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"HE'S A MONSTER:" HIDDEN SIDE OF PALMETTO CHILD-PORN PASTOR SUSPECT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: He's a monster, A claim of a hidden side emerging
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  Speaker 2: of a Palmetto child porn pastor suspect. You heard me right,
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  Speaker 2: a Palmetto pastor accused of child porn and more a
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you for being with.
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  Speaker 3: Us, Florida detective So receive a tip that Pastor Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: Elwing used cryptocurrency to buy child sexual abuse material on
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  Speaker 3: the dark web.
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  Speaker 2: Those are words you don't want in the same sentence together,
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  Speaker 2: A so called Christian pastor and child porn all in
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  Speaker 2: the same sentence. A former Palmetto emphasis on former pastor
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  Speaker 2: arrested for child pornography is now facing over a dozen
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  Speaker 2: new charges stemming from the child porn Who is this
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  Speaker 2: guy listen.
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  Speaker 4: Preaching the gospel in several areas of Florida with his
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  Speaker 4: wife and four children, And so Pastor Jonathan Elwing is
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  Speaker 4: the picture of what a conservative Christian leader looks like.
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  Speaker 4: So when the Manatee County Sheriff's Office gets a tip
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  Speaker 4: from cryptocurrency company Coinbase that the forty three year old
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  Speaker 4: senior pastor of Palm View Baptist Church may have used
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  Speaker 4: cryptocurrency to buy child pornography. Investigators know you can't judge
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  Speaker 4: a book by its cover, but Ewing has a pretty
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  Speaker 4: good cover?
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  Speaker 1: Is he? Is he a quote? Pretty good cover?
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  Speaker 5: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: I could talk about this Palmetto pastor all day long.
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  Speaker 2: TI line blue in the face. But let's take a
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  Speaker 2: listen from the horse's mouth. And this became from the
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  Speaker 2: Palm View First Baptist Church YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 6: Is if you spend all your time searching for the
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  Speaker 6: truth and you haven't found it, and you're tired of
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  Speaker 6: trying to live a life that is pleasing to God
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  Speaker 6: because you realize that you can't do it, and He says,
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  Speaker 6: I want you to come to me. And when a
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  Speaker 6: person sincerely comes to Jesus Christ admitting that they need
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  Speaker 6: to be saved from their sin, then they are aware
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  Speaker 6: that they can no longer. They could never have saved themselves.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a biblical scholar, although I try my best
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  Speaker 2: and fail spectacularly.
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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in there.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be something about you know what's the
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  Speaker 2: worst A hypocrite.
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  Speaker 1: A hypocrite.
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  Speaker 2: Remember how Christ would make a point of referring to
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  Speaker 2: the scribes and the pharisees and how.
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  Speaker 1: Hate was in their hearts.
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  Speaker 2: Just think about that for just one moment, and yet
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  Speaker 2: he's taking he This guy, Jonathan Edward Elwing, seems to
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  Speaker 2: be taking Christ towards and totally like twisting them around
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  Speaker 2: because we know he's charged not only with child pornography
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  Speaker 2: but actually attacking children. Jordan Littwiller joining US investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: and anchor WWSB.
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  Speaker 1: That's ABC seven.
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  Speaker 2: He's also at my Soncoast dot com. Jordan, tell me
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  Speaker 2: about the charges on this pastor.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, So, forty three year old Jonathan Elwing is facing
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  Speaker 7: eighteen separate charges two different cases. In the first case,
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  Speaker 7: he's facing four charges of possessing child pornography, and then
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  Speaker 7: in the separate case, he's facing six additional counts of
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  Speaker 7: possessing child pornography, as well as six counts of using
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  Speaker 7: a child to engage in sex, one count of capital
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  Speaker 7: sexual battery by somewhat above the age of eighteen committed
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  Speaker 7: against somebody under the age of twelve, and also one
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  Speaker 7: count of leud Elasivius molestation. He was initially facing two
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  Speaker 7: counts of that capital sexual battery, but those charges have
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  Speaker 7: since change, dropping one of those charges and changing it
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  Speaker 7: into that molestation charge in Jordan.
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  Speaker 1: He got me drink from the fire hydrant. Again.
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  Speaker 2: You've just rattled all that off before I could even
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  Speaker 2: take it in. Okay, Hold on, what kind of a
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  Speaker 2: pastor is this guy? Baptist? Is he a Catholic? Is
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  Speaker 2: he a Unitarian?
