 3: That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it
26:14
framed in my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off
26:17
the fucking cage about to fucking– But remember, before that fight,
26:22
in the fight, Khabib was all professional.
26:25
Speaker 2: He was all good.
26:26
Speaker 3: As soon as that motherfucker ended, he was like, now
26:29
it's time to get to work.
26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. That is a crazy photo. World champion, just
26:35
got done stopping Conor McGregor. And he's leaping into the
26:39
fucking crowd just like his nickname. And super humble. He's
26:42
the eagle. Yeah, the eagle. His talons are fucking out
26:45
for his face. I mean, you couldn't come up with
26:48
a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan
26:51
Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping
26:54
when Bisping was down? That's like his logo. That should
26:56
be Khabib's logo. 100%.
26:59
Speaker 3: With, like, wings on it, like a flying eagle.
27:01
Speaker 2: Fucking animal. Dude, that was mayhem. God, I love that guy.
27:05
Speaker 3: I love him.
27:06
Speaker 2: You know, we appreciated him while he was here, but
27:08
maybe not enough.
27:09
Speaker 3: But with Hamzat, too, I also think a couple of
27:14
factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been
27:18
in big fights, but he hasn't been in this.
27:21
Speaker 2: Big of a fight.
27:22
Speaker 3: Defending the middleweight title, you have this— Wild boy talking
27:26
so much shit. So I just– I don't think he's
27:29
dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And
27:32
then also Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue
27:37
because remember when I went to his camp, I called you.
27:40
I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking– I'm
27:43
talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them.
27:48
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god.
27:49
Speaker 3: So there's an issue with him and I don't know
27:51
what it is where that's not– translating inside the octagon.
27:56
Speaker 2: Well I can tell you right now first of all
27:58
first part of the issue is the weight cut yes
28:02
and no 100% dude he cut 22 kilos listen to
28:05
me he got 40 something pounds they were making it
28:08
so that he was going to fight Yuri Prokofiev at
28:10
205 right so he starts bulking up and he's eating
28:13
like a fucking animal and he's dead lifting and doing
28:15
all kinds of crazy shit he said he was 230
28:17
I think he was above that yeah yeah he was
28:19
somewhere north of 230 and so then he's 230 whatever
28:23
And so then he's got to drop down to 85,
28:25
which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never
28:28
got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.
28:33
Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a
28:37
bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I
28:40
heard it was horrible.
28:40
Speaker 3: Did you hear his brother today was like, yes, we
28:42
thought his body was going to shut down.
28:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting and
28:46
then they went back. And he only had like 1.2
28:48
kilos to lose at that point, which is what is that?
28:52
Was that like five pounds? No, I mean two pounds.
28:55
Speaker 3: Two and a half pounds, right? Two and a half.
28:57
Speaker 2: What is it? It's 2.2. Okay, so somewhere around. He
29:01
was 230. That's a lot, though. If you're already dying,
29:04
you got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's
29:06
a nightmare. 260-ounce bottles of water.
29:08
Speaker 3: But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235,
29:11
how many weeks out was that?
29:12
Speaker 2: Do we know? I don't know.
29:14
Speaker 3: Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget
29:17
this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. It's a few months.
29:22
Speaker 2: It's a few months, but when you have muscle and
29:25
not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem.
29:29
It's not the same problem. So if you get big
29:32
like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a
29:35
lot of videos of him training where he's got almost
29:37
like a belly. yeah he's heavy and he makes fun
29:39
of himself he's fat that's a different fat that's different
29:42
to lose you can lose that you can lose that
29:44
that's not a problem to lose when you're bulked up
29:48
your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and
29:51
you're still working out all the time so your body's
29:53
using those muscles all the time so if you want
29:56
those muscles to shrink they literally have to eat themselves
29:58
yeah So you have to fucking starve yourself. Or you
30:03
do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink
30:06
of death. And it seems like that's what he did.
30:09
Probably a factor. Giant factor, dude.
30:13
Speaker 3: It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor. But
30:15
it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights,
30:18
it's not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys.
30:22
Speaker 2: Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It
30:27
was just him grappling, him in control. But no attempt
30:30
to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just
30:32
wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. It
30:35
could be. It could be. And that also plays a
30:38
factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's
30:39
so durable and has such great cardio and can take
30:42
the fight into deep, deep waters and always does.
30:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:45
Speaker 2: He always— He's always going after you in the final round.
30:48
The final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down,
30:51
he's screaming at Izzy, come on. He gets better as
30:54
the fight goes on. Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded
30:57
by that final round. Part of that because of the
31:00
beating that he took in the first. Correct. He got
31:03
super close to stop, probably concussed in the first. I mean,
31:07
that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun
31:10
Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many
31:12
fucking left hands in a row?
31:14
Speaker 3: Yep.
31:14
Speaker 2: 15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean, let's
31:18
count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy.
31:21
He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're
31:24
going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed.
31:28
You're compromised. Probably you have a concussion. Yes. Just by
31:32
the way he went down, his head spun around. It
31:35
was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand?
31:37
It was a right hand, yeah. Picture perfect right hand.
31:40
Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect.
31:44
And you don't get a cleaner, better right hand and
31:48
then blast him with all those punches in the clinch.
31:51
You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself.
31:54
Speaker 3: You're gone. I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again,
31:57
you could chalk it up to the weight cut. That
32:00
second round when he doesn't land that takedown and falls
32:02
to his back, I'm like.
32:02
Speaker 2: Oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shutting
32:07
down and he realized that he went real hard in
32:08
the first round but doesn't have the gas tank. He said,
32:10
let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here,
32:13
but I need to catch my breath if I'm going
32:14
to try to finish this guy. It might have been
32:16
a strategy.
32:17
Speaker 3: And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round.
32:18
Speaker 2: Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm
32:21
on my back, no big deal. Like he tries for
32:23
a takedown, can't get it. He realized like, oh, Jesus.
32:26
I'm not going to be able to fight standing up
32:27
like this for five minutes after that first round because
32:31
his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago,
32:34
it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the
32:37
sport where we allow these people to pretend that they
32:41
weigh a certain way. You pretend. Oh, it's a 185-pound fight.
32:47
The fuck it is. Neither one of those guys.
32:50
Speaker 1: 100%.
32:50
Speaker 3: And Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.
32:53
Speaker 2: Strickland's a big boy. Strickland, that night in the cage,
32:56
is a bigger dude. Well, he definitely looked healthier, right?
33:00
And I think part of that, you could attribute to
33:01
the fact that Hamzat is killing himself.
33:03
Speaker 3: Well, what did Hamzat say to Dana as soon as
33:05
he jumped out of the cage? He goes, I'm done
33:06
fighting him.
33:07
Speaker 2: I'm going to 205. But apparently now, all he's talking
33:09
about is a rematch. It's back on.
33:11
Speaker 3: It's back on.
33:13
Speaker 2: So what he's got to do is he has got
33:17
to limit his calorie intake, and he's got to literally
33:21
burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself
33:25
like that. So you would have to talk to someone
33:27
who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes,
33:30
when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is
33:34
he gets himself down like 160 pounds. And the way
33:37
he does it is he just limits his fucking calories
33:40
and keeps working out the exact same way. And he
33:42
looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired
33:45
all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him
33:48
down to that weight. But that is slow running for days.
33:53
Speaker 3: Correct.
33:54
Speaker 2: That's a different thing.
33:55
Speaker 3: We can't do that.
33:55
Speaker 2: Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And
34:00
my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy
34:05
to do that. You have to be a healthy person.
34:10
You can't just be big. Right. And you're not healthy
34:13
if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's
34:16
really what's going on. And we think these guys can recover.
34:20
But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for
34:22
sure don't recover a hundred percent. Not a hundo. Not
34:25
a hundred percent.
34:26
Speaker 3: That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like a
34:27
lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them.
34:29
Like if it's, if the weight is an issue at 205,
34:33
if he's a hundred percent, I know he might be
34:35
a little undersized, but. 100% Hamzat could be a lot
34:38
better than a 70%.
34:40
Speaker 2: That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going
34:42
to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%.
34:45
He's going to talk mad shit.
34:47
Speaker 3: It'll be fun.
34:48
Speaker 2: He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm.
34:50
It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him
34:53
at middleweight. But he's got to go to some expert
34:56
in losing weight.
34:56
Speaker 1: Oh, no.
34:57
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Strickland Hamzat 205.
34:58
Speaker 2: No, no. Oh, that's what I thought you were saying.
35:01
Speaker 1: No, no.
35:01
Speaker 3: Strickland's going to stay at fucking 85 and dominate.
35:03
Speaker 1: No.
35:04
Speaker 3: Hamzat.
35:05
Speaker 2: He's going to do that rematch, and then that's it.
35:08
He's a 205-er.
35:10
Speaker 3: Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight
35:13
that's realistic when he can still perform.
35:15
Speaker 2: But he has to figure that out. He's got to
35:17
stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that
35:20
got him up to 230 pounds or whatever he was,
35:24
we're guessing, right? That's what I had heard, that he
35:25
was north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got
35:29
to not do that, and he's got to do mad cardio,
35:32
just cardio. Like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag,
35:36
hitting pads, and cardio.
35:38
Speaker 3: I'm a big proponent of do your sport. Get your
35:44
cardio from your sport. Like I see it across the board.
35:47
Like I get a.
35:50
Speaker 2: Little hesitant when I saw all these.
35:51
Speaker 3: Videos of Hamzat, you know, hitting the– The tire with
35:54
the hammer and doing all these runs.
35:56
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but.
35:57
Speaker 3: I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against
36:00
top level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because
36:04
what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this
36:06
heart rate monitor?
36:07
Speaker 2: No.
36:08
Speaker 3: Why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars
36:10
like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you
36:13
see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker
36:16
you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you
36:19
got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints. I'd
36:21
rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I
36:25
see it at the lower level, too, with kids. I
36:28
coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man.
36:31
I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five
36:33
days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like, because we're
36:37
not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. fucking,
36:39
who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs, dude.
36:42
Speaker 2: Catch footballs if you.
36:43
Speaker 3: Want to get better at football.
36:45
Speaker 2: 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff
36:47
has a purpose? Yes, but not close to the fight. Interesting.
36:52
Speaker 3: Because usually what we would do is, like, let's say
36:55
you have an eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're
36:57
doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we
36:59
get to camp, the focus was the cardio was getting
37:02
it in in your training.
37:05
Speaker 2: You know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked
37:07
about this. He's pretty good.
37:10
Speaker 1: Good.
37:11
Speaker 2: How good did he look against Alal?
37:13
Speaker 3: Dude.
37:13
Speaker 2: Best back control in the game.
37:16
Speaker 3: And I don't, why is he so underrated?
37:18
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
37:19
Speaker 3: Why he doesn't get his due?
37:20
Speaker 2: It's the loss to Piotr Jan.
37:21
Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy.
37:22
Speaker 2: He's so good. It's the win, the victory where he
37:25
had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on
37:27
him from then on out. Think how good he did
37:30
against Evilove. I know. He's amazing.
37:32
Speaker 3: That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won.
37:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he could have easily won that fight. That
37:36
motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. But he
37:40
said that Marab does the same thing. Now, who the
37:43
fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody.
37:46
Nobody alive.
37:47
Speaker 3: Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy
37:49
that broke the fucking whatever's four-minute mile or something, but...
37:52
As far as what?
37:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down.
37:54
Speaker 3: Exactly.
37:55
Speaker 2: He's not getting punched in the face.
37:56
Speaker 3: People should just go to Rob's camp and be like,
37:59
what are you doing?
37:59
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm wrestling.
38:00
Speaker 3: I'm fucking wrestling.
38:01
Speaker 2: He does run. He does run and he does lift
38:03
some weights every now and then. But he doesn't do
38:05
any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the
38:08
guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson.
38:12
I shouldn't say spoke out against it. But what he
38:14
did say was that when he did that, because he
38:17
did some of the training lab stuff, he said he
38:19
was too broken down. He said he was overtrained and
38:22
he said he was just too tired when he was
38:24
going into like fight camp. It's tough to recover. You're
38:27
doing all the other stuff too. You're still boxing. You're
38:30
still kickboxing. I have to. You're still wrestling. And he
38:33
said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because,
38:37
you know, the Marv Marinovich approach was very different with
38:41
BJ Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn ever.
38:44
The best BJ Penn ever. But they literally did no
38:47
fight training. What they did is all plyometrics and it's
38:51
different from the stuff the training lab stuff is doing
38:53
because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and
38:56
all this stuff because that's what Sam Calavita came from. Correct.
39:00
Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him
39:03
do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking
39:06
insane machine. He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight. Fact.
39:11
You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks, right? Fact.
39:14
But what we can do is give you an unstoppable
39:18
gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked
39:21
BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't–
39:23
when he was training himself or when he had– it
39:25
wasn't– Kim and his brother. Yeah, it wasn't the most disciplined.
39:28
Different days, yeah. He was phenomenally talented and– Freak. Freak.
39:33
And one of the things– won the world, the Mundials
39:35
at three years in to jiu-jitsu as a black belt.
39:39
Like nobody does that. That's why he's almost a bad example.
39:41
You know what I'm saying?
39:42
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah.
39:42
Speaker 2: Right. But what he– the problem with really talented people,
39:46
and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend
39:48
to not work as hard. Yeah. Right. Like Sean, although
39:52
he's a world champion, he's not a guy where you
39:55
see like, oh, my God, he is so talented. Like
39:57
what he does is like no one can move that way.
40:00
No one can do what he does. Like, you know,
40:02
there's certain guys that are like that.
40:03
Speaker 3: Sean's stuff is hard work.
40:04
Speaker 2: Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it
40:08
comes a little easier for them. And sometimes they have
40:11
a harder time with the hard work because they're not
40:13
used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed.
40:16
So when they have to do this drill where you're
40:19
rotating in new sparring partners and you're exhausted, and when
40:23
you're doing that, hell, they don't like that. No. So
40:27
some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be
40:29
tuning guys up.
40:30
Speaker 3: Spot on. Yeah.
40:31
Speaker 2: And so those guys, when they're fighting a George St.
40:34
Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade.
40:38
Speaker 3: Yep.
40:38
Speaker 2: Because that guy got there and threw a different path.
40:42
I mean, George... Although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of
40:46
the best wrestlers in MMA ever and didn't even come
40:49
from a wrestling background. I mean, George is one of
40:52
the all-time greats. There's not like one thing that George
40:57
would do that would make you think like that guy
40:59
is a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him
41:01
like that.
41:01
Speaker 3: No, far from it. To your point, far from it
41:03
because I trained with George forever. And when we did–
41:05
they would have us do some stuff like I did
41:07
in the NFL like sprints and vertical and the agility drills.
41:11
Speaker 2: Like nothing– Nothing crazy. No. But BJ was crazy. BJ's crazy.
41:16
BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck
41:19
can you do that? BJ could jump out of a
41:21
pool and land easy. BJ has insane flexibility. The way
41:29
he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a
41:31
video of someone trying to take him down. And they
41:34
have a single. And they are driving across the cage.
41:38
And he's on one leg. And he's on one leg
41:39
hopping with. Zero fear of being taken down. But to
41:43
your point, BJ's that talented. John's another one. Yep.
41:47
Speaker 3: Where it's like.
41:47
Speaker 2: Right, right. Exact, exact. Perfect comparison. They're so fucking talented.
41:51
So fucking talented. And then the difference being John always
41:56
figured out a way to win, and John... If he
42:00
had a bad camp for one fight, he would come
42:02
back in the next fight and really fucking put it
42:05
to somebody.
42:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
42:06
Speaker 2: Like the Gustafson fight. First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't
42:09
train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like,
42:12
he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in
42:16
the gym.
42:17
Speaker 3: And then has a five round war.
42:18
Speaker 2: For a world title fight. And pulls it out in
42:21
the final two rounds. Pulls it out. It's crazy.
42:23
Speaker 1: Crazy.
42:24
Speaker 2: Gets taken down for the first time. We see him
42:25
get taken down by Gustafson. Like, oh my God, Gustafson
42:28
might be the man. And John pulls it out. So
42:30
the second fight comes around and John trains hard. And
42:34
John fucks him up. I mean fucks him up in
42:38
a way like this is what would have happened if
42:40
I tried. Yeah. If I prepared the way you prepared,
42:44
this is what you get. This is how it goes.
42:45
You get a fucking beating. And this is the dance
42:50
of like who's the greatest of all time. And that's
42:52
why the argument in most people's eyes is that John
42:55
is the greatest of all time because John– He was
42:58
all those things, super talented, and when push came to
43:02
shove and he had to get back into work and
43:05
get the gear. He would do it. He would do it,
43:07
and he would pull it off against DC. He would
43:09
pull it off. The Stipe fight was– I think that
43:13
was not Stipe. That was an old– No, that's when
43:16
you– like when you talk about his resume, you're like,
43:18
all right. Stipe is the Stipe that ran through the
43:22
heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that
43:26
beat Fabrizio Verdun for the title, beat Francis when Francis
43:30
was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a
43:34
lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do. Oh,
43:37
that changed him forever, I think. Because DC knocks him
43:39
out right after that. And it wasn't the biggest punch
43:43
in the world.
43:44
Speaker 1: No.
43:44
Speaker 2: It was a big punch. But, I mean, he had
43:46
taken it. Bombs from Francis.
43:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, back to John being the greatest of all time.
43:50
It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck,
43:52
it's wild.
43:53
Speaker 2: Phenomenal. Phenomenal resume. Youngest ever UFC champion. Crazy.
43:57
Speaker 3: But as far as like— Wasn't Josh Barnett— did Josh Barnett
43:59
win it earlier? No.
44:00
Speaker 2: I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. And Josh
44:03
Barnett was the youngest heavyweight. And Joshua Vann's second now.
44:05
Speaker 1: Right.
44:06
Speaker 2: So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at, what, 24? Yep.
44:09
And those boys were— Didn't they strip him for steroids
44:13
when everyone was doing steroids? That is— It's like when
44:17
WWE guys get busted. You're like, oh, come on. Like, bitch,
44:19
you ain't testing everybody.
44:21
Speaker 3: You just don't like Josh.
44:23
Speaker 2: It's a way to get him out. I love Josh.
44:25
Speaker 3: It's a way to get him out. But back to John,
44:28
it's like you look at his resume. Greatest ever do it.
44:30
Beat the very best.
44:32
Speaker 2: In murderer's row. Murderer's row.
44:34
Speaker 3: Now, you know, it's.
44:35
Speaker 2: Not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. You
44:39
don't think so?
44:40
Speaker 3: No.
44:41
Speaker 2: Well, listen, when Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's
44:46
certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex
44:49
that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska,
44:53
the Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill,
44:56
like that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime
44:59
would have been insane. That would have been insane.
45:03
Speaker 3: Oh, man.
45:04
Speaker 2: Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like, John's wrestling
45:07
was on a totally different level.
45:08
Speaker 3: His reach, his IQ.
45:09
Speaker 2: His IQ.
45:09
Speaker 3: The wrestling would be tough, Ralph.
45:11
Speaker 2: What could he do to Cheryl Gunn?
