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Fraud Friday: SiliCON Valley Theft Bro w/ Amanda Seales · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's popping Congregation is your girl? Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: And as always, stay.
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  Speaker 2: Scheming scam, come.
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  Speaker 1: Rob and froll.
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  Speaker 2: Scam, come.
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  Speaker 1: Rub that froll scam Goddess. What is popping congregation is
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  Speaker 1: your girl Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess. And we're back
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  Speaker 1: for another episode of Scam Goddess and I am so
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  Speaker 1: what yes excited. I love our call and response just
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  Speaker 1: like Church Jesus a man. Guys, today we have a
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  Speaker 1: dynamic comedian, actress, writer, producer. Y'all know her. Y'all know her,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to have her here. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't been to her variety game show, Smart, Funny and Black,
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  Speaker 1: which I actually have been to, and it was popping
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  Speaker 1: a fuck. We were dancing, we were singing, it was everything,
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  Speaker 1: which is like a creative quality multicultural comedy con like
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  Speaker 1: she does it across all platforms like Amanda's everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I'll see I gave it away, goddamn.
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  Speaker 1: So. She plays Sidney Dubois on HBO's Insecure, and you
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  Speaker 1: can find her dropping gems on her podcast, which if
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  Speaker 1: you're not into it, get into it. But the girls
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  Speaker 1: are into it. Small doses with Amanda Seals Congregation. Please
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  Speaker 1: welcome Amanda Seals to the show. Hello, Hello, I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you.
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  Speaker 1: For real. I've slowly been gathering up the infinity stones
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  Speaker 1: of Insecure, like saying, oh so, and I'm getting there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I love it. But I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask you. First of all, Amanda looks cutes.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck y'all can't see that, thank you, but she looks
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  Speaker 1: cute as hell. She's the cutest office. We both have
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  Speaker 1: pink offices, and I stand that and live for that
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  Speaker 1: for us. But Amanda, what is your relationship with scams? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever been scammed?
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  Speaker 2: Do you like scams? You hate them?
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  Speaker 1: Are you very vigilant? Do you stay woke and you
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  Speaker 1: never get caught up? Like? What's your what's your situation?
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  Speaker 1: I dated a scammer. I did not know that, haven't
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  Speaker 1: we all?
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  Speaker 2: I mean a man perchance, Yes, he.
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  Speaker 1: Was a man. He was a.
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  Speaker 3: I would think he was a reformed like scammer in
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  Speaker 3: the sense that he wasn't doing act like doing scams,
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  Speaker 3: but just like his mindset was always like how do
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  Speaker 3: I like get all over? Yeah, Like that was like
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  Speaker 3: his mindset.
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  Speaker 2: But I have been scammed.
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  Speaker 3: I was scammed by an undisclosed person who used a
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  Speaker 3: Japanese benefit, a Japanese philanthropist as their cover, and they
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  Speaker 3: had booked me to come to Japan, booked in quotes
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  Speaker 3: the contras can for like.
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  Speaker 2: So the the way that.
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  Speaker 3: I was scanned was that it was supposedly a Japanese
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  Speaker 3: philanthropist whose site we had, you know, we had vetted
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  Speaker 3: the site, like we and in hindsight, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: why we didn't just call, but you know, it's like
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  Speaker 3: this internet, but this Internet really just gets you like,
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  Speaker 3: oh well, we did all the you know, internet stuff,
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  Speaker 3: so this should be fine. And so we we like
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  Speaker 3: did the back channel, We did the background about this
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  Speaker 3: person and like vetted him and like, okay, so this
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  Speaker 3: is legit. And we got the contract and in the
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  Speaker 3: contract it said that they were gonna send us a
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  Speaker 3: fee and then we would send back a portion and
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  Speaker 3: that portion would go to their nonprofit. And that's actually
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  Speaker 3: something that happens quite often, like if you're working with
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  Speaker 3: a company that has a profit and for a nonprofit wing.
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  Speaker 3: So this and this event was for their nonprofit. So
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  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, like it's it checks out,
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  Speaker 3: let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: So they send the chat.
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  Speaker 3: So they send the check and I say to my
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  Speaker 3: business manager, can we send them back the deposit? Like
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  Speaker 3: had did the check clear? Can we send them back
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  Speaker 3: the deposit? And he said, yes, it posted. Now did
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  Speaker 3: they ask for the deposit back? No, but there was
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  Speaker 3: a time limit, so there was it was supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be like you have to send it back within a
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  Speaker 3: certain amount of days.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't ask, but like according to my contract, like
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I try and be.
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  Speaker 1: So they put it in the contract. That's actually very
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  Speaker 1: cute because can I guess, Amanda, did this check bounce?
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  Speaker 3: So you're getting you're letting me get ahead of myself
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  Speaker 3: because I'm sorry, it's just and so what ended up
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  Speaker 3: happening was and I think it's important for me to
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  Speaker 3: just say this because I know that this show people
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  Speaker 3: be listening, and you know, they don't want to get scammed.
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  Speaker 2: But my business manager said, yes, it posted.
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  Speaker 3: And there is a difference between a check clearing and
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  Speaker 3: a check posting, because a check clearing means the funds
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  Speaker 3: associated with the check I have been taken from the
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  Speaker 3: bank associated.
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  Speaker 2: With the check and sent to YO bank.
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  Speaker 3: A check hosting means that the funds for that check
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  Speaker 3: have been put into your account by your bank, and
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  Speaker 3: some banks, depending on their relationship with your business manager
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  Speaker 3: or not, we'll just do that because you're a trusted client.
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  Speaker 3: So I didn't know that that was even happening. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even know that the bank was even doing that.
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  Speaker 3: So when they said the money was there, I thought
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  Speaker 3: the money was there. Long story short, the check bouts.
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  Speaker 3: The bank calls me at five fifty eight and is
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  Speaker 3: like this looks like a fraudulent check, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: do you want to recall the wire? And I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: recall the wire and they're like, well, you know, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 3: actually it's too late to recall the wire because four
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  Speaker 3: forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Was the cutoff. I'm like, what the fuck you called
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  Speaker 1: me at five and four forty five.
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  Speaker 3: With the cutoff, And they really were genuinely like talking
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  Speaker 3: to me, like I was like, actually the scammer, and
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  Speaker 3: they're like, do you know this person?
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  Speaker 1: How could you get.
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  Speaker 2: Involved with this person?
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  Speaker 1: Et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, first of all, pump your brakes,
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  Speaker 3: sharing because I feel like you're cheating me, like I'm
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  Speaker 3: a criminal, and.
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  Speaker 1: I need you to halt all of your the I
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  Speaker 1: felt like I.
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  Speaker 3: Was being accused, and so there was judgment, absolute judgment,
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  Speaker 3: and so essentially what ended up happening was I was
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  Speaker 3: conned out of.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred and nineteen thousand dollars. I just my nick
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  Speaker 2: in my back.
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  Speaker 3: So I went to my business manager and was just like,
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  Speaker 3: this was this decision was made upon your your suggestion.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like I had asked should
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  Speaker 3: I send it back? Have we cleared everything? And for
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  Speaker 3: all intentsive purposes, you have a business manager to avoid
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  Speaker 3: situations like this.