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  Speaker 1: What is he?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so he's a Baptist pastor. He graduated from a university,
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  Speaker 7: a Florida Baptist University in two thousand and four. He
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  Speaker 7: was then an associate pastor at a couple of different
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  Speaker 7: churches here in the area in Florida, and then he
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  Speaker 7: became a lead pastor here at the first Baptist in
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  Speaker 7: Palmetto back in twenty nineteen. So he's been a pastor
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  Speaker 7: for over two decades. He was actually replacing a pastor
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  Speaker 7: at this church who was there for over forty years. Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: the congregation and the members of that church we're hoping
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  Speaker 7: he would be the next long term pastor. But obviously
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  Speaker 7: that didn't end up being the case.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Usually I say to the guests, you're talking too slowly.
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  Speaker 2: You're talking I can't drink in everything you're saying. And
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  Speaker 2: in my world Jordan, Every fact is important.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did you say he's Baptist? Is that what you said?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yep, that's correct.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Lord for him not being Methodist. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a United Methodist. And after the United Methodist pastor
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  Speaker 2: that killed not one but two wives, I mean, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the Baptists are spinning like tops right now.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy, Jordan Littwiller has how many charges against him?
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  Speaker 2: How many charges have been leveled at Jonathan Edward owing?
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  Speaker 1: How many? Eighteen? Now?
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  Speaker 2: Does that include the child porn and the offenses on children?
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  Speaker 1: The sex attacks on children?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: So that includes everything. There's the initial charges, which were
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  Speaker 7: the four cases of possessing child pornography that ultimately led
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  Speaker 7: to fourteen additional charges which actually he was found pictured
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  Speaker 7: of abusing children on his phone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh on this a moment he videos himself molesting children.
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  Speaker 1: Did I get that right, Jordan?
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  Speaker 7: So, according to the probable cause affidavit, after the initial
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  Speaker 7: photos were found, the forensic scientist did another deep dive
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  Speaker 7: off his phone a couple days later, I believe it
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  Speaker 7: was four days later where they found six additional pictures,
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  Speaker 7: and then he was actually pictured in those images. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: allegedly abusing sexually abusing a two year old.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan, again, you're just like rattling this off. Did
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  Speaker 2: you hear what you just said? Allegations he sex abused
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  Speaker 2: a two year old? What is exactly the charge on
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  Speaker 2: the abuse of the two year old? Is it sodomy?
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  Speaker 2: Is it child rape? Is it some sort of a
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  Speaker 2: lester molestation? What is he accused of doing to a
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  Speaker 2: two year old child?
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  Speaker 7: So that's the charge of capital sexual of someone above
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  Speaker 7: the age of eighteen on someone who is less than twelve?
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  Speaker 2: And what is capital sex battery in the state of Florida?
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  Speaker 2: I can only assume that's full on rape or sodomy?
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  Speaker 1: Which one is it?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, he is accused of fully raping a two year old.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not often left speechless, but right now I am.
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  Speaker 2: John Bizarro is a raven CEO, former New Jersey State
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  Speaker 2: Police Commander, Internet Crimes against Children Task Force, and so
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  Speaker 2: much more.
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  Speaker 1: John, Do you ever, I mean, you and I have seen.
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  Speaker 2: It all, but every time I hear about a new case,
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  Speaker 2: I feel sick all over again. Do you ever just
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  Speaker 2: want to quit because it's too much? I think about it?
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  Speaker 2: But then I hear about somebody like Jonathan Edward Ewing,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel that I've got to keep going.
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  Speaker 9: You know, I'm not surprised Nancy anymore. I mean, really,
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  Speaker 9: the amount of people that we do this and look
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  Speaker 9: two year olds. Unfortunately, tour or the dark Web, that's
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  Speaker 9: where he was. There's so many platforms on actually how
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  Speaker 9: to really rape children on these platforms. So these are
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  Speaker 9: the places that he played at, right, that's where he learned,
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  Speaker 9: and generally, in my experience, there's going to be a
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  Speaker 9: lot more victims. It just did he just didn't wake
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  Speaker 9: up last week and decided to start this right, So,
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  Speaker 9: I think this has been going on for a while.
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  Speaker 9: So from an investigation standpoint, they're going to have to
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  Speaker 9: look at his whole career as a pastor and how
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  Speaker 9: many opportunities he had to be around children.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Karen Stark joining me, renowned psychologist, TV radio
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  Speaker 2: trauma expert.
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  Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com as Karen with a C.
