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Danny Parkins on Eagles put Jalen Hurts on notice. Wembanyama's MVP case, Lakers title chances | 04.02 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 2: Chillin' Bo, always love to get the invite, man. Good
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like people talk about like this is
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  Speaker 2: There's a ton of shit going on. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: This is not the slow time.
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  Speaker 2: This has been great.
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  Speaker 1: The slow time is July. Actually, it's August. July, at
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  Speaker 1: least at the beginning, you get like NBA free agency. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: We got an NCAA tournament that's actually interesting. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: is coming up. And for people who are able to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that on their shows, depending on audience and format,
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  Speaker 1: you got that. Then after that, we go into the
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  Speaker 1: play-in tournament. And then after that, we go into two
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  Speaker 1: talk about every night and we don't ever sleep. But
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  Speaker 1: even with all of that happening, the NFL still finds
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  Speaker 1: a way Oh, that's right. The draft is coming up
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  Speaker 1: for people who do that kind of thing. But first,
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  Speaker 1: did you see this story on ESPN.com about Jalen Hurts?
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  Speaker 1: That was written by Jeremy Fowler and Tim McManus, who
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  Speaker 1: is not to be confused with Tim McMahon. Now, you
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  Speaker 1: and I have talked many times about the interesting space
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  Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts inhabits where Neither of us think he's
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  Speaker 1: necessarily that good, except for those two times that he
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  Speaker 1: outplayed Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. OK, right. Like,
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  Speaker 1: was he that good in college? I don't know. Except
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  Speaker 1: for when he was SEC player of the year as
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  Speaker 1: a freshman at Heisman Trophy runner up as a senior.
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  Speaker 1: We don't always know what to do with him. But
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  Speaker 1: the story was interesting because Dominic Foxworth, I think, said
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  Speaker 1: it best on his end.
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  Speaker 2: He was like.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles are putting him on notice. That was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people close to the Eagles who did a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talking about what they don't like about him.
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  Speaker 1: And the big thing that came across to me was
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  Speaker 1: a certain rigidity in the way that he wants to
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  Speaker 1: play it as they try to add new things to
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  Speaker 1: the offense. And Jalen Hurts is like, nah, nah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't do that. We're going to keep doing the things
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  Speaker 1: that I do, changing plays. that the coaches have called
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  Speaker 1: in the huddle, which some coaches have to me, some
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks have the liberty to do, but so forth and
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  Speaker 1: so on. But it all felt to me in reading
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  Speaker 1: it like the Eagles are like, all right, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to try this one more year.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: The it's a lot of sourcing.
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  Speaker 2: They're good reporters. You first see a story like that drop.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, the journalist in me is like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: is this like Kevin Petullo sour grapes? He got fired
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  Speaker 3: and then he's like leaking some stuff. but then based
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  Speaker 3: on how some of those sources were described, they were
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  Speaker 3: still presently on the team. So I'm like, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: was well-reported and it's present and we should take it seriously.
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  Speaker 3: I came out of it feeling worse about Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: as a leader, but better about him as a player.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, and I did not expect that.
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  Speaker 3: My perception of Jalen Hurts was 10 out of 10 leader.
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  Speaker 2: Gamer.
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  Speaker 3: Jordan Brand said the right things, clutch, stoic.
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  Speaker 2: That was my perception before you read the article.
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  Speaker 3: But then when it's like doesn't have great relationships with
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  Speaker 3: many people on the team and the people that he
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  Speaker 3: did have relationships with on the team have been frayed,
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  Speaker 3: that there's like observationally not as many like post-game conversations
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  Speaker 3: with his wide receivers or his offensive linemen, being resistant to–
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  Speaker 3: motions and you know more modern NFL offensive trends that
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  Speaker 3: he not only is a Jordan brand ambassador but that
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  Speaker 3: he fancies himself a bit of a Jordan or Kobe-esque
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  Speaker 3: leader and it's like buddy I'm sorry but like you're
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  Speaker 3: not Jordan or Kobe just because you have the one
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl MVP so that level of inflexibility in his
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  Speaker 3: leadership when you need to be a quarterback who is
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  Speaker 3: the leader to all people I actually found myself downgrading
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  Speaker 3: the leadership side of it But the reason why I
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  Speaker 3: upgraded the football side a little bit, and I've known this,
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  Speaker 3: and I've said this on First Things First, and I've
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  Speaker 3: done the graphic with all of the names, and I
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  Speaker 3: know you know this. He literally has had more offensive
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  Speaker 3: coordinators and play callers than he has had years of
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  Speaker 3: college and NFL football.
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  Speaker 2: This is true.
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  Speaker 3: It is a staggering thing. because he said had interims.
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  Speaker 3: He had guys fired in the year. Some guys get
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  Speaker 3: promoted to be head coaches. Other guys get fired. Sean
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  Speaker 3: Mannion will literally be his 13th play caller in 11 years.
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  Speaker 2: That is a mind boggling thing.
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  Speaker 3: When you talk to like one of the big talking
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  Speaker 3: points in Chicago, where I'm from this off season is like,
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  Speaker 3: we can't wait to see what Caleb Williams will do
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  Speaker 3: in year two of Ben Johnson, just having like two
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  Speaker 3: years of continuity. And Jalen Hurts, there was the source
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  Speaker 3: who talked about how he craves consistency. His best year
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  Speaker 3: came when it was year two of Shane Steichen, where
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  Speaker 3: he had the back-to-back years. And it does feel reasonable
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  Speaker 3: on a human level to if every single year of football,
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  Speaker 3: you're getting new ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Thrown at you. This is my system.