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  Speaker 1: And then they.
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  Speaker 3: They also said that they didn't know that the bank
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  Speaker 3: puts the money up. I don't know that that's true
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  Speaker 3: they knew that, but nonetheless, I really like was depressed
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  Speaker 3: about it for like three days where I was just
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  Speaker 3: like I couldn't sleep, like I was stressed. And then
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  Speaker 3: I literally woke up one morning and was like, fuck that,
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  Speaker 3: we gotta fight that shit.
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  Speaker 1: And I just had this.
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  Speaker 3: I just started thinking, and I was like, you need
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  Speaker 3: to get muscle behind you. Cause if you were a
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  Speaker 3: rich white man like you would already have your money back,
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  Speaker 3: So you need to get muscle behind you. And so
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  Speaker 3: I filed a report with the FBI and then my
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  Speaker 3: very good my very good friend, her husband is a
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  Speaker 3: federal agent for the IRS, and so he got on
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  Speaker 3: it and was able to say he was able to
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  Speaker 3: find out that like this person that does these scams,
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  Speaker 3: like they've been doing the scams like it was a whole,
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  Speaker 3: like it was the thing. And then I called my
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  Speaker 3: agent and I was like, you need to call You
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  Speaker 3: need to be the white man on my team and
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  Speaker 3: call them and be like I'm the white man, Like
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  Speaker 3: you need to use your white man, go be the
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  Speaker 3: white man. Yeah, Like I need you to do that,
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  Speaker 3: and so like I had to really like pull my
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  Speaker 3: gusto out, and at the end of the day, what
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  Speaker 3: actually ended up happening was I spoke to I was
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  Speaker 3: able to eventually speak to the partner like the head
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  Speaker 3: guy at my business management firm, and was like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: straight up and down, y'all keep telling me you're investigating
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  Speaker 3: and I need to chill, and you would never chill
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  Speaker 3: if you were in this situation, So for you to
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  Speaker 3: be expecting that of me is really unreasonable and impractical.
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  Speaker 3: And I am a good person. I don't scam, I
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  Speaker 3: don't shade, I don't do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't cheat people.
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  Speaker 3: And I expect that my ethics will win me out
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  Speaker 3: in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: And it's only gonna win me out if you all
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  Speaker 2: do right by me and.
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  Speaker 1: Give him what will be Goldberg do writ beer everything,
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  Speaker 1: don't fail, listen. And I was proud of myself.
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  Speaker 3: So I also never raised my voice, and I had
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  Speaker 3: every right to use raise voice, but I think in
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  Speaker 3: this moment, like me being real, like quiet, like this
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  Speaker 3: was scarier than me raising my voice. And the next
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  Speaker 3: day he called me and said, we're sending you your money.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I love that this ended on a good note.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to spoil your the ending to that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just on this podcast, everybody knows when the check,
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  Speaker 1: when it comes with a reimbursement. I will say this
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  Speaker 1: is creative because normally it happens in smaller scales where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're gonna work for a secret shopper company.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna send you thirty two hundred dollars and once
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  Speaker 1: it posted, you just send back two hundred, or you
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  Speaker 1: just send back four hundred or whatever, and or you
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  Speaker 1: send back half of it, or you're gonna be my
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  Speaker 1: personal assistant.
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  Speaker 2: I need you to mail these checks out.
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  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of different ways that people do this,
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  Speaker 1: but I will say the contract finesse is a new one,
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  Speaker 1: and it's actually.
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  Speaker 3: A really brilliant one, very common with quote unquote celebrities.
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  Speaker 3: So the person who caught it at the bank, she
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, this just happened to two of our clients.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing I wanted to say was the really,
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  Speaker 3: let me say the real way they got us. Their
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  Speaker 3: website was the person's actual website, but it ended in
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  Speaker 3: dot org and in America that is for a nonprofit,
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  Speaker 3: but they were Japan based. It was supposed to end
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  Speaker 3: dot JP, so the actual website ends in dot JP.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, So they use the legit.
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  Speaker 3: Website name and they just put it at dot org.
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  Speaker 3: And we didn't know any wiser because we're dumb Americans.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean that.
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  Speaker 1: Happens all the time, Like people will clone emails will
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  Speaker 1: clone like Facebook, and you have to really look at
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  Speaker 1: the email. But what's also interesting to me about this
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  Speaker 1: scam is that your bank was like, hey girl, some
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  Speaker 1: ain't looking funny and some looking funny in the light, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to rescind this? And wire transfers are
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  Speaker 1: like the hardest thing to get your money back with
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  Speaker 1: because once that wire goes, it's like such a great
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  Speaker 1: That's why scammers love Western Union. That is their like
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  Speaker 1: cracker barrel. That's their bread and butter, like that's their Starbucks.
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  Speaker 1: They love a Western Union because the wire transfer is
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  Speaker 1: so hard to get back.
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  Speaker 3: And also in China they don't have the same bank rules.
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  Speaker 1: They're on the same bank rules, so.
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  Speaker 3: Like in America, if there's a fraudulent charge, it's on
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  Speaker 3: the person who made the Like if I if I
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  Speaker 3: cut a check on the check bounces, it's on me.
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  Speaker 1: Hm.
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  Speaker 3: In China, if they cut a check and the check bounces,
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  Speaker 3: it's on me.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing too about American banking system. It's
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  Speaker 1: all capitalists. So they were like, hey girl, seems like
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  Speaker 1: you got robbed.
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  Speaker 2: What do you want to do about that?
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  Speaker 1: Sis, because this is your problem now, and that's normally,
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  Speaker 1: why banks will only really give you like Bank of America,
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  Speaker 1: I think, gives like three hundred dollars when you post
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  Speaker 1: a large check and they're like, we're gonna wait for it, girl,
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  Speaker 1: becuz you ain't never posted, you ain't never had money before.
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  Speaker 2: So you got money. Now what happened?
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  Speaker 1: We had money before we saw your balance. I remember
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  Speaker 1: back in the day when I was waiting tables and struggling.
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  Speaker 2: We're not struggling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but you know, waiting tables, putting
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  Speaker 1: my little money in the bank. One time, Bank of
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  Speaker 1: America sent me like a bunch of overdraft fees and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, ah. I called them and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: how are you gonna charge me like seven thirty five
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  Speaker 1: dollars overdraft fees in one hour? Like this is ridiculous,
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving the bank. And they were like, okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we just looked at your account. Where would you like
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  Speaker 1: us to send you two hundred and twenty dollars? Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well I'll stay see but I'm mad. So no, I've
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  Speaker 1: definitely heard of that scam before. I did not know
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  Speaker 1: that they were running it on celebrities, So that is
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  Speaker 1: really good information to know, and I think helpful for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: If you are a celebrity and listen to this podcast,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to you.
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  Speaker 1: We got some blue checks. But yes, I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: it worked out for you though that. And I also
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  Speaker 1: love that you did the thing that I do a
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  Speaker 1: lot now, which is like if I'm angry, like I
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: come at people real calm, just so calm that they're like,
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  Speaker 1: what is she gonna do be cause she should be
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  Speaker 1: a lot more upset, And.
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  Speaker 2: I do that.