45:12
Speaker 3: Crazy.
45:12
Speaker 2: I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like
45:16
a book. Bullied him. Bullied him. Got all of his
45:18
neck and like, I'll take that.
45:20
Speaker 3: Dude, if you go back and look at John, my
45:23
fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division,
45:26
one through fucking 15, good luck. that's especially heavyweight true
45:30
but good fucking luck but at light heavyweight okay so
45:33
not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10.
45:35
Speaker 2: How do you think yuri how well let's let's think
45:38
of alex how do you think alex would have done
45:40
against gustafson very tough fight for him you think so
45:44
gustafson in his prime yeah you think so yeah and
45:48
do you think that based on the to share a
45:50
fight because he pieced up glover remember that fight Yeah. Bro,
45:53
that was a video game combination. We knocked out.
45:56
Speaker 3: Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, that
45:58
when John just reigned as champ, it's like if Alex
46:02
was just born at a different time, maybe five years before,
46:05
five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so
46:09
fucking talented. Huge.
46:12
Speaker 2: 6'6, 6'7. Great wrestling.
46:13
Speaker 3: Great world-class boxing. Good at everything, dude.
46:16
Speaker 2: Great cardio. Just in the division with the GOAT. Yeah, fucked. Yeah, yeah, fucked.
46:19
Speaker 3: Fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex at
46:22
the same time John and his parents did, and you're fucked.
46:24
Speaker 2: Look at what happened with Ilya Teporia. Think about the
46:27
guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about
46:31
Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he has blasted
46:36
all of them into orbit, all three of them. First
46:39
guy ever to stop Max. It's like if you're in
46:43
that guy's division— What are you going to do? Especially
46:47
at 45. I don't know what it's going to be
46:48
like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout.
46:51
That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when
46:54
you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa,
46:57
Justin is quite a bit bigger.
46:58
Speaker 3: Justin Big Cat.
46:59
Speaker 2: He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's
47:04
a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But fuck, then
47:08
you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max.
47:11
You're like, good Lord. Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man.
47:14
He looked phenomenal. And he couldn't do none of that
47:16
to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is, like.
47:20
Speaker 3: The 55 division, everyone's– no one's in the front. Like
47:23
Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's
47:26
definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime.
47:28
Speaker 2: They're all good. They're fucking good. But not prime prime. Right.
47:32
Speaker 3: And the issue is Ilya's just getting to his prime.
47:36
Speaker 2: Just getting to his prime.
47:37
Speaker 3: He's surging.
47:38
Speaker 2: And already one of the greatest of all time. He's
47:41
a fucking problem.
47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:42
Speaker 2: He's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely
47:47
focused and dialed in. Great at everything. Great at everything.
47:50
Graded everything. And the crazy thing is didn't even start
47:52
as a striker. Crazy. Started as a grappler. Crazy.
47:56
Speaker 3: Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sorokin. That's the motherfucking fight.
48:00
Speaker 2: 100%.
48:01
Speaker 3: Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzat,
48:04
he's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit.
48:06
But with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with
48:09
whatever's going on inside that hot gun, weight cut 100%. Clearly,
48:13
there seems to be a mental block when it comes
48:15
to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. But RAF,
48:20
take a page out of fucking Sarukin's book. Just wrestle
48:24
all the– Sarukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times
48:27
this fucking year.
48:27
Speaker 2: I know.
48:28
Speaker 3: Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes
48:31
six figures every time he fucks somebody up.
48:32
Speaker 2: But he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. Competing.
48:36
Speaker 3: And the UFC is going, yeah, go ahead and do it.
48:38
So for Hamzat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year,
48:41
which is not good, dude. So it's like stay active
48:44
over there. Stay active like Arma Sarukin is doing.
48:47
Speaker 2: Keep your weight down. Yeah, I don't know if he's
48:49
interested in doing that. He signed with him. Yeah, but
48:52
what was the fight that they signed that he was
48:54
going to wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember?
48:57
Speaker 3: I think they want to toss him like an Olympian,
48:59
which is– that's where it gets dicey.
49:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event. There
49:04
was a very weird event. I don't know who did it,
49:07
but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body,
49:11
and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that? No, get the fuck
49:13
out of my face. It was weird. Yeah, so glace
49:16
and t-bow was fighting uh i apologize i don't remember
49:19
who was fighting and he takes this guy down and
49:22
the guy catches you know he's trying to avoid the
49:24
takedown he catches his knee in a weird way and
49:26
it blows out so that could happen to fucking anybody.
49:31
Speaker 3: Wrestling's a little safer though i don't.
49:33
Speaker 2: Know about that because this was in the wrestling exchange
49:35
that he took him down Yeah.
49:37
Speaker 3: But those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers.
49:39
Speaker 1: True.
49:40
Speaker 3: Like RAF, it's top-tier shit.
49:43
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, no doubt.
49:43
Speaker 3: It's so good.
49:44
Speaker 2: No doubt. It's so good. But wrestlers blow their knees
49:47
out all the time. True. It's just a part of
49:49
the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming
49:54
after you. But it's kind of what you sign up for. 100%.
49:56
Speaker 3: So for a hot spot, it's like, dude, we can't
49:58
fight fucking once a year and then you have weight issues.
50:00
And clearly there seems to be a mental block and
50:02
you're getting finishes because you're cardio. Let's do RAF. Let's
50:06
get this rolling. Keeps your weight down. Keeps you active.
50:08
Speaker 2: Also keeps you in the limelight.
50:10
Speaker 3: Armin has blown the fuck up, dude.
50:13
Speaker 2: True. He's a massive star now. True. especially online I
50:17
don't know how much that translates to the general public
50:20
it's for dorks like us dorks like us pay your
50:23
fucking point we are some dorks are riding his nuts
50:26
he beat Giorgio twice it's such a good point is
50:30
it Lance Palmer the wrestler that he tech falled which
50:33
is nuts nuts Uri Faber threw over the fucking thing
50:36
that was crazy why'd you do that what if you
50:38
both got hurt what if you hurt Uri he's a
50:40
bit of a main head well he's a psychopath yeah
50:43
he's a full on psychopath I mean he's rich Dude,
50:46
he's so rich. Literally wealthy.
50:48
Speaker 3: Do you see him on that stream? They go, so
50:50
if you wanted to buy a car, like $ 500, 000 car,
50:52
what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad.
50:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money,
50:58
but he's not lazy at all. He flies in the
51:04
face of this longstanding belief that we all had that
51:08
if you come from a rich family, you can't be
51:10
a great fighter.
51:10
Speaker 3: Dude, he's Batman.
51:11
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's
51:14
going to fuck you up. He does not give a fuck.
51:16
Some fucking dude is like, I'm from the favelas. Good luck.
51:19
Speaker 3: Cool, man.
51:20
Speaker 2: Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath.
51:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach.
51:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. He pulls into L.A. I watch his YouTube videos.
51:29
He shows him training and all the different stuff he does.
51:32
When he lands in L.A., he goes immediately to an
51:35
exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini. And drives
51:38
it to the training lab.
51:40
Speaker 3: It's not the way it's supposed to work, but he.
51:42
Speaker 2: Pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good
51:45
luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of
51:46
him for being rich. Built like a Greek god. Yeah.
51:48
Can wrestle like a fucking elite top tier wrestler. And
51:53
he can strike. And he can submit you. Good luck.
51:56
And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title.
51:59
Because he hurt his back when he was getting ready
52:01
to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever
52:03
happened to him. You think so? Yeah, because look how
52:06
much– because.
52:07
Speaker 3: We were fucking dorks and we knew who he was.
52:10
But the general– like especially online, no one– his profile
52:13
is so big now.
52:16
Speaker 2: I think it's just with dorks.
52:18
Speaker 3: But those dorks equal sponsorship, money.
52:22
Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look
52:25
at the fucking build on this cat. That is not
52:28
a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who
52:30
could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit
52:33
card if he wants to.
52:34
Speaker 3: He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive.
52:36
Speaker 2: It's nuts.
52:37
Speaker 3: He has no reason to be upset.
52:38
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians, look at the Shut
52:40
the fuck up, man. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous.
52:44
Great body. That makes me want to just quit and
52:46
eat fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that
52:49
fucking kind of shape. I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get ripped.
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H-E-L-P dot com slash J-R-E. But it's like he's the
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compelling matchup for Ilya if Ilya gets past Justin. If
54:11
Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the
54:14
greatest upsets of all time, it is one of the
54:16
greatest caps to a career of all time. Like if
54:19
he all through what he's been through wins the interim title,
54:23
wins the BMF title, if he does that and caps
54:26
his career off, you go, Fuck yeah, dude. Way to
54:29
go out.
54:29
Speaker 3: Brother, if he beats Ilya Teper at UFC Freedom 250
54:34
in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that
54:36
gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA, UFC.
54:41
Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is– imagine the headlines, dude. Yes.
54:46
Speaker 2: And if he beats that guy in his prime who's
54:50
knocking everyone into the shadow realm, says to Charles Oliveira,
54:54
I'm sorry, it has to be you. Has a celebration
54:58
party the night before the fight?
55:01
Speaker 1: At a party.
55:02
Speaker 2: At a party.
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Speaker 3: Was drinking wine and shit?
55:04
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. Was he?
55:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.
55:06
Speaker 2: No, I think it was water.
55:08
Speaker 3: No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine.
55:10
Speaker 2: Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and
55:13
he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude.
55:17
Speaker 3: Just checks all boxes.
55:18
Speaker 2: Checks all the boxes.
55:19
Speaker 3: It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting
55:22
for Justin.
55:22
Speaker 2: I love both of them. But just for the.
55:24
Speaker 3: Sheer fact of, again, I like chaos. At that, in
55:28
front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't
55:30
know what the fuck's going on.
55:31
Speaker 2: It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off.
55:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
55:34
Speaker 2: If Justin pulls it off, it'll be one of the
55:36
greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories
55:38
of all time. And if he does just retire, Teporia
55:42
plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House.
55:44
Of course he's going to celebrate.
55:45
Speaker 3: Whatever he's doing.
55:46
Speaker 2: That's his move. Whatever he does.
55:47
Speaker 1: He's doing it again.
55:48
Speaker 2: Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight bout. We're
55:52
going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized.
55:54
My team has already taken care of that. That's a
55:59
mind fucking a half when you're in your hotel room,
56:02
you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking
56:05
about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting.
56:07
And you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking
56:10
standing on top of a table dancing.
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Speaker 3: That's how sure he is he's going to beat the
56:14
fuck out of you.
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Speaker 2: He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like,
56:19
what the fuck are you talking about, man?
56:22
Speaker 3: Did you see when all the fighters are at the
56:23
White House?
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Speaker 2: Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. You're like, oh, fuck.
56:28
Why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah. Well,
56:31
for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this
56:34
is really going to be his last fight, that is
56:36
the last fight. And it's smart.
56:38
Speaker 3: It's smart. Because that Patty fight is, you know, entertaining
56:42
fight for the casuals. But as far as technical wise,
56:45
it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy.
56:48
Speaker 2: Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do.
56:51
Which he should do. He just wanted to just go,
56:53
fuck you, and just come at him and just throw
56:55
caution to the wind and just almost fight like he
56:58
did back in the PFL days.
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Speaker 3: World Series of Fighting Days.
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Speaker 2: That's what it was.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
57:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
57:03
Speaker 3: That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly
57:05
what he should have done. And then for Patty, it
57:07
was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done.
57:09
But you can tell, and it's all good. This isn't
57:12
a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars,
57:15
one of the greatest careers we've ever seen. It catches
57:18
up with you. 100%.
57:19
Speaker 2: It has to. And now here's Ilya Toporia. But again,
57:23
I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way.
57:25
Speaker 3: You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest,
57:28
if not the biggest upset we've ever seen.
57:30
Speaker 2: At the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series,
57:35
The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on
57:37
YouTube and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all
57:41
videos of him training and Trevor Whitman's in it. And
57:43
Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it.
57:46
And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namajunas
57:49
when she beat Ioana Jojicek. Sure. When she beat Yong
57:53
Wei Lee. Same thing. Like, they love being the underdog
57:56
in those situations. Like, stopping Wei Lee was nuts.
58:00
Speaker 3: Crazy.
58:00
Speaker 2: You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her. Yep.
58:03
Speaker 3: Crazy. And that— This is a little different, but I
58:05
hear you.
58:06
Speaker 2: It is different. It's different. But it is— it' s similar in ways, right?
58:11
The Zhang Weili is because Zhang Weili is fucking everybody.
58:15
Speaker 3: Scary.
58:16
Speaker 2: There's no one like her. The physicality of her at
58:19
straw weight. She was a fucking monster. Like her training
58:22
was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training.
58:24
Speaker 3: I'd go, good Lord. Who's going to beat her? Her
58:26
shoulders and shit.
58:27
Speaker 2: But the way she trains, she trains like a dude.
58:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:30
Speaker 2: Like an angry dude. You know what I mean? That's
58:32
the haircut to show. And it's not a knock on
58:37
the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying
58:40
like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like
58:46
she's trying to kill somebody.
58:47
Speaker 3: She probably is, Joe.
58:48
Speaker 2: She might be. It might be natural. It might have
58:52
slipped something into her noodles. Did you see that one
58:56
fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man, I
59:01
took my husband's vitamins. It just had to be steroids. Yeah,
59:03
my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for
59:06
taking steroids. He fucked up. Is he an active fighter?
59:09
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
59:10
Speaker 1: Is he?
59:11
Speaker 3: No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I
59:12
guess this works.
59:13
Speaker 2: I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an
59:14
active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck?
59:17
Speaker 3: Now we're both fucked.
59:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
59:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.
59:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.
59:21
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
59:21
Speaker 2: But back to Whaley and Rose.
59:24
Speaker 3: The difference with that is Rose was still pretty in
59:26
her prime there.
59:27
Speaker 2: Yes. 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point.
59:31
Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn,
59:34
he didn't look like he lost a step in the
59:36
Patti Pimblitt fight. He looked like he was just being
59:39
an animal. And Pimblitt's fucking good, man. You see what
59:42
Pimblitt did to Bobby Green? Granted, Bobby Green's not quite
59:46
at the same level, although he was. Fucking sensational. You
59:49
look good. Against Jeremy Stevens. He just keeps doing the
59:52
damn thing. Also, that style is so fun. Talking shit,
59:55
pointing at you. He's fun, man.
59:57
Speaker 3: So fun.
59:57
Speaker 2: He's one of my faves. So fun. How about at
59:59
the end of the fight, when I'm interviewing him, he's like,
1:00:01
come walk with me. And he takes me over to Dana.
1:00:03
He's like, yo, Dana.
1:00:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus.
1:00:07
Speaker 2: He was just talking about how he's one of the
1:00:09
most exciting fighters that's ever done it. He's awesome. I'm like,
1:00:11
everybody knows that. He's like, well, I didn't get my
1:00:13
fucking bonus. Yeah.
1:00:15
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus thing.
1:00:17
Dana goes, well, we do it also to your strength
1:00:21
of your opponent.
1:00:22
Speaker 2: Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in
1:00:25
his last fight and stopped him. Bad-ass fight. He should
1:00:28
have got a part. He should have got it for
1:00:29
that one. That's what he was talking about.
1:00:31
Speaker 3: Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight,
1:00:34
you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight, great fighter. But,
1:00:37
you know, compared to, like, the other guys on the card.
1:00:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different.
1:00:41
Speaker 3: That's why Dana's like, well— No.
1:00:43
Speaker 2: But he was complaining about not getting a bonus in
1:00:46
his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in
1:00:48
this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him,
1:00:50
I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell
1:00:51
Huber fight? He got 25K, right? Because he finished him.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: If you get a finish, no matter what, but he
1:00:57
wanted the big boy bonus.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: The big boy bonus. Yeah. I hate all of it.
1:01:01
I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's awkward. Look,
1:01:05
the money is there. We know the money's there. This
1:01:09
is a $ 7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll
1:01:12
say that right now. If I was running the UFC,
1:01:15
the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. The shareholders
1:01:18
would have me fired. I run that bitch like affliction.
1:01:22
You don't want that. You don't want me running affliction.
1:01:24
Because I treat it like I was a communist.
1:01:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the
1:01:29
way I talk about it too because I don't know
1:01:30
their books. I don't know how to run a giant
1:01:32
company like that. I assume with $ 7. 7 billion, I'm like, man,
1:01:36
I feel like we could give some over here. But
1:01:39
then if you talk to somebody and they're like, oh,
1:01:41
do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, my bad.
1:01:44
Speaker 1: My bad.
1:01:45
Speaker 2: Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but
1:01:47
it was reported that he made $ 67 million last year.
1:01:49
He worked very hard. I'm sure he did. But that
1:01:52
was from the UFC, from TKO, right? That was his payout.
1:01:55
And he's got a bunch of other things going on.
1:01:57
He's a very successful guy.
1:01:58
Speaker 3: But is he the reason they sold for $ 7.
1:02:00
Speaker 2: 7 billion? He's a big part of it. Probably a
1:02:04
big part, right?
1:02:04
Speaker 1: 100%.
1:02:04
Speaker 2: And also, he took the big chance in purchasing it
1:02:07
for $ 2 billion, which was a big deal. The whole
1:02:10
thing is like this is why you're in business. I
1:02:14
think fighting is different than any other business. And the
1:02:18
reason why I say this, and you could speak to
1:02:21
this more than anybody, you are putting your health on
1:02:25
the line in a way that is not required in
1:02:27
any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing.
1:02:32
You're putting your health on the line in a way
1:02:34
that's different than any other business. you are the only
1:02:37
thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters,
1:02:40
there is no UFC. It doesn't exist. It is the
1:02:45
entire product. The thing you're selling is entirely fighters. And
1:02:51
it's fighters that operate for a short window of their prime.
1:02:56
They have 10 years or whatever they have. And when
1:02:59
they get out, We've all talked about guys that are
1:03:02
mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say.
1:03:05
You see like tics that they have and guys who
1:03:08
have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't
1:03:13
think we should think of it like any other business
1:03:16
because the entire business model is these guys' bodies and
1:03:21
the consequence is their health and it's for the rest
1:03:24
of their life. And so if you're doing something that
1:03:26
is generating a significant amount of money, for a very
1:03:30
short amount of time, I think you should get a
1:03:33
lot of money for that if you're one of those people.
1:03:36
The amount of money that is left over for the
1:03:39
other people, the people that are making the money, that
1:03:42
put the money in, they should still get a lot
1:03:44
of money, which is why they did it in the
1:03:45
first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now,
1:03:50
I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman,
1:03:53
but I have a deep empathy for people who put
1:03:56
themselves in front of harm And try to chase that
1:04:02
glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love.
1:04:06
And I think they should be compensated more.
1:04:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you're– I mean obviously we're biased
1:04:11
because we love fighters and I was a fighter.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: It's not even about being biased. It's just– Fairness. It's fairness.
1:04:17
Speaker 3: It's fairness in the marketplace and– Well, the thing is–
1:04:21
It's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when
1:04:24
I bring up fighter talk and I get sick of
1:04:27
it too because– I don't know what you can really do.
