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Is Jesus the Only Way? | Episode 25 · The Spiritual Realest

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SPEAKER_04: This is the spiritual realist, and I'm Scarlett Drown.
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SPEAKER_04: This is a space for honest conversation about spirituality, individuality, and growth.
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SPEAKER_04: Welcome to opening your mind without pressure, performance, or pretending.
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SPEAKER_04: From views to heavenly minded, but earthly good.
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SPEAKER_00: From church fans to creed.
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SPEAKER_02: But the dirt still know the truth.
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SPEAKER_04: Let's begin.
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SPEAKER_05: I love Jesus for me.
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SPEAKER_05: You know, it's a for me.
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SPEAKER_05: Do I want everybody else to love him too?
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SPEAKER_05: Because of how I feel about it.
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SPEAKER_04: Of course you do.
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SPEAKER_04: But that's your passion, yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: But I don't want you to sit here because that's not for me.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: This is balance.
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SPEAKER_04: You get what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_04: You check me, I check you, we check each other.
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SPEAKER_04: This is balance to me.
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SPEAKER_05: I believe it's the beginning of a true sisterhood, in my opinion.
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SPEAKER_04: A hundred percent.
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SPEAKER_04: Who you are, and you loving me for who I period.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't have any when I tell you, not one ounce.
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SPEAKER_04: Like I honestly believe that in this life, I know I said that I have seasonal friends, but I honestly believe that God is like, and this is your soul drive.
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SPEAKER_04: You get what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_04: Which is different.
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SPEAKER_05: But I know, and I also know that Gaza really, like, even as much as he's detached, I know he really needed you because of his spiritually.
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SPEAKER_05: I got you.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: He needed someone, not me, to sound off of because I am so passionate, right?
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SPEAKER_05: And and for me, for him, it feels much different, right?
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SPEAKER_05: Like my connection and my desire for him to be saved, right?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: Is a much greater soul searching thing.
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SPEAKER_05: So anything that he might come with an innocent, just curious question, I'm like, mom, Marty.
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SPEAKER_04: And he said that today, believe it or not.
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SPEAKER_04: He said, like, I can't tell her or ask her because in her mind, she's so driven and so grounded in this thing.
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SPEAKER_04: He said, and so I love to like do this because you answer, you get me, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And I was like, yeah, it is.
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SPEAKER_04: And I get both sides of the coin, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Because I come from both sides of the coin.
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SPEAKER_04: So I don't, mm-mm.
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SPEAKER_04: Epha is a very respectful religion.
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SPEAKER_04: It operates in order and respect, period.
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SPEAKER_04: Point blank.
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SPEAKER_04: And if they aren't in order and respect, you you cannot be my godchild.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't care.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't need godchildren.
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SPEAKER_04: My spiritual gifts are beyond what I've tapped into.
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SPEAKER_04: I really do.
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SPEAKER_05: I do believe that as well.
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SPEAKER_05: Because regardless of everything, since we've come into agreement, I've not seen anything but forward, positive, forward, right?
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SPEAKER_05: And everything that you have given, the prayer protection, everything that you have given, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_05: I just I cannot deny.
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SPEAKER_05: And I also, and then I get offended, right?
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SPEAKER_05: So when I say I get offended.
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SPEAKER_05: When I see certain things and people say things like, oh, you're a witch, or something like that.
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SPEAKER_05: And I can't, I'm like, I can't accept that.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't agree with that particular term.
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SPEAKER_05: I know some people identify that, yeah, but I don't see that to be the truth.
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SPEAKER_04: The truth, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Because it's such a negative connotation.
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SPEAKER_04: But I wanted to say pastors are witches too, if that's the case.
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SPEAKER_05: Because that's the thing.
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SPEAKER_04: If you believe you touch somebody and they are healed, right?
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SPEAKER_04: What the hell is that?
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SPEAKER_05: Well, it's through the power of Jesus, so not Jesus.
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SPEAKER_04: Jesus can't give you power, remember.
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SPEAKER_04: That's a bit, but that's a good thing.
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SPEAKER_04: That's exactly what they would say to you.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and I don't agree with that.
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SPEAKER_04: I believe that whatever makes your faith whole is what is true, right?