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  Speaker 1: And if you guys don't know what a business manager is,
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  Speaker 1: a business manager is someone who, if you get to a
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  Speaker 1: certain point in your career or whatever financial situation you have,
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  Speaker 1: like you might hire someone to manage your money, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe they pay bills for you, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: run the gamut of what they can do for you
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  Speaker 1: depending on what you want. But they take five percent
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  Speaker 1: of like everything that you earn. So like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you get a two dollars residual check, They're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: sins run us hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what would that mean?
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: They run us our test sence, run our case so
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  Speaker 1: much we want them.
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  Speaker 2: So I've I talked about this before.
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  Speaker 1: I've had conversations with business managers, and I always do
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  Speaker 1: this weird thing where I'm like, yeah, you know, but
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  Speaker 1: I've heard about people getting robbed like Rihanna, somebody rob me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I get litigious, but also like I got
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  Speaker 1: cousins with a few strike slift huh. Like you just
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  Speaker 1: stop laughing, like I'll pop the trunk on you. I
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  Speaker 1: will find you.
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  Speaker 3: I need you to know the businessmanager scams, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's that's an other wing to touch
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  Speaker 3: on the Scam Guides podcast because they be really out
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  Speaker 3: here and scamming folks for real, for real, cause you
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  Speaker 3: just be like, oh, I mean, this is one thing.
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  Speaker 3: There's one last thing I have to think about.
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  Speaker 1: No, so I always said, you're never rich enough to
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  Speaker 1: not sign your own checks.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You'd be like, Okay, I'm oprah, I'm signing my own checks.
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  Speaker 3: They're still finding a way, just so you know.
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  Speaker 1: Always always, but I want them to know that I'm
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  Speaker 1: crazy enough that don't try me. Okay, maybe you can
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  Speaker 1: steal a little twenty dollars year and there, but you
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: start climbing the ladder were don't fight.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just gonna be the lot like when we
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: go to court.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I'm a find you, because you got to
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  Speaker 1: show up and we're gonna fight. We don't have a
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  Speaker 1: fist the cuffs. Okay, everybody can get me that. Don't
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  Speaker 1: play about minds. But I'm so sorry that happened. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that it had a happy ending, Abandon, that
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  Speaker 1: she like worked it out, and that the white man
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  Speaker 1: on your team showed up and he did the right
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  Speaker 1: white man thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he steps in, he put his voice in.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was a confluence of you know,
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: elements that made it turned out right.
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  Speaker 1: But ultimately I never thought it would happen to me,
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  Speaker 1: and it did. Anybody can get scammed. Damn, you can't listen.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: I got scammed into flying to Seattle to shoot a
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: whole movie that wasn't real. But that's the story for
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: another time. YEP Girl told us she had the Duplos
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  Speaker 1: brothers producing it. Somehow reached my agenc at CAA, somehow
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: reached agents of like a lot of prominent actors, and
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  Speaker 1: next thing I know, I was on a tiny seaplane
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  Speaker 1: out of Bainbridge Island to my escape.
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  Speaker 3: So you know what you just reminded me that I
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: got scammed once by a woman who claimed she was
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  Speaker 3: an animator, and she like came, she came to New York.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: We brought her up from DC, like she was supposed
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: to music video for me. So she came up to
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  Speaker 3: New York, like she took pictures, like whole situation. She
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: goes back to DC. We're like, okay, send us the
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: first edit, y'all. That shit was like a couple of
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: little scribbles that was done on I paint and then
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: on clippart and here y'all go up peered. So she
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: spent the whole day with me and my videographer and
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: she's just like she had just scanned me from.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Pretending she kept doing the little thing that she see
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: She put her hands like this yes, and like, oh,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: let me get slapshots of that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Like so like we had a whole stalker like fake
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: person just like hanging out with us.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my lord, I forgot about this.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: It's true. It's real, scared.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Cod and you gave me a great transition. In the beginning,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: we were talking about a manager dated who had a
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: scam mentality.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: We're gonna move into what's hot and fraud.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: This is our segment where we warned our listeners about
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: popping scams on the street and more often not we
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: get letters from you guys as always contact us a
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: scam got his pot gmail dot com. Snitch on your
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: friends and family. Just make sure your scam is retired,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: because we don't want to what fuck up your bag? Okay,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: or your cousin's back or your granny's bag.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So I need a fake name, Amanda. We don't care
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: about gender on this show. For this listener letter, Shyla.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I like Shala.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I like Shayla. So Sheila says a lot of nice things,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sheila. Move past that. So Sheila says, I
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: have a crazy ex boyfriend that ran a long term
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: scan while we were together. Okay, this man will go
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to great links to get money while avoiding any actual work. Okay,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him about that. Like capitalism is
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: a scam. Like work smarter, not harder. He sold weed. Okay,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: that's an employment.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: That's a job.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: And he had a job delivering a weekly county newspaper
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: literally one day of the work week.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I think I like his life. I think I want
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to live it sounds good to me. He would pick
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: up the papers and was expected to roll them up
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: with a rubber band and deliver them to his route.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: I discovered a few months into us stating that what
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: he would do was dump all the papers in the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: trash after delivering to a few houses at the beginning
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of the street of his routes. So I get one job.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: But it's your one job though, because at a certain
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: point it's just like, am I fighting capitalism or am
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I just lazy?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: That's true, because I'm like, all you gotta do is
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: throw papers at people's houses. You don't even really got
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: to hit the doorstep. You just chunk them in their lug,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: like that's.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: All, that's all. And he's not paying no bills, right,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: you couldn't drive stop. Yeah, he's definitely must be a
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: hobosexual for sure.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I have never heard that term, and it is amazing
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: if you don't know what a hobosexual is. That's where
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you are dating somebody who is automatically living with you.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: And normally in dating, especially in la or cities where
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: it's hard today like New York, if somebody's like all
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: into you and like, yeah, let's move in. I'm gonna
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: put my toothbrush in here. You got a drawer from
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: my underwares. You're like, oh my god, we in love.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: But really they just need a home, they need an address.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, if you go on two.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Dates and then you show up to your crib and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: it's some mail from them, you got a homosexual.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Bosexual. Okay.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: So after a while he would just start dumping all
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: the papers into the trash after he got them. So
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he would picked the papers up, throw them in the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: trash and he would still get three hundred dollars a
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: week for this, Okay? Is this?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of innovatives. It's just lazy that
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the paper is. That is just lazy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: There's a certain point where like it's just a reflection
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: of your character, Like that's true.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: At a certain point, you gotta really just be like bruh.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: People don't live to work, they live to vibe. You know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: he's vibing six other days of the week. This is
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a fact.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: And how long does it take to deliver those papers?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I mean you can get that done in like two hours?
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: You still, you know, I come from a single parent
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: household where my mother worked two jobs, so I can't
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: really I don't really vibe well with the whole idea
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, I don't like I get that there's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: this movement now where people are like, I don't want
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to work, and I'm like, I said that you don't
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: want to work or you just don't want to do
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: something that you don't want to do. I think there's
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: actual value in the act of like working, Like I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: like the jobs that I have, like because I made
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: a life for myself based on that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: But I have definitely worked outs that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't like.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: And knew that I needed to like muddle through, you know,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: to get to the other side. But when I look
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: at that situation, that just sounds like somebody who is
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: lazy and doesn't have direction.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: But you had another side, you knew where you wanted
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: to go. I feel like some people aren't motivated by work,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Like when we go to school, they'd be like, what's
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: your dream job?