1:04:33
It's simple.
1:04:35
Speaker 1: Is it, though?
1:04:36
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing.
1:04:37
Speaker 3: People will go, okay, they made $ 7.
1:04:39
Speaker 2: 7 billion.
1:04:40
Speaker 3: Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But
1:04:43
it's like, the UFC is the only combat sports promotion
1:04:51
to ever make money.
1:04:54
Speaker 2: Ever.
1:04:55
Speaker 3: Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit.
1:04:58
So my thing is like, is this just what it is?
1:05:02
And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot.
1:05:05
They have this leftover money. I hear you. But what
1:05:07
I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series. We
1:05:12
can go through the list. One championship.
1:05:14
Speaker 2: None of them.
1:05:16
Speaker 3: Are around somewhere on their last leg. No one's ever
1:05:19
been able to sustain it. And I'm not saying we
1:05:22
don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is
1:05:25
this just how it goes in the fight business?
1:05:28
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people
1:05:29
are yelling right now, you're fucking it.
1:05:31
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey man, that's just,
1:05:37
it's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not MLB.
1:05:40
In order for us to continue this rise together, this
1:05:43
is what it is it's 18 to the.
1:05:45
Speaker 2: Fighters i i don't know joe okay well that's what
1:05:49
i'm saying i don't good points first of all let's
1:05:51
just give the ufc its flowers because without i love
1:05:54
the kids say that these days give it give the
1:05:56
flowers yeah good saying have your daughter started using buns
1:05:59
yet oh yeah they use that yeah i just found
1:06:01
it my my son's bad buns is bad yeah i
1:06:03
didn't know i got a new truck my son's like
1:06:05
i think it's buns i'm like is that good what's
1:06:06
that it's ass yeah i know but buns are always
1:06:09
like cute buns yeah i know check out the.
1:06:11
Speaker 3: Balance it's.
1:06:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're young Jamie. Young Jamie.
1:06:15
Speaker 3: But what were you saying?
1:06:16
Speaker 2: The UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period.
1:06:21
There's nothing even close. The product is so much better
1:06:23
than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought
1:06:27
to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend
1:06:29
Josh Dubin, he was like, the fucking production's incredible. He goes,
1:06:34
it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's
1:06:37
so much better. That is 100% true. They've also been
1:06:40
a consolidated organization forever. Right. I mean, it was a
1:06:44
different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day
1:06:48
in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on.
1:06:52
So for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa. Right.
1:06:57
They sold Zufa. Now Zufa sold to Ari Emanuel and
1:07:01
TKO and. But the same people are running it, right?
1:07:04
It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind
1:07:07
the scenes. That's another conversation. Yeah, it's still Anik. It's
1:07:10
still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the
1:07:13
other people that are doing commentary and, you know, Dominic
1:07:16
Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still the
1:07:21
team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same.
1:07:23
It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show
1:07:26
up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in
1:07:30
and say hi to everybody. I show my badge to
1:07:32
the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down.
1:07:36
Everything is smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great.
1:07:39
Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. Everything is on point.
1:07:44
Speaker 3: It's so easy.
1:07:46
Speaker 2: And it's like the production in the truck is so
1:07:49
fucking good. They always have the right angle. Giordano is
1:07:52
always on the case when it comes to like getting
1:07:54
the right angle for a submission or getting the right
1:07:56
angle for replays. If I ask for something, I got
1:07:59
it right away. Like, like I'll push the button, you know,
1:08:02
let me hear his corner.
1:08:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:08:03
Speaker 2: Cause it's boom. They're right on it. It's they're the
1:08:06
best high level. They're the best. And you notice that
1:08:08
when you see other promotions, it's like the other promotions,
1:08:11
the camera works on as good. It's like, it's the
1:08:15
machine is so good. And, It's become like the NFL. Like,
1:08:19
I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard
1:08:22
of a game. I've never even heard of a game.
1:08:23
Name one player. No one's even brought up a game
1:08:26
that's going to happen. Never. I know it's a thing. Never.
1:08:28
And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL.
1:08:31
Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's
1:08:34
really good fighters in the PFL. Far cry from the UFC,
1:08:37
but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. That
1:08:39
cat that just knocked out Hennep Farrar, the guy who's
1:08:42
the heavyweight... That is Fedor's protege. Oh, yeah, yeah, the
1:08:46
Russian cat. Bro. He's good. Bro. He's good. In the
1:08:50
UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that cat.
1:08:53
We could use him. I'd like to show up at
1:08:54
that dude's hotel room in a fucking briefcase full of money. Like,
1:08:58
let's go, dawg.
1:09:00
Speaker 3: But yeah, my thing with the UFC and when you
1:09:02
talk about the staff and you got to give them
1:09:04
their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out.
1:09:06
Speaker 2: They're the best. By far the best. It's the best
1:09:07
organization by far. And they deserve to be rich because
1:09:10
of that. They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters, though.
1:09:14
I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now,
1:09:19
this is my position with my comedy club. So my
1:09:22
comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters,
1:09:26
the fighters, the comedians make most of the money when
1:09:29
it comes to the door. That's how it should be.
1:09:32
Speaker 3: But let me ask you this, Joe. And if it's
1:09:33
too much, like, dude, get the fuck out of it.
1:09:35
But is your is the mothership compared to the comedy store,
1:09:40
the improv?
1:09:40
Speaker 2: Are you guys crushing them? It's doing really well. I mean,
1:09:43
the Comedy Store is always going to be one of
1:09:45
the great clubs on Earth. It's a legendary club. It's
1:09:49
dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the
1:09:51
Comedy Store does it and the way we do it.
1:09:54
is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend.
1:09:57
Like the weekend, it might be Dave Attell.
1:09:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:09:59
Speaker 2: This week is Tony Rock.
1:10:00
Speaker 3: Is there another club that does that? Is there, because
1:10:02
the coming store is a little different because you have
1:10:03
your regulars. Is there another club that does that?
1:10:05
Speaker 1: Sure.
1:10:06
Speaker 2: Most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is,
1:10:08
they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays. Yeah,
1:10:10
I know. So the weekdays, we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White,
1:10:13
Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup.
1:10:17
That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that?
1:10:19
Speaker 3: Because the comics have to be, but my whole point is,
1:10:21
however you run your business, it's like, Is the model
1:10:24
where you're doing it, where the comics are making the
1:10:27
majority of the money, is that a sustainable business?
1:10:30
Speaker 2: 100%. It makes money. If we take Joe.
1:10:33
Speaker 3: Rogan out of it and some dude wants to start
1:10:36
a club and did the same thing, is that going
1:10:38
to be profitable? No.
1:10:39
Speaker 2: You have to have the talent, but that's the difference.
1:10:41
It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC.
1:10:43
You have to have the talent, right? And the reason
1:10:46
why our club works is because– Look, it's pure luck.
1:10:51
It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had
1:10:53
to hit every green light. COVID had to happen. The
1:10:58
comedy store had to get shut down. All the employees
1:11:00
from the comedy store had to get fired. We had
1:11:03
to not be able to do stand-up in L.A. I
1:11:06
had to be worried about my family and the crime
1:11:09
and the riots. And then the COVID shit where everyone
1:11:13
was wearing a mask. I was like, this is bananas.
1:11:15
And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.
1:11:18
Speaker 3: But you got to give yourself credit. Like luck, yes,
1:11:21
but you were also the guy that had the idea
1:11:23
to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You
1:11:25
didn't have to do that.
1:11:26
Speaker 2: That is true. But it's all a lot of luck
1:11:28
because it had to happen at the right time. It
1:11:30
had to happen at a time in my career where
1:11:32
I had a lot of money. So it had to
1:11:34
happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had
1:11:37
all this money. Yeah. And then it all had a
1:11:39
lineup where I was already the number one podcast in
1:11:41
the world. So I could easily get people to come.
1:11:43
Speaker 3: Because of you, Joe. I understand.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: I get the like thing. But it had the line.
1:11:46
And you're humble. No, no, no. I'm just being honest.
1:11:49
Like it had a line up. So I couldn't have
1:11:52
done it on my own. I had to come here.
1:11:56
And Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a
1:11:58
big reason why the club. I mean, he's one of
1:12:00
the main reasons why I moved.
1:12:01
Speaker 3: I know.
1:12:02
Speaker 2: Because I was like, yeah, even if I never do
1:12:04
comedy again and I was really wondering if we're ever
1:12:06
going to do comedy again. Ron's here. I'll hang out
1:12:08
with Ron. We'll have laughs. Yeah. So when I moved
1:12:11
here and then all of a sudden Tony moved here
1:12:12
and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved
1:12:14
here and Hassan moved here and Derek Poston moved here.
1:12:17
And it was like, oh, shit, we got something cooking.
1:12:20
And then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like, oh,
1:12:22
my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like,
1:12:24
holy shit. Well, they're moving because you're here. I understand.
1:12:28
You're the mothership.
1:12:29
Speaker 1: Right.
1:12:29
Speaker 2: But they had to do it before the mothership even opened.
1:12:32
Speaker 3: Take a shot.
1:12:33
Speaker 2: They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after
1:12:36
the mothership opened. But they all came in early and
1:12:41
trusted me. Yes. And so I was like, okay, these guys,
1:12:45
I owe them. They took a chance with their future.
1:12:49
I have to throw everything into this and all together
1:12:53
we'll do it. Yeah. So it's our club. It's really
1:12:55
our club. But it had to happen in a way
1:12:58
where I had this– disposable money I had disposable income
1:13:02
where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me
1:13:04
and then I could set it up in a way
1:13:05
where the comics make so much money so that way
1:13:08
you encourage people to stay so there's so many people
1:13:11
that are there all week long during the week they
1:13:13
don't have to go do shows other places they can
1:13:15
make money at their home club you're doing it.
1:13:17
Speaker 3: Right I guess my example like can the UFC do
1:13:20
that because my example for you it's like can these
1:13:22
other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and
1:13:25
have money.
1:13:26
Speaker 2: They could in New York and they might be able
1:13:28
to do it in LA So I don't think you
1:13:30
could do it in L.A. right now because the store
1:13:32
is open. And the store is always going to be
1:13:34
the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So
1:13:37
it's on Sunset Strip. Even though L.A. is falling apart,
1:13:40
it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one
1:13:44
of the main reasons why I was excited to move
1:13:45
to L.A. It was Mecca. It was when I was
1:13:48
a beginner and an open mic-er in 1988. They would
1:13:52
talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you
1:13:54
had to go to the store.
1:13:55
Speaker 3: They still do, though.
1:13:56
Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever gone away.
1:13:58
Speaker 1: Of course.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: It's– The store comes and goes in cycles. It always does.
1:14:02
It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town,
1:14:05
who's there. It's a very– all comedy clubs are dependent
1:14:08
upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And
1:14:11
if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's
1:14:14
the difference. So the store doesn't bring in headliners for
1:14:17
the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott,
1:14:21
Scott Shore. I was like– I think– no, it was Peter.
1:14:24
Speaker 3: Sorry.
1:14:24
Speaker 2: Sorry. I told Peter Shore. I was like, I think
1:14:27
you guys should do that. I think you should like bring.
1:14:29
Speaker 3: In– But do they have to though? Because you can
1:14:31
still go on a Saturday night and you'll see big names.
1:14:33
Speaker 2: Yes, you will. Big names. But you could have those
1:14:36
people there still as well. Like they could also do
1:14:39
shows with that person and you have two other rooms.
1:14:41
And that's what you guys– You have the OR and
1:14:43
you have the belly room. You have three rooms in
1:14:46
one location. Like you could still have– The OR filled
1:14:49
with top talent because they don't give a fuck where
1:14:52
they're performing in the big stage or the little stage.
1:14:54
In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The
1:14:56
OR is an amazing room. But the thing is, it's
1:15:00
like you have to have enough talent in town. And
1:15:02
a lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot
1:15:04
of people moved out. Joey Diaz moved out of L.A.
1:15:07
Like a lot of people moved out. Theo moved out.
1:15:10
A lot of people moved out. So the problem is
1:15:13
you would have to have enough talent there and then
1:15:16
you would have to have talent that was there all
1:15:18
the time like us. Like we're at the club all
1:15:21
the time.
1:15:22
Speaker 3: I think– and going back to if the UFC could
1:15:25
do this, like they're profiting so much now.
1:15:27
Speaker 2: There's no reason to. I understand. That's the other issue.
1:15:31
This is the problem. Do you want to hear my
1:15:32
idea though? This is rational.
1:15:33
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear my idea?
1:15:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you might be like you're out of your
1:15:35
fucking mind. OK.
1:15:36
Speaker 3: And it's– and again, I'm not– Nothing. You cut my
1:15:40
fucking wrist right now. Bob O'Reilly spills out. I fucking
1:15:42
bleed UFC. I made my entire career. When that Paramount
1:15:47
deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that
1:15:49
Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is,
1:15:52
and this is the issue why things will never change,
1:15:56
I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters,
1:15:59
and said, we're not fighting another fight. They just signed
1:16:02
a huge deal, $ 7.
1:16:02
Speaker 2: 7 million.
1:16:04
Speaker 3: If you guys want to get your equal share of
1:16:06
nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card,
1:16:10
unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure
1:16:13
out 30%. So it's 18% right now. If we go
1:16:15
up 30%, which they're still going to have profit, if
1:16:18
they agree to that, then we'll fight. But there's no
1:16:21
deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now,
1:16:24
so you missed the mark. Now you're going to say, yeah,
1:16:27
but they can get other guys to do that. And
1:16:29
I'm saying across the board, we all agree that, As fighters,
1:16:33
we're not going to fucking move an inch.
1:16:35
Speaker 2: If you can get fighters to agree to that, it
1:16:38
would work. That's the problem. It'll never happen. Not in
1:16:41
a million years.
1:16:41
Speaker 3: That was my idea.
1:16:42
Speaker 2: Then here's the other thought. Rally the troops. Dana White
1:16:45
has this thought about fighters that when they get paid
1:16:48
too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. Oh,
1:16:52
that's the other— Armand Saroukian. And he's right. Yeah. And
1:16:55
he's right.
1:16:55
Speaker 3: Well, there's Armand, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part,
1:16:59
he's right. Don't go through anybody's career.
1:17:01
Speaker 2: He's kind of right. He's kind of right, but it
1:17:03
doesn't matter. That's on them. Yeah, agree. That's on them. Yeah,
1:17:07
that's fair. Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't
1:17:10
protect them unless— You have a bonus that you're going
1:17:12
to pay them out when they retire. And they're not
1:17:14
going to do that. But the other thing, I think
1:17:16
Sean Shelby said this. It might have been McManier.
1:17:19
Speaker 3: One of them was like, the other issue we have
1:17:21
is when guys get paid a lot and then we
1:17:24
offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we want
1:17:26
to make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like,
1:17:28
I'm not fighting that fucking guy.
1:17:30
Speaker 2: It's a nightmare. I know.
1:17:32
Speaker 3: But again, you can't base it off of that because
1:17:34
I'm sure there's some guys who will do it.
1:17:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:17:37
Speaker 2: And you fuck with them.
1:17:38
Speaker 3: But it's not a reason not to pay them.
1:17:40
Speaker 2: Listen, it's... All this is hippie talk. But I feel
1:17:46
like if I owned the UFC, I would not feel
1:17:51
good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just
1:17:55
my feeling. And I'm not a good businessman. If you
1:18:00
want to be a good businessman, you got to make
1:18:01
the most money possible. I don't know, Joe. You've done
1:18:03
pretty fucking well, Bubba. A lot of luck. A lot
1:18:06
of luck.
1:18:06
Speaker 3: You got to quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts.
1:18:08
Speaker 2: No, but it is. You're driving me nuts, dude.
1:18:09
Speaker 3: You work harder than anybody else.
1:18:11
Speaker 2: Well, I work hard when I, listen, I stick with
1:18:14
things and I have a good work ethic. That is true.
1:18:17
That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm
1:18:19
not like a businessman in the sense of like if
1:18:22
I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat
1:18:24
it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to
1:18:26
make the most money possible. I would say I got money.
1:18:29
And let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of
1:18:32
all time and make everybody feel good about it.
1:18:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs.
1:18:36
I don't know if you can run an organization like
1:18:39
that and be profitable.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, it would be profitable, but it
1:18:41
wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you
1:18:44
have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an
1:18:47
obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.
1:18:50
Speaker 3: And this is the only knock on the UCI I
1:18:53
have is in order to get that $ 7. 7 billion deal,
1:18:58
you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight
1:19:00
cards a year.
1:19:01
Speaker 2: Right.
1:19:02
Speaker 3: So like those fight nights. So now- You don't really
1:19:05
have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards.
1:19:08
But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're
1:19:11
getting just– you're signing these contender series kids who have
1:19:15
three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys
1:19:18
ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in.
1:19:20
But now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're
1:19:22
getting a lower level of talent.
1:19:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So one of the players
1:19:29
in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to
1:19:31
the UFC, was Netflix. They were one of the players. Interesting.
1:19:35
They were one of the people that were thinking about
1:19:37
doing it. Um, so there was negotiations with them. There's
1:19:40
negotiations with ESPN and ultimately Paramount was like this wild
1:19:44
dark horse. They came around with the big money.
1:19:46
Speaker 3: And I like Paramount.
1:19:47
Speaker 2: I have no issues.
1:19:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:19:48
Speaker 2: Look, I love ads are weird, but whatever. I love
1:19:50
mob land. I love land. Land man. Yeah. Mob land
1:19:54
is fucking great. Everyone's that. Fuck.
1:19:56
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:19:56
Speaker 1: Fuck.
1:19:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Great.
1:19:57
Speaker 3: He's an Audi. He's R6 in that.
1:19:58
Speaker 1: So bad. Me too.
1:19:59
Speaker 3: I was trying to convince my wife.
1:20:01
Speaker 2: I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy
1:20:03
drive that. They're fucking sick. They're so sick. It's a
1:20:06
great show. But Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense.
1:20:11
I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact
1:20:13
there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing
1:20:18
it– because I think Netflix didn't want the– I might
1:20:21
be talking out of school, but I'll just say it.
1:20:23
I believe what I heard– here's the caveat– is that
1:20:27
Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not
1:20:30
want fight night. Good for them. Yeah. They only wanted
1:20:35
the big ones. They're like, get that shit out of here. Well,
1:20:38
some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. We like
1:20:40
them because we're degenerate.
1:20:41
Speaker 3: Right. The public's like, who the fuck are these guys?
1:20:43
Speaker 2: And the Apex, there's no one there. Yeah.
1:20:46
Speaker 3: I love that Netflix is like, we'll take these.
1:20:48
Speaker 2: I love the Apex fights. I love it all. I've
1:20:49
been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm
1:20:52
trying to find the right one just to go and watch.
1:20:54
Speaker 3: I'll go with you.
1:20:55
Speaker 2: Let's fucking go. I would love that. I just want
1:20:57
to go to watch because they'll let you in if
1:20:59
you come with me. Yeah. I feel like I don't
1:21:02
have any enemies there anymore. I kind of stood by
1:21:04
the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it. That's
1:21:07
how they said it, which we understood from the get-go.