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  Speaker 2: I always say in case you're trying to find her,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Karen Stark, when you first met me, I
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  Speaker 2: was getting my What was I getting at that point?
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  Speaker 2: An m a Masters of Law in criminal and Constitutional
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  Speaker 2: law at NYU, New York University. But prior to that,
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  Speaker 2: I was at Mercer University, a small Baptist university, which
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  Speaker 2: was all about love.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, this type of.
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  Speaker 2: A crime can brand a religion, or does it, because
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  Speaker 2: this guy's a Baptist preacher. But we really see it
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  Speaker 2: across the board. We see Catholic priests who molested choir
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  Speaker 2: boys and others. I told you about the United Methodist
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  Speaker 2: pastor that killed two wives. Hello, you couldn't catch him
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  Speaker 2: the first time. He had to kill another wife before
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  Speaker 2: you can catch him. And it goes.
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  Speaker 1: On and on and on.
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  Speaker 2: So no religion is immune to its leaders committing crimes,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems more shocking, and it shouldn't. It shouldn't,
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  Speaker 2: but it seems we're shocking because it's truly a wolf clothed,
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  Speaker 2: It cheeps clothing.
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  Speaker 8: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 10: An empty because the truth is, we think about religious
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  Speaker 10: leaders and we think that they're immune to this kind
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  Speaker 10: and it's just the opposite of what we think. Because
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  Speaker 10: someone in this position has access to children. They're usually
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  Speaker 10: a good standing in the community, that's not unusual at all,
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  Speaker 10: and they have access because they want to be around children,
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  Speaker 10: and they want people not to suspect them. So, just
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  Speaker 10: like you said, that's a great way for them to
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  Speaker 10: hide and get away with doing what they're doing. And
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  Speaker 10: I'm not the least bit shocked. Nobody should be, because
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  Speaker 10: that is the way that they operate.
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  Speaker 3: A search of the church and Elwing's home reveals several
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  Speaker 3: hidden cameras. Oh dear Lord in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: First, I've got this Baptist pastor out of Palmettow with
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  Speaker 2: alleged child porn on his phone. He idiot paid for
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  Speaker 2: it with crypto, and they reported him. And thank goodness,
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  Speaker 2: I've got Jordan Littwiller here, investigative reporter in anchor at
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  Speaker 2: WWSB that's ABC seven. You can also find him at
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  Speaker 2: Mysouncoast dot com. Thank goodness, I've got him to give
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  Speaker 2: me all the facts. But what I'm understanding from him
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  Speaker 2: right now and from the documents that I've read, is
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  Speaker 2: this all started with Crypto calling and reporting this pastor
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  Speaker 2: allegendly is buying child porn with Crypto.
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  Speaker 1: That leads to a search warrant and they get him.
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  Speaker 2: He hands over his phone, thank you very much, and
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  Speaker 2: they start searching it and they find the alleged child
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  Speaker 2: porn and it's actually him storing in a child porn video,
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  Speaker 2: so that leads me to the alleged rape of a
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  Speaker 2: two year old, not just the alleged rape of a
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  Speaker 2: two year old.
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  Speaker 1: He videoed it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan willerd thank goodness that you are fair and impartial.
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  Speaker 2: Could you please give me these facts in a nutshell
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  Speaker 2: one more time and don't go so fast.
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  Speaker 1: I have to dissect it. Okay, go ahead, Jordan, thank you.
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  Speaker 7: Sould you want me to start from very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: The beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm one of those people that need repetition, repetition,
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  Speaker 2: And did I mention repetition?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead? What happened? Yep?