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And some people are like, I don't dream of labor,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: but I don't think.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's labor when you're doing it for somebody else,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: or you're doing it for something that you don't care about.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: So I'd be wondering, like, Okay, so if you weren't
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: doing anything, what would you be doing? And if it
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: means you'd be doing nothing, I'm.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Just like, I don't know that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I want to support you and you're doing nothing though
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: my past nothing because that people would be like, oh, well,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: in socialism, like everybody doesn't have to work because we're
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: all pulling our money.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I hear that, but like.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I don't really feel like I should have to like
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: support your couch surface. I mean, but there's no such
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: thing as a pure economic system.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Like there's been some socialism and capitalism.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: There's bits of social I mean, there's like it's this,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: it's all kind of this meld. But I will say
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know somebody being like I just dream of nothing,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I had a home unique she was a lawyer and
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, what would you be doing if you
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: were a lawyer?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And she was like chilling, chilling.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean? She was like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: exactly what we're doing right now. We're on the beach, chilling.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The goddess counsel was like, what do you want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: do with your life? She was like, I love sand,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Pina coladas, sunshine, salt water.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: But even as she say that here we are what
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: it's got to be. It's twenty twenty one, so it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: got to be like twelve years later and she's.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Like a partner at the firms.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, get the hell out of here, right,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that's not what she really wants. Yeah, I feel you.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: So the schailta says, I'm embarrassed to say this, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I dated him for three years. The dick wasn't even great. Well, damn, Shane,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Well then why did you stay? I was honestly just
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: too busy to break up with him because she was working.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: She was, she said she was. She was too busy
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: getting all the work done to pay the bills.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: She said she was in most can't do much these days.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know where they live, but in Los Angeles,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: three hundred dollars is literally about six meals at tender
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Greens for two people.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And that's what the pickup, Not a delivery on Postmates.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: A parking ticket, or if you get told and you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: let your car wait in the impound for one day,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: that's three hundred dollars.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Don't ask me how I know that. But it's not
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a lot. It's not a lot.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't stretch. And she said she was an apprentice tattooer
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: at the time, worked every day at the shop for free,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and then bartended five nights a week, so Shalea was tired.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: She was during the day she was over here, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: doing discount tattoos, and then at night she was slinging
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: them drinks there. It's like yeah, like she was in cocktail.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: She said he kept the house really clean and wasn't
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: awful to me, so I let it go longer than
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I should have. I love that, like when you're a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sister person. The bar is Sola dating a sister, like
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: a sister woman and a sister and man like the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: bar be on the floor on the.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: She said, he kept the house clean and didn't treat me.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Terrible awful, which, by the way, you's do.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Give us any indicator of what he was treating her like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: because I feel like terrible is subjective, right.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And also terrible is I feel like if she'd been
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like he treated me good or fine, then I'd be like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I get it, But like terrible is he didn't treat
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: me terrible, like he treated me bad, but not terrible,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like you're giving your wedding vows and you're like, Sean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you always run the dishwasher. And every day I wake
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: up the same amount of money that was in my
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: wallet the night before is in there.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I love, like this is what is this?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It sounds like jagged airs, like we ain't getting no younger,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: we might as well do it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And everybody did that at their wedding. Everyone played that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: song at their wedding times.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: It's very it's giving me very you know what, what
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: else is there to do right now?
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Until I had a telling else to do right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I had a cousin who got married and I'm not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: going to say his name because I got a lot
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of cousins, but they played that song at their wedding
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and also during the actual nuptials. He had a bluetooth
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in his ear, which I think at the time like
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: he thought was fancy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So he had a.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Bluetooth, a bluetooth speaker of like one of those phone
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: call things that would automatically pick up.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: In his ear. And the whole time I was thinking, like, bro,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: are you gonna take a call during the wedding?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Like why do you why do you have that in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: your ear? He was trying to show the girls he
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: had radio.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Shack coins that he had a bluetooth, and like, why
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: would you do that? I when I met too Short
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: he had the first time I met too Short, he
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: had a bluetooth in each year, so he had blue
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: teeth each.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yir, that's headphones.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Two chats.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to have one. He said, I get multiple
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: calls from different people.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: This want attach this phone, This want attach this phone.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I got different things. I'm like, you know, I got
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: this is this is the batphone in my writy, but
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: this is the house phone in my left ear.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: On one year he's like, what's your favorite word?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: On the other year it's like bitty And then there
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: are two different phone calls.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And love that for him, Love that for him.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So she says, we stayed together briefly after we broke up.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: What can I say?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: He still had the heat of my house that we
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: previously shared, but I asked for it back. He gave
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: me a copy of the key. It literally still had
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: a tag on it. I changed the lock and stopped
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: answering the text after that. So she was like, I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: need my key back, and he was like, oh, here
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you go, queen. And then at home depot six ninety
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: nine on it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So you disturbing. So you're talking about the key?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: What is what?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Why were you?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Why was he so allowed in the house? Like also,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: so we all learned, We all learned. Trust me, I've
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: done dumb things too.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was all like mister clean ball, dressed in white,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: keeping the floors polished. That's what I'm doubtful. Doubtful.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely had enough newspapers to wipe down
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: the mirrors.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, because he had tons of newspapers. So in the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: years since we broke up, I occasionally hear things about
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: him from my friends who still buy weed from him.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: He committed insurance fraud. Okay, he had someone car.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm not mad. Get your people, listen.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: The only thing about TVP loans is y'all got this
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: stuff for like literally six weeks before the government was like,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: hey girl, you don't own a farm.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: We actually look it up and you don't have no crops.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You don't even own a lot more. Get it back,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: run it back.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So basically the insurance fraud thing was he would have
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: someone steal and quotes his car and drive it into
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: a river it was totaled, and then he collect on
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the insurance check a river.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: There wasn't that better?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, listen, I guess you know what.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Let me let me just say, maybe I'm wrong. He
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: was working.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: That's how it's like a job to be coordinating in
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: your car theft. That sounds like full time work.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He had to get on Yelp or Google maps and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: find like a river that was deep enough to destroy
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the car. I don't know, seems like work to me.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And at the Enchila says, I'm not worried about telling
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you this and fucking up his bag because obviously he's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: telling multiple casual acquaintances that he sells them drugs. Okay, cool, cool.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Overall the boyfriends, I don't know, he was living his passion.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I really I don't like theft.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I don't like theft.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: There's certain stuff that I get that I'm like, yeah,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: fuck the system. But then there's certain stuff that I
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: just be like, this is gonna show up in our life,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: do you know understand? And that's what she saw, like
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: the nigga tried to scam her about her crib and
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I just feel like there's no honor among thieves like that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: At a certain point, it's just be.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Like, damn, I gotta get you now too, Like I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: don't like that there's there Listen, there's criminality that I
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: really am like whatever, but theft I don't do.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It depends on from who for me, because if you're
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: thieving from somebody who's thiephen then I mean it's all fair.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, But if you have in your mind that taking
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: something that's not yours is okay, I feel like there's
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: only there's this only it's only going to be an
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: unmattered tame before I'm a part of that equation.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like there's no honor among thieves, so everybody