1:21:09
Ted Sarandos, who I love. Bella Bajaria. I don't know her.
1:21:15
We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events.
1:21:18
So the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view,
1:21:20
which is just... We were just going to put on
1:21:22
the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber.
1:21:25
As long as you just give us that, we're in.
1:21:28
We'll pay premium for it. But we don't want to
1:21:30
carry the other 30 fight nights.
1:21:32
Speaker 3: They said we don't want the bullshit.
1:21:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:21:33
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. But then where would those 30 fight
1:21:35
nights go? That's the question.
1:21:37
Speaker 3: But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you– Fight Pass.
1:21:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fight Pass. Fight Pass. You could do that. Fight Pass.
1:21:43
Speaker 3: But to– again, the business side of it– The Zufa
1:21:48
or TKO is going, well, hold on. The reason we
1:21:50
get such a big nut, $ 7. 7 billion, because we offer
1:21:54
so much content. You guys are trying to do what
1:21:56
our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just
1:21:59
one big fight every once a month, which for the
1:22:03
fans is fucking awesome.
1:22:05
Speaker 2: It makes sense for Zufa. And it makes sense for Netflix.
1:22:09
I get it. All of it makes sense. It just
1:22:11
wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is
1:22:14
now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money.
1:22:20
Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a
1:22:23
tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the
1:22:27
MMA game.
1:22:28
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. Have you heard anybody
1:22:31
talk about it?
1:22:32
Speaker 2: Keep going. Us? Dorks like you and me? Keep going. No.
1:22:35
No one in the real world is talking about it
1:22:36
to me. But that's okay. The point is they're going
1:22:40
to do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I
1:22:42
guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet
1:22:45
they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see
1:22:48
if it's sold out.
1:22:49
Speaker 3: It's definitely not, and the tickets are $ 88. But this
1:22:54
is where it gets tricky because the more places fighters
1:23:00
have to go, the better because UFC has no competition.
1:23:02
It's a monopoly. All good, which NFL is, NBA is.
1:23:05
I have no issues with that. Right. So if fighters,
1:23:07
big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid.
1:23:10
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Right.
1:23:11
Speaker 3: The issue with Netflix and getting MMA, it's like my
1:23:14
thing would be, well, what's the plan here?
1:23:16
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
1:23:17
Speaker 3: So Ronda and Gina fight this weekend. You got two
1:23:19
four-year-olds fighting the main event.
1:23:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:23:22
Speaker 3: It's going to get good numbers. But again– and you
1:23:25
know this. You've been in business with Netflix. They're not
1:23:27
going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate,
1:23:29
they don't give you the real numbers.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: No, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you.
1:23:32
They say, you did great.
1:23:32
Speaker 3: They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden,
1:23:34
Jake Paul did 400 million people.
1:23:36
Speaker 2: I'm like– Really? Did he? So they're going to say. Well,
1:23:40
Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?
1:23:43
Speaker 3: Netflix said this.
1:23:43
Speaker 2: No, Netflix said 400 million people watch it. Some bullshit
1:23:46
like that.
1:23:46
Speaker 3: Some bullshit.
1:23:46
Speaker 2: How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have
1:23:48
that many.
1:23:49
Speaker 3: I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton
1:23:50
of people.
1:23:51
Speaker 1: That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers.
1:23:54
Speaker 2: So 100 million people were hiring it. So say 100 million. Yeah, yeah.
1:23:57
Speaker 3: So say 100. And right now, you know, and I
1:24:00
get Rhonda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like,
1:24:02
we're going to destroy the White House.
1:24:04
Speaker 2: I disagree. I don't think it does. But Netflix will
1:24:07
tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if
1:24:10
it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua,
1:24:13
33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. That's really good.
1:24:18
I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzak Chamayev numbers were.
1:24:24
They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were.
1:24:27
I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount
1:24:30
does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has.
1:24:33
How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I
1:24:35
think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers
1:24:38
does Paramount Plus have? But this is what you're not
1:24:41
taking into consideration.
1:24:43
Speaker 3: Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in
1:24:47
Canada and other– The Paramount in Europe, there's not a thing.
1:24:52
Speaker 2: Right.
1:24:52
Speaker 3: So what are those views now? Right.
1:24:54
Speaker 2: You know, like when we're adding all this up. Can
1:24:56
they get Paramount in other countries?
1:24:58
Speaker 3: I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that.
1:25:00
They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there.
1:25:02
Speaker 2: They have a different deal.
1:25:04
Speaker 3: Oh, interesting.
1:25:04
Speaker 2: And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view. Interesting. I
1:25:08
think you're right. I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers.
1:25:13
So that's a big difference between, it says globally. Yeah,
1:25:17
half of them are in the U.S., 35 million are
1:25:19
in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is
1:25:22
not in? Let's put that into– Yeah.
1:25:25
Speaker 1: But I still think that UFC deal was just for
1:25:27
the U.S.
1:25:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just for the U.S.
1:25:29
Speaker 2: Just for the U.S.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:25:29
Speaker 2: OK.
1:25:30
Speaker 3: Because UK is Sky Sports.
1:25:31
Speaker 2: So that means there's only 35 million people that it's reaching, period.
1:25:35
So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number, the
1:25:38
Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight. If that's
1:25:40
an accurate number, 33 million, they're never going to get
1:25:42
to that. But remember the White House is also on CBS. Yeah.
1:25:45
That's different. How many people have CBS? How many people
1:25:49
are watching regular TV? That's wild. I mean, maybe they
1:25:52
might 30 more views. Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk.
1:25:55
Speaker 3: That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado.
1:25:58
Speaker 2: Use your rabbit ears.
1:25:59
Speaker 3: Pick it up.
1:25:59
Speaker 2: They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy.
1:26:03
Speaker 3: Crazy.
1:26:04
Speaker 2: Like some people have to fucking move the antenna. The
1:26:06
signal's coming in bad.
1:26:08
Speaker 3: Crazy.
1:26:08
Speaker 2: There's some people out there with regular TV. Yeah.
1:26:11
Speaker 1: That's wild.
1:26:12
Speaker 2: Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy.
1:26:14
Speaker 3: And they're just getting their news from like, you know.
1:26:16
Speaker 2: Robots.
1:26:17
Speaker 3: Fox and fucking.
1:26:19
Speaker 2: They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah.
1:26:23
Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear
1:26:26
on Fox. Can they? I believe so. Because if it's
1:26:30
on cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow.
1:26:33
I think so.
1:26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think Fox is. Well, there's a
1:26:37
broadcast version of Fox, though.
1:26:39
Speaker 2: Right, but is it regulated?
1:26:42
Speaker 1: But if it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole.
1:26:44
Speaker 2: But Fox still is cable. Right, but broadcast and cable.
1:26:48
So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version?
1:26:50
So there's a version.
1:26:51
Speaker 1: It all has to do with over the air. What's
1:26:53
available through the air.
1:26:54
Speaker 3: Right.
1:26:54
Speaker 1: That's what the FCC is.
1:26:55
Speaker 2: So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get
1:26:58
it with a regular antenna?
1:26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like a local Fox.
1:27:01
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right.
1:27:04
Speaker 1: Okay. It came way later.
1:27:06
Speaker 2: That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was
1:27:08
just cable. Channel 31.
1:27:10
Speaker 3: I remember we wanted to show The Simpsons and Married
1:27:12
With Children.
1:27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:27:13
Speaker 2: Simpsons too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong.
1:27:18
I think I am.
1:27:18
Speaker 1: It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of
1:27:21
signals in most places.
1:27:22
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. But it was always broadcast. Okay.
1:27:25
Speaker 3: Mine have fucking times changed now because there's like, you
1:27:28
talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so
1:27:32
many good shows out there. But it's like hot for
1:27:34
like a week. And then something else comes.
1:27:36
Speaker 2: There's too many things.
1:27:37
Speaker 3: There's too much. There would never be Game of Thrones
1:27:41
or Sopranos where the entire world shuts down. We all
1:27:44
just kind of binge it when we want.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: True.
1:27:47
Speaker 3: And there's a new show here. It's not good, man.
1:27:49
Speaker 1: True.
1:27:50
Speaker 2: That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now.
1:27:53
Speaker 3: I was talking about my Gearhead's Gone Wild on Tubi.
1:27:57
Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers.
1:28:00
Speaker 2: They're big.
1:28:01
Speaker 3: But trying to sell a show these days?
1:28:04
Speaker 2: 300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tubi's fucking massive.
1:28:06
Speaker 3: I didn't know either. I didn't know either.
1:28:08
Speaker 2: When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again,
1:28:11
trying to sell a show.
1:28:12
Speaker 3: Is fucking tough.
1:28:13
Speaker 2: A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had
1:28:16
that many subscribers.
1:28:18
Speaker 3: Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating
1:28:22
this episode.
1:28:22
Speaker 1: They surpassed 100 million monthly active users.
1:28:27
Speaker 2: How many subscribers do they have in total?
1:28:30
Speaker 3: I know the numbers are alarming.
1:28:32
Speaker 2: Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a
1:28:34
YouTube thing? We could just like view it.
1:28:36
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad
1:28:39
supported stream. service rather than subscription-based model.
1:28:42
Speaker 2: It's free, but.
1:28:43
Speaker 3: They have subscribed. And then you can get the non-ad
1:28:46
paid where you pay, I think.
1:28:48
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. So you can just get it for free.
1:28:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, like YouTube.
1:28:51
Speaker 2: YouTube, right? YouTube is probably the biggest. They probably have
1:28:56
the most active viewers worldwide. Yeah. Not even close, right?
1:29:01
Speaker 3: But then remember they tried doing like shows and it
1:29:03
just ate shit? Like YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red?
1:29:07
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. They're like making offers. I remember YouTube Red.
1:29:11
That's crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on
1:29:15
YouTube can do really well. Like Mr. Beast. Yeah.
1:29:18
Speaker 3: But I think YouTube Red was like kind of a
1:29:20
little before that, right? And they're like, put your shows
1:29:22
on here.
1:29:23
Speaker 2: They jumped the gun.
1:29:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:29:24
Speaker 2: They jumped the gun. Mr.
1:29:25
Speaker 3: Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out
1:29:27
and everybody in the world will watch it.
1:29:29
Speaker 2: The thing about it, if you put your shit on YouTube,
1:29:31
there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's
1:29:36
the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see,
1:29:39
like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in.
1:29:43
Everything's niche now. It's like, like there's people out there.
1:29:46
We don't even know. And like my kids are like,
1:29:48
daddy has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck?
1:29:52
I know. I know. You know how much money he's making?
1:29:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:29:55
Speaker 3: It's all niche.
1:29:57
Speaker 2: There's that. But then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot
1:30:00
of these. Astroturfing is when you, you have fake. downloads
1:30:07
fake views you have like companies that you can hire
1:30:11
and they will get you views but so but here's
1:30:13
the thing that's gonna fuck you it'll fuck you but
1:30:15
but the point is people still do it and they
1:30:18
do it because it's you can do it right now
1:30:20
right and so what that means is like say if
1:30:23
you have like Millions and millions of subscribers. And then
1:30:27
you look at the views. The views are hundreds of
1:30:29
thousands of views. Then you look at the comments, like
1:30:31
five comments. Six comments. You're like, what the fuck is
1:30:33
going on? What's going on here?
1:30:35
Speaker 3: But it's a weird thing to do because in order
1:30:37
to make money, YouTube sees the back end.
1:30:40
Speaker 2: So if you're trying to make money off your show,
1:30:43
you're not going to make money. But it'll get bigger
1:30:45
because of the number. So here's the thing. So if
1:30:47
you go to like BrendanChobb.com, if you did that, if
1:30:50
you have Brendan Chobb's YouTube channel, And I looked at it.
1:30:53
I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. I should
1:30:56
fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And
1:30:59
they'll click on your views or your videos more often.
1:31:01
Because they think they're like missing out. Like, clearly this
1:31:03
guy's doing something right. Of course. It definitely. I'm not
1:31:06
saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get
1:31:09
because of that. But it has an impact on how
1:31:11
people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're
1:31:15
trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a
1:31:18
brand endorsement deal, you're like, well, I've got. 20 million
1:31:21
subscribers on YouTube, like, oh, this guy's That's true. Yeah,
1:31:25
it definitely does.
1:31:26
Speaker 3: But then they're like, but there's three comments.
1:31:28
Speaker 2: Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in
1:31:32
the early days of podcasts where they would rig things
1:31:35
to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
1:31:40
Speaker 3: And then someone came and regulated it.
1:31:42
Speaker 2: Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. No, no, no.
1:31:45
Speaker 3: It was someone who was running because we're all kind
1:31:47
of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian,
1:31:50
I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? 30
1:31:52
mil dude this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I
1:31:55
got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then
1:31:57
someone came in. It was like, actually.
1:31:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone
1:32:02
clicked on it, it would count. So that like, I
1:32:05
I'm talking completely. If they started, stopped it. Right. Counted
1:32:09
over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And
1:32:12
I think they do that with other things too. Like,
1:32:15
so you have to figure out like who the actual
1:32:17
number of people, but people have been accused of, You
1:32:22
could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers.
1:32:27
There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know
1:32:30
if it's legit or legal, but I know for a
1:32:31
fact that some people have done that.
1:32:32
Speaker 3: But doesn't Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they
1:32:34
try to shut that shit down?
1:32:36
Speaker 2: They definitely do. millions of bots over the weekend 100
1:32:40
and i i notice it sometimes i'll notice it well
1:32:42
lose like a hundred thousand.
1:32:43
Speaker 3: Yeah i lost a hundred thousand yeah but yeah.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: There are bots 100 and there's a ton of them
1:32:48
and they catch some of them but some of them
1:32:50
are more sophisticated in their approach and then they adjust
1:32:53
so once they realize what gets them caught you could
1:32:56
run an ai program yeah so if you run an
1:32:58
ai program and you have a like if you're in
1:33:00
fucking singapore or wherever you're at doing this You could
1:33:03
run an AI program that controls a bunch of different
1:33:07
cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts. And
1:33:10
you could have them even commenting on things. And you'll
1:33:13
notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive
1:33:17
or negative. And it seems like a fucking person, man.
1:33:21
But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers
1:33:24
after a couple of letters or a name like Bob567254.
1:33:29
And then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's
1:33:31
a person. And then you go to Bob's account and
1:33:33
you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. Meanwhile,
1:33:37
Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things
1:33:39
all the time. And most likely what this is, is
1:33:43
it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but
1:33:47
because of AI and because of programs you could run.
1:33:50
There's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth.
1:33:53
Speaker 1: Me and Sean were talking about before you got here.
1:33:55
I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The
1:33:57
streamers paying for the next level of what you're describing.
1:34:02
So it's not AI doing it.
1:34:03
Speaker 2: Have you heard of Clippers? Yes.
1:34:04
Speaker 1: They're paying for– there's thousands of people that are just
1:34:06
sitting around at home making a shitload of money.
1:34:09
Speaker 2: A ton of money.
1:34:10
Speaker 1: And they're posting– Because you'll think certain people are bigger
1:34:14
than they are.
1:34:14
Speaker 2: Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like that's all
1:34:16
by design. And you can pay for that too. So
1:34:19
that's probably legal, right?
1:34:21
Speaker 1: No? I mean, why would it– should it be?
1:34:26
Speaker 2: Right. I mean it all depends on what are you–
1:34:29
What are you doing? Are you getting money from it?
1:34:31
Are you getting advertising revenue from it?
1:34:34
Speaker 3: To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because
1:34:37
to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know
1:34:38
him and he's getting views online. But does that equal
1:34:42
actual fans?
1:34:43
Speaker 2: I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes.
1:34:49
And a few people are going to hop on board.
1:34:52
But as far as your general casual that will tune
1:34:55
in for a UFC fight card, no. Not necessarily. It's
1:35:00
also a younger demo, right?
1:35:01
Speaker 3: Have you ever watched a stream?
1:35:03
Speaker 2: No. You're older than me. No, never watched a stream.
1:35:06
I had a talk with a streaming company the other day.
1:35:07
I'm like, do what? Wait, wait. You want me to
1:35:10
seven days a week turn on.
1:35:11
Speaker 3: A camera and air my breakfast and shit?
1:35:14
Speaker 2: Like hanging out with my family? Well, the streaming thing
1:35:17
is nuts where people just live online. First of all,
1:35:20
how bad is that for your back? And you're just
1:35:22
ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good.
1:35:25
Speaker 3: But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it,
1:35:28
making stupid money.
1:35:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage.
1:35:32
You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah. It's a good move.
1:35:34
Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well.
1:35:38
It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of
1:35:40
different things. He's crushing other. And he's also got a
1:35:42
great personality. He's great. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that.
1:35:45
But some people, you know... It ain't their thing. Shouldn't
1:35:49
be doing that. But streaming is like the biggest thing. Yeah, Jamie? Yeah.
1:35:53
Speaker 3: I get me sound old as fuck.
1:35:54
Speaker 2: We're old. Yeah. Also, that's live. You know, it's also
1:35:58
it's like, what are you doing with your life? I
1:36:02
got things to do. I know. I can't sit in
1:36:05
front of the camera for five hours a day. I
1:36:06
don't understand how anybody does it.
1:36:08
Speaker 3: But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not
1:36:11
fucking lit 24 hours a day.
1:36:12
Speaker 2: Well, they talk a lot of shit on camera, and
1:36:14
then they watch a bunch of things and react to things.
1:36:16
There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like,
1:36:19
for our channel, there was a lot of people that
1:36:21
were making a living just going on Twitch and these
1:36:25
other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming your shit? Streaming
1:36:28
my show and commenting on it. Like reaction videos. Yeah,
1:36:31
getting mad about things we said. But they were doing
1:36:34
it through the– they were playing the whole show out.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: Oh.
1:36:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was
1:36:40
very weird because they were commenting on it. But it
1:36:43
was like your entire content was based on my content
1:36:46
and your reaction to my content. But it's weird. You're
1:36:51
dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever
1:36:54
you're doing. There was a lot of that going on.
1:36:57
And so then there's a lot of people that are watching.
1:36:59
whether it's Mr. Beast's show and commenting on that or
1:37:01
other shows and commenting on that. So they're watching stuff online.
1:37:04
Someone will send them a video of a guy getting
1:37:06
in a street fight to comment on that. Yeah. It's
1:37:08
reaction videos. And they're interacting with all these people that
1:37:11
are in the comments. And they're making money off of it. Yeah,
1:37:14
and they're talking to these people that are in the comments.
1:37:16
It's weird. First of all, if you think that social
1:37:19
media is bad for your mental health. Oh, my God.
1:37:22
Speaker 3: Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off,
1:37:25
and I was going somewhere. I was going to this–
1:37:28
This car shop. My truck's in the shop. And I
1:37:31
was driving my father-in-law's car. And I see a high
1:37:33
school bus. Lake Travis High School. I live right by
1:37:35
Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis High School bus
1:37:37
pull up. I just look over.
1:37:39
Speaker 2: Every single kid. Staring at their phone. On their phone. Yep.
1:37:43
Speaker 3: Not talking to each other.