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  Speaker 7: So I talked to Coinbas's Global intelligence office. They said
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  Speaker 7: that Jonathan Elwing made a purchase around ten dollars worth
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  Speaker 7: of cryptocurrency. He sent that money to an address who
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  Speaker 7: was flagged by the compliance team at coinbase. Once that
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  Speaker 7: purchase was verified, they knew that it was a purchase
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  Speaker 7: from an account who is known to have sold child
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  Speaker 7: pornography in the past. They flagged that purchase went to
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  Speaker 7: the Florida Department of Homeland Security, who then connected coinbase
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  Speaker 7: with local law enforcement. Local law enforcement was then able
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  Speaker 7: to carry out the search warrant and talk to Jonathan
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  Speaker 7: Elwing and one thing to include. Jonathan Elwing actually prefaced
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  Speaker 7: things by saying too local detectives that he would buy
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  Speaker 7: adult pornography. So he admitted to that before handing over
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  Speaker 7: his phone, and he said that sometimes the seller would
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  Speaker 7: include pictures of child pornography, but that there shouldn't be
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  Speaker 7: any on his phone at that time. He said he
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  Speaker 7: would always delete those images. Ultimately, that didn't end up
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  Speaker 7: being the case apparently, as the local law enforcement agencies
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  Speaker 7: did find images of child pornography on his phone. They
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  Speaker 7: then took him in for an interview.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Jordan, I need to understand what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when I wrote my first book, Ejection, and
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  Speaker 2: one of the chapters was about, as I called it,
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  Speaker 2: blood money, where people they're ghules they sell. For instance,
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  Speaker 2: some I remember on Helera Sindez I believe that was
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  Speaker 2: his name, would sell his hair and his toenails and
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  Speaker 2: his fingernails, scrapings from behind bars and actually make money.
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  Speaker 2: He is a serial killer. Okay, let's see. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: on Helen Sendez Ramirez. Anyway, and I started writing about
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  Speaker 2: people that sell ghoulish content from money, and I called
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  Speaker 2: it blood money. And I had like a two hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty believe it or not dollar little laptop and
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  Speaker 2: it was about the size of a spiral notebook that
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  Speaker 2: I would write used to research and write the book.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the book, I destroyed the computer.
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  Speaker 2: You know why, because it had looked up so much
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  Speaker 2: horrible content. I felt the computer was cursed. I know, crazy, right.
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  Speaker 5: But.
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  Speaker 2: I never had something like what he's saying happened. I've
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  Speaker 2: gone to certain websites and something else popped up, and
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  Speaker 2: I immediately closed down the website because it's totally infecting
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  Speaker 2: your computer with malware. But I've never heard of child
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  Speaker 2: porn just popping up.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what he's saying happened.
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  Speaker 7: So he's saying that the seller included it in the
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  Speaker 7: batch that he bought of adult pornography without his knowledge.
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  Speaker 7: He says that he would always delete those images whenever
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  Speaker 7: they were accidentally or however you want to put it
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  Speaker 7: included in that batch that he would purchase intentionally of
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  Speaker 7: adult pornography. So he says he never intentionally bought any
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  Speaker 7: child pornography or had any intentions of having that on
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  Speaker 7: his phone, but they would sometimes end up being on
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  Speaker 7: his phone because of something that happened on the seller's end.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Stacey Hana is joining me. Assistant State's Attorney out
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  Speaker 2: of Florida, specialty sex crimes and child abuse. Author of
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  Speaker 2: My Privates Are Private, Author of Genius with a Penis
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  Speaker 2: Don't touch. Author of the Bully at School is really
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  Speaker 2: uncul and you can find her. It's Stacy Hanowitz dot com. Stacy,
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  Speaker 2: I think this would be the perfect moment for you.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically to hear this.
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  Speaker 2: Listen this day from the Palm of You First Baptist
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  Speaker 2: Church YouTube channel.
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  Speaker 6: But Jesus doesn't say that forgiveness is found. Forgiveness of
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  Speaker 6: God is found by going to church. It's not found
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  Speaker 6: by following any living human. It's not found by following
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  Speaker 6: a certain but it is found by forgiveness of sin.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I would never be accused of being a saint.
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  Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. But I try, I really
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  Speaker 2: try every day to do the right thing. And I
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  Speaker 2: do know this as a failing Christian talking about Christ's forgiveness,
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: By buying child porn. Pretty sure that's not the road
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  Speaker 2: to heaven. But that said, the video you just saw
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  Speaker 2: is from the Palm View Baptist's first YouTube channel. Stacy Honowitz,
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  Speaker 2: I love that this guy there's.
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  Speaker 1: Anything to love about this case.
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  Speaker 2: I love that this guy says, oh, I was buying
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  Speaker 2: adult porn red flag and child porn just popped up. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I hear you, But where did the porn come from?
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  Speaker 2: That's of you raping a two year old child? Did
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  Speaker 2: that just pop up on your adult porn site? Help
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  Speaker 2: me out, Stacy Honowitz.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I don't think anybody would be. I'm certainly I'm
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  Speaker 8: not shocked. Thirty six years of doing this type of work,
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  Speaker 8: we see this all the time, and we do hear
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  Speaker 8: the defense of.
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  Speaker 3: The just popped up.
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  Speaker 8: Now when you're on video raping a child?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, whit white?