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: can get it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Everybody can get it right if if I'm if something
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: about me ends up becoming a viable source, you know.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, theft is rated E for everyone.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: So you know, you're still stolen out of my house
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: by someone I was paying, okay, by someone with that
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: buy an employee and her little boyfriend. She was houseding
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: for me, and they stole they stole my earthquake stash.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Damn not the earthquake stash. Also, I love that, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you know most people have earthquake kids. You have like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: an earthquake stash of cab you here.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Do you feel the ground rumbling?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Because if the shit shut down, ain't nobody gonna be
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: using no credit cards now right, We're.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Gonna be back to Carrie Shells and rocks.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You gotta be liquid. I'm gonna have a handful of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: painkillers and some water. What I'm trying to barter with
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you I got three tampons and on Aliyah
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: c D. What can I get for safety? What do
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: y'all gonna give me? Right? Because you can't get that?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Can't get it? Bab at fron And.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: It's time for historic hoodwinks. We were Gale Amanda with
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a famous criminal group of criminal squad. Uh you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: maybe we like, maybe we hate them, we don't know yet.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Today we're talking about the city. I guess you to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: call it city. I'm gonna call it a town, Opa
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: like a Alabama. Oh and we're specifically talking about Kyle Sandler,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: who basically became the most dashing man in this very
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: small town. I've never been to Opahika.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Have you been there? I know you tour some time. No, okay,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Opa like venues, So.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'll check it out, all right. It's like many cities
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that were struggling after their session. It's downtown was largely vacant.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Jobs were scarce, The town was thirty thousand people and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: perfect picking grounds for Kyle Sandler, a man who came
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: in with a story about striking it rich and wanting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to help the town. I'm always curious when a man
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: is just like, I want to help people voluntarily.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: That's my whole job. That's it. Okay, let's see.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So the story goes that Kyle Sandler told everyone that
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he was a one time Google executive who got rich
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: on the West Coast and just so happened to pick
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Opa like us his next home. I love that he
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: went from being a Google executive to like, I'm moving
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to Opahlika, Alabama because you not. Also love that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he is Asian, but he's giving Asian,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: and I'll bet you that they were like, oh, yeah,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: he was a Google exect.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Like if a brother had come.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Saying he was a Google exact, people would be like
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: running him out of the town with tiki torches.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: But they were like, it's for yeah, he's yeah, that
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: makes sense, Like he famously said, get.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: No one would believe the black guy is a Google execus.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: But this man, we can see it. We're looking at
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: a bottle. We'll post it on the page later. So
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: he drove a sporty Jaguar and a town full of
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: pickups and had, in his own words, a heart of gold.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: How are you gonna call yourself having a heart of goat?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's not like I'm strong. Go ahead, right, I feel
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: like you can't say you. Somebody else has to say
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that about you. Pay a friend. It's like the goat,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Like you can't just be like I'm the goat, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: unless you're unless you're in like a non subjective sport
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: where it's like I have won this many times so
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: there no no one has won more than me.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I am the goat. Lebron didn't say he's the goat?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Can he? I think he's one of those things.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Did you see when Usher had a birthday and he
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: was walking around with a bunch of goats saying that
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: he was a monkst company.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I can't even.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Usher, We didn't mean literal goats. We made greatest of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: all time. But okay, hang out with these goats. He's like,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: this is the this is all I can hang out
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: with is other goats. This is bad goats. So he
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: came to town smelling like a right man. That's my
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: whole community. So he came to town smelling like a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: man who created jobs, bring innovation. In October twenty fourteen,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: he opened a tech business incubator called Roundhouse, and he
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: called himself a conductor. Anybody who got a job titled that,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I can't really like, you can't go to college and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: be like, let me get them conductor classes. I'm going
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to grad school for conducting.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: What is that? That's not a room drug?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: My homegirl just she was like I still haven't gotten
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to the bottom of like what this was that she's
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: working with.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: But like someone responded to her and said, so.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: You will connect you with our chief of streets and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that person will then let you know.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And she was like, this is the greatest job title
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen. The chief of Streets. I don't know
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: of the kaye, okay.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: How do you how what what is the criteria needed
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: for that job? I want to know what the curriculum vite.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't Chief of Streets his offices on Third Street, just
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: depending on where he moves his car. Now, Chief of Streets,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: your office is on Martin Luther King jot Martin Luther
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: King Avenue like I said, Sin Luther King Boulevard like
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: intersection Malcolm X, you were the chief of streets yep.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So he opened this tech company right. The business would
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: help develop new startup companies by providing services such as
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: venture capital, office spaces, one gigabyte internet, and management training.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: This is also vague management of what management of who?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Right is one gigabytes a lot of internet? Is it
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: like a Starbucks? Can we share?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: That? Is it fast? Can I download things? Can I upload?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's a pretty good amount. I mean, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: people slungs that don't come at the same time. Oh, bka.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: So he also found an ally in local John McAfee. Now,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: if you know anything aout John McAfee. That's another episode
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: for another time. That man is wild as hell. So
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: knowing that he was cool with him, like that man
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: is let's just say John McAfee had a lot of guns,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: would be in the jungle, ran for president, would be
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: on the boat hound crack. Oh, he's a tiger king
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: foot show and I love it. It's just like, oh,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he had a friendship with him. This is a friendship
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: with Tiger King, Like if you striking up, that's like
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Kim john Un And.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Who's that basketball player Dennis Rodman.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Did this Rodman? It's like that kind of relationship is
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: like y'all both phone some different times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That's the vibration that I want to stay far away from.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I want to stay.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Super far from that viboration. I'm good. So Chuck Whacker
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: one of Chuck Whacker, what kind of name. I'm not
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: gna get no money to Chuck Chuck.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: They don't get Whacker than Chuck Whacker like that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I can't, Amanda, you're trying to go down to the club.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Chuck Whacker got a table.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: So this is one of the locals who invested in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Round High and said Kyle was a master. I think
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: he could get money out of a guy living under
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: a bridge. He was that good a promoter and a pitchman. Chuck,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I think you're gassing Kyle because you got scammed. So
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: you need everybody to know you got scammed by like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Eli Musk, not just some phony who came into town.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And that's another thing about scams, there's a little bit
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of shame in it, like if you get scammed, you're like, oh.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, they got me. This is crazy, exactly right, So.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: You gotta be like it was actually Albert Einstein. He
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: had just left the patent office and then he got me. Like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you gotta hype it up so you don't feel bad.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So Sandler ultimately brought in around one point nine million
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: dollars from over fifty investors. Wow, so he ain't the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: bagh Kyle then forty three who grew up in Maryland.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Eventually his career so this is like about him eventually
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: his career into promoting startup businesses online while he built
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a name as a serial entrepreneur. We've talked about the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: words serial entrepreneur. It means criminal. Oh okay, if you
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: are serial entrepreneur, you are going from crime to crime
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: like frogger and we know it. Got it, okay. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: he said he moved to Opelaca because his wife wanted
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to move back home. Opahlakah offered high speed fiber optic
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: networks for internet and an incentive of free internet service
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: worth about fifty thousand dollars. Now I don't know, like
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: how you found that out, Okay. So he had an
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: entrepreneur career. He also offered mentorship to young entrepreneurs in town,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: which is how he met thirteen year old Taylor Rosenthal
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: h what he met a thirteen year old he was
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: given mentorship Taylor. Taylor was the creator of an idea
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: for a vending machine that dispersed his injury related gear
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: marketed towards athletes on the field, like band aids, bandages,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: and antiseptic, so they don't have like, so this is
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Tyler and this is him standing next to his his
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: spain years.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now here's hot thing.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: This is why American healthcare system is so ass I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: need a band aid?