1:37:44
Speaker 2: No.
1:37:45
Speaker 3: It bummed me out so fucking bad. I know.
1:37:47
Speaker 2: It's weird.
1:37:47
Speaker 3: You know the fun we used to have on that bus?
1:37:50
Speaker 2: I know. And no one's talking to each other. I know.
1:37:52
Speaker 3: The bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are
1:37:55
doing it wrong. Well, it's not just doing it wrong.
1:37:57
I want to jump on that bus and be like, hey, listen,
1:37:58
I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking
1:38:00
up right now.
1:38:01
Speaker 2: Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings
1:38:05
are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the
1:38:09
digital world, and this is the first steps. These are
1:38:11
the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone
1:38:13
all day. But we know it's not good.
1:38:16
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:38:16
Speaker 2: No, it's not good.
1:38:17
Speaker 3: So we're just going to continue to go down this
1:38:18
shit road?
1:38:19
Speaker 2: You don't think there's anything we can do?
1:38:21
Speaker 3: Nope.
1:38:21
Speaker 1: Nope.
1:38:21
Speaker 2: People are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I
1:38:25
don't see anything changing. I think if anything, it's going
1:38:29
to get more. invasive and then it's probably I mean
1:38:35
who knows just guessing what the next technology is going
1:38:37
to be but as this technology moves forward it's going
1:38:41
to get more invasive. It's going to get more you're
1:38:44
going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck
1:38:48
it is. However they're going to do it, whether it's
1:38:50
going to be some new tech that lets you communicate
1:38:53
with people with a headset and you're reading each other's
1:38:56
minds or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality
1:39:01
or virtual reality.
1:39:01
Speaker 3: And you don't think anybody is like, man, we're heading
1:39:02
down a terrible road.
1:39:03
Speaker 2: They're not going to. No one is going to. They're
1:39:04
going to keep doing it. Just too much money? No,
1:39:06
it's just everyone is addicted and everyone uses it for
1:39:09
too many things. It's also a primary source of news
1:39:11
and information. I get all my like ideas– about like
1:39:18
how the world is working from social media not not
1:39:22
social media commentary but social media stories well someone will
1:39:26
post like this is going on in iran this is
1:39:28
going on here i get it off social media i
1:39:30
get it off x but you have to pick and
1:39:32
choose and what you pay attention to right yes dicey
1:39:35
and you got to find people that are not full
1:39:37
of shit and not click engagement because there's a lot
1:39:40
of click a lot of just clickbait bullshit majority is
1:39:42
yeah there's a lot of that but You also find
1:39:44
breaking news and you also find things that you wouldn't
1:39:47
know about, you know, like certain stories and certain things
1:39:51
that are happening in the news and certain really crazy stories.
1:39:55
They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This
1:39:57
is– this should be fucking huge.
1:39:59
Speaker 3: But you don't think it's going to be like– and
1:40:01
I know we have to use it. You don't think
1:40:02
it's going to be kind of like cigarettes like in
1:40:04
the 60s where everyone was doing it and then eventually–
1:40:07
The parents of those kids– I'm sorry. The children of
1:40:09
those parents go, what the– this is so bad for you?
1:40:12
Speaker 2: If it was a substance, I would agree.
1:40:14
Speaker 3: But it's addictive.
1:40:15
Speaker 2: It is addictive. But the problem is it's all facets
1:40:19
of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email.
1:40:22
It is how you take pictures and all your memories.
1:40:25
It is how you interact with a lot of people.
1:40:27
There's a lot of people. I don't even have their
1:40:28
phone numbers. I just– they DM me and I DM them.
1:40:31
I have friendships with people that are just DMs. So
1:40:36
it's– there's that. But that's basically the problem is that
1:40:42
it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes
1:40:45
never really were. We're relying on it. Yeah. You could–
1:40:47
there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even
1:40:49
when people smoked cigarettes– like let's look this up. Throw
1:40:54
this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. During the height of
1:40:58
smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked?
1:41:02
Let's guess. God, back in the– Back in the day,
1:41:05
whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever,
1:41:09
I think it was 50%. That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30%?
1:41:13
Crazy high. I was thinking like 33%. But it might
1:41:17
be higher because those old days, man, everybody had a
1:41:20
cigarette in their hand. Johnny Carson Show. Everyone. Yeah. People
1:41:24
walking on the street. Smoke on planes. Smoke on buses.
1:41:26
Smoke on trains.
1:41:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:41:27
Speaker 2: Everybody was walking down the street smoking. But what percentage
1:41:30
of those people were doing it?
1:41:32
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:41:33
Speaker 2: Okay. 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid-1960s, the height
1:41:38
of cigarette use in the U.S., roughly 40 to 45%
1:41:42
of adults smoked, which works out to the order of
1:41:44
80 to 90 million adults.
1:41:46
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:41:47
Speaker 3: That's a shit ton.
1:41:48
Speaker 2: That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association summary notes that
1:41:52
adult smoking has fallen from around 40 to 43% in
1:41:55
1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think
1:41:56
it's back. I think people are smoking it. Really?
1:42:02
Speaker 3: I feel like it's lower.
1:42:03
Speaker 2: I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now.
1:42:06
Speaker 1: Just outlawed it in San Francisco. Outside.
1:42:09
Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
1:42:10
Speaker 1: That's gay.
1:42:11
Speaker 2: That's San Francisco. That's gay. That makes sense. The San
1:42:13
Francisco tree. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK?
1:42:17
If you were born before or after a certain date,
1:42:21
you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.
1:42:26
Speaker 3: Just to stop people from- Exactly.
1:42:28
Speaker 2: So people that were born in like fucking whatever year,
1:42:32
whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21,
1:42:34
they will not be able to buy cigarettes.
1:42:36
Speaker 3: Just trying to eliminate cigarettes.
1:42:37
Speaker 2: But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were
1:42:39
born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded.
1:42:41
You don't know any better. You can buy cigarettes.
1:42:42
Speaker 3: That's so stupid.
1:42:43
Speaker 2: It's communism. It's socialism.
1:42:46
Speaker 3: Didn't they just run out the fucking– was it prime
1:42:49
minister or the fuck they called him?
1:42:50
Speaker 2: He's still there. I thought they ran him out to
1:42:51
bring somebody else in. They probably want to. They want to. Yeah,
1:42:54
but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism.
1:42:58
It's like it's the government telling you what to do.
1:43:01
When I say communism, I don't mean like they take
1:43:04
all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too.
1:43:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:43:06
Speaker 2: But what they do is they tell you what you
1:43:08
can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do.
1:43:10
They tell you what medications you have to take. It's
1:43:12
all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and
1:43:16
what to say and how to think. And they're going
1:43:18
to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling
1:43:22
them alcohol is fucking bananas. So dumb. It's bananas. It's dumb.
1:43:28
Speaker 3: But England's lost their way, man.
1:43:30
Speaker 2: They've lost their way. Identity, it's a fucking shit show. Well,
1:43:32
they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media
1:43:36
about the immigration crisis, primarily. Also other things, but criticizing
1:43:41
the government. And now they threw away jury trials for
1:43:44
those things. So now it's a judge. And so you
1:43:47
don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit
1:43:50
there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail.
1:43:52
His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said
1:43:55
some wild shit about immigrants and No, he shouldn't be
1:43:58
in jail for that.
1:43:58
Speaker 3: But my thing– like what's the agenda? Just to ruin–
1:44:02
just ruin the fucking– Control.
1:44:04
Speaker 2: So shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that
1:44:08
in part of the UK. The other thing is a
1:44:10
digital credit system, right? So a digital credit score, a
1:44:15
social score and some sort of centralized digital currency, which
1:44:20
I think we're probably– they're probably going to try to
1:44:22
move us all into eventually. But If they can attach
1:44:25
your social credit score with this digital currency, then you
1:44:29
have what they have in China. So in China, if
1:44:31
you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuckface?
1:44:35
You can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild.
1:44:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:44:38
Speaker 2: You can't get a loan.
1:44:39
Speaker 3: You can't get a house.
1:44:40
Speaker 2: And it keeps people in line. And then the government
1:44:43
can do its job without protests. Dude, can I piss
1:44:45
real quick? Let's piss. I've had two fucking energy drinks.
1:44:48
We'll be right back, folks.
1:44:50
Speaker 1: Ah.
1:44:51
Speaker 2: And we're back. So much better.
1:44:52
Speaker 1: I know.
1:44:52
Speaker 2: It's hard to concentrate when you have to piss. Bro,
1:44:54
you were talking. I was like, oh, man. I don't
1:44:56
want to hear this.
1:44:56
Speaker 3: I don't want to piss my pants.
1:44:58
Speaker 2: What were we talking about? Let's talk about your show.
1:45:01
Speaker 3: We have Cigar Brother?
1:45:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:45:04
Speaker 3: Hold on. Dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I
1:45:07
got roasted so hard online.
1:45:10
Speaker 2: I know. I didn't notice.
1:45:12
Speaker 3: I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards
1:45:14
from now on.
1:45:15
Speaker 2: Switch it up. It is funny, though. But it's really
1:45:20
the same. It's just where the label is.
1:45:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, man.
1:45:23
Speaker 2: What are these? I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. You
1:45:27
are a rebel. There you go, fella. Thanks, brother. Here's
1:45:33
the clipper. You know how this works.
1:45:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks.
1:45:37
Speaker 2: Make sure you clip the right spot. That one. There
1:45:40
you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not
1:45:44
a torpedo like the other one. So the other one.
1:45:47
You could get more confused because both ends were pointy.
1:45:50
Do you know how to do that? Yeah. Do you
1:45:51
need help? No, I got a big time.
1:45:52
Speaker 3: No, I'm... Dude, you know how many cigars I've smoked?
1:45:56
Speaker 2: Only in here. Oh, you light it.
1:46:01
Speaker 3: That's right.
1:46:05
Speaker 2: So your show. So your show is on 2B.
1:46:08
Speaker 3: 2B.
1:46:08
Speaker 2: Hey, so light this part, right? Well, no, but this part.
1:46:13
Which part? Yeah, light that part.
1:46:14
Speaker 3: It's fucking.
1:46:16
Speaker 2: Tricky, right?
1:46:17
Speaker 1: No?
1:46:17
Speaker 2: No. Just retarded? Yeah. Light the part that you didn't cut.
1:46:28
What is it called? What's your show called? Gary Head's
1:46:30
Gone Wild.
1:46:31
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
1:46:32
Speaker 2: Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same text and everything. Is
1:46:37
that a problem? No, hell no.
1:46:38
Speaker 3: That guy's, I think, on the lam in Mexico. I
1:46:42
think we're good.
1:46:43
Speaker 2: Is he really?
1:46:43
Speaker 3: Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so.
1:46:46
Speaker 2: Either way, we're good. Didn't he get, like, kidnapped and
1:46:48
they fucking sodomized him?
1:46:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. It turned out pretty sad for him. Yeah,
1:46:55
it's a car. I mean, it's shit we would be
1:46:58
doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make
1:47:00
a TV show out of it. So, like, I went
1:47:02
to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me.
1:47:06
Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin.
1:47:10
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those?
1:47:13
Speaker 1: God.
1:47:13
Speaker 2: Those off-road ones? I think Russell makes them. Russell.
1:47:17
Speaker 3: I forget the exact name, but Russell does it.
1:47:19
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an.
1:47:22
Speaker 3: Off-road, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude.
1:47:27
I fucking love them, man.
1:47:29
Speaker 2: Why do you love the off-road ones? I don't know.
1:47:30
I don't know. Is there a dirt track where you
1:47:32
could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where?
1:47:37
Speaker 3: Especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit.
1:47:40
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:41
Speaker 3: But out here, there's places out here people have been
1:47:43
hitting me up about.
1:47:44
Speaker 2: Right, but when you go off-roading generally, you're going off-roading
1:47:48
with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit.
1:47:52
You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's
1:47:54
like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in
1:47:57
the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right?
1:47:59
Speaker 3: Russell Bilt Fab.
1:48:00
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at
1:48:03
the baseball game. That's a 993? Yeah. Oh, wow. So
1:48:07
they took a 993 and ooh, that's pretty. It's my
1:48:13
favorite thing in the world.
1:48:14
Speaker 3: Wow. I don't know why.
1:48:15
Speaker 2: Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy.
1:48:19
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:48:19
Speaker 3: Perfect.
1:48:20
Speaker 2: Daily driver, too. You know what? I have a fucking
1:48:22
problem with those extra front headlights. They stick on the hood.
1:48:26
I do not like them. I think it fucks up
1:48:29
the lines of the car. Agreed.
1:48:31
Speaker 3: Because you could put those on that front there. Ugh.
1:48:34
Speaker 2: Just take them off. What are you doing? Driving at
1:48:36
night in the dark? Shut the fuck up, bitch. You
1:48:38
ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not
1:48:41
in the woods. Oh, don't get twisted. At nighttime.
1:48:44
Speaker 3: Like all my trucks. I have that Ram 2500 AEV.
1:48:47
That thing's never seen the dirt.
1:48:48
Speaker 2: Right, but that's different. That's a truck that looks fine
1:48:51
with the extra lights on it and shit. A Porsche?
1:48:54
I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those
1:48:56
old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra
1:49:00
headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew, what are you doing?
1:49:03
You're ruining the lines of one of the most beautiful creations.
1:49:07
It's like a bad set of fake tits. You're like,
1:49:08
what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits.
1:49:10
It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah.
1:49:15
You get some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out
1:49:19
of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better.
1:49:23
And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose Porsches. Oh,
1:49:27
it's so beautiful. The best. And when you have dumbass
1:49:30
fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that. It's just
1:49:32
not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah,
1:49:34
I like different shit.
1:49:35
Speaker 3: I don't like... I agree. Those headlights do fuck up
1:49:38
the lines.
1:49:38
Speaker 2: But like.
1:49:39
Speaker 3: I'm just into different shit. I like when they swap
1:49:42
the LSs in the Porsches, too.
1:49:44
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:49:44
Speaker 2: That's dope.
1:49:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:49:45
Speaker 2: Just the sound. That chop.
1:49:48
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. It's shit like that, man.
1:49:51
Speaker 2: I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics.
1:49:54
That's like, oh, my God. You should go to jail
1:49:56
for that. You got a water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche.
1:50:00
Speaker 3: Bro, this guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving.
1:50:04
He's driving me around. And I go, man, you ever
1:50:06
driven one of those LS Porsches?
1:50:07
Speaker 2: And he was like. What the fuck did you just say?
1:50:09
And I'm like, you don't get down with those? He's like, fuck.
1:50:12
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, those are gay.
1:50:14
Speaker 2: So gay. No, they're awesome.
1:50:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like different shit, man.
1:50:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one
1:50:22
of those, what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the
1:50:26
Y bodies? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I
1:50:28
saw him. RWB? Yes. Yeah. He had one of those
1:50:32
with an LS in it. It was pretty sick. And
1:50:35
there's companies that do that.
1:50:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
1:50:37
Speaker 2: They're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an
1:50:40
American muscle car. But yet it's in a car that's
1:50:42
like 2,000 pounds.
1:50:44
Speaker 3: Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for
1:50:47
RS Swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals
1:50:49
because no one really wants them.
1:50:51
Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because everybody wants the air-cooled. Because
1:50:54
the air-cooled has that raspy brrr. They are the best.
1:50:58
It's a wild. Air-cooled is great. It's a wild sound.
1:51:00
That air-cooled sound is a wild sound.
1:51:02
Speaker 3: As I'm getting older, too, it's like, you know, I've
1:51:04
had trucks with 1,400 horsepower.
1:51:06
Speaker 2: I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower.
1:51:10
Speaker 3: And then if you just get an old-school Porsche air-cooled
1:51:14
with 250 horsepower manual. So fun.
1:51:17
Speaker 2: It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you
1:51:19
get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this
1:51:21
fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's
1:51:25
not about, you're not racing it.
1:51:27
Speaker 1: No.
1:51:28
Speaker 2: You're not on a track. Oh, dude.
1:51:29
Speaker 3: I knew I had issues when I was driving my
1:51:31
kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was
1:51:35
running hot. My TRX, the 1400 horsepower, was running hot.
1:51:37
I converted to twin turbo, Hellcat engine. It's running on
1:51:43
E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the
1:51:45
middle of fucking dripping springs. I had to pull over
1:51:47
on the side of the road because the engine was smoking.
1:51:50
I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man?
1:51:53
Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm
1:51:54
taking it to the track. Who am I doing this for?
1:51:57
Speaker 2: Well, a Hennessey has 1,000, and you can drive it everywhere. Yeah,
1:52:01
that's probably the way to do it. Hennessey TRX or
1:52:03
a Hennessey Raptor.
1:52:05
Speaker 3: I almost bought one of those, and then I got
1:52:07
that AV Ram, and I linked up with Diesel R,
1:52:10
and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking
1:52:13
stealth bigger turbo on there, fast fuel system.
1:52:16
Speaker 2: Oh, bro. Let me get my pants off.
1:52:18
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:52:18
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're into that stuff.
1:52:20
Speaker 3: But I'm picking it up today. It's finally done, dude.
1:52:23
Speaker 2: Ooh, that sounds fun. Oh, dude, I can't fucking wait.
1:52:26
That sounds fun. Yeah. So the idea is you're just
1:52:31
driving around, going to different places, having people do different
1:52:34
things with cars. Yeah. Check out what people are doing,
1:52:38
different mods they're doing.
1:52:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like that old school car shows that
1:52:43
we grew up on. You'll throw up facts about Porsches
1:52:45
or about the car. It'll just pop up with that stuff.
1:52:48
And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on
1:52:50
there with his TRX.
1:52:51
Speaker 2: Oh, nice.
1:52:52
Speaker 3: He has like 120,000 miles on it.
1:52:54
Speaker 2: Does he really? Dude, that thing's so busted up, but
1:52:57
he just drives it every day.
1:52:58
Speaker 3: He off-roads it.
1:53:00
Speaker 2: He just.
1:53:01
Speaker 3: We go in his car. I'm like, dude, I said... No, Gordon,
1:53:03
I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell
1:53:05
everybody when I get in the car with him. I
1:53:07
know it's for TV. I don't need you to show off.
1:53:09
Nobody's trying to get hurt.
1:53:10
Speaker 2: He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking
1:53:12
ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of
1:53:14
these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun.
1:53:17
Speaker 3: But it's... Yeah, just shit we like, you know? And
1:53:20
then someone's like, you want to do a TV show
1:53:21
with them?
1:53:22
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man. It's interesting how much
1:53:24
that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars,
1:53:27
but I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure
1:53:30
they're out there, but I don't know any women that
1:53:31
are into cars the way we're into cars.
1:53:33
Speaker 3: No. No.
1:53:36
Speaker 2: Some of them, some of them like cars. They're into some,
1:53:39
but like for me, it's like, that is one of
1:53:41
the one things about having some money that is worth it.
1:53:46
Like I always tell people, Having a nice house is great.
1:53:49
It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a
1:53:51
nice house. But after a while, it just becomes your house. Yes.