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  Speaker 2: Stacey Honowitz, you are a fountain of information. This is
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  Speaker 2: her specialty. I just wanted to see your face when
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  Speaker 2: you said this. Did you say this is a common defense?
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  Speaker 1: It just popped up?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, it's a common defense. I mean what else could
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  Speaker 8: they possibly say? They say it got sent to me accidentally.
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  Speaker 8: It just popped up. It came up on my computer.
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  Speaker 8: You know, when you couple it with what he's charged with,
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  Speaker 8: raping his own child, raping a child and then videotaping it, well,
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  Speaker 8: the likelihood is that he's swapping and trading his own tapes.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, the other guests that you had on
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  Speaker 8: could tell you that in these types of situations, that's
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  Speaker 8: what we see. When they are videotaping themselves, they're doing
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  Speaker 8: it for a reason. Number one, they're sick, and number
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  Speaker 8: two is they are involved in some kind of corno
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  Speaker 8: ring where they are trading their own porn for a
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  Speaker 8: certain amount of money. So that's what we're seeing here.
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  Speaker 8: And when we're talking about a capital case for your
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  Speaker 8: viewers and your listeners, we're talking about somebody that's raping
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  Speaker 8: someone orally, digitally or with his sexual organ and he's
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  Speaker 8: looking at life in prison. The victim is under the
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  Speaker 8: age of twelve and he's over the age of eighteen.
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  Speaker 8: That is a capital case in Florida. And so that's
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  Speaker 8: what you're seeing here. You're seeing a myriad of child
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  Speaker 8: porn coupled with what he's doing himself. So those charges
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  Speaker 8: and I can bet you dollars to donuts that once
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  Speaker 8: this investigation really gets cracking. You are going to see
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  Speaker 8: other victims come forward, or they're going to be able
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  Speaker 8: to try to identify other victims in the child.
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  Speaker 3: Porn forensic cell phone search finds photos of Elwing sexually
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  Speaker 3: battering a child, in all, a total of sixteen child
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  Speaker 3: pornography photos.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how did we get access to his phone?
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Listen search warrants and having been properly mirandized, Jonathan Elwing
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: agrees to speak with the investigator. Elwing gives the passcode
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: for his personal phone he took out of his pocket,
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: and as the investigator unlocks the phone and begins to look,
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Elwing says he sometimes purchases adult pornography from a
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: quote third party, and it's possible that child pornography would
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: be a part of the purchase without his knowledge. Elwing
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: says when he sees the child pornography images or videos,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: he deletes them. Elwing says he doesn't want to talk
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: about the adult material they looks at, So I guess.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: He's climbing a cell phone malfunction because they did not delete.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, there's more. Listen.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: The forensic search of Jonathan Elwing's cell phone reveals image
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: of him sexually battering a child, along with production and
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: possession of twelve images of child sexual abuse material. Elwing
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: admitted to purchasing adult pornography and claims he deletes any
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: child's sexual abuse material. That quote may get mixed in. However,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: investigators are able to extract hidden files from Elwing's personal
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: cell phone, and deputies say he's using a private photo
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: vault app to hide at least fourteen pictures of him
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: sexually abusing a two year old child.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, see, you know you can go to law school.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You can then get a fancy degree from.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Not just law school at Mercer, but NYU.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But you don't know anything about private photo vault apps.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to Jordan Littwiller joining us from WWSB.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Stacy Honowitz, veteran prosecutor of child sex crimes and child abuse,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Karen Start renounced psychologist John Pizerou, former New Jersey State
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Police commander of Crimes on Children. Now Anna Sonoda, child
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: sex abuse and grooming expert, author of Duck Duck Groom.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: You focus very often on online grooming. What can you
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: tell me about a private photo vault app?
• 22:06
  Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I'm having a hard time keeping my breakfast down.