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Are you telling me? I gotta put it six quarters fair?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Fair?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I'm bleeding and I got a blimping Yeah, I gotta.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Hit one six seven, I got hit twelve seven to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: get what?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, Tyler, they don't got medics for this. Help.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So the concept was expanded for general public use at
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: theme parks and concert venues.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's actually not bad.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: If I went to a theme park or concert venue
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and they had band aids for the girls, I don't know, Uh,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: what else do you need to call? Like an EpiPen?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: You could need an EpiPen that's actually real, and you're like,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you know, it's mosquitos and stuff, so you may need
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: hyde your quarters on or something some off.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Records show that RECMDLLC formed on December first, twenty fifteen,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: and Sandler registered like was a registered agent to this property.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So Taylor and his parents as co owners, had a
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: seventy percent stake. So then our scammer Kyle had like thirty.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: The company was based on the round. Even though they
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: made a promotional video for the machine. Okay, I mean
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the machine could actually be cute. But also do they
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: have medic tens at concerts? Yes?
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yes they do, so okay.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Soon after an article in Ink magazine named Taylor one
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: of the twenty teen entrepreneurs set for success in twenty fifteen,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: stories were sent around an undisclosed company was offering Taylor
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like thirty million dollars for his paying vended machine. In
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: an interview with Fox Business, Style says that he rejected
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the offer, holding out for fifty million, so he was like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I can get more for these band aid machines.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: How much you bleed? Are you bleeding fast? You like?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So, according to Taylor's family Sandler, Kyle showed them documentation
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: indicating that pharmaceutical giant Johnson and Johnson was interested in
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the theme park giant six Flags. So basically he showed
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: up and was like, hey, Johnson and Johnson.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: They said, no one here.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Nice, They said six Flags, we would also like to partake.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And he had a piece of paper showing them that, like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you can't just type pieces of paper up because you.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Could just and put a logo on the head.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Look at us tea folks, how to sit scam Now
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you just get put the logo on the on the
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: top of it and make it a letterhead.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: And then you print it up and they photoshop.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: So he showed up fresh out of Kinko's paper, hot
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: as hell. They want you. So more and more attention
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: was being brought to Roundhouse, which is Kyle's business, and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: legitimate business people were working there. In twenty sixteen, McAfee
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: started a bizarre presidential campaign. I told you he's wild,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: He's a wild man, and he announced Roundhouse and Sandler
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: as his campaign advisor. So now Kyle has gone from
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur, grind hard motivationalist to a campaign advisor,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: serial entrepreneur. He got lots of.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Jumps, right, you did, right, flag can see how that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you can see how that correlates.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, he went from basically being like team no sleep.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: To I'm out here, White House. It's okay, I'm still listening.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: So, however, a bitcoin mining company with ties to McAfee
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: at the time, MGT Capital Investments, acquired a membership interest
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: in The Roundhouse in like May twenty sixteen. So these
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: are just more people getting interested in buying. That's how
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the stuff goes. You have a lot of money, then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you see somebody who's like, hey, you got a lot
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of money, I'll make you more, and then they just
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: get involved. Company invested one hundred and twenty five thousand,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: provided another two hundred and fifty thousand in stock bonuses.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Despite the promises of huge paydays around the corner and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: national press attention, Roundhouse abruptly closed December twenty sixteen after running.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Out of money.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It never had money, No, they didn't. They never had money.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: They never have money.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Hey, you just show up to Roundhouse thinking you about
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: to have a business meeting. It's just a chain on
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: a door.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I hate this for everybody.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. So days later, The Opelika Auburn News
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: quoted Sandler saying the business has simply run out of coins.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for what happened to Opelaca a roundhouse. I
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: lost control and we ended where we're at? Where do
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: money go? How did y'all run out of coins?
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Is ideas? How do you run out of idea money?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: If everybody's invested in an idea, where did the idea
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of money go?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I'm really.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And he went to Opa Layca, probably because he was thinking, like,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: you know, these people don't know, they don't know, like
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: this is slow town. It's a small Yeah, it's a
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: small town. Not slow as in mentally, but like you know,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: it's a big fish, small pond, like they're not gonna
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: He's driving to Jacquar.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's impressive.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's like when New York dudes will go to HBCU's.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I mean it was like HBCUs down south, Like it
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: was like you're from not big city, right.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: And that's what That's what the thought was here. So
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the truth was before Roundhouse is closure, several investors discovered
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: who Sandler really was. This is Kyle So Kyle never
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: worked for Google. The I'm sure, an easy Google, Like
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: you could have just used the search engine. Kyle worked
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: for foot locker, okay, like get out of.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Here, Kyle used Google.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: He was like, I did a lot of work with
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Google because I will open the search engine and I'd
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: be like, how to crime, So technically not lying.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: So they discovered he was a fraud.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Right, and despite cruising around in his Jaguar, he was
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: never wealthy. You can rent an expensive car. Have you
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: been to Atlanta? That's all they do is drive around
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: their mortgages. Sorry Atlanta, Sorry to this day. In twenty ten,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: he was convicted in Maryland and North Carolina of attempted
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: theft and forgery, but never went to prison. Cute, We
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: love a conviction. But just like you opted out of jail.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: How did that work?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I said all the time.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see that on that docu series on Netflix?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: How to.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: How to Fix a drug?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: How to Fix a Drug scandal? That's a scam?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Oh you need to watch that.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: That's a scam. Okay, how to fix a drug scandal?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't know you could go to court and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: they'd be like you're guilty. You'd be like, all right, cool,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: see y'all later. Thank you so much. Legit THO, like, yeah,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that's okay what we did, right, damn obummer, I am guilty,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: all right, well y'all be easy and then you just
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: leave like I thought this was to detain you after No, Okay,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I'm black, so I wouldn't know nothing about that, like
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: they like before we even go to court. So all
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: my reviews from his stint as a wedding dj.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yo, this is wow.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Detail that he was going to vanish owy somebody petty,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And I love that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: For them because like how you gonna.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Hire a wedding DJ and then you show up and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you're like ready for the first dance and there's just
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: no music, y'all.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Wedding is no music.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: He should have put an iPod iPod and was like
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: turning the doll.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Like I feel as though he didn't show up with
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: anything at all. I feel like he took the money
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and then just didn't come to the wedding, which that's.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Ass oh wow, because I feel like if you do that,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: it's like people will find you out and like you.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Like the wedding circuit I feel like is like pretty tight.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: They talk, yeah, they talk, and the wedding planners like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not just Lopez.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: They all talk.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: So after Roundhouse is shut down, Taylor Rosenthal's family learned
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that Sadler had also been lying about the thirty million
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: dollar deal, which he was purely orchestrated to be parroted
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: by a child's interviews to bolster Roundhouse's reputation. So basically
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, y'all got all these deals on
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the table, But he was just doing that so he
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: could get the free clout from the child selling the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: medical vending machine. He's not a dumb man, right because