1:53:54
And if you're in a humble house that has a
1:53:57
nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and
1:53:58
a nice bed to sleep on. You're set. You're kind
1:54:01
of set. Yeah. Like the difference in the way you
1:54:03
feel when you're home versus a nice house is not
1:54:07
much different. Agreed. The difference in driving a nice car
1:54:11
is like you are taking a ride to work. You
1:54:15
are at Disneyland.
1:54:16
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:54:16
Speaker 2: You would wait in line to get in that car.
1:54:19
And you're boom, boom. And you're fucking shifting your own
1:54:22
gears and boom, boom. Woo! It's fun. And the shit
1:54:27
you have, dude. It's excitement.
1:54:28
Speaker 3: I live through you because, you know, obviously we're in
1:54:30
different tax brackets. You know, I got to do my
1:54:32
thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. I picked up tires
1:54:35
the other day. He goes, holy shit, Brendan Shaw buys
1:54:37
tires off Facebook Marketplace?
1:54:39
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, dude.
1:54:40
Speaker 3: Who doesn't want a fucking deal, man? Put those in
1:54:41
the back for me, dude. But yeah, you got one
1:54:45
of those Porsche.
1:54:45
Speaker 2: I think it's your Gunther Porsche. Yes. And you took
1:54:48
a picture.
1:54:48
Speaker 3: You're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and
1:54:50
stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: I do. I stare at it sometimes. I sit in
1:54:54
the garage and look at it.
1:54:55
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a fucking piece of art, man. Yeah, all
1:54:58
carbon fiber. Dude, when I see that type of Porsche,
1:55:02
like the Gunther work, Or I'll see a certain car.
1:55:05
I'm just like, I can't even describe the, it's like, fuck, dude.
1:55:11
That is so sick. Yeah.
1:55:13
Speaker 2: Do you see the Gunther Works made a twin turbo
1:55:16
slant nose? I sent it to you. Peter Nam sent
1:55:20
it to me too. The owner of the company sent
1:55:22
it to me. Oh, you know him? Yeah. Well, I
1:55:24
bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that.
1:55:26
Not the slant nose. I didn't know if you were
1:55:27
dealing with customer service. No, I deal with Peter. He's awesome.
1:55:31
But that's it. That car is insane. They raced that
1:55:35
one against a GT3 RS and it buried it. Buried
1:55:40
the GT3 RS. Buried it. Yeah. They did some rolling
1:55:45
race from 30 miles an hour and literally it just
1:55:49
shot ahead like the other car was parked. 1,067 horsepower?
1:55:53
It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please
1:55:58
search what does the slant-nose Gunther Works weigh. Because their
1:56:03
carbon fiber.
1:56:04
Speaker 3: 100%.
1:56:06
Speaker 2: Their carbon fiber. 2,000 something. Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's
1:56:11
about 2,400 pounds. 2,700.
1:56:13
Speaker 1: 27.
1:56:13
Speaker 2: So it's close. But the engine's probably super heavy. I
1:56:19
don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot
1:56:20
of jazz in there. But what engine?
1:56:23
Speaker 3: Is it the? Um, I think it's a liter twin
1:56:27
turbo flat six.
1:56:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's air cooled, which is so nuts. A
1:56:33
thousand horsepower flat six air cooled engine is crazy.
1:56:40
Speaker 3: Brother and people, everyone, like you talked to anyone, like
1:56:42
I want a thousand horsepower. You think you want a
1:56:45
thousand horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX. It's not
1:56:48
like that. Like if you buy it or like at
1:56:50
my Demon 170.
1:56:51
Speaker 2: From the factory. From the factory, you're good.
1:56:54
Speaker 3: When you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know,
1:56:58
I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning. If you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy,
1:57:02
you think you want those problems. You do not.
1:57:05
Speaker 2: Right.
1:57:05
Speaker 3: It's a fucking nightmare.
1:57:07
Speaker 2: And then also.
1:57:08
Speaker 3: Every week.
1:57:09
Speaker 2: I was in the shop. Call them, buddy, doing something.
1:57:11
I'm like, this is exhausting. Well, this won't be like that.
1:57:14
Like the Gunther Works ones are reliable. I've never had
1:57:16
a problem with them.
1:57:17
Speaker 3: No, those are great.
1:57:17
Speaker 2: But the question is, does that have any traction control?
1:57:21
Hopefully not. Like, Jamie, could you please look up whether
1:57:27
or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control?
1:57:30
I don't know how they can do that now. I
1:57:33
know that there's like a computer thing that you could buy.
1:57:36
Is Gunther's in California? Yeah.
1:57:38
Speaker 3: Where are they at?
1:57:38
Speaker 2: I believe so.
1:57:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:57:39
Speaker 2: 99% sure they were in California.
1:57:41
Speaker 3: Dude, you should connect me with him because I'd love
1:57:43
to do an episode with him.
1:57:44
Speaker 2: A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage.
1:57:47
Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well,
1:57:53
that's good. It's nice that it has ABS, too. That's dope.
1:57:56
That's really dope. You're going to need it. You're going
1:57:59
to need it. But see if you can find the
1:58:01
race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose. Bro,
1:58:05
it is... Hilarious.
1:58:06
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
1:58:07
Speaker 2: And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine
1:58:11
how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's got to
1:58:12
be a million dollars. Yeah. Here's my problem with Porsche.
1:58:16
Speaker 3: Even 20 years ago, my very first car I bought
1:58:20
when I had money, I got it from a podcast.
1:58:21
This was 15 years ago. I bought just your base 911.
1:58:25
Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I
1:58:28
could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand.
1:58:31
Now Porsche has become– it's almost like what Ferrari was
1:58:35
10 years ago where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man.
1:58:40
It's pricing out their market. So now it's become– and
1:58:43
we've been on Porsche for how long? Like we've always
1:58:45
talked about Porsche.
1:58:46
Speaker 2: Forever.
1:58:46
Speaker 3: It's our shit.
1:58:47
Speaker 2: Watch this. Oh, my God.
1:58:48
Speaker 1: It's Top Gear.
1:58:50
Speaker 2: Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah. Top Gear is great. Great channel.
1:58:52
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:58:54
Speaker 2: So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess
1:58:56
they did a rolling start because they didn't want to
1:58:58
dump the clutch on this million-dollar car. Watch this when
1:59:02
they get to 30. Look at that interior, dude. Watch this.
1:59:06
Speaker 1: Go.
1:59:10
Speaker 2: Bro. It's not even fucking close. It's not even close.
1:59:16
It's not even close. That's insane. And the GT3 RS
1:59:21
is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was
1:59:25
not his car. Obviously, this is someone else's car that
1:59:28
they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car
1:59:32
and spent a million dollars on it. How much did
1:59:34
they cost?
1:59:34
Speaker 3: 1.2.
1:59:34
Speaker 1: 1.2 million dollars.
1:59:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is
1:59:41
because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man.
1:59:45
Speaker 2: Well, people flip them. A lot of people flip them
1:59:48
because they're really hard to get, too. A lot of
1:59:51
demand for them. Yeah, it's tough.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you
1:59:55
could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's
1:59:57
almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people.
1:59:59
Speaker 2: Well, you know what a lot of people are doing?
2:00:01
It's $ 400, 000 more.
2:00:02
Speaker 1: It's $ 1.
2:00:02
Speaker 2: 6 million.
2:00:02
Speaker 1: That car is? $ 1. 6 is crazy. Worth every penny.
2:00:08
Speaker 2: If you got that loot. If you got that loot.
2:00:10
Please buy it. One of the things that people are
2:00:12
doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T. Yes. You
2:00:16
know the T?
2:00:17
Speaker 1: Yep.
2:00:18
Speaker 2: And they're taking that and juicing it up to like
2:00:21
700 plus horsepower and putting some mods on it. Now
2:00:25
you're talking my language. Yeah, because you can do that
2:00:27
for way less than it would cost you to buy
2:00:29
a twin turbo.
2:00:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:00:31
Speaker 2: And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're
2:00:32
also getting rear wheel drive.
2:00:34
Speaker 1: Yep.
2:00:35
Speaker 2: And you can get them for pretty, I don't want
2:00:37
to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper.
2:00:40
Speaker 3: It's so tough, man, to get some of those. Like
2:00:42
the GT3 RSs, you got to be allocated. Or it's
2:00:45
like 150 over markup. It's tough these days in the
2:00:47
Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them. But again,
2:00:51
for my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making
2:00:54
good money. But it's going to be really tough to
2:00:57
get into Porsche, man.
2:00:59
Speaker 2: Porsche has become the marquee. When back in the day,
2:01:03
it wasn't that.
2:01:03
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
2:01:05
Speaker 2: No. It used to be much more affordable. It was
2:01:08
the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar. But
2:01:13
the market– and it's also things change, right? Because now
2:01:16
everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo.
2:01:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:01:18
Speaker 2: Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo.
2:01:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:01:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:01:22
Speaker 3: I think, too, one of the reasons I went away
2:01:25
from Exotic because, I mean, I even modded my GT2 RS.
2:01:29
Speaker 2: Like, I'm an idiot.
2:01:30
Speaker 3: But it loses value in them.
2:01:33
Speaker 2: When you mod them. When you mod them. It fucks
2:01:34
them up.
2:01:35
Speaker 3: And I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why
2:01:38
I went so heavy into American shit because, you know,
2:01:40
the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the
2:01:44
fuck out of. And there's a market there. You're not
2:01:46
losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. Like, when
2:01:49
I would mod a Ferrari, buddy. exhaust, whatever the fuck turbos.
2:01:53
If you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man.
2:01:56
Speaker 2: Nightmare. Well, it's all to me, it's all about enjoyment. Right.
2:02:02
And so like, what do you, what do you, what
2:02:04
are you getting out of it? If you're not like
2:02:06
racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and
2:02:09
fucking correcting. And you're not really doing that with most cars.
2:02:13
You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me,
2:02:15
I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have
2:02:20
one of those Shelby Super Snakes.
2:02:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:02:23
Speaker 2: It's a six-speed. Did you get the Super Snake R?
2:02:26
It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. Whee!
2:02:29
I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car.
2:02:34
Driving it is like driving an old-school muscle car, but
2:02:37
it's all modern and perfect, starts every time, interior's great.
2:02:41
Love that car. And it's just the fun of just
2:02:44
driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work.
2:02:48
Not speeding.
2:02:48
Speaker 3: Just.
2:02:50
Speaker 2: You feel like you're doing something fun. It's exciting.
2:02:53
Speaker 3: Do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X?
2:02:56
Speaker 2: No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on
2:02:59
another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most
2:03:02
capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I
2:03:05
took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Koda,
2:03:07
I was like, this thing is crazy. Crazy. It's so fast,
2:03:11
and it handles so well, and it gives you so
2:03:13
much confidence. But it's different when you're not shifting your
2:03:18
own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that.
2:03:22
The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not
2:03:26
using a manual, you're missing– you're going to have fun.
2:03:30
Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going
2:03:32
to have a lot of fun. It's a great car.
2:03:33
But shifting your own– they finally started making a gear,
2:03:39
a manual transmission for the C8.
2:03:42
Speaker 1: Really?
2:03:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual? I
2:03:46
don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I
2:03:48
don't know if there are in the future.
2:03:49
Speaker 3: You can swap it in.
2:03:50
Speaker 2: But you can buy one now. So see what the
2:03:52
company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission
2:03:55
company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw
2:04:00
that and were.
2:04:00
Speaker 1: Like, oh.
2:04:02
Speaker 3: Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car
2:04:04
guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck. It's great.
2:04:08
But it's kind of doing it for you. The drive's different.
2:04:11
Like it's so.
2:04:13
Speaker 2: It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Yes.
2:04:17
Does not offer a manual. Tremec. Okay. Tremec has developed
2:04:20
a six speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers
2:04:24
it not real for production. What does that mean? But
2:04:27
Tremec makes it. But they make it. Yeah. Are they
2:04:29
selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they
2:04:32
make it just for funsies? I have no idea. Because
2:04:34
Tremec made the transmission on my Supersnake. Tremec is great.
2:04:37
They make the best transmissions.
2:04:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:04:39
Speaker 2: Tremex new six-speed manual transactional opens the door for manual
2:04:42
swap vets and other creations.
2:04:44
Speaker 3: So you can do it.
2:04:45
Speaker 2: This is what I would do. What I would do
2:04:49
is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it.
2:04:55
Now we're cooking.
2:04:55
Speaker 3: Let's go.
2:04:56
Speaker 2: Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette.
2:04:59
I get that Z06 and that orange. There's no word
2:05:01
yet on price timeline or who's going to cook up
2:05:03
the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a
2:05:05
three-pedal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to
2:05:08
have to. And the ECU. Yeah.
2:05:10
Speaker 3: That's a big problem.
2:05:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:05:11
Speaker 3: Like, the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU.
2:05:15
People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all
2:05:17
the mods they do. But it's like, I got a
2:05:20
2024 Ram. And right away, I'm like, right, what mods
2:05:23
am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks.
2:05:26
I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R. And they're like,
2:05:29
you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up?
2:05:30
Speaker 2: Low miles, man. They're like, oh, you fucked up. I'm like, why?
2:05:33
Speaker 3: They're like, because 2024 and up? There's no way to
2:05:38
unlock that ECU. Like you have, we have to find
2:05:41
an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay,
2:05:45
those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. Cause everybody
2:05:49
wants that. You're looking at seven grand for unlocked ECU.
2:05:54
And that's just the ECU. That's not at any power.
2:05:56
That's just to get it. So you can add the power.
2:05:59
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they
2:06:01
were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well,
2:06:04
how about this new law that they just passed where
2:06:07
your car is going to monitor you and then they're
2:06:10
going to have a kill switch in your car? So
2:06:13
to keep people from drinking and driving or if maybe
2:06:16
they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, just
2:06:19
fucking shut your car down. I think that's even more
2:06:23
reason to buy old shit.
2:06:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:06:25
Speaker 2: A lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please,
2:06:27
into perplexity and ask them when this law is being
2:06:31
passed and what the law entails. Because I've been hearing
2:06:36
a lot of different versions of it. I want to
2:06:38
know the exact version of it. It's going to pass
2:06:39
in California first. Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey
2:06:44
voted against it. And I think Fetterman might have voted
2:06:47
against it, too. I'm not sure. real federal mandate tied
2:06:52
to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah,
2:06:57
but this is how it starts. The problem is if
2:06:59
it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a
2:07:02
kill switch, if that's part of it.
2:07:04
Speaker 1: I mean, it probably is going to be in here.
2:07:07
Speaker 2: Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill switch? Because
2:07:11
the system may be able to prevent the engine from
2:07:13
starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired.
2:07:17
So that's a kill switch. So that is great if
2:07:21
you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not
2:07:24
great if you are Nick Fuentes and you're in your
2:07:28
car and you're, you know.
2:07:30
Speaker 3: But that's the Trojan horse. Like they get you in
2:07:31
with that. It's for safety.
2:07:33
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
2:07:33
Speaker 1: May is a key word in there.
2:07:35
Speaker 2: May be able. Well, the thing about that is I
2:07:38
think they already have that with the Corvette. I think
2:07:42
with OnStar, if someone steals your car.
2:07:45
Speaker 3: Correct.
2:07:45
Speaker 2: They can shut it down. Right. That's the security. If
2:07:48
you have a Corvette and Brendan Chubb is running from
2:07:51
the law and you're trying to get to Canada. But
2:07:55
can't they do that with your Teslas? That's probably, I mean,
2:07:59
it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably
2:08:01
can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla's canceled
2:08:05
the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about
2:08:07
it before the show. Oh, they could all go away
2:08:09
and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy,
2:08:11
but I just don't care. Shut your mouth.
2:08:12
Speaker 3: Do your thing.
2:08:13
Speaker 2: I drive it all the time. I love it. With
2:08:14
all the cars you have. I love it. That's the
2:08:16
one thing I'm like. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look,
2:08:21
I drove my Raptor here. The Raptor's badass.
2:08:24
Speaker 1: A fanboy would say that it's just going to be
2:08:26
replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet.
2:08:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater,
2:08:33
four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds.
2:08:37
Speaker 3: But why would they get rid of it?
2:08:38
Speaker 1: I've never had four people in my car.
2:08:40
Speaker 2: You never what?
2:08:41
Speaker 1: I've never had four people in my car.
2:08:42
Speaker 2: Okay, so you haven't. So like the other day, I
2:08:46
had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven,
2:08:50
and the car they were driving got a flat, and
2:08:52
I was on my way home at the exact same time,
2:08:54
and I picked her up and her friends.
2:08:55
Speaker 3: That's dope.
2:08:56
Speaker 2: So I had three friends in the back seat, one
2:08:58
in the front. Yeah. I got everybody in my car,
2:09:01
no problem. I like having a four-door. I have a family.
2:09:05
I know you're a single guy. Like, for you, a
2:09:06
Roadster would be fine.
2:09:07
Speaker 1: That's just a, you know.
2:09:09
Speaker 2: Not for you.
2:09:10
Speaker 1: It's a small little car anyway. I think the X
2:09:12
is pretty dope, too. They also canceled the X.
2:09:15
Speaker 2: That's just dope. Tiffany Haddish had one, and she showed
2:09:18
me that it could dance in the parking lot. I
2:09:20
remember seeing that video. I was like, this is crazy.
2:09:22
Speaker 3: This is crazy.
2:09:23
Speaker 2: I only do four.
2:09:24
Speaker 3: I don't have anything two-door anymore because kiddos. I just
2:09:28
try to create the most badass dad whip I can
2:09:30
and it has to have four doors.
2:09:32
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always
2:09:35
have to have a sedan. I like a sedan.
2:09:37
Speaker 3: Your kids are older, though, too.
2:09:38
Speaker 2: If I didn't have a Tesla and I had a sedan,
2:09:40
what I would get is the Cadillac. The CT5V Blackwing.
2:09:44
Let's go. And you can get a manual. You can
2:09:46
get the new one. The F1 is only in manuals.
2:09:49
The highest horsepower, 685. I don't know why I couldn't
2:09:54
say that word. 685 horse. I know you do. We
2:09:58
both suffer from marble mouth.
2:10:00
Speaker 1: Brother.
2:10:00
Speaker 2: 685 horsepower and it's only manual. Just take my fucking money, dude.
2:10:06
I want an automatic if it's that. Manual sounds fun,
2:10:10
but if you're driving all the time, it can get
2:10:11
a little... Especially if you're living in LA. Yeah. Depending
2:10:15
on where you're living. Jamie, that could be you, bud.
2:10:17
We were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie.
2:10:19
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like,
2:10:22
I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day.
2:10:24
Speaker 2: It's an awesome 10 miles. Dude, the feeling in that
2:10:28
car with the torque and the sound of the engine.
2:10:31
Speaker 1: You can't go anywhere on it. 35 in traffic.
2:10:33
Speaker 2: Give me some fucking volume. Let's hear this driving. Yeah, well,
2:10:38
Jamie's not really a car guy.
2:10:41
Speaker 1: I drive it to the golf course, but like once
2:10:44
a week.
2:10:45
Speaker 2: How much better you play? Look at that fucking car.