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  Speaker 3: This is my way of doing things. This is my terminology.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I believe works. And you're Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, buddy, you might be gone in 10 months.
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  Speaker 2: And I have been SEC.
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  Speaker 3: Player of the year, Heisman runner up, Super Bowl MVP,
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  Speaker 3: have the best winning percentage in the history of the
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  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles. I could see how even though it is
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  Speaker 3: like the correct thing to play or listen to coach,
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  Speaker 3: I could see how you would have some rigidity to
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  Speaker 3: it and be resistant to change when you are constantly
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  Speaker 3: being inundated with change.
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  Speaker 1: So I think those all, at the very least, sound
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  Speaker 1: like fair points.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Shoot it down, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to shoot, right? But these are my
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  Speaker 1: questions about that. Because I also understand the idea of continuity, right?
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  Speaker 1: That having the same guy two years in a row
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  Speaker 1: goes a long way. I don't know enough specifically about
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  Speaker 1: the changes from year to year. For example, with the Eagles,
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  Speaker 1: going from Doug Peterson to Sirianni, yeah, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have changes there, right? But if I'm not mistaken, is
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  Speaker 1: that not like Sirianni's offense? And you call and get
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  Speaker 1: the offense coordinator in there to run your offense. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't, you know what I mean? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how much Everything changes from year to year in terms
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  Speaker 1: of terminology and all that stuff. Like, I think some
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  Speaker 1: of that is nuanced, though the actual play caller part,
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  Speaker 1: I do agree with. The question I have, though, is
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  Speaker 1: part of the reason that there's a new play caller
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  Speaker 1: every year because he's the one getting them fired.
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  Speaker 3: So we touched on that a little bit yesterday. It's
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  Speaker 3: a unique place in the football ecosystem where it's like
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  Speaker 3: we all know Jalen Hurts is kind of limited. So
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  Speaker 3: if you have an awesome offensive year with Jalen Hurts,
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  Speaker 3: the coordinator gets credit. But then if you have a
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  Speaker 3: bad year with Jalen Hurts, everyone's like, well, Howie Roseman's
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  Speaker 3: put together this awesome team. You underachieved, coordinator gets fired.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what if in part coordinator gets fired because
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  Speaker 1: your quarterback can't be coached? And so this is where
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  Speaker 1: I throw this out and where I'm not fully sure
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  Speaker 1: what to do with it in total. But if I
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  Speaker 1: am not mistaken, his first year at Alabama, Lane Kiffin,
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  Speaker 1: was running the offense and if I'm not mistaken that
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  Speaker 1: was the year that they had to send his ass
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  Speaker 1: home before the national championship game 2016 right because he
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  Speaker 1: had taken the job at Florida Atlantic okay the next
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  Speaker 1: year they brought in Brian Daybold to run that offense
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't a goat right like it wasn't cracking
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  Speaker 1: I'll just point out They put two in at halftime
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  Speaker 1: of the national championship game and suddenly that offense, which
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  Speaker 1: had quite possibly the best set of wide receivers in
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  Speaker 1: the history of college football, started looking like something, right?
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  Speaker 1: Next year, it's a new offensive coordinator and a new
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  Speaker 1: play caller again that did not seem to bother Tua
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  Speaker 1: Tungabailoa a single bit. He had a season in which
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  Speaker 1: I think that he should have won the Heisman. He
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  Speaker 1: was the Heisman. He was the presumptive Heisman winner all
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  Speaker 1: the way up until the last game of the season.
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  Speaker 1: And we just said, hey, Kyler Murray, want to give
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  Speaker 1: it to him?
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  Speaker 2: OK, cool.
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  Speaker 1: And then we went ahead and we did that. With Steichen,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a fair point. Two years of Steichen,
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  Speaker 1: second year, he gets there. Brian Johnson gets there the
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  Speaker 1: next year. Now it looks bad. Kellen Moore comes in.
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  Speaker 1: It looks okay in part because they had an offensive
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  Speaker 1: line that was moving furniture and a running back that
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  Speaker 1: ran for 2,000 yards. Is that what's going to be
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  Speaker 1: required to make it work for your quarterback? Not sure
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  Speaker 1: I blame that on changes in play calling. Where I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. Is the idea that I came away
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  Speaker 1: with a poor impression of him as a leader. And
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  Speaker 1: I think to me, you can't lead like doing this
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  Speaker 1: like other people. Like there was a portion in the
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  Speaker 1: article where they talked about Sirianni saying that. Jalen Hurd's
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  Speaker 1: leadership was in line with Michael Jordan's. Only Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 1: could act like that and pass it off as leadership
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  Speaker 1: because he's Michael fucking Jordan. Nicole Lynn, his agent, in
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  Speaker 1: the same paragraph in the story, she is cited as
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  Speaker 1: saying that he has the work ethic Kobe Bryant. Here's
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  Speaker 1: why I push back on that. I watch Kobe. Add
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  Speaker 1: to his game every single year. Kobe didn't have that
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  Speaker 1: post game when he first got into the league. That
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  Speaker 1: footwork got better. All these things that Kobe picked up
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  Speaker 1: and added once it hadn't been good enough another way.
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  Speaker 1: What this story is telling me is that they are
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  Speaker 1: asking Jalen Hurts to get better.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We're asking you to do the things that are hard
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  Speaker 1: for you. And he's like, nope, I'm going to do
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  Speaker 1: the thing that people do in high school now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to stand in the shotgun where I can see
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  Speaker 1: everything that's going on. They specifically cited he doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: to turn his back on the defense. And for all
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  Speaker 1: of our lives, until the spread got to be so prevalent,
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  Speaker 1: the separation of men and boys at quarterback, is your
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  Speaker 1: confidence and willingness to turn your back to the defense,
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  Speaker 1: run some play action, turn around and know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, I believe after hearing people ask you to
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  Speaker 1: do this would be like, damn, I guess I need
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  Speaker 1: to go out there and add this piece to my game.