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: This is such a devastating case because it highlights everything
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: we know to be true about grooming, which is that
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: predators are serial liars and they seek out environments where
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: they can access children. So in his role as a pastor,
• 22:26
  Speaker 11: he had hands on access to children, and he used
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: his personal cell phone to be a sleuth on the
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: dark web. These are not websites that normal, healthy, well
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: adjusted individuals are going to. This is the dark web.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: These are places that we rely on IP addresses and
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to be
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: scrolling to find predators like Jonathan so that we can
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: take them down. And we need to mend not only
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: coinbase in this case, but also the local law enforcement
• 23:05
  Speaker 11: in Florida. They have done an outstanding job getting the
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: tip and then following up and doing their job so
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: that we can put this predator away.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said. I wish I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: could hear it all over again.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, Karen, start with me, You know Karen Stark or
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: now on TV radio trauma expert and psychologist Karen. I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: would like to tell myself, well, this child was two.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Years old when this happened. They're not going to remember.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: They are. They are going to remember.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And even if they lock that memory away and suppress it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it will re emerge, maybe not on their a conscious level,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but in the way they raise their children, if they
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: can even have a normal relationship with another human, if
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: they can and love and be loved normally, if they
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know how you raise your children like I raise
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: my children.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: As a victim of violent crime.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I suspect everybody I see a molester or a killer
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: behind every tree. You know what I went through when
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: the children just try to go to Scout camp.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Right that said two years old.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: We think the.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Victim, one of them, anyway, was two years old. Will
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: they have a memory of getting raped by this earth?
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: Allegedly, it won't be a clear memory the way it
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: would be if they were older and anty, but you're right,
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: it will definitely affect them. It will be there and
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: they're unconscious if they don't actually have images, and it
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: will affect them for the rest of their life.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And I want to add that the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: Reason that this man is taking these pictures of himself
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: of using this little girl is not just because he
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: wants to change it. But there is no doubt in
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: my mind that he keeps looking at it over and
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: over again because he enjoys it. This is the only
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: way that he could get real sexual pleasure.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: He won't stop.
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: There's no doubt he has done this before that other
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: children have suffered, and he would have continued if he
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: didn't think that he was getting away with something and
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: got caught on the dark web.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: You know, to John Pizzorro about this vault this, how
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: does he say it a private photo vault app to
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: hide the photos? That shows me he didn't delete them.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: He actually downloaded and got this app the same way
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of us would get various apps, you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like Prime video app, Netflix app, you name it app.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: He had to download this.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I have a vault app for photos and then hide
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the child point in it. And I just want to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: think about this, Karen Start. I have memories at age two,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: for sure. I have distinct memories that can date back
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to age two, and they're very clear. I remember them
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: very well. So and that was just a nondescript image
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: a memory. So I find it difficult to believe that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: this child, and I'm sure there are others allegedly. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: believe the child will have a distinct memory of being.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Raped by the preacher John Pisorro. What is this app?
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued by a private photo vault app.
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: So all these offenders never get rid of their photos.
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: They hold on to them against the sexual gratification, over
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: and over again to relive that experience. So a vault
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: app basically will look like calculator. So you know, if
• 27:02
  Speaker 9: you see two calculators on someone's phone, it's not because
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: they love math. It's because that there's another way for
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: them to hold that information. So that's where people will
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: download that because again they're hiding it. So every activity
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: he's taken, from going to the dark web to actually
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: looking at ways to hold that information, I'm sure you'll
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: find even more digital devices that he stored it and
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: held it from SD cards, anything he can do to
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: hold that information so he can access it anytime he wants.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: A deacon for the church says I keep thinking this
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: is a really bad dream, and adding we are no
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: longer associated with it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're not. Guys.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: We are talking about a Baptist minister now charged with
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: child pornography and child sex offenses. To Jordan Littweller, joining
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: US reporter anchor WWSB, that's ABC seven News. He's also
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: at Mysncoast dot com. Jordan, if you know the answer,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: don't say it, But do you know who the alleged
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: victims are?
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: So we haven't been able to confirm who the alleged
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: victims are given the age and the nature of the crimes.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: The witness list.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: On the Manatee County Clerk's office is completely redacted, so
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: none of that information is out there. The probable cause
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: after David as well, redacts all of the names and
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: anybody else who has been interviewed regarding this case.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm just thinking that through because isn't it true?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Of course he has minor children. I don't know if
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: they're the victims or not. But when you look at
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: the background of these child porn images and videos he
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: shot off himself, raping children allegedly and other acts, you
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: can tell from the background where the incident took place,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like isn't at his home which would indicate as one
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: of his own children?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe, but we.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Also know and correct me if I'm wrong, you're the expert.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Weren't there multiple cameras found in and around the church
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and isn't the church where he preached associated with a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Christian school for children.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's correct.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: That was one of the concerns that the Manatee County
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Sheriff's Office voiced in their initial press conference.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: There is a school right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: By the church, and at the time of the arrest,
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: the school, or at the time of the press conference rather,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: school wasn't in sessions. So all of the cameras were
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: just found in his church office and at his residence.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: And going back to what you said about the alleged
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: abuse happening in his house, the probable cause affidavit did
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: confirm that the pictures they cross referenced the pictures and
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: the bed sheets in the pictures with the bed sheets
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: in his master bedroom and addition, firm where they were
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: the same blue bed sheets. So that does lead you
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: to believe that the abuse did happen in his master bedroom.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Guys, I've got to hand it to Coenbase, who has
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just helped the Manatee County Sheriff's Office take an alleged
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: child predator from behind the pulpit and off the streets.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: That's a whole another can of worms. Let me throw
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: this out there to Stacy Honowitz, veteran States Crimes and
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Child abuse prosecutor and author of My Privates Are Private
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: genius with the penis. Don't touch the bully at school
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: is really uncool. She's as Stacyhonowitz dot com Stacy, this
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: is a whole plethora peddor's box, so to speak, of
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: potential victims, because we now know that there are multiple
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: secret cameras placed in and around the church and I
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: guess the school.