2:10:48
We're all carbon around it. Let me hear it drive.
2:10:50
Let me hear it drive. Here it is. Drive it, bitch.
2:10:52
Let's go. Why would they do this to me? Why
2:11:00
would you have a video of this and not have...
2:11:04
You want to sell cars or not? Play it for me, please.
2:11:10
Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh,
2:11:14
there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard.
2:11:17
Speaker 3: And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it
2:11:19
to me for a day, bubba.
2:11:21
Speaker 2: That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine.
2:11:25
Speaker 3: You have to do a damn thing.
2:11:27
Speaker 2: I know. You can get it really loud, but the
2:11:30
thing is just that alone.
2:11:31
Speaker 3: There we go.
2:11:32
Speaker 2: Come on, dawg. Yeah. All right.
2:11:40
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not bad.
2:11:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:11:41
Speaker 1: He's in.
2:11:43
Speaker 2: Yes. Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby. I feel. Oh,
2:11:49
that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. That's what
2:11:51
you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack
2:11:54
those up above 1,000 all the time.
2:11:56
Speaker 1: Oh, and it's going to get robbed out here then.
2:11:58
Speaker 2: No, Bubba.
2:12:00
Speaker 1: No, come on.
2:12:01
Speaker 3: Where are you parking?
2:12:03
Speaker 2: Do you want to get it or buy crack?
2:12:04
Speaker 1: I don't drive anywhere.
2:12:05
Speaker 2: Where's he going?
2:12:05
Speaker 3: Come on.
2:12:06
Speaker 2: Where's he going? He's buying crack. You live in a
2:12:08
nice place. Are you buying crack?
2:12:10
Speaker 3: She got covered parking.
2:12:11
Speaker 2: You don't need it, but it's fine.
2:12:13
Speaker 1: I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've
2:12:15
got a dope car and people know you've got a
2:12:17
dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're
2:12:19
going to follow you in that dope car. Our friend,
2:12:22
he got followed.
2:12:23
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you two?
2:12:24
Speaker 2: Oh, Julian?
2:12:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, shit's going to happen.
2:12:26
Speaker 2: I don't need that.
2:12:27
Speaker 1: I'm just going to have a fucking dope Tesla.
2:12:28
Speaker 2: He was in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning.
2:12:30
Speaker 1: There's a million Teslas all over the place.
2:12:32
Speaker 2: And he's got a Ferrari. A Ferrari is different than
2:12:35
a Cadillac. Have you had any issues?
2:12:38
Speaker 3: Especially out here.
2:12:39
Speaker 2: You can catch an issue every now and then, but
2:12:41
the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. You can't just
2:12:45
roll up on someone and try to take their car.
2:12:46
You're risking your fucking life.
2:12:48
Speaker 1: It happened on 5th Street a block away from the
2:12:50
club not too long ago. Right in front of Eddie B's.
2:12:54
Speaker 2: People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact.
2:12:56
Speaker 1: Not where I live.
2:12:57
Speaker 2: Come on over to the Burbs, dude. So you think
2:12:58
if you have one of them Cybertruck So supposedly Cybertruck
2:13:06
is coming out with an SUV.
2:13:07
Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know.
2:13:08
Speaker 2: Allegedly. That'd be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't
2:13:11
tell me shit. He won't tell you? I got a
2:13:13
big fucking mouth.
2:13:14
Speaker 1: There's numbers online. People have showed things, but we don't
2:13:16
really know.
2:13:17
Speaker 2: What have they showed?
2:13:18
Speaker 1: Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between
2:13:21
an X and a Cybertruck.
2:13:23
Speaker 2: See, that would be a smart move for them to
2:13:25
make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move
2:13:29
because you already have the shape. Just instead of having
2:13:31
the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend
2:13:34
the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more. And you
2:13:37
could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make
2:13:39
it like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could.
2:13:43
Speaker 3: Or you could just say fuck all that noise and
2:13:45
get a Hellcat Durango because Stellantis does– Hellcat's back, baby.
2:13:50
Speaker 2: Those are pretty dope. Hellcat, Durango.
2:13:52
Speaker 3: The Godfather of the Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge.
2:13:55
Speaker 2: Yes. Thank God. Thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it.
2:13:59
They got silly with that electric thing. They had some
2:14:01
French guy running it. Is that what it was?
2:14:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he killed all- He hates America. Facts.
2:14:04
Speaker 2: That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America.
2:14:07
Speaker 3: Facts.
2:14:07
Speaker 2: I want Poiton to beat Serogon. It was like the
2:14:12
most iconic- American like V8 powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well,
2:14:19
that's a V10. Dodge Viper. You had, but just big engines, right?
2:14:24
You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course,
2:14:27
the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye. They crushed it. Crushed it.
2:14:32
Are they going to discontinue the Challenger?
2:14:34
Speaker 3: No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they
2:14:37
fucked up and came out with a Challenger.
2:14:39
Speaker 2: All electric, and a charger.
2:14:40
Speaker 3: Wasn't it a charger? And a Challenger, too. They did both, right?
2:14:44
Speaker 2: You can't change.
2:14:46
Speaker 3: They're coming out with a charger that's gas powered.
2:14:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, the charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it.
2:14:52
It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck.
2:14:57
Speaker 3: Here.
2:15:00
Speaker 2: Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that?
2:15:02
That's not bad.
2:15:03
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
2:15:04
Speaker 2: Here we go. It's a straight SUV. Look at that, Jamie.
2:15:06
Here you go.
2:15:07
Speaker 1: Those clubs fit in there easily.
2:15:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now we're talking. The Durango kept dodging flow. Look
2:15:11
at that fucking engine. That's what you need, Jamie. You
2:15:13
need a goddamn V8, like a fucking Hellcat. You're going
2:15:15
to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck yeah, dude.
2:15:17
Goddamn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget
2:15:21
the Cadillac. We're onto this now.
2:15:23
Speaker 3: We're onto this.
2:15:24
Speaker 2: We're onto this. That's what you need.
2:15:26
Speaker 1: I wasn't... This is also... People love these. This is
2:15:29
a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that.
2:15:31
Speaker 2: Trackhawks are great, dude.
2:15:33
Speaker 1: There's not that many of them yet, and people are
2:15:34
after them.
2:15:35
Speaker 2: How about you get a Hennessy and tell them to
2:15:37
leave the badges off? Hennessys are so fucking... Just have
2:15:40
Hennessy do it and leave the badges off.
2:15:42
Speaker 1: Bro, did you see?
2:15:42
Speaker 2: It just looks like a regular one, a sleeper.
2:15:44
Speaker 1: I'd just be worried the whole time.
2:15:46
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. What world are you living in?
2:15:48
Speaker 3: Dude, did you see Hennessy did a super duty? Hennessy
2:15:51
finally did a full super duty?
2:15:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. Fuck, I love it. Hennessy does dope shit, dude.
2:15:55
They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take
2:15:59
the Blackwing and fucking.
2:16:00
Speaker 3: See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see
2:16:03
how these four episodes go. They do good.
2:16:04
Speaker 2: Do you know John? Me and him had a conversation.
2:16:07
You should do a show with him. He's great. I
2:16:09
want to do a show with him. I want to
2:16:10
go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the
2:16:13
fucking road. He's great. I can connect you with him.
2:16:15
He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine.
2:16:16
Speaker 3: Me and him had a convo because when I was
2:16:18
building my Raptor to get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him.
2:16:21
Speaker 2: Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great.
2:16:24
Peter's very cool, too.
2:16:25
Speaker 1: Durango smokes his Trackhawk.
2:16:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat?
2:16:31
Speaker 1: He started a little fast and he smokes it. And
2:16:35
that's probably not a Hennessey one?
2:16:37
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat
2:16:40
in one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower.
2:16:43
It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible.
2:16:47
The red interior, it's fucking awesome. Bro, we're salespeople. We're
2:16:51
selling Dodge to James.
2:16:52
Speaker 1: That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.
2:16:54
Speaker 2: Okay. Whichever one it was.
2:16:56
Speaker 3: Either way, pick your place and just fucking get one.
2:16:58
Speaker 2: I would 100% drive one of those. 100%.
2:17:00
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, you would.
2:17:02
Speaker 2: I might get one, too, if you get one. Shit.
2:17:04
Make it three.
2:17:05
Speaker 1: Or do you charge it?
2:17:07
Speaker 2: Charge it? How dare you? You son of a bitch.
2:17:11
You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the
2:17:13
way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today.
2:17:15
I was on the phone with him when I came
2:17:16
to the studio. He told me that gas is $ 7. 90
2:17:19
a gallon in L.A.
2:17:23
Speaker 1: Right now.
2:17:23
Speaker 3: And that's down from what it was. I was out
2:17:25
there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up.
2:17:26
Speaker 2: To $ 8. 40 something. Here's what I don't understand. Are we
2:17:30
getting oil from Iran? No.
2:17:33
Speaker 1: Maybe three or four percent.
2:17:36
Speaker 2: So are they just fucking us in the ass?
2:17:39
Speaker 3: They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war,
2:17:41
we can increase the gas price. So we all just
2:17:43
go along with it.
2:17:44
Speaker 2: Is that real? Or is it global prices went up
2:17:47
because some of the gas can't get to where it
2:17:49
needs to go? And so they need to make that money.
2:17:53
So they just fuck you. Isn't it funny? They're like,
2:17:56
we're going to make money no matter what. The American
2:17:58
people are going to lose money. So we make the
2:18:01
same amount of money. Fuck you. You need oil.
2:18:04
Speaker 3: But my whole thing is even like when we go
2:18:06
to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it
2:18:08
for money. It's like how much fucking money do they need?
2:18:10
They're all rich anyway.
2:18:11
Speaker 2: American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oils become
2:18:15
more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions
2:18:17
in global oil supply plus normal seasons and cost factors
2:18:21
in refining. distribution and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in
2:18:24
the Iran war. But what if we got all our
2:18:28
oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we
2:18:31
did that, why would oil go up?
2:18:33
Speaker 3: Because American fuel prices are tied to global oil markets.
2:18:36
Speaker 1: We would just start selling it.
2:18:37
Speaker 2: That's stupid.
2:18:39
Speaker 1: The market.
2:18:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch
2:18:44
of crooks. We should have a national oil company. And
2:18:49
only sell in America. Keep it in-house. Keep it in-house.
2:18:52
So no matter what foul shit we do outside the world.
2:18:55
Speaker 1: Even though we're the biggest, companies can still sell wherever
2:18:57
they want.
2:18:58
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:18:59
Speaker 2: Even though the U.S. is the world's largest oil producer,
2:19:01
companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever
2:19:04
pays the highest price. And it fucks us. So high
2:19:06
world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President,
2:19:11
please fix that. Fucking tax them. I don't know if
2:19:14
he can do that. They'll kill him. They tried to
2:19:16
kill him three times already. You try to fuck with
2:19:18
that oil money, and all of a sudden President J.D.
2:19:21
is crying on TV. J.D.? I'm going to miss Donald.
2:19:24
He was a great mentor to me, and I didn't
2:19:28
always agree with everything he said. And I wish he
2:19:31
didn't post that picture of him as Jesus.
2:19:33
Speaker 3: Dude, what the fuck are you doing?
2:19:36
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what's crazy to me?
2:19:38
Speaker 3: There's been like three legit assassination attempts, and it's in
2:19:42
the news.
2:19:43
Speaker 2: Two, three days?
2:19:44
Speaker 3: And we're just like, yeah, it's crazy.
2:19:45
Speaker 2: And we move on. Well, there was another one that
2:19:47
barely made the news where a guy showed up and
2:19:49
tried to attack J.D. You remember that guy? I know. Yeah, see?
2:19:53
Speaker 3: I know.
2:19:54
Speaker 2: I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up. I
2:19:56
think it was at the White House. I think some
2:19:59
guy showed up at the White– you see this guy
2:20:01
who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So
2:20:05
this guy, he had a shootout with the cops three
2:20:10
years ago, went to jail for three years, got out,
2:20:13
and was walking down the street in Cambridge just unloading
2:20:16
his gun on passerbys. Oh, I saw that.
2:20:18
Speaker 3: Pop, pop, pop.
2:20:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy
2:20:23
had gotten in a shootout with the cops and only
2:20:25
did three years. That's insane, dude. A shootout with the cops.
2:20:29
I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did
2:20:32
three years. Bro, here's the other problem.
2:20:34
Speaker 3: As I saw, they took, again, whoever's doing these polls,
2:20:37
you got to be an idiot to get stopped on
2:20:39
the street and do the polls.
2:20:39
Speaker 2: Look at this guy.
2:20:40
Speaker 3: This is wild.
2:20:41
Speaker 2: He's just walking down the street shooting at cars. Bro,
2:20:44
by the way. I'm running that guy over. Oh, a
2:20:47
thousand percent. Especially for my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where
2:20:50
I know it's not going to mess up my car.
2:20:53
That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd
2:20:56
probably go to jail for life.
2:20:57
Speaker 3: A hundred percent. You're fucked.
2:20:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. For defending the public.
2:21:01
Speaker 3: But I saw a survey that said one in four
2:21:03
Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake.
2:21:07
Speaker 2: I wonder what percentage think the world's flat. One in four. Yeah.
2:21:13
The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was
2:21:16
staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I
2:21:20
don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks
2:21:23
that the president would let some guy nick his ear
2:21:26
with a bullet. Sodom. That is in the guy behind him,
2:21:30
the firefighter who lost his life. That guy got shot
2:21:32
by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then
2:21:34
there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face.
2:21:37
Anybody that thinks that that stage is out of their
2:21:40
fucking mind.
2:21:42
Speaker 3: Or the guy that the correspondent's dinner who rushed in.
2:21:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. They think that's fake. It's like, hold on.
2:21:46
Speaker 3: So you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly
2:21:49
kind of had his shit together, threw away his life?
2:21:53
Speaker 2: Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, the congressman.
2:21:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:21:57
Speaker 2: He thinks that guy was like some sort of an
2:21:59
MK Ultra type deal. And he says he thinks they
2:22:02
still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that.
2:22:04
Speaker 3: I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal– I'm
2:22:06
sure he has way better points than me. But if
2:22:09
they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go
2:22:11
through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber, you think
2:22:14
it stopped?
2:22:16
Speaker 2: Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly.
2:22:19
So you just think they're like, OK, the public knows.
2:22:21
We're going to shut this down. No, dude.
2:22:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:22:23
Speaker 2: They just– they expand. It gets better and better and better.
2:22:27
For sure they're still doing that. And that could have
2:22:29
been Thomas Crooks too, the guy who tried to shoot–
2:22:31
Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird as fuck.
2:22:35
That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed.
2:22:39
He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity.
2:22:43
He had no social media. Black rock ties. Have you
2:22:46
heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that, dude?
2:22:50
What about the Charlie Kirk guy?
2:22:52
Speaker 3: What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right.
2:22:54
Speaker 2: We haven't heard one interview with him. Is that not weird, dude?
2:22:56
It's super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that
2:23:02
at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's
2:23:05
life over the last two years were staged.
2:23:07
Speaker 3: Wow.
2:23:08
Speaker 2: For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either
2:23:12
that it was staged or that they were not sure.
2:23:14
54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure.
2:23:19
And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all
2:23:22
three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking
2:23:26
ruining people's brains.
2:23:27
Speaker 3: That's the fucking problem.
2:23:28
Speaker 2: Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads.
2:23:31
Speaker 3: I know.
2:23:32
Speaker 1: It's not good, dude.
2:23:33
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok. It's all like traditional
2:23:36
dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah.
2:23:40
It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m.
2:23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:23:43
Speaker 2: And like Americans, have fun. Yeah.
2:23:45
Speaker 3: Go rot your brains.
2:23:45
Speaker 2: They're doing such a great job.
2:23:47
Speaker 3: Crush it.
2:23:47
Speaker 2: And then they sold it, right? So they sold it
2:23:49
to that American company and they're just going to continue
2:23:53
doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount
2:23:55
of money, which is rotting people's brains out. Don't give
2:23:58
a fuck. Wouldn't it be dope if this American company
2:24:00
that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with
2:24:03
how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you.
2:24:07
And what we're going to do is promote Like exceptional
2:24:10
people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get
2:24:12
more users?
2:24:13
Speaker 3: Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys
2:24:15
can have TikTok. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing. Now,
2:24:21
not a fucking chance, dude.
2:24:23
Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't get more. It would go right over
2:24:26
to Instagram. Instagram's all assassinations. What if they did across
2:24:30
the board? You would have to have no one cross
2:24:34
that picket line and they all would because people are
2:24:36
addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now.
2:24:40
Like my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking
2:24:44
lots and there's so much of that.
2:24:46
Speaker 3: Man, mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights.
2:24:50
Speaker 2: On Instagram?
2:24:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:24:51
Speaker 2: So my problem is me and Segura every day send
2:24:55
each other the worst thing that we find online. I
2:24:57
don't want to start my day like that. I don't either.
2:25:00
Speaker 3: I don't either.
2:25:01
Speaker 2: I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the
2:25:03
only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time.
2:25:06
And then I'll check my. You've kind of gotten off
2:25:09
of it, right? Yeah. This is so much better. I
2:25:12
feel so much better. I go in occasionally and check
2:25:15
Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending.
2:25:17
But you're not like reading the comments and all that
2:25:20
shit or mentions? No, no, no. And I don't even
2:25:22
go into the news feed because I used to go
2:25:24
into the news feed. I find things about me all
2:25:26
the time. Like I don't want to hear what a
2:25:28
douchebag I am. That's a bummer. Like come on. I'm
2:25:30
not here for that.
2:25:31
Speaker 1: I know.
2:25:31
Speaker 2: It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at
2:25:35
me or even saying nice things about me. I don't
2:25:37
even want to read that. I think what's better is
2:25:40
I go to the trending stuff and find out what
2:25:43
the news is. So then I'll click on like what
2:25:46
the fuck is going on and I'll check that out.
2:25:48
Like that's how I found out about this guy with
2:25:49
the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better.
2:25:52
But I also more often than not now not going
2:25:56
there for my news and I've kind of curated my
2:25:58
Google news feed. Smart. To be much more interesting. Like
2:26:02
I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah.
2:26:06
So then I can decide whether or not I want
2:26:08
to actually open up X. That's cool. To read the story.
2:26:10
And did you stop drinking too? I did and then
2:26:12
I went back. I'm back. How back are you? Not
2:26:15
back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every
2:26:17
now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude,
2:26:20
I've been sober over two years now. That's nice. Almost three.
2:26:23
Feel good? Feel great. Never been in better shape. Yeah.
2:26:26
I feel fucking awesome. It's definitely better for you. But
2:26:29
I do like a glass of wine or two with
2:26:30
dinner and I do like a drink or two with
2:26:32
the boys when we're at the club every now and then.
2:26:34
But I just– I was doing it too much. Me too.
2:26:36
And then I recognized and so I stopped.
2:26:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, just– it wasn't benefiting me and then also I
2:26:42
have addictive personality.
2:26:43
Speaker 2: Like if I do something, I got to be all in.