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  Speaker 1: And he has not. And apparently the Eagles are sick
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  Speaker 1: of that shit.
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  Speaker 3: And the proof there is actually just straight up in
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  Speaker 3: the data. Like, Jalen Hurts has serious limitations as a passer.
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  Speaker 3: You and I have talked about that multiple times on
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  Speaker 3: this podcast and sitting on Nick's couch watching football.
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  Speaker 2: You have A.J. Brown. Why can't you throw intermediate routes?
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  Speaker 2: That's weird.
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  Speaker 3: He's maybe the best intermediate middle-of-the-field receiver in football. He
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  Speaker 3: was made in a lab to do that stuff over
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  Speaker 3: the middle, and that's not consistent. He sometimes feels like
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  Speaker 3: he's not willing to just grip it and rip it.
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  Speaker 3: doesn't fully trust what he's seeing. That, I think, could
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  Speaker 3: be tied somewhat to mastery of an offense and consistency,
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  Speaker 3: but also anticipatory throwing.
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  Speaker 2: The best of the best can do that.
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  Speaker 3: This is a baseball analogy or comparison, but I think
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  Speaker 3: you'll understand the point.
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  Speaker 2: I covered those Cubs teams.
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  Speaker 3: Javi Baez, wildly talented player, wildly flawed player. Joe Maddon,
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  Speaker 3: the Cubs manager, used to say, If Javi Baez could
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  Speaker 3: learn to lay off the slider away that looked like
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  Speaker 3: it was in the zone, but would be a ball
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  Speaker 3: every single time.
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  Speaker 2: So if he could lay off that.
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  Speaker 3: Pitch, he would be Manny Ramirez because like his ability
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  Speaker 3: to hit for power when the ball was in the
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  Speaker 3: zone was unbelievable, but he just couldn't lay off that pitch.
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  Speaker 2: So he was frustrated. He would make the same mistake,
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  Speaker 2: same mistake, same mistake, same mistake. And Javi never wanted
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  Speaker 2: to work on it. And he's a flawed player.
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  Speaker 3: But Javi Baez has also made over $ 200 million playing baseball.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: He's got one of the best gloves, some of the
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  Speaker 3: best hands, some great raw power. He's a good enough
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  Speaker 3: athlete to be a shortstop, a second baseman, now a
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  Speaker 3: center fielder.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: Some people are just not perfect players, and they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to be Kobe and add the footwork, and they're
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  Speaker 3: not going to change because what they've done has gotten
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  Speaker 3: them to this incredible level.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts being Jalen Hurts has him a Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: MVP and two hundred and fifty million dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, but this is where I'd say there's a difference.
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  Speaker 1: Javi Baez is a better baseball player than Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: is a football player.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: And I would ask this question. All these places that
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is gone. is Jalen Hurts the SEC player.
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  Speaker 2: Of the year?
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  Speaker 1: And is Jalen, if he is not at Alabama, is
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts the Heisman Trophy runner-up? If he is not Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: at which the two previous guys who were there were
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  Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner and Heisman Trophy winner.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And Philly, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say he has, my point I made when
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  Speaker 1: he came out of college was, I've seen him not
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  Speaker 1: be good enough passing for two professional teams already.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Alabama and Oklahoma. I've already seen it, but what do
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  Speaker 1: you know? It looked basically exactly the same in the
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  Speaker 1: NFL as it had in college. I, I wonder though,
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  Speaker 1: if outside of the fact that the Eagles are saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: we about to do some motion and we about to
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  Speaker 1: do some play action and he going to get on
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  Speaker 1: and get gone.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I also came away from that feeling more convinced that
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to trade AJ Brown because I, as
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  Speaker 1: I have said from the beginning, Trading AJ Brown would
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  Speaker 1: be a loser move and the Eagles do not strike
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  Speaker 1: me as being losers, right?
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: If you trade AJ Brown, you are worse immediately. And
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  Speaker 3: I agree that the Eagles seem to be in a
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  Speaker 3: win now mode and they are a great organization.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you put that toothpaste back in
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  Speaker 2: the tube though.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not trading somebody for being right.
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  Speaker 2: And that's, and that's fair.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got a complicated cap situation with him and
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  Speaker 3: his contract, and you can always extend him, and there
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  Speaker 3: are ways to change it going forward if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to choose A.J. Brown in the divorce. But are you
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  Speaker 3: really about to go through 17 more games with A.J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown and Jalen Hurts?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, they have clearly already put Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 1: on the clock. And I don't know if A.J. Brown
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  Speaker 1: is or isn't going to be the issue. Look, the
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  Speaker 1: story also got to a point that some of us
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  Speaker 1: knew and hadn't really talked about, which is they went
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  Speaker 1: and got Brandon Graham's old ass off the radio and
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  Speaker 1: brought him back on the team just to have a
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  Speaker 1: conduit between Jalen Hurts and the rest of the team
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  Speaker 1: because he can't. He can't get it right with them.
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  Speaker 1: This is, I've never seen anything like this before. Because again,
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  Speaker 1: it gets back to what you said a little earlier though.
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  Speaker 1: It has gotten him to Super Bowl MVP, right? It
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  Speaker 1: has gotten him to play in two Super Bowls. It's
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  Speaker 1: gotten him to play in two national championship games. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not because of him that these things have happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he doesn't believe that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know. And how do you fix that?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you can. Like, you know people of.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, he has a lot of talent, like,
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  Speaker 3: relative to the population.