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know quite often in these
• 30:58
  Speaker 8: types of cases, that's what you see. We've got the cameras,
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: We've got many victims, and now you have to go
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: through the arduous task of trying to figure out who
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: those victims are. I mean, just because it happened in
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: his bedroom that that's a great thing that they're able
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: to narrow that down the bed sheets and everything like that.
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: But now we have to figure out if it's not
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: his own kids, who was brought to his house as
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: a pastor, did he have people over, did he have groups?
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: But you are starting to narrow it down, but this
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: becomes a very large task for law enforcement to try
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: to figure out how many victims and who the victims are.
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: It's not a surprise, Nancy. I wish I could tell
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: you that this is a one time offshoot happening. We
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: see this more and more, and yes, we have to
• 31:42
  Speaker 8: give a big shout out to coinbase for turning this.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: And in the old days it was Walgreens in any
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: place you tip your film to be developed. If they
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: saw photographs, then they reported it to law enforcement. Now
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: we're so advanced with technology, I'm with all of these
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: horrific websites and the dark web that we have to
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: try to figure out ways to be able to get
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: these guys off. This is definitely a great start and
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: we do have to give them kudos for turning in
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: this information because now you're going to see just what
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: this person was all about. Again, to all of your
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: other guests that have been talking, you know, in prosecuting
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: these cases, these guys are master manipulators. So putting aside
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: the looking and viewing child porn in an effort to
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: get kids ones that are older the age of two,
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: because at too they can't speak, they're not going to
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: be able to fight back, They're not going to be
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: able to say leave me alone.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: The constant.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: Education of trying to educate kids older about grooming tactics
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: and getting too close. And just because it's a priest
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: or just because it's someone who you trust, doesn't mean
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: that you actually can trust them, because in most cases,
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: the likelihood of seeing the suspect.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Is the person that you did trust the most. John
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Bizerro joining us raven Ceo. John, I've got pre meditation up.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: The tail pipe.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I think you know what that means, because not only
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: do we have him downloading a super secret photo vault app,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: he tried to smart everyone by paying for child porn
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: via crypto currency. I wouldn't even as if I have
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: time to look at my husband's bank account.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Never how I.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't even think it would dawn on me to try
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to find out if David is making secret purchases on
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: a cryptocurrency account. That would not Okay, now that I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: thought about it, I'm going to go look for cryptocurrency.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But that said, this is pre meditation out the ying Yang.
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, consciousness of guilt. He knew what he was doing
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: to start with. I mean he was taking every parameter. Look,
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: anytime you go on the dark web and you're trying
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: to hide your IP address, you're doing cryptocurrency you're trying
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: to hide your bank information, so everything d vault app
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: he's trying to hide what he actually has, so he's
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: taking steps to make sure that he doesn't get caught.
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: And generally speaking, I mean lucky. I know he had said, like,
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: unquote it was because I had adult porn. There's three
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: porn sites, so why that doesn't make sense? Right? So
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: and most likely if you are on tour and you're
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: using cryptocurrency to purchase something, it's illegal.
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: Investigators are still working the case against Jonathan ell Wing,
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: and prosecutors say they could go for the death penalty
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: under a Florida law which allows the death penalty sentence
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: for sexual battery of a child under the age of twelve.
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: In Florida, juries only need eight of twelve jurors to
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: agree on the death penalty, as opposed to unanimous juries
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: in other parts of the country.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Jordan Littwell are joining US investigative reporter and anchor WWSBABC seven. Jordan,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: have you ever been to the zoo? I have, yes, Okay,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: have you been to the snake house?