2:26:45
Speaker 3: Like on cars, like literally one day I woke up
2:26:47
and I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half
2:26:50
of them are trucks and they're all the same.
2:26:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:26:54
Speaker 3: It's just like when I get into something, I get
2:26:56
so into it.
2:26:56
Speaker 2: But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself.
2:26:59
Speaker 3: Good.
2:27:00
Speaker 2: That's good. Getting better at that is very important to
2:27:04
managing your life.
2:27:04
Speaker 3: Growing up.
2:27:04
Speaker 2: It's really important. It's growing up. Well, it's also just
2:27:07
realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial
2:27:10
at all and then other ones that are really beneficial.
2:27:13
So just get addicted to doing things that are good
2:27:14
for you. Yeah. Facts. But that's the problem is that
2:27:20
a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're
2:27:23
just not good at it. And so they just get
2:27:26
caught up and, you know, it could be anything. Oh, yeah. Preach.
2:27:30
That's me. Yeah. But it's also that same thing is
2:27:34
what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which
2:27:37
is weird. Like if you show me a dude who
2:27:40
can't get addicted to anything, like there's not one thing
2:27:43
that is taking up too much of your time, I
2:27:44
probably can't hang out with you. And it's not good. Yeah,
2:27:47
not good.
2:27:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that same obsession is what got me to
2:27:50
the UFC or football.
2:27:51
Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Like being all in on something I think
2:27:55
is where– that's where obsession can lead. The scary one
2:28:00
for me, I think, not for me personally, but when
2:28:02
I see it is gambling. Super scary. Because I see
2:28:06
people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other
2:28:09
people that I know that are really rich that gamble
2:28:11
big numbers. And it freaks me out. Like big poker
2:28:15
games and crazy amounts of money they gamble on stuff.
2:28:18
And I was like, I don't like that.
2:28:21
Speaker 3: But you get your rocks off in other ways. I
2:28:23
think for those like super rich people, like that's kind of.
2:28:27
Like they can buy any car. They can buy any
2:28:29
house or go on any trip. In order to get
2:28:32
their rocks off, that's how they do it.
2:28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it has to be a big number for
2:28:36
them to feel it. Because the juice has to be
2:28:37
so high. If they bet $ 100 on something, they don't
2:28:40
even know. That doesn't mean– they might not even cash
2:28:42
that ticket. Like they don't feel it. You know how
2:28:44
you and I are similar with obsession. Do your kiddos
2:28:48
have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah.
2:28:50
Speaker 3: In a positive way?
2:28:50
Speaker 2: Super driven. But it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere
2:28:54
that they grow up in. And if your parents have
2:28:56
a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind,
2:28:59
generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah. I
2:29:02
think that. So when I see shitty kids, I generally,
2:29:06
genuinely think that it's– at least part of it is
2:29:09
from the parents.
2:29:09
Speaker 3: Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The
2:29:14
crazy parents I deal with, buddy. Dude. And I try
2:29:20
to talk to the dads because most of them respect me.
2:29:22
Speaker 2: So I'll go.
2:29:23
Speaker 3: Can I give you some advice, man?
2:29:24
Speaker 2: You got to back off, dude. But they can't. They can't.
2:29:28
Speaker 3: You'd have to change who they are. And I tell them,
2:29:31
I'm like, I'm trying to help you out here. You
2:29:36
love baseball, whatever.
2:29:37
Speaker 2: You love football.
2:29:38
Speaker 3: Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now,
2:29:41
the reason he wants to quit is because you've made
2:29:43
it not fun. He used to love this game. When
2:29:46
I first got here, nothing he loved more than football.
2:29:49
Now he wants to quit because you've made it a
2:29:51
job for him. You fucked up, dude. And who's it
2:29:54
going to affect? A, it's going to suck for him
2:29:55
because he likes football. You're not going to be able
2:29:57
to watch your kid play football, dude. Because you decide
2:30:00
to make it not fun.
2:30:01
Speaker 2: You're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid.
2:30:03
Speaker 3: Facts.
2:30:05
Speaker 2: I don't force my kids into doing it other than
2:30:07
they have to go to school. I don't force my
2:30:08
kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If
2:30:10
they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it.
2:30:13
But find something you are interested in. That's my thing.
2:30:16
Speaker 3: Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck
2:30:17
what it is. It just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool,
2:30:20
let's ride, man.
2:30:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have a great personality for that and
2:30:23
that you're very encouraging your kids. But you're not– it's
2:30:27
not you thinking like your self-worth is not tied up
2:30:32
to your kids' performance. You just want your kids to
2:30:35
have fun. Yep. The problem is with some people, their
2:30:39
kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know
2:30:42
what I mean? Like it's like their whole personality gets
2:30:46
wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete.
2:30:48
Speaker 3: Brother, and now it's worse because– especially in baseball, right?
2:30:51
It's like it's a business now. It's over a billion-dollar business.
2:30:54
So now it's like there's these– Travel ball, when I
2:30:57
was a kid, you had to be really fucking good. Well,
2:30:59
now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball.
2:31:02
So there's the majors and there's two teams at the majors.
2:31:05
There's three triple-A, three double-A, three single-A. I just want
2:31:09
my– I don't need the best 10-year-old. I just want
2:31:11
him playing. So I don't give a– he made the
2:31:12
majors team. I don't give a fuck. It's majors, triple-A, rec.
2:31:16
We're playing wherever.
2:31:17
Speaker 2: Have fun. Have fun. And apply yourself to something.
2:31:21
Speaker 3: And apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck what
2:31:25
level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of
2:31:27
the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, they'll be like, oh.
2:31:29
Speaker 2: You played double A?
2:31:30
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can
2:31:34
only play majors so, what, I can sit around with
2:31:37
a water cooler and brag to you guys?
2:31:39
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. Isn't it crazy that people will, like,
2:31:41
talk down about a kid who's not playing as good
2:31:43
as other kids?
2:31:44
Speaker 3: Oh, it's wild.
2:31:44
Speaker 2: It's like, what are you– But, you know, that's the,
2:31:48
it's like stage moms, you know, there's a thing like
2:31:51
that with actors.
2:31:52
Speaker 3: To your point, he's tied up in what they, what
2:31:54
they don't realize that they're fucking it all up.
2:31:56
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's all going to get fucked up. I've
2:31:58
seen that with a lot of young actors where their
2:32:02
parents were like super involved in their career and then
2:32:04
the kid just did not want to do it anymore.
2:32:06
And generally, like I've seen it a few times and
2:32:09
one of them that I know really well where the
2:32:11
parents stole money from the kid. Fuck dude. Yeah, he
2:32:14
stole like $ 6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who
2:32:16
it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful.
2:32:18
It's awful. It's like devastated him to find out. But
2:32:21
it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid
2:32:24
as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely
2:32:27
on the kid. The kid's acting. Think about the pressure
2:32:29
on the kid.
2:32:30
Speaker 3: Oh, I got to afford all this so we can
2:32:32
fucking live? I know.
2:32:33
Speaker 2: And I'm nine? Not only that, but then, you know,
2:32:35
the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my fucking money.
2:32:40
You don't tell me I can't have cereal. Go fuck yourself.
2:32:44
He's the boss?
2:32:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:32:45
Speaker 2: I mean, he had problems with it too. They all
2:32:48
have problems with it. And then on top of that,
2:32:49
it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous
2:32:52
when they're 10. Horrible. Also for pretending.
2:32:56
Speaker 1: Horrible.
2:32:56
Speaker 2: Famous for pretending. That's what, how's that going to affect
2:32:59
your personality?
2:33:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:33:02
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that
2:33:04
just don't understand you're developing a human being. And one
2:33:09
of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well.
2:33:11
Speaker 3: Correct.
2:33:11
Speaker 2: They're fucking nuts. Or the biggest problem is usually the
2:33:14
parents who never played.
2:33:16
Speaker 3: Right.
2:33:17
Speaker 2: And they're like, man, you'll see just.
2:33:19
Speaker 3: A glimpse that their son has some talent and then
2:33:22
they're the worst.
2:33:23
Speaker 2: Did your kid into cars? You big time. Oh, that's nice.
2:33:26
Big time. You got to teach them how to drive
2:33:28
so they don't do something stupid when they get old.
2:33:30
That's what I tell them all the time. Yeah. All
2:33:31
the fucking time. Yeah, don't do anything dumb. Oh, no,
2:33:33
they're going to learn how to drive a manual. It's
2:33:34
the easiest way to do your car.
2:33:36
Speaker 3: Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen?
2:33:38
Speaker 2: Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't know how
2:33:40
to drive a manual. He doesn't even know how to
2:33:41
drive one. Do you know how to drive one?
2:33:42
Speaker 3: Sure.
2:33:42
Speaker 2: Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at him.
2:33:44
Speaker 1: I haven't done it in a long time.
2:33:45
Speaker 2: You could figure it out doing a blackboard. I definitely
2:33:47
could do it right now. Yeah, especially if you're only
2:33:49
driving 10 miles a day.
2:33:51
Speaker 3: Oh, you're a perfect candidate.
2:33:52
Speaker 1: I just don't want to.
2:33:54
Speaker 2: That's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit.
2:33:58
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many other cars in the world.
2:34:02
It doesn't have to be that one.
2:34:03
Speaker 2: What do you like?
2:34:04
Speaker 1: I'm not driving anywhere.
2:34:07
Speaker 2: We know you like track cars. Okay, okay, okay. But
2:34:09
let's just put all that aside. What cars do you
2:34:12
look at? Ooh, I like that. Or do you look
2:34:14
at a car that you like and go, that's a target?
2:34:16
Speaker 1: No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly
2:34:19
being like... Like an X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG, GLE.
2:34:25
Speaker 2: Okay. Now we're talking. Like that. I don't know.
2:34:29
Speaker 1: Somewhere in there.
2:34:29
Speaker 2: Those are dope looking.
2:34:30
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
2:34:31
Speaker 2: Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be
2:34:36
dick slapped into the hospital. Like, he should. Like, what
2:34:45
the fuck did you do to one of the most
2:34:48
iconic grills in the, like, the M4s? Like, blech. Yeah.
2:34:53
What did you do?
2:34:55
Speaker 3: They're just trying to switch it up, you know, and
2:34:58
they miss.
2:34:58
Speaker 2: Oh, but who let that go through? Bring that up, Jamie.
2:35:01
Who greened with that? The only one that looks good
2:35:04
or looks decent is the 7 Series. There's something about
2:35:07
the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill.
2:35:09
It doesn't bother me. That M2 is fucking tasty, too, though. Okay,
2:35:12
that's dope.
2:35:13
Speaker 3: Those things can cook.
2:35:13
Speaker 2: But they didn't get it goofy with the grill. You're
2:35:16
talking about that one, right?
2:35:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:35:17
Speaker 2: Come the fuck on with that.
2:35:18
Speaker 1: They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but
2:35:20
it's still got a big gap like that.
2:35:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the
2:35:25
grossest ones. But look at that right there. The lower.
2:35:29
I'm sorry. That one's good, but the left one, the
2:35:32
white one. The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that.
2:35:35
That's perfect. That's perfect.
2:35:37
Speaker 1: That's pretty. That's perfect.
2:35:38
Speaker 3: Do you still have the M5?
2:35:41
Speaker 2: No, but I do have the E46 M3. Oh, yeah.
2:35:44
Those are cool. The 2005. Those are fucking awesome. That
2:35:47
one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's
2:35:50
a great car. Like that one. That one's gross. That grille,
2:35:54
the lower right one, the bronze colored one. Blech.
2:35:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual, and that
2:36:00
thing fucking cooks.
2:36:01
Speaker 2: Oh, M2s are amazing. That's cool. Those are amazing. BMW,
2:36:04
to their credit, is still making manual transmissions.
2:36:07
Speaker 1: Awful. It's a little better.
2:36:08
Speaker 2: Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right?
2:36:12
I don't think so. I think the M5 is only...
2:36:16
Does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now.
2:36:19
That's their issue.
2:36:21
Speaker 1: Manual's not the first thing coming up.
2:36:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they make it a manual transmission anymore.
2:36:28
See if it says manual transmission....
2:36:32
Speaker 1: That one's automatic.
2:36:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think they make the M4 manual.
2:36:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:36:38
Speaker 2: Oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an
2:36:41
old one. Those are dope. The V10s are cool. V10s
2:36:44
sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast.
2:36:51
Speaker 3: There it is.
2:36:52
Speaker 2: That's old.
2:36:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:36:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are the last ones they made in
2:36:55
the manual. But my E46 is small. That's what you want.
2:37:00
It doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's
2:37:02
got hydraulic steering, manual transmission, and it's a Dynon, so
2:37:08
it has a supercharger on it. So it's a little faster.
2:37:11
So it's like 400-something horsepower. Monster. Dude, it's just fun.
2:37:16
You feel it while you're driving it. And they look
2:37:19
fucking awesome.
2:37:19
Speaker 1: I said something weird and I was trying to track that.
2:37:21
I said that they got two of them that were...
2:37:23
Unless there's only two vehicles here.
2:37:25
Speaker 2: What does it say?
2:37:26
Speaker 1: It might be just not an American thing.
2:37:27
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? No, those are old.
2:37:29
Speaker 1: No, I know... I'll tell you what I saw.
2:37:31
Speaker 2: Oh, that they, so put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.
2:37:37
Speaker 1: I just saw that. We got two versions of the
2:37:39
BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the
2:37:41
world missed out on. That's what I saw and was
2:37:43
clicking on.
2:37:44
Speaker 2: When does that, though, if you click on it?
2:37:47
Speaker 1: 2025.
2:37:47
Speaker 2: Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I
2:37:50
think they're doing a history. BMW still has them. Because
2:37:53
it says two versions. They're talking about older cars. BMW
2:37:56
still has great interiors, too.
2:37:58
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
2:37:58
Speaker 2: Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. BMW does it right.
2:38:02
They're really good. It's a solid car. And the new M5,
2:38:05
even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer
2:38:08
of a car. They're monsters. Yeah, but they have to
2:38:09
make them hybrids now. I know. Because of all the
2:38:13
fucking environmental shit.
2:38:15
Speaker 3: Did you see Trump got rid of the engine start?
2:38:19
Speaker 2: You know how when you stop, he got rid of that.
2:38:21
That's good. I don't like that. It drives me nuts.
2:38:24
And I don't like that in some cars I have
2:38:26
to press the don't do that at every red light.
2:38:28
Don't do that. I fucking hate it. Don't do that.
2:38:30
Speaker 3: I hate it.
2:38:31
Speaker 2: It drives me fucking nuts. It's stupid. You're not saving anything.
2:38:34
All you're doing is cooking my starter. Yeah. Because the
2:38:37
starter's got to start 50 times more. How crazy that
2:38:38
Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.
2:38:40
Speaker 1: It's so annoying. I've been parking next to one of these.
2:38:41
Speaker 2: It's dangerous. Is that a Maserati?
2:38:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sick.
2:38:45
Speaker 2: Ooh, boy. Those are cool. In person, they're really nice.
2:38:48
Speaker 1: Those are dope.
2:38:49
Speaker 2: That's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jamie?
2:38:51
Speaker 1: Well.
2:38:54
Speaker 2: What's up? I don't know. He's worried about the attention.
2:38:57
Speaker 1: I just had a tire problem. I didn't go that far.
2:38:59
The Model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles.
2:39:04
Speaker 3: I know.
2:39:05
Speaker 2: That was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird.
2:39:08
That didn't make any sense because he said he had
2:39:10
a flat tire, and then he got a look at it,
2:39:12
and it was like there's. The wires around, he'd worn
2:39:15
down the tread at 10,000 miles.
2:39:18
Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem with electric cars, because they're so heavy,
2:39:20
so you're going through tires faster.
2:39:22
Speaker 2: But I didn't think it would be that fast. 10,000
2:39:24
miles is crazy. Jerry might be driving like a maniac.
2:39:27
Fucking nutty.
2:39:28
Speaker 1: I bet he is.
2:39:28
Speaker 2: I bet he's going sideways.
2:39:29
Speaker 3: The wire, dude?
2:39:30
Speaker 2: You know how ratchet, you got to be able to
2:39:32
wear down to the wire? I think it's the weight. Yeah,
2:39:34
it's the weight. Because we looked it up, and it
2:39:36
was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit
2:39:39
more lead foot. Heavy foot. A little more lead foot.
2:39:42
Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of
2:39:44
the lead. As he gets older, we'll start calling him
2:39:46
lead foot, Jamie.
2:39:47
Speaker 1: These are dope. Aston Martins are dope.
2:39:49
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, bud. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie.
2:39:52
You know some good shit.
2:39:54
Speaker 1: Here we go. I just don't like Blackwing Cadillac.
2:39:57
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, you don't like Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. Aston
2:40:00
Martins are fucking awesome. It's fine. Everybody has different tastes.
2:40:04
Speaker 1: That's fine.
2:40:04
Speaker 2: As long as you like that. You like something.
2:40:07
Speaker 3: Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get
2:40:09
you track hawks.
2:40:11
Speaker 2: We'll get you Aston Martins. He's got to get something.
2:40:14
We've got to get him something fun. Let us know
2:40:17
the budget, dude. We'll get something. He seems a little hesitant.
2:40:19
But he does seem open to it. Well, you drove
2:40:22
race cars before around the track.
2:40:24
Speaker 1: That's fun. I do that all the time.
2:40:26
Speaker 2: But you could buy a car that you can drive
2:40:27
your own. We're going to have a studio at the track.
2:40:30
Speaker 1: It's more fun to not drive your own race car.
2:40:32
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. You don't worry about fucking it up.
2:40:34
That's a good point. So your show's on 2B.
2:40:37
Speaker 3: Show's on 2B. Gearhead's Gone Wild. There's four episodes.
2:40:41
Speaker 2: And are you releasing new ones?
2:40:42
Speaker 3: You can binge watch all four of them right now.
2:40:44
And then if the four do well, they're going to
2:40:46
order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy,
2:40:49
Gun to Works. I got some big boys like that.
2:40:50
Speaker 2: And how long are each show?
2:40:53
Speaker 3: I think they're like 28 minutes each.
2:40:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:40:55
Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
2:40:56
Speaker 2: And it's Gearheads Gone Wild. Yes, they're on Tubi. On Tubi.
2:40:59
Speaker 1: Yep.
2:40:59
Speaker 2: So it might be the first time I ever go
2:41:01
to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi. Please do. I
2:41:04
only heard about it like a year ago. I just
2:41:06
found out about it. three months ago. I just can't
2:41:09
believe it has that many fucking people viewing it.
2:41:10
Speaker 3: When they're like, we got a buyer at Tubi, I'm like, okay,
2:41:14
let's fucking do it.
2:41:15
Speaker 2: They've been awesome. That's great. It's easy to watch. Well,
2:41:18
someone's going to be watching it if it's that many people.
2:41:20
But it sounds awesome, dude. I'm glad you're doing something
2:41:23
that you enjoy. I definitely will. It's our shit. All right, brother.
2:41:26
You'll love it, man. Thanks for doing this. I love you.
2:41:28
Speaker 3: Thank you.
2:41:29
Speaker 2: Thank you. All right. Goodbye, everybody. See you.