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  Speaker 2: And so he's like, I'm the man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Of course he thinks he's the man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's friends with Michael Jordan. He wears Jordan brand on
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  Speaker 2: his chest. He has a Super Bowl trophy.
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  Speaker 3: He does it in the toughest sports city in America,
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  Speaker 3: and they largely back him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, I won over Philadelphia sports fans and bested
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  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes in a Super Bowl and Michael Jordan reinforces
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  Speaker 3: positively my leadership style.
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  Speaker 2: Who does not care about Jeremy Fowler?
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  Speaker 1: Or but does he care about the dozens of people
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  Speaker 1: who talk to Jeremy Fowler.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: Okay like listen and I again I was surprised that
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I a very Philly fans are not huge fans of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: my work like they remind me of it all the
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: time and the terrific first things first videos I was
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: surprised at my own take with like all I was
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: saying I'm like on a human level he's like well
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I got 12 sources to tell me I'm doing it
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: wrong yeah And then I imagine he looks at his
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: phone and he looks at a text from Michael Jordan
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that's just like, keep it up. And it's got to
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: be a mindfuck for him to be like, why is
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing not working when all we do is win?
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Well, there's the other part, too. I would be very
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: curious to know what his dad thinks of all of this.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And I say that for people who don't know, his
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: dad is a coach. If I'm not mistaken, his dad
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was his coach. And the flip side of the coach's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: son thing is he already got a coach. Right.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And so if dad is saying, no, you OK, I
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: would think that my dad would be like, all right, son,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: let's go out here and let's work on some of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: this stuff right here.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what his dad is saying, but I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: would be very curious to know how that goes. Like, look,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson was his offensive coordinator in Philadelphia that one year.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: um brian johnson they from they from the same part
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: of around houston right that goose creek over there baytown
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: channel view all of that they're from the same place
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: i don't know if brian played for jaylen's father but
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they're they're i guarantee you that brian johnson and coach
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: hurts know each other and have known each other for
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a very long time just because of the proximity of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that area that dude got fired Right. Like that dude
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: got canned behind this. So I wish I had. And
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: by the way, then that guy goes and works with
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels when Jaden Daniels thing starts taking off. So
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know where I don't know where exactly this goes.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know how it goes. But the Eagles are
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: clearly saying now it's on you. And the person who
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: has to feel the best about that is Nick Sirianni,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: because we're always ready to fire him. At least I am.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I am too.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: And listen, you would like to think that if you
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: were Nick Sirianni and you were an offensive coach, he
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: wouldn't need to have more than one offensive coordinator a year.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, buddy, why don't you just call the plays?
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Why don't you just be the thing that is consistent
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: for Jalen Hurts?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: But evidently that hasn't happened.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Listen, I think that there is a chance that this
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: ends with like Jalen Hurts being like, oh, they were right.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: When in like two years, he's the quarterback of the Titans.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: When we finally do see Jalen Hurts without a super
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: team around him and everyone's like, oh.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he's a below average passer. We've known
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: that for forever.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Did you get it?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You didn't agree with that. You just quoted win percentage
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to all of us.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Look, you know what that thing is with him now
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: wanting to run the kind of stuff that they want
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: to do because that's not what he does. I don't
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: know how much this comes up in your world, but
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in my world and people I'm around, people make a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: very good point that you can tell a lot about
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: somebody's lifestyle by eating chicken with them, but specifically chicken
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that got a bone. What that bone looked like at
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the end will tell you a great deal about how
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it is that a person has lived, right? Them people
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that be shaving them things like bald all the way smooth, hey, man,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they ain't never had the luxury of just being like, cool,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: let me go get the next piece of chicken right fast.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: They have not had it like that. Jalen Hurts is
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: leaving that chicken on the bone. He has had the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: option and ability to to not have to go down
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: to the gristle. He ain't never really had to do that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You ain't got to do that at Alabama. You ain't
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: got to do that at Oklahoma. And he has not
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: had to do that with the Eagles. And the Eagles
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: are like, we are tired of wasting money on chicken.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Like in the last year, there's like four buckets that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: you haven't eaten. And they just right there on the bone.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: If you'll just turn around a little bit and let
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: us do some back and forth stuff to make it better.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: And they telling him, hey, man, eat the chicken, dog.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: All of it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Don't touch that one. Finish this one.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That analogy hurts because I've been told that I am
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a privileged chicken eater.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Just so you know, I was realizing this as I
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: was eating chicken last night or a couple nights ago
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: with that measure of privilege.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that has been pointed out to me on more
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: than one occasion that I'm a... Where else in my
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: life are you soft, Parkins? Because you're eating that chicken
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: like you have been silver spoon fed.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's guilty. That is guilty as charges. You
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: see me, sir. You see me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: We've both been there. Oh, yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. But I mean, like, I'm not going to
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: change now. 39 years old. I'm going to eat my
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: chicken how I like to eat my chicken.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jalen Hurts. That's what I'm saying. That's what he's saying.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: That's why I can relate to him. That's why all
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of a sudden I found myself sympathizing.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: But I think part of what's amazing to me about
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it is that he's gotten this far while being able
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to be this rigid because, as we said, he's not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: really that good, right? Like normally the guys that you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: hear acting like this, and that sounds more loaded than
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I intended, but carrying themselves in this fashion, comporting themselves
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: as such, They're normally a little better than this, right? Like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I don't, it's never, sorry, nothing like it. Nothing like it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: It is, yeah, it's delusional arrogance, which we've seen from athletes,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: but then you can like look through it, a very
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: specific prism of Oklahoma, Alabama, win percentage, Philly, Philly sports fans,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: two Super Bowls, besting the home, Super Bowl MVP, Jordan brand,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: and be like, yeah, I'd probably, I'd probably be pretty
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: arrogant too.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, I would have thought after he
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: got parked in the middle of the national championship game
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and had to ride to Oak to hold next year.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I would have thought that that would have been the, oh, okay.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Apparently not.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Apparently not.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: And it's a, like, what do you think that's going
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: to look like this year?