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: in an article on ail dot com, this is a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: quote that was the most tragic of things he did.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: He sucked in this fourt ten year old boy. You
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: used that kid viciously, said Johnny, what viciously?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know about viciously.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when fourteen you can recover, like you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: can recover. So I think I think it's okay, but
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you know, so this is how you got arrested. He
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: was arrested in June twenty eighteen. Record show that week's earlier.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: He and a young woman from the startup media company
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: in College Station, which that's where Texas and located Yeah,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time there. Yeah, I dated
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a dude there who he ended up getting kicked. Well,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: he had gotten kicked off the team, and then he
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: was scamming God damn. I mean he got look he
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: was gonna play football. And then he was like, all right, crime.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have a backup. They say you
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: gotta have a plan B. Your plan B can always
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: be crime. You're saying that jokingly, but that's a number
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: of people's plan B.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: It was like nfl okay, crime.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Life comes at him fast, damn, because he was he
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: looking real down bad. Here he was looking like a
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: tech guy before. Now he's looking like a criminal. Criminal.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: The hair is grown. He couldn't even go to great clips.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: What is his haircut?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: It feels like he started to get the haircut and
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: then they realized his card to climb, and then they stopped.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: That's what it's giving.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: They started to cut the bang and then they were like, oh,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: your card actually didn't go through.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yang and then they kicked him out.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Oh tragic. We hate to see it, but also maybe
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we love to see it. So record show weeks earlier.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You know, he tried to start this startup and he
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: was in college station and he's talking about he was
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: gonna get like six hundred fifty million dollars for the
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: girls and the minimum investment was ten thousand dollars. It
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: was also discovered that much like the one point nine
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: million Sandler raised, which I'm like, okay, one point nine million,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: why are you looking at this raggedy Where did that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: money go that fast? I'm gonna say, you can do
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a lot with one point nine million. Okay, lots, you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: can definitely at least like go for you fair to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: shay like I agreed, But.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Greed is what really be taking folks out because of me.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: If you had raised at one point nine just chill out.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah you feel like after that bally, yes, go somewhere
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: where your money can be long and just give it up.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And that has no extradition. Oh yes, see listen up, guys.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: So it was discovered that much of the one point
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: nine million dollars sandlor Rais was actually diverted to expenses
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: such as childcare, rent, and cars, and he was able
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: to get away with it because no one asked to
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: see his books or even a cursory check into his background.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: They just believed him because he looked like he could
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: work in tech hates. I'm not giving my money to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you because you got a good costume. I'm gonna need
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to see some things. I'm gonna need a forensic accountant
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to help me out with that, not just like, oh,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you got cute fits and then I'm gonna give you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: my money and hope. No. So Sandler said, one of
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: the things to look at was how easy it was
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: for me. Anything I said was taken his gospel, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of skammers are charismatic. So they were like, yeah, Sandler,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you said Obama gonna be here tonight. Yeah, yeah he was,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: but the jet they had ran out of field. You
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: know how much jet engine fuel cost, so they actually
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: going to Xil right now, but they gonna be here later.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Like what, It's just so wild, Like he really just
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: showed up and was like, yeah, this is what I am.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And they were like, fort shall we believe you. We
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: hear you talking, and we believe you.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So he pleaded guilty to two federal charges of wire
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: fraud securities fraud in August and faces a maximum sentence
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: of twenty years on each forty years in prison for
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: stealing money from people who should have done their due diligence.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It feels crime.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: It feels excessive and expense, like prison is expensive on taxpayers,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: like I don't know. Maybe we get Sandler into some
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: investment classes.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: He does some community service, he goes back to DJing.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: He DJ's all those.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Weddings that he means, he's on the turntables.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: It's been years, so he djning the bar Mitzvah's right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: He gets on the ones and twos for the community.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's fair.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: So earlier this year he was indicted on fraud and
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Monday laundering and John McAfee, Oh damn everybody. So he
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: alleged that he and others, including John McAfee, made more
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: than thirteen million dollars by foolly investors. Zeal is over
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: emerging cryptocurrency market. Which crypto is its own game, it
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: really is.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I brought some bitcoin. I don't know what it does.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know when did you buy it? Did you
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: get in early?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: My knowledge on the conversation has ended. We have reached
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the end of my knowledge on the conversation.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: So after his release, Sandler dreams of using internet slash
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: opal Laca based business to raise money and raise money
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and repay his victims. When he's released from prison, and
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: he said, I hope they will have me back. They will,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: how I bet you they would. You hope they will
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: have you back. You rob them. You came to the
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: town and you robbed everybody. I bet you they would
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: have him back. I swear I love the delusion of like, no,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: but they still loved me. I was a cool guy. Yeah,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I stole a life. Save this, but vibes no. I
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: just I want better for people. I want people to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: want better for themselves.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I do, but I also don't.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes you do a scam and or
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you do something risky and it turns out good.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not all bad.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, I made ten dollars on my bitcoin.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Look at you winning. Okay, see see something good came
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: out of that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Oh you just went out And now I'm getting a
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: call from scam likely. Wow, that's actually me groh.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Sorry, but I'll do that's actually meet so Scammer of
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the Week, a fortune teller was arrested for fraud, including
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: scamming one victim out of fifty thousand dollars in Riverside, California. Okay,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could put fortune tailor and
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: fraud in the same sentence. Yeah, because I feel like
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it's already coming from the left. That's like saying corrupt police,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Like yeah, duh.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Because fortune teller, maybe we're being American right now and
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: other cultures like maybe that's like some legit shit. But
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: here in these United States, I feel like a fortune
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: teller has always been synonymous with someone who's like just
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: getting you. You know, they're praying on your insecurity.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: This is a fortune tailler who probably looks like he
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: identifies as male. He looks pretty handsome, and he got
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a fade. I've never Normally fortune tellers are women, they're older,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: they give you gravitas.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Fortune teller thirty one year old Andrea's Penna Mensus or
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: my niece says, excuse me, told victim, told a victim
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: that she had parasites in her body and needed money
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to help her clear it out. Okay. So if you
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: looked into Daddy Future and they said the girl has worms,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: why wouldn't she go to the doctor?
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: How you go clear it out now. This is but
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: you know, people don't be trusting the medicine. I don't
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: blame them either, you know. Likes true, the same people
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: that you're talking about probably would have used ivermectin versus
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: a vaccine.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Right, and not even got the ivermactin for people from
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the doctor. They're going straight to the horse's mouth, literally
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: taking it out of the horses mouth.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Horses Like, what did we do?
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: We was just out here trying to be stallions, and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: now we can't get our horse de warmer. Wow. So
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: he later contacted the victim and explained that if she
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and her family were cursed and needed more money to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: get rid of it, so.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: How do you have to build somebody for being cursed?