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: I have a lot a big better snake I've been there.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I hate them, but you notice that they're always behind
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: glass so some idiot doesn't try to like reach out
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and grab one. That's how I feel every time I
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: look at this guy at the pulpit preaching.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: It's like the snake house. I am looking.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: At it, but it also makes me sick looking at him.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: The sound we're playing the video of him preaching gives
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: all Christians, all of us struggling Christians, a black eye.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: But what about his family? What are they enduring?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Listen?
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: The former pastor's wife, Crystal, has been devastated by the charges.
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: Manatee County Sheriff's Office information officer Randy Warren tells The
• 35:50
  Speaker 12: Daily Mail. I don't know how much she may be
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: suspected something was wrong, but everyone involved here has said
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: how much she was surprised and devastated. Warren also says,
• 35:59
  Speaker 12: with everything we've collected in the search for additional images,
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: we're going to have a final number of up to
• 36:04
  Speaker 12: twenty five charges. We've got production of child pornography, capital
• 36:08
  Speaker 12: sexual battery, and lout and lascivious molestation.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, the reality is Stacy Hanos very briefly, every
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: time you transmit or send a child porn image, that's
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: another felony. Every time you transmit it, every time you
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: download it. Much let's create it as this guy's accused
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: of doing. So, it could very well be more than
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: twenty five charges if they want to parse it that
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: way correct.
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: Each one is its own count anytime, any If you
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: have fifteen pictures and you're possessing fifteen pictures of child porn,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: it could be fifteen counts if you're transmitting it transmitted
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: fifteen times. Just like you said, each one is its
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: own individual count.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And a Sonoda joining us child sex Whob's grooming expert
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and author of dut Groom. You can't let your guard
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: down as a parent. You can't let your guard down.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: If it's the pastor, or the youth minister, or the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: guy selling doughnuts at Krispy Krame or the grocery store
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: check out guy that gives your children a set of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: crayons every time you come there. You can't let your
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: guard down. And this guy proves it well.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Nancy.
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: It's easy to get caught up in our fear and
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: are worry about everybody, because, let's be honest, sexual predators
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: are everywhere. I recommend that we show up and that
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: we look up and we're observing the individuals who are
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: coming in contact with our kids. That churches who talk
• 37:35
  Speaker 11: and denominations who talk about the potential for child sexual
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: abuse are less likely to have instances of child sexual abuse.
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: Are there programs to train the leadership within your church?
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: Are there programs to educate parents? What about educating kids
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: on an age appropriate level about what grooming and child
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: sexual abuse might look like Every individual, then a church
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: setting should be co teaching and co leading. There is
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: no reason for individuals to be alone with a minor
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: within a religious context.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Karen start very quickly, a lot of speculation. Did the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: wife know? I don't know if she knew or not,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: or suspected if she did, suspect or did know?
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Rot in hell woman. If she didn't know, it.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Could be because he so masterfully hid his acts. He
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: hid it from a whole congregation. So you know, when
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you love someone, you very often have on blinders. You
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: don't see tell tale signs.
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: And that happens to a lot, and you hear a
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: lot where the wife is saying I would never have known,
• 38:45
  Speaker 10: and all of it is intentional. This monster made sure
• 38:50
  Speaker 10: that he had this kind of job. Nancy, this is
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: what he wanted so he could hide behind it. He
• 38:55
  Speaker 10: had a family.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised.
• 38:57
  Speaker 10: I'm sure none of your guests are, priest that he
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: looked like he was somebody trustworthy and a great character
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: because he was hiding Masterfleet a monster.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And Jordan Littweller, I got so many more questions for you.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Jordan joining us from WWSB, did you tell me earlier
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that this guy came from Hill's Song the Very Troubled Congregation?
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it did look like that was in his history.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: I think as an associate pastor there, I believe maybe
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: that was his second church that he was at after
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: graduating from a Baptist University in two thousand and four.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I believe there will be more charges and we will
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: all meet again as it relates to former pastor now
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: child porn defendant Jonathan Edward Elwing. But if you have
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: had contact with this guy's very important. If you know
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: or think you know any information regarding this case, even
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: a potential whichness or victim, please call Mantatee County Crime
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Stoppers eight six six six three four eight four seven seven.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: We can only stop child predators if we can catch them.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you to our guest, for being with us, Nancy
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Grace signing off goodbye friend,