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Like, do you think he has it?
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Like, obviously he's not half as talented as Aaron Rodgers.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But Aaron Rodgers had some rigidity to him at the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: end with Mike McCarthy. And it was literally the same stuff.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Did not like motions and was kind of hesitant to that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: And Matt LaFleur was.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, just try it.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: You're really smart. You're really talented. Just try it my way.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: And then he ripped off two MVPs. So even the
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: most talented ever can still get stuck in their ways
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and then be exposed to new ideas and old.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Dog, new tricks sort of thing. Does Jalen Hurts have
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: it in him to if you put him in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: 10 out of 10 modern offense? What would he look
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: like if he was coached by Sean McVay? What would
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: he look like if he was coached by Kyle Shanahan?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I still tend to think that there are limitations there
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: with his throwing, but I'm open to the possibility that
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: You know what? I think the part that makes this
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: interesting now that I think about it, where it kind
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of washes over me, is that he's all.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I go through this to a degree with certain things,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like when I think about with music, right? When I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: was younger, I had an old soul. When you're young,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: it's called an old soul. When you're middle-aged, you just
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: seem old.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: He was an old soul, right? Like we thought of
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: him as being, in every way, by the way, we
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: have just thought of him as being a bit precocious.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: He's a little young to be that regent, don't you think?
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's the part that makes it so interesting is, again,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: we're not talking about Aaron Rodgers at 36 or 37
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: being like, no, that's not the way that I do things.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: We're talking about somebody at an age where you should
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: be as malleable as one could ever expect.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: You to be.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And you're like, nah, nah. In a league, by the way,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: where most people understand that once you get to that place,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the things that he's being asked to do are the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: things that you have to learn to do. And he's like, nah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I don't do that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: And the things that like objectively work.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, and it said in the article, he
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: understands that pre-snap motions help quarterbacks. They don't do it
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: because they want to like get the receiver extra cardio.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: They do it to like, tip the quarterback's hand as
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: to what the defense is doing and give him more
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: pre-snap information so that you are then able to like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: you don't have to be looking at the defense the
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: whole time to process it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: You should know it ahead of time. You can turn
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: your back to the defense, the whole thing.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: And yeah, Rogers, Rogers was like the anti QB wins guy.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Cause everyone's like, man, it feels like you should have
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: won more, but you're so clearly good. What's wrong with
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the rest of everyone else? Jalen hurts is the poster
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: child for the quarterback wins argument. It's like, Well, he's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: good because he wins.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They win because of him.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: And people people struggle with like separating those ideas. I'm
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: going to throw this out here right quick, too, in
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: terms of talking about him as being precocious. I will
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: say this for the Eagles, though. Y'all better be careful.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Like something happened. Y'all decide that y'all are going to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: y'all are going to send Jalen Hurts out there. Shit,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a protest outside that facility. It's
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: going to look like the Essence Fest with Lil Jon
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: do the DJ set. Boy, sister's going to be out
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: there ready to burn that bitch down. Y'all there, watch out.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know where he is. Very popular. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: know who his room is. Some of Philadelphia got it,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: but shit, they're going to be out there dressed in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: all mace like a Frankie Beverly concert.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: NFL, not for long, but in a certain segment of Philadelphia,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: they want it forever.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Forever.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Forever. Forever. That'll be him. But coming up next, change
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back with Danny Parkins, FS1, First Things First.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big Victor guy. Like, I'm totally there.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I haven't bothered to ask Nick if he's come around
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: on this one. It typically takes him a while. Like,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I give Nick credit on that. Nick going to stay
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in the pocket until he absolutely cannot get rid of
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the ball, right? Like, he'll hold out as long as possible.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But Victor is, there wasn't no need to overthink this one.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: It is exactly what it is. And now this man
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: is trying to talk himself into winning the MVP playing
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: fewer than 30 minutes a game.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I think this is one of the weird times where
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: best player in the world and MVP might not totally align. Like,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: my eyes can tell me that, yeah, he's the best
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: player in the world. But I've never, ever, ever, ever
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: heard or seen or even read about other than that
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Bob Knight quote about Michael Jordan, like, Best player in
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: the world who has never even played in a playoff game.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: And when Bob Knight said that after the Team USA
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: practices about Michael Jordan, that wasn't like a majority opinion.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: It was just what Bob Knight said about him. So
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: he's clearly the best defensive player in the league by
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: a mile. And he's arguably the best defensive player I've
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: ever seen play the sport.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: He's certainly the most singular.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: And last night, Bo, he had 41 and 18 in
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: 28 minutes. Like, what the fuck am I supposed to
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: do with 41 and 18 in 28 minutes?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Like, that is just, it's incomprehensible.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Now, is that a.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Reason that he should be MVP of the league when
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Shea is doing exactly what he did last year? 32-6
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: on insane 55% efficiency, an all-time guard scoring season for
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: the team with the best record in the league in
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the toughest conference with more wins than the Spurs, albeit
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: a bad head-to-head record with the Spurs, when his second-best player,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Jalen Williams, who was an all-star, who was all-NBA defense,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: who scored 40 in a finals game, has missed two-thirds
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: of the games? Like, I think it's totally reasonable to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: split the baby and say Shea would get my MVP
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: vote and Victor Wembanyan was the best player in the world.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I just want to remind you guys that there's a
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: guy who's leading the league in rebounds and assists. I, yeah, no,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And averaging a triple bubble.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I'm scoring 27 points a game.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's also incredible. Like this, this is a tough
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: MVP year. Like, But where is.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I'm pulling it up right now. I just want to
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: have it exactly accurate.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: And this is why I said I would have given
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: it to Shea last year. Now, it's closer this year.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: But, like, okay, so Jokic's numbers are ridiculous.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: We've never seen someone lead the league in points– or,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: excuse me, in rebounds and assists. He is averaging a
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: triple-double again, which at one point got Russell Westbrook. The
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: MVP is the sixth seed. And now we've become bored
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: with it by Joker.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But should it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Matter that Shea's team has 11 more wins than him?