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SPEAKER_05: Because without faith, it's impossible to believe God.
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SPEAKER_05: And anyway, yeah, whatever.
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SPEAKER_05: So for me, I believe that I do whether I don't know if his so if someone is gonna argue with me about if the name was Jesus or not, do I believe that the Messiah has already come and the story as it has been presented is that the name that I know based off of me being born in this country, yeah, and all this stuff, his name is Jesus.
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SPEAKER_04: Correct.
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SPEAKER_05: So I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's what I believe to be true.
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SPEAKER_05: I believe that he died, but he is alive again, and anybody else who died before him is not alive in the sense that he was full power.
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SPEAKER_05: I gotcha.
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SPEAKER_05: And listen to himself.
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SPEAKER_04: So that is so do you believe Jesus came in his natural form, or you believe he came in the spirit form?
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SPEAKER_05: The first time, like how he was when he was raised from the dead.
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SPEAKER_05: When he was raised from the dead, I believe it's his spirit form.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_05: So you believe that they saw his spirit, but like Mary Magdalene, then they saw the spirit, but they could still touch him as flesh, whatever, because he conquered the grave.
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SPEAKER_04: So you believe that he came in tangible spirit form.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I could actually touch him.
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SPEAKER_04: So angels can come in human form.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, I agree.
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SPEAKER_05: I do.
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SPEAKER_05: I do, but the Bible even says that angels came down here, they call Nephilim or something like that.
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SPEAKER_05: They came down here and started having sex with people.
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SPEAKER_05: So I'm just saying, there's all kinds of stuff that I will never fully understand.
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SPEAKER_05: We'll never fully understand because we don't have all of the text, regardless.
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SPEAKER_04: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: I can go to the depths of Africa or to the tombs in.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm never gonna get the complete truth based on because of humans, right?
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SPEAKER_05: And so I have to have this element of faith.
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SPEAKER_05: We all have to have an element of faith, even in what whatever religion you believe in, whatever you believe in, even with that wild ass man being on the different planets, whatever the case may be, you have to know.
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SPEAKER_04: Tell me what planet got air so I can know.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
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SPEAKER_04: Management.
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SPEAKER_04: I need to know which one of those planets had air so that we can breathe.
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SPEAKER_04: You know, other than that, we're good.
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SPEAKER_05: I just all I know is, and then also I have to check myself on the part of me saying that I love God so much, and how much of it is the fear of being wrong, of me being like, oh, maybe there is another way, but I'd rather choose this way because this is the only way you know.
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SPEAKER_05: The only way I know, and this is the one that's saying that it has to be the one anything else almost gives you freedom, right?
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SPEAKER_05: To you can kind of do anything and still make it as long as you're a good person.
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SPEAKER_04: But this- So do you believe there is an actual heaven tangible and a hell tangible?
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SPEAKER_04: Do you believe that if you are perfect your whole life and the day you get in a car accident is the day you fornicated that you're gonna go to hell?
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SPEAKER_05: I do believe that if I stand right before I die, I would go to Jesus.
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SPEAKER_05: I do believe that, and I think that's part of like why.
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SPEAKER_04: That's rough.
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SPEAKER_04: I have lived that's a rough life to live.
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SPEAKER_04: It is, it is that's a rough life to live.
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SPEAKER_05: I told this man I was coming downstairs, and I knew Dr.
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SPEAKER_05: Well, I was taking off my clothes and getting to bed.
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SPEAKER_04: And then, if I don't kill me in my sleep because I lied.
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SPEAKER_05: I lied.
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SPEAKER_05: I lied, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_05: I just don't want to be bothered with him no more right now.
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SPEAKER_04: So when you pray in the name of Jesus, are you praying in the name of Jesus so he can intercede on your behalf?
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SPEAKER_04: Or are you praying in the name of Jesus because you believe that's the only way God can hear you?
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SPEAKER_05: I believe that.
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SPEAKER_05: So I think it is slightly, I don't believe that Jesus is the only way that God can hear me, but I do believe that because Jesus came, that when we pray in the name of Jesus, it's almost like the blood covers me, right?
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SPEAKER_05: So Jesus shed his blood for my sins, and so I'm wicked down here.