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I gotta first of all, I gotta
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: buy a lot of stage for y'all. Crystals. The market
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: for crystals is real up right now.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Like it though, the market for crystals is up right now.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta charge them in the mot ight, leave about
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: this crystal life, like in a real way. I got
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: a few crystals. I won't lie. I haven't charged them,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: but I got them.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I need to, like what else? What else
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: do you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Say, is contributing to this fifty thousand dollars for you
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: to clear a family curse, Like, I gotta talk to
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of spirits. And honestly, it's like it's like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: six thousand an hour.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: It's taxing, it's taxing. We're talking candles, we talked.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: You know, like the the the Wi Fi signal has
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: to be really strong.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Really strong. And listen, these aren't candles from glade. Okay.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: These have to be handmade, you know, thick with candles,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: so they run up. Honestly, Joe Malone is really where
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you contact the spiritual world.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So because it's absolutely run yes.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: It will run it up. So during a search of
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: its home, officials found large amounts of cash, along with
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: voodoo dolls, tarrot cards, altars, religious and satanic objects, and
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a small live snake. Well, he was giving it presentationally.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: The smooth ball.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Snake is my favorite part. He was like, we're gonna
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: really bring this to another level, right.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: He was like, if the snake starts slithering, that means
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: your family curse.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: It's like, does not that's how snakes move?
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no, if you're not cursed, it's gonna
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: walk and.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Stick its tongue out. It's talking to me.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's telling me that your family evil. So
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: what'll trying to do. According to some victims, Monissius would
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: tell them to bring a mattress from their home, which
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: he would cut open and claim to find the live
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: snake inside with the demonic type items and letters. But
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: you know what, y'all dumb for doing this.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: The same way that there are an entire legion of
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: QAnon members believers like in Dallas right now that we're
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: waiting to see John F. Kennedy come back to life
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: to claim the Donald Trump as.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: The real president. Some people I feel like they want
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to be scammed, Like they're like, I scam me.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It made me feel alive, right.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: There's also something in America about being, you know, a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: contrarian or on the opposite side of a theory that
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: makes people feel smart. So like this is a secret
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: thing that we all found out that like John F.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Kennedy is the second coming, but there's like.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Opposite side and then just like the upside do like,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: hey girl, we're going to joe An's Fabrics first, actually
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: going to Hobby Live because they really hate the girls
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: and so we're gonna get our puffy pant and our signs.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: And they meet us on the grassy No, because they
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: said John F. Kenny gonna pull up around six thirty.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I just I can't.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: So like it's the same energy that's like, all right,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: the watcher, that's happening in my house.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: It's probably not me. It's probably a snake in my mattress.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But on dre is, how are you getting the snake
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: in the mattress without them noticing? Like how are you
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: cutting it open? And then being like, oh see this
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: is snake here, John, we saw we saw you put that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Oh look look a bird.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: It's a plane and you know, and they turn back around.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: He's like, look it's John.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Kennedy And they turn around looking for jfk And when
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: they turn back they're like, we did not see him.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: And they're like but he's like, I saw a snake.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: They're like, oop, is that your dad? Grandma? Look over there?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Do you understand how hard it is to bring a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: mattress somewhere?
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: So they got moving trucks, don't getting u all.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: And it's a golf spring, Like, I just I like,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: that's not a casual.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: He didn't say, bring an article of clothing.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Right, a letter, bring a piece of jewelry?
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Why he chose something so massive? And did he make
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: them haul it away later? Like did he make them
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: take the mattress with them?
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: He had to if he's not keeping the mattress, He's like,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: y'all got a mattress giant? Like mattress giants about to
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: have some new ads, like did you have a snake
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: in your mattress?
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I just a mattress giant.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Hate hearing about dumbness, like it just it drives me
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Boddy to hear people really just set themselves up for
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the fleury.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Right like a whole And mattresses are expensive, like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if I'm cutting my mattress open for a
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: psychic reading, that just be like Miss Cleo would never
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Miss Cleo said call him me out. She's never said
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: run me your casper, Like that's a lot on me,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: you Casper, that's too much. And so some victims said
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: that he would tell them to, you know, bring the mattress.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: He would tell them that, you know, they had a
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: demonic spirit following them. He was recently booked on charges
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: of grand theft and lied are basically grand theft by
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: false pretenses, and he's currently out on bail. According to records,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: he has previously been arrested as a faith healer in Chicago.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well all right, he's been arrested as a
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: faith healer.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: He was a bad faith.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hilarious.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you arrest somebody for this. This
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: feels like if I was trying to get the police
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: to find somebody on the train who told me that
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: they left a wallet and that they need to cash
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I saw them do the same
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: thing last week in New York, Like, I feel like
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you just have to take the l You brought your
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: mattress to somebody's home. You are culpable.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: I guess if you affected enough people in the community,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: it just becomes like you're a mens and thus you
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: must be dealt with. I don't know what the indictment
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: charge is. You know what was he trying to furnish
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: his home?
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: He was like, I feel like you have a very
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: bad spirit in your end table. It would bring it
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: to my home because I met you. It's a spirit
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in there. Yo.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Do you have a Panasonic? Do you have an LGTV?
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Is it flast green. Oh, it's a spirit in there.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: Bring it to my homes, like the premise of some
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: type of twisted Korean film.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Like, right, you got a Bretta, Yeah, a new one
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: with the thing to tell you when it's all yeah,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: bring that in several refills to my home. It's a
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: spirit in there. And then when it arrives, it's like, oh,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: this is the wrong one you healed right, this is
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: getting very spot and like I heard, you got a spirit.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: It's definitely in your persian rug.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Bring it to my Like are you decorating your house
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: on psychic vibes? I don't know, Andreas, but that brings
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: us to the end of the show.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Amanda for being here. You're fabulous.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Where do you want to be found?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: That's what we ask people, all the things you want
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: people to find you in, just where you want to
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: be found. You know why people can find me. People
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: can find me on my Patreon.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: We started It's my Funny and Black Patreon, And you know,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I was really looking for a place where I can
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: put content that I didn't want to have to put
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: on Instagram because Instagram is haters and you know this
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: marks like a berger has metaverse, like they just do
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: things that are silencing people that actually are about things,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: and I really.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Have they have not.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: They have not unblocked my life. So by the time
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: this airs, I hope that they have.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: But as we're recording this, it's been twelve days and
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I just can't go on Instagram live, and like there's
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: no explanation being given other than like we're working on it,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: and I'm just like, dang, like is much shit so bad?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Like I just there's I have great lives. They're not
• 58:41
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• 58:44
  Speaker 3: It says that the reason why it won't go live
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: is because I have violated community guidelines. But even with that,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what what guidelines am I violating? Like the
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: last time I got a flat for violating a community
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: guideline was because someone came on my post and said
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: that I was stupid and that I was an idiot,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and I was like actually, and I corrected them about
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: like the stuff they were saying, and then I ended with.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Bi s h big thing. I ended with bi s
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: h bish and got flagged for that. Now that's all
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: that's a whack. I feel like you do get a
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: lot of unnecessary heat.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Like when the insecure like ak thing happened, it was like, girl,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: what are y'all talking about?
• 59:31
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• 59:35
  Speaker 3: If I was actually I was talking to dj MV
• 59:39
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• 59:41
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• 59:45
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• 59:50
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• 59:53
  Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, either they've misinterpreted something I
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