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Because last year he had 18 more wins than Joker.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: No, so I mean, I think that Shea is probably
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the most reasonable choice for MVP. Shea is weird because
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: everything that Shea has done does not simply imply a
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: really good player. It implies one of the greatest basketball
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: players of all time. And there has literally not been
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: one time in my life that I have watched him
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and thought, holy shit, that's one of the best basketball
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: players of all time. Um, but the results absolutely indicate
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: this about him. But what you just said is very important.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma city is still as good as they were last
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: year without a guy that can give you 35 in
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the playoffs.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Um, like once you get.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: 40, 40, Jalen Williams gave you, he went, he had three,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: he had a three game stretch games, three, four, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: five of the finals last year, I believe where he
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: was like 25, 28, 40. It's like, okay, that guy
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: fucking matters. Right.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: And once you get past Chet, like, who exactly are
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: we talking about on this roster? He's that guy. Jokic
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: is that guy. Like, all of this, it's an amazing
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: time right now at the top of the league. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: think that is, in terms of, like, who the top
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: players are, you know, not as many Americans as we
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: would probably like because the top four guys that we're
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: talking about are these three guys and Luka Doncic.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Luka just had a 600-point month.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: 13 straight games of 30-plus.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I think three straight games of 40-plus, like, current active
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: streak as you and I are recording this.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Crazy efficiency. Like, an awesome win-loss record.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: On a Lakers team that, again, for a month, was
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: top 10 in points per game allowed and number one
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: three-point defense allowed.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Right. I didn't see that coming. I did not see
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that coming.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: And this season, he has been... not in the same
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: class as these other guys. And that's, and that's not
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: about him. That is about the class of what the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: top has been. Also think that it's a little skewed,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the Victor numbers thing, because of the numbers restriction that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they had earlier in the year, you know, when he was,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I forget which injury it was like during the play in,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: when he was coming off the bench and doing stuff
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like that. And I think there are other years in
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: which he would have won this, or perhaps if he
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: were older or perhaps, if the Spurs had traded to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: get him. And what I mean by that is Steve
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Nash won that first MVP that led to the second
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: MVP because they were so much better getting him than
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: they were the year before. I don't even know if
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: he was the best. I think Amari Stoudemire, congratulations to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: him on the Hall of Fame, was probably the better
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: player than Nash was. But Nash was like the swing voter, right?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Nash's presence was the thing that elevated that team that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: had been bad into being very good. Victor, it's a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: narrative sort of MVP. Russell Westbrook won a narrative MVP
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that year. He won 47 games in a year where
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: they lost Kevin Durant and we thought that they would
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: be terrible. Victor's case is a narrative case. Look at
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: what I've changed just by being Victor Wimbanyama. Look at
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: these other dudes. You know their names? I know you don't.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It don't matter if they good. You don't know who
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: they are. You know who I am. You see I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: making your favorite player scared to shoot like he's playing
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: against his big brother. All of this stuff. If he
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: had just showed up on the Spurs and put in
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the same performance, the way MVP voting works, I bet
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: he would have been more likely to get it.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love that he made his case. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: loved it. Like, talk your shit, man. And, you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: he said, I think.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: It was to Van Pelt last night, about, like, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I want to be an all-time great, I'm paraphrasing, and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: so I'm not going to let any of these opportunities come.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: And he's like, he seems to have an understanding that, like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: finishing second in MVP is not the type of thing
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: we talk about when you go into the Hall of Fame.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, but Or in goat arguments.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: But he's 22. This is how it works in this league.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: He doesn't care. I know.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Well, like, I.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: To this idea, right, I think we have to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: open to the possibility that the rules just do not
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: apply to him.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, Michael Jordan had to, like, lose to the
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Celtics and the Pistons before he could ultimately, you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: slay the dragon. And you got to crawl, then walk,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: then run. Maybe not when you are autographing your All-Star
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Game jersey for Joker and he asks you to add
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: a picture of an alien to it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: That video, it was like an eight-second clip. I'm like,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: that is... Joker's the alien. And he's like in awe
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Like, Giannis' kid is in awe of him because it's...