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SPEAKER_05: And if I pray in Jesus' name, when God He doesn't make it pure, it makes your prayer pure.
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SPEAKER_05: He doesn't see my sins, he sees his son covering me.
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SPEAKER_05: So my request is able to pass through without any like, Lord, you've been down there.
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SPEAKER_04: But if he died for your sins and that made you be able to talk to God directly, why do you need to still use in the name of Jesus?
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SPEAKER_04: Because he just so I could be clear so we can understand the same balance.
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SPEAKER_05: And I'm gonna say, I'm trying to articulate the best.
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SPEAKER_05: And this is also the other thing.
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SPEAKER_05: Just this morning, I was saying, Oh my god, dealing with is definitely gonna get me back in the word the way I'm supposed to be.
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SPEAKER_04: Because I come with I will pull a scripture quick, won't I?
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SPEAKER_05: Yes, she does, she know it.
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SPEAKER_05: I'm just so used to being able to whip them the same, and I know I've drifted away for so many reasons.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, so many reasons, none of them me being angry at God, all of them me just really feeling like I wanted to not think about what I was doing in the moments, I gotcha.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, right.
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SPEAKER_05: So, because I've read the Bible multiple times.
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SPEAKER_05: Like I said, you know, my dad's a preacher, we've had Bible study, the mom.
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SPEAKER_03: Y'all still do, yes.
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SPEAKER_05: I still do, right?
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SPEAKER_05: Every Wednesday.
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SPEAKER_03: I learned that today.
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SPEAKER_05: But the whole entire idea is that somewhere, some way, like if you pray in Jesus' name, it is the intercession.
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SPEAKER_05: You're activating the intercession.
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SPEAKER_04: So when you pray in I'm repeating it because I want to make sure I understand.
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SPEAKER_04: When you pray in Jesus' name, it activates the prayer so that it can get connected to God.
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SPEAKER_04: So it's almost like He's on mute until you say in Jesus' name.
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SPEAKER_05: Something like that.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, something like that.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we're gonna sit with that until I go back and pray and consult the Heavenly Father and come back with fullness, with fullness of understanding.
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SPEAKER_03: Yes, ma'am.
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SPEAKER_03: Right, because in all we get, we get understanding.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_05: Because I'm not, I do not want to misconstrue or breed confusion out of what I know from a faith perspective, but I definitely want to come back from a fact perspective too, right?
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SPEAKER_05: If I'm saying this, I don't want to say just because I believe it to be true, I want to be able to say it.
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SPEAKER_04: But that also could be true.
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SPEAKER_05: That is vital.
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SPEAKER_04: That is also the biggest, this is what I would like people to take away from all of this, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Whatever it takes for your faith to be made whole, then that is what you do.
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SPEAKER_04: Just because left don't believe what right means and right don't believe what left means doesn't mean both don't mean the same.
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SPEAKER_04: Both just may get there different.
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SPEAKER_04: You could take the path to millionaire the easy way because your family passed it down and you just was able to elaborate on that and make it better, or you could take it from the ground up and you got it at the muck and you became a millionaire.
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SPEAKER_04: Both were still millionaires, both still exist, both still work, both still did the same thing.
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SPEAKER_04: However, they just got there different.
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SPEAKER_04: And the point for me is get to God, period.
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SPEAKER_04: And because of your upbringing and my upbringing, we were taught that God, you can only get to God by this, right?
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SPEAKER_04: But my understanding and my knowledge gained by getting to God differently and seeing God move in my life in a way that they told me if I don't believe this, God is not gonna do that thing.
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SPEAKER_05: So that's so now that part I've never been taught.
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SPEAKER_05: I've never been taught that if I didn't follow Jesus, I would not be blessed.
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SPEAKER_05: I've never been taught that because the Bible says that the Lord reigns on the just as well as the unjust.
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SPEAKER_05: So I don't have to be in Jesus to get good things.
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SPEAKER_05: Period.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, now that yes, that is correct.
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SPEAKER_04: You do not gifts come without repentance.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: A singer can sing, whether they're rapists or not, they still can sing.
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SPEAKER_05: That has nothing to do now how we treat them in this earth and all this.
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SPEAKER_05: It's different, yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: It's a total different perspective.
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SPEAKER_05: So I personally am not gonna sit here and be like, oh, God's not gonna bless you because of such and such, because he says himself, I'm a just God.
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SPEAKER_05: I reign on the people who rock with me and the people who are not rocking with me.
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SPEAKER_05: The fact that we're waking up every single day with air, with a home, with shelter, our right minds, all this, everybody's getting blessed in their own capacity.
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SPEAKER_04: With that being said, why then don't you believe that a sinner can go to heaven?
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SPEAKER_05: Because God reigning and sending blessings to earth is not the same thing as us being saved and being in his bosom for eternity.
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SPEAKER_05: Then one-on-one.
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SPEAKER_04: What's the difference?
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SPEAKER_05: The difference is I'm bound by, you know, I hate to say this, like it's kind of weird for the Lord to create this body for us to be in, and then now I sit here and I talk about it as terrible as I do because I feel like everything that is wrong with me has everything to do with the fact that I am flesh and blood, and everything that's right with me, and I could be pure if I was not trapped in this body.
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SPEAKER_05: I believe that the body is what makes me bad.
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SPEAKER_04: So you believe, and please forgive me.
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SPEAKER_04: No, no, but you believe that God created us in sin and then told us not to sin.
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SPEAKER_05: No, I don't think he created us in sin.
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SPEAKER_05: I mean, I believe that he created us in his image, and then Adam and Eve decided to f up life for everybody else, and because of that, we have been cursed.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't believe it.
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SPEAKER_04: But then Jesus died.
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SPEAKER_04: I don't believe we were cursed.
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SPEAKER_04: So why not everybody after Jesus?
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SPEAKER_04: So Jesus came and rectified that, right?
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SPEAKER_04: And his sacrifice was to make us where we could live in this flesh.
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SPEAKER_05: It could come back to God, but we still need to make the appropriate decisions.
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SPEAKER_05: But we still got free will.
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SPEAKER_04: But isn't more, isn't your moral compass and having a good moral confidence the right decision?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm gonna live this life as honest as possible.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna live this life and not go through by scheming people.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna live this life and not murder.
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SPEAKER_04: What about the people that's genuinely good, but they just don't believe in Jesus, but they are genuinely morally good.
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SPEAKER_05: Everything good ain't God.
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SPEAKER_04: What is that in scripture?
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SPEAKER_05: I didn't say it was.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Girl, you done forgive my phone because I ain't getting, I missed that scripture.
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SPEAKER_04: I gotcha.
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SPEAKER_05: Everything that's good is in God's sake.
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SPEAKER_05: But if they're made in his image, all money is not good, money.
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SPEAKER_04: All money ain't good.
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SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, so there's so everything that appears to be good or everything that can be a tool is not always good.
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SPEAKER_05: Like when I'm in the kitchen and I'm gonna try to debone a chicken, I'm not gonna go and get my kids paper scissors to try to debone the chicken.
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SPEAKER_04: To try to debone the chicken.
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SPEAKER_05: Those are good scissors for paper.
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SPEAKER_05: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: So it's kind of like if you keep on moving and elevating that concept continuously up, you know, in forms of righteousness, it all doesn't so you believe that as long as they because we're not talking about people that don't have access and don't know Jesus, because he said, right?
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SPEAKER_04: If you don't know, how can I judge you for the things you do not know?
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SPEAKER_04: Right?
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SPEAKER_04: So you're talking about only the people that have direct access to know that Jesus exists and you still choose to not follow Jesus, to accept Jesus as your savior, in order for you to be born again, those people will not go to heaven regardless of their good morality.
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SPEAKER_05: I do believe that.
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SPEAKER_05: Okay, I do believe that.
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SPEAKER_05: And I'm afraid of being one of those people that thinks that I'm serving Jesus appropriately and I'm not.
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SPEAKER_04: And when I get it, what is appropriately?
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SPEAKER_05: Like really, because he says everyone that says Lord, Lord, isn't gonna make it in, so I could be down here, you know, tripping.
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SPEAKER_05: Am I faithful to my husband?
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SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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SPEAKER_05: Am I as honest to you say as possible?
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SPEAKER_05: I don't know, because I'll be lying to my daughter even.
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SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_05: So, you know, when when I feel best in the corner, well, if somebody pushes me in a corner and I feel like my safety or what I'm trying to do.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna say what I need to say.
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SPEAKER_04: Man, I'll say that's the defense.
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SPEAKER_04: That's the defense, yeah.
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SPEAKER_05: I am going to live first.
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SPEAKER_04: I will ask for forgiveness in Jesus' name.
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SPEAKER_05: And that's and that's where I feel like my problem is.
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SPEAKER_05: I feel like if I trusted God, I shouldn't care.
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SPEAKER_05: I like I should not be trying to live first.
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SPEAKER_05: Whatever happens from me being on the right side of being like totally honest, whatever that is, I should be willing to accept that if I'm saying that I love God and I that He is He will never let something happen to me.
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SPEAKER_04: But then you don't, you're not considering other people.
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SPEAKER_04: So, for instance, I love God, I'm a devout Christian.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm giving an example.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying I'm a devout Christian because let's be no, no, no.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay, just in case y'all got them.
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SPEAKER_04: So I'm a devout Christian, I am living honestly.
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SPEAKER_04: I do not lie, I do not fornicate, I live, I do not sin.
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SPEAKER_04: I am living a sinless life, sinless as possible that this flesh could do, right?
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SPEAKER_04: All of my answers are yay, all of my answers are no, whatever, right?
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SPEAKER_04: I'm living that life, and some insane man comes and snuffs me out, right?
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SPEAKER_04: Nothing that I did.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you think that that is God doing that?
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SPEAKER_04: No.
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SPEAKER_05: That some insane man came and he backed you in the corner, and now it's whether tell the truth or die.
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SPEAKER_04: Tell the truth and die or lie and get out of there.
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SPEAKER_04: Do you think God is gonna punish you to the utmost if you don't tell the truth to get out of there, to live for living's sake?
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SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because he says any man who loves his life will lose it.
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SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_04: So you are willing to lay down your life for eternal life.
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SPEAKER_04: That is devotion.
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SPEAKER_04: Because I'm lying straight up.
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SPEAKER_04: What is you want?
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SPEAKER_04: You gotta be your bad daddy.
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SPEAKER_04: You want me, yes, I do.
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SPEAKER_04: What you want it from the front, the back, in the ear, in the mouth, and the nose, where you want it.
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SPEAKER_04: I mm-mm lying.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm not living just to live again, because I'm gonna live again anyway, in my mind.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that's the thing.
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SPEAKER_05: I feel like this is it, you only live once, YOLO.
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SPEAKER_04: You only live once, you only live this life once.
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SPEAKER_05: You are correct, and that's the whole entire thing.
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SPEAKER_04: Why the fact that we just had this discussion last night.
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SPEAKER_04: I gave you the exact words that the book of Revelation says.
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SPEAKER_04: Would you like me to pull it up?
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but that but that's just me with my same consciousness.
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SPEAKER_05: Every time we come back to earth, you have a new consciousness.
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SPEAKER_05: That is crazy.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: But here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_04: I think that even though you come back, me, okay, judge yourself, me.
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SPEAKER_04: I think that every time you come back to earth, you come back with a new conscience, but you come back more evolved.
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SPEAKER_04: And I think that every time you come back more evolved, you get closer to actually completing your purpose and having a smoother transition in life than you do the first time you can.
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SPEAKER_04: You have people that are on number one, and you got people that's on number 55.
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SPEAKER_04: You understand what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_04: And so for me, the people that's on 55, if they actually did this thing right and actually evolved with every life, then they're getting this shit right.
20:34
SPEAKER_04: You understand what I'm saying?
20:35
SPEAKER_04: When they say, hey, I am done and I need a vacation from Earth, so I'm gonna go ahead and pass away, right?
20:43
SPEAKER_04: Let's say you live in long, like you didn't come back to for punishment's sake and you came in a different form or whatever, right?
20:50
SPEAKER_04: But you're just coming to live long, right?
20:53
SPEAKER_04: I think that's why we're seeing people live longer now, is because people are starting to get it right in these generations, like people living in their hundreds and stuff like that.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: I think because we right now have the oldest generations that we've had in a long time.
21:09
SPEAKER_04: People were dying in their 70s and in their, you know what I'm saying?
21:13
SPEAKER_04: People were dying before they even hit 80, but now we're having, we have the most people living longer lives right now than we've ever had.
21:20
SPEAKER_04: That's why the, you know, people are working longer, da-da-da-da-da-da, because technology is changing.
21:26
SPEAKER_04: Like we're having better sense on what to put in our bodies, what the da-da-da.
21:30
SPEAKER_04: Versus before we didn't have, we had smallpox.
21:33
SPEAKER_04: Smallpox was killing us.
21:34
SPEAKER_04: Well, somebody created uh medicine.
21:36
SPEAKER_04: So God gave this person.
21:38
SPEAKER_04: You get what I'm saying?
21:38
SPEAKER_04: So every time we're living, we're living better each time.
21:42
SPEAKER_04: And I think that when we are, I believe, and this is my true, genuine belief, I believe that when we're stuck, I believe that there's gonna be a place and a time where we're not, as a whole, gonna be so religious heavy, and people are going to truly be.
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SPEAKER_04: Free, free enough to actually know God in a way that we've never known him before.
22:06
SPEAKER_04: Because I believe his ultimate goal was for us to know him authentically and not high.
22:12
SPEAKER_04: And that's why Adam and Eve, when you say Adam and Eve sinned, I don't believe it necessarily wasn't a sin.
22:19
SPEAKER_04: It was an awareness.
22:20
SPEAKER_04: And I believe that our awareness now is getting fine-tuned.
22:24
SPEAKER_04: Because think about it, the most evolved people are the most aware people.
22:28
SPEAKER_04: They're aware of my emotions and their emotions at the same time.
22:32
SPEAKER_04: You understand what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_04: So they don't become reactive, they become settled, they become quiet, they become knowledgeable.
22:40
SPEAKER_04: And after you have your reaction, then we can have a conversation.
22:44
SPEAKER_04: You get what I'm saying?
22:45
SPEAKER_04: But in your first time living, you ain't never had this experience before.
22:49
SPEAKER_04: You ain't never had disappointment.
22:51
SPEAKER_04: So your reaction is all out there.
22:53
SPEAKER_04: That's just my, you know what I'm saying, ten about it.
22:57
SPEAKER_04: I just think that songs say, I'm living this life just to live again.
23:01
SPEAKER_04: Boom, boom, boom, boom.
23:03
SPEAKER_04: Our ancestors, that is a folk song.
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SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
23:07
SPEAKER_04: We are living this life to live again.
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SPEAKER_04: In heaven, not here in this piss poor earth.
23:14
SPEAKER_04: On this piss poor earth.
23:16
SPEAKER_05: No, in the new earth.
23:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so we talked about that, and we have a new heaven and we have a new earth.
23:22
SPEAKER_04: But you are still gonna come back in physical form.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: It says that very clearly.
23:26
SPEAKER_04: There will be no pain.
23:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but but by that's because our awareness and how we live changes.
23:35
SPEAKER_04: And how we touch God and get in touch with God and how we commune with God changes.
23:40
SPEAKER_05: That's why religion will dwell among us.
23:44
SPEAKER_04: Correct, because our awareness will be pure, our intention will be pure.
23:51
SPEAKER_04: That is going to take away from what we have.
23:55
SPEAKER_04: We're getting rid of the old version of humans.
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SPEAKER_04: Right?
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SPEAKER_05: New creature, like I said.
24:03
SPEAKER_04: I I don't disagree with that, but you said we won't be in physical form.
24:07
SPEAKER_05: Yes, the hell we will be human.
24:09
SPEAKER_04: We will be human.
24:11
SPEAKER_04: We will be human.
24:12
SPEAKER_04: You are a creature right now.
24:14
SPEAKER_05: I am, but I'm gonna be a human.
24:15
SPEAKER_05: Dogs is a creature.
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SPEAKER_05: A new creature.
24:17
SPEAKER_04: Correct.
24:17
SPEAKER_04: You're gonna be you're gonna your spirit gonna have new name.
24:21
SPEAKER_04: Huh?
24:22
SPEAKER_04: You creature.
24:23
SPEAKER_04: You're right.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: We may be reptiles.
24:26
SPEAKER_04: No, ma'am.
24:27
SPEAKER_05: No, ma'am.
24:28
SPEAKER_04: I'm just saying, it says creatures.
24:30
SPEAKER_04: So humans are creatures.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: I don't care what you say.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: We are creatures.
24:33
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
24:34
SPEAKER_04: Correct.
24:35
SPEAKER_04: We're going to be a new form of creatures.
24:38
SPEAKER_04: I don't understand why you don't understand that.
24:40
SPEAKER_05: I do understand that.
24:40
SPEAKER_05: I'm just saying that we won't be humans.
24:42
SPEAKER_04: If you don't want to call creature, well, you can you're not a human now, then you're just a creature.
24:47
SPEAKER_05: I am a human now.
24:48
SPEAKER_05: I'm a human creature.
24:49
SPEAKER_04: Correct.
24:50
SPEAKER_05: But the new creature that I will be probably won't be this.
24:54
SPEAKER_05: It's gonna be something new that we can't even articulate.
24:56
SPEAKER_04: It could be.
24:57
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
24:58
SPEAKER_04: We may exist in robots.
25:00
SPEAKER_04: I think maybe they don't die.
25:04
SPEAKER_04: They don't get tired.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: They don't need water.
25:08
SPEAKER_04: They won't need water.
25:10
SPEAKER_04: I wonder why there won't be a seat.
25:13
SPEAKER_04: Because he bought it and shit.
25:15
SPEAKER_04: He's gonna boil it.
25:16
SPEAKER_05: No, but then the new earth won't be.
25:19
SPEAKER_04: You know, I'm I'm a bit facetious.
25:20
SPEAKER_05: He could make water, but why does he want water?
25:23
SPEAKER_05: Because you know for a long time.
25:25
SPEAKER_04: Water is a conduit of the spirit.
25:27
SPEAKER_05: You know, I'm very, very do you know that I felt very, very close to mermaids.
25:32
SPEAKER_05: Like, and this one lady, she was like, you need to stop calling yourself a mermaid because they're evil spirits.
25:41
SPEAKER_04: Why do people always think the unknown is evil?
25:45
SPEAKER_04: That's a good question.
25:47
SPEAKER_04: Why do people always feel like the unknown is some evil thing that can't do good?
25:54
SPEAKER_04: Like what I do, like how people call me a witch.
25:59
SPEAKER_04: If I was a witch and I was evil, then the people that have wronged me would be unalyed.
26:07
SPEAKER_04: It's no question about it.
26:09
SPEAKER_04: If I had ill intent to what people who truly wronged me out of no doing of my own, you wronged me because you made the bad decisions.
26:18
SPEAKER_04: Why am I a witch because you don't know what I do?
26:24
SPEAKER_04: Because if I was truly evil and such a bad witch, then wouldn't I just unalive you?
26:32
SPEAKER_04: Wouldn't I just get rid of the problem without you even knowing that I did it?
26:38
unknown: Right.
26:39
SPEAKER_04: So yeah, I don't know.
26:41
SPEAKER_04: You know, in my mind, I just feel like people are so afraid of the unknown because they're afraid.
26:51
SPEAKER_04: To me, it's ego, right?
26:53
SPEAKER_04: To me, your ego is what's causing you to tell me that what I do is evil because your ego and pride don't want to say that what you believe is not the truth.
27:06
SPEAKER_04: Not you, you know what I mean, but people in general.
27:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because what I see is a witch is exactly what you're talking about.
27:14
SPEAKER_05: Conjuring up spirits to bring harm and havoc and hurt others.
27:20
SPEAKER_04: I don't know, good.
27:21
SPEAKER_04: I just, I think that the best thing I did was leave Christianity because my sanctity, how you believe is how I believed, and I was, I get fixated on perfection.
27:36
SPEAKER_04: Right?
27:37
SPEAKER_04: And to me, Christianity, if you don't live perfection, then you are doomed.
27:44
SPEAKER_04: But what about the people like me that's type A that do nothing but strive for that perfection?
27:50
SPEAKER_04: I spend my whole life cursed.
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