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: You watch a full game of the Spurs... and you
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: will see someone dribble towards the lane and then retreat.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, oh, oh, my bad. I didn't even
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: see you there, big dog.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: It's the damn, like, not like try to bite a foul,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: not like try to go around.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: They, like, put it in reverse. That doesn't happen in
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the NBA.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: So it is a singular thing, and it's wild, and
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I don't really know, like, Is he going to have
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: a 15-year prime?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Is his body going to hold up? I don't know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: But if it is, he legitimately could win 15 Defensive
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Player of the Year awards and 10 titles.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think the playoffs are going to be
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: interesting because I think the argument against them, also against
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the Pistons, is worth noting. The argument against them is
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: not simply that you have to go to the playoffs
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to win in the playoffs, right? Like, yeah, I mean, okay,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that sounds ridiculous, but you understand what I mean, right? Like,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: you're not just going to get there.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: The way in the first run.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Experience. There's something to it. Right.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: But I think that we need to be a little
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: clearer when we talk about it, about why the experience
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: matters and the experience matters because playoff basketball is not
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the same as regular season basketball. Like your ability to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: run through a regular season is, is correlated to your
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: ability to win in the postseason, but not directly. It's
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: not really the same game when you start playing against
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the same teams over and over again. And they're tricks
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that guys pick up and they learn as it goes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: That's the reason why it's taken everybody a little bit
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: more time to make the climb because you're getting acclimated
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: to a new type of basketball. And then by the
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: time you do, your ass is home and you don't
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: get to do it again for another year, right?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Well, and sorry if I'm cutting you off here, but like,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: To me, I think that way more applies to the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Pistons than the Spurs.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Because, like, I have seen– I've been calling the Pistons
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the try-hard Pistons.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: But, like, we see teams like this almost every year. Like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: my Bulls under Thibodeau were the try-hard Bulls. The Raptors,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the Hawks. Like, we have seen, like, teams that basically
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: treat the regular season like the postseason. Yes. because of
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: a defensive mentality, because of youth, because of an insane coach, like.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Whatever the reason.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: And then when everybody else ratchets up the intensity to
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: playoff level, their edge goes.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Away because now everyone is playing like that. And so, like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: to me, you saw it in, like, the All-Star game.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: Like, Jalen Duren was, like, going insane and running all
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: over the place, and they're playing deep. They're fouling in
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: the All-Star game. It's like, oh, like, the Pistons just
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: are embracing Detroit basketball and JB Bickerstaff, and they're playing
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: their ass off all the time. I give the Pistons
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: basically no chance.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: The Spurs, what if.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Victor Wimpinyama just plays 35 minutes a game in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: playoffs and they take the minutes restriction away? And so
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it's like, I'm able to get you 41 and 18
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: in 28 minutes. Now I'm going to start getting you
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: 45 and 20. I think that there's just a clear
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: other level of that the Spurs might be able to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: get to, and I have no idea what they're going
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: to do on that front in the playoffs. There's another
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: gear for them that I don't think exists for the Pistons.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am curious to see also how the defenses
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: against Victor change, like what strategically teams are going to
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: cook up. And I am, all right, so right now
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: in the West, as we record this, the top six
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: teams are, The Thunder, the Spurs, the Lakers, the Nuggets,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the Rockets, and the Timberwolves. When I looked at it yesterday,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the Rockets were in six and the Timberwolves were at five.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a half game separating each other right now. Right.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: The reason I point that out and find it to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: be important is I think most of us agree. The
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Rockets and the Lakers do not have a chance at
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: winning the West. I know who does not agree with
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: that about the Lakers, but I don't think that the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Rockets and the Lakers. So the Rockets and the Lakers
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: get to play against each other. To me, that's great
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: news for San Antonio as they get to then go
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: play against a team that I don't think has a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: chance at winning. Oklahoma City, if it turned out, Oklahoma
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: City could have a chance if it turned out that
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the Rockets went down to six. It's Oklahoma City playing
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the winner of Denver and Minnesota. This time, I would
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: think that Denver would get that. If we get the Thunder,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the Spurs, Laker Rocket, whichever one, Lakers I think would
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: probably be the team that I would pick in that series,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and the Nuggets as the semifinals in the West, whoo,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: that's going to be fun.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's always team no sleep, but
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: that is appointment viewing.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in the East, the Celtics have just decided, okay,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: we're here now. Yeah, yeah, don't ask us how Jason
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Tatum got back so fast. Shit, I don't know either, man.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Anyway, they scored 53 points in the first
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: quarter against Miami.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, the.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Celtics are, they're deep. They shoot an insane number of threes.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I don't really like watching them because of how many
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: threes they shoot. It's a little offensive, but they are really,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: really good. And they definitely are probably the only team, realistically,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: that you can pick to come out of the East.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I know we disagreed, and I don't want to talk
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: too much about it because it's a take that's not
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: aging very well. But I actually liked the Harden trade,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: and I was pretty intrigued. I was pretty intrigued by
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: an Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell top four.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And I still think that could end up being our
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Eastern Conference final. But the Celtics are clearly the best
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: team in the East. The only thing I will say
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: about the Lakers, because I have been a huge skeptic
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: of them, the team that Luka carried to the finals
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: a couple of years ago for the Mavericks.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Was the supporting cast.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: They had Lively and Washington and Gafford.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But at least Kyrie can be like...
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, Austin Reeves and LeBron James are pretty good offensively.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Offensive players. Yeah. I don't know.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Is this supporting cast much worse? I think you could
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: argue certainly that the Spurs and Thunder are much better
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: at the top than that Mavericks team had to go through.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: No question.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: But is this Lakers supporting cast much worse than that
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Mavericks team?
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I think that for them to win,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: it requires literally depending on DeAndre Ayton. And I've seen
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: how that goes. Yeah. That's the same thing with the Rockets.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: The Rockets supporting cast isn't bad, but where it's flawed,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: it's fatal.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And listen, the, the Lakers are.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Right now getting a pretty incredible amount of like effort
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: and production, but not necessarily statistical, but just like, like
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Deandre Ayton is playing hard and Marcus.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Smart is healthy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know that both of those things are going
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to survive two months of playoff basketball.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that they are a top 10 defensive
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: team in the league like they have been for this
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: stretch of time.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no chance you can keep them. Not with your
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: three best players being those guys.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Right. So I don't believe that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But again, Luka is on a level right now where
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: he can win you some games.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He can win you some games on the offensive
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: side of the floor.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Well, he's also doing the thing that I think is
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: in this day and age becoming a very underrated skill.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: It is one of the things that held me up
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in acknowledging some of the greatness of Steph Curry, which
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: is in my world. Great players get to the free
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: throw line.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I think Luka is number one in free throw attempts
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: per game and Shea is number two.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: At 10 a game, right? Think about how crazy this is.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Part of this is because Luka can take all the shots,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: but he shoots 11 threes a game in 10 free throws.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: A game, right?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: The best shot in basketball is a free throw.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: That is the easiest.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: No defense.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You get to stand there. It's a shot you get
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to practice. It's the only shot that you really get
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to practice all the time under basically the same conditions.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: He's shooting 10 of those a game and he's shooting four.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: 11 threes and making four of them. Now, how are
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the refs going to whistle him? And in the playoffs,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: will that childish man be able to hold his shit
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: together when he's not getting the calls that he wants
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and or expects?
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw it with Shea a little bit last year.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Like Shea didn't get the exact, like the same number
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: of free throw attempts per game in the playoffs, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: they are, they are so good.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: And so deep, they were able to eat it out.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And listen, as a, as a, I have picked the
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Thunder now three years in a row.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Like, I think that they are the best team.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Part of it is a bias of doing reporting around
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Sam Presti for the book Pipeline to the Pros. Like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: what I love about the Thunder is they don't put
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: a single player who's bad at defense. Every single player
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: who gets minutes for them is a two-way basketball player.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Or two-way is not the right way to say it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I see what you mean. Like, if you
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: can't guard, you can't play here.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Right. Every guy. Austin Reeves is not a Thunder guy.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Like they go out and get Hartenstein. They go out
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and get Caruso.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: They go out like their specialists tend to be more
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: defensive oriented than offensive oriented. And then their players on
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: offense are also really good and they're crazy deep. So
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: there's not a single defensive liability on their roster. So
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I just love how the team is constructed. I think
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: it's great. But I was surprised that Denver took them
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: to seventh.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And that the Pacers, obviously, that was shocking, took him
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to seven.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: So, like, there is a possibility that some of what
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: they do gets neutralized in the playoffs as it gets
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: officiated differently and everyone else's defensive intensity ratchets up. But
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I do still think the Thunder are the clear best
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: team in the sport by a comfortable margin.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: And I just want to point out, and I think
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: they'll have a boost for being champions because I think
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: being champions matters. But they were Tyrese Halliburton Achilles away
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: from potentially losing a game seven at home. And remember,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Denver pushed them all the way to the game seven, too.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what I said.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I thought they were going to waltz through last year
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: and they didn't. So I have to be open to
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the possibility. that I am just wrong about that. Cause
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I was last year. They just ultimately held the trophy up,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: but like Chet is better. Chet is better. And they
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: still are the best team in the league. As I
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: mentioned earlier with getting basically nothing from Jalen Williams this year,
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: like they're going to be healthy going into the playoffs.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: They are battle-tested they're, And Chet Holmgren is significantly better
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: this year than he was last year.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to learn a lot about the regions of
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: the digital era because poor Adam Silver, you've got a
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: potential 10-year rivalry with maybe your two worst markets in
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the whole league. It's going to suck for these NBA
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: guys who are going to spend the next 10 years
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: flying from San Antonio to Dallas and then Dallas to
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma City.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: That is exactly right. They're going to have to add
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: some direct flights.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, man. If they add direct flights
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: from Oklahoma City to San Antonio, they will just be
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: for two weeks.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Brian Windhorse is going to start booking that in April. Oh,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: my God, man.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: That's where they are. But ladies and gentlemen, that is
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Danny Parkins. Check him out on First Things First, FS1,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: 5 o'clock Eastern. And do you get to revel in
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the Emmy nomination?
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm a listen, I get to revel in
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: it and that I get to work with all these people.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: They are amazing in front of the camera and especially behind.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: But I can tell you that the congratulations have been
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: going to the people who have been there a lot
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  Speaker 3: longer than me.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I understand this. I just want to let you guys
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: know this in advance. And this is what's going to
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: stink for those guys. This became a very big controversy
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: very recently, although they may have changed the rule.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: But at least it used to be back in the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: day that the host didn't get a trophy.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, remember ESPN got in trouble because they were cooking
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: up the fake trophies for people. Oh, yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And what they were doing was they were putting, if
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, they were putting on the list of producers.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: It would be like Shmurp Murp Street or whatever. Like,
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  Speaker 1: and so the people would get trophies and then they
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: got caught. So I don't know if you're going to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be able to get you one of these. You know
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I know I won't be able to get one of these,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: but like if Nick doesn't get him one, if he wins-
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: He will be low-key devastated, but it's– yeah, man, that
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: was a very cool thing. You know you followed the
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: journey of the show. They are– it's a great show
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: that I get to be a very small part of,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: and that's not like fake humility.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I would tell you if I thought that I was the.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Reason for it because the joke was made like, oh, Parkins,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you get added to the show and we finally get nominated.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: They've deserved it for a while. It's an incredible show.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I've put a show over the top before.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I've been in a position
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to do that. Just go ahead and let them tell you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: You ain't got to correct them. You know what I'm saying?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: That's what it is. You ain't got to say it,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: but you ain't got to correct them.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: That's right. And Nick knows. That's what really matters. As
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: long as Nick knows the real difference. That's enough for me.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: There it is, man. Appreciate you, brother.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Thanks, man. Talk to you soon.
• 52